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Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball Field
batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 12:39 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Sep 29 2013 01:48 AM |
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Edgy MD Sep 04 2013 12:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
It's that famous Met flash in the pan, Boris DeSpider.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 04 2013 12:57 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Joe Moock?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 12:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 01:14 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Topps Chewing Gum Co.: Preserving baseball's history through cutting room floor photos.
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d'Kong76 Sep 04 2013 01:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Unhappy Jack
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 01:25 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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themetfairy Sep 04 2013 01:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Ron Darling, of course.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 01:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 01:53 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Joe Grzenda?
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 01:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Though I'm not sure why Joe Grzenda would be posing with a bat...
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 04 2013 01:55 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I think it's one of the Bob Johnsons. (I've recently posted some missing mug shots from the early days to the UMDB.)
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 01:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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No, but since you mention flashes in the pan, who is this Met flash in the pan, once considered to have the strongest arm in the organization. A famous photo exists of this pitcher posing with Nolan Ryan, both holding scorched baseballs. He blew his arm out in the Minors, and never threw a pitch in the Majors.
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 02:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Gotta be. That smile looked too familiar to have totally escaped my childhood Topps gaze.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Winner! Winner! It's the hitting Bob Johnson, who put up quite the numbers in his brief Met stint.
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 02:02 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Jack Lamabe. And he is tough.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:08 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Why not? Seaver did it for The Man From Topps in 1972. Of course, Joe Grzenda wasn't no Tom Seaver. This coulda been Seaver's '73 card.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:13 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:18 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It's hint time. He was a prominent Met in his time, generally well-liked, even to this day.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He was a pitcher, but not a belly itcher, as far as I know.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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themetfairy Sep 04 2013 02:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Skip Lockwood?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 04 2013 02:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
The skipper
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Edgy MD Sep 04 2013 02:55 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Probably still thought of himself as a bit of hitter in his Pilots days.
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 02:56 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
He was one of my early guesses but I remembered a rounder as well as bespectacled Lockwood and thought, "nah..."
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 02:57 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Skip looks like a different person in every picture.
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Edgy MD Sep 04 2013 03:01 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Yeah, I also remember his hair to be straight and stringy and his eyes to be a bit sickly.
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Zvon Sep 04 2013 03:31 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Hmm..
Hmmm... Kool thread.
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d'Kong76 Sep 04 2013 04:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Hey, big guy ... wanna be a pro's pro? My foxhole buddy?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 06:50 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Can't figure out the flamethrowing flame-out? Once injured, the Mets left him unprotected for the upcoming 1969 expansion draft, where he was taken by the Montreal Expos, and reacquired by the Mets organization two years later. He ended his pro baseball career as a member of the Tidewater Tides.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 07:03 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 07:13 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Is the pitcher in Met blue John Glass?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 07:24 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Some commentary: Excerpt from a June, 2011 Marty Noble piece:
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/articl ... y=news_nym And some blog comments analogizing Glass to Noah Syndergaard in order to criticize the RA Dickey trade: From Paul's Random Baseball Stuff:
http://randombaseballstuff.com/2012/12/ ... ts-future/ And from Mets By The Numbers: If I Had A Hammer:
http://www.mbtn.net/if-i-had-hammer
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 07:35 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
This ex Met ended his major league career as a member of the White Sox, pitching 13 innings for the Pale Hose. There is no Topps card of him as a Met, but his lone White Sox card depicts him in an untouched Mets home uniform. If he lasted another season, The Man From Topps had the goods.
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 07:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Dennis Ribant, whose shutout with 10 K's in his second ML start -- the first Met to file such a feat -- earned him Happiest Recap Game No. 28.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 07:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 04 2013 07:43 PM |
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 07:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Hard-hittin' Gerry Arrigo.
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 07:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Surely you Kid...
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 07:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Take a bow.
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G-Fafif Sep 04 2013 07:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Crazy fun alternate reality pictures. Except they were taken, so I guess they're actual reality. But still.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 07:53 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Not only did Ribant not throw a pitch for the Royals, but he was gone before the seaon even started. Still, Ribant actually appeared on a Topps card as a Royal. I guess he's Kansas City's Jerry Robertson.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 04 2013 08:14 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I believe Carter is pictured wearing 57 in his first Topps bb card, captured in mid-swing
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 08:22 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He is. More from the Mets-Expos connection: This one time Met never appeared in a game for the Expos. And though he merited attention from The Man From Topps, he never appeared on a Topps baseball card of any kind. Ever.
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themetfairy Sep 04 2013 08:23 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Todd Zeile?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 08:34 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 08:35 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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No, but not a bad guess. Zeile played everywhere. The Expos might be the only team he didn't play for.
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Zvon Sep 04 2013 08:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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These are great pictures. Even knowing it is I can't believe this is Lockwood.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 04 2013 08:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Same player. Same deal. The one-time Met with an asterisk ended his career with the Pale Red Hose, without a Topps baseball card to commemorate his last gig. But he didn't escape the attention of The Man From Topps.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 12:41 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 08:05 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He's been everywhere, man!
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 08:07 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The asterisk (and supporting evidence) suggests Jerry Moses, called up to the Mets in 1975 but avoiding playing before being sent on his way.
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 08:10 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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And in ten years, he has a chance to bat no more times for anybody because sadly Greg Goossen is dead at the present time.
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 08:13 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I think that's some Moock.
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Edgy MD Sep 05 2013 08:16 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I'm pretty sure that guy was an Apollo astronaut just visiting camp on a day off from Cape Kennedy.
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 08:21 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
"Ground control to Major Moock -- defend the chain link fence at all costs!"
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 05 2013 09:07 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 09:54 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Edgy MD Sep 05 2013 10:01 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
That's Andres Gallaraga, being a little shy about his massive, massive arms.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 10:02 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 10:03 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 10:11 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Golly. Galarraga the would-be Met. I've been walking around not thinking about him in that context for well over eight years, yet he was front and center on the second day in the existence of FAFIF.
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 05 2013 10:16 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Remember when his nickname was "Radio Gaga"? I remember hearing Ralph Kiner talking about "Radio Gaga" and thinking that he was even less hip than I was. Not an easy feat.
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 10:23 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I do not remember that!
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 10:23 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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From the UMDB FAQ: Why isn't Jerry Moses listed? Jerry Moses, a catcher who played for the Red Sox, Yankees and five other clubs during a ten-year major league career, was on the Mets active roster during part of the 1975 season, but he never appeared in a game. Some have argued that his presence on the regular-season active roster should earn him a spot in our database, but we disagree. Our all-time roster is limited to players who have played in at least one official regular-season game. We've also received questions about Glenn Davis, Terry Puhl, and Charlie Hayes, big-league veterans who played in Mets spring training games. We're not including them, either, for the same reason.
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Edgy MD Sep 05 2013 10:39 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Strange thing about Andres is that everything about his game performance in camp that spring suggested he had made the team.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 05 2013 10:52 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Based on spring training games, I'm surprised Garth Brooks never got a card!
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 10:55 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 05 2013 10:56 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I stand corrected! Sadly for Garth, he's wearing a lesser uniform.
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 10:57 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 11:01 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Garth the Padre appears to be Zvonesque fantasy, though it looks good. The OSU version is good exploitation -- and reminscent of the Partridge Family cards.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 11:13 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 05 2013 12:10 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Is that the Polo Grounds in the background? Chris Cannizzaro?
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 05 2013 12:29 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 05 2013 02:13 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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My brother and I were just talking about Topps reusing old pictures on cards. None were as old as 7 years tho. That might be the record.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 05 2013 02:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Heck, he wasn't even on the Pirates that year. He was in Pittsburgh in 1968, playing in only 25 games, before heading to the Padres in 1969, I'm assuming in the expansion draft.
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G-Fafif Sep 05 2013 02:48 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Phenomenon explored here.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 05:31 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2013 07:14 PM |
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For reason unknown, the first four series of Topps' 1969 set were downright disgraceful. Topps' shoddy production values included old photos (Cannizzaro above) Al Jackson old recycled photos (Mays '69 card is his '66 card cropped) many reused photos from the 1968 set And an extreme overabundance of capless head shots An airbrushed removal of the KC cap logo below even though Duncan was an Athletic for his whole career, dating back to 1964, and the A's had moved to Oakland for the '68 season. Tommie Agee in an airbrushed and logoless White Sox uniform even though he was an everyday playing Met in 1968 and slated to play everyday going into the '69 season. These aren't isolated examples. The first four series of the 1969 set were replete with these types of cards.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 07:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 07:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 05 2013 07:56 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Armless Joe Jackson
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Edgy MD Sep 05 2013 08:04 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Martin Milner?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 05 2013 08:08 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Edgy MD Sep 05 2013 08:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That's Glenn Davis, laughing about how phallic it is when the swoosh penetrates the loop in the Y.
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Zvon Sep 05 2013 09:53 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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When I got the older Agee cards I never saw as a kid I was very disappointed in the '68,'69 Agees. Nothing to really show he was a Met. '69 really is the poorest.
Harry Reems?
One Adam Twelve, One Adam Twelve. Be on the look out for whatever this weeks episode is about.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 06 2013 06:56 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
There's got to be a story behind that horrid 1969 set. Even the circle with the name was used another year. It's too bad to simply be a case of a company with a monopoly getting soft and lazy. I wonder if there was something else going on within the company that caused it's attention to be elsewhere, or whether there was a personnel change or something.
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Edgy MD Sep 06 2013 07:24 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Even overlapping the autograph with the team name comes off as pretty bush.
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Benjamin Grimm Sep 06 2013 07:26 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
That's not an autograph. That's a watermark from whatever web site is hosting that image.
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Edgy MD Sep 06 2013 07:31 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Well, then, never mind and stuff.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 06 2013 10:08 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Speaking of Jackie Robinson, I finally got to see 42 this week. Nice to see the Ed Charles thing in there at the end. So, work with me here: No Jackie would mean no Ed Charles inspired as kid would mean no Ed Charles helping lead the 1969 Mets would mean no World Championship. Rotunda justified.
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Edgy MD Sep 06 2013 10:16 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Jackie Robinson also helped talk Donn Clendenon's stepfather talk young Donn out of football and into baseball.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 10:48 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 10:51 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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... bringing back yesterday's unsolved quiz.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 11:06 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He was a one year wonder. No. Make that a One Year Wonder.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 03:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Jesus Christ! I said I was bringing him back ferchrissakes.
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 03:55 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I know that guys face but not his name, I think. That don't help here. But for the record I know that guys face! Yo, I was coloring a Westrum and dewatermarking a Seaver and I notice that both these pics are taken in the same little corner of the world, what, 5, 6 years apart? Same tree back there. Whoever that is up there, he might be in the same corner, different angle, can't tell. Don't see that section of fence that juts out. Trees don't seem to line up right.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 04:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
But what about the structure coming out of the top of Seaver's head? Wait? Are you saying that just the Westrum and Seaver shots might be from the same location, or all three shots, including the unknown Met that I was bringing back, like I already said so?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 04:02 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
The fence in the Westrum background is two square sections high. Not sure if I can tell in the Seaver shot.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 04:03 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It might not be visible from the Westrum angle. Wes is standing much closer to the foul line.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 04:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I now agree. Wes and Tom are standing in the same area of the Mets Spring Training complex. So is Bill Sudakis (below): The street-light over Sudakis's left shoulder is the giveaway. I think there's a good chance that the pitcher I was bringing back also posed in that same area, but before the cage-like structure was built. Plus, you could tell from the Sudakis photo that the object coming out of Seaver's head is a wooden telephone pole.
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Edgy MD Sep 06 2013 05:03 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Sudakis has a shine on his shoes that Seaver lacks. Pro's pro my ass.
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 05:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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"Bring back" seems to be a clue that means a lot. But I don't get it. I know his face though! Swing him around to the foul line and maybe those trees line up. I'm thinking close, a field over? The Sudakis is a keeper. :)
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 05:47 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 06:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That's the Dodgers one year only 1971 road uniform, with one stripe running along the top of each shoulder.
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 06:46 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
It looks both bush and retro. Then. And now.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 06:48 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I'm gonna call him "B.B." from now on. For "Bring Back".
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 09:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I'm bringing back this quiz. BB was the winning pitcher in the Mets first win ever.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 09:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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His name rhymes with Cobb Snots.
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G-Fafif Sep 06 2013 09:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Bring Back Butterball Botz!!!!
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 09:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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What the hell took you so long?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 09:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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From Bob's Custom Cards:
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G-Fafif Sep 06 2013 09:47 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The "bring back" thing actually threw me at first, like we had him in the minors, traded him, got him back, gave him one of those spring tryouts...and then the Bobby Valentine photo sent me in another direction altogether, like he was a throw-in to the deal that sent B.B. to the Angels. Plus, let's face it, he doesn't look so Butterballish.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 09:55 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 06 2013 10:01 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Lenny Shecter's version:
Botz, Shecter also noted, "was so bad Dawes Hamilt could hit line drives off him."
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 10:04 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I love that book.
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 10:09 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Bob "Butterball" Botz. I shan't ever forget.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 10:12 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Shecter's version, in which a fan banner is the medium for the slogan, is the more familiar version. I tried surfing for that version, but could not find it, so I went with Isaac's tale instead. Did you type your post from Shecter's book?
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G-Fafif Sep 06 2013 10:32 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Yup. Maybe they both had it. People yell and write LET'S GO METS.
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 11:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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So this was a spring training game? He did not make the database, no MLB time. Gimme some stats I'll make a card for him front and back. I have to look more at Bobw's work. I only found my way there recently. He might be the best.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 11:24 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 6 time(s), most recently on Sep 07 2013 11:51 AM |
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 11:27 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I found something. [url]http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=botzbo01
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Zvon Sep 06 2013 11:29 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Wait. I do know this. Bobby Klaus. Just saw his 68 card recently.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 11:34 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 06 2013 11:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2013 12:28 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2013 11:14 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2013 11:17 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 07 2013 01:04 PM |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2013 11:23 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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There's that spot again.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2013 11:56 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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You could see that Klaus's Padres and Mets card used shots from the same photo session. Klaus is the Padres' Jerry Robertson.
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Zvon Sep 07 2013 01:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Bill Sudakis when the Yankees slept over for those two years. Also a spot man but Sadeki now reigns as King Of The Spot, having seen two cards of him hanging out in that little corner of the world.
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The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 07 2013 10:03 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He has a World Series ring to remember his last season as a major leaguer.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 11:50 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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"What do you call it when the same letter appears consecutively in a word? Like the "l" in llama. Or the "b" in rubber? There's gotta be a word for that, right? Anyway there are repeating consecutive letters in my first name and in my last name."
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 11:53 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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"What the guy above me in the Cards uniform just said. Except I've got the repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 11:58 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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"I ain't got any repeating consecutive letters in any of my names. But I'm the easiest one to solve of the remaining 'Who Am I's'? You don't need any more hints".
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 12:34 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 12:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Gosger?
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 12:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Eddie Bressoud?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 12:46 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Gosger.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 12:47 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Eddie Bressoud
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 12:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:19 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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My gosh, he looks familiar.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 01:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Rod Gasper
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 01:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Bob Aspromonte
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 01:22 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Bob Botz 62 card. It'll take a while before I make the back.
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:24 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Gaspar was my initial guess but he looked different when I cross-checked.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 01:25 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Quite frankly, he gets that all the time. They kinda recognize him, but never quite get his name.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 01:28 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:30 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That it was Gaspar doesn't surprise me. What's shocking is I've never seen that SI cover.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 01:31 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:32 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I Rod Gaspar you not.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 01:35 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2013 01:37 PM |
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Damn I know his face.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 01:36 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Ever see this one?
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Oh yeah. Was there a post-WS cover in'69? I've read the text.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 01:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Some basketball player got that cover IIRC, which I usually don't.
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Neither 69 nor 86 early WS cover reflects what lied/lay/lain ahead.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 01:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Yea, some no name.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 01:46 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Ever see that cover in full?
Alcindor was SI's cover for the Shea Stadium portion of the '69 series. In those days, SI would rarely publish a WS issue crowning the champs on the cover. The series started on a Saturday. And SI sent the final version of the upcoming mag to the presses on Sunday night. Sunday was generally SI's cut-off for news coverage. They were generally resistant to putting the WS on the cover for a 2d week in a row because by the time that issue would hit the newstands, the WS was, their thinking went, old news. There were exceptions to this practice and by the '80's, technology advanced to the point that they could extend their deadlines. The '86 series was covered for two consecutive weeks. (Rice and Carter play at the plate and then Ray Knight).
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 01:48 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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SI revealed if Sox had won in 5 in 86, next cover would've been Magic Johnson & Jack Nicholson. Guess curse of Bambino not so big a deal yet.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 01:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I was just gonna post this. Here's the cover that got bumped off and never was.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 02:56 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Good job. I see that you adjusted the colors to give that photo the Topps 1962 patina. By the way, the original Botz photo I posted is not a Topps shot. I found it on the web a few years ago and saved it to my PC.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 03:26 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Thnx. It don't suck. I've been getting good at colorization. It can be a bitch. That's the first color correction deal. Ironic that the color I have most trouble with is the Met blue (I always want to make it a more royal blue for some reason). And skin tones of course. The colorization of the Bunning perfecto pic is...well, I'm working it and every time I look at it I get one a those wow moments. Kinda surprised there isn't a colorization of that out there already.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 03:28 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Someone's been doin' some heavy lifting with that Botz photo.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 03:36 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
116$ Come on, Botz had to buy that himself, lol.
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G-Fafif Sep 08 2013 04:09 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Your colorization makes everything just a touch otherworldly. Feels very signature.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 06:26 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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themetfairy Sep 08 2013 07:11 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That looks like Dave Kingman.
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 07:32 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I don't know if people who do it regular would agree, but my goal is to make it so no one even notices its been colored. And so far, thats been next to impossible. I'm getting close tho, some turning out better than others. Which skin tone looks most correct? I imagine this is an individual taste kinda thing. Over the years I've noticed I see colors more vividly than other people - not quite Van Goghish but in that direction.
dag-blam-bastid Man From Topps.
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Edgy MD Sep 08 2013 09:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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In the midst of a four-team season. I wonder who the last guy to play on that many big-league teams in a season is.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 08 2013 09:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The next clue is in this anagram: A Citi Field Hookworm Intro
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Zvon Sep 08 2013 10:33 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Btw, thats like a poll question for everyone. I don't totally trust my eyes after working a pic for a long time. And let me rephrase the question: Which skin tone looks more like it would in a photograph? (In the Wes pics above^) See this Casey, I'm not sure. It's a cross between close and, if I was making a wax likeness of him for Madame Tussauds, perfect.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 12:11 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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And I forgot to mention that the traveling Padre was a Met.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 12:19 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 05:37 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Big Jim Bibby.
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 05:39 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Hi (Randy) Bobb.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:51 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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A Citi Field Hookworm Intro is an anagram for On A Rookie Card With Tim Foli
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 11:14 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Though Bibby and Bobb never appeared in a game for the NY Mets, they were both on the active 25 man roster, either in the dugout or in the bullpen, in uniform and eligible to play. They just never got the call. Who are the other Mets in this club?
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:17 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:17 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:18 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:18 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:22 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 11:22 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Try and find a photo of one of these cotton-pickin' Mets.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 11:22 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Never mind.
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:24 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:25 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
That's as many as I can recall offhand. I know Wilbur Huckle is a matter of conjecture in this department.
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 11:27 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Cotton and Hansen fictitiously honored, along with the man who would've sold the shirts right off their backs, June 10, 2008.
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dinosaur jesus Sep 09 2013 01:09 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I'd say number 1, though it could use maybe just a little more yellow. Number 2 is a bit too rosy. And number 3 might be the one if you took the saturation down a touch. But they're all pretty damn convincing.
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Edgy MD Sep 09 2013 01:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Number two speaks of a spring training complexion. It gets my vote.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 02:34 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 09 2013 03:04 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Is that Dave Marshall? OE, I think not. Marshall was an outfielder and this guy looks like a pitcher.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 09 2013 04:16 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Dave Roberts. (Got the Twice clue).
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Zvon Sep 09 2013 04:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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thnx guys. I'm gonna try 3 with a sat tone down. That might look more like the skin tones on that years cards too. 1 with a little yellow might have the same effect. I see now, on the 66 Topps, Wes's skin was a tad to the orange side. I personally agree with you Edge, 2 looks most spring ruddy. I'll just try all those tweaks you mentioned DJ. That's the fun of it. The Jim Bibby pic is excellent!
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 05:32 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Dave Roberts was, (and probably still is) a lefty.
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dinosaur jesus Sep 09 2013 05:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He might still be, but not in this life. Mr. Roberts passed away a few years ago.
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Edgy MD Sep 09 2013 09:27 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I was expecting Met Hunter to be the one to swoop in with the necrological fact clarifyin'.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 09:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 09 2013 10:42 PM |
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MFS62 Sep 09 2013 09:57 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Is the righty Dick Selma?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:10 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 09 2013 10:14 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Bob Miller. Guy above I thought maybe Doug Rader but after google'n him to see, no.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:19 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Sep 09 2013 10:26 PM |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I said he was a pitcher. The Red Rooster manned the hot corner.
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Zvon Sep 09 2013 10:23 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I don't read I just look at the pictures. Oh. K, Ill read too. The Red Rooster,lol.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:25 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Plus, Rader never played for the Mets. You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:30 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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G-Fafif Sep 09 2013 10:36 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The late Jay Kleven.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Oh yeah. He died. I knew that too.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 09 2013 10:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I doubt I'd do any better. I followed the team real hard in the early 70's and I have no idea who that is. update: Kleven? Never heard of him.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 09 2013 10:59 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
"No, man. Seriously. Scotty was supposed to beam Kirk and Spock onto Quanzar 29 but messed up from all
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Edgy MD Sep 10 2013 06:01 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
What the... Nice.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 10 2013 07:00 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Looks like he's using Jerry Grote's bat.
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cooby Sep 10 2013 09:04 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
What a great thread! I need to visit here more
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 10:47 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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OK, just this once, a Who Am I? featuring a player who never belonged to the Mets. You won't find this extremely well known pitcher on Dodger cardboard. You'd be lucky to even find a photograph of the guy in Dodger Blue. Unless you're The Man From Topps.
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cooby Sep 10 2013 10:59 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Chuck Connors
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 11:31 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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You make the call.
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cooby Sep 10 2013 11:45 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Ha! Didn't really think so...just a guess
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 12:01 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Though he never belonged to the Mets, you might say that the Mets belonged to him.
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Zvon Sep 10 2013 12:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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LoL! I'm not caught up on Breaking Bad so this is a rare instance where I hope that's a spoiler.
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HahnSolo Sep 10 2013 12:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Would the Sadecki spot still be around today? I know they tore down Al Lang and put up a new one, wondered if maybe the neighboring fields were still there.
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Zvon Sep 10 2013 01:16 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Father of the '64 fathers day perfecto, Jim Bunning, US Senator.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 01:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 01:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 10 2013 01:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Pat Zachary. Those Padres are stumpers. I wish all we had to know was the guys face. Yes! I know his face. It belongs to him! WINNER!
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Edgy MD Sep 10 2013 01:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
The Biblical prophet Zachariah.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 05:30 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It's Dick Selma
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 10 2013 05:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 10 2013 05:59 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Jesus (Ass-ooose) Alou
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Zvon Sep 10 2013 06:09 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That's a clown anagram bro! lol. I missed this answer. GJ on getting the Bobb G.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 12:00 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 11 2013 01:36 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Koolest hat comic style airbrush ever. Off the top of my head without checking I wanna say Brent Strom. But I'm pretty sure I got the last name wrong.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 01:38 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Met Hunter Sep 11 2013 09:50 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Jesus Alou
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Edgy MD Sep 11 2013 09:54 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Coach Phil Cavaretta, the only Met to wear 50 before Sid Fernandez.
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Met Hunter Sep 11 2013 09:57 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Dave Roberts
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 10:54 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 11 2013 11:02 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
That's Bob Miller! Or, prodigal Bob Miller.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 11:05 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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See what I did with double X rated? Get it? Double ex? Double ex-met? lolololol
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 11:09 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That's Dave Roberts, who throws left and signs left. He was Cy Young caliber in 1971 and an under the radar sleeper stealth draft pick if you ever played the 1971 Strat-O-Matic set. He had a crappy W-L record that year because the '71 Padres were one of the most offensively inept teams to come around in the last 50 years.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 11:34 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 11:45 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 11 2013 11:46 AM |
Hatless on Crazy Hat Day
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themetfairy Sep 11 2013 11:45 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Felix Millan
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Zvon Sep 11 2013 01:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Damn, I knew that face. I knew he was a D.R. !
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themetfairy Sep 11 2013 03:07 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Was I right?
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Zvon Sep 11 2013 06:36 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Yes you are. GJ TMF :)
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themetfairy Sep 11 2013 09:05 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Thanks - I'd like to think that I set the speed record for this thread :)
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 11 2013 09:12 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Met Hunter Sep 11 2013 10:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Dave Schneck
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G-Fafif Sep 12 2013 12:23 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I believe that structure and its out-of-the-frame twin are known as the Lute Barn(e)s.
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G-Fafif Sep 12 2013 12:26 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Twice in the last two season I've met historically well-informed younger Mets fans who persist in referring to Mee-yan as "Mil-lahn." (The veteran narrator of the audio version of my first book did the same.)
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 10:58 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It's Bob L. Miller, the '69 mid-season Indian.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 11:00 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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If you've got the time, we've got the Bob. Miller Bob. It was Miller Time.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 11:10 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 11:19 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 11:24 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Is that a real beard?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 11:31 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Try and pull it off and you'll find out.
Which one are you talkin' about? The b&w with Staub and Milner or The Man From Topps shot?
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 11:37 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Both actually, because I've never seen either before. But the quality of the Shneck stands out.
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 01:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
so is that what we are gonna call it? The Sadeki Spot? I like it, though I think of it as the Westrum Wing of the facility.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 01:35 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 01:37 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 01:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Which picture?
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 01:41 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 01:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
And that guys name is Lute? Not Luke?(yea, I'm takin notes)
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 01:48 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It's hard to tell from the Lute Barnes photo. But the Mets had a white clubhouse there with what looked like aluminum siding. That clubhouse was there from when the Mets moved in in 1962. The clubhouse might be the white structure in the Barnes photo.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 01:50 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The structure in the Barnes photo might also be a trailer, as you suggest. I see that it's raised. (perhaps on wheels?)
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 01:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I noticed it was up off the ground, but I guess every structure down there is. I was curious if it was mobile, possibly screwing up the consistent nature of the Sadeki Spot.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 01:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Here's one partial view of the clubhouse. There are better views, especially from the Stengel years.
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 02:01 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 02:36 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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A Randy Bobb sighting! On the Mets 32 man roster!
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Edgy MD Sep 12 2013 02:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I like those little outlines of the channels in the rounded-corner rectangles to look like tiny TV screens. I'm trying to remember the distinction between the black number on the white background vs. the white on black. Was one network and the other local? One VHF and the other UHF?
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 02:48 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I love seeing shit like that^ Something like that Edge. I have an old TV guide somewhere. Bought the one for the week I was born, on the in O.C. boardwalk for a few bucks.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 02:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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UHF was every channel above 13. I can't think of the word for it but the channels in the white background weren't available, at least in the NYC area. Or sometimes they'd come in with heavy snow, ghost imaged, and without sound. But usually, those were dead channels. VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 02:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 12 2013 03:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Out of town channels. That's what the white background channels were.
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 03:10 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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SteveJRogers Sep 12 2013 06:31 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Personally I'm kinda shocked they really did that in newspaper TV listings! I saw a bit on Cheers where it had to be done for the sake of the plot of the episode (during the 1994 strike the local station ran classic games, and one of the character notices that Sam Malone did come into the game as a relief pitcher) but never thought they really did run full rosters and such.
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Zvon Sep 12 2013 08:06 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Just came across a '68 card of his. That's Larry Miller. I pictured him, from that photo, to have a full head of hair. He doesn't.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 13 2013 07:46 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Oh man, and in the pre-remote control days, there was that dial that my sisters would spin through so quickly that it would eventually break and we'd need pliers to turn the knob! I remember 2 was CBS, 4 was NBC, 7 was ABC, 9 was WOR, and 11 was WPIX, with 13 being public television -- which Billy Joel immortalized in "Pressure," one of his cool New York references. But what were channel 5's letters?
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Edgy MD Sep 13 2013 08:04 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Yeah, but you could get signals on channels 3, 6, 8 and 10 but switching the VHF channel there, and squirrling around with the UHF channel.
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G-Fafif Sep 13 2013 09:21 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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WNEW.
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Mets – Willets Point Sep 13 2013 09:32 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Growing up in Connecticut I can tell that channel 3 was a CBS affiliate from Hartford and channel 8 was an ABC affiliate from New Haven. The Connecticut NBC affiliate was a UHF'er on channel 30. These came through fuzzy for us as we got better signals from New York City.
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G-Fafif Sep 13 2013 09:43 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
In the '70s, NBC shows would be listed in the Metro NY TV Guide as airing on Channels 4 and 20, 20 getting the clear-TV screen treatment. Try as I might, I never got 20 to come in on the South Shore of Long Island. Now and again you could pick up 3 or 8. I loved that the Mets were important enough to have a channel in Connecticut airing their games.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 13 2013 09:51 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
We could get 8 from New Haven, but even their non-network programming was similar to 7 so little need.
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Mets – Willets Point Sep 13 2013 10:57 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Yeah, they were the basically the same except for the local news.
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Edgy MD Sep 13 2013 11:37 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Anybody? The batter would seemingly be Agee, his body looking perhaps a little more slender with his torso twisted in full torque. But I can't come up with an Agee-on-the-Mets-era catcher whose name ended in NDA and wore a number ending in zero.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 01:03 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Channel 5 was Creature Features and Horror Hotel, the scariest movie I ever saw as a seven or eight year old. [youtube]_4Mb60KMOJc[/youtube]
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 01:12 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 01:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 01:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 01:22 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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themetfairy Sep 13 2013 01:28 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Is that Art Shamsky?
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themetfairy Sep 13 2013 01:28 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The Franchise. Duh
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Zvon Sep 13 2013 02:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I wanna say Gene Clines for that one.
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Zvon Sep 13 2013 02:05 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That's a surprisingly great quality copy of the theme. Christopher Lee is the only name I could read in the credits. That other one can't be Jill St. John, can it?
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dgwphotography Sep 13 2013 02:26 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Why do I get the feeling he's eyeing M. Donald Grant in the stands?
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Zvon Sep 13 2013 05:53 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Bob Botz's back.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 05:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Super! Duper!
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 08:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Remember how we weren't sure whether or not Botz is standing at the Sadecki spot? Well I think he is. If you look very closely, you could see the outline of that metal street light lamp post buried or camouflaged in the tree foliage over Botz's left shoulder.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 13 2013 08:24 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 13 2013 11:55 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Trees still don't line up. Bob Botz lies!
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Met Hunter Sep 14 2013 09:03 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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This is Tommie Reynolds.
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Met Hunter Sep 14 2013 09:07 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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This looks like Tom Sturdivant.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 14 2013 11:49 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 14 2013 11:57 AM |
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Reynolds's first name was spelled "Tommy" instead of "Tommie" on his 1967 Topps proof. So Topps decided to airbrush the last two letters of his first name -- thus the unusual gap between his first and last name on the final version of the card.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 14 2013 11:52 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/sturdivant.html
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 15 2013 11:26 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
You could see the white clubhouse structure in this photo that ran alongside today's NYT piece on the Mets clipboard giveaway. Is that the Sadecki spot behind Maz?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2013 11:22 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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This might be the only color picture of Shamsky in an Oakland uniform on the web. And if it's not the only one, it might be the best one. He was with the A's for about two weeks. In 1972.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2013 11:22 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2013 11:23 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The declining Gene Clines.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2013 11:26 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Miller's only two Topps cards below. His '69 card, like many others from that set, used a picture from the photo sessions for the '65 set. He's wearing a Dodger uniform on his Mets card. (the road uniform lacks piping). His best Topps photos are in the archives.
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Zvon Sep 16 2013 12:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It must have been Millers '65 card. I was making '65s last week and googling the set. I do think Mazz can be considered a member of the SS club. SS behind and to his left. To his right, the clubhouse and some kids. Mazz with the bird bomb. Show me a non Met who infiltrated that spot somehow. That be something.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 16 2013 12:50 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Close, but not really. St. Louis Cardinal Ken Boyer with Bob L. Miller, in his brand new Mets uniform (Feb. 25, 1962) Boyer wasn't exactly a visitor -- the Cards shared the facility with the Mets. And that's the clubhouse, not the Sadecki Spot.
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Zvon Sep 16 2013 01:08 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
If we shared the place for awhile there has got to be pics of Card players around the spot, I would think.
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G-Fafif Sep 16 2013 01:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 26 2013 09:43 AM |
[youtube]leohcvmf8kM[/youtube]
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Zvon Sep 16 2013 02:05 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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lol,thats classic.
Best^
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G-Fafif Sep 16 2013 02:16 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Glad you liked that.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 16 2013 02:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
lolololol
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 11:14 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The best way to read this post is with the music playing.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 11:16 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 11:20 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 11:24 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
"With these powerful eyeglasses, I can see that one day, I'll be a furshlugginer NY Met".
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Mets – Willets Point Sep 17 2013 11:54 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
What is a Sadecki Spot and can we discuss it in mixed company?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 12:05 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Start reading beginning on page four of this thread.
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Zvon Sep 17 2013 01:25 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Haven't you run Bob Miller out here before?
That's big Frank Howard.
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Mets – Willets Point Sep 17 2013 01:28 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I tried that first and still couldn't figure it out.
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Zvon Sep 17 2013 03:09 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
It's the thing coming out of Clendenons ass.
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Met Hunter Sep 17 2013 03:11 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Gary Kolb
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 17 2013 03:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I got to meet Big Frank when he made an appearance at a West Michigan Whitecaps game. The team has "Tiger Fridays" where they give out a bobblehead of a former Tiger and the player is there to sign autographs. Howard looked kind of frail, and was missing a chunk of one of his ear lobes -- I'm guessing skin cancer, but don't know for sure -- and was possibly the nicest guy ever to everyone there. I asked him to sign my Mets history book, and he said the years in New York were the best of his life.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2013 08:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I met Hondo too one time. He was touring liquor stores in the Mid-Atlantic states as a spokesman for Jim Beam. I was a cub newspaper reporter with a camera determined to get a story, he answered a few questions but made sure to thank the good folks at Jim Beam like he was a Nascar driver. He ruined every candid I tried to snap by turning and facing me with a huge shit-eating grin. Opined that the difference between the best and worst teams in the league was "2 or 3 players." He was really charming, gave me a signed Jim Beam baseball I kept on my desk for years.
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Zvon Sep 17 2013 08:31 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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A Jim Beam baseball?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 17 2013 08:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
A baseball with a Jim Beam logo on it
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dinosaur jesus Sep 17 2013 08:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
A Jim Beam baseball: twelve ounces of Jim Beam, a dash of Campari, and a Frank Howard autographed baseball. Shake gently and serve over shaved ice.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 08:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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In baseball especially, I always believed this to be true. And that's comparing the best to worst -- teams that might be separated by as many as 30-35 games in the final standings. I secretly believe (not so secret anymore, I guess) that the difference between two teams 10 or even 15 games apart in the standings is very negligible, with sheer random luck usually accounting for most of the gap.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 17 2013 09:13 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
You probably wouldn't be able to guess who this former Met is even if I gave you his name.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 18 2013 07:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 18 2013 07:58 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 18 2013 09:24 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I'll concede to the lead off man. So we have the evolution of the Spot. I move that Sadecki keeps title of the spot until some one else is pictured there twice. Then we will have to put it to the people for vote. Three times takes the title. Whoa on that pic of a grey Grote! Thats a good close up. The #6 guy looks a little like Millan. But he never wore 6. hmm. So theres water on the one side, looks like it could be a cement area, parking lot maybe, on the other side. I'm gonna make a diorama of the spot.
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Edgy MD Sep 19 2013 08:54 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Considering that Ray was the answer to last night's trivia question and it seemingly stumped the entire booth until Gary came in at the end with a Sadecki guess that he had no faith in. All hail Sadecki. Something should be named after him. Everybody with more than 600 innings should have some eternal honor.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 19 2013 10:04 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
"Like I can't do whatever Sadecki can do"!
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 19 2013 10:06 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Edgy MD Sep 19 2013 10:09 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Not lefthanded, hotshot.
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 11:29 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I'll be damned! Well, Seaver has plenty of things named after him. The stadium, the road near the stadium, that area in the park, the,...wait! None of them have been named after him! This is gonna put Tom over the Top. But he can only go on one of these cards. You make the call. Which looks kooler?
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 11:31 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The Glass Menagerie? The Glass Cage?
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 01:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
This guy was a Met. Not a Met player. Played for the Braves for 10 years. Managed a Met minor league team. Was a coach on the big club for a few years.
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HahnSolo Sep 19 2013 01:57 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
That would be Bruce Benedict.
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 02:01 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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first case of clap I could find^
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 02:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
This one might not be fair because you can't really see his face. But he has been named in this thread so I'll throw it up. Played for the Mets. According to the caption to this photo, which I've learned in many instances can be wrong with these online photo places, this is that ex-Met player pitching batting practice for the Dodgers in 1973. Who is he? His name is in this thread somewhere.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 19 2013 02:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Glass and McGraw were photographed on the same day, probably no more than minutes apart. In both photos, the cage door is open at the precise same angle; there's the same rock/object on the ground at the same location near the cage door; and there's the same streak in the sky, maybe from an airplane.
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Edgy MD Sep 19 2013 02:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I'm pretty sure the object is a glove. I'd say that the jetstream could be from a different plane on the same route. But there's also the same pair of figures over the shoulder. I'd guess that these guys posed pretty much consecutively.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Sep 19 2013 03:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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This card always had me wondering. Why is the background at an angle? If Tom was leaning, why straighten him out?
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 04:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
When I'm making the cards I usually end up searching for pics. Now I look to see if the spot is around. I usually run into one. Or two or three.
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Zvon Sep 19 2013 04:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That is an incredible observation. Yep, same jet trail, people,...they must have lined up for the spot.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2013 10:41 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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themetfairy Sep 20 2013 10:56 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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John Milner. I recognized him even without you giving away his nickname.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2013 02:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That doesn't look like anything like Chris Cannizzaro but he was the only one-time Met on that team. Valentine was on the Angels in '73. I wonder if the Dodgers would've retired Gil's number had they remained in Brooklyn?
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Met Hunter Sep 20 2013 02:52 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Tom Paciorek was on that team too. Doesn't look like him either.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2013 02:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I forgot about Paciorek. Can you blame me?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2013 04:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2013 04:12 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2013 04:15 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Are the stands the same in both photos? What about the clubhouse in the background?
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Zvon Sep 20 2013 05:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Wow. And the stands. Excellent Milner pic. The poles behind him. They look like they are part of a fence, but I can't see the fencing part. In any case, why would a fence be there? If Milner is off to the side of the Clendenon corner that fence pole is an accident waiting to happen.
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Zvon Sep 20 2013 05:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The caption says it's Chris Cannizzarro. I figure the odds of it being correct, especially with the fact he played there then, is 75%. Some of these captions at the photo agencies are all fkd up and wrong more than I ever would have expected. They're are always trying to pass off 73 post season photos as '69 WS pics.
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Zvon Sep 20 2013 05:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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ha, I like this^. Yep, and the water on the left. If I know the Mets they just added the middle fence beam for more support, as opposed to buying a whole new fence. Come on. Its the Mets. Yep, probably when they added the cage of mysterious doings, because I'm still not sure what they do in there. Has to be hit I figure. Looks kinda tight for that though.
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Zvon Sep 21 2013 09:35 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:32 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:37 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 22 2013 01:42 AM |
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That's Craig. That's Butterball Field. And in my next coupla posts, I'm gonna prove that the 1962 version of Butterball Field underwent renovations, including a back and side fence change and a cage addition .... and that The Sadecki Spot is located on Butterball Field. The same Butterball Field that Roger Craig is photographed at, above. This is so exciting. I can't wait.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:41 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 22 2013 01:45 AM |
Here's Jim Hickman at Butterball Field (c. 1962). It's the original field,without the cage, and with the original taller back fence that doesn't have that horizontal middle beam/pipe/bar/whateveryoucallit dividing the back fence in half, more or less.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:45 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Here's Dick Young ('64) sitting by the water fountain. A lot of the shrubbery that was once behind him is now gone. The area behind Young is now a paved parking lot.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:51 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 22 2013 01:56 AM |
And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:52 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I'm giving myself one of these clappers.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:53 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
The water fountain in badge man silhouette.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 02:06 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 22 2013 11:40 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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lol, we are nutz. But this is exciting. After seeing the first pic I thought "how can he know thats a water fountain? Looks more like a bird bath." But the other pics show it is for a fact. These are fantastic finds bats. I have no idea who the guy with Rocky is. Looking at TUMD for a possible name I'll take a crazy wild guess with Peter LaMotte, team trainer. No pic of him there. That's Young with his typewriter? He's as crazy as us. Guess its not too strange though. These days he'd have his laptop. He was ahead of his time and obviously a serious writer. I'm pretty sure I have a shot of Casey sitting on one a those benches. The water fountain, the benches, the clubhouse, parking lot and water, fence and cage. That little corner of the world is getting bigger.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:01 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That's the Mets 1964 Media Guide on the ground next to Young.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 01:02 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
"I got naming right dibs on that water fountain. It first appeared in this thread in one of my photos".
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Zvon Sep 22 2013 01:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
You got it.
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Zvon Sep 22 2013 03:22 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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This is outta left field and probably wrong, but I just saw something at FAFIF about the old Odd Couple movie. I don't know why he'd be down in Florida, but could that other guy be Walter Matthau? Could this be Butterballs mound? I could put Dallas Green anywhere in the wide wide world of sports and I choose to have him at the Sadecki Spot on his 67 card. That's significant.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 06:31 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 22 2013 06:32 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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How come there aren't any other pictures of that water tower in this thread?
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SteveJRogers Sep 22 2013 07:42 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 22 2013 09:13 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Thats Eddie Kranepool and when I first saw that photo I thought how kool that Kranepool would go out there and check out the scene. Thnx.
No idea. But if my theory is correct that is Clendenon Field behind him and that tower is always directly behind the photographers of the now much documented Sadecki Spot at Butterball field.
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Zvon Sep 22 2013 09:17 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Oh, almost forgot this.
