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Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 08:19 AM

Jon Heyman sez Byrd has been selected by another NL team on waivers.

smg58 Aug 27 2013 08:24 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I'm surprised he wasn't put through waivers long before now. (It's routine, post-deadline.) I'm not at all surprised he didn't clear them. The Mets could conceivably try to work a deal out with the team who claimed him, but if they really wanted to deal him it would have happened a month ago when there were most likely multiple suitors. I'm assuming he stays put.

Centerfield Aug 27 2013 08:26 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I can't imagine they move him now when there is even less of a market for him. The mistake was not moving him a month ago.

MFS62 Aug 27 2013 08:31 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

A memorable song from the show Bye Bye Birdie is the opening number - the telephone song, in which all the kids are on their phones talking to each other. I get the image of all the GMs this time of year scanning the waiver wire and doing the same thing. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 08:34 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Joel Sherman ?@Joelsherman1 2m can confirm #Mets are trying to make trade of player(s) claimed on waivers, and as @JonHeymanCBS reports Byrd has been claimed by NL team

sharpie Aug 27 2013 08:46 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

My guess on the team would be the post-Heyward Braves.

MFS62 Aug 27 2013 08:52 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

sharpie wrote: My guess on the team would be the post-Heyward Braves. Well then let's do it. Anyone they get back from the Braves will be a future Hall of Famer. Just go on a Braves fan site if you don't believe me. Later

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 09:00 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Centerfield wrote: I can't imagine they move him now when there is even less of a market for him. It happens all the time.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2013 11:01 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

sharpie wrote: My guess on the team would be the post-Heyward Braves. Hurt Heyward, then sell you his replacement? If Sandy were able to prise something of value there-- and it's VERY likely, when you consider how big a hit that is to their Fiesta del Underachieving Uptons lineup-- how do you think Atlanta fans would feel about that?

Centerfield Aug 27 2013 11:05 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Edgy MD wrote: Centerfield wrote: I can't imagine they move him now when there is even less of a market for him. It happens all the time. True, let me rephrase. It would be incredibly frustrating if the Mets ended up getting less for him in exchange for a month of service in a lost season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2013 12:02 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

As per Rubin's sources, it's Pittsburgh. (And Buck's a Buc, too.)

sharpie Aug 27 2013 12:09 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I aguess Starling Marte's injury was the prompt for Pittsburgh. Buck backs up Russell Martin I suppose.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 12:18 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Dilson Hererra, Columbian middle infielder.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 12:40 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Still a baby, but he would be the first Colombian Met. A quick search puts him around number 10 on lists of prospective Pirates.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 12:45 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Apparently the cheapass Mets kicked in a million smackeroos to cover the rest of Buck's $$ in exchange for a tastier prospect. 5-10 teenager who can hit, I like it. The PTBNL is likely on the Pirates' 40-man roster btw

batmagadanleadoff Aug 27 2013 12:51 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The PTBNL is likely on the Pirates' 40-man roster btw If that's so, then in all likelihood, the teams already know who the PTBNL is. They're probably just delaying the rest of the trade because the PTBNL likely wouldn't clear waivers. The PTBNL method is a way around waivers.

Vic Sage Aug 27 2013 12:58 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Not that i begrudge them anything they can get out of Byrd and Buck, but does it really seem likely to anybody ... ANYBODY... that the Mets got more in this deal than they could have gotten a month ago, when they weren't under the same restrictions in terms of who they could deal with? I mean, i suppose it's possible they got no decent offers in July, but did they really think they'd get better ones now, when players have to get thru waivers? my feeling is that Sandy was under orders not to start selling off parts until the last possible second, so they could still sell tickets and the idea that they were still trying to be competitive. Now, a month later, Harvey's injury torpedoes the silly illusion and we're stuck with scraps. Of course, i could be wrong. this might have been the best they could've gotten at any point. we'll never know, i guess, unless Sandy writes a tell-all book one day. Even then, we'll only have his side of it.

bmfc1 Aug 27 2013 12:59 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

The new guys thinks that Citi Field is "huge and beautiful": http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ym ... 5&sid=t525

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 01:06 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

First Mets trade with the Privateers since the famed Ollie Perez-Roberto Hernandez/Xavier Nady deal in 2006. In 2004 came the equally salacious Ty Wigginton-José Bautista-Matt Peterson/Kris Benson-Jeff Keppinger deal that probably was the nail in the fandom of Salamander Q. Pirates-Mets deals are game changers! Jeremy Hefner was an Alderson-era waiver claim from the Pirates. The Mets scout the Buccos! First-ever Mets transaction with the Pirates was grabbing Al Jackson in the expansion draft. That one's still paying dividends 52 years later!

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 01:07 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

On dealing now vs. July. Is it likely that this deal is the best, no. Plausible certainly. We don't know.

seawolf17 Aug 27 2013 01:08 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Apparently the cheapass Mets kicked in a million smackeroos to cover the rest of Buck's $$ in exchange for a tastier prospect. 5-10 teenager who can hit, I like it. The PTBNL is likely on the Pirates' 40-man roster btw WHICH MEANS IT'S ANDREW MCCUTCHEN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 01:08 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Vic Sage wrote: Not that i begrudge them anything they can get out of Byrd and Buck, but does it really seem likely to anybody ... ANYBODY... that the Mets got more in this deal than they could have gotten a month ago, when they weren't under the same restrictions in terms of who they could deal with? I mean, i suppose it's possible they got no decent offers in July, but did they really think they'd get better ones now, when players have to get thru waivers? my feeling is that Sandy was under orders not to start selling off parts until the last possible second, so they could still sell tickets and the idea that they were still trying to be competitive. Now, a month later, Harvey's injury torpedoes the silly illusion and we're stuck with scraps. Of course, i could be wrong. this might have been the best they could've gotten at any point. we'll never know, i guess, unless Sandy writes a tell-all book one day. Even then, we'll only have his side of it. While I think the Mets might have been less inclined to make this deal last month for the reason you say, I'm less convinced Byrd is bringing back more than 10th best prospect at any point this year. And I don't think that not trading a guy is akin to blocking incoming phone calls. If anything, I think the Pirates are more inclined to deal given their recent injuries, and that's the trigger for all this today.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 01:23 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Both guys were Schaefer Mets Players of the Month this year. Marlon Byrd had a real chance at being the Player of the Year.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 01:28 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

With three of the leaders --- Boid, Wright, and Harvey --- in the clubhouse, it's an interesting falloff to the active leader. Buck's race is run, too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 27 2013 01:30 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Muffy, unless he's traded tonight.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 01:34 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Parnell also pretty much done collecting Schaefer for the year, isn't he?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 01:36 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

It does look that way.

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2013 02:08 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Dilson Hererra, Columbian middle infielder. John Sickels' take (as of about a month ago) -- Hitting .266/.327/.414 in Low-A, good defender at second base and has some pop in his bat, solid overall at age 19. He gave him a grade of 'B-' prior to the season which, for Sickels, is an above-average prospect grade and you'd think that a "solid" year in full-season ball at age 19 (not 20 until next March) would do nothing to diminish that heading into next season. I'm going to assume if he's not a SS by now he's unlikely to become one in the future which is too bad, but there's nothing wrong with a good fielding, wiry 2Bman (BB-Ref lists at 5' 10" / 150) with a bit of pop (41 of his 112 hits this season for XBHs) if things all work out. For other Pitt Prospects with an eye towards the PTBNL (read somewhere that it's going to be a pitcher) see the rest of John's Pirate list here BA sez: Herrera hit .321 for short-season State College in 2012 and led the New York-Penn League with 22 extra-base hits, and despite a dip in his raw production this season at low Class A, he remains an intriguing prospect as an offensive-oriented second baseman. A compactly-built 5-foot-10, Herrera makes consistent line-drive contact and ought to develop at least average power to go with a solid average and on-base percentage. He lacks the type of flashy defensive tools to get a look at shortstop, though sticking at the keystone will be no problem thanks to solid range and quick hands. As such, South Atlantic League managers recently selected Herrera as the best defensive second baseman in the circuit.

