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Harvelous Gets MRI

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2013 01:12 PM

More deets tk. Tests positive for douchiness?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2013 01:35 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Who the hell needs an ulnar collateral ligament anyway.

seawolf17 Aug 26 2013 01:38 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

FUCKIN HELL

metsguyinmichigan Aug 26 2013 01:39 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Noooooooooooooo! Why is it that we can't keep pitchers healthy? Or does everyone have these problems?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 26 2013 01:44 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Ugh.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2013 01:45 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

CBS Sports wrote: According to WFAN's Mike Francesa, Mets ace Matt Harvey is headed to the disabled list with a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament. Such an injury, of course, often leads to Tommy John surgery. Marc Carig of Newsday originally reported that Harvey underwent an MRI on Monday morning. Harvey, age 24, has pitched to a 2.27 ERA (159 ERA+), 0.931 WHIP and 6.16 K/BB ratio in this, his first full season at the major-league level. He was of course the NL starting pitcher for All-Star Game at Citi Field in July. The Mets for some time have planned to shut down Harvey at around the 200-inning mark (he's presently at 178 1/3). Now, though, losing Harvey for merely the rest of 2013 is probably a best-case scenario.According to WFAN's Mike Francesa, Mets ace Matt Harvey is headed to the disabled list with a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament. Such an injury, of course, often leads to Tommy John surgery. Marc Carig of Newsday originally reported that Harvey underwent an MRI on Monday morning. Harvey, age 24, has pitched to a 2.27 ERA (159 ERA+), 0.931 WHIP and 6.16 K/BB ratio in this, his first full season at the major-league level. He was of course the NL starting pitcher for All-Star Game at Citi Field in July. The Mets for some time have planned to shut down Harvey at around the 200-inning mark (he's presently at 178 1/3). Now, though, losing Harvey for merely the rest of 2013 is probably a best-case scenario.

Zvon Aug 26 2013 01:50 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

are you fuckin kiddin me? Gdamn. Now this sucks.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 26 2013 01:50 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Was it Ashie who used to say that Citi Field was built on an Indian burial ground? I'm starting to wonder.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2013 01:52 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I thought it was built on the Shea Stadium parking lot.

G-Fafif Aug 26 2013 01:54 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

The strangest part is that Mike Francesa had a scoop.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2013 01:54 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

While this certainly sounds bad, I'm waiting to hear this confirmed by somebody other than Mike Francesa.

Nymr83 Aug 26 2013 01:56 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

This is about the worst news Mets fans could have heard. Pretty much a final "fuck you" to cap off another lost season only this one threatens to de-rail the franchise for the next few years as well. Put Wheeler and Niese in bubble-wrap until spring training, we're done here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2013 01:59 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

G-Fafif wrote: The strangest part is that Mike Francesa had a scoop. He's like Hovvey's best buddy.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 02:04 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

While this certainly sounds bad, I'm waiting to hear this confirmed by somebody other than Mike Francesa. ESPN cites a "team source": Matt Harvey has tear in elbow New York Mets starter Matt Harvey has a partial UCL tear in his elbow and is headed for the disabled list, according to a team source. It is not certain if Harvey will have to go undergo Tommy John surgery, the source said. Harvey was 9-5 in 2013 with a 2.27 ERA and 191 strikeouts, good for fourth in the league. He started July's All-Star Game for the National League. Information from ESPNNewYork.com's Adam Rubin was used in this report. http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... ource-says _________ That's what I first thought after the initial shock of the injury: Mike Francesca?

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 02:08 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Gwreck Aug 26 2013 02:13 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Whatever. Just give him the Tommy John surgery now and let's be done with it. Stephen Strasburg had it in 2010. Missed 2011, came back stronger 2012 by which time the Nationals had also assembled a quality ballclub and they went to the playoffs. Unless the Mets were going to be signing tons of free agents, we weren't going to be ready to compete in 2014 anyway. But we had best be ready for 2015 when Harvey returns. That's plenty of time for Fred and Sandy to get their act together.

Lefty Specialist Aug 26 2013 02:14 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Poop.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 26 2013 02:21 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The amazing things is that Tom's only big injury with the Mets was his hip. right? Bring back Rube Walker and Tom McKenna.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2013 02:24 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

word is they will determine treatment over coming weeks. My feeling is, that's the risk with young pitchers. They break their elbows and your hearts.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 02:29 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

... and the harder they throw, the greater the risk.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 02:29 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

The Baseball Gods have been unmercifully cruel to the Mets in recent years, haven't they?

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2013 02:32 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

The bad thing about injured elbows is that when that ligament (completely) tears the only solution is replacement surgery and the rehab time from it is lengthy. The good thing about injured elbows is that they're not injured shoulders. Injuries to those are much more complicated and the recovery less certain and predictable.

Centerfield Aug 26 2013 02:32 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Have it now. Be ready for the stretch drive in September next year.

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2013 02:41 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: G-Fafif wrote: The strangest part is that Mike Francesa had a scoop. He's like Hovvey's best buddy. Mushnick has pointed out on a number of occasions that originally (like right about a year ago now - he noted the "anniversary" just the other day) Francesa was trashing Harvey as just another over-hyped figment of the Mets and NYM fan's imagination, making his 'I noticed him first' campaign nothing more than a classic example of selective memory.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 26 2013 02:45 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

USA Today wrote: The New York Mets were dealt a blow today. Matt Harvey has a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament and was placed on the disabled list. "It was the last thing I expected," said Harvey, who had an MRI on his right elbow this morning. "I was shocked at the news." There is a chance this injury could lead to Tommy John surgery. But Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said that won't be known until the swelling goes down.

metirish Aug 26 2013 02:51 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Have the surgery and see you in 2015.....it sucks but it seems inevitable.

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2013 02:55 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Some tears are more minor than others. There's no need to rush into anything just yet.

Edgy MD Aug 26 2013 03:31 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Let's focus on the positive. ... Let me know if you find anything.

Fman99 Aug 26 2013 03:47 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Fuck

Edgy MD Aug 26 2013 03:59 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Dating supermodels, posing in the buff for a magazine spread, tearing your UCL. Should anybody be surprised that one should follow the others sure as fall follows spring and summer? It's such an obvious downfall that I'd expect it from Cole Hamels. (Still processing.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 26 2013 04:14 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: Dating supermodels, posing in the buff for a magazine spread, tearing your UCL. Should anybody be surprised that one should follow the others sure as fall follows spring and summer? It's such an obvious downfall that I'd expect it from Cole Hamels. (Still processing.) /makes clicky sound

Centerfield Aug 26 2013 04:28 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Aren't ligaments the type of things that don't fix themselves? I would think he has to have the surgery at some point or another. I would want him to have it sooner rather than later.

d'Kong76 Aug 26 2013 04:36 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Lucky for you, fatso, I have a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament. Otherwise, I'd punch you right in the mouth.

Ashie62 Aug 26 2013 04:55 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Was it Ashie who used to say that Citi Field was built on an Indian burial ground? I'm starting to wonder. Yes..and it is...

Ashie62 Aug 26 2013 04:57 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I'm thinking of Tim Leary and Paul Wilson..

metirish Aug 26 2013 05:15 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Mark Mulder who had the surgery with Altchek(didn't work) has been tweeting https://twitter.com/markmulder20 Mark Mulder ?@markmulder20 Everyone thinks good mechanics prevent arm injury. Doesn't matter people. Either you get lucky or you don't.

Ashie62 Aug 26 2013 05:25 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off...

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2013 06:30 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Ashie62 wrote: After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off... You're welcome to at any time.

d'Kong76 Aug 26 2013 06:44 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Ashie62 wrote: After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off... See ya tomorrow

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 07:03 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off... You're welcome to at any time. Ha! I'm LMAO. Ha Ha. Guffaw. ROFL.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 07:04 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Kong76 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off... See ya tomorrow

d'Kong76 Aug 26 2013 07:09 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

You're as hooked as any of us are, so save your yucks at our expense wise guy.

Frayed Knot Aug 26 2013 07:16 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Centerfield wrote: Aren't ligaments the type of things that don't fix themselves? I would think he has to have the surgery at some point or another. I would want him to have it sooner rather than later. They don't fix themselves as far as self-"sewing"-up the torn part. But partial tears cause pain and swelling which can be dealt with rest, strengthening, etc., and if there's enough of it still un-torn to function maybe immediate cutting isn't the best move. Obviously it all depends on the amount of the tear which is why they're going to wait until the swelling goes down before making a more specific determination and a recommendation. And while it certainly seems to all us internet doctors that the move is to have it ASAP, if for no other reason than to not have it hanging over his head for the foreseeable future, TJ surgery is still not a fool-proof procedure that you want to do just for the hell of it.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 26 2013 07:20 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Kong76 wrote: You're as hooked as any of us are, so save your yucks at our expense wise guy. I don't deny that, but I don't think you get this exchange.

themetfairy Aug 26 2013 07:21 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

d'Arnaud shows some arm!

Ashie62 Aug 26 2013 07:31 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off... You're welcome to at any time. Im just upset...like when Namath used to blow out a knee.. I aint going anywhere A long offseason will salve the wound..

Edgy MD Aug 26 2013 09:04 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

themetfairy wrote: d'Arnaud shows some arm! Wrong thread, maybe, but any news of a healthy arm is welcome here.

metsguyinmichigan Aug 26 2013 09:10 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Is Santana an option for next season? His deal is up, right? Assuming Harvey is gone, is there harm to an incentive-laden deal for Johan -- assuming he's take it?

Edgy MD Aug 26 2013 09:18 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Well, the harm is that there may be smarter options available for the money.

Ceetar Aug 26 2013 09:35 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: Well, the harm is that there may be smarter options available for the money. not sure there are actually 'smart' ways to spend money on pitching arms. If we could get Santana renewed on a Marcumesque deal? (Or a Chris Youngesque one?) Absolutely sign me up. Or, you know, Mike Pelfrey. Those are probably your two main options. filler types or injury-addled high-reward guys. Or just whatever sticks and lots of offense, but they're a ways away from that.