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 02:25 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Well, maybe a little obstructed. Casey was in the way. Lil bit.
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Edgy MD Sep 25 2013 05:26 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
That's some amazin' dream transcription.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 05:56 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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seawolf17 Sep 25 2013 07:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I want to take this thread out behind the middle school bleachers and get it pregnant. An all-time classic.
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 09:20 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Wow. I'm gonna give it ten minutes again on Google Map and see if I can find it.
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 09:28 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I'll tell you one thing, from what I see at Wiki that field has had more history that almost every MLB stadium standing today.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 09:34 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Hint: He was a Rookie of the Year and a four-time all star.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 09:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That could be Butterball Field. The back fence, though, is lower than the fence that was there when the Mets first moved in.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 09:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
This is Miller-Huggins Field, according to the accompanying text --- but where?
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 09:41 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Kool and pretty damn amazin'! I found the field and I'm now on ground level walking and looking around the area. There is only one field there now. The clubhouse is there. Water tower is still there. The water and trees in their right positions. No cage and Butterball Field is the one that didn't make the cut :(
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 09:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I'm an idiot. I was looking around the area by eye, and its hard cause you have to get down low to see if there are baseball fields. So tonight I went to google map and asked for directions from where I live to Stengel-Huggins Field. It took me right there.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 09:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
This could be Butterball Field.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 09:47 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Seaver in a cage. But which cage? And where cage?
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 09:48 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Those trees in rows are a good sign. I've seen them in many photos from the area and I wasn't sure in which direction they were running.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 09:49 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Larry Bearnarth and Jay Hook eyeballing each other at the clubhouse.
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 09:59 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I've been doing some research and I have to say:
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 25 2013 10:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I've looked at this Mets photo of Jay Hook and catchers Landrith, Cannizzaro and Ginsberg many times. I even posted it to this forum a few years ago in a pitchers/catchers countdown to Spring training thread. And now, thanks to this thread, with just a sliver of background detail -- the fence with the diagonal beam and the cement water fountain base, I know exactly where in the Mets sprawling Spring training complex this picture was taken.
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 10:12 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Wow,kool. Whats the name of the freakin fountain already?
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Zvon Sep 25 2013 10:27 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
This might be the light pole beyond the fence at Butterball Field, known for the Sadecki Spot ,L.Millers Cage, and site of Stengels bench. I can only look in from the road and there are no others directly around the area. I can see the water tower beyond to the left, out of frame. I'll post more pics tomorrow.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2013 07:56 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Are you kidding me? All week long, I've The B-52's Love Shack song stuck in my head.
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Vic Sage Sep 26 2013 08:32 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
who am I?
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Zvon Sep 26 2013 08:21 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Hey guys! Lets take a road trip! A google road trip! Come on, come with me! I'm gonna go find the Sadecki Spot!!
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dinosaur jesus Sep 26 2013 09:09 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Google voyeurism. I love it.
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Zvon Sep 26 2013 09:54 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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It's not Jesse.
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dinosaur jesus Sep 26 2013 09:57 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Jesse would be like five years old in that picture, so I'm guessing it's not him. But he and Ginsberg would make a great separated-at-birth battery.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2013 11:22 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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That looks like Clendenon Field and the clubhouse. Butterball Field is now right field. The adjacent infields are now one big field. Looks like the stands are gone, too.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2013 11:36 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Here's the water tower in 1962. I've had this photo for a while and always assumed that the structure was some observation tower for the coaches to view the activity on the field from above.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 26 2013 11:45 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2013 09:31 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2013 09:34 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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HahnSolo Sep 27 2013 09:42 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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the un-lovely Teddy Martinez?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 27 2013 09:44 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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dgwphotography Sep 27 2013 01:32 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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There is something about the look of kodachrome that just can't be duplicated today...
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Zvon Sep 27 2013 01:40 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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A giant metal spiral stair coach tower. lol. If only the Mets had such an imagination. These pictures are great. Well, the Met ones. The others are okay. Looks like I'm gonna have to remake an early 60s Kranepool, though maybe that can be his '68 card. I'll have to do a sideburn check.
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Zvon Sep 27 2013 01:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
In the recreation of Butterball Field I have taken some liberties. I'm not sure, but after scoping it out I figure they had to move the light pole. The reconstructed picture will be reflecting this change. If you think I'm wrong, and I very well could be, speak your mind before I post the remake. I hope to get it up tonight during the game.
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Met Hunter Sep 28 2013 03:33 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Joe Grzenda.
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Edgy MD Sep 28 2013 07:54 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Sorry about anything I said about Josh Satin's eyebrows.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 08:05 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Grzenda wore a Senators cap on his Cards card. He was a Toppless Met, but appeared in a Mets uniform on his Twins card.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 08:45 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Encore!
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 05:43 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
I found some good old pics. All say that they are taken at Miller Huggins Field. I'm only interested in the ones that show similarities to when the Mets were there. Yanks moved in to play thier springs there in 1924. The water tower went up in 1925. Things like that water tower, the fountain, the cage, the lake, the tree, that kinda stuff is what I'm looking for. I have found some pre-60s stuff that don't have any of those markers, but are still worth posting.
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 06:00 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 06:39 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
Now see, this is supposed to be The Babe and Lou Gehrig (pretty sure that's Huggins too) at Huggins Field. I don't doubt that it is, and its kool they played there, but there are no connections to the Mets days. It doesn't interest me.
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Edgy MD Sep 28 2013 07:41 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 08:19 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
The Mets and Yankees never occupied the field together as far as I know. When each did they would take cabs from Huggins Field to where they were playing. Al Lang field was one place they played alot.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 10:03 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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This is really coming along. Excellent work! That orange outfield fence is new. I'll post pictures of that fence during the Mets era later on. I thought the Sadecki spot was a lot closer to the cage.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 10:05 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 10:14 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 10:19 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The Rays left Miller-Huggins Field in 1999. That was an old pic of the Rays groundskeeper mowing the field. http://www.sptimes.com/News/121299/Sout ... _wit.shtml
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 28 2013 10:19 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 10:34 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
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Whoa,wow.
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 10:40 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
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Awesome pictures.
That's Tommy Moore.
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 10:51 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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The orange fence thing is just the existing outfield fence mirrored to fit there. Wasn't sure what was there. Those rows of trees? A fence--I can tell now which pictures are that area in the background. I've got a much better idea what is over in that direction now. It should not be that fence and warning track. This is another view of how it looked in 2008. I'm looking for a picture of the place when both fields were there. They appear to be very rare.
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Zvon Sep 28 2013 11:02 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
This is the view Casey had from the bench.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 01:34 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 29 2013 01:48 AM |
Harrelson's 1977 Topps card i/f/o cage.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 01:37 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
Charley Neal. Butterball Field. The clubhouse. The water fountain. But no cage.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 01:38 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Recreation of Butterball Fi |
Swoboda (his body blocking the clubhouse), the cage and the stands.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 01:50 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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themetfairy Sep 29 2013 05:58 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Bud Harrelson
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 09:23 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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dinosaur jesus Sep 29 2013 10:24 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
This is really great. If you put your findings out in a pamphlet, I would seriously buy it. Though I guess picture rights would be a problem.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 10:24 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Is that a door in the fence in between Zimmer's legs?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 10:27 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Pamphlet? Pffft. Me and Zvon are gonna shop the movie rights. You know anyone who can play Joe Moock?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 10:32 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Buddy must be country. 'Cause I heard that he does a mean cover of I Never Promised You a Rose Garden.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 11:06 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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At least he could do at least one thing right. Sign his name. Marvelous Marvin Throneberry
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 11:19 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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If it was, and I do think you are right, I'd have to swivel Butterball Field even more. Or else right field disappears into the lake. Which is certainly possible, though I thought unlikely. Read a story where Babe Ruth was playing right and came in to the dugout in the middle of an inning. Huggins said "What are you doing?" and Ruth said, " I'm not going back out there. An alligator came out of that lake." So it's certainly possible that a portion of right field ran right into the lake, before fences, and the field can be moved without having to swivel it. More recent pictures also have me questioning the fields position between its third base line and the cage. Also, the cage's actual position, which may have been a little more back towards the home plate area along that fence. This pic makes the cage look like it goes back further than I thought.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 12:58 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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The last time I spoke to Bud he was managing the L.I. Ducks and I asked him if he still played guitar. He says, "Yea! You wanna jam?"
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 01:06 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
This, I think, is a view of Huggins field from under my water tower. 1920's, no specific year given.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 01:29 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Many pictures out there like this, that show the old lay of the land, in this case the Huggins Field outfield area, left to center.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 01:43 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
This is a neat lil news segment about the park.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 03:33 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I forgot to address this. That's a cement path that runs outside the outfield. Placing the new field, which was a copy and (then flipped and manipulated) paste of Higgins, cut off the path and I just left it that way. If I was to update the big picture (btw, the original of the recreated field is a HUGE image) I would remove all that, including the current outfield wall. My main priority was to see how both fields looked in place. I hope to find more pics with details and we are doing great in the finding part. The stuff you come up with, it's amazin' I haven't run across those photos in my searches. That's making this loads of fun, all these rare pics.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 05:49 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 06:09 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yea, some of these I thought were from a different field down there. If you mean the Met in the recreation, who else would it be?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 29 2013 06:14 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I meant, who is this guy? The Mets doing push-ups in the Leifer shot below -- where do you think they're facing? I think they're facing home plate at Butterball Field.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 06:22 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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This is the recreation with actual names I have discovered. Calling the field close to the lake Stengel Field is my assumption. No official name for the water tower. The mural painted on it is by a local artist named Tom Stovall. From this link: [url]http://www.crescentlake.net/water-tower.html
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 08:54 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The internet is a wonderful thing. It's like having a gigantic library that takes weeks to search through on your lap. From Baseball Fever.com in a thread about all the fields Babe Ruth played on.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 09:20 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I've been searching through google. I found this through bing. Googles always been good to me but bing is coming on strooong.
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Zvon Sep 29 2013 09:25 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Damn. Picasa has been shrinking my pictures on me. This is the same picture posted from my photobucket.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2013 09:25 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
In this Tug McGraw photo previously posted to this thread, you can see a rectangular white sign where the back chain link fence runs lower.
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Zvon Sep 30 2013 01:11 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Leroy Stanton?
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Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 01:12 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The right field line in the upper field looks like it's about 220 feet.
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Zvon Sep 30 2013 01:47 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I wonder if that was by design or necessary. If the Mets had put the field there I'd think it was by design, but it was already there. The Polo Grounds dimensions^. The second field was there in 1956. I wonder when it was installed. The Giants did play at Stengel- Huggins. lil bit.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2013 06:12 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
You could see from the photo below that the parking lot at Butterball Field on the other side of the cage was there before the Mets moved in. But from some of the early Stengel era Mets photos of that area, the parking lot looks like a dense forest.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2013 06:15 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Here's another clubhouse. It was there in the '60's, during Al Jackson's stint. And it was there in the mid-70's, when Jack Heidemann was a Met. But where?
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2013 06:27 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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The conical structure in the Glass and Tug images -- does that structure appear at the extreme left side of the Jackson photo?
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Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 08:00 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
My impression is that the outfield wall goes with the bottom field. The top field is for infield practice only.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 30 2013 08:32 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
My impression is that Jack Heidemann brings a lot of wild sex to a pretend swing for the cameras.
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Zvon Sep 30 2013 08:51 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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In spring training he always carted around his own wind machine just for this effect. Without the machine his hair was dull and lifeless.
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Zvon Sep 30 2013 08:58 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I imagine that's a totally different practice field. And yes, that thing sticking up looks to be the thing in the Jackson photo. It would be just like the Mets to have something like that sticking up for no apparent reason. Look for a list of all the places the Mets practice. I like how we thoroughly investigated Butterball Field. And we can look into this one. But first, where is Sadecki now? And what's that batting cage behind him. And what's he been smokin'? I bet that cage has some history. Hmmmm, I wonder....
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2013 11:21 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Okay. And until we figure out what and where it is, I'm calling it The Forbidden Zone.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 30 2013 11:29 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I figured out what that line in the grass is, that's angling towards the Butterball infield. It's the 1st base/right field foul line at Clendenon Field.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 10:06 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Best view ever of the cage at Butterball Field -- before the cage was there.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 10:10 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 10:15 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 10:17 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I think I've put my finger on why Theodore didn't have a longer career.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 10:18 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 10:21 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I think Swannie could give Heidemann a run for his $$ in the category of best Met porn star mustache.
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 10:29 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Porn or not, the dude knows how to rolf.
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Zvon Oct 01 2013 02:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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From a few pages back:
So I agree with you on that. The list from Wiki says that from 1968 to 1987 the Mets practiced at Naimoli Field. Am I forbidden to say that could be the forbidden zone? This pic: Just wow. Full frontal!
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 08:50 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Zimmer and the Rays at The Forbidden Zone with the clubhouse with the balcony -- since re-painted in Devil Rays green. Zimmer is the first person to be pictured in this thread at Butterfield Ball and at The Forbidden Zone.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 01 2013 09:08 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Jesse Orosco
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SteveJRogers Oct 01 2013 09:10 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Armando Reynoso?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 01 2013 09:11 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Bill Virdon
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 09:22 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Oct 01 2013 09:23 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Could that be Buzz Capra?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 09:25 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Okay. Here's the ultimate trivia question. I'm gonna need the answer, and good proof. What uniform number did Butterball wear with the Mets during Spring Training, 1962?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 09:25 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 09:31 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That shot was just too sexy for me to look at and think at the same time.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 09:35 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Danny Frisella and wife Pam frolicking at The Forbidden Zone. This could go in the Vintage/Retro Wifey Watch Thread. Do we have one?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 09:37 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
"It's a godammn orgy over at that Forbidden Zone. No wonder it's forbidden".
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Zvon Oct 01 2013 09:38 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Gil McDougald? I'm looking at a list of ROYs and I still can't get it.
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Zvon Oct 01 2013 09:41 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Really? The outfield glove made me think wild guess.
I thought todays players were spoiled. He had a sexy food taster!!
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 09:47 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Oct 01 2013 09:53 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Doable. Start with the water tower and the street and work our way around. I'm not sure about the Cardinal picture but I put it in my Sadecki Spot folder so I hope its Huggins.
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Zvon Oct 01 2013 10:03 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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He wore 45 on the Braves. I'll go with that but I looked pretty hard (meh, 5 minutes, but that's a lot in internet time) and I can't find Metly proof. I have Brave proof. [url]http://mlblogsthesproutingnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bob-botz-braves.jpeg
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 09:57 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Today's Met, Larry Stahl (foreground), Butterball Field (background).
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 09:59 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Dennis Ribant and Jack Fisher at the clubhouse at Butterball Field. The Stengel bench is in view.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 02 2013 10:24 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Where's my double applause for Bill Virdon?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 10:47 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Do we really care who the man is in this photo?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 09:04 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Butterball doesn't strike me as the sort of pitcher who, in 1962, could demand a specific uniform from his team. The reason I'm asking for strong evidence is because I myself don't know the answer. This is a very tough question. Botz's number might be in a Spring Training roster, if the Mets printed one. Botz's photo might've appeared in newspapers when the Mets won their first game ever. But even so, the Mets didn't have uniform numbers on the front of their jerseys in 1962, so a photo of Botz might not be of any help in solving this question.
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Zvon Oct 02 2013 09:23 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Bob lives in Milwaukee. I'll call him up on the tele-phone. I'd feel really bad if he didn't remember though.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 09:27 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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You could also mail him some of those Butterball Mets cards you made, and ask him, by mail, if he remembers what his Met uni # was. He might ask you, in return, what the hell is the Sadecki Spot? And he definitely won't know about the cage, which wasn't installed until 1964.
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Zvon Oct 02 2013 10:26 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Ha. That would be a trip. I have no plans to make these cards in three dimensional form. But I did print out two on glossy paper, even taped the card back to one, and it looked pretty damn kool. That's BobWs thing. But I see what you're saying. Instead of asking for an autograph, ask his uni #. lol. I just might do that. just send him a glossy. He can just shoot me back an Email if possible. I do still accept regular mail. As far as the Sadecki Spot I could always direct him to the page I plan on doing for it at the card site. At first I was going to write it up as a novelty, fun, joke kinda thing. But I think that might be shortchanging a very interesting subject. Now I'm not sure how I'm going to approach it for the blog post.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 10:48 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Seaver and Ryan at Butterball Field. You can see the rectangular white sign in the Seaver photo.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 02 2013 10:55 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Jim Hickman and family. A rare view of the Butterball Field cage from the parking lot.
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Zvon Oct 04 2013 05:02 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Now I'll be running into this clubhouse a lot, I imagine.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 06 2013 12:29 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The Met prospect with his back to the photographer at Butterball Field never made it to the big show. Who is he and where is he now? Playing his french horn? Golf? Something?
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Zvon Oct 06 2013 01:23 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Those shoes. Sid Finch.
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Zvon Oct 06 2013 08:20 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Finally, a good color pic of Salty Parker in a Met uniform! And a Met manager card for him! And its at Butterball Field!
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Edgy MD Oct 07 2013 05:59 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That's some tan on Salty.
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Zvon Oct 07 2013 01:35 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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It's Boehneriffic! So too much orange?
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Zvon Oct 07 2013 03:32 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2013 09:07 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2013 09:10 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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His last name is practically a homonym for the last name of a player who is among the 10 greatest Mets ever.
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G-Fafif Oct 10 2013 09:39 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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Though "Jackie Robinson" is pretty darn close to "Kevin Roberson," I'm going to go with Roy Sievers.
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Zvon Oct 10 2013 11:02 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
So one thing I'm going to try to do is collect all these pics of players posing at the Sadecki Spot. Some part of that corner area of Butterball Field has to be in the pic to qualify.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 11:13 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 11:16 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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The Cisco's are from 1966. Who is the Met below photographed by The Man From Topps on the same day that the Cisco pics were taken?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 11:17 AM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 11:23 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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dinosaur jesus Oct 12 2013 11:44 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Elliott Maddox. I want a red belt like that. My favorite Met memory of Elliott Maddox (actually, it's my only memory) is of him executing a perfect hit and run, hitting the ball through the right side when the second baseman left to cover the base. The next time up, the shortstop covered, and he hit it through the right side. That's great hitting, I thought. This Elliott Maddox is a great hitter.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 12:17 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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He might've been. Blame it on the MFY's. Or on the Mets. MADDOX v. CITY OF NEW YORK 66 N.Y.2d 270 (1985) Elliot Maddox et al., Appellants, v. City of New York et al., Defendants-Respondents and Third-Party Plaintiffs-Respondents. D. Reiner, Inc., Third-Party Defendant-Respondent; New York Yankees, Third-Party Defendant-Respondent and Fourth-Party Plaintiff-Respondent; The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, Fourth-Party Defendant-Respondent. (Action No. 1.) Elliot Maddox, Appellant, v. Thomas Crimmins Contracting Company et al., Respondents. (Action No. 2.) Court of Appeals of the State of New York. Argued October 17, 1985. Decided November 21, 1985. Emilio Nunez, Stephen C. Glasser, Harry H. Lipsig and Pamela Anagnos Liapakis for appellants in both actions. Frederick A. O. Schwarz, Jr., Corporation Counsel (June A. Witterschein and Leonard Koerner of counsel), for City of New York, defendant-respondent and third-party plaintiff-respondent in action No. 1. Marshall D. Sweetbaum for Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc., defendant-respondent and third-party plaintiff-respondent in action No. 1. David T. Fowler, Philip Schlau and Abraham S. Altheim for D. Reiner, Inc., third-party defendant-respondent in action No. 1. Robert F. Saunderson for New York Yankees, third-party defendant-respondent and fourth-party plaintiff-respondent in action No. 1. William R. Ahmuty, III, for The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, fourth-party defendant-respondent in action No. 1. Joanne Redden and John J. Wrenn for Thomas Crimmins Contracting Company, respondent in action No. 2. James L. Fischer, Thomas W. Hyland and Thomas A. Leghorn for U.R.S. Madigan-Praeger, Inc., respondent in action No. 2. Chief Judge WACHTLER and Judges JASEN, SIMONS, KAYE and ALEXANDER concur; Judge TITONE taking no part. MEYER, J. The deposition testimony of plaintiff, a professional baseball player, that he was aware of the wet and muddy condition of the playing field on the night he was injured and of the particular puddle in which he fell, that he had during the game called the attention of the grounds keepers to the fact that there was puddling on the field and had previously commented a couple of times to the baseball club manager when the field was wet, established his awareness of the defect which caused his injury and of the risk involved. His continued participation in the game in light of that awareness constituted assumption of risk as a matter of law, entitling defendants to summary judgment. There should, therefore, be an affirmance, with costs, of the Appellate Division order. I Plaintiff, a member of the New York Yankees team, was injured on June 13, 1975, when he slipped and fell during the ninth inning of a night game with the Chicago White Sox. The game was played at Shea Stadium because Yankee Stadium was then being renovated. Plaintiff testified that he was playing centerfield and was fielding a fly ball hit to right centerfield, that he was running to his left and as he sought to stop running his left foot hit a wet spot and slid, but his right foot stuck in a mud puddle, as a result of which his right knee buckled. The knee injury required three separate surgical procedures and ultimately forced him to retire prematurely from professional baseball. Plaintiff and his wife (hereafter collectively referred to as plaintiff) sued the city, as owner of Shea Stadium, and the Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc., as lessee. In a separate action plaintiff sued the general contractor who built Shea Stadium and the architect and the consulting engineer. Both actions charge that the drainage system was negligently designed, constructed or maintained. Claims over by various defendants were made against the maintenance company for Shea Stadium, the New York Yankees and The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, as employer of the umpires. After consolidation of the actions and after depositions had been taken, four of the defendants and cross claim defendants moved for summary judgment dismissing the complaints on the ground that plaintiff had assumed the risk. Special Term denied the motions, holding that it could be inferred that plaintiff in continuing to play was acting under his superior's instructions and that, therefore, there was an issue of fact to be tried. On appeal to the Appellate Division, that court reversed and dismissed both complaints and all claims over. Noting that plaintiff had admitted that the previous night's game had been canceled because of the weather and poor field conditions, that he had during the game in question observed the centerfield to be "awfully wet" with "some mud" and standing water above the grass line, had reported that condition to a ground crew member, and had presented no evidence of an order from a superior after making the condition known, it held that there remained no triable issue of fact as to plaintiff's assumption of the risk.1 Before us, plaintiff argues that he assumed the risks of the game, not of the playing field, which was in an unreasonably dangerous condition, that the risk had in any event been enhanced, that he had no choice but to continue to play, and that the evidence did not establish his subjective awareness that his foot could get stuck in the mud. For the reasons that follow we disagree with that analysis and, therefore, affirm. II In Arbegast v Board of Educ. (65 N.Y.2d 161), we noted the common law's distinction between express and implied assumption of risk and held that, notwithstanding the adoption in 1975 of CPLR 1411, the plaintiff in that case having admitted "that she had been informed both of the risk of injury and that `the participants were at their own risk'" (id., at p 164), her participation in the games there involved constituted an express agreement on her part to assume the risk, entitling defendant to the direction of a verdict (id., at p 162).2 In the instant case we deal not with express assumption of risk, but with assumption of risk to be implied from plaintiff's continued participation in the game with the knowledge and appreciation of the risk which his deposition testimony spelled out and which established his implied assumption as a matter of law. Plaintiff suggests that our adoption in Basso v Miller (40 N.Y.2d 233) of the single standard of reasonable care somehow transmogrified assumption of the risk into a defense that cannot be asserted until defendants (who, as movants for summary judgment, bear the burden of establishing prima facie their right to judgment) have established their own exercise of reasonable care. The suggestion finds no support in either footnote 2 to the Arbegast decision (at p 166) or in Scaduto v State of New York (56 N.Y.2d 762, affg 86 A.D.2d 682), to both of which plaintiff refers. The Arbegast footnote cited Basso simply as an illustration of the confusion of assumption of risk with absence of duty in the pre-1975 cases, but made no change in the rule that a defendant seeking summary judgment by way of a complete defense in confession and avoidance, such as assumption of the risk or Statute of Limitations, bears no greater burden than the establishment of the defense. And the Appellate Division's holding in Scaduto, notwithstanding the two sentences in its memorandum concerning assumption, was that the "State did not breach any duty of care to claimant" (86 AD2d, at p 683), which the records of this court show was the basis for our affirmance, without reaching the assumption issue. No more helpful to plaintiff is our abandonment in Micallef v Miehle Co. (39 N.Y.2d 376, 382-385) of the patent danger doctrine declared in Campo v Scofield (301 N.Y. 468). In the first place, Campo denied recovery "if the dangerous character of the product can be readily seen, irrespective of whether the injured user or consumer actually perceived the danger" (39 NY2d, at p 384). More importantly, Micallef was based on the greater expertise and superior position of a manufacturer to recognize and cure defects over the user of his product injured by its defect, a consideration which, as the Appellate Division pointed out (108 AD2d, at p 45), can hardly be said to be present in relation to a professional athlete, who is both more highly trained and in a better bargaining position than persons injured by consumer products (see also, Turcotte v Fell, 123 Misc.2d 877). Notwithstanding that this is a pre-1975 case in which we would be at liberty to modify the common-law rules of assumption of the risk, just as Campo's "open and obvious" rule was modified, we decline to take that step, perceiving no reasonable basis for doing so. Nor does the case law sustain plaintiff's efforts to avert dismissal of his action on the basis of assumption of the risk law. The risks of a game which must be played upon a field include the risks involved in the construction of the field, as has been held many times before. That the assumption doctrine "applies to any facet of the activity inherent in it and to any open and obvious condition of the place where it is carried on" (Diderou v Pinecrest Dunes, 34 A.D.2d 672, 673) is borne out not only by that case but also by Hoffman v Silbert (19 N.Y.2d 661, affg 24 A.D.2d 493 [window in close proximity to ping-pong table]); Luftig v Steinhorn (16 N.Y.2d 568, affg 21 A.D.2d 760 [hole in a baseball field]); and Lobsenz v Rubinstein (283 N.Y. 600, affg 258 App Div 164 [hole or depression in a tennis court]), cited in Diderou, as well as by Scaduto v State of New York (supra); and Schmerz v Salon (19 N.Y.2d 846, affg 26 A.D.2d 691), involving, respectively, a drainage ditch near the third base line and a hole in the base path, in both of which assumption of risk was considered although the case was decided on another basis. There is no question that the doctrine requires not only knowledge of the injury-causing defect but also appreciation of the resultant risk (McEvoy v City of New York, 292 N.Y. 654, affg 266 App Div 445; Larson v Nassau Elec. R. R. Co., 223 N.Y. 14), but awareness of risk is not to be determined in a vacuum. It is, rather, to be assessed against the background of the skill and experience of the particular plaintiff (Dillard v Little League Baseball, 55 A.D.2d 477, 480), and in that assessment a higher degree of awareness will be imputed to a professional than to one with less than professional experience in the particular sport (see, Heldman v Uniroyal, Inc., 53 Ohio App.2d 21, 36, 371 N.E.2d 557, 567; Turcotte v Fell, supra). In that context plaintiff's effort to separate the wetness of the field, which he testified was above the grass line, from the mud beneath it in which his foot became lodged must be rejected for not only was he aware that there was "some mud" in the centerfield area, but also it is a matter of common experience that water of sufficient depth to cover grass may result in the earth beneath being turned to mud (Benjamin v Deffet Rentals, 66 Ohio St.2d 86, 91, 419 N.E.2d 883, 887, holding denial of summary judgment improper because "t is common knowledge, however, that such a [plastic diving board] surface can be slippery, especially when it becomes wet"; Restatement [Second] of Torts § 496D comment d; Prosser and Keeton, Torts § 68, at 488 [5th ed]). We do not deal here, as we did in Schmerz v Salon (supra), with a hole in the playing field hidden by grass, but with water, indicative of the presence of mud, the danger of which plaintiff was sufficiently aware to complain to the grounds keepers. It is not necessary to the application of assumption of risk that the injured plaintiff have foreseen the exact manner in which his or her injury occurred, so long as he or she is aware of the potential for injury of the mechanism from which the injury results. Nor do the enhancement cases to which plaintiff refers in arguing that the risk of water on the field was enhanced by the failure to install proper drainage facilities (Stevens v Central School Dist. No. 1, 21 N.Y.2d 780, affg 25 A.D.2d 871; Cole v New York Racing Assn., 17 N.Y.2d 761, affg 24 A.D.2d 993; Jackson v Livingston Country Club, 55 A.D.2d 1045; Arnold v Schmeiser, 34 A.D.2d 568; see, Hornstein v State of New York, 30 A.D.2d 1012) avail plaintiff, for in each of those cases the enhanced risk that resulted was unknown to the particular plaintiff, whereas here the resulting risk (mud) was evident to plaintiff as is shown by his observation of mud and water and his complaints to the grounds keepers concerning the presence of water to the grass line. Finally, although the assumption of risk to be implied from participation in a sport with awareness of the risk is generally a question of fact for a jury (Stevens v Central School Dist. No. 1, supra; Jackson v Livingston Country Club, supra), dismissal of a complaint as a matter of law is warranted when on the evidentiary materials before the court no fact issue remains for decision by the trier of fact (Hoffman v Silbert, 19 N.Y.2d 661, supra; Luftig v Steinhorn, 16 N.Y.2d 568, supra; Lobsenz v Rubinstein, 283 N.Y. 600, supra; Dillard v Little League Baseball, 55 A.D.2d 477, supra; Maltz v Board of Educ., 282 App Div 888, affg 32 Misc.2d 492; Benjamin v Deffet Rentals, supra). We are satisfied that this is such a case for, on the basis of those parts of plaintiff's deposition above set forth, the defense of assumption of risk was clearly established, and plaintiff has not, as it was his burden to do (Zuckerman v City of New York, 49 N.Y.2d 557, 562) brought himself within the rule of cases such as Broderick v Cauldwell-Wingate Co. (301 N.Y. 182) by presenting evidence in admissible form that he had no choice in the matter but to obey a superior's direction to continue notwithstanding the danger. Indeed, nothing in plaintiff's affidavit or in so much of his deposition as is contained in the record suggests that he acted under such an order or compulsion, nor can we agree, notwithstanding the dictum in Porter v Avlis Contr. Corp. (57 A.D.2d 222, 225)3 or the irascibility of some baseball owners or managers, that we should infer that such an order had been given or that plaintiff acted under the compulsion of an unspoken order. Accordingly, the order of the Appellate Division should be affirmed, with costs. Order affirmed, with costs. FootNotes 1. It also held in response to plaintiff's argument that assumption of the risk is unavailable to an employer who violates the statutory duty imposed by Labor Law § 200 to provide a safe place to work, that plaintiff was not within the class of persons protected by that section. Before us plaintiff has abandoned that argument and we, therefore, do not consider it. 2. The risk of which she was informed prior to participation were contained in "the instructions given by Buckeye's employee to the participants [and] included the statements that the donkeys do buck and put their heads down causing people to fall off" (65 NY2d, at p 163). 3. Though the opinion does not so state, Porter's inference suggestion may perhaps be explained on the basis that it was an action for wrongful death to which the rule of Noseworthy v City of New York (298 N.Y. 76) applied.
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Zvon Oct 12 2013 01:31 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Uh-oh. I've created another time paradox. Wait til you see one of my new Agee cards. I have him batting in the 73 World Series. I should have made the site CARDS FROM AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE! That sounds kinda neat and scary too. Thats Rob(ert) Gardner^
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Zvon Oct 12 2013 01:48 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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My memory is of him going after a sure homer while playing right at Shea. He cruised back and jumped up on the wall, standing on the middle wood frame of the plexiglass bullpen fence, and reaching up to.... He never had a chance for the ball. The ball sailed over his head and maybe even the bullpen. I just remember thinking how I like that he gave it that extra dramatic flair.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 02:07 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Agee on the '73 Mets. Could you do something about Ryan and Otis, too?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 02:08 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Met image fixed.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 02:12 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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G-Fafif Oct 12 2013 02:14 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 12 2013 02:31 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Greif never did get to play for either the Mets or Expos, and was never Topps carded as a Card.. He ended his pro baseball career as a member of the '78 Tidewater Tides.
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Zvon Oct 12 2013 05:05 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Agee holds a special place in my baseball heart. He's gonna get special treatment. Like Shea, tho I'll finish the Agee post before I put it up. For those guys the best I can do is what I did on the 68 page. Let's get this over with and put Ryan and Otis on the same '68 rookie card. Now we only have to be reminded of those two trades once.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2013 01:46 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Oct 13 2013 12:42 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
You sure about that?
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G-Fafif Oct 13 2013 01:36 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Hands used his right hand. Fella in that picture was a portsider.
Hands made that statement in the late 1980s as the owner/operator of a gas station near Orient Point, way the hell out on Long Island. "Now I'm living here in New York," the Cub who hit Tommie Agee said, "and I still have to listen to everybody talk about the Mets. That's OK. You have to give them credit when it's due, and in 1969, they had one great year. They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"
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Zvon Oct 13 2013 05:51 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Hendley, damn.
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Zvon Oct 13 2013 05:54 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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What a dick!
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dinosaur jesus Oct 13 2013 06:47 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I'm not sure how to read this. Is he saying that the Cubs weren't really that good, so it's no big deal that the Mets beat them? That's kind of a weird dig. Or is he saying that the Mets weren't good, just lucky? That just sounds dumb. I do respect that he never got over being pissed about 1969--none of that "We did our best and the better team won" crap.
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Zvon Oct 13 2013 07:26 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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He also said:
So to me he says the '69 Mets were great and lucky too. Then he disses his entire team which had four future HOF players on it. I think he's got a problem.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2013 08:09 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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At least Zvonnie got the right initials.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2013 08:17 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Oct 13 2013 08:37 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Is that Kenny Henderson?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2013 09:33 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
A rare water tower sighting. (Ronn Reynolds in foreground).
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 13 2013 10:54 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Edgy MD Oct 14 2013 08:15 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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My most vivid Maddox memory is him working out of position for a season a third base, learning on the job for the most part. Playing, I guess, near the line, with a runner on first, he moved toward the hole, stumbling to glove a ball on his left. Continuing to stumble as the threw from about a third of the way toward second, he released this rubbery wounded bird of a throw, that bounced a full two times over it's sixty-foot journey before reaching second, and still arrived in time for the putout.
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Zvon Oct 14 2013 03:28 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Also, Mr. Hands was not the Cub who hit Tommie Agee. He was the Cub that knocked him down trying to hit him. He couldn't even do that right. Ash-hole. Agee got up, dusted himself off, and grounded out to third. After that Tommie reeked havoc the entire game. Homered next time up, then singled and did all that running and scoring business. Hands was still in there to face Agee in the 8th and he walked him.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 15 2013 06:59 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Today's Met of the day, John Stearns, at Butterball Field (white sign where fence shortens seen in the background).
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Zvon Oct 15 2013 07:10 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Lets add a Koosman to the list.
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Zvon Oct 15 2013 07:12 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I could make a whole set of cards of just Mets at the spot.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 15 2013 11:19 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
"Ray Sadecki. Pffft. I'm the King of the Mets".
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2013 11:27 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
A trio of Who Am I's with Metly connections, all shot by The Man From Topps.
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themetfairy Oct 16 2013 12:13 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I can't see the first one.
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Edgy MD Oct 16 2013 12:18 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
And the Expos one looks like Terry Collins.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2013 12:39 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Something tells me the middle one is, um, GRZENDA
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2013 12:47 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2013 12:48 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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You mean like Grzenda's glove?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2013 12:50 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Edgy MD Oct 16 2013 12:53 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Yeah, posing like a pitcher and wearing an Expos uniform didn't reflect too well on that guess.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 16 2013 01:13 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Uh... Dan Warthen.
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seawolf17 Oct 16 2013 02:28 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Nope. John Strohmayer.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 16 2013 08:19 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yay!! Seawolf gets the clap. Do you realize just what kind of a maniac you have to be to recognize Strohmayer? Do you think you'd be able to recognize Brad Emaus if I posted a picture of him in a Blue Jays uniform 40 years from now? 'Cause that's what identifying Strohmayer is like.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 16 2013 08:33 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Ah, but Wolfie is a fellow baseball card collector. I suspect he, like me, came of age around the time of the 1973 team, and obsessively kept his cards grouped by team. Strohmayer has a 1973 Expos card, and being a goofball kid, I crossed out Expos on the card and wrote Mets. (A card I had to replace years later....)
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2013 11:24 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Cardigans? Argyles? Ski motifs? Winter'll be here before you know it. So we've prepared a fitting (get it? Fitting?) Who Am I. Identify every Met pictured below in one single post and you'll win four 4 four
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G-Fafif Oct 17 2013 01:37 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
This was back when scouting really put a premium on outerwear. And not without good reason.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2013 06:17 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Hint: Four of these Mets already appeared in this thread.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 17 2013 08:44 PM Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?) |
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I wouldn't know kodachrome from Codacrommini, Italy. But those Topps shots are rich and vibrant. And what detail. They seem to get right into the fibers of the uniforms.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 18 2013 01:36 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Dave Kingman ... the batter's eye black tarp at Miller-Huggins in the background. I think. What's the patch of dirt right behind him? It looks like what should be left field at Butterball Field. And then what's the dirt field in the far background? The dirt right behind Kingman is throwing me off.
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Zvon Oct 18 2013 01:53 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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The dirt is all one body of dirt that is known as "The Infield Dirt @ Butterball Field". 2nd to 3rd base right behind him. That strip coming out of his shirt sleeve is 1st to 2nd. Further back, right field foul line along fence.That's either the batters black eye tarp behind Kong or one of those giant worms from DUNE. They had some ratty grass lookin' down there.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 22 2013 08:59 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Here's a photo of Gil Hodges that you've probably seen more times than you can count. And now you know exactly where at Miller-Huggins he's kneeling for the cameraman.
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Zvon Oct 22 2013 05:59 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It'll be awhile before I collect em all but this is the look of the SS and BF cards.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 22 2013 06:10 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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That's Craig Anderson. I assume there's gotta be a Bob Botz BF card in the works. Lute's last name is spelled B-A-R-N-E-S.
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Zvon Oct 22 2013 09:43 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Gah, shoot. thnx.
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HahnSolo Oct 23 2013 07:08 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Brilliant.
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Zvon Oct 24 2013 02:34 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Thank you Mr. Solo. I really appreciate that. So Sadecki tries to catch Seaver. Seaver:"Not so fast scrub." This guy makes some good cards. I think he has a cardpack for every year. I downloaded 1968 and 1970 and got a few S-Spot hits. Not sure about this one^ We got it^ Mah man Tommie Agee gettin close Donn is close but he prefers to be nearer his own field. These are of that other area. This might be down there and that sign might say Crescent Lake, but I really don't know. The clubhouse.
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Zvon Oct 24 2013 04:37 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
2 more.
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Zvon Oct 25 2013 02:09 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It's amazing that I still find new ones every day.
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 12 2013 08:49 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Extreme left (standing) Don Shaw throws a hard high one and chooses this V-neck, raglan sleeve pullover knitted completely in ribbed stitch. The yarn is knitted worsted. Extreme left (sitting) Sandy Alomar goes deep in the hole to field this Danish pullover with a patterned yoke. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is a mixture of wool and vinyon.
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Zvon Nov 12 2013 10:33 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I wish I had enough style and/or knowledge to keep that going, but I don't. I can add that next from the left is Harvey Haddix, whose taste in sweaters is as ugly as his mug.
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 08:43 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Standing next to Alomar - coach Harvey Haddix calls for a hit and run in this classic cardigan with cables and two color ribbed band. Yarn is machine washable Orion acrylic. Standing behind Haddix's left shoulder - Larry Stahl finds a perfect can of corn as he catches this wide turtleneck in an allover zigzagdesign. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is wool, mohair and vinyon. Standing to Stahl's left - Don Bosch has to hustle to catch up with this comfortable coat sweater. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is machine-washable crylor and mohair. Extra fabric for the growing center-fielder to grow into.
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2014 12:52 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Standing to Bosch's left - Bart Shirley defends the hot corner for this Scandinavian design on yoke, waist and sleeves. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is sport yarn. Sitting to Shirley's left - Bud Harrelson pulls the perfect steal with an all-wool Aran pullover with six different patterns. Waist and cuffs are rib and cable; turtleneck is twisted ribbing. Sitting to Harrelson's left - Jerry Buchek belts a grand slam homer with this classically simple V-neck raglan-sleeve pullover. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is machine-washable Orlon acrylic. Standing behind Harrelson and Buchek - Tom Reynolds bounces a grounder to this diamond-design boat-neck pullover. Stitch is stockinette; yarns are knitting worsted and a mixture of mohair and crylor. Standing over Buchek's left shoulder - Chuck Estrada no-hits this slip-stitch pattern pullover with wide boat neck and single crochet edging. Yarns are knitting worsted and mohair, wool and nylon.
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Edgy MD Jan 03 2014 05:34 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Buchek belts a grand slam while Reynolds is bouncing a grounder? I don't think so.
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Zvon Jan 04 2014 10:16 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Some new old pics of Butterball. I think. I looked last 10 pages back and didn't see these up here yet.
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2014 12:47 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Jan 25 2014 12:33 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
^That would be Wilmer “Vinegar Bend” Mizell. Mizell pitched for the St. Louis Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the New York Mets before entering Congress, where he led the Republicans to victory six times in the annual Congressional Baseball Game.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 25 2014 01:47 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Obviously, it was "Bill Cosby Sweater Day" at Shea Stadium.
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 25 2014 03:40 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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That's Bosch, Stahl, Harrelson, Reynolds and Haddix. The execs are Bill Groome and W. Page Thompson, who are present in conjunction with the Woman's Day magazine Mets Sweater Promo of 1967. I have that picture. I was saving it for a rainy day. I'll give you a chance to get back the zillion points you owe me: What color is Larry Stahl's sweater. I owe you a clapper for Mizell, which I'll withhold until this business about the zillion points is resolved.
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Ashie62 Jan 25 2014 03:43 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The two suits look right out of Madmen..
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Zvon Jan 25 2014 07:03 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Damn. A zillion points. I should have known you had that picture. Baaaaatmags! Is this a trick question? Now do you mean the color I'm seeing, or the actual color. Because I see black and like, dark gray, but that's a black and white photo. So the color I see or the actual color? Stalling for time while I google Larry Stahls sweater.
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Zvon Jan 25 2014 07:06 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I can tell you that the stitch is stockinette; yarn is wool, mohair and vinyon.
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Zvon Jan 25 2014 10:36 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I'll have to go with black and red for a zillion, Bats.
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 26 2014 08:27 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Howd'you figure that?
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Zvon Jan 26 2014 09:41 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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It's a logical assumption based on the hues of grey in the photograph.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 06 2014 07:54 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
SNY now showing some B&W film footage from the Spring of '62 featuring Ralph and Casey being interviewed at the Sadecki Spot at Butterball Field, (pre-cage area in background).
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Zvon Feb 06 2014 08:02 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I saw that. I don't get SNY but David Rothenberg was nice to share the footage on fb. I have to admit, I got a little excited when I saw the background. A wind was blowing...I had never seen the Sadecki Spot IN ACTION. The stands directly behind Ralph were a surprise. I would have thought they weren't there til the mid 70's.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 07 2014 11:40 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Image? Link?
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Zvon Feb 07 2014 12:37 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I'll have to hunt it down. Pretty sure it was David. I hit a lot of links yesterday. Anything Ralph I checked out, thru all media outlets I frequent (ha,like 3 including the pool). But links led to other links and I viewed a lot of Kinerstuff. I'll track it down.
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Zvon Feb 07 2014 01:20 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I scrolled down pretty far and I'm not finding it- it was on the TRUE NEW YORK METS FANS page.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 10 2014 10:16 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Feb 10 2014 12:32 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Who else was in the Agee deal? I have to go look at my baseball cards.
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Zvon Feb 10 2014 01:00 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Is this shot from the fields in St. Petersburg (Miller Huggins/aka/Butterball and Clendenon Fields: I doubt there was ever a hotel like that around there)? Could this be Al Lang Field (more hotels are in that area I would think).
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Benjamin Grimm Feb 10 2014 02:14 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Feb 10 2014 04:57 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Wow, thank you. So it is neither. And the Colonial was a hotel/motel, when you could call em both.
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Edgy MD Feb 10 2014 06:06 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The Soreno looks as much like a prison as a Florida hotel.
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Zvon Feb 10 2014 09:28 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I wonder if that was done as a moral choice or a P.R. choice? Did that go unnoticed back then (the hotel thing)? Maybe, simply a logical choice (because they would want the team together in one place)?.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 10 2014 10:08 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Stumper.
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Zvon Feb 10 2014 10:21 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Damn. He's even in his ChiSox uni on the card. I shudda got this one.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 10 2014 10:22 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 12 2014 10:12 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Another stumper. Youse might've recognized him if I airbrushed the logo right off of his baseball cap. [fimg=466]http://img.comc.com/original/968fc977-06c4-432f-a6ad-09d03209ec35.jpg[/fimg]
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 12 2014 10:27 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Feb 12 2014 02:36 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Zvon Feb 12 2014 02:38 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 12 2014 02:41 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I don't know that any card's right for Ernie. Like Mike and Jerry above him, he never played for the Mets. Unlike most of the other Who Am I's in this thread, who played for the Mets but were never Toppsed -- Ernie did get a real 1966 Topps card.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 14 2014 12:58 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
A special Valentine's Day edition of "Who Am I?".
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Benjamin Grimm Feb 14 2014 04:17 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That's gotta be Ed Kranepool, right?
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 14 2014 09:44 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yeah, but I doubt it was the Gillette Foamy because Ed probably wasn't shaving yet.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 03 2014 12:04 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
This guy's using Topps photography to sell his own large prints of Tom Terrific at The Sadecki Spot.
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Zvon Mar 03 2014 01:34 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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A person using Topps photography for evil purposes! Seriously-he can get away with that? I got a nice new printer here. I'll sell copies of all my Met pics at half that price. That might be a better quality photo than the one I have. Thank you.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 14 2014 12:19 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The Men at Topps filed this Man From Topps photo of me in their Kansas City Royals section, even though I'm pictured in a Mets uniform at Shea Stadium. So who am I?
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Zvon Mar 14 2014 12:26 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Wow. Hawk was scalped.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 18 2014 03:10 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Now he's using Topps Photography to sell 45" x 37" prints of Seaver at the Sadecki Spot. He operates out Russia, if that matters any.
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Zvon Mar 18 2014 03:49 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Where did he get a pic of my living room?
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 23 2014 11:16 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 23 2014 11:59 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 24 2014 07:00 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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[fimg=333]http://img.comc.com/original/694e8d01-0d8e-499e-98e6-fd279d8672ec.jpg[/fimg]
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Zvon Mar 24 2014 07:10 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Damn. I knew that face. Didn't want to peek at cards. I was gonna say Martin Milner.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 24 2014 07:11 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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(M)ike Hampton, in a Mets jersey that "The Franchise" might've pitched in. [fimg=322]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3791/13393401765_4dcae13ab7_o.jpg[/fimg] Yearbook Ike Custom Carded by Bob
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 30 2014 11:42 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
[fimg=555:28125md5]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7434/13530529634_c295c8c01e.jpg[/fimg:28125md5]
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Zvon Mar 31 2014 11:22 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Thats Doctor Ron Taylor.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2014 01:20 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2014 10:14 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It's Astro day here at the Who Am I? thread.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 01 2014 02:05 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Looks like Rusty in the top middle, and of course Series MVP Ray Knight down below. The airbrush cap on the Padres uniform is brutal!
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Zvon Apr 01 2014 02:27 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Felix Mantilla, Bob Aspromonte,...
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2014 07:55 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It's still Astro day here at the Who Am I? thread. One more to go (the one-time Met that went from the Padres to the Astros in the '70's), plus one new one more to go.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 01 2014 08:12 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Art Howe lighting up the Man From Topps' lens on the right.
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Zvon Apr 01 2014 08:41 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I knew we saw this guy (cripes this is a long thread to look thru). And I said the same thing, Rader. Ha.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2014 08:52 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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So they didn't have Photoshop or sophisticated software or probably any kind of software illustrating programs in 1972. But they had artists, right? People that could draw and illustrate? And went to art school and all that jazz? [fimg=333]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE3M1g4MzM=/z/~iMAAOxyyq5TN3zR/$_57.JPG[/fimg] [fimg=333]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/13563329564_0febb723f8.jpg[/fimg]
[fimg=233]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-coJUi4WDS3g/ULQCJoBJtBI/AAAAAAAAjRg/8L4vqYkcL5w/s1600/Art+Howe+(3).jpg[/fimg] [fimg=233]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/13572124885_bbc545373d.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=233]http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/09/24/sports/Art-Howe.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=233]http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/32/90/e854_35.JPG[/fimg]
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Zvon Apr 01 2014 09:10 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yep. And then they went and got real jobs. I kid. I would have loved that job. I suppose Topps had an art department (maybe far fetched for those years, I dunno) and that's the best they could have come up with. True though, quite a few don't look as though a trained hand was involved in any way. Just how did they do it? Was the artist given a photo and he took a brush right to it? Maybe more similar to cell animation with a clear layer above that is painted on(they certainly had matte processes in movies at this point-something like that?) Did they only allow him one photo to deface, and that's why some real bad ones were accepted? There's a good story here. Now I'm curious as to which Roberts is the reverse image. I figure not the card. Why does Topps do that? Stupidity?
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2014 10:16 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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[fimg=233]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE3M1g4MzM=/z/~iMAAOxyyq5TN3zR/$_57.JPG[/fimg] [fimg=233]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/13563329564_0febb723f8.jpg[/fimg] The watermarked Man From Topps Roberts shot is the reversed image -- not the shot on his actual '72 card. You can tell from the way those Padres uniforms button -- buttons on the players' right, buttonholes on their left. [fimg=333]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQ0MFgxMDgw/z/QHsAAOxykmZTNPWQ/$_57.JPG[/fimg] What you can't tell is whether Roberts' Astro cap was painted directly onto the reversed image or on the regular image.
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Zvon Apr 02 2014 10:31 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Whos this guy?
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 04 2014 12:32 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I'm stumped.
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Zvon Apr 04 2014 01:34 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Bill Haas, whoever he is. From the New York Sunday News, 4/26/64.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 04 2014 01:48 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I have that magazine. The Daily News would traditionally run a Mets (and Yankees) Spring Preview/Early Season photo spread in their Sunday News Magazine up until the very early '70's. Those magazines were sometime called "colorotos", which, I think, described the coloring process used back then. I have most of those DN Sunday mags that featured the Mets.
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Edgy MD Apr 04 2014 01:52 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The league felt so bad about how bad the expansion pool was for the Colts and Mets, they arranged a second mini-expansion draft following the 1963 season. Each of the other teams were to put four players into a pool, from which New York and Houston could select up to eight, paying the other team 30,000 a piece.
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Zvon Apr 04 2014 04:51 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Well get scanning man! These rare Met innerweb images don't scan themselves. Colorotos. I've never heard of that but it does sound like it would be the name an early color process. Most interesting.
Amazin' info. thank you Ed.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2014 06:03 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Astro Day continued here at the "Who Am I?".
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 06 2014 06:04 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That's Jesus, man.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2014 06:06 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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For the quickest correct answer in the history of the "Who Am I?", you win one pair of orange colored starred stirrups, just like the ones worn by The Man From Topps photo subject, Jesus Alou.
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Zvon Apr 06 2014 06:08 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
AAAAssssooooose
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Zvon Apr 07 2014 04:02 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Not sure this should go here but:
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Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 07 2014 06:26 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I think that's from a revised edition and they cropped and pasted players all over the place. I'll look for the original and scan!
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Zvon Apr 07 2014 09:25 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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With yearbook team pics I remember them adding players that weren't there in little circular pics. Players that weren't supposed to be there? I dunno. Usually its currently correct at printing. Strikes me odd that 4 players who didn't end the season on the team would be standing there all together in the middle. That's usually prime real estate for a team pic. Thanks in advance for any help. I photoshopped that team pic and put the Shea scoreboard in that spot. Now I'm thinking of putting the missing players back in, if that's the case (it could be one player laying down and held aloft in Cleon, Ed, Stone and Storks arms).
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 08 2014 11:48 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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[fimg=866]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nYSKXlm_7Pg/S-MhlQeX0II/AAAAAAAAAIw/XdpV8ron0fU/s1600/73Topps389.jpg[/fimg] Here's the Mets team pic on the 1973 Topps baseball card. None of the four Mets standing in what you call the prime middle -- Agee, McAndrew, Fregosi or Frisella -- would wind up on the '73 post-season roster. Of course, that team photo had to have been taken early in the '72 season, a year before the card was available. Is that Jim Beauchamp standing behind Jerry Grote? Because if it is, and he's wearing #5 instead of #24, then that means that Willie Mays is MIA.
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Zvon Apr 08 2014 02:53 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Yea, that's deff Beauchamp.
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Zvon Apr 08 2014 03:46 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
So this would be the team pic in the original 73 yearbook? 5 rows high coming out of spring training. Ike Hampton gets Tommies 20! Wha!!?? Shudda retired it.
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Zvon Apr 13 2014 06:54 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Well I'll be damned. They really did do a cut and paste. I figured they just slapped the rectangle sign over whoever was there. Pics taken same session, maybe seconds apart. So it's Jerry May, Jim Gosger, Phil Hennigan and Jim Fregosi. And they moved Beauchamp and Hahn to the side. That would have to be literally cut & paste work, right? Hands on, with an exacto knife & allathat? Then taking a photo of the doctored photo? A trainer and the player behind him on the far right are gone ( clubhouse att. Bill Hampton/ batboy George Palmero). Looks like Foster was pulled for Capra (upper left row). Capra's not in the B&W team pic. That must have required photo surgery. Pretty amazin. I mean, I know pictures could be manipulated before PC and photo editors. Just never thought they'd do it to a baseball team pic. I recall the photo circles they'd use to add new guys. Great job too, even with the fact that an orange rectangle team sign looks totally stupid there. I suppose the scoreboard is just as silly. I can't help it. I miss the old scoreboard *sob. So the guy in uniform next to Jim McAndrew(in the color one) was not a Met player? A camera technician? I remember the Mets were one of the early teams to analyze video tape for training purposes but I don't think that was the guy I recall doing it. Conner? Wth is that guy doing in a uniform? That ain't right.
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2014 07:34 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I got Don Hahn where you say Sudakis. [fimg=633]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dK0XvM4F3mQ/U0RX0sSX9FI/AAAAAAAAOcE/3zJ1Y8JoO9o/s863/73MetTEAMpicTEST1.png[/fimg] Why is Kranepool wearing #29? Did you do that?
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 13 2014 09:25 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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[fimg=744]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/13838606434_b0621bf591.jpg[/fimg] I found another version of the team photo used on the Topps '73 team card -- with legend. You were right -- that's Sudakis, not Hahn. Also there's good reason why you couldn't identify the Met to Sudakis's left -- it's the batboy! Also, Boswell and Mays, physically MIA for that actual shoot, are included in circular insets. Don Hahn is both MIA and unaccounted for, even by insert.
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Zvon Apr 13 2014 10:50 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yes. Both unis above McAndrew and Stone are from the '71 team photo. I did photoshop the #40 on to Stones, actually just the 0 over Seavers (4)1. There must be color versions of all these team shots. I'm collecting the ones I find on-line and very few are in color. And most are not such good quality, color or not.
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Edgy MD Apr 26 2014 06:28 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
¿Quién soy yo?
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batmagadanleadoff Apr 26 2014 07:16 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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That's what Tom Seaver and Johnny Bench's kid would look like. [fimg=444]http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1106/memorable.sports.kisses/images/seaver-bench.jpg[/fimg]
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Edgy MD Apr 26 2014 08:18 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Nope, he's a real dude, not a double-Y chromosome monster!
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Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2014 04:17 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Is that Mac Scarce?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 28 2014 05:19 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
could it be Jim Dwyer?
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Edgy MD Apr 28 2014 05:52 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Yeah, that's Mac without his mustache and shag.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 28 2014 07:04 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I didn't see the URL, but I did think it looked like he was in a Phillies uniform. I remember Scarce came from the Phils.
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batmagadanleadoff May 03 2014 12:19 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The Sadecki Spot on '80's cardboard:
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batmagadanleadoff May 11 2014 02:31 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Two clappers if you can name this Sadecki Spot Met.
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batmagadanleadoff May 25 2014 11:37 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
A pre-cage Who am I by the clubhouse, water fountain in the background.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 02 2014 09:27 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Before the cage:
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2014 09:03 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Who am I, posing as myself in this rare color photo (of myself) in a Padres uniform, the same style worn by Randy Jones when he lost to and then beat, former teammates of mine for the Cy Young award. And when you think of all the pitching talent the Mets were packing in their farm system when I was there, it's pretty amazin', amazin', amazin' that I'd be the one, me, myself! to give the franchise six years of major league service.
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Zvon Oct 04 2014 09:33 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
[youtube]eX2ktVn5b-c[/youtube]
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2014 10:35 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Jim's too honest to pose as anybody else.
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Zvon Oct 05 2014 12:59 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
No ones going to say anything about Kasem being an Angel?
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Zvon Oct 05 2014 01:18 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Uh-oh. I smell wood burning. That can only mean one thing. I have an idea, or the house is on fire again...TWO things!
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Edgy MD Oct 05 2014 01:38 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Nice.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 05 2014 01:44 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )
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Zvon Oct 05 2014 02:14 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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These are great. I didn't have the BOTW play on my list * slaps forehead (or The Beatles stage or sign-man, two must haves) Also on my list: Spot in the infield where Pratt picked up Ventura (as opposed to spot where the ball went out of the park)
We'll have to decide if it's worth updating. I'm doing a diagram worthy graphic drawing of Shea- if we don't use it here I'll find another use for it.
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Edgy MD Oct 05 2014 02:42 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
[list:2hrg4mak][*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Melvin and Roger met mid-air.
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Zvon Oct 05 2014 07:55 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Shea will be laid out like this. I'm already considering a side insert that shows the TV booth with a nod to Murph and Kiner. I think that's the only thing we lose in this view.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 06 2014 10:12 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yup! I have that one, too. I don't think it gets out of the 1980s.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 06 2014 10:15 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
The spot where Willie, Yogi, Tom and Rusty walked out to the fans in fair territory in left field after the Rose/Harrelson brawl and asked them to stop pelting Pete with stuff.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 06 2014 10:20 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Could you post it? I can't find that image on my PC.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 06 2014 10:33 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
This is NOT a great version of it, but I might be able to scan one tonight. it's by Amadee and was in a Sporting News stadium book.
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Edgy MD Oct 06 2014 10:45 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I didn't know Richard Kiel ever played for the Mets.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 06 2014 11:02 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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George Washington, too!
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Edgy MD Oct 06 2014 11:08 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Interestingly, they describe how Buckner "boots" the ball. But he of course booted nothing. As the illustration suggests, he just missed it.
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G-Fafif Oct 06 2014 11:49 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That same Sporting News book is the first place I ever saw MFYS II completely conflated with MFYS I (Ruth, DiMaggio, et al, portrayed as playing in the 1976 version), which is when I sensed the world was going to hell.
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Zvon Oct 06 2014 02:09 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Wow, that's excellent. Thanks for posting that. Do you know if that's done by Gene Mack? I figure he probably was long gone by the time the Shea one was done. What does the scoreboard say?
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Edgy MD Oct 06 2014 02:23 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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[fimg=400]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q0pphRGSQX4/VDGXkuKNfYI/AAAAAAAAU-Y/wH0IwpVA22k/s1042/sn4611mackpolo.jpg[/fimg] ^ ^ These inset illustrations in the lower left and lower right corners. They are inside baselines for Polo Grounds, but they likely would be different for Shea, because the perspective would be different. But I would use those two spots for illustrations of the two Shea exteriors --- the tile-coated Payson exterior and the neon-ballplayer-adorned Doubleday exterior. In fact, I hereby move that these two skins be forever referred to as the Payson Exterior and the Doubleday Exterior. If this works out well, can we do a shirt?
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Zvon Oct 06 2014 02:56 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I don't know how legible it will look on a shirt, but sure. The image will end up being wider than I assumed, making for more blank space to add stuff. If I was thinking shirt I'd try to make it more square, which can be done at this point. Just add more space to the top and bottom instead of the sides. Bundle everything above and below. I am not sure if I want to adjust the layout. It might lose the look I'm going for, which is a Mack type layout. I'll give this some thought. I may do a rectangular and a square version. Now with the external Shea's, you are referring to the differences in the Stadiums outer shell, correct? If so that's a great idea that fits right in. Keep in mind this work will be in B&W and some changes won't be as obvious as they would be/look in color. But the two different Shea outer shell looks should play well in B&W. I also want to focus on the scoreboard/OF wall changes but I may drop that idea -or add another insert, above it. When I get this crowd done I'll try and put up a list here (during tonights games) of all the Metly things chosen for use. So far all the things chosen are pretty main stream. I'm looking to include obscure stuff. Like, exactly where did the black cat come from out of, or from underneath, the stands? I'd like to point to that exact spot (and maybe add a trail arrow of the cats path in front of the Cubs dugout). Also, about the Met Walk ( '73 playoff: Rusty,Yogi,Mays,Seaver,Jones)- I already added an arrow path (all additions do not have to be permanent) showing Gils path when walking out to pull Cleon in '69. 1) Did that happen at Shea or on the road? 2) It's the same path for the "MetWalk". Should I add the "MetWalk" to it, or should it trump the "Gil to Cleon" walk and bump it? I'm thinking "MetWalk" trumps/bumps "Gil2Cleon" walk.
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seawolf17 Oct 06 2014 05:00 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I'd be afraid the small print would wash out on a shirt really quickly. A poster, however...
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2014 12:27 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
They said I was once the fastest player in all of baseball, even faster than Lou Brock and Maury Wills. Why I was so fast, that The Man From Topps couldn't catch me in a Mets uniform, even though I played for the Amazin's. Who am I?
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G-Fafif Oct 07 2014 02:33 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Billy Cowan?
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MFS62 Oct 07 2014 07:02 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Zvon, it was that book that had me drawing baseball stadia for a long while.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2014 11:08 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2014 11:11 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
"If you're making that poster, I want in!"
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Zvon Oct 07 2014 12:30 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I agree a poster would be the way to go. Parachute Guy should make the cut.
You'll have to lobby for Lindsay Nelson. Convince 14 year old me that he wasn't a traitor. You draw? Do you want to add anything to the poster? That would make it a real community project. :) That goes for anyone who wants to add anything. Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone? Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have.
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Edgy MD Oct 07 2014 12:36 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It's at about the one-minute mark here.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2014 12:38 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Straw hit it against the Astros, and Mo Vaughn hit it against the Braves. I was at both of those games -- front row behind the plate for Mo's shot.
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Zvon Oct 07 2014 12:59 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Excellent footage, thank you.
Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.
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Ceetar Oct 07 2014 01:17 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I saw Adam Dunn hit the scoreboard once in BP. broke a light.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2014 04:19 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Just under the "T" in "Born on Date" - more than halfway up the scoreboard. [youtube]iUA6HV3jX4o[/youtube]
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Edgy MD Oct 07 2014 04:46 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Who's on play-by-play there?
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2014 05:18 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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I'm goin' with Gary Cohen and Fran Healy (Fran, especially on the "Super Cam", just in case no one heard it the first 89 times Fran mentioned the Super Cam), and Keith jumping in with the beer and the suds flowing off of the scoreboard and stuff.
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Edgy MD Oct 07 2014 05:25 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen.
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Zvon Oct 07 2014 07:15 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Excellent, thank you. I vaguely remember this. He got all his weight behind that one. Wow. I think one of those voices is Keith for sure. Mets web site says the Shea was the very first stadium to ever put distances on their OF walls. I find this hard to believe.
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Zvon Oct 07 2014 08:59 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I think this is going to balloon into a bigger project than I thought. If I can do it "scavenger art style"(picking stuff from various sources to use) it will be relatively quick work. If small cartoons are needed, drawing them won't add too much time wise, but portraits are another matter. I do have my own existing Met drawings that can be used as a portrait source (Carter, Keith, Doc & Straw if they do get portraits). The other portraits will be by Stark or Gallo and I hope that's not a problem poster wise.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 04:41 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2014 05:16 PM |
http://m.mlb.com/video/v8852885/mlb-net ... n-disguise
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 04:46 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Lenny Randle when the lights went out.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 08 2014 05:05 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Johnny Callison's walk-off (did I say "walk-off? what is the world coming to?) in a Met helmet.
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Fman99 Oct 08 2014 06:36 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Sounds like Gary Thorne to me.
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Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 07:29 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Yes it is...
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MFS62 Oct 08 2014 09:18 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Yes Zvon, I used to draw, but not well. :(
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dgwphotography Oct 08 2014 09:48 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Nope.
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Zvon Oct 08 2014 11:56 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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SO the BobbyV Mustache stays. DOH. Clemens bat cut. I get what you're saying. The Mets were the first to post distances beyond the outfield wall, and that might be very tue. The Yankee canon incident should make it. My brother said if I include the Stork collision I have to include the Dykstra/Mookie collision. I don't know that I agree, but they did both happen in the same area and might be able to be written up in the same bubble or box. Like just add Mook/Dyktra also collided here.. The Mook/Dykstra collision was way more kool looking, so I don't know why I put more weight on the Stork/Hahn one. What did Randle do during the blackout? Callisons walkoff and Bunnings perfecto are big Shea moments, and I have to work them in, but I don't want them getting major area(s) or space. I might include boxed facts around the outside with stuff like that. The fact that Callison was wearing a Mets helmet, to me, makes that stand out more. Bunning does not get the mound even thought the achievement was never topped. He's not a Met. Certainly have to get him in there though. Mound will go to where Jerry/Grote hugged, and where Orosco dropped and made a V (right in front of mound).
As far as contributing cartoons, they don't have to be anything great, or even good. Like the old cards, kinda doodles. Like I did for the 2002 set- i pull a paper from my printer, sketch the cartoon loosly (it can be done at a small size-real small if you want), scan it, send it to me and I'll clean it up and add it. You can even do it on lined paper, at work, and I can work with that-remove the lines, bring out the cartoon (all you guys at work withfive minutes to doodle). This is not a great example- because it's for a card back-a cartoon made for the 2002 set. Just sketch/doodle, scan, make it look like an ink drawing in a art type program, and wala, lil cute baseball cartoon. The size of the actual Agee cartoon thing is about 1/16th of the size of this scan. So even tiny ones can be used w np. They don't have to be great and I think the more people contribute the more fun this is. I don't consider the Polo Grounds shot of the distance to be "beyond" the field of play, so I think that still stands. I've done a mock up with portraits surrounding Shea, with the Carter, Keith, Straw, Doc, and Cleon, including the big three retired # guys. But I think it looks much better with just the three biggy portraits, Casey, Gil, and Seaver, one in each corner and the alt stadium looks, including the football field set up with at least a mention of Namath and '69 in the final corner. Where ever I put the banners, or pennants, a Jets 69 one will be in there. Sheesh, I want to include the Grand Funk Coin Shea (the balloon effect) but ....I'm not going to be able to get everything in it- I don't think. Maybe...maybe we have to whittle down. I can show you tests/mock ups where I checked these things out, if you want to see how it looks with the extra portraits or during steps along the way. It took me a looooooong time to add the crowd, and it's not all in yet, so no big additions have been made. So far the Shea work looks real nice with a full crowd in it. I also thought of possibly showing the difference between the Shea facades/look like they did on the 2008ByeShea Logo. But to add this to the existing stadium already outlined, would take some major changes to the layout. So maybe I add it as a separate image. I will make the photo look like a drawing, or I will draw it if I have to. I would rather the facade looks extended from the original Shea drawing posted earlier, but I don't know if that's doable w/o some major changes to the layout. It would be added, an extension to the Shea created up there. Might be worth the extra work. I wanted this to also be a tribute to Gene Macks work and style as well, but if it evolves past that(well, not past it, because all Macks stuff is brilliant) but just into something else, I'll go with it, as long as it ends up capturing Shea's rather colorful history. I don't see how it won't be able to do that nicely, I hope.
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Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 06:21 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That photo is kewl, but somehow the stadium exterior changes in time but the cars remain the same.
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SteveJRogers Oct 09 2014 10:20 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.
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Edgy MD Oct 09 2014 10:34 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
For important homers that don't quite measure up to deserving a spot, you can just list them all on/around the apple.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 09 2014 10:35 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Brilliant!
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Zvon Oct 09 2014 03:58 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Agreed. I don't even have the apple in there yet. Gah! Apples gotta be in there. Crowd still going in. The 3 portrait look. Stadiums are tests subject to change- trying different things to portray the differences over the yrs--this would be the look without the outer shell extension I mentioned, which would add a lot of additional space to the bottom. If I went that route, all but the football Shea could be dropped. The original is 4 times this size, So you can read the text. The Stork bubble is just a test and might not end up in that spot.
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Zvon Oct 10 2014 02:21 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Crap...Diamond Vision.. I have to stick that somewhere.
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Zvon Dec 23 2014 01:31 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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V.2 Final version. This does not have the error corrections that I have been working on, nor the additional info that I've gotten from the fb Shea page(the lists have to be updated). But basically the finished poster will look like this, only giant sized and eligible. A lot of changes to the original concept. No info bubbles like the Gene Mack works. I kinda threw the Gene Mack tribute angle out the window as the area surrounding Shea grew and filled in. Scraped the cartoon look for actual photos depicting the Shea moments. Still, very much influenced by Mack. It's very busy (some might prefer version 2), but I wanted to get everything in I could think of. I want to add a note about Strawman hitting the scoreboard (Mo's shot is in there) and a few other little additions. The image above is 1451x1041. The original is 3540x2540 and if I make prints I plan to make them the same size as the original (app. 4 x 3 ft.). That'll be one bigass poster of Shea :) If there's any interest I'll print and sell a limited amount. I know I want one for my wall, so I'm definitely printing up one at full size.
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Edgy MD Dec 23 2014 01:41 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Sucks not to be able to see a full-size version. Great work.
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themetfairy Dec 23 2014 01:48 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
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Amazin'!
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 23 2014 01:50 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That is looking great!
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Edgy MD Dec 23 2014 01:52 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
It will be lamentable oversight if the Mets don't build a giveaway day around that poster.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 23 2014 01:59 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
That is absolutely incredible!
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 23 2014 02:23 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Where do I get one of those?
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Zvon Dec 23 2014 04:12 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
Thanks guys :)
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d'Kong76 Dec 23 2014 05:28 PM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I'm speechless! Just wonderful!
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 01 2015 06:50 AM Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F |
I think it's time to lock this thread and let it drift into the archives. Please paste any additional posts in a "Butterball 2015" thread.
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