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batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 12:39 PM
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Who is this one year fringe Met who ended his career in the Expos organization? Captured above by The Man From Topps, there is no Topps card of this player as either a Met or an Expo.

Quiz Difficulty Rating: Tough.

Edgy MD
Sep 04 2013 12:45 PM
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It's that famous Met flash in the pan, Boris DeSpider.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 04 2013 12:57 PM
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Joe Moock?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 12:58 PM
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Who is this former Met who never appeared in a game for the A's and was never given a Topps card as a member of the A's either.

Quiz Diffuculty Rating: Easier than Boris DeSpider.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 01:14 PM
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Topps Chewing Gum Co.: Preserving baseball's history through cutting room floor photos.



Who is this player who was a Met teammate of Boris DeSpider for about a month and a half? I suppose this hint can be used to solve the first photo, too.

d'Kong76
Sep 04 2013 01:15 PM
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Who is this former Met who never appeared in a game for the A's and was never given a Topps card as a member of the A's either.

Quiz Diffuculty Rating: Easier than Boris DeSpider.


Unhappy Jack

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 01:25 PM
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Who is this former Met and current media darling who was an Expo for two weeks and like Boris DeSpider, never appeared on a Topps baseball card as an Expo?

Quiz Difficulty Rating: For this one, you don't even need eyeballs.

themetfairy
Sep 04 2013 01:43 PM
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Who is this former Met and current media darling who was an Expo for two weeks and like Boris DeSpider, never appeared on a Topps baseball card as an Expo?

Quiz Difficulty Rating: For this one, you don't even need eyeballs.


Ron Darling, of course.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 01:51 PM
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Who is this former Met and current media darling who was an Expo for two weeks and like Boris DeSpider, never appeared on a Topps baseball card as an Expo?

Quiz Difficulty Rating: For this one, you don't even need eyeballs.


Ron Darling, of course.


G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 01:53 PM
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Topps Chewing Gum Co.: Preserving baseball's history through cutting room floor photos.



Who is this player who was a Met teammate of Boris DeSpider for about a month and a half? I suppose this hint can be used to solve the first photo, too.


Joe Grzenda?

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 01:54 PM
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Though I'm not sure why Joe Grzenda would be posing with a bat...

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 04 2013 01:55 PM
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I think it's one of the Bob Johnsons. (I've recently posted some missing mug shots from the early days to the UMDB.)

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 01:58 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
It's that famous Met flash in the pan, Boris DeSpider.


No, but since you mention flashes in the pan, who is this Met flash in the pan, once considered to have the strongest arm in the organization. A famous photo exists of this pitcher posing with Nolan Ryan, both holding scorched baseballs.



He blew his arm out in the Minors, and never threw a pitch in the Majors.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 02:00 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I think it's one of the Bob Johnsons. (I've recently posted some missing mug shots from the early days to the UMDB.)




Gotta be. That smile looked too familiar to have totally escaped my childhood Topps gaze.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:00 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I think it's one of the Bob Johnsons. (I've recently posted some missing mug shots from the early days to the UMDB.)




Winner! Winner! It's the hitting Bob Johnson, who put up quite the numbers in his brief Met stint.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 02:02 PM
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Who is this one year fringe Met who ended his career in the Expos organization? Captured above by The Man From Topps, there is no Topps card of this player as either a Met or an Expo.

Quiz Difficulty Rating: Tough.




Jack Lamabe. And he is tough.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:08 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Though I'm not sure why Joe Grzenda would be posing with a bat...


Why not? Seaver did it for The Man From Topps in 1972. Of course, Joe Grzenda wasn't no Tom Seaver.


This coulda been Seaver's '73 card.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:13 PM
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Who is this one year fringe Met who ended his career in the Expos organization? Captured above by The Man From Topps, there is no Topps card of this player as either a Met or an Expo.

Quiz Difficulty Rating: Tough.




Jack Lamabe. And he is tough.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:18 PM
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Who is this former Met who never appeared in a game for the A's and was never given a Topps card as a member of the A's either.

Quiz Diffuculty Rating: Easier than Boris DeSpider.


It's hint time. He was a prominent Met in his time, generally well-liked, even to this day.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:39 PM
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Who is this former Met who never appeared in a game for the A's and was never given a Topps card as a member of the A's either.

Quiz Diffuculty Rating: Easier than Boris DeSpider.


It's hint time. He was a prominent Met in his time, generally well-liked, even to this day.


He was a pitcher, but not a belly itcher, as far as I know.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:49 PM
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Like his Mets teammate Tom Seaver, he also posed with a bat for The Man From Topps.

themetfairy
Sep 04 2013 02:52 PM
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Skip Lockwood?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 04 2013 02:52 PM
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The skipper

Edgy MD
Sep 04 2013 02:55 PM
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Probably still thought of himself as a bit of hitter in his Pilots days.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 02:56 PM
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He was one of my early guesses but I remembered a rounder as well as bespectacled Lockwood and thought, "nah..."

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 02:57 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
Skip Lockwood?






Skip looks like a different person in every picture.

Edgy MD
Sep 04 2013 03:01 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
He was one of my early guesses but I remembered a rounder as well as bespectacled Lockwood and thought, "nah..."

Yeah, I also remember his hair to be straight and stringy and his eyes to be a bit sickly.

Zvon
Sep 04 2013 03:31 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

never appeared on a Topps baseball card as an Expo?

Hmm..
batmagadanleadoff wrote:



This coulda been Seaver's '73 card.

Hmmm...


Kool thread.

d'Kong76
Sep 04 2013 04:00 PM
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Hey, big guy ... wanna be a pro's pro? My foxhole buddy?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 06:50 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
It's that famous Met flash in the pan, Boris DeSpider.


No, but since you mention flashes in the pan, who is this Met flash in the pan, once considered to have the strongest arm in the organization. A famous photo exists of this pitcher posing with Nolan Ryan, both holding scorched baseballs.



He blew his arm out in the Minors, and never threw a pitch in the Majors.


Can't figure out the flamethrowing flame-out? Once injured, the Mets left him unprotected for the upcoming 1969 expansion draft, where he was taken by the Montreal Expos, and reacquired by the Mets organization two years later. He ended his pro baseball career as a member of the Tidewater Tides.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 07:03 PM
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This ex-Met never pitched for the Royals, and only had nine future innings pitched left in his tank by the time he got to Kansas City.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 07:13 PM
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Is the pitcher in Met blue John Glass?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 07:24 PM
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Is the pitcher in Met blue John Glass?




Some commentary:

Excerpt from a June, 2011 Marty Noble piece:

But what wrongs have the Mets committed to justify what has happened to them over the years -- no, over the decades -- in terms of injury and extended disability? From Steve Chilcott to Jay Payton to Fernando Martinez, the Mets have strained, sprained and generally been lamed so often that their list of prospects and their disabled lists can't always be distinguished from each other.

And the cause of the ongoing, multistage calamity has been what exactly? Was it the Cooters Incident of 1986 that somehow undermined the team retroactively and subsequently? Was it Cleon Jones in the van? Bret Saberhagen and the bleach? Vince Coleman and the firecracker? Coleman and the golf club? Not pursuing Alex Rodriguez? Losing Seaver the second time?

Or has some darker transgression caused the litany of misfortune which seems to be a part of the franchise's DNA. Bumper stickers and T-shirts have told us for years that stuff happens. The folks who produced such merchandise must have had box seats at Shea Stadium and ticket stubs from 1962 and been inspired by what they witnessed.

Long before the turn-your-stomach news about Ike Davis was delivered Wednesday night -- his bone bruise isn't healing and microfracture surgery has been mentioned -- the Mets had a pitching prospect named John Glass who was considered Ryan-comparable. Indeed, the photo archives at Newsday once included a shot of Glass and Ryan holding baseballs that had been purposely scorched by a blow torch -- no Photoshop available then -- and Gil Hodges in the background, smiling as if it were 1955.

Glass broke down in the 1968 instructional league before he was selected by the unwitting Expos in the Expansion Draft and flamed out.

He was one who passed all but unnoticed, and every club has some -- maybe more -- of them. But that sort of shooting-star presence or something akin to it seems to be standard operating procedure for this franchise -- Tim Leary, Paul Wilson, Bill Pulsipher, Jason Isringhausen, Payton. Has anyone seen Alex Escobar and Martinez in the same room at the same time? Sean Johnston was one of the eight players the Mets selected in the first 98 picks of the 1994 Draft. He allowed no hits in his first 10 professional innings. Two years later, he was one of 17 players who had undergone Tommy John surgery while in the Mets' employ. And Payton's elbow was cut twice.


http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/articl ... y=news_nym

And some blog comments analogizing Glass to Noah Syndergaard in order to criticize the RA Dickey trade:

From Paul's Random Baseball Stuff:

Well, let me spoil the parade. Mazzilli was never ANYTHING other than a New York kid. He wasn’t ever Cy Young (or MVP) material. Hell, he didn’t even have much of a career, when all is said and done. When the Mets traded Mazz, I cheered. Because they traded a pretty much mediocre position player for two solid young arms. I’ve also seen some compare this [Dickey] trade to the Gary Carter trade. Hogwash! Carter was an established star that the Mets got for a couple of spare parts. If anything this is the Carter trade in reverse.

Both D’Arnaud and Syndergaard already have huge holes in their games. This isn’t the Zack Wheeler trade, either. Wheeler has a full arsenal and was pretty much major league ready when he was drafted. Syndergaard has one pitch. At best, he’s John Glass. Remember him? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

When you trade position players for young arms, THAT’S a plan. When you trade a Cy Young winner for a position player who is already out of position (They’ll have to put him at first within a year or two. If anything, he’s a better fit as a DH) and a one-pitch Single-A pitcher, THAT’S a salary dump. Nothing more, nothing less. Had they traded Wright to stock up on young arms, much as I like David, I could get behind that. And then the trade of Dickey makes more sense.

The Mets moves this off-season are the moves of a team without any plan whatsoever–other than keeping some fannies in the seats watching Wright as they stumble forward for the next 7 years hoping for a miracle.

The Mets could have had an ace pitcher at a bargain price. Instead, they tossed him away for a handful of “magic beans”. You know it’s a bad deal when every Mets fan who favors it talks about how much fun it will be to see Dickey pitch at Yankee Stadium. This was not a “necessary gamble”. This was a foolish, foolish throwing away of a huge asset. May God have mercy on their souls.


http://randombaseballstuff.com/2012/12/ ... ts-future/

And from Mets By The Numbers: If I Had A Hammer:

Bad move
Submitted by FatJack (not verified) on Tue, 01/08/2013 - 6:24pm.

History says trading a newly minted Cy Young Award winner (or even one several seasons removed) is a colossal blunder as you NEVER get equal value in return. Dickey is a knuckleballer; his age is absolutely irrelevant. D'Arnaud is (purposely) untested at the major league level and, as a young catcher, it should raise red flags that he's already missed significant time due to back and knee injuries. Syndergaard is a one-pitch pitcher. Single-A hitters report that he tips his other pitches, which are mediocre to begin with. It's one thing if a scout or coach says he's tipping his pitches, quite another when that comes from Single-A hitters. Sure, he can still strike out those Single-A hitters with his fastball. But, as a young pitcher with only his fastball to rely on, he's bound for Tommy John surgery long before he reaches the Show. Can you say John Glass? Buck is ancient and, most likely, a manager in training more than a catcher of the present. I think Mike Nickeas could outhit him at this point.

It's true, the Mets have many needs and aren't (and weren't) going anywhere for the next few years. But you build a ballclub by trading Carlos Beltrans for Zack Wheelers, not by trading a Cy Young winner for a damaged catching prospect. Had Dickey brought back 3 or 4 quality young arms, I'd say fine. But the Mets tossed a Cy Young winner on the scrap heap (mind you, a Cy Young winner who was asking less than Ryan Dempster received and less than Edwin Jackson received) for a handful of magic beans.

History will not be kind to this move.


http://www.mbtn.net/if-i-had-hammer

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 07:35 PM
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This ex Met ended his major league career as a member of the White Sox, pitching 13 innings for the Pale Hose. There is no Topps card of him as a Met, but his lone White Sox card depicts him in an untouched Mets home uniform. If he lasted another season, The Man From Topps had the goods.



G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 07:39 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met never pitched for the Royals, and only had nine future innings pitched left in his tank by the time he got to Kansas City.


Dennis Ribant, whose shutout with 10 K's in his second ML start -- the first Met to file such a feat -- earned him Happiest Recap Game No. 28.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 07:40 PM
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This one's another toughie: the odd uniform number might throw you off. The Man From Topps photographed this former Met during his inaugural pre-rookie rookie season, when the young September call-up wore the unfamiliar #57.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 07:42 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
This ex Met ended his major league career as a member of the White Sox, pitching 13 innings for the Pale Hose. There is no Topps card of him as a Met, but his lone White Sox card depicts him in an untouched Mets home uniform. If he lasted another season, The Man From Topps had the goods.





Hard-hittin' Gerry Arrigo.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 07:43 PM
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This one's another toughie: the odd uniform number might throw you off. The Man From Topps photographed this former Met during his inaugural pre-rookie rookie season, when the youngster wore the unfamiliar #57.