MFS62 Aug 26 2013 09:51 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

His interim replacement from within the organization? I don't think it will be one of the top prospects because they are on innings limits, too. I'd imagine there will be a lot of pitchers available as waiver pickups by the end of August. But if they don't go that route, my dark horse candidate from within is Giancarlo Alvarado, an ex- Mexican League (and everywhere else) veteran now at Las Vegas: http://www.baseballamerica.com/statisti ... ards/41721 Later

MFS62 Aug 27 2013 07:45 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: Let's focus on the positive. Let me know if you find anything. Part of a Jim Bowden article on ESPN. Hidden benefit If you are looking for one silver lining in all of this, it’s this: Had the Mets finished strong in September, they might have been tempted to go make a rash free-agent signing this winter. Assuming Harvey has TJ, it will remove any temptation the Mets might have had to go for broke in 2014. And that’s good, because this year’s free-agent class — led by Robinson Cano, Jacoby Ellsbury and Shin-Soo Choo — is somewhat lackluster. Harvey’s injury will allow the Mets to take a step back and let some of their youngsters develop, and they can really get a feel for the likes of d’Arnaud, Flores, Ike Davis and Juan Lagares, to see if those are the kind of young position players they can built around. This is obviously a tough blow for the Mets’ franchise. But when you consider the high success rate of Tommy John surgery and the Mets’ long-term outlook, this isn’t a major setback in terms of World Series potential. If Harvey does the smart thing and has surgery it will certainly take a toll on the Mets’ win total in 2014, but it won’t seriously hinder their hopes for contending in 2015, which was the most realistic scenario all along. Later

Ceetar Aug 27 2013 07:47 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

wait for next year next year isn't a 'hidden bonus'

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 07:56 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

This whole thing sucks, but it's no reason to write off 2014 yet.

Ceetar Aug 27 2013 07:59 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This whole thing sucks, but it's no reason to write off 2014 yet. Bowden is making a thinly veiled 'Mets are broke and can't spend enough to win without Harvey' comment there.

Lefty Specialist Aug 27 2013 08:16 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

There's crap on the FA market anyway. 2014 isn't an ideal time to spend.

metirish Aug 27 2013 08:16 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Jim Bowden sure knows about making off season FA signings......and skimming money.... It's quite possible the Mets don't write off 2014 and they go out and get some players and make a push for a winning season.....I hate to think 2015(even though I mentioned it yesterday).. that's a long way away from 2006 our last post season....fuck.

Centerfield Aug 27 2013 08:21 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I've thought about this, and Bowden is absolutely right. Next year was going to be, at best, 1985. Let Matt get the surgery, not rush back, and be at full strength for 2015. It is much better than finding out about this in spring training or April of next year, when it would have compromised his 2015 season. 2015 is when we are going to be ready anyway. Next year will be the year we get back into contention, take the next step forward, but we're not going to win it all next year. Next year is the year we find out about Lagares, D'Arnaud, Wilmer Flores and Jennry Mejia. Next year we have to make a final call on Davis, Duda and Murphy. Next year Wheeler will win 20 games. Syndergaard and Montero will get called up, get knocked around a bit, then figure it out toward the end of the season. Next year is the year people are going to say "Oh my god, the Mets have so much pitching. Can you believe what they'll be like next year when they get Harvey back?" The only downside is that we'll burn another year of Sugarpants' prime, but it should be a fun year anyway, even if they fall a bit short at the end. Then in the winter of 2014, the Mets will have so much money they will be able to spend at will (having not wasted bundles of money on Shin Soo Choo and Jacoby Ellsbury). They'll know who's going to work, who won't, use that money to fill in the holes. Then in 2015, we'll find out that Harvey is completely recovered, and now throws 115 with his new elbow. The new look Mets will make the National League their bitches. At the trading deadline, every other team in baseball will sell because they don't want to face the Mets in the playoffs. They'll institute a mercy rule and call the regular season in August. In September, they'll ask for volunteers to face the Mets in the post-season, but because no one wants to, they'll be forced to pull names from a hat. The Mets will take the field waiting for their opponents to show up, with Harvey pacing on the mound glaring at his opponent like the way Darth Maul glared at Obi Wan after killing Qui Gon Jin. It will be the shortest post-season ever. Series will last a game or two, after which the other team will withdraw sending a note that says "That's enough. We give up." One week after Labor Day, we'll all skip work to attend the ticker tape parade.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 08:22 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Feh. As usual, Met fans are getting too wrapped up in one guy (Reyes, Dickey, Harvey... etc). It's a tough break for sure but I'm already sick of the whole "there goes next year" booshit already. Winning a championship is always difficult.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 08:45 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Lotsa optimists here, that's for sure. I don't know where this originated from that it's supposed to be a foregone conclusion that the Mets will contend in 2014, 2015 at the latest (probably the same Orwellian Mets forces that once brainwashed the media into regarding Rey Ordonez as Ozzie Smith like). It might happen, and I'll surely be rooting for it. But this team has no offense, none. For whatever reasons, David Wright, their best hitter, hasn't been the 30 HR perennial MVP candidate that he used to be since Shea Stadium was torn down, and that'll be six seasons ago in 2014. Wright'll be on the wrong side of 30 next year, his durability perhaps in decline. The team's pinning their hopes on a bunch of pitchers in their early 20's --the shakiest of baseball foundations -- most of whom are still in the minors. There's no apparent hitting star on the immediate horizon now that d'Arnaud is here. It's just as likely that the team will suck for years and years more. I don't think the Mets are any closer to putting a strong team on the field than they were three or four years ago.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 09:03 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Ceetar wrote: wait for next year next year isn't a 'hidden bonus' Agreed highly. Benjamin Grimm wrote: This whole thing sucks, but it's no reason to write off 2014 yet. Reading this thread, I see some believed 2014 was hopeless before Harvey ever felt a twinge.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 09:09 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Let's Calm Down About Matt Harvey's Elbow By Jonah Keri on August 27, 2013 10:30 AM ET Matt Harvey is headed to the disabled list with a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, wiping out the rest of this season, throwing next season into doubt, and likely derailing the Mets' near-term hopes for contention. The injury derailed Harvey's first full season in the big leagues, one that established him as one of the best pitchers in the game. If resting the elbow doesn't cut it, Harvey would face the prospect of Tommy John surgery, which might keep him off a major league mound until 2015. Given how good Harvey had become so quickly, how rough the past few years have been for the Mets, and what Harvey's well-being means for one of the most downtrodden teams in baseball, it's tough to see this as anything other than a crushing blow for everyone involved. Except it doesn't have to be that way. This isn't going to be another bury-the-Mets opus in which we catalog everything from Bernie Madoff to Jason Bay to the sad end of Johan Santana's career. This is a story of optimism, silver linings, and the miracles of medical science, about how sometimes shit happens, then everyone gets over it. Contrary to some (misguided) Internet ramblings, the Mets didn't do anything wrong here. When something this dramatic happens, the natural impulse is to find a scapegoat. One Twitter naysayer wondered why the Mets would let Harvey throw 110 or more pitches in one-third of his starts this year, given the Mets have been out of the playoff race since, well, Opening Day, more or less. There were less-specific complaints (that I'm not going to link to) about the Mets being at fault … somehow. If you dig deep enough, you can find a few warning signs. GM Sandy Alderson noted that Harvey had felt forearm pain "for some time now." As ESPN Stats & Info notes, Harvey threw the hardest fastball, the hardest slider, and the hardest curveball of any qualified starting pitcher this year; the velocity on all three of those pitches had fallen in August, according to the excellent pitcher analysis site Brooks Baseball. Also per Brooks, Harvey's vertical release point dipped this month. A sore forearm, diminished velocity, and lower release points can be red flags when it comes to potential injuries. But if every pitcher shut it down every time he felt a twinge, lost a tick off his fastball, or dropped his arm by an inch or two, professional baseball would cease to exist. Harvey had posted a 2.97 ERA with a 27-to-2 strikeout-to-walk rate over five starts in August. Nine out of 26 starts with 110-plus pitches thrown is hardly excessive for a pitcher who'd thrown well enough to post double-digit complete games this season if the Mets had let him. With a cap of roughly 200 to 205 innings this year (210-215 at the absolute most), the Mets planned to shut Harvey down after four or five more starts anyway. There's a balance to be struck between responsibly managing a young pitcher's workload and letting him develop stamina, work deep into games, and figure out how to get out of jams. The Mets did fine on that front. But no matter how judicious a team might be, no matter how much of a physical specimen he might be, shit just happens. Mark Mulder ? @markmulder20 Everyone thinks good mechanics prevent arm injury. Doesn't matter people. Either you get lucky or you don't. 4:04 PM - 26 Aug 2013 150 Retweets 51 favorites Harvey might be best off getting the surgery over with sooner rather than later. We're not going to go too far in playing doctor here. Every pitcher is different, and we don't know how "partially" torn Harvey's UCL is. Still, just about any pitcher you can think of who had this injury has required Tommy John surgery at some point. Most pitchers, like the Dodgers' Chad Billingsley, won't make it more than a few months before being forced to go under the knife. Someone like Adam Wainwright, who pitched more than five years with a partial tear, is an extremely rare exception. Given that Harvey is just 24 years old, with multiple potential big years and massive potential earning power ahead of him, it makes lots of sense to get the procedure done in the near future. Again, ask those who've either seen many teammates and rivals suffer the same injury and go in for Tommy John … http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... veys-elbow