Farmer Ted Aug 27 2013 02:41 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Byrd and Buck have never been to the post-season. Glad they're in the hunt for the playoffs with PGH. They played hard and were liked. Good for them.

Farmer Ted Aug 27 2013 02:45 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates also got cash in the deal. If by "cash" they mean Andrew McCutchen, I'm good with that.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2013 03:34 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Depending on how much playing time David Wright gets over the remainder of this season, Daniel Murphy may also end up as the only Met to get 502 plate appearances, which would make him the default team leader for batting average, slugging, and OBP. As for ERA leader, Matt Harvey already has the 162 innings needed to lead the team in that category. He can also lead the league, but to do so he'll need Clayton Kershaw to get knocked around quite a bit. Harvey is the only Met with 162 innings so far, but Dillon Gee is only a few innings short of that mark.

Ashie62 Aug 27 2013 05:12 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I feel like they gave away Byrd and Buck for zilch..

Frayed Knot Aug 27 2013 05:49 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2013 09:29 PM

So they got a player you never heard of prior to today plus one more we don't know the name of yet - and yet you've already decided that both add up to "zilch".

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 06:11 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Yeah, come on.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2013 06:30 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

He's a guy who you've never heard of who played in the Futures Game, reportedly has superlative range/glove, runs with "60" grade speed, and demonstrates solid average-skills/plate-selection at age 19, plus another-- presumably cheap, presumably a potential future contributor-- roster piece, in exchange for spare parts who may have been able to get the Mets another win or two between them. In a post-deadline trade with five weeks to go.

bmfc1 Aug 27 2013 07:41 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

This was EXACTLY the type of trade that Sandy needed to make, trading two players that won't help them win the pennant this year and won't be on the team next year for one of the Pirates best prospects. Maybe Dilson won't amount to anything but he has good numbers (that little body produces that much power?) and is a good addition for the Mets.

Edgy MD Aug 27 2013 09:14 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 05:41 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Neither Buck nor Byrd see action last nght as the Pirates fall to Milwaukee and lose ground in the Central. Stupid Clint Hurdle.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2013 07:43 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

bmfc1 wrote: This was EXACTLY the type of trade that Sandy needed to make, trading two players that won't help them win the pennant this year and won't be on the team next year for one of the Pirates best prospects. Maybe Dilson won't amount to anything but he has good numbers (that little body produces that much power?) and is a good addition for the Mets. He just needed to make the move a month ago, when there may have been more options. And i read that Dilson was ranked as Pitt's 19th best prospect; i don't consider that one of their "best prospects". Lets not romanticize him before he even shows up. But at any rate, i saw Sandy after last night's game saying this was a better package than he had been offered by anybody in July. Now I don't necessarily believe him; what's he going to say? "well, i was offered more before but i wasn't authorized to pull the trigger until now."? He'd be out the door before the last syllable hit the floor. but if its true, than fine, good. He picked us quite a Dilly!

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2013 07:56 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Who knows? There may have been more options in July, but teams may be more desperate in August. If Dilson Herrera becomes a major league player, this will have been a good trade. If not, well, all the Mets gave up was two guys who were going to be gone in a month anyway. And of course, the PTBNL may also amount to something some day.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2013 08:04 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

i think its a good trade regardless, just on the chance that those players can develop. All i'm saying is was this the best possible trade? you're right; who knows? I do think it's at least a question.

seawolf17 Aug 28 2013 08:09 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

But it's a question that we'll never know the answer to, so I see the exercise as futile. We got a good deal out of two guys who were going to give us nothing in the long run, and that's without even knowing who the PTBNL is. The only way this is a negative for Sandy is if Herrera gets hit by a bus tomorrow AND if the PBTNL gets hit by a bus the day after he gets N'ed.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2013 08:22 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Even that isn't a negative for Sandy, unless he is driving that bus.

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 08:23 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Alderson said explicitly that he liked what he was offered now more than what was being dangled at the deadline. So maybe he's a liar, but it's not like he's unaware of the benefits of dealing at the deadline. It's just the way it played out for him, he believes he found more benefit to holding out. Maybe not, but for what it's worth, the fact that Buck and Byrd went to the Pirates means most of the league passed on the them as waiver claims, and so we can conclude had little or no interest in them on the trade market.

Farmer Ted Aug 28 2013 08:42 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Dilson may have been the Pirates 19th-rated prospect, but with the various machinations of scouting that Sandy and crew have, there was definitely something they liked on this guy as opposed to others that were considered higher on the charts. And what exactly would the Mets have gotten in return if Byrd was traded a month ago? There were no Wheelers to be had like the Beltran trade. Yeah, he's having a good year, but it's Marlon Byrd for crissakes. They weren't getting Gerrit Cole.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2013 08:59 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Farmer Ted wrote: Dilson may have been the Pirates 19th-rated prospect, but with the various machinations of scouting that Sandy and crew have, there was definitely something they liked on this guy as opposed to others that were considered higher on the charts. And what exactly would the Mets have gotten in return if Byrd was traded a month ago? There were no Wheelers to be had like the Beltran trade. Yeah, he's having a good year, but it's Marlon Byrd for crissakes. They weren't getting Gerrit Cole. there were quotes from Mets brass back in July about how all they could get is a team's 10-15th best prospect at that time, and that it was insufficient. So, instead, we got a team's 19th best prospect a month later. What changed? fewer teams still in it, 30 more days of the season gone, and restrictions on who they could bargain with. Does that seem to you a recipe for a BETTER deal or a worse one? I'm not saying Sandy would or should have gotten a team's best prospect for Byrd/Buck, or even a top 10 prospect; it's just about maximizing assets at this point. And if i trusted our ownership to keep their financial issues out of these things, and it was purely a baseball decision, then fine. But i do not trust them to have done so, which is why there are questions for me if we really maximized our assets, or if we undermined that because the owners thought they could sell a few more tickets in August by holding on to Byrd as long as they could. Can we know? of course not. But this is the kind of mistrust and uncertainty bred by this ownership group.

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 09:01 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I missed those quotes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 28 2013 09:03 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Actually Mookie Dilson was the No. 9 or 10 prospect for the Pirates (not 19), depending on the list, and keep in mind the Pirates farm is considered top 5 by those same listmakers. I'd be surprised if this guy doesn't rank in our top 5.

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 09:07 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Actually Mookie Dilson was the No. 9 or 10 prospect for the Pirates (not 19), depending on the list, and keep in mind the Pirates farm is considered top 5 by those same listmakers. That I didn't miss.

sharpie Aug 28 2013 09:19 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Rob Neyer sure likes the trade http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/8/27 ... on-herrera

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 10:09 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Added bonus: Adds a new branch to the Tim Bogar trade tree. Herrera --- along with d'Arnaud, Syndergaard, and Builcerra --- all have trace amounts of Bogar in their DNA.

seawolf17 Aug 28 2013 10:13 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Edgy MD wrote: Added bonus: Adds a new branch to the Tim Bogar trade tree. Herrera --- along with d'Arnaud, Syndergaard, and Builcerra --- all have trace amounts of Bogar in their DNA. That's fantastic. Trade trees are awesome.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2013 10:49 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Internet rumor cites Vic Black as possible PtbNL - 6' 4" 25 y/o RHP was late 1st/supplemental pick (49th overall) in 2009 out of Texas Baptist University - Is on Pittsburgh 40-man (which could explain the PtbNL status) and briefly appeared (3 games) with the big club this year - He was a starter early on but moved exclusively to relieving pretty quickly and filled the role of closer at AA & AAA in 2012 & 2013 - 38 appearances, 30 games finished, 2.15 ERA, 1.05 WHiP, 17 saves, 46.2 IP, 28 hits, 63 K, 21 BB, 2 HR at Indianapolis this year. Walks are a bit high, but are a slight improvement over previous years and there's nothing not to like about any of the other numbers. I have no idea of the accuracy of the info which cites him as the back half of this deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 28 2013 11:02 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Just saying, if a guy named Vic Black can't be a great closer, I dunno who can. Drafted by Mets in '06 but didn't sign.

sharpie Aug 28 2013 11:12 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Hope Vic Black is better than Rick White was.

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 11:19 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

there were quotes from Mets brass back in July about how all they could get is a team's 10-15th best prospect at that time, and that it was insufficient. I'm still looking for this. I instead found this: ="The New York Post"]Outside executives have said the best the Mets could hope for on Byrd is an interested team’s 10th-15th-best prospect because the sport still eyes Byrd with suspicion since he was terrible last year, failed a PED test and has revived in his age-35 season out of nowhere.

Frayed Knot Aug 28 2013 12:22 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

sharpie wrote: Hope Vic Black is better than Rick White was. I predict he'll be the exact opposite.

Vic Sage Aug 28 2013 01:17 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

how can you not root for a guy named Vic?

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2013 01:51 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 02:06 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Text too small. My comic was better.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 28 2013 02:22 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I tried, but couldn't find an image of Dr. Doom talking about Droopy Herrera (or whatever the hell his name is.)

G-Fafif Aug 28 2013 04:55 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Ken Rosenthal reporting Black is the new orange and blue.

bmfc1 Aug 28 2013 05:33 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Vic "Is The New" Black

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 05:56 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

It didn't take long to name that player to be named.

Edgy MD Aug 28 2013 06:36 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Byrdie batting cleanup for Pittsburgh tonight.

Zvon Aug 28 2013 06:38 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Edgy MD wrote: Byrdie batting cleanup for Pittsburgh tonight. All the more reason to root for the Bucs in the post.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 28 2013 07:24 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

The walks from the Black kid are a little high... but the strikeout numbers (12+ per 9 over the last two whole seasons) and velocity (95-98 with bite, and a Harvey-hard slider that flashes 90)?

Zvon Aug 28 2013 07:36 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Byrd bats fourth and hits his 22nd homer. How about that?

MFS62 Aug 28 2013 09:15 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

I'm pretty sure Vic was named by his parents when he was born. Why did he have to be named later? Shouldn't it be "Player to be Identified Later"? Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 28 2013 09:41 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

The teams may not be allowed to publicly name the guy, but who's to say they can't silently lip-synch his name in front of a lip-reader, or indulge in some leaky charades?

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2013 07:13 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

MFS62 wrote: I'm pretty sure Vic was named by his parents when he was born. Why did he have to be named later? Shouldn't it be "Player to be Identified Later"? Dick (don't me me Richie) Allen and Albert (don't call me Joey) Belle were players to be named (by themselves) later. Vic "Is The New" Black It didn't take long to name that player to be named. Or nicknamed.

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2013 01:31 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Sickels chimes in on Vic Black now that he's been ID'd as the PtbNL ... Black is having a fine season down at Triple-A Indianapolis: 17 saves, 2.51 ERA in 46.2 innings, 63 strikeouts, 21 walks, only 28 hits allowed. He's held International League hitters to a .169 average. He's had a rough patch over his last few games, giving up three runs in three innings with four walks, but overall it has been a very successful season. The Pirates got a brief look at Black in late July when he made three relief appearances out of the big league bullpen, giving up six hits, two walks, and two runs in four innings of work, fanning three. Unlike many minor league closers, Black does not want for stuff: he has one of the best fastballs in the system, clocked as high as 101 MPH in the minors; he hit 98 during his major league trial and averaged 95. A supplemental first round pick in 2009 out of Dallas Baptist, he struggled with control problems, a substandard change-up, and persistent arm trouble early in his career and at one point looked like a bust. He revived his career by converting to relief, posting an excellent 1.65 ERA with an 85/29 K/BB in 60 innings with 13 saves last year in Double-A, followed by consistent success this year. He's had fewer problems throwing strikes and staying healthy with relief use, doesn't have to worry about the change-up, and can just come in and blow people away for an inning or two with his fastball and a slider that can touch 90. Black clearly has closer possibilities down the road if his command holds up. At worst he should be a good middle reliever.

Lefty Specialist Aug 29 2013 01:36 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Victor Black ?@Vic_Black_2 20 Aug I love how baseball embodies traits of Christianity... Hope for tomorrow and redemption from the past. #GetItTomorrow I'm guessing Vic's faith is going to be tested soon.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 29 2013 02:50 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Keith Law hates Black people: Black's got a 70 fastball and maybe 35 command. Brutal delivery - one scouting director called him a "complete delivery overhaul" when he was in college - and very inconsistent slider. If he's the PTBNL, Pirate fans shouldn't be upset. Herrera's the bigger loss, and even he's three years away.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 02:56 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

If he's the project among the two, gimme a project with a three-digit fastball.

MFS62 Aug 29 2013 03:00 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?) Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Aug 29 2013 04:25 PM

If you were having deja vu, you were right. Didn't see the same thing earlier in this thread. Duly deleted. Later

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 04:16 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Rick Reed more. Wally Post less.

MFS62 Aug 29 2013 04:25 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Oops. I'll delete it. Thanks. Later

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 05:03 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Apparently, they are able to openly admit that Black is Metbound, because Sandy does as much in his new dispatch to season ticket holdas.

seawolf17 Aug 29 2013 05:24 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Interesting that Sandy named him. Vic Black gets hit by a bus tomorrow and is out for a year -- what happens?

Frayed Knot Aug 29 2013 05:33 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

MLB.com is listing this under its 'Transactions' data so I'd have to assume this is all officially official at this point, and there's no way Sandy would be talking about it on team stationary otherwise. Not sure why Black was the player who dare not have his name spoken two days ago but is firmly out of the closet now, but that appears to be the case. Whatever paperwork needed doing apparently done got done.

smg58 Aug 29 2013 06:04 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

He must have cleared waivers, allowing the deal to be finalized now.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 06:05 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Indianapolis still has two games left in their schedule, plus they're in first place, so there's a post-season for Blackie.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2013 06:20 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

smg58 wrote: He must have cleared waivers, allowing the deal to be finalized now. Most likely. Teams have 48 hours to put in a waiver claim from the time the player is waived. Black was probably put on waivers during negotiations between the Mets and the Pirates, which probably began two days ago.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2013 06:22 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: smg58 wrote: He must have cleared waivers, allowing the deal to be finalized now. Most likely. Teams have 48 hours to put in a waiver claim from the time the player is waived. Black was probably put on waivers during negotiations between the Mets and the Pirates, which probably began two days ago. I suppose that the Mets were also allowed to put in a claim for the waived Black. Because of the Mets poor W-L record, there were only a few teams that had priority over the Mets to block their claim.

Edgy MD Aug 29 2013 06:27 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

He's not on the Indians roster (unlike d'Arnaud's brother), so I guess he's Met property.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2013 06:34 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: He must have cleared waivers, allowing the deal to be finalized now. Most likely. Teams have 48 hours to put in a waiver claim from the time the player is waived. Black was probably put on waivers during negotiations between the Mets and the Pirates, which probably began two days ago. I suppose that the Mets were also allowed to put in a claim for the waived Black. Because of the Mets poor W-L record, there were only a few teams that had priority over the Mets to block their claim. This got me to just now realize an inherent unfairness in MLB's waiver claim system. If more than one team puts in a claim for a waived player, claim priority is determined as follows: The claiming team with the worst record in the same league as the waiving team is awarded the claim. If no team from the same league as the waiving team claims the waived player, then the claim is awarded to the claiming team with the worst record in the other league. This is unfair to the National League because the AL has two more teams than the NL does.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 29 2013 06:36 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Not anymore it don't, fella. (Hence, the Astros carrying a DH, and the interleague-every-day thing.)

batmagadanleadoff Aug 29 2013 06:38 PM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Not anymore it don't, fella. (Hence, the Astros carrying a DH, and the interleague-every-day thing.) Plus, it was the NL with the extra team. So the waiver system was unfair to AL teams. Can you blame a fella for not thinking of the Astros as an AL team?

Edgy MD Aug 30 2013 08:41 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

Dilson goes 2-3 with a hit-by-pitch, two runs, and the go-ahead RBI in his debut with Savannah. That's half as many runs as Justin Turner.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 30 2013 09:27 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

That sound you hear is Lee Mazzilli Jr.'s heart breaking.

Vic Sage Aug 31 2013 09:41 AM Re: Bye Bye Byrdie (?)

good. screw him and the daddy he sprung from. Yankee turncoat motherfucker.