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IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Days

batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2013 10:27 AM

The New York Mets are likely to shut down right-hander Matt Harvey when he reaches the 200-inning plateau next month, reports Anthony DiComo of MLB.com. __________________ Harvey likely to be shut down after 200 innings By Anthony DiComo / MLB.com | 8/13/2013 3:10 A.M. ET excerpt: LOS ANGELES -- At the start of the year, many players avoid making hard statistical goals for the season. Matt Harvey does not. One of Harvey's aims heading into his first full big league season was to pitch 200 innings, which he might have done over two levels last year had the Mets not shut him down in mid-September. This year, 200 innings sits near the upper limit of what the Mets will allow Harvey to achieve. Though the organization has not revealed any hard numbers regarding a shutdown of its young ace, the working assumption is that they will not allow him to exceed last year's total of 169 1/3 innings by much more than 30. Assuming Harvey continues to average seven innings per start, as he has up to this point, he will hit the 200-inning mark around the second week of September. That would prompt the Mets to shut him down with as many as three full weeks left in the season -- a fate they could have delayed by roughly a week had Jeremy Hefner not suffered an elbow injury, forcing them to whittle their six-man rotation down to five. Harvey understands all that, and will ultimately accept it. But he also feels there is value in lasting through the end of September. "Obviously, I'm not going to be happy to miss any starts, but if it's a week, I'm not going to look at it like I didn't finish a full season," Harvey said. The only ways Harvey might last deeper would be if he pitched some clunkers, if the Mets skipped him once or twice in the rotation, or if they removed him prematurely from successful starts. None of those scenarios are ideal. So Harvey, who actually prefers the five-man rotation because it helps him maintain his normal routine, may have to accept an early shutdown for the second consecutive season. His silver lining? Finishing around 200 innings would all but guarantee that he will have no workload restrictions in 2014. "I try and go nine every start," Harvey said. "So obviously if they start adding up and they decide it's time to shut it down, that's their call. I'm never going to want to give up the ball or not go out there, but I like the fact that it's a five-man rotation. It's been like that forever for a reason, and if they decide that I've had enough, then I've had enough." http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... m&c_id=nym

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2013 11:13 AM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

In a related story, the Ford Agency is requesting Harvey limit his fashion-spreads to 6 pages.

Lefty Specialist Aug 13 2013 12:11 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

"I'll be fine, guys. I have a supermodel to comfort me."

Ceetar Aug 13 2013 12:30 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Though the organization has not revealed any hard numbers regarding a shutdown of its young ace, the working assumption is that they will not allow him to exceed last year's total of 169 1/3 innings by much more than 30. We have no idea, so let's pick a number for the hell of it. Put up a poll. I say he finished with 215 even.

Ashie62 Aug 13 2013 04:26 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

I knew this was coming..total bullshit

G-Fafif Aug 13 2013 04:47 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Eric Young, Jr. – LF Juan Lagares – CF Daniel Murphy – 2B Marlon Byrd – RF Josh Satin – 1B Justin Turner – 3B John Buck – C Omar Quintanilla – SS Matt Harvey – RHP

smg58 Aug 13 2013 05:28 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Ashie62 wrote: I knew this was coming..total bullshit Well there is some statistical evidence backing up the idea that pitchers who exceed the previous season high in IP by more than 35 are at an increased risk of regression or an injury. And it's not like the Mets are going to be playing in their home city's first playoff series in 75 years, but the front office isn't worried because of course they'll get back next season and the fans can see the team's best player in the playoffs then.

Ceetar Aug 13 2013 05:29 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

smg58 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: I knew this was coming..total bullshit Well there is some statistical evidence backing up the idea that pitchers who exceed the previous season high in IP by more than 35 are at an increased risk of regression or an injury. And it's not like the Mets are going to be playing in their home city's first playoff series in 75 years, but the front office isn't worried because of course they'll get back next season and the fans can see the team's best player in the playoffs then. no there's not.

smg58 Aug 13 2013 06:36 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Let me rephrase that: there are people who claim that crossing an innings threshold is dangerous for young arms, and there is a considerable amount of debate on the subject. I found this interesting (if long) article on the subject: [url]http://scoresheetwiz.tripod.com/id155.html

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 06:41 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

What you said first-- the 30-plus-innings thing-- is the "Verducci Effect," and it's been more or less debunked. The Verducci Effect is a case of speculation mixed with a really poor understanding of the scientific method, and that is a dangerous combination. It gives the illusion of knowledge, and that's more dangerous than simply not knowing something. It's tempting to want to grab onto the Verducci explanation, especially when a young pitcher with so much promise suffers such a large setback, because a wrong explanation feels better than no explanation. The article you cite seems to agree. In the meantime, I found no strong indication of a magical 30+ inning jump or age 23 threshold, but more pitchers need to be studied. A younger pitcher’s greater fragility may be off-set by his greater natural progress and/or his greater ability to recover from injury. This entire theory of identifying likely abused pitchers by a large jump in innings may be exaggerated.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2013 06:51 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