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 09:14 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This whole thing sucks, but it's no reason to write off 2014 yet. Reading this thread, I see some believed 2014 was hopeless before Harvey ever felt a twinge. I thought it was outrageously presumptuous for so many to assume that a team this bad would contend in just the next season. Not that it can't happen. But hoping and expecting are two different beasts.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 09:15 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

1985 was, by any measure, marvelous. They won 98 smashing games which is probably enough to get you a division more than half the time, and if not for one of any number of simplish breaks --- Strawberry's thumb, Sisk's bone chips, Davy Johnson vetoing Frank Cashen's deal to bring Seaver back, Chapman slumping so precipitously from the previous season it was almost comic, incredibly boneheaded plays from Larry Bowa who you thought you could at least count on to keep his head in the game --- would have gone over the top. You have a chance for a 1985, you don't ask to be dealt out. You take it and hope that you can be smart enough to stay one step ahead of that one break. It was just a great summer of baseball wire to wire and if you wanted to give me those same cards to play with, I'd sign up every time.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 09:17 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

1985 was a Mets season for the ages. But are you comparing 1985 to 2014?

metirish Aug 27 2013 09:25 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: 1985 was, by any measure, marvelous. It wasn't Harvelous?

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 09:30 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Baseball Prospectus on "the injury". Lotsa graphs and charts. Overthinking It A Search for Matt Harvey Injury Indicators http://www.baseballprospectus.com/artic ... leid=21642

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 10:06 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

batmagadanleadoff wrote: 1985 was a Mets season for the ages. But are you comparing 1985 to 2014? Responding to this'n'. Centerfield wrote: Next year was going to be, at best, 1985.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 10:19 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I'd sign up for another 1985 right now. As for me, I'm hoping the Mets can contend. I never assumed it, but I do think there's a chance, with or without Harvey. (Obviously, more of a chance with.)

Ceetar Aug 27 2013 10:19 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: 1985 was a Mets season for the ages. But are you comparing 1985 to 2014? Responding to this'n'. Centerfield wrote: Next year was going to be, at best, 1985. this has been bothering me all year. The only comparison to '85 (yes, I was three, that's irrelevant) is a narrative. And that's fine, those stories and narratives are fine, but there is no relationship in terms of progression. The Mets aren't "this bad". They've been playing roughly .500 ball since like June. So it's not like they need a last-to-first conversion. They need to make a bunch of moves, surely, but if those moves end up working out they'll certainly be competitive. Sure, I don't want them going all willy-nilly buy everyone like Bowden seems to suggest they were going to be tempted to do, but honestly any realistic projections and plans for 2014 should've included at least one pitcher ending up injured, if not more.

Centerfield Aug 27 2013 11:02 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: 1985 was, by any measure, marvelous. They won 98 smashing games which is probably enough to get you a division more than half the time, and if not for one of any number of simplish breaks --- Strawberry's thumb, Sisk's bone chips, Davy Johnson vetoing Frank Cashen's deal to bring Seaver back, Chapman slumping so precipitously from the previous season it was almost comic, incredibly boneheaded plays from Larry Bowa who you thought you could at least count on to keep his head in the game --- would have gone over the top. You have a chance for a 1985, you don't ask to be dealt out. You take it and hope that you can be smart enough to stay one step ahead of that one break. It was just a great summer of baseball wire to wire and if you wanted to give me those same cards to play with, I'd sign up every time. It’s funny. Reading through the responses in this thread, I think I’m simultaneously being accused of being too optimistic and too pessimistic. I’ll try to clarify. Edgy, I think you're addressing the above post to me. I would never ask to be dealt out. 1985 was a great year. It was a big step forward in developing a championship team. But it was ultimately, a year where they needed some breaks, didn't get them, and fell short. My point was that next year, 2014, was going to be 1985 at best. (Some think it was a far cry to even think it would be that good, but opinions will vary.) Now that Harvey is injured, that changes the game. Assuming you thought that 2014 could be 1985 (which I was hoping for), we’ve just lost Gooden from the ‘85 squad. How much does that change the ‘85 season? A lot I say. Do you give up on that season? No. But you go in with the understanding that you need a hell of a lot of breaks to make up losing your top pitcher. My point is that we may have lost Gooden from the ‘85 squad, but we can still have him at full strength for ‘86, which is what I’m hoping 2015 will be. So, in the grand scheme of things, 2014 may not be as fun as we had hoped, but hopefully our plan toward building a championship team can still come to fruition. So in summary, I don’t think it was far-fetched to think next year could be a 1985 type year prior to Harvey getting hurt. Maybe not 98 wins, but progressing to a team that is a legitimate championship contender and one that is on the verge of getting even better. Now that Harvey is hurt, I think we have to be realistic about our chances next year. We certainly don’t punt on the season, but losing Harvey is a terrible blow for next year. Still, I think we have reason to be optimistic, because we can have him ready for 2015, when this team will light the world on fire.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 11:51 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Now I'm even more confused. The '85 Mets were goodenough to win the WS. There are WS champs who weren't as good as that team. Terry Collins' Mets aren't even in the same galaxy as the mid-80's Mets. Not even with two healthy Matt Harveys.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 11:59 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I think there was no difference between 1985 and 1986. One year they didn't get the breaks (I left Berenyi out of the bad breaks from 1985); the next they did (Berenyi was reduced to a fall-back plan that they didn't need to launch). The only significant injury to any of the players in 1986 happened in spring training to Mookie Wilson's eye. He was ready by the start of May and it was smooth sailing in the trainer's room after that. That's the main difference between successful teams and champions. Breaks. There were no significant injuries in 1969 either. Seaver had a brief dead-arm period and then was unstoppable down the stretch. We'll see what next year holds, but I think the notion that Harvey's injury is a blessing in disguise, because it prevents Alderson from going crazy in the offseason market, is weak and fuels the outdated notion of the Mets as bumbling pretenders that need circumstances to restrain their own appetites*. Alderson has been nothing if not deliberate, and has made clear at every turn that over-leveraging the future for the present is what sunk the team and not doing that is how he intends to save it (while insisting that this doesn't mean the present is lost). Let's remember that Bowden was driven out of baseball in disgrace, in a mess of a seamy FBI investigation into a culture of exploitation that Alderson (hopefully) helped clean up. If there are moves are perceived to be healthy for the organization --- long-term or short --- those are the ones I expect Alderson to make (if not necessarily succeed at). He's got to be deliberate because his first job is getting the organization above water, but my understanding is that he understands that it's short-sighted to reduce all strategies for building a successful franchise to "win now" or "win later." The Mets had a job to do this offseason. And now they've got a bigger and more complex job to do. Cassandra Complex Commentators who think they're the only ones who see the big picture are a dime a dozen. *This is somehow maintained simultaneously with the "all this winning is terrible" notion that the Mets are flaccid self-congratulating fools who think are deluded in times of success into standing pat and not seeing the flaws in the team that the success is masking.

Centerfield Aug 27 2013 12:20 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think there was a big difference between '86 and '85. The 1985 team was a legitimate contender. There are many teams like this in a given year. The 1986 team was the favorite to win it all. There is only ever one favorite in a given year, and in most years, there is no clear cut favorite. Some win it all (like the '86 Mets). Some fall short (2001 Mariners) in the post-season. But they shred the competition during the regular season. The '86 team had it's share of bad luck. (Gooden came down to Earth, Foster flamed out) Juggernauts like that steamroll through anyway undaunted. I was hoping to have a contender in 2014, a favorite in 2015. I agree with you that the Mets don't need a watchdog or they spend foolishly. I can't see Alderson doing that. But I agree with his point that the Harvey injury doesn't derail the Mets plans to build a perennial winner.

metirish Aug 27 2013 03:10 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

?@MattHarvey33 Thank you everyone for the kind words and support. I may be done this year, but I will be back next year for April 1.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 03:17 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

We'll see about that.

