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Wilmer Flores

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 05 2013 09:43 PM

If you adopted Wilmer Flores, please come out and take a bow. Reportedly en route to NYC (and third base?!?)

MFS62 Aug 05 2013 10:04 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If you adopted Wilmer Flores, please come out and take a bow. Reportedly en route to NYC (and third base?!?) Glad to hear it. Thanks. Later

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 07:14 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Of course. I guess there's going to be work enough, as even moving Young to second, Satin is the righthanded thirbaseman and the righthanded firstbaseman.

Centerfield Aug 06 2013 07:21 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Awesome. This must be the NY third-baseman about to make his debut that all the press has been buzzing about.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 07:47 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

According to Jay Horwitz, the first Met since Randy Bobb in 1970 to debut (on the team, if not on the field) on his birthday.

metirish Aug 06 2013 07:55 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

some guy with this, Rob Cast ?@_robcast 6m Re: Flores, only 32 players ever made ML debut on bday, including Yanks 3B David Adams. Only four had a hit, only 1 homered (Aderholt, '39). Rob Cast ?@_robcast 5m Wilmer Flores will likely become the second #Met to ever make his ML debut on his birthday. RHP John Pacella was the first in 1977. Details

batmagadanleadoff Aug 06 2013 11:00 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

I would've named this thread Flowers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 06 2013 11:27 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Yes that'd be real clever. How about we play guess the number? 0 4 8 15 16 17 19 24 34 36 38 43 55 58 60-65 67-72 74 76-99 00

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 06 2013 11:28 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

I'm getting a 00 vibe.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2013 11:29 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

I'll guess 17, but I'd like it to be 8 or 24.

d'Kong76 Aug 06 2013 11:30 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

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Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2013 11:33 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

d'Kong76 Aug 06 2013 11:35 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

batmagadanleadoff Aug 06 2013 11:41 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

dinosaur jesus Aug 06 2013 11:42 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Happy birthday, Wilmer.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 11:57 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Four is the correct answer.

Ceetar Aug 06 2013 12:00 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

I'd go with #1, but he was 4 in Vegas. edit: see?

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 12:01 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Wilmer Four-es.

Ceetar Aug 06 2013 12:03 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Wilmer Four-es. Four Eyes (Four Es? no, only if he's a butcher) can be his nickname.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2013 12:15 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

I think his nickname should be "Mrs. Flintstone".

G-Fafif Aug 06 2013 12:37 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Per @Mets: Wilmer Flores will wear #4 & if he plays tonight will join RHP John Pacella as only players in Mets history to make MLB debut on birthday. No word on his hat size.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 06 2013 12:39 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Wilmer Four-es. Let's hope not, although it's slightly better than E-six Snead.

G-Fafif Aug 06 2013 12:41 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Mets third baseman wearing No. 4 immediately summons to mind Jose Moreno, who played there three times, as opposed to, I don't know, Gold Glove winner/120-RBI slugger Robin Ventura, who played there three years.

Zvon Aug 06 2013 12:48 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Wilmer Flores will wear #4 & if he plays tonight will join RHP John Pacella as only players in Mets history to make MLB debut on birthday. Then he must play tonight! Lets start an internet campaign and make some Met history!

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 01:52 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

I'm so very proud. If there's anything I am consistently wrong at, it's guessing number assignments. That said, I'm definitely an advocate of not assigning the same number twice in one year.

Frayed Knot Aug 06 2013 02:17 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

What I'm most interesting in seeing (aside from him getting 3 XBHs of course) is how slow/not slow he is. There have been numerous notes via the internet prospect world over the last few years talking about his TOTAL lack of foot-speed; like tagging him with 25-30 rating (on the scouts 20-80 scale) which is basically like saying he's an honorary Molina brother - something that seemed way out of proportion for a thin-ish (listed at 6' 3"/190) teen/near-teen (turns 22 today).

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 03:42 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Frayed Knot Aug 06 2013 04:14 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Par-Nell to the Dee-Ell is the corresponding move.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 05:30 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

First pitch shows a quick bat.

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 07:11 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

How about that .000 fielding percentage?

Edgy MD Aug 06 2013 07:29 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Like his swing, too. Pitch recognition, not so much so far.

Zvon Aug 07 2013 01:53 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

JCL, I believe that nickname will only stick if used in context. Wilmer "Flintstone" Flores.

Edgy MD Aug 07 2013 02:03 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

As long as he hits like Bam-Bam Rubble.

HahnSolo Aug 07 2013 02:04 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Frayed Knot wrote: Par-Nell to the Dee-Ell is the corresponding move. Brian Stokes, and his Schaefer crown, breathe a sigh of relief...for now.

Frayed Knot Aug 07 2013 02:55 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

An overview of Flores's baseball life to date -- http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/8/7 ... -york-mets

Benjamin Grimm Aug 07 2013 02:59 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

I find myself hoping that he can be next year's first baseman.

Edgy MD Aug 07 2013 07:47 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Certainly going to be a lot of interesting decisions, but, you know, may the best men win.

Frayed Knot Aug 07 2013 07:51 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I find myself hoping that he can be next year's first baseman. Ideally he could find a position elsewhere as whether he'll ever develop the power you'd like at 1B is a lingering question.

Edgy MD Aug 07 2013 07:56 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Got the ol' fielding percentage up to .833, too.

MFS62 Aug 07 2013 09:25 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I find myself hoping that he can be next year's first baseman. Ideally he could find a position elsewhere as whether he'll ever develop the power you'd like at 1B is a lingering question. I wouldn't mind if he turns into a righty hitting Wade Boggs. Later

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2013 05:19 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

I was just thinking first base for 2014, and then let the chips fall where they may. It sounds like Wilmer may very well be able to provide about 20 homers per season, which is about what we got from Keith (of course, Keith also provided a Gold Glove) and more than we'd get from Magadan. A first baseman with Carlos Delgado power is great, but not necessary.

metirish Aug 08 2013 06:23 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

I like his swing, seems to really grip that bat. I have noticed a disproportionate about of bile directed at Wilmer on Twitterfrom Mets fans. WTF is that about?, he's just come up.

smg58 Aug 08 2013 06:27 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

He's a righty Daniel Murphy right now, but pitch recognition is the key to whether he'll be more than that. The one thing he hasn't done in the minors is draw walks.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 06:57 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

smg58 wrote: ... but pitch recognition is the key to whether he'll be more than that. The one thing he hasn't done in the minors is draw walks. Or hit for a lot of power* - and that's why ideally I'd like to see him somewhere other than 1st. And, yeah, having him there for 2014 certainly doesn't mean he's anchored there permanently but I think it becomes harder as time goes on to move a guy to a tougher spot on the defensive spectrum once he starts out on the easier side, plus it would be nice if we saw SOME kind of resurgence (or, hell, even a surgence) from either Davis or Duda so Flores isn't forced there simple by lack of a better option. * There seems to be a divide amongst those who follow this sort of stuff about if/how-much pop he'll develop as time goes on. HR power is often the last thing to develop and, although Met fans have been hearing about this guy for so long and some have had their perspective skewed by the early success of Harper & Trout, it bears remembering that 22 is NOT old for a prospect. Just for comparison, Trout turned 22 yesterday so he's actually one day younger than Flores and he has not 3 RBI but 169, a RoY, and probably should have an MVP - and Harper is 14 months younger than that. But, again, folks have to remember how freakish those two have been at their ages.

Ceetar Aug 08 2013 07:09 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Well Duda did hit well when he was here and Davis has been hitting for a month now. Duda's only problem is a defensive one and really based on how much defense is really worth as compared to offense. And if having a guy like Lagares in CF mitigates that. Even if Davis hits like this the rest of the year, like he did last year, I'm not really sure what sort of confidence you go into next year with. It's a tricky situation, and if Flores AND Satin both seem viable at the major league level the rest of the way I'd bet pretty hard on probably at least one, if not two, of Flores,Satin,Davis and Duda getting traded in the offseason.

metirish Aug 08 2013 07:12 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Interesting last night when Gary mentioned Duda getting optioned to LV he and Keith then talked about the organization changing philosophy, or at least in their opinions that might well be the case.

Ceetar Aug 08 2013 07:17 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

metirish wrote: Interesting last night when Gary mentioned Duda getting optioned to LV he and Keith then talked about the organization changing philosophy, or at least in their opinions that might well be the case. Just talking I think, not inside knowledge. Duda seems to fit the organizational mold to me.. I'm not really sure why they sent him down, if they do it for more than a week or two seems a dumb way to burn his last option. I think all it is is they seem committed to this Young/Lagares/Byrd outfield. I personally don't think that's worth keeping Kirk down or burning Duda's option, but then I'm not real sold on Young or Byrd being part of the future. I'd rather bet on Kirk or Duda, but I guess it's not my call? I haven't heard from Sandy in ages on the topic.

metirish Aug 08 2013 07:21 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Right , speculating no doubt. Duda fits the mould but young seems to have opened eyes here.Obviously different types of players.

Ceetar Aug 08 2013 07:24 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

metirish wrote: Right , speculating no doubt. Duda fits the mould but young seems to have opened eyes here.Obviously different types of players. I guess I think the Mets need the patient-SLG of Duda more than the speedy type of Young. maybe that's where this organizational philosophy shift plays in.

metsmarathon Aug 08 2013 07:26 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

it could be that they don't want to upset the mix while they try to work out a trade for one of their surplus corner outfielders or first basemen.

Ceetar Aug 08 2013 07:28 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

metsmarathon wrote: it could be that they don't want to upset the mix while they try to work out a trade for one of their surplus corner outfielders or first basemen. that too. Where are our #waiverwire leaks? get on that Rubin, what else are you good for?

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 07:38 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

metirish wrote: Interesting last night when Gary mentioned Duda getting optioned to LV he and Keith then talked about the organization changing philosophy, or at least in their opinions that might well be the case. It's not so much that they're 'changing their philosophy' as it is just altering the bluepriint on the fly. Duda was part of their plan but then he got hurt and the OF, at least for right now, is working well all around. That doesn't mean Lucas will never again be in their plans, just that between the current alignment working and Davis (sort of*) hitting again there's no room for him at the moment and therefore no reason to try to force-fit him back into the line-up. * y'know, except for those home-run things that he used to hit on occasion

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 07:51 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

For all intensive porpoises, the 2013 season is over. Effectively, we are in Spring Training 2014. So, with that in mind... 1. Play EY2 at shortstop and see how he does. He played second base. He's incredibly athletic. Maybe he'll surprise you. 2. Recall Duda. Play him every day in LF (now vacated by EY2). 3. Play Ike Davis every day. He's had 2 bad half seasons, one good half season. See how he does this last half season (or what's left of it). If he thrives, it's a tough decision. If he sucks, I think you have your answer. 4. Byrd should have been traded at the deadline. Now it makes no sense to play him anymore. Every at-bat Byrd takes over the younger guys is a wasted opportunity. He's your bat off the bench. 5. Play Flores at second, move Murphy to 3rd base. We know Murph can handle both positions. No need to worry about screwing him up anymore. We've seen what Murphy can do he's no longer a mystery. But if Flores can handle second base, the pressure to perform offensively is diminished. Flores should play every day, even after Wright returns. 6. Apologize to all pitchers for playing Young at SS, Flores at 2B and Duda in LF. (And if you are reading my post carefully, for playing no one in RF) Encourage them to develop a nasty strikeout pitch. Tell them it will be good for them in the long run. 7. Promote D'Arnaud. Let's see what he's got. 8. Continue to play Lagares every day. 9. Win World Series in 14 months.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2013 08:13 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

If Duda or Davis does anything to establish some trade value between now and the end of the season, then they should be traded. Davis has spent too much time sucking for me to ever have confidence enough in him to give him the regular job. They have to find someone else. And I'm not at all impressed with Duda. He's not awful, but he's not good enough to be a regular player on a contending team.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 08:19 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

There's no way Eric Young is a SS

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 08:22 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Don't worry. He was riding the same wagon for Jordany at shortstop eight weeks ago. More importantly, did our house counsel just use "For all intensive purposes..."?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 08 2013 08:25 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

I think we'll see D'Arnaud soon, and if Terry requires veteran leadershippiness, he plays Buckshot at first base. The rest of CF's post is all crazy-like. I don't think Flores will hit enough not to tempt the FO to seek more powa at first base so maybe 2B is for him.

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 08:29 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Don't worry. He was riding the same wagon for Jordany at shortstop eight weeks ago. More importantly, did our house counsel just use "For all intensive purposes..."? No. I said "intensive porpoises".

Ceetar Aug 08 2013 08:29 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Don't worry. He was riding the same wagon for Jordany at shortstop eight weeks ago. More importantly, did our house counsel just use "For all intensive purposes..."? no "intensive porpoises"

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 08:34 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Frayed Knot wrote: There's no way Eric Young is a SS How do we know that? I would have bet the house that Murphy would never have the grace to handle second base either.

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 08:36 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If Duda or Davis does anything to establish some trade value between now and the end of the season, then they should be traded. Davis has spent too much time sucking for me to ever have confidence enough in him to give him the regular job. They have to find someone else. And I'm not at all impressed with Duda. He's not awful, but he's not good enough to be a regular player on a contending team. I have no problem with trading either or both, but the only way you build up their trade value is to play them and hope they perform. Duda ain't raisin' no stock at AAA.

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 08:39 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The rest of CF's post is all crazy-like. Probably. But this is the time to go crazy no? Remember, I suggested reactivating Gooden to pitch in that doubleheader in Washington.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 08:51 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Centerfield wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Don't worry. He was riding the same wagon for Jordany at shortstop eight weeks ago. More importantly, did our house counsel just use "For all intensive purposes..."? No. I said "intensive porpoises". Oh, thank Gawd. It's always comforting to know I'm the stupid one.

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 09:37 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

As an editor, you must see stuff like this all the time no? "For all intensive purposes..." "He is a real pre-Madonna." My favorite one was a young associate years back who wrote that our adversary had been guilty of a "premature evacuation". I suggested that he find different wording.

Ceetar Aug 08 2013 09:47 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Centerfield wrote: As an editor, you must see stuff like this all the time no? "For all intensive purposes..." "He is a real pre-Madonna." My favorite one was a young associate years back who wrote that our adversary had been guilty of a "premature evacuation". I suggested that he find different wording. I'm sure we're all guilty of one or two here and there. You hear a phrase (and who speaks clearly? I know I mumble with the best of them) and you like it and you reuse it. Suddenly you have to write it (And you write more in the Internet age) and I find myself a lot of times googling words and phrases for things like this, but some probably sneak through. Wrote 'for granted' yesterday and couldn't decide if it should've been one word or not.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 09:48 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Not doing so much editing any more. The eyes are going anyhow. I caught the first half of your phrase and missed the pun that redeemed it. I hated editors (and professors) that would tag the first half of a seemingly errant turn of phrase and miss the whole point of it. Look at me now. LOOK AT ME NOW!!

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 09:49 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Ceetar wrote: 'm sure we're all guilty of one or two here and there. You hear a phrase (and who speaks clearly? I know I mumble with the best of them) and you like it and you reuse it. Suddenly you have to write it (And you write more in the Internet age) and I find myself a lot of times googling words and phrases for things like this, but some probably sneak through. Wrote 'for granted' yesterday and couldn't decide if it should've been one word or not. Yabbut, if anybody should know "for all intents and purposes," it's a lawyer.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 08 2013 10:17 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

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metsmarathon Aug 08 2013 10:37 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Ceetar wrote: Centerfield wrote: As an editor, you must see stuff like this all the time no? "For all intensive purposes..." "He is a real pre-Madonna." My favorite one was a young associate years back who wrote that our adversary had been guilty of a "premature evacuation". I suggested that he find different wording. I'm sure we're all guilty of one or two here and there. You hear a phrase (and who speaks clearly? I know I mumble with the best of them) and you like it and you reuse it. Suddenly you have to write it (And you write more in the Internet age) and I find myself a lot of times googling words and phrases for things like this, but some probably sneak through. Wrote 'for granted' yesterday and couldn't decide if it should've been one word or not. as a grammar jerk, i try to always get those things right. typographical accuracy and capitalization can all go straight to hell, however.

Vic Sage Aug 08 2013 11:42 AM Re: Wilmer Flores Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 08 2013 11:50 AM

I love it when somebody mispronounces a word in conversation that they've only read before and clearly haven't ever heard spoken aloud. I did this myself once, when i was in college. I was talking to a noted author who i was escorting around campus and we're talking about something or other, and i used the word "hyperbole", but pronounced it "hyper-bowl". He guffawed, and said, to ease my embarrassment, "don't worry; i do that all the time." But i bet he didn't. I'm over it now... but I still wake up in a cold sweat over that one, every once in a while. As to CF's earlier post, i applaud the attitude, and agree with the overall point, though i disagree in some of the details. While i have no confidence in Tejada as our SS of the present much less the future, I can't see EY at SS. It's not a position you want to sacrifice D for O, especially in a pitcher's park in the post-steroid era, where each run has greater impact. And Duda has not proven to me he does anything particularly well, aside from a decent OB%, and is atrocious in the OF, so i don't see anybody losing their job to him, though i'd rather see him in RF at this point than Byrd, who we clearly should've traded. Moot now, i know, but Marlon will be a FA coming off a career year, and he'll sign with the team willing to give him the best multi-year deal... and it better not be us (see HAIRSTON, SCOTT). In the meantime, he's taking ABs from prospects we have to find out about. Ike? who knows? I have no confidence in him ever being a reliable offensive player, despite the slow-footed powerless bat with a high OB% he's become over the past month. But i'd hate to see Flores pushed over to 1B just yet. You want to push him into the toughest defensive position he can reasonably handle. If that's 2B, great. Whatever his bat is, it'll play better at 2b than 1b. If he HAS to be moved, then ok. But we don't know that yet. If Flores can play 2b at least as well as Murphy (i.e., about league average), then Murphy becomes trade bait. D'anaud, yes. tomorrow please. the lineup i'd like to see for the rest of the season: Young LF Lagares CF Murphy 3b Davis 1b D'Anaud C Duda RF Flores 2b Tejada SS Next year, try to put a package together from among players like Murphy, Duda, Buck and Davis, and pitchers Neise, Gee, Hefner or Mejia (and/or a similar pitching prospect, if necessary), for a solid LHed cleanup hitter for either 1b or RF. We won't get a superstar for those kinds of players, but maybe a Markakis, or Kendrys Morales, or Mark Trumbo type veteran, or an Erick Hosmer, Justin Smoak, JJ Reddick type younger guy with upside, or even lesser deals for Mike Morse, Adam Lind, Colby Rasmus types as potentially useful parts. A SS might be nice, too.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 11:44 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

There's no way Eric Young is a SS How do we know that? I would have bet the house that Murphy would never have the grace to handle second base either. Because as Eisenberg/Zuckerberg snidely said in 'Social Network': "If you could have invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook". IOW, if anyone thought Eric Young could have played SS they would have at least tried him there. But he never played an inning at SS even in the minors, and if you can think of anyone who started learning SS at age 29 I'd like to hear about him. Plus he doesn't have the arm for it.

Vic Sage Aug 08 2013 11:52 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

yeah, i think its the arm more than anything. It's pretty weak in LF, inadequate in CF, and just barely adequate at 2B.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 11:56 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Vic Sage wrote: Young LF Lagares CF Murphy 3b Davis 1b D'Anaud C Duda RF Flores 2b Tejada SS \ I'll be platooning all over the place. Flores at first, second, and third, Murphy at third, and second. Duda in left and right. Young at second and left (got to get him some time at second). Satin... um...

Zvon Aug 08 2013 12:02 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Lets just move Wright to first and get it over with. Wilma gets third. Young second. Go get Cho Cho. Get a SS. Bingo bango:114 win season in 2014.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 12:03 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Um...

Vic Sage Aug 08 2013 12:06 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

yes, to platooning extensively. No, to moving Wright to 1B until such time as his arm falls off.

Zvon Aug 08 2013 12:06 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

...this won't be the first time I've been told I'm insane.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2013 12:08 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Zvon wrote: Lets just move Wright to first and get it over with. Wilma gets third. Why would you prefer Flores at third and Wright at first to the other way around?

Zvon Aug 08 2013 12:14 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Zvon wrote: Lets just move Wright to first and get it over with. Wilma gets third. Why would you prefer Flores at third and Wright at first to the other way around? I'm not really serious. At least for 2014. But the thought of Wright going to first has creeped into my thinking this past week.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 12:41 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Some Met fans, and not a small number of non-Met fans (cough Francesa), have been trying to move Wright over to 1st base since about 20 minutes after he reached the big leagues. I have no earthly idea why that would be considered a good move.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 12:50 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Well, you know, Flores has had two games, and one big hit. Makes all the sense in the world to move a future Hall of Famer and diminish his on-field value. Where do I sign up? Oh, at the Palace of Crazy? OK!

Zvon Aug 08 2013 01:00 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

I was looking over where Flores played most of his games in the minors the other day. Why was he moved from short never to go back?

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 01:23 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Because he was found to be slower than the last day of school, so the reports say.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 01:35 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Zvon wrote: I was looking over where Flores played most of his games in the minors the other day. Why was he moved from short never to go back? For the same reason that virtually everyone who tries SS gets moved away. If you were to make a list of the RH-throwing position players in the majors who were once short-stops in amateur ball or lower minor leagues, the percentages might reach 40%

Zvon Aug 08 2013 01:38 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Because he was found to be slower than the last day of school. That slow? Oy. That logjam at first is becoming a joke. What we want is Ike the way we thought he would be. And shit, we'd take last years Ike at this point. We have to figure out that first base situation. Flores there? If he really rakes hes gonna have to go somewhere. There's our weakest link. While looking at baseball cards I happened to notice some pics of Young playing second. So thats also been creeping in to my peripheral visions.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 01:58 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

He may well end up at first, and has played there this season, but I don't think it's a commitment the team has to make today. Everybody in baseball is gravitating toward first --- all non-pitchers anyhow --- and the job of coaches and trainers and team physicians is to keep that from happening as long as possible. Anybody that retires without having landed there is a small victory.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 08 2013 02:08 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Everybody in baseball is gravitating toward first --- all non-pitchers anyhow --- and the job of coaches and trainers and team physicians is to keep that from happening as long as possible. Anybody that retires without having landed there is a small victory. Interesting thought...

Vic Sage Aug 08 2013 02:11 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

1B is the black hole that sucks a player's youthful speed, mobility and arm strength into its ebony maw.

MFS62 Aug 08 2013 03:22 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: Everybody in baseball is gravitating toward first --- all non-pitchers anyhow --- and the job of coaches and trainers and team physicians is to keep that from happening as long as possible. Anybody that retires without having landed there is a small victory. No. It would be a great loss to the greatness of baseball. It would mean they became a DH. Later

Centerfield Aug 08 2013 04:16 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Because he was found to be slower than the last day of school. That slow? Oy. That logjam at first is becoming a joke. What we want is Ike the way we thought he would be. And shit, we'd take last years Ike at this point. We have to figure out that first base situation. Flores there? If he really rakes hes gonna have to go somewhere. There's our weakest link. While looking at baseball cards I happened to notice some pics of Young playing second. So thats also been creeping in to my peripheral visions. He jumps a lot.

Ashie62 Aug 08 2013 04:22 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

What about keeping Flores at 3B and moving Wright's contract. Just kidding.. The scouts were correct on Wilmer's running speed.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 04:58 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

I'm not sure where the logjam that is becoming a joke is. If indeed the team has a surfeit of talent, that' s a darned good thing. If there's been a conclusive portrait of Flores at top speed in his three games thus far, I've missed it.

Edgy MD Aug 08 2013 05:03 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

For what it's worth, he has been playing hobbled.

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2013 06:47 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

He's certainly not fast, but he's also not AS slow as some led me to believe. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, I had heard '25' speed from some sources but I thought that had to be absurd and it was. With 50 representing ML average on the 20-80 scale, 60 & 40 would translate to somewhat above/below average, 70 and 30 to well above/below average, and 80 & 20 to Billy Hamilton and Mo Vaughn, Flores at worst seems like 35/40 now who could very well fall to 30/35 as he gets older. Olerud was slower than him, as is Miggy Cabrera, most catchers, a number of 1st basemen, and everyone named Molina.

duan Aug 09 2013 03:39 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

he nearly beat out an infield hit the other night, and I thought did so at a relatively spritely clip. It didn't look like one where I thought "how is he not there" Lateral movement is something you probably don't get to see an enormous amount of quickly at third, because, so many of the plays are so quick.

Vic Sage Aug 09 2013 08:22 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Speed and quickness are 2 entirely different talents. Brooks Robinson was a glacier running the bases but his reaction time and first step was so quick at 3B that nothing could get by him. Now, i don't know yet whether Mr. Flowers has either speed OR quickness, but for an infielder, quickness is the more important.

duan Aug 09 2013 09:04 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

absolutely. I just meant that even in the games he's had, it's probably hard to see the lateral movement that's necessary for 2nd while he's playing at 3rd. Suppose if we start "doing the shift" we'll get a better sense of it.

Ashie62 Aug 09 2013 04:11 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not sure where the logjam that is becoming a joke is. If indeed the team has A surfeit of talent, that' s a darned good thing. If there's been a conclusive portrait of Flores at top speed in his three games thus far, I've missed it. You can remove Nieuwenhuis and Duda from any logjam. Their Met careers seem truly spent.

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2013 02:59 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Flores certainly seems to have a strong enough arm for 3rd base.

Zvon Aug 11 2013 03:18 PM Re: Wilmer Flores

Kids got good hands, great arm, and is slow as shit. Lazy slow. When they took him from short they should have made him a catcher.

metirish Aug 13 2013 08:21 AM Re: Wilmer Flores

Collins is going to play Flores at 2nd sometime this week, when asked about him playing the outfield Collins said "No,no,no", on 1st base ....“We have too many guys there,” Collins said. Hope he can play 2nd because at least for this season his options are limited.