G-Fafif wrote: Eric Young, Jr. – LF Juan Lagares – CF Daniel Murphy – 2B Marlon Byrd – RF Josh Satin – 1B Justin Turner – 3B John Buck – C Omar Quintanilla – SS Gruesome. Just gruesome. If someone told me in March that this is what the Mets regular starting lineup (more or less) would be, I wouldn't think the team capable of winning 50 games. Byrd's been a surprise, but back in March, I woulda said that the 3-4-5 middle of that order wouldn't hit 20 HR's combined.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 07:13 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Well, this "gruesome" lineup (or some variation of it) is a hair above league average in runs scored for the year and has them four games over .500 since the end of June.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2013 07:18 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Frayed Knot wrote: Well, this "gruesome" lineup (or some variation of it) is a hair above league average in runs scored for the year and has them four games over .500 since the end of June. I know. I thought of that as I wrote the post. Let's see if they can maintain their somewhat under .500 pace without Wright's star season contributions.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 13 2013 07:24 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

"Home games mean dining at Grauman's Chinese".

metirish Aug 13 2013 08:12 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Wouldn't Ryu know it, Young flies out and Lagares hits one out.....1 zip

Zvon Aug 13 2013 08:13 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

themetfairy Aug 13 2013 08:14 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Obi Juan Lagares - Our only hope!

Edgy MD Aug 13 2013 08:15 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

A fat-faced Dodger lefty ace coming from 3/4 brings me back to 1981.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 08:16 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Zvon Aug 13 2013 08:18 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Whoa^ that scared me. Harvey has a run before he even takes the mound. That's a switch. OE: that ones not as scary.

Fman99 Aug 13 2013 08:19 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Zvon wrote: Nice.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 08:21 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Zvon wrote: Whoa^ that scared me. Harvey has a run before he even takes the mound. That's a switch. OE: that ones not as scary. Yeah. Was going more for "Sad Danny" than "Spooky, Glowering Danny."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 08:26 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Zvon Aug 13 2013 08:27 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Fman99 wrote: Nice. ty. Harvey looks good in the first.

Fman99 Aug 13 2013 08:30 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Gary and Keith gushing in their love for Chavez Ravine. Makes me want very much to attend a game there someday.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 08:35 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

lol.Serious, mandatory bunting drill today.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2013 08:39 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

I wanna drive onto the infield and make out with a French exchange student there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 08:42 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Fuggin' Turner.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 08:45 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

For a guy who resembles, say, Pitbull's free-safety brother, O sure looked graceful turning the DP/Cuban-dodging there.

Fman99 Aug 13 2013 08:51 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I wanna drive onto the infield and make out with a French exchange student there. I love that movie.

Edgy MD Aug 13 2013 09:02 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

I'm glad the top of Murphy's glove is stickier tonight.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:03 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

lol. Scully don't crack me up like Keith. They should remake that Popeye movie and Mattingly should play Popeye. Satin will take it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2013 09:07 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Fman99 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I wanna drive onto the infield and make out with a French exchange student there. I love that movie. Mellow off, Lane.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 09:07 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Keith: Lot of first basemen in Dodger history, like all-time Gold Glove teamer Wes Par-- Gary: TRAVESTY! TRAVESTY! Keith: Wes Parke-- Gary: TRAVESTY!

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:10 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

So are we really gonna make Matt sweat it out with one run? Come-on Mets.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 09:12 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Zvon wrote: So are we really gonna make Matt sweat it out with one run? Why not, that's one more than he usually gets.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:19 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Frayed Knot wrote: Zvon wrote: So are we really gonna make Matt sweat it out with one run? Why not, that's one more than he usually gets. This is true. This might not be Harveys night. He looks tired early. Making good pitches to Gonzo though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 09:22 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

This crowd is loud. Zac Efron must be making the rounds!

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:23 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Ha! Let him swing 3-0. Someone sucks over there.

Edgy MD Aug 13 2013 09:23 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Holy crap on that GiDP. I thought he'd throw a curve there, but he came after the guy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 13 2013 09:23 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Now that was Harvelous.

Fman99 Aug 13 2013 09:24 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

I get that Puig is the bees' knees and all, but sitting 3-0 with Harvey all over the place, if I'm Donnie Doucheball, I want him taking a pitch or two there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 09:24 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 09:25 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Yasiel with two on/one out was in prime spot to do some damage but opting to swing on 3-and-0 led him to run aground on his own personal ... .... Bay of Puigs.

Nymr83 Aug 13 2013 09:26 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Fman99 wrote: I get that Puig is the bees' knees and all, but sitting 3-0 with Harvey all over the place, if I'm Donnie Doucheball, I want him taking a pitch or two there. that was a GIFT to the Mets there. You can't swing 3-0 there.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 09:29 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 13 2013 09:31 PM

Nymr83 wrote: Fman99 wrote: I get that Puig is the bees' knees and all, but sitting 3-0 with Harvey all over the place, if I'm Donnie Doucheball, I want him taking a pitch or two there. that was a GIFT to the Mets there. You can't swing 3-0 there. Yeah, but for all the hitting this guy has done so far he is far from a polished ballplayer. He missed a squeeze play the other day *as the runner!!* which, considering the sign to the runner is a verbal one from the 3rd base coach, it's quite a trick. He's also been known to, in a quote from his manager, "run until he's tagged out", and the next cut-off man he hits from the OF just might be his first. IOW, maybe the take sign WAS ON.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 09:30 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

That said, Dude has excellent taste in goofy uniform numbers. And gah, another 1-3 putout. For fuck's sake, people-- we literally can't get it out of the infield.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 09:35 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Among major-league starting-hurlingfolk, Harvey has the fastest average velocity on a fastball, slider AND curve this year. Yeah, but do you want a fast curveball?

Fman99 Aug 13 2013 09:37 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Dang.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 09:39 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Nick Fucking Punto. Again. And Uribe scores because of Young's handling there-- fumbling with it in the corner, then missing the cutoff by ten feet.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:39 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

There had to be a play at the plate there. There was plenty of time. Young screwed up there.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:40 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Now does anyone here think we are gonna score some more runs? *yawn

Zvon Aug 13 2013 09:58 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Lets make this one of those early outs for Harvey. Save some innings.

Fman99 Aug 13 2013 09:59 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Dang again. Midnight, down 4-1, I am three drinks in and that's it for me. Nighty night kids. Be sure to grope your loved ones at the completion of this contest.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 10:00 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Grrrrrrrrreat!

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 10:04 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

The sucky part about all this is that it's not like we're getting beat by Ramirez, Gonzalez, Ethier, and Crawford. It's by the likes of Ellis, Ellis, Uribe, and Punto.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 10:17 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Tied in the 11th, Pittsburgh played the 5 infielders shift when the Cards got runners on 1st & 3rd with one out -- and the Pirates turned the 6-9-3 DP and they're going to the 12th.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:21 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Frayed Knot wrote: Tied in the 11th, Pittsburgh played the 5 infielders shift when the Cards got runners on 1st & 3rd with one out -- and the Pirates turned the 6-9-3 DP and they're going to the 12th. Kevins gotta be quicker to scoop you.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:29 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

I disagree. Lagaras bunting is bad there. A waste. And he basically bunts with a full swing chopper.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 10:32 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

This offense makes me I wish I were Both Eyes Blind.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:44 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Jansens losing it...

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:45 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Now Turners losing it...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 10:45 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Turner had it?

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:46 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Aw fk.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:49 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Bucky makes it interesting. Ike could earn alotta points here.

Frayed Knot Aug 13 2013 10:51 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Fuck Ryu!

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:52 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Ike, you coulda been a contender. Very blah game. Harvey wasn't into it, Mets weren't into it, we weren't into it. And oh yea, the Dodgers are rollin' rollin' rollin'.

Zvon Aug 13 2013 10:52 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 13 2013 10:53 PM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

Ha DOU ken. Sigh.

Ashie62 Aug 14 2013 01:40 AM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

The Mets lost but have the look of a team on the way up into next year..

apmorris Aug 14 2013 10:10 AM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

http://instagram.com/p/c-6FfgnBcc/ sat behind kareem

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 14 2013 10:38 AM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

That's not Kareem, that's Roger Murdoch, the co-pilot. Seriously, he must've totally blocked your view.

Edgy MD Aug 14 2013 11:39 AM Re: IGT 8/13/13 NYM @ LAD The Harvelous Tour: The Final Day

[list:1pq7wtwk]>> Sit down, Kareem! >> He is sitting down![/list:u:1pq7wtwk] Strange game. Harvey seemed to be pitching to contact last game, and it really worked for him. This time, not so much. Second-class hitters were splitting infielders all evening as Harvey seemed to be conserving his best pitches for the better hitters. But, you know, get the guy some runs already.