Surely you Kid...

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 07:44 PM
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Take a bow.

G-Fafif
Sep 04 2013 07:49 PM
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Crazy fun alternate reality pictures. Except they were taken, so I guess they're actual reality. But still.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 07:53 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met never pitched for the Royals, and only had nine future innings pitched left in his tank by the time he got to Kansas City.


Not only did Ribant not throw a pitch for the Royals, but he was gone before the seaon even started. Still, Ribant actually appeared on a Topps card as a Royal. I guess he's Kansas City's Jerry Robertson.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 04 2013 08:14 PM
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This one's another toughie: the odd uniform number might throw you off. The Man From Topps photographed this former Met during his inaugural pre-rookie rookie season, when the youngster wore the unfamiliar #57.


Surely you Kid...



I believe Carter is pictured wearing 57 in his first Topps bb card, captured in mid-swing

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 08:22 PM
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I believe Carter is pictured wearing 57 in his first Topps bb card, captured in mid-swing


He is. More from the Mets-Expos connection:



This one time Met never appeared in a game for the Expos. And though he merited attention from The Man From Topps, he never appeared on a Topps baseball card of any kind. Ever.

themetfairy
Sep 04 2013 08:23 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:




This one time Met never appeared in a game for the Expos. And though he merited attention from The Man From Topps, he never appeared on a Topps baseball card of any kind. Ever.


Todd Zeile?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 08:34 PM
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This one-time Met with an asterisk ended up on Topps' cutting room floor as far as his Padres career was concerned. No Mets or Padres cards of this player exist. The Padres obtained him after Topps' print run was completed. His San Diego stint consisted of less than 20 at bats.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 08:35 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:




This one time Met never appeared in a game for the Expos. And though he merited attention from The Man From Topps, he never appeared on a Topps baseball card of any kind. Ever.


Todd Zeile?


No, but not a bad guess. Zeile played everywhere. The Expos might be the only team he didn't play for.

Zvon
Sep 04 2013 08:38 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:



These are great pictures. Even knowing it is I can't believe this is Lockwood.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 04 2013 08:40 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This one-time Met with an asterisk ended up on Topps' cutting room floor as far as his Padres career was concerned. No Mets or Padres cards of this player exist. The Padres obtained him after Topps' print run was completed. His San Diego stint consisted of less than 20 at bats.




Same player. Same deal. The one-time Met with an asterisk ended his career with the Pale Red Hose, without a Topps baseball card to commemorate his last gig. But he didn't escape the attention of The Man From Topps.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 12:41 AM
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A Met for most of his MLB career, he batted 47 times for the Brew Crew. He's Toppless as a Brewer.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 08:05 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:




This one time Met never appeared in a game for the Expos. And though he merited attention from The Man From Topps, he never appeared on a Topps baseball card of any kind. Ever.


Todd Zeile?


No, but not a bad guess. Zeile played everywhere. The Expos might be the only team he didn't play for.


He's been everywhere, man!

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 08:07 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This one-time Met with an asterisk ended up on Topps' cutting room floor as far as his Padres career was concerned. No Mets or Padres cards of this player exist. The Padres obtained him after Topps' print run was completed. His San Diego stint consisted of less than 20 at bats.




Same player. Same deal. The one-time Met with an asterisk ended his career with the Pale Red Hose, without a Topps baseball card to commemorate his last gig. But he didn't escape the attention of The Man From Topps.


The asterisk (and supporting evidence) suggests Jerry Moses, called up to the Mets in 1975 but avoiding playing before being sent on his way.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 08:10 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


A Met for most of his MLB career, he batted 47 times for the Brew Crew. He's Toppless as a Brewer.


And in ten years, he has a chance to bat no more times for anybody because sadly Greg Goossen is dead at the present time.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 08:13 AM
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I believe Carter is pictured wearing 57 in his first Topps bb card, captured in mid-swing


He is. More from the Mets-Expos connection:



This one time Met never appeared in a game for the Expos. And though he merited attention from The Man From Topps, he never appeared on a Topps baseball card of any kind. Ever.


I think that's some Moock.

Edgy MD
Sep 05 2013 08:16 AM
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I'm pretty sure that guy was an Apollo astronaut just visiting camp on a day off from Cape Kennedy.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 08:21 AM
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"Ground control to Major Moock -- defend the chain link fence at all costs!"

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 05 2013 09:07 AM
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The Pilots/Brewers uniform gives away the year. I think that's Greg Goossen.

OE: Ooops. I didn't see that FAIF beat me to that one!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 09:54 AM
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He ended his MLB career in the Mets organization, but never appeared in a game for the franchise. Didn't get a Topps Met card either.

Edgy MD
Sep 05 2013 10:01 AM
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That's Andres Gallaraga, being a little shy about his massive, massive arms.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 10:02 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:





I think that's some Moock.


G-Fafif wrote:




And in ten years, he has a chance to bat no more times for anybody because sadly Greg Goossen is dead at the present time.


G-Fafif wrote:








The asterisk (and supporting evidence) suggests Jerry Moses, called up to the Mets in 1975 but avoiding playing before being sent on his way.





batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 10:03 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
That's Andres Gallaraga, being a little shy about his massive, massive arms.


G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 10:11 AM
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Golly. Galarraga the would-be Met. I've been walking around not thinking about him in that context for well over eight years, yet he was front and center on the second day in the existence of FAFIF.

More importantly, why wasn't Galarraga photographed protecting a chain link fence. Or was the chain link fence done in by Joe Moock's negligence?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 05 2013 10:16 AM
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Remember when his nickname was "Radio Gaga"? I remember hearing Ralph Kiner talking about "Radio Gaga" and thinking that he was even less hip than I was. Not an easy feat.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 10:23 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Remember when his nickname was "Radio Gaga"? I remember hearing Ralph Kiner talking about "Radio Gaga" and thinking that he was even less hip than I was. Not an easy feat.


I do not remember that!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 10:23 AM
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This one-time Met with an asterisk ended up on Topps' cutting room floor as far as his Padres career was concerned. No Mets or Padres cards of this player exist. The Padres obtained him after Topps' print run was completed. His San Diego stint consisted of less than 20 at bats.




Same player. Same deal. The one-time Met with an asterisk ended his career with the Pale Red Hose, without a Topps baseball card to commemorate his last gig. But he didn't escape the attention of The Man From Topps.


The asterisk (and supporting evidence) suggests Jerry Moses, called up to the Mets in 1975 but avoiding playing before being sent on his way.


From the UMDB FAQ:

Why isn't Jerry Moses listed?
Jerry Moses, a catcher who played for the Red Sox, Yankees and five other clubs during a ten-year major league career, was on the Mets active roster during part of the 1975 season, but he never appeared in a game. Some have argued that his presence on the regular-season active roster should earn him a spot in our database, but we disagree. Our all-time roster is limited to players who have played in at least one official regular-season game. We've also received questions about Glenn Davis, Terry Puhl, and Charlie Hayes, big-league veterans who played in Mets spring training games. We're not including them, either, for the same reason.

Edgy MD
Sep 05 2013 10:39 AM
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Strange thing about Andres is that everything about his game performance in camp that spring suggested he had made the team.

I think what we appreciate about spring triaining tryouts is that a big part of what's being judged is not about what's happening in the games, and the Mets applauded his hitting but saw him day to day and didn't believe he could possibly make it through a season, or shuddered at the thought of him ever actually playing the field during a game.

Either that or the guy that had to get hurt for him to make the squad didn't get hurt.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 05 2013 10:52 AM
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Based on spring training games, I'm surprised Garth Brooks never got a card!

I think I saw some of those Andres games.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 10:55 AM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Based on spring training games, I'm surprised Garth Brooks never got a card!


Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 05 2013 10:56 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Based on spring training games, I'm surprised Garth Brooks never got a card!




I stand corrected!

Sadly for Garth, he's wearing a lesser uniform.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 10:57 AM
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G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 11:01 AM
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Garth the Padre appears to be Zvonesque fantasy, though it looks good. The OSU version is good exploitation -- and reminscent of the Partridge Family cards.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 11:13 AM
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I know that there's at least one guy on this forum who'll nail this player with the Metly connections in less time than it takes for Topps to remove the logo from a baseball cap.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 05 2013 12:10 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


I know that there's at least one guy on this forum who'll nail this player with the Metly connections in less time than it takes for Topps to remove the logo from a baseball cap.


Is that the Polo Grounds in the background? Chris Cannizzaro?

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 05 2013 12:29 PM
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Found it!

And that's from the 1969 set. So Topps poorly airbrushed a 7-year-old photo?

Zvon
Sep 05 2013 02:13 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:


Found it!

And that's from the 1969 set. So Topps poorly airbrushed a 7-year-old photo?


My brother and I were just talking about Topps reusing old pictures on cards. None were as old as 7 years tho. That might be the record.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 05 2013 02:45 PM
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Heck, he wasn't even on the Pirates that year. He was in Pittsburgh in 1968, playing in only 25 games, before heading to the Padres in 1969, I'm assuming in the expansion draft.

G-Fafif
Sep 05 2013 02:48 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:


Found it!

And that's from the 1969 set. So Topps poorly airbrushed a 7-year-old photo?


Phenomenon explored here.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 05:31 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 06 2013 07:14 PM

metsguyinmichigan wrote:


Found it!

And that's from the 1969 set. So Topps poorly airbrushed a 7-year-old photo?



For reason unknown, the first four series of Topps' 1969 set were downright disgraceful. Topps' shoddy production values included old photos (Cannizzaro above)

Al Jackson



old recycled photos (Mays '69 card is his '66 card cropped)



many reused photos from the 1968 set








And an extreme overabundance of capless head shots



An airbrushed removal of the KC cap logo below even though Duncan was an Athletic for his whole career, dating back to 1964, and the A's had moved to Oakland for the '68 season.


Tommie Agee in an airbrushed and logoless White Sox uniform even though he was an everyday playing Met in 1968 and slated to play everyday going into the '69 season.


These aren't isolated examples. The first four series of the 1969 set were replete with these types of cards.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 07:40 PM
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The slugger depicted on the front page of the newspaper above did not know it at the time, but by the time he joined the Mets organization, he had already played his final major league game.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 07:54 PM
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His major league career consisted of just 63 innings pitched, none of them with the Mets. He's Toppless and as far as I know, never even photographed by The Man From Topps. Still, we're bringing him back for your quizzing pleasure.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 05 2013 07:56 PM
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Armless Joe Jackson

Edgy MD
Sep 05 2013 08:04 PM
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Martin Milner?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 05 2013 08:08 PM
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This former Met spent a whole season pitching for Tony LaRussa's Cardinals, but amassed just 2 1/3 innings pitched for the Redbirds. He has no Card card. Most people taking this quiz would guess Jesse Orosco because of the uncanny resemblance the Cards pitcher bears to the iconic Met reliever.

Edgy MD
Sep 05 2013 08:15 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The slugger depicted on the front page of the newspaper above did not know it at the time, but by the time he joined the Mets organization, he had already played his final major league game.

That's Glenn Davis, laughing about how phallic it is when the swoosh penetrates the loop in the Y.

Zvon
Sep 05 2013 09:53 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Tommie Agee in an airbrushed and logoless White Sox uniform even though he was an everyday playing Met in 1968 and slated to play everyday going into the '69 season.


These aren't isolated examples. The first four series of the 1969 set were replete with these types of cards.

When I got the older Agee cards I never saw as a kid I was very disappointed in the '68,'69 Agees. Nothing to really show he was a Met. '69 really is the poorest.

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The slugger depicted on the front page of the newspaper above did not know it at the time, but by the time he joined the Mets organization, he had already played his final major league game.

Harry Reems?
Edgy MD wrote:
Martin Milner?

One Adam Twelve, One Adam Twelve. Be on the look out for whatever this weeks episode is about.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 06 2013 06:56 AM
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There's got to be a story behind that horrid 1969 set. Even the circle with the name was used another year. It's too bad to simply be a case of a company with a monopoly getting soft and lazy. I wonder if there was something else going on within the company that caused it's attention to be elsewhere, or whether there was a personnel change or something.

Edgy MD
Sep 06 2013 07:24 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Tommie Agee in an airbrushed and logoless White Sox uniform even though he was an everyday playing Met in 1968 and slated to play everyday going into the '69 season.


Even overlapping the autograph with the team name comes off as pretty bush.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 06 2013 07:26 AM
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That's not an autograph. That's a watermark from whatever web site is hosting that image.

Edgy MD
Sep 06 2013 07:31 AM
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Well, then, never mind and stuff.

What I really like about that fake young Agee card floating around is that it's a rare image where his athleticism is shining thought in the flower of his youth. Like Jackie Robinson, he appears to have had a perhaps not-yet-diagnosed diabetic condition going on during his career, and he got old while he was still young.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 06 2013 10:08 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Well, then, never mind and stuff.

What I really like about that fake young Agee card floating around is that it's a rare image where his athleticism is shining thought in the flower of his youth. Like Jackie Robinson, he appears to have had a perhaps not-yet-diagnosed diabetic condition going on during his career, and he got old while he was still young.