Ashie62 Aug 27 2013 05:51 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This whole thing sucks, but it's no reason to write off 2014 yet. Couldn't they go out and buy an LF sluggerguy and with the decent pitching they still have go into 2014 on the upside?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 28 2013 09:18 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

What I don't get is how so many-- so MANY-- people, news organizations, and Met-retweet-bots didn't catch the date on this tweet, and his meaning. Matt Harvey, presumably with a gigantic cheek-bulge, wrote: Thank you everyone for the kind words and support. I may be done this year, but I will be back next year for April 1.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2013 09:20 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I noticed that date. I think he's thinking that he's going to get away with not needing surgery, perhaps like Jon Niese did this season. I'd be a lot more confident about that April 1 date if it came from a doctor instead of from a ballplayer.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 29 2013 07:15 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Some possibly encouraging news from Roy Halladay, who chatted with Harvey yesterday. (Terry Collins set up the meeting.) Halladay says he had a similar injury in the 2006 season when he was with Toronto. He shut it down for September of that year, did some strengthening exercises and stuff like that, and was ready to go in April of 2007. Hasn't had any elbow problems since. Harvey has to wait until the swelling goes down, and then they can evaluate whether he can take the approach that Halladay did. Jeremy Hefner, meanwhile, had his Tommy John surgery yesterday. Recovery time is 14 or 15 months. Which indicates to me that Harvey can wait and see for another couple of months. If he ultimately has the Tommy John, he'll miss 2014 and be ready for 2015 whether he has the surgery in August or waits until possibly as late as January.

seawolf17 Aug 29 2013 07:20 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

If "Roy Halladay" is a best case scenario, and "Adam Wainwright" is a worst-case scenario (he tries rehab but winds up needing the surgery anyway), then I'm okay with it.

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2013 07:37 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Gary ran down a list the other night of guys who have had partial tears and opted NOT to go the surgical route. Some eventually needed it down the road but others didn't. Bottom line (in the case of elbows or just about anything else) is that if you can avoid surgery you probably should avoid surgery. No matter how "routine" TJ operations have become in recent years it's still a very invasive procedure [transplanted tendons, drilled holes in bones, re-routed tissue, etc.] that requires a ton of rehab, a lot of time, runs the risk of infection, and even today doesn't always return the pitcher to where he was prior to the injury.

Centerfield Aug 29 2013 07:55 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

But these tears don't heal right? I feel like not getting the surgery would be a time bomb ticking away. But I don't have an MD so what do I know. If given the choice, I'd much rather have him miss 2014 than 2015.

Ceetar Aug 29 2013 09:01 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Both Niese and Gee are pitching with partial tears. Not the same ones as Harvey, but they're pitching with them. Of course, they're on anti-inflammatory medication. This allows them to get back on the field and avoid surgery and pitch. But it's okay, because they're not on "the list".

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 09:12 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Atchy, too. Get Wheeler and our rotation next year can be four partial tears and one complete rebuild in the case of Mejia. How did we get through 100 years of baseball before Tommy John ever went under the knife? I've got to assume all the Ed Walshes who won a bunch of games but were near useless after 30 were living with undiagnosed UCL ruptures. I have my opinion, but what do I know? The folks who decide may make the wrong decision, but they'll do it with a hell of a lot more information and experience than I've got.

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2013 09:15 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 29 2013 12:52 PM

"But these tears don't heal right?" -- Correct. Unlike muscles, ligaments don't 're-grow' and heal themselves. "I feel like not getting the surgery would be a time bomb ticking away." -- Maybe. But every pitcher beyond HS has some tears somewhere. The question, yet to be determined, is how bad this one is. Is a future full tear inevitable or just possible? "But I don't have an MD so what do I know." -- I watched 'HOUSE' so I'm qualified to speak on all medical situations. "If given the choice, I'd much rather have him miss 2014 than 2015." -- If only the question were that simple.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 09:17 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Amos Rusie --- there's a guy with an undiagnosed torn url.

G-Fafif Sep 17 2013 12:55 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Heyman says Harvey to rehab elbow, eschew TJ surgery for now. Mets star right-hander Matt Harvey is expected to try to avoid Tommy John elbow surgery after seeing noted sports doctor James Andrews on Monday. The diagnosis apparently was positive enough that Harvey is expected to try rehab for now, then begin a throwing program in 1-2 months. Surgery remains a possibility, depending on how the rehab and throwing go. Harvey was diagnosed by Mets doctors as having a partial tear of his right ulnar collateral ligament a few weeks ago. That does not appear to be in dispute, but while such a tear usually requires surgery, some pitchers have been able to pitch through such an injury. No details of Andrews' examination are known. The Mets announced Monday that they were planning to make an announcement Tuesday regarding Harvey's prognosis and protocol. Mets co-owner Jeff Wilpon and Harvey's agent, Scott Boras, declined comment. The very common Tommy John surgery is believed to be up to 90 percent effective with ligament tears in the elbow, but since the procedure isn't quite 100 percent and would surely cost him the 2014 season, Harvey has been said to be hoping to avoid surgery. He has also heard from Phillies star Roy Halladay shortly after his diagnosis, who was a rare pitcher to avoid the surgery after a similar diagnosis. Even if Harvey eventually needs surgery, he still would have time to try rehabbing the injury and be ready for the 2015 season, which is another consideration. Harvey had a 2.27 ERA in 178 1/3 innings for the Mets in 2013 and was a Cy Young candidate before he was sidelined.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2013 01:05 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Centerfield wrote: But these tears don't heal right? I feel like not getting the surgery would be a time bomb ticking away. But I don't have an MD so what do I know. If given the choice, I'd much rather have him miss 2014 than 2015. I figured as a lawyer you'd be familiar with "unnecessary surgery" aka "elective surgery." Almost all treatments are options, and probably, every one of us is living with imperfections in our ligaments and tendons and cartliage, they become problematic when they tear too much or get irritated for whatever reason. And, hey I'll say it. Fuck 2015. Let's not tie all the organization progress to a single guy, especially a total crapshoot like a single young douchey attention-starved pitcher like Harvey.

G-Fafif Sep 17 2013 01:12 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

An unsourced update about Matt Harvey deciding not to do something is more interesting than the entire four-game series against the Nationals last week.

Edgy MD Sep 17 2013 01:15 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

This was all an elaborate ruse orchestrated by the Mets to limit Harvey's innings while not seeming like timid little bunny rabbits. Terry Collins is ashamed he participated and will tell all, sooner rather than later. Mark my words.

Vic Sage Sep 17 2013 01:27 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

...a single young douchey attention-starved pitcher like Harvey. Really Jon? you want to go there? so soon? no Honeymoon period? Just "Harvey's a dick" right off the bat? man.

G-Fafif Sep 17 2013 01:28 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: This was all an elaborate ruse orchestrated by the Mets to limit Harvey's innings while not seeming like timid little bunny rabbits. Terry Collins is ashamed he participated and will tell all, sooner rather than later. Mark my words. Harvey...rabbit...and now THIS damning evidence! 42? You mean like the number innings the Mets shaved off Harvey's 2013? Oh, you've stumbled onto something nefarious here.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 17 2013 01:34 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I'm glad. He may ultimately miss a year, but maybe he won't. And there's no saying whether that future year will be more or less important than 2014. He may not even be a Met anymore if and when the elbow ultimately goes bad. Take the bird in the hand. Pitch in 2014! I approve.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2013 01:41 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Vic Sage wrote: ...a single young douchey attention-starved pitcher like Harvey. Really Jon? you want to go there? so soon? no Honeymoon period? Just "Harvey's a dick" right off the bat? man. Where have you been? I sussed out this guy's gigantic ego and smug puss in his first or second start, long before he pulled into spring training in an Escalade or posed naked in any number of fashion magazines. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing for a jock to be selfish jerk! I am concerned that Met Nation (and Media Nation) falls for it.

Vic Sage Sep 17 2013 02:01 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

oh i know you've been banging this drum from day 1. but i thought you were kidding... mostly. you had the same issues with David Wright and RA Dickey as i recall. maybe i'm misremembering. Anyway, the only thing we need to "fall for" is 261 Ks (and only 56 BBs) in 237 innings, with an ERA+ of 151 to date. If he can keep that up, he can be a cross between Clemens, Kingman, Dixie Walker and Jeffrey Dahmer for all i care. By the way, Seaver is a major asshole too, by all reports, and i think there should be a golden idol forged in his name, with ritual sacrifices on its altar before any post-season games.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2013 02:04 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Totally agree on the Seaver parallel. I got nothing against David Wright though. He's no douche.

Edgy MD Sep 17 2013 02:12 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

David Wright's wishes and heartfelt concern are the only things that have kept me married.

Vic Sage Sep 17 2013 02:17 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

his farts heal leprosy.

metsmarathon Sep 17 2013 02:41 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: David Wright's wishes and heartfelt concern are the only things that have kept me married. that surely took a lot, considering how anthony recker threatened to tear it all apart.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Sep 17 2013 03:44 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Vic Sage wrote: his farts heal leprosy. Oh, don't be ridiculous, man. They're a leprosy palliative.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2013 10:50 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Harvey douches out in interview: http://deadspin.com/matt-harveys-interv ... socialflow

metirish Sep 18 2013 10:53 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

So, the Mets day this “Based on this MRI and a subsequent clinical examination, Mets physicians determined that a surgical repair would likely be necessary, unless Matt could complete a throwing program free of elbow related symptoms.” That's part of the statement.... Davidoff is the Post thinks the Mets are pissed.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 18 2013 10:55 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

http://mets.lohudblogs.com/2013/09/18/t ... n-why-not/ Megdal sez Harvey did the right thing, and sez so without mentioning the you know, the $320M debt looming soon for the Mets owners.

d'Kong76 Sep 18 2013 07:16 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Can someone tell me who the heck Megdal is and what the obsession with him is?

SteveJRogers Sep 18 2013 08:43 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Kong76 wrote: Can someone tell me who the heck Megdal is and what the obsession with him is? Journalist/blogger that has been one of the "front men" in terms of scathing pieces (including an e-book) about the Wilpons dealings with Madoff and how it has affected the Mets. The obsession is, as far as I can tell, that he very rarely, if ever, has produced a positive piece about the direction of the Mets since the scandal of the Mets' involvement with Madoff broke.

Edgy MD Sep 18 2013 09:07 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

The obsession is another matter.

d'Kong76 Sep 19 2013 08:23 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Edgy MD wrote: The obsession is another matter. And Bingo was his name-o!

batmagadanleadoff Sep 19 2013 10:17 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: The obsession is another matter. And Bingo was his name-o!

d'Kong76 Sep 19 2013 12:37 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Bad hair day! batmagadanleadoff wrote:

G-Fafif Oct 04 2013 02:46 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Tommy John surgery for the Schaefer Pitcher of the Year, SNY reports.

G-Fafif Oct 04 2013 02:46 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Out for 2014.

Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2013 02:47 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Blah.

metirish Oct 04 2013 03:10 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

That was a quick decision? , he rested, tried rehab and it didn't work I guess?

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2013 03:16 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Yeah, they were talking about waiting until around Dec 1 to make a decision so the timing is a bit surprising even if the ultimate decision is not.

dinosaur jesus Oct 04 2013 04:09 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

The right choice. And good to get it done sooner than later. Damn, that was a nice ride. He might come back strong, but who knows when we'll see something like that again. Next year, Noah?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2013 04:19 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

There's still time for a career in mobile phone sales.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 04 2013 05:45 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Generation M?

metirish Oct 04 2013 05:49 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Alderson ST. LOUIS -- Mets ace Matt Harvey will undergo surgery this month to repair a partially torn ligament in his right elbow, a decision that will knock him out for the 2014 season. Dr. James Andrews will perform the surgery, which the team announced on Friday afternoon. Mets general manager Sandy Alderson said during a conference call Friday that Harvey had time to think about his decision and that Harvey became less emotional about making the call. Alderson said he intentionally stayed away from Harvey so he could decide himself on surgery. "I was uncomfortable possibly trying to persuade him one way or another," he said. Initially, Harvey, 24, planned to attempt a rehab program over the next seven weeks with the hopes of strengthening his elbow enough to pitch in 2014. However, rehab also carried some risk. Had Harvey completely torn his ulnar collateral ligament after rehab, he would have been forced to undergo surgery, sidelining him even longer. "I felt this would be the right decision so in that sense I'm happy that Matt has reached that same conclusion," Alderson said. Though expected, the news is a major blow for the Mets, who will lose their rising star just as the team hoped to finally return to postseason contention. "This doesn't really change our planning at all but it does provide some clarity of course that we didn't have," Alderson said. Alderson said he was optimistic about Harvey's candidacy for successful surgery because of his age, strength, stability and mechanics. Alderson said that it's possible that the Mets call up prospects Noah Syndergaard, Jacob deGrom or Rafael Montero to take Harvey's place, but that such a scenario was not preferred. In his first full season, Harvey went 9-5 with a 2.27 ERA while earning the start in the All-Star Game at Citi Field. Alderson confirmed that Harvey had yet to begin throwing during his rehab program. Cardinals ace Adam Wainwright faced a similar fate. The pitcher partially tore a ligament in his elbow twice. Both times he rehabbed and pitched through the injury -- a partial tear -- just as Harvey hoped to do. But the ligament eventually tore completely, forcing him to undergo surgery. Wainwright missed all of 2011 but has since regained his form. He went 19-9 with a 2.94 ERA this season while logging 241 2/3 innings. He cited what he believed to be a 90 percent success rate with elbow surgeries. "You have to come out of that with a positive mindset," said Wainwright, who dominated the Pirates in Game 1 of the NLDS on Thursday. "If you're worried about 10 percent, then you don't have right outlook going into that rehab." However, Wainwright said he understood Harvey's reason for exploring rehab. "You don't just do surgery if you don't need it," Wainwright said. "If he's just decided [to undergo surgery], hopefully he needs it because there is that 10 percent."

d'Kong76 Oct 04 2013 07:09 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Surgery sooner than later is probably best. Hope the surgeon can make him less of a dick too.

Centerfield Oct 04 2013 08:57 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I think this is the right move. Move back to respectability in 2014 with some new faces. Call up Syndegaard and Montero. Bring back Harvey in 2015. Scorch the competition in a way that makes the 86'ers look like pansies.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 04 2013 11:46 PM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

It feels right. IIRC, Wainwright isn't the only rehab "success" that ended up having TJ surgery (Kerry Wood and Erik Bedard, to name two).

TransMonk Oct 05 2013 08:26 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

Does anyone else think this may have been the decision they had made since the beginning of the injury but that the Mets may have wanted to wait until just after the season ended to announce it? There weren't that many more fannies in seats during the last month of 2013, but they're could have been a few extra thinking that a truly competitive Mets team was just right around the corner. Why give the impression that they are going to let him finish trying the rehab, but then don't? If this is truly the best decision (and I don't disagree that it is), wouldn't having the surgery over a month ago have been better than wasting potential post-surgery rehab time? Is this traditionally a decision that is solely left to the pitcher?

seawolf17 Oct 05 2013 08:37 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

I don't see any benefit, financially, to them waiting. As it sits now, we're definitely looking at '15. If he had it a month ago, then maybe there's hope for the end of next season that he'll be back for a potential pennant run. If anything, it hurts them to wait.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 05 2013 09:17 AM Re: Harvelous Gets MRI

There's no financial benefit to the wait; there is a potential, more ineffable benefit, though-- he's free to rehab at a pace conducive to his longterm career-health without the pressure of he-may-be-back-by-September hanging overhead.