Speaking of Jackie Robinson, I finally got to see 42 this week. Nice to see the Ed Charles thing in there at the end. So, work with me here: No Jackie would mean no Ed Charles inspired as kid would mean no Ed Charles helping lead the 1969 Mets would mean no World Championship. Rotunda justified.

Edgy MD
Sep 06 2013 10:16 AM
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Jackie Robinson also helped talk Donn Clendenon's stepfather talk young Donn out of football and into baseball.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 10:48 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The slugger depicted on the front page of the newspaper above did not know it at the time, but by the time he joined the Mets organization, he had already played his final major league game.

That's Glenn Davis, laughing about how phallic it is when the swoosh penetrates the loop in the Y.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 10:51 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

His major league career consisted of just 63 innings pitched, none of them with the Mets. He's Toppless and as far as I know, was never even photographed by The Man From Topps. Still, we're bringing him back for your quizzing pleasure.


... bringing back yesterday's unsolved quiz.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 11:06 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

His major league career consisted of just 63 innings pitched, none of them with the Mets. He's Toppless and as far as I know, was never even photographed by The Man From Topps. Still, we're bringing him back for your quizzing pleasure.


... bringing back yesterday's unsolved quiz.


He was a one year wonder. No. Make that a One Year Wonder.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 03:51 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

His major league career consisted of just 63 innings pitched, none of them with the Mets. He's Toppless and as far as I know, was never even photographed by The Man From Topps. Still, we're bringing him back for your quizzing pleasure.


... bringing back yesterday's unsolved quiz.


He was a one year wonder. No. Make that a One Year Wonder.



Jesus Christ! I said I was bringing him back ferchrissakes.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 03:55 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:



I know that guys face but not his name, I think. That don't help here. But for the record I know that guys face!

Yo, I was coloring a Westrum and dewatermarking a Seaver and I notice that both these pics are taken in the same little corner of the world, what, 5, 6 years apart? Same tree back there. Whoever that is up there, he might be in the same corner, different angle, can't tell. Don't see that section of fence that juts out. Trees don't seem to line up right.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 04:00 PM
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But what about the structure coming out of the top of Seaver's head? Wait? Are you saying that just the Westrum and Seaver shots might be from the same location, or all three shots, including the unknown Met that I was bringing back, like I already said so?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 04:02 PM
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The fence in the Westrum background is two square sections high. Not sure if I can tell in the Seaver shot.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 04:03 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
But what about the structure coming out of the top of Seaver's head?


It might not be visible from the Westrum angle. Wes is standing much closer to the foul line.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 04:20 PM
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I know that guys face but not his name, I think. That don't help here. But for the record I know that guys face!

Yo, I was coloring a Westrum and dewatermarking a Seaver and I notice that both these pics are taken in the same little corner of the world, what, 5, 6 years apart? Same tree back there. Whoever that is up there, he might be in the same corner, different angle, can't tell. Don't see that section of fence that juts out. Trees don't seem to line up right.


I now agree. Wes and Tom are standing in the same area of the Mets Spring Training complex. So is Bill Sudakis (below): The street-light over Sudakis's left shoulder is the giveaway. I think there's a good chance that the pitcher I was bringing back also posed in that same area, but before the cage-like structure was built.



Plus, you could tell from the Sudakis photo that the object coming out of Seaver's head is a wooden telephone pole.

Edgy MD
Sep 06 2013 05:03 PM
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Sudakis has a shine on his shoes that Seaver lacks. Pro's pro my ass.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 05:15 PM
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I now agree. Wes and Tom are standing in the same area of the Mets Spring Training complex. So is Bill Sudakis (below): The street-light over Sudakis's left shoulder is the giveaway. I think there's a good chance that the pitcher I was bringing back also posed in that same area, but before the cage-like structure was built.



Plus, you could tell from the Sudakis photo that the object coming out of Seaver's head is a wooden telephone pole.

"Bring back" seems to be a clue that means a lot. But I don't get it. I know his face though!
Swing him around to the foul line and maybe those trees line up. I'm thinking close, a field over?

The Sudakis is a keeper.
:)

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 05:47 PM
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whoops, didnt include the guy.

I think we all know who this is. But what in the name of all that is orange and blue is with that Dodger uni? I don't think I've ever seen this exact piping on their jersey before.


I won't break with tradition but I will talk about the game here. Okay, I get it, you got guts Zack. Too many pitches Mr Wheeler.

Nice throw out by d'!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 06:39 PM
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Zvon wrote:

whoops, didnt include the guy.

I think we all know who this is. But what in the name of all that is orange and blue is with that Dodger uni? I don't think I've ever seen this exact piping on their jersey before.


I won't break with tradition but I will talk about the game here. Okay, I get it, you got guts Zack. Too many pitches Mr Wheeler.

Nice throw out by d'!


That's the Dodgers one year only 1971 road uniform, with one stripe running along the top of each shoulder.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 06:46 PM
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It looks both bush and retro. Then. And now.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 06:48 PM
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Zvon wrote:

"Bring back" seems to be a clue that means a lot. But I don't get it. I know his face though!




I'm gonna call him "B.B." from now on. For "Bring Back".

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 09:15 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:

"Bring back" seems to be a clue that means a lot. But I don't get it. I know his face though!




I'm gonna call him "B.B." from now on. For "Bring Back".


I'm bringing back this quiz.

BB was the winning pitcher in the Mets first win ever.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 09:39 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:

"Bring back" seems to be a clue that means a lot. But I don't get it. I know his face though!




I'm gonna call him "B.B." from now on. For "Bring Back".


I'm bringing back this quiz.

BB was the winning pitcher in the Mets first win ever.


His name rhymes with Cobb Snots.

G-Fafif
Sep 06 2013 09:39 PM
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Bring Back Butterball Botz!!!!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 09:42 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Bring Back Butterball Botz!!!!


What the hell took you so long?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 09:44 PM
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Bring Back Butterball Botz!!!!


What the hell took you so long?


From Bob's Custom Cards:

G-Fafif
Sep 06 2013 09:47 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
Bring Back Butterball Botz!!!!


What the hell took you so long?


The "bring back" thing actually threw me at first, like we had him in the minors, traded him, got him back, gave him one of those spring tryouts...and then the Bobby Valentine photo sent me in another direction altogether, like he was a throw-in to the deal that sent B.B. to the Angels.

Plus, let's face it, he doesn't look so Butterballish.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 09:55 PM
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G-Fafif
Sep 06 2013 10:01 PM
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Lenny Shecter's version:

When the Mets returned to the Polo Grounds to play the Cardinals on Opening Day [1963], the fans were already in mid-season form. One of their banners read: "BRING BACK BUTTERBALL BOTZ."


Botz, Shecter also noted, "was so bad Dawes Hamilt could hit line drives off him."

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 10:04 PM
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Lenny Shecter's version:

When the Mets returned to the Polo Grounds to play the Cardinals on Opening Day [1963], the fans were already in mid-season form. One of their banners read: "BRING BACK BUTTERBALL BOTZ."


Botz, Shecter also noted, "was so bad Dawes Hamilt could hit line drives off him."


I love that book.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 10:09 PM
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Bob "Butterball" Botz. I shan't ever forget.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 10:12 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Lenny Shecter's version:

When the Mets returned to the Polo Grounds to play the Cardinals on Opening Day [1963], the fans were already in mid-season form. One of their banners read: "BRING BACK BUTTERBALL BOTZ."


Botz, Shecter also noted, "was so bad Dawes Hamilt could hit line drives off him."


Shecter's version, in which a fan banner is the medium for the slogan, is the more familiar version. I tried surfing for that version, but could not find it, so I went with Isaac's tale instead. Did you type your post from Shecter's book?

G-Fafif
Sep 06 2013 10:32 PM
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Lenny Shecter's version:

When the Mets returned to the Polo Grounds to play the Cardinals on Opening Day [1963], the fans were already in mid-season form. One of their banners read: "BRING BACK BUTTERBALL BOTZ."


Botz, Shecter also noted, "was so bad Dawes Hamilt could hit line drives off him."


Shecter's version, in which a fan banner is the medium for the slogan, is the more familiar version. I tried surfing for that version, but could not find it, so I went with Isaac's tale instead. Did you type your post from Shecter's book?


Yup.

Maybe they both had it. People yell and write LET'S GO METS.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 11:21 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

BB was the winning pitcher in the Mets first win ever.


So this was a spring training game? He did not make the database, no MLB time. Gimme some stats I'll make a card for him front and back.

I have to look more at Bobw's work. I only found my way there recently. He might be the best.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 11:24 PM
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This one-time Met and San Diego Rule V pick never got to play for the Padres. He then landed in Pittsburgh -- traded in exchange for the expansion team's future all-star catcher, Chris Cannizzaro. Cannizaro was once a Met, too, by the way. And even appeared on a baseball card as a Met. And continued to appear on a baseball card as a Met even when he wasn't a Met anymore by a good many years. But that's a whole 'nuther story by itself and this post isn't really supposed to be about Chris Cannizzaro. The man in the Padres uniform above didn't get to play for the Pirates, just like he didn't get to play for the Padres. And then he ran out teams that were interested in him. But The Man From Topps couldn't resist shooting anything in those original snazzy Padres unis.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 11:27 PM
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I found something. [url]http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=botzbo01


I know his face. That gap toothed smile. But not the name.

Zvon
Sep 06 2013 11:29 PM
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Wait. I do know this. Bobby Klaus. Just saw his 68 card recently.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 11:34 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Wait. I do know this. Bobby Klaus. Just saw his 68 card recently.




batmagadanleadoff
Sep 06 2013 11:43 PM
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Photographed by The Man From Topps in his old stomping grounds, you won't find this ex-Met on any baseball card in a Redbird uniform.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 12:28 AM
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He played on two Met pennant winning teams. I hope he got the blingy rings to commemorate those stints, 'cause he didn't get any Mets baseball cards from Topps.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 11:14 AM
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This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 11:17 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 07 2013 01:04 PM


If it weren't for the one team that he played for between his Met and Yankee stints, he might've been the only modern player in baseball history who wouldn't of had to change residences, stadiums or even lockers though he was traded from one league to the other.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 11:23 AM
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Zvon wrote:





There's that spot again.



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 11:56 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This one-time Met and San Diego Rule V pick never got to play for the Padres. He then landed in Pittsburgh -- traded in exchange for the expansion team's future all-star catcher, Chris Cannizzaro. Cannizaro was once a Met, too, by the way. And even appeared on a baseball card as a Met. And continued to appear on a baseball card as a Met even when he wasn't a Met anymore by a good many years. But that's a whole 'nuther story by itself and this post isn't really supposed to be about Chris Cannizzaro. The man in the Padres uniform above didn't get to play for the Pirates, just like he didn't get to play for the Padres, either. And then he ran out of teams that were interested in him. But The Man From Topps couldn't resist shooting anything in those original snazzy Padres unis.


batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
Wait. I do know this. Bobby Klaus. Just saw his 68 card recently.






You could see that Klaus's Padres and Mets card used shots from the same photo session.
Klaus is the Padres' Jerry Robertson.

Zvon
Sep 07 2013 01:15 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

If it weren't for the one team that he played for between his Met and Yankee stints, he might've been the only modern player in baseball history who wouldn't of had to change residences, stadiums or even lockers though he was traded from one league to the other.


Bill Sudakis when the Yankees slept over for those two years.

Also a spot man but Sadeki now reigns as King Of The Spot, having seen two cards of him hanging out in that little corner of the world.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 05:28 PM
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Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

If it weren't for the one team that he played for between his Met and Yankee stints, he might've been the only modern player in baseball history who wouldn't of had to change residences, stadiums or even lockers though he was traded from one league to the other.


Bill Sudakis when the Yankees slept over for those two years.

Also a spot man but Sadeki now reigns as King Of The Spot, having seen two cards of him hanging out in that little corner of the world.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 09:40 PM
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This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 07 2013 10:03 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Photographed by The Man From Topps in his old stomping grounds, you won't find this ex-Met on any baseball card in a Redbird uniform.



He has a World Series ring to remember his last season as a major leaguer.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 11:50 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Photographed by The Man From Topps in his old stomping grounds, you won't find this ex-Met on any baseball card in a Redbird uniform.



He has a World Series ring to remember his last season as a major leaguer.



"What do you call it when the same letter
appears consecutively in a word? Like the "l"
in llama. Or the "b" in rubber? There's gotta be
a word for that, right? Anyway there are repeating
consecutive letters in my first name and in my last name."

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 11:53 AM
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This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 11:58 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


He played on two Met pennant winning teams. I hope he got the blingy rings to commemorate those stints, 'cause he didn't get any Mets baseball cards from Topps.



"I ain't got any repeating consecutive letters in any of my names. But I'm the easiest one to solve of the remaining
'Who Am I's'? You don't need any more hints".

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 12:34 PM
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The Man From Topps photographed this one-time Met in the uniform of the last organization he'd ever belong to. He never got to play for the Big Red Machine, or anybody else since this photograph was taken. In fact, if you look up his Baseball Reference page, you won't find any evidence indicating that the player ever belonged to the Reds. Not a single Reds plate appearance. Or a single Reds defensive substitution. Or even a mention of the words Reds or Cincinnati in his transactions section. But Topps knew.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 12:42 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


He played on two Met pennant winning teams. I hope he got the blingy rings to commemorate those stints, 'cause he didn't get any Mets baseball cards from Topps.



"I ain't got any repeating consecutive letters in any of my names. But I'm the easiest one to solve of the remaining
'Who Am I's'? You don't need any more hints".



Gosger?

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 12:45 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Photographed by The Man From Topps in his old stomping grounds, you won't find this ex-Met on any baseball card in a Redbird uniform.



He has a World Series ring to remember his last season as a major leaguer.



"What do you call it when the same letter
appears consecutively in a word? Like the "l"
in llama. Or the "b" in rubber? There's gotta be
a word for that, right? Anyway there are repeating
consecutive letters in my first name and in my last name."



Eddie Bressoud?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 12:46 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


He played on two Met pennant winning teams. I hope he got the blingy rings to commemorate those stints, 'cause he didn't get any Mets baseball cards from Topps.



"I ain't got any repeating consecutive letters in any of my names. But I'm the easiest one to solve of the remaining
'Who Am I's'? You don't need any more hints".



Gosger?


Gosger.



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 12:47 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Photographed by The Man From Topps in his old stomping grounds, you won't find this ex-Met on any baseball card in a Redbird uniform.



He has a World Series ring to remember his last season as a major leaguer.



"What do you call it when the same letter
appears consecutively in a word? Like the "l"
in llama. Or the "b" in rubber? There's gotta be
a word for that, right? Anyway there are repeating
consecutive letters in my first name and in my last name."



Eddie Bressoud?


Eddie Bressoud



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 12:58 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:19 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.


My gosh, he looks familiar.

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 01:20 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

Rod Gasper

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 01:21 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The Man From Topps photographed this one-time Met in the uniform of the last organization he'd ever belong to. He never got to play for the Big Red Machine, or anybody else since this photograph was taken. In fact, if you look up his Baseball Reference page, you won't find any evidence indicating that the player ever belonged to the Reds. Not a single Reds plate appearance. Or a single Reds defensive substitution. Or even a mention of the words Reds or Cincinnati in his transactions section. But Topps knew.

Bob Aspromonte

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 01:22 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Bob Botz 62 card. It'll take a while before I make the back.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:24 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

Rod Gasper


Gaspar was my initial guess but he looked different when I cross-checked.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:25 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The Man From Topps photographed this one-time Met in the uniform of the last organization he'd ever belong to. He never got to play for the Big Red Machine, or anybody else since this photograph was taken. In fact, if you look up his Baseball Reference page, you won't find any evidence indicating that the player ever belonged to the Reds. Not a single Reds plate appearance. Or a single Reds defensive substitution. Or even a mention of the words Reds or Cincinnati in his transactions section. But Topps knew.

Bob Aspromonte




batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:26 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2013 01:29 PM


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.


My gosh, he looks familiar.


Quite frankly, he gets that all the time. They kinda recognize him, but never quite get his name.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:28 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

Rod Gasper






batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:28 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:30 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

Rod Gasper








That it was Gaspar doesn't surprise me. What's shocking is I've never seen that SI cover.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:31 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

Rod Gasper








That it was Gaspar doesn't surprise me. What's shocking is I've never seen that SI cover.


Get outta here.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:32 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


San Diego was the end of the baseball line for this former Met and Sports Illustrated cover boy who, you might agree, looks stupid cool in the Padres' original uniform. What's his name? Photography credits: The Man From Topps.

Rod Gasper








That it was Gaspar doesn't surprise me. What's shocking is I've never seen that SI cover.


Get outta here.


I Rod Gaspar you not.

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 01:35 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 08 2013 01:37 PM


This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

Damn I know his face.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Ever see this one?

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:38 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Ever see this one?



Oh yeah.

Was there a post-WS cover in'69? I've read the text.

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 01:39 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Ever see this one?



Oh yeah.

Was there a post-WS cover in'69? I've read the text.


Some basketball player got that cover IIRC, which I usually don't.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:42 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Neither 69 nor 86 early WS cover reflects what lied/lay/lain ahead.

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 01:44 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Yea, some no name.

Or other name.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:46 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
Ever see this one?



Oh yeah.


Ever see that cover in full?



G-Fafif wrote:
Was there a post-WS cover in'69? I've read the text.


Alcindor was SI's cover for the Shea Stadium portion of the '69 series. In those days, SI would rarely publish a WS issue crowning the champs on the cover. The series started on a Saturday. And SI sent the final version of the upcoming mag to the presses on Sunday night. Sunday was generally SI's cut-off for news coverage. They were generally resistant to putting the WS on the cover for a 2d week in a row because by the time that issue would hit the newstands, the WS was, their thinking went, old news.


There were exceptions to this practice and by the '80's, technology advanced to the point that they could extend their deadlines. The '86 series was covered for two consecutive weeks. (Rice and Carter play at the plate and then Ray Knight).

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 01:48 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
Yea, some no name.

Or other name.


SI revealed if Sox had won in 5 in 86, next cover would've been Magic Johnson & Jack Nicholson. Guess curse of Bambino not so big a deal yet.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 01:52 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
Zvon wrote:
Yea, some no name.

Or other name.


SI revealed if Sox had won in 5 in 86, next cover would've been Magic Johnson & Jack Nicholson. Guess curse of Bambino not so big a deal yet.


I was just gonna post this. Here's the cover that got bumped off and never was.



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 02:56 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
Bob Botz 62 card. It'll take a while before I make the back.




Good job. I see that you adjusted the colors to give that photo the Topps 1962 patina. By the way, the original Botz photo I posted is not a Topps shot. I found it on the web a few years ago and saved it to my PC.

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 03:26 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
Bob Botz 62 card. It'll take a while before I make the back.




Good job. I see that you adjusted the colors to give that photo the Topps 1962 patina. By the way, the original Botz photo I posted is not a Topps shot. I found it on the web a few years ago and saved it to my PC.

Thnx. It don't suck. I've been getting good at colorization. It can be a bitch. That's the first color correction deal. Ironic that the color I have most trouble with is the Met blue (I always want to make it a more royal blue for some reason). And skin tones of course. The colorization of the Bunning perfecto pic is...well, I'm working it and every time I look at it I get one a those wow moments. Kinda surprised there isn't a colorization of that out there already.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 03:28 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Someone's been doin' some heavy lifting with that Botz photo.



http://imperialsportsauctions.com/lot-212.aspx

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 03:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

116$ Come on, Botz had to buy that himself, lol.

G-Fafif
Sep 08 2013 04:09 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Your colorization makes everything just a touch otherworldly. Feels very signature.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 06:26 PM
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On his personal multi-city odyssey of Major League Baseball during the season in question, he hit more HR's for the Padres than for any other team. But you won't find him on a Topps baseball card in those Padres duds; the San Diego mid-season acquisition was onto his next city before season's end. But The Man From Topps - he is everywhere and sees everything.

themetfairy
Sep 08 2013 07:11 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


On his personal multi-city odyssey of Major League Baseball during the season in question, he hit more HR's for the Padres than for any other team. But you won't find him on a Topps baseball card in those Padres duds; the San Diego mid-season acquisition was onto his next city before season's end. But The Man From Topps - he is everywhere and sees everything.


That looks like Dave Kingman.

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 07:32 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
Your colorization makes everything just a touch otherworldly. Feels very signature.

I don't know if people who do it regular would agree, but my goal is to make it so no one even notices its been colored. And so far, thats been next to impossible. I'm getting close tho, some turning out better than others.
Which skin tone looks most correct?

I imagine this is an individual taste kinda thing. Over the years I've noticed I see colors more vividly than other people - not quite Van Goghish but in that direction.

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
But The Man From Topps - he is everywhere and sees everything.

dag-blam-bastid Man From Topps.

Edgy MD
Sep 08 2013 09:38 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


On his personal multi-city odyssey of Major League Baseball during the season in question, he hit more HR's for the Padres than for any other team. But you won't find him on a Topps baseball card in those Padres duds; the San Diego mid-season acquisition was onto his next city before season's end. But The Man From Topps - he is everywhere and sees everything.


That looks like Dave Kingman.

In the midst of a four-team season. I wonder who the last guy to play on that many big-league teams in a season is.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 08 2013 09:45 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

Damn I know his face.


The next clue is in this anagram:

A Citi Field Hookworm Intro

Zvon
Sep 08 2013 10:33 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


Which skin tone looks most correct?

I imagine this is an individual taste kinda thing. Over the years I've noticed I see colors more vividly than other people - not quite Van Goghish but in that direction.

Btw, thats like a poll question for everyone. I don't totally trust my eyes after working a pic for a long time. And let me rephrase the question: Which skin tone looks more like it would in a photograph? (In the Wes pics above^)


See this Casey, I'm not sure.
It's a cross between close and, if I was making a wax likeness of him for Madame Tussauds, perfect.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 12:11 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


On his personal multi-city odyssey of Major League Baseball during the season in question, he hit more HR's for the Padres than for any other team. But you won't find him on a Topps baseball card in those Padres duds; the San Diego mid-season acquisition was onto his next city before season's end. But The Man From Topps - he is everywhere and sees everything.


That looks like Dave Kingman.


And I forgot to mention that the traveling Padre was a Met.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 12:19 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This former Met belongs to the same exclusive club as Mr. Hookworm Intro, up above: membership in the club is predicated on something that they didn't do. You won't find any Topps baseball cards of this Met in his Met uniform. But just the same, The Man From Topps kept a fingerprint file on the guy, and pictures, too. In this shot, our ex Met poses at the Sadecki Spot, throwing an invisible baseball. Either that or he's concealing five or six baseballs inside of his massive right hand. He could probably hide three or four more baseballs in that paw of his if he weren't also holding a cantaloupe, Yogi Berra's comic book collection and Jane Jarvis's organ.

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 05:37 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This former Met belongs to the same exclusive club as Mr. Hookworm Intro, up above: membership in the club is predicated on something that they didn't do. You won't find any Topps baseball cards of this Met in his Met uniform. But just the same, The Man From Topps kept a fingerprint file on the guy, and pictures, too. In this shot, our ex Met poses at the Sadecki Spot, throwing an invisible baseball. Either that or he's concealing five or six baseballs inside of his massive right hand. He could probably hide three or four more baseballs in that paw of his if he weren't also holding a cantaloupe, Yogi Berra's comic book collection and Jane Jarvis's organ.


Big Jim Bibby.

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 05:39 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

Damn I know his face.


The next clue is in this anagram:

A Citi Field Hookworm Intro


Hi (Randy) Bobb.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:51 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This former Met belongs to the same exclusive club as Mr. Hookworm Intro, up above: membership in the club is predicated on something that they didn't do. You won't find any Topps baseball cards of this Met in his Met uniform. But just the same, The Man From Topps kept a fingerprint file on the guy, and pictures, too. In this shot, our ex Met poses at the Sadecki Spot, throwing an invisible baseball. Either that or he's concealing five or six baseballs inside of his massive right hand. He could probably hide three or four more baseballs in that paw of his if he weren't also holding a cantaloupe, Yogi Berra's comic book collection and Jane Jarvis's organ.


Big Jim Bibby.






batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:55 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

Damn I know his face.


The next clue is in this anagram:

A Citi Field Hookworm Intro


Hi (Randy) Bobb.








A Citi Field Hookworm Intro is an anagram for On A Rookie Card With Tim Foli

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 11:14 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This former Met belongs to the same exclusive club as Mr. Hookworm Intro, up above: membership in the club is predicated on something that they didn't do.


Though Bibby and Bobb never appeared in a game for the NY Mets, they were both on the active 25 man roster, either in the dugout or in the bullpen, in uniform and eligible to play. They just never got the call. Who are the other Mets in this club?

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:17 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:17 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:18 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:18 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:22 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


Not available in polyester or lycra...only Cotton, Billy.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 11:22 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Try and find a photo of one of these cotton-pickin' Mets.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 11:22 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Try and find a photo of one of these cotton-pickin' Mets.


Never mind.

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:24 AM
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G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:25 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

That's as many as I can recall offhand. I know Wilbur Huckle is a matter of conjecture in this department.

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 11:27 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Cotton and Hansen fictitiously honored, along with the man who would've sold the shirts right off their backs, June 10, 2008.

dinosaur jesus
Sep 09 2013 01:09 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


Which skin tone looks most correct?

I imagine this is an individual taste kinda thing. Over the years I've noticed I see colors more vividly than other people - not quite Van Goghish but in that direction.

Btw, thats like a poll question for everyone. I don't totally trust my eyes after working a pic for a long time. And let me rephrase the question: Which skin tone looks more like it would in a photograph? (In the Wes pics above^)


I'd say number 1, though it could use maybe just a little more yellow. Number 2 is a bit too rosy. And number 3 might be the one if you took the saturation down a touch. But they're all pretty damn convincing.

Edgy MD
Sep 09 2013 01:20 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Number two speaks of a spring training complexion. It gets my vote.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 02:34 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



If you know your Mets, you're twice as likely to figure out who this player is who pitched for both the Mets and Padres -- so long as you don't go looking in Topps' database of Padres baseball cards. 'Cause like Kevin McReynolds, you won't find this pitcher on Topps cardboard in a Padres uniform. For that, you'll need to seek out The Man From Topps.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 09 2013 03:04 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


If you know your Mets, you're twice as likely to figure out who this player is who pitched for both the Mets and Padres -- so long as you don't go looking in Topps' database of Padres baseball cards. 'Cause like Kevin McReynolds, you won't find this pitcher on Topps cardboard in a Padres uniform. For that, you'll need to seek out The Man From Topps.



Is that Dave Marshall?

OE, I think not. Marshall was an outfielder and this guy looks like a pitcher.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 09 2013 04:16 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Dave Roberts. (Got the Twice clue).

Zvon
Sep 09 2013 04:39 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


Which skin tone looks most correct?

I imagine this is an individual taste kinda thing. Over the years I've noticed I see colors more vividly than other people - not quite Van Goghish but in that direction.

Btw, thats like a poll question for everyone. I don't totally trust my eyes after working a pic for a long time. And let me rephrase the question: Which skin tone looks more like it would in a photograph? (In the Wes pics above^)


I'd say number 1, though it could use maybe just a little more yellow. Number 2 is a bit too rosy. And number 3 might be the one if you took the saturation down a touch. But they're all pretty damn convincing.
Edgy MD wrote:
Number two speaks of a spring training complexion. It gets my vote.


thnx guys. I'm gonna try 3 with a sat tone down. That might look more like the skin tones on that years cards too. 1 with a little yellow might have the same effect. I see now, on the 66 Topps, Wes's skin was a tad to the orange side. I personally agree with you Edge, 2 looks most spring ruddy.
I'll just try all those tweaks you mentioned DJ. That's the fun of it.


The Jim Bibby pic is excellent!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 05:32 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Dave Roberts. (Got the Twice clue).


Dave Roberts was, (and probably still is) a lefty.

dinosaur jesus
Sep 09 2013 05:58 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Dave Roberts. (Got the Twice clue).


Dave Roberts was, (and probably still is) a lefty.



He might still be, but not in this life. Mr. Roberts passed away a few years ago.

Edgy MD
Sep 09 2013 09:27 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

I was expecting Met Hunter to be the one to swoop in with the necrological fact clarifyin'.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 09:52 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 09 2013 10:42 PM


On his Padres resume, this player has one heckuvanoutstanding season. On his Met resume, there's nothing but the quiet desperation of a player on the fringes of major league baseball. Topps never bothered to put him on a card in a Met uniform. But The Man From Topps -- he loves those early San Diego duds and the candy colored stands that ring around old Shea Stadium.

MFS62
Sep 09 2013 09:57 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Is the righty Dick Selma?

Later

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:10 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

MFS62 wrote:
Is the righty Dick Selma?

Later


Zvon
Sep 09 2013 10:14 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


If you know your Mets, you're twice as likely to figure out who this player is who pitched for both the Mets and Padres -- so long as you don't go looking in Topps' database of Padres baseball cards. 'Cause like Kevin McReynolds, you won't find this pitcher on Topps cardboard in a Padres uniform. For that, you'll need to seek out The Man From Topps.


Bob Miller.

Guy above I thought maybe Doug Rader but after google'n him to see, no.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:19 PM
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Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Sep 09 2013 10:26 PM



This one-time Met with the blazing fastball once held the major league record for most strikeouts by a relief pitcher. He never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Padres uniform, but as you can figure by now, in the end, The Man From Topps, with his personal jones for early Padres uniforms, got his Kodak moment.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:21 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


If you know your Mets, you're twice as likely to figure out who this player is who pitched for both the Mets and Padres -- so long as you don't go looking in Topps' database of Padres baseball cards. 'Cause like Kevin McReynolds, you won't find this pitcher on Topps cardboard in a Padres uniform. For that, you'll need to seek out The Man From Topps.


Bob Miller.

Guy above I thought maybe Doug Rader but after google'n him to see, no.


I said he was a pitcher. The Red Rooster manned the hot corner.

Zvon
Sep 09 2013 10:23 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


If you know your Mets, you're twice as likely to figure out who this player is who pitched for both the Mets and Padres -- so long as you don't go looking in Topps' database of Padres baseball cards. 'Cause like Kevin McReynolds, you won't find this pitcher on Topps cardboard in a Padres uniform. For that, you'll need to seek out The Man From Topps.


Bob Miller.

Guy above I thought maybe Doug Rader but after google'n him to see, no.


I said he was a pitcher. The Red Rooster manned the hot corner.


I don't read I just look at the pictures. Oh. K, Ill read too.
The Red Rooster,lol.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:25 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
Zvon wrote:


If you know your Mets, you're twice as likely to figure out who this player is who pitched for both the Mets and Padres -- so long as you don't go looking in Topps' database of Padres baseball cards. 'Cause like Kevin McReynolds, you won't find this pitcher on Topps cardboard in a Padres uniform. For that, you'll need to seek out The Man From Topps.


Bob Miller.

Guy above I thought maybe Doug Rader but after google'n him to see, no.


I said he was a pitcher. The Red Rooster manned the hot corner.


I don't read I just look at the pictures. Oh. K, Ill read too.
The Red Rooster,lol.


Plus, Rader never played for the Mets. You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:30 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Off the top of my head, I don't know much about this Met and I'm not in the mood to google him, either. So I'll tell you what little I do know: He was a Met, a Toppless Met. But The Man From Topps yada yada yada you know the drill sees everything blah blah blah.

G-Fafif
Sep 09 2013 10:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Off the top of my head, I don't know much about this Met and I'm not in the mood to google him, either. So I'll tell you what little I do know: He was a Met, a Toppless Met. But The Man From Topps yada yada yada you know the drill sees everything blah blah blah.


The late Jay Kleven.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:39 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Off the top of my head, I don't know much about this Met and I'm not in the mood to google him, either. So I'll tell you what little I do know: He was a Met, a Toppless Met. But The Man From Topps yada yada yada you know the drill sees everything blah blah blah.


The late Jay Kleven.


Oh yeah. He died. I knew that too.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:44 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This one-time Met with the blazing fastball once held the major league record for most strikeouts by a relief pitcher. He never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Padres uniform, but as you can figure by now, in the end, The Man From Topps, with his personal jones for early Padres uniforms, got his Kodak moment.


bump

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:44 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

On his Padres resume, this player has one heckuvanoutstanding season. On his Met resume, there's nothing but the quiet desperation of a player on the fringes of major league baseball. Topps never bothered to put him on a card in a Met uniform. But The Man From Topps -- he loves those early San Diego duds and the candy colored stands that ring around old Shea Stadium.


bump

Zvon
Sep 09 2013 10:45 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Off the top of my head, I don't know much about this Met and I'm not in the mood to google him, either. So I'll tell you what little I do know: He was a Met, a Toppless Met. But The Man From Topps yada yada yada you know the drill sees everything blah blah blah.


The late Jay Kleven.


Oh yeah. He died. I knew that too.


Plus, Rader never played for the Mets. You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?

I doubt I'd do any better.

I followed the team real hard in the early 70's and I have no idea who that is.

update: Kleven? Never heard of him.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 10:59 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

"No, man. Seriously. Scotty was supposed to beam Kirk and Spock onto Quanzar 29 but messed up from all
of those blueberry pies he was heaving. Scotty was drunkwalking like he was smoking the schwang and shit but
anyway, instead Spock and Kirk end up in Shea Stadium right in the middle of the 9th inning and ol Casey, he
doesn't notice anything wrong and so sends Kirk to pinch hit against Sandy Fuckin' Koufax. Besides, Kirk's ta-ta's
are a lot firmer than Billy Cowan's. But Spock has like all the angles and trajectories calclulated in his
Vulcan brain right down to the fraction of a fraction. Of a fraction. Of an inch. And figures that he should be pinch-hitting
instead of Kirk....."



Edgy MD
Sep 10 2013 06:01 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

What the... Nice.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 10 2013 07:00 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Off the top of my head, I don't know much about this Met and I'm not in the mood to google him, either. So I'll tell you what little I do know: He was a Met, a Toppless Met. But The Man From Topps yada yada yada you know the drill sees everything blah blah blah.


The late Jay Kleven.


Oh yeah. He died. I knew that too.




Looks like he's using Jerry Grote's bat.

cooby
Sep 10 2013 09:04 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

What a great thread! I need to visit here more

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 10:47 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?

I doubt I'd do any better.




OK, just this once, a Who Am I? featuring a player who never belonged to the Mets. You won't find this extremely well known pitcher on Dodger cardboard. You'd be lucky to even find a photograph of the guy in Dodger Blue. Unless you're The Man From Topps.

cooby
Sep 10 2013 10:59 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Chuck Connors

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 11:31 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

cooby wrote:
Chuck Connors


You make the call.

cooby
Sep 10 2013 11:45 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Ha! Didn't really think so...just a guess

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 12:01 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?

I doubt I'd do any better.




OK, just this once, a Who Am I? featuring a player who never belonged to the Mets. You won't find this extremely well known pitcher on Dodger cardboard. You'd be lucky to even find a photograph of the guy in Dodger Blue. Unless you're The Man From Topps.


Though he never belonged to the Mets, you might say that the Mets belonged to him.

Zvon
Sep 10 2013 12:43 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
"No, man. Seriously. Scotty was supposed to beam Kirk and Spock onto Quanzar 29 but messed up from all
of those blueberry pies he was heaving. Scotty was drunkwalking like he was smoking the schwang and shit but
anyway, instead Spock and Kirk end up in Shea Stadium right in the middle of the 9th inning and ol Casey, he
doesn't notice anything wrong and so sends Kirk to pinch hit against Sandy Fuckin' Koufax. Besides, Kirk's ta-ta's
are a lot firmer than Billy Cowan's. But Spock has like all the angles and trajectories calclulated in his
Vulcan brain right down to the fraction of a fraction. Of a fraction. Of an inch. And figures that he should be pinch-hitting
instead of Kirk....."





LoL! I'm not caught up on Breaking Bad so this is a rare instance where I hope that's a spoiler.

HahnSolo
Sep 10 2013 12:44 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Would the Sadecki spot still be around today? I know they tore down Al Lang and put up a new one, wondered if maybe the neighboring fields were still there.

Zvon
Sep 10 2013 01:16 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?

I doubt I'd do any better.




OK, just this once, a Who Am I? featuring a player who never belonged to the Mets. You won't find this extremely well known pitcher on Dodger cardboard. You'd be lucky to even find a photograph of the guy in Dodger Blue. Unless you're The Man From Topps.



Father of the '64 fathers day perfecto, Jim Bunning, US Senator.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 01:20 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
You wanna extend the format of this quiz to players who were never Mets?

I doubt I'd do any better.




OK, just this once, a Who Am I? featuring a player who never belonged to the Mets. You won't find this extremely well known pitcher on Dodger cardboard. You'd be lucky to even find a photograph of the guy in Dodger Blue. Unless you're The Man From Topps.


Though he never belonged to the Mets, you might say that the Mets belonged to him.





Father of the '64 fathers day perfecto, Jim Bunning, US Senator.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 01:40 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Quiz Difficulty Rating: Eezie Peezy.

Only the Man From Topps has photos of this ex-Met in a Phillie uniform.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 01:41 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

On his Padres resume, there's one heckuvanoutstanding season. On his Met resume, there's nothing but the quiet desperation of a player on the fringes of major league baseball. Topps never bothered to put him on a card in a Met uniform. But The Man From Topps -- he loves those early San Diego duds and the candy colored stands that circle the inside of old Shea Stadium.


bump

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 01:42 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This one-time Met with the blazing fastball once held the major league record for most strikeouts by a relief pitcher. He never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Padres uniform, but as you can figure by now, in the end, The Man From Topps, with his personal jones for early Padres uniforms, got his Kodak moment.


bump

Zvon
Sep 10 2013 01:45 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Quiz Difficulty Rating: Eezie Peezy.

Only the Man From Topps has photos of this ex-Met in a Phillie uniform.

Pat Zachary.

Those Padres are stumpers. I wish all we had to know was the guys face.

Yes! I know his face. It belongs to him! WINNER!

Edgy MD
Sep 10 2013 01:54 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

The Biblical prophet Zachariah.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 05:30 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This one-time Met with the blazing fastball once held the major league record for most strikeouts by a relief pitcher. He never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Padres uniform, but as you can figure by now, in the end, The Man From Topps, with his personal jones for early Padres uniforms, got his Kodak moment.


bump


It's Dick Selma



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 10 2013 05:40 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)







Better view of the other side of the side fence at the Sadecki Spot in background to this photo. It rarely appears in photos because it's a paved parking lot.

Oh yeah. The player in the foreground. Who is he?

Zvon
Sep 10 2013 05:59 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Jesus (Ass-ooose) Alou

Zvon
Sep 10 2013 06:09 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)


This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

Damn I know his face.


The next clue is in this anagram:

A Citi Field Hookworm Intro


Hi (Randy) Bobb.








A Citi Field Hookworm Intro is an anagram for On A Rookie Card With Tim Foli

That's a clown anagram bro!
lol. I missed this answer. GJ on getting the Bobb G.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 12:00 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This Toppless Met might've gotten a Mets card if The Other Man From Topps didn't go all Kindergarten color by numbers with his box of crayolas over this photo. For one season, he was one of the league's best pitchers hurling for San Diego.

Zvon
Sep 11 2013 01:36 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This Toppless Met might've gotten a Mets card if The Other Man From Topps didn't go all Kindergarten color by numbers with his box of crayolas over this photo. For one season, he was one of the league's best pitchers hurling for San Diego.

Koolest hat comic style airbrush ever.
Off the top of my head without checking I wanna say Brent Strom. But I'm pretty sure I got the last name wrong.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 01:38 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This Toppless Met might've gotten a Mets card if The Other Man From Topps didn't go all Kindergarten color by numbers with his box of crayolas over this photo. For one season, he was one of the league's best pitchers hurling for San Diego.

Koolest hat comic style airbrush ever.
Off the top of my head without checking I wanna say Brent Strom. But I'm pretty sure I got the last name wrong.




Met Hunter
Sep 11 2013 09:50 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:






Better view of the other side of the side fence at the Sadecki Spot in background to this photo. It rarely appears in photos because it's a paved parking lot.

Oh yeah. The player in the foreground. Who is he?



Jesus Alou

Edgy MD
Sep 11 2013 09:54 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Coach Phil Cavaretta, the only Met to wear 50 before Sid Fernandez.

Met Hunter
Sep 11 2013 09:57 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

On his Padres resume, there's one heckuvanoutstanding season. On his Met resume, there's nothing but the quiet desperation of a player on the fringes of major league baseball. Topps never bothered to put him on a card in a Met uniform. But The Man From Topps -- he loves those early San Diego duds and the candy colored stands that circle the inside of old Shea Stadium.


bump


Dave Roberts

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 10:54 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This is what happens when The Man From Topps is nowhere to be found. The Man From Topps must've been two teams behind with this double X rated Met because the Met in question didn't come to Shea Stadium from Pittsburgh.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 11 2013 11:02 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

That's Bob Miller! Or, prodigal Bob Miller.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 11:05 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
That's Bob Miller! Or, prodigal Bob Miller.






See what I did with double X rated? Get it? Double ex? Double ex-met? lolololol

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 11:09 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Met Hunter wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

On his Padres resume, there's one heckuvanoutstanding season. On his Met resume, there's nothing but the quiet desperation of a player on the fringes of major league baseball. Topps never bothered to put him on a card in a Met uniform. But The Man From Topps -- he loves those early San Diego duds and the candy colored stands that circle the inside of old Shea Stadium.


bump


Dave Roberts


That's Dave Roberts, who throws left and signs left. He was Cy Young caliber in 1971 and an under the radar sleeper stealth draft pick if you ever played the 1971 Strat-O-Matic set. He had a crappy W-L record that year because the '71 Padres were one of the most offensively inept teams to come around in the last 50 years.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 11:34 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



His time with the Tribe was brief, and thus, Toppless. On his Met cards, (that's cards -- plural), he never wore the shirt he oughta have been wearing.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 11:45 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 11 2013 11:46 AM

Hatless on Crazy Hat Day



Another tough one, especially for the younger members of this forum, who might not have ever seen this ex Met hatless and in a Braves uniform.

[youtube]aDHnUPofJjU[/youtube]

themetfairy
Sep 11 2013 11:45 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Another tough one, especially for the younger members of this forum, who might not have ever seen this ex Met hatless and in a Braves uniform.

[youtube]aDHnUPofJjU[/youtube]


Felix Millan

Zvon
Sep 11 2013 01:49 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

On his Padres resume, there's one heckuvanoutstanding season. On his Met resume, there's nothing but the quiet desperation of a player on the fringes of major league baseball. Topps never bothered to put him on a card in a Met uniform. But The Man From Topps -- he loves those early San Diego duds and the candy colored stands that circle the inside of old Shea Stadium.


bump


Dave Roberts


That's Dave Roberts, who throws left and signs left. He was Cy Young caliber in 1971 and an under the radar sleeper stealth draft pick if you ever played the 1971 Strat-O-Matic set. He had a crappy W-L record that year because the '71 Padres were one of the most offensively inept teams to come around in the last 50 years.




Damn, I knew that face. I knew he was a D.R. !

themetfairy
Sep 11 2013 03:07 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Another tough one, especially for the younger members of this forum, who might not have ever seen this ex Met hatless and in a Braves uniform.

[youtube]aDHnUPofJjU[/youtube]


Felix Millan



Was I right?

Zvon
Sep 11 2013 06:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

themetfairy wrote:

Was I right?

Yes you are. GJ TMF :)

themetfairy
Sep 11 2013 09:05 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Thanks - I'd like to think that I set the speed record for this thread :)

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 09:12 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Toppless as a Met, this hurler threw his last major league pitch in a Met uniform. Above, the Man From Topps snapped him in the uniform of the new Washington Senators - a rare picture because the mystery pitcher was never Toppsed in a Senators uniform.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 09:16 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)




This player might own the record for most appearances in a Met yearbook without ever getting his own Topps Mets card.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 09:19 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



If you've got the time, The Man From Topps has more ex-Mets.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 10:11 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
Jesus (Ass-ooose) Alou


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 10:12 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Another tough one, especially for the younger members of this forum, who might not have ever seen this ex Met hatless and in a Braves uniform.

[youtube]aDHnUPofJjU[/youtube]


Felix Millan


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 10:15 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


His time with the Tribe was brief, and thus, Toppless. On his Met cards, (that's cards -- plural), he never wore the shirt he oughta have been wearing.


bump

Met Hunter
Sep 11 2013 10:21 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:



This player might own the record for most appearances in a Met yearbook without ever getting his own Topps Mets card.


Dave Schneck

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 10:31 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Met Hunter wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:



This player might own the record for most appearances in a Met yearbook without ever getting his own Topps Mets card.


Dave Schneck




batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 10:37 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



More scenery from the Sadecki spot, including a white house structure. If that's the structure I'm thinking of, it's been there since the Mets took over the joint, back in 1962. I remember the game when this Toppless fringe Met got his first major league hit. In front of the home crowd at Shea Stadium, he singled in his first ever at bat. It was either a grounder past the infielders or a line drive that first bounced in the deep part of the infield.

G-Fafif
Sep 12 2013 12:23 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


More scenery from the Sadecki spot, including a white house structure. If that's the structure I'm thinking of, it's been there since the Mets took over the joint, back in 1962. I remember the game when this Toppless fringe Met got his first major league hit. In front of the home crowd at Shea Stadium, he singled in his first ever at bat. It was either a grounder past the infielders or a line drive that first bounced in the deep part of the infield.


I believe that structure and its out-of-the-frame twin are known as the Lute Barn(e)s.

G-Fafif
Sep 12 2013 12:26 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Another tough one, especially for the younger members of this forum, who might not have ever seen this ex Met hatless and in a Braves uniform.


Twice in the last two season I've met historically well-informed younger Mets fans who persist in referring to Mee-yan as "Mil-lahn." (The veteran narrator of the audio version of my first book did the same.)

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 10:58 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


More scenery from the Sadecki spot, including a white house structure. If that's the structure I'm thinking of, it's been there since the Mets took over the joint, back in 1962. I remember the game when this Toppless fringe Met got his first major league hit. In front of the home crowd at Shea Stadium, he singled in his first ever at bat. It was either a grounder past the infielders or a line drive that first bounced in the deep part of the infield.


I believe that structure and its out-of-the-frame twin are known as the Lute Barn(e)s.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 10:59 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 12 2013 11:01 AM

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


His time with the Tribe was brief, and thus, Toppless. On his Met cards, (that's cards -- plural), he never wore the shirt he oughta have been wearing.


bump


It's Bob L. Miller, the '69 mid-season Indian.



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 11:00 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


If you've got the time, The Man From Topps has more ex-Mets.


If you've got the time, we've got the Bob. Miller Bob. It was Miller Time.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 11:10 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



In my mind, this fringy Met never escaped the Minors, even though he actually did play for the Mets. Above, he's standing at the Sadecki Spot years before it would be named for the versatile early '70's Met hurler.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 11:19 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



Who is this bearded Met with the impish grin and David Wright's future uniform #?

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 11:24 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Is that a real beard?
Dave Kingman.


As a collector of Met pics that is an amazin' pic of Shneck.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 11:31 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Zvon wrote:
Is that a real beard?
Dave Kingman.


Try and pull it off and you'll find out.






Zvon wrote:
As a collector of Met pics that is an amazin' pic of Shneck.


Which one are you talkin' about? The b&w with Staub and Milner or The Man From Topps shot?

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 11:37 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
Is that a real beard?
Dave Kingman.


Try and pull it off and you'll find out.






Zvon wrote:
As a collector of Met pics that is an amazin' pic of Shneck.


Which one are you talkin' about? The b&w with Staub and Milner or The Man From Topps shot?


Both actually, because I've never seen either before. But the quality of the Shneck stands out.

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 01:21 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

so is that what we are gonna call it? The Sadeki Spot? I like it, though I think of it as the Westrum Wing of the facility.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 01:35 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)



This The Man From Topps photo of this Met pitcher expands the view of the Sadecki spot, much like the hurler's personal assortment of baffling and screwy pitches expanded the strike zone for those unfortunate hitters who batted against him. Who is he?

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 01:37 PM
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This The Man From Topps photo of this Met pitcher expands the view of the Sadecki spot, much like the hurler's personal assortment of baffling and screwy pitches expanded the strike zone for those unfortunate hitters who batted against him. Who is he?

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 01:38 PM
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Zvon wrote:

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?


Which picture?

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 01:41 PM
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Zvon
Sep 12 2013 01:42 PM
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And that guys name is Lute? Not Luke?(yea, I'm takin notes)

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 01:48 PM
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]
Zvon wrote:

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?


It's hard to tell from the Lute Barnes photo. But the Mets had a white clubhouse there with what looked like aluminum siding. That clubhouse was there from when the Mets moved in in 1962. The clubhouse might be the white structure in the Barnes photo.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 01:50 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
]

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?


It's hard to tell from the Lute Barnes photo. But the Mets had a white clubhouse there with what looked like aluminum siding. That clubhouse was there from when the Mets moved in in 1962. The clubhouse might be the white structure in the Barnes photo.


The structure in the Barnes photo might also be a trailer, as you suggest. I see that it's raised. (perhaps on wheels?)

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 01:51 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
]

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?


It's hard to tell from the Lute Barnes photo. But the Mets had a white clubhouse there with what looked like aluminum siding. That clubhouse was there from when the Mets moved in in 1962. The clubhouse might be the white structure in the Barnes photo.


I noticed it was up off the ground, but I guess every structure down there is. I was curious if it was mobile, possibly screwing up the consistent nature of the Sadeki Spot.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 01:58 PM
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]

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?


It's hard to tell from the Lute Barnes photo. But the Mets had a white clubhouse there with what looked like aluminum siding. That clubhouse was there from when the Mets moved in in 1962. The clubhouse might be the white structure in the Barnes photo.


I noticed it was up off the ground, but I guess every structure down there is. I was curious if it was mobile, possibly screwing up the consistent nature of the Sadeki Spot.


Here's one partial view of the clubhouse. There are better views, especially from the Stengel years.

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 02:01 PM
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]

He's our Tug :) The white structure, is that a house trailer kinda thing?


It's hard to tell from the Lute Barnes photo. But the Mets had a white clubhouse there with what looked like aluminum siding. That clubhouse was there from when the Mets moved in in 1962. The clubhouse might be the white structure in the Barnes photo.


I noticed it was up off the ground, but I guess every structure down there is. I was curious if it was mobile, possibly screwing up the consistent nature of the Sadeki Spot.


Here's one partial view of the clubhouse. There are better views, especially from the Stengel years.

I found that pic quite recently while looking for old pics for the cards. I did wonder where the hell he was standing.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 02:36 PM
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This player appeared in a Topps baseball set in two different seasons: once as a Met and once as a Cub. But he only played in actual MLB games for one of the two teams.


The Mets and the Cubs are the only organizations this player ever belonged to.


"What the guy above me in the Cards
uniform just said. Except I've got the
repeating consecutive letters in my last name only".



bump

Damn I know his face.


The next clue is in this anagram:

A Citi Field Hookworm Intro


Hi (Randy) Bobb.








A Citi Field Hookworm Intro is an anagram for On A Rookie Card With Tim Foli

That's a clown anagram bro!
lol. I missed this answer. GJ on getting the Bobb G.


A Randy Bobb sighting! On the Mets 32 man roster!

Edgy MD
Sep 12 2013 02:42 PM
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I like those little outlines of the channels in the rounded-corner rectangles to look like tiny TV screens. I'm trying to remember the distinction between the black number on the white background vs. the white on black. Was one network and the other local? One VHF and the other UHF?

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 02:48 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


A Randy Bobb sighting! On the Mets 32 man roster!



I love seeing shit like that^

Something like that Edge. I have an old TV guide somewhere. Bought the one for the week I was born, on the in O.C. boardwalk for a few bucks.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 02:51 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I like those little outlines of the channels in the rounded-corner rectangles to look like tiny TV screens. I'm trying to remember the distinction between the black number on the white background vs. the white on black. Was one network and the other local? One VHF and the other UHF?


UHF was every channel above 13. I can't think of the word for it but the channels in the white background weren't available, at least in the NYC area. Or sometimes they'd come in with heavy snow, ghost imaged, and without sound. But usually, those were dead channels. VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 02:54 PM
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The "C" is for color. Wow!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 02:55 PM
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batmagadanleadoff
Sep 12 2013 03:00 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
I like those little outlines of the channels in the rounded-corner rectangles to look like tiny TV screens. I'm trying to remember the distinction between the black number on the white background vs. the white on black. Was one network and the other local? One VHF and the other UHF?


UHF was every channel above 13. I can't think of the word for it but the channels in the white background weren't available, at least in the NYC area. Or sometimes they'd come in with heavy snow, ghost imaged, and without sound. But usually, those were dead channels. VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.


Out of town channels. That's what the white background channels were.

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 03:10 PM
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That's the oldest channel 9 I could find out there.

SteveJRogers
Sep 12 2013 06:31 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I like those little outlines of the channels in the rounded-corner rectangles to look like tiny TV screens. I'm trying to remember the distinction between the black number on the white background vs. the white on black. Was one network and the other local? One VHF and the other UHF?


Personally I'm kinda shocked they really did that in newspaper TV listings!

I saw a bit on Cheers where it had to be done for the sake of the plot of the episode (during the 1994 strike the local station ran classic games, and one of the character notices that Sam Malone did come into the game as a relief pitcher) but never thought they really did run full rosters and such.

Zvon
Sep 12 2013 08:06 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


In my mind, this fringy Met never escaped the Minors, even though he actually did play for the Mets. Above, he's standing at the Sadecki Spot years before it would be named for the versatile early '70's Met hurler.


Just came across a '68 card of his. That's Larry Miller. I pictured him, from that photo, to have a full head of hair. He doesn't.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 13 2013 07:46 AM
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VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.


Oh man, and in the pre-remote control days, there was that dial that my sisters would spin through so quickly that it would eventually break and we'd need pliers to turn the knob!

I remember 2 was CBS, 4 was NBC, 7 was ABC, 9 was WOR, and 11 was WPIX, with 13 being public television -- which Billy Joel immortalized in "Pressure," one of his cool New York references. But what were channel 5's letters?

Edgy MD
Sep 13 2013 08:04 AM
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Yeah, but you could get signals on channels 3, 6, 8 and 10 but switching the VHF channel there, and squirrling around with the UHF channel.

God knows why we would do this, but we were kids. And anything that we would find would not only be snowy, but weird. German puppet shows with a cardboard set or something.

Bigger questions, though.

Name that batter for two points.
Name that catcher for five points.
Name that ump for ten points.

G-Fafif
Sep 13 2013 09:21 AM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.


Oh man, and in the pre-remote control days, there was that dial that my sisters would spin through so quickly that it would eventually break and we'd need pliers to turn the knob!

I remember 2 was CBS, 4 was NBC, 7 was ABC, 9 was WOR, and 11 was WPIX, with 13 being public television -- which Billy Joel immortalized in "Pressure," one of his cool New York references. But what were channel 5's letters?


WNEW.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 13 2013 09:32 AM
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Growing up in Connecticut I can tell that channel 3 was a CBS affiliate from Hartford and channel 8 was an ABC affiliate from New Haven. The Connecticut NBC affiliate was a UHF'er on channel 30. These came through fuzzy for us as we got better signals from New York City.

G-Fafif
Sep 13 2013 09:43 AM
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In the '70s, NBC shows would be listed in the Metro NY TV Guide as airing on Channels 4 and 20, 20 getting the clear-TV screen treatment. Try as I might, I never got 20 to come in on the South Shore of Long Island. Now and again you could pick up 3 or 8. I loved that the Mets were important enough to have a channel in Connecticut airing their games.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 13 2013 09:51 AM
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We could get 8 from New Haven, but even their non-network programming was similar to 7 so little need.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 13 2013 10:57 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
We could get 8 from New Haven, but even their non-network programming was similar to 7 so little need.


Yeah, they were the basically the same except for the local news.

Edgy MD
Sep 13 2013 11:37 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
YName that batter for two points.
Name that catcher for five points.
Name that ump for ten points.


Anybody? The batter would seemingly be Agee, his body looking perhaps a little more slender with his torso twisted in full torque. But I can't come up with an Agee-on-the-Mets-era catcher whose name ended in NDA and wore a number ending in zero.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 01:03 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.


Oh man, and in the pre-remote control days, there was that dial that my sisters would spin through so quickly that it would eventually break and we'd need pliers to turn the knob!

I remember 2 was CBS, 4 was NBC, 7 was ABC, 9 was WOR, and 11 was WPIX, with 13 being public television -- which Billy Joel immortalized in "Pressure," one of his cool New York references. But what were channel 5's letters?


WNEW.


Channel 5 was Creature Features and Horror Hotel, the scariest movie I ever saw as a seven or eight year old.

[youtube]_4Mb60KMOJc[/youtube]

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 01:12 PM
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This ex-Met was a Toppless Brewer. His lone Mets card had to be adjusted just before Topps went to press because his name was sort of misspelled.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 01:15 PM
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Toppless in Oakland. This ex-Mets' last paycheck as an active major leaguer was signed by Charles O' FInley. Probably grudgingly, like every other check he signed. I wonder if the ex-Met has an Oakland A's WS ring? Wouldn't be his first WS ring.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 01:20 PM
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The stands are confectionary colored ribbons that swirl around and around the playing field, creating the sensation that you're inside of a spinning cotton candy machine. And that's the only thing that's right with this picture.

Who is this ex-Met?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 01:22 PM
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What was so great about the early 1970's? Tom Seaver, All in the Family, Mad Magazine, The Rolling Stones and Shea Stadium. And the guy up above? Like most Met acquisitions of his era, he was better before he got here. You might say that he was in decline by the time he suited up in the orange and blue.

themetfairy
Sep 13 2013 01:28 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Toppless in Oakland. This ex-Mets' last paycheck as an active major leaguer was signed by Charles O' FInley. Probably grudgingly, like every other check he signed. I wonder if the ex-Met has an Oakland A's WS ring? Wouldn't be his first WS ring.


Is that Art Shamsky?

themetfairy
Sep 13 2013 01:28 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The stands are confectionary colored ribbons that swirl around and around the playing field, creating the sensation that you're inside of a spinning cotton candy machine. And that's the only thing that's right with this picture.

Who is this ex-Met?


The Franchise.

Duh

Zvon
Sep 13 2013 02:00 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


What was so great about the early 1970's? Tom Seaver, All in the Family, Mad Magazine, The Rolling Stones and Shea Stadium. And the guy up above? Like most Met acquisitions of his era, he was better before he got here. You might say that he was in decline by the time he suited up in the orange and blue.


I wanna say Gene Clines for that one.

Zvon
Sep 13 2013 02:05 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
VHF in the NYC area was six working channels 2, 4, 7, 5, 9, 11 and 13. And in the pre cable era, that was about as good as it got.


Oh man, and in the pre-remote control days, there was that dial that my sisters would spin through so quickly that it would eventually break and we'd need pliers to turn the knob!

I remember 2 was CBS, 4 was NBC, 7 was ABC, 9 was WOR, and 11 was WPIX, with 13 being public television -- which Billy Joel immortalized in "Pressure," one of his cool New York references. But what were channel 5's letters?


WNEW.


Channel 5 was Creature Features and Horror Hotel, the scariest movie I ever saw as a seven or eight year old.

[youtube]_4Mb60KMOJc[/youtube]


That's a surprisingly great quality copy of the theme. Christopher Lee is the only name I could read in the credits. That other one can't be Jill St. John, can it?

dgwphotography
Sep 13 2013 02:26 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The stands are confectionary colored ribbons that swirl around and around the playing field, creating the sensation that you're inside of a spinning cotton candy machine. And that's the only thing that's right with this picture.

Who is this ex-Met?


Why do I get the feeling he's eyeing M. Donald Grant in the stands?

Zvon
Sep 13 2013 05:53 PM
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Bob Botz's back.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 05:58 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Bob Botz's back.



Super! Duper!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 08:21 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
Bob Botz's back.



Super! Duper!


Remember how we weren't sure whether or not Botz is standing at the Sadecki spot? Well I think he is. If you look very closely, you could see the outline of that metal street light lamp post buried or camouflaged in the tree foliage over Botz's left shoulder.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 13 2013 08:24 PM
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Zvon
Sep 13 2013 11:55 PM
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Trees still don't line up. Bob Botz lies!

Met Hunter
Sep 14 2013 09:03 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met was a Toppless Brewer. His lone Mets card had to be adjusted just before Topps went to press because his name was sort of misspelled.


This is Tommie Reynolds.

Met Hunter
Sep 14 2013 09:07 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Toppless as a Met, this hurler threw his last major league pitch in a Met uniform. Above, the Man From Topps snapped him in the uniform of the new Washington Senators - a rare picture because the mystery pitcher was never Toppsed in a Senators uniform.


This looks like Tom Sturdivant.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 14 2013 11:49 AM
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Met Hunter wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met was a Toppless Brewer. His lone Mets card had to be adjusted just before Topps went to press because his name was sort of misspelled.


This is Tommie Reynolds.




Reynolds's first name was spelled "Tommy" instead of "Tommie" on his 1967 Topps proof. So Topps decided to airbrush the last two letters of his first name -- thus the unusual gap between his first and last name on the final version of the card.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 14 2013 11:52 AM
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Toppless as a Met, this hurler threw his last major league pitch in a Met uniform. Above, the Man From Topps snapped him in the uniform of the new Washington Senators - a rare picture because the mystery pitcher was never Toppsed in a Senators uniform.


This looks like Tom Sturdivant.


http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/sturdivant.html



batmagadanleadoff
Sep 15 2013 11:26 PM
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You could see the white clubhouse structure in this photo that ran alongside today's NYT piece on the Mets clipboard giveaway. Is that the Sadecki spot behind Maz?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 16 2013 11:22 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Toppless in Oakland. This ex-Mets' last paycheck as an active major leaguer was signed by Charles O' FInley. Probably grudgingly, like every other check he signed. I wonder if the ex-Met has an Oakland A's WS ring? Wouldn't be his first WS ring.


Is that Art Shamsky?


This might be the only color picture of Shamsky in an Oakland uniform on the web. And if it's not the only one, it might be the best one. He was with the A's for about two weeks. In 1972.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 16 2013 11:22 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The stands are confectionary colored ribbons that swirl around and around the playing field, creating the sensation that you're inside of a spinning cotton candy machine. And that's the only thing that's right with this picture.

Who is this ex-Met?


The Franchise.

Duh


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 16 2013 11:23 AM
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Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


What was so great about the early 1970's? Tom Seaver, All in the Family, Mad Magazine, The Rolling Stones and Shea Stadium. And the guy up above? Like most Met acquisitions of his era, he was better before he got here. You might say that he was in decline by the time he suited up in the orange and blue.


I wanna say Gene Clines for that one.


The declining Gene Clines.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 16 2013 11:26 AM
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Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


In my mind, this fringy Met never escaped the Minors, even though he actually did play for the Mets. Above, he's standing at the Sadecki Spot years before it would be named for the versatile early '70's Met hurler.


Just came across a '68 card of his. That's Larry Miller. I pictured him, from that photo, to have a full head of hair. He doesn't.





Miller's only two Topps cards below. His '69 card, like many others from that set, used a picture from the photo sessions for the '65 set. He's wearing a Dodger uniform on his Mets card. (the road uniform lacks piping). His best Topps photos are in the archives.

Zvon
Sep 16 2013 12:40 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
You could see the white clubhouse structure in this photo that ran alongside today's NYT piece on the Mets clipboard giveaway. Is that the Sadecki spot behind Maz?


It must have been Millers '65 card. I was making '65s last week and googling the set.

I do think Mazz can be considered a member of the SS club. SS behind and to his left. To his right, the clubhouse and some kids. Mazz with the bird bomb.

Show me a non Met who infiltrated that spot somehow. That be something.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 16 2013 12:50 PM
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Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
You could see the white clubhouse structure in this photo that ran alongside today's NYT piece on the Mets clipboard giveaway. Is that the Sadecki spot behind Maz?


It must have been Millers '65 card. I was making '65s last week and googling the set.

I do think Mazz can be considered a member of the SS club. SS behind and to his left. To his right, the clubhouse and some kids. Mazz with the bird bomb.

Show me a non Met who infiltrated that spot somehow. That be something.


Close, but not really.



St. Louis Cardinal Ken Boyer with Bob L. Miller, in his brand new Mets uniform (Feb. 25, 1962) Boyer wasn't exactly a visitor -- the Cards shared the facility with the Mets. And that's the clubhouse, not the Sadecki Spot.

Zvon
Sep 16 2013 01:08 PM
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If we shared the place for awhile there has got to be pics of Card players around the spot, I would think.

G-Fafif
Sep 16 2013 01:52 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 26 2013 09:43 AM

[youtube]leohcvmf8kM[/youtube]

If you see a made-up card
In the midst of this thread
That has a lefty veteran
Holdin' a pose

Sadecki's Spot
Yeah, yeah!

I'm headin' 'cross
Courtney Campbell's Causeway
Lookin' for the Ray
Sadecki Spot

I got me a list
It's as big as Sky King
And I'm headin' on down
To Sadecki's Spot

I'm shootin' for Topps
Minor league invitees
So hurry up and find me
Ray Sadecki

Sadecki's Spot
Is a little old place where
The Mets can all get pictured

Sadecki's Spot, baby!

Niss says, "Stay away from
That rag-armed Brent Strom who
Throws like a bum"

But I shoot each day
Every Met who I see
On that same patch of grass
Where I found Thirty-Three

Pitchers by the entrance
Pitchers near that fence
Pitchers fakin' wind-ups
Pitchers who look tense

Sadecki's Spot
Is perennial space
To craft some awesome cardboard

Sadecki's Spot, baby

Sadecki's Spot
That's where it's hot
Sadecki's Spot
Angle I've got

Primpin' and a-preenin'
Grinnin' and a-muggin'
John Glass will go cardless
'Cause he's showin' next to nothin'

The whole Spot shimmies
Yeah, the whole Spot shimmies
The whole Spot shimmies

When Rube Walker's walkin'
Around and around
And around and around

Rube Walker's movin'
Rube Walker's groovin'
Kooz linin' up
For mandatory stretchin'

Pignatano's movin'
Pignatano's groovin'
Another spring of this
And Kranepool keeps on kvetchin'

Hand me my Nikon
I just found Matlack
He's long-tossin' with Rich Folkers
They're somewhere out in back

Sadecki's Spot!
Sadecki's Spot!

Bang, bang, bang
On the door, Yogi

Knock a little louder, Berra!

Bang, bang, bang
On the door, Yogi

I can't hear you!

Bang, bang...
It ain't over!

Bang, bang...
'Til it's over!

Phil Roof?
Rusty

Sadecki's Spot!
Sadecki's Spot!

Meet me at
Sadecki's Spot

Zvon
Sep 16 2013 02:05 PM
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lol,thats classic.
But I shoot each day
Every Met who I see
On that same patch of grass
Where I found Thirty-Three

Best^

Pignatano's movin'
Pignatano's groovin'
Another spring of this
And Kranepool keeps on kvetchin'

G-Fafif
Sep 16 2013 02:16 PM
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Zvon wrote:
lol,thats classic.
But I shoot each day
Every Met who I see
On that same patch of grass
Where I found Thirty-Three

Best^

Pignatano's movin'
Pignatano's groovin'
Another spring of this
And Kranepool keeps on kvetchin'



Glad you liked that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 16 2013 02:40 PM
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lolololol

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 11:14 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:
[youtube]leohcvmf8kM[/youtube]

If you see a made-up card
In the midst of this thread
That has a lefty veteran
Holdin' a pose

Sadecki's Spot
Yeah, yeah!





The best way to read this post is with the music playing.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 11:16 AM
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This former and Toppless Met seems to pique Edgy's interest every coupl'a months.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 11:20 AM
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This former Met was a Tiger for a blink of an eye. So where did The Man From Topps find the time to shoot him in a Detroit uniform?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 11:24 AM
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"With these powerful eyeglasses, I can see that one day, I'll be a furshlugginer NY Met".

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 17 2013 11:54 AM
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What is a Sadecki Spot and can we discuss it in mixed company?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 12:05 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
What is a Sadecki Spot and can we discuss it in mixed company?


Start reading beginning on page four of this thread.

Zvon
Sep 17 2013 01:25 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This former Met was a Tiger for a blink of an eye. So where did The Man From Topps find the time to shoot him in a Detroit uniform?

Haven't you run Bob Miller out here before?

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
"With these powerful eyeglasses, I can see that one day, I'll be a furshlugginer NY Met".

That's big Frank Howard.

Mets – Willets Point
Sep 17 2013 01:28 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Mets – Willets Point wrote:
What is a Sadecki Spot and can we discuss it in mixed company?


Start reading beginning on page four of this thread.


I tried that first and still couldn't figure it out.

Zvon
Sep 17 2013 03:09 PM
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It's the thing coming out of Clendenons ass.

Met Hunter
Sep 17 2013 03:11 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This former and Toppless Met seems to pique Edgy's interest every coupl'a months.


Gary Kolb

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 17 2013 03:45 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
"With these powerful eyeglasses, I can see that one day, I'll be a furshlugginer NY Met".



I got to meet Big Frank when he made an appearance at a West Michigan Whitecaps game. The team has "Tiger Fridays" where they give out a bobblehead of a former Tiger and the player is there to sign autographs.

Howard looked kind of frail, and was missing a chunk of one of his ear lobes -- I'm guessing skin cancer, but don't know for sure -- and was possibly the nicest guy ever to everyone there. I asked him to sign my Mets history book, and he said the years in New York were the best of his life.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2013 08:21 PM
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I met Hondo too one time. He was touring liquor stores in the Mid-Atlantic states as a spokesman for Jim Beam. I was a cub newspaper reporter with a camera determined to get a story, he answered a few questions but made sure to thank the good folks at Jim Beam like he was a Nascar driver. He ruined every candid I tried to snap by turning and facing me with a huge shit-eating grin. Opined that the difference between the best and worst teams in the league was "2 or 3 players." He was really charming, gave me a signed Jim Beam baseball I kept on my desk for years.

Zvon
Sep 17 2013 08:31 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I met Hondo too one time. He was touring liquor stores in the Mid-Atlantic states as a spokesman for Jim Beam. I was a cub newspaper reporter with a camera determined to get a story, he answered a few questions but made sure to thank the good folks at Jim Beam like he was a Nascar driver. He ruined every candid I tried to snap by turning and facing me with a huge shit-eating grin. Opined that the difference between the best and worst teams in the league was "2 or 3 players." He was really charming, gave me a signed Jim Beam baseball I kept on my desk for years.

A Jim Beam baseball?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 17 2013 08:49 PM
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A baseball with a Jim Beam logo on it

dinosaur jesus
Sep 17 2013 08:52 PM
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A Jim Beam baseball: twelve ounces of Jim Beam, a dash of Campari, and a Frank Howard autographed baseball. Shake gently and serve over shaved ice.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 08:54 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I met Hondo too one time. He ... [o]pined that the difference between the best and worst teams in the league was "2 or 3 players."


In baseball especially, I always believed this to be true. And that's comparing the best to worst -- teams that might be separated by as many as 30-35 games in the final standings. I secretly believe (not so secret anymore, I guess) that the difference between two teams 10 or even 15 games apart in the standings is very negligible, with sheer random luck usually accounting for most of the gap.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 17 2013 09:13 PM
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You probably wouldn't be able to guess who this former Met is even if I gave you his name.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 18 2013 07:49 PM
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This throwback is captured by The Man From Topps throwing the ball back. To Ray Sadecki, most likely.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 18 2013 07:58 PM
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I'm gonna guess that Butterball, photographed above in 1962, was in fact standing at the Sadecki Spot, and that the Mets, since then, changed the back fence and built the mysterious cage structure that, from our photos, first appears in the Westrum shot minus the tarp.

I base this on the line in the grass --- it's jutting out from near the corner where the two back fences meet and angling toward the field. It's in every photo.

Zvon
Sep 18 2013 09:24 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:








I'm gonna guess that Butterball, photographed above in 1962, was in fact standing at the Sadecki Spot, and that the Mets, since then, changed the back fence and built the mysterious cage structure that, from our photos, first appears in the Westrum shot minus the tarp.

I base this on the line in the grass --- it's jutting out from near the corner where the two back fences meet and angling toward the field. It's in every photo.

I'll concede to the lead off man. So we have the evolution of the Spot. I move that Sadecki keeps title of the spot until some one else is pictured there twice. Then we will have to put it to the people for vote. Three times takes the title.

Whoa on that pic of a grey Grote! Thats a good close up. The #6 guy looks a little like Millan. But he never wore 6. hmm. So theres water on the one side, looks like it could be a cement area, parking lot maybe, on the other side. I'm gonna make a diorama of the spot.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2013 08:54 AM
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Considering that Ray was the answer to last night's trivia question and it seemingly stumped the entire booth until Gary came in at the end with a Sadecki guess that he had no faith in. All hail Sadecki. Something should be named after him. Everybody with more than 600 innings should have some eternal honor.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2013 10:04 AM
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"Like I can't do whatever Sadecki can do"!

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2013 10:06 AM
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John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2013 10:09 AM
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Not lefthanded, hotshot.

And Suzi Sadecki > Sarah Seaver.

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 11:29 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
"Like I can't do whatever Sadecki can do"!

I'll be damned! Well, Seaver has plenty of things named after him. The stadium, the road near the stadium, that area in the park, the,...wait! None of them have been named after him!

This is gonna put Tom over the Top. But he can only go on one of these cards. You make the call. Which looks kooler?

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 11:31 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:




John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.


The Glass Menagerie?
The Glass Cage?

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 01:49 PM
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This guy was a Met. Not a Met player. Played for the Braves for 10 years. Managed a Met minor league team. Was a coach on the big club for a few years.

HahnSolo
Sep 19 2013 01:57 PM
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That would be Bruce Benedict.

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 02:01 PM
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HahnSolo wrote:
That would be Bruce Benedict.


first case of clap I could find^

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 02:15 PM
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This one might not be fair because you can't really see his face. But he has been named in this thread so I'll throw it up. Played for the Mets. According to the caption to this photo, which I've learned in many instances can be wrong with these online photo places, this is that ex-Met player pitching batting practice for the Dodgers in 1973. Who is he? His name is in this thread somewhere.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 19 2013 02:42 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:




John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.


Glass and McGraw were photographed on the same day, probably no more than minutes apart. In both photos, the cage door is open at the precise same angle; there's the same rock/object on the ground at the same location near the cage door; and there's the same streak in the sky, maybe from an airplane.

Edgy MD
Sep 19 2013 02:54 PM
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I'm pretty sure the object is a glove. I'd say that the jetstream could be from a different plane on the same route. But there's also the same pair of figures over the shoulder. I'd guess that these guys posed pretty much consecutively.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Sep 19 2013 03:44 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
"Like I can't do whatever Sadecki can do"!


This card always had me wondering. Why is the background at an angle? If Tom was leaning, why straighten him out?

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 04:20 PM
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When I'm making the cards I usually end up searching for pics. Now I look to see if the spot is around. I usually run into one. Or two or three.

Zvon
Sep 19 2013 04:21 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:




John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.


Glass and McGraw were photographed on the same day, probably no more than minutes apart. In both photos, the cage door is open at the precise same angle; there's the same rock/object on the ground at the same location near the cage door; and there's the same streak in the sky, maybe from an airplane.

That is an incredible observation. Yep, same jet trail, people,...they must have lined up for the spot.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 10:41 AM
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The Hammer, the stands, the cage, The Sadecki Spot and the clubhouse, all in one shot.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 10:50 AM
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Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2013 03:47 PM



Tracy Stallard (1964) on the the Butterball Botz diamond before the cage was built. It's the same diamond that includes the Sadecki Spot. You can tell by the parking lot behind the fence. Therefore, the cage was built after the Spring of 1964 but no later than 1967, the last year when Westrum would have been in St. Petersburg with the Mets. The Mets replaced the back fence, too -- maybe because the old fence could not have provided proper support for the cage.

I'm gonna call that particular diamond Butterball Field.

themetfairy
Sep 20 2013 10:56 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The Hammer, the stands, the cage, The Sadecki Spot and the clubhouse, all in one shot.


John Milner.

I recognized him even without you giving away his nickname.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 02:43 PM
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Zvon wrote:
This one might not be fair because you can't really see his face. But he has been named in this thread so I'll throw it up. Played for the Mets. According to the caption to this photo, which I've learned in many instances can be wrong with these online photo places, this is that ex-Met player pitching batting practice for the Dodgers in 1973. Who is he? His name is in this thread somewhere.


That doesn't look like anything like Chris Cannizzaro but he was the only one-time Met on that team. Valentine was on the Angels in '73. I wonder if the Dodgers would've retired Gil's number had they remained in Brooklyn?

Met Hunter
Sep 20 2013 02:52 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
This one might not be fair because you can't really see his face. But he has been named in this thread so I'll throw it up. Played for the Mets. According to the caption to this photo, which I've learned in many instances can be wrong with these online photo places, this is that ex-Met player pitching batting practice for the Dodgers in 1973. Who is he? His name is in this thread somewhere.


That doesn't look like anything like Chris Cannizzaro but he was the only one-time Met on that team. Valentine was on the Angels in '73. I wonder if the Dodgers would've retired Gil's number had they remained in Brooklyn?


Tom Paciorek was on that team too. Doesn't look like him either.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 02:54 PM
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Met Hunter wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
This one might not be fair because you can't really see his face. But he has been named in this thread so I'll throw it up. Played for the Mets. According to the caption to this photo, which I've learned in many instances can be wrong with these online photo places, this is that ex-Met player pitching batting practice for the Dodgers in 1973. Who is he? His name is in this thread somewhere.


That doesn't look like anything like Chris Cannizzaro but he was the only one-time Met on that team. Valentine was on the Angels in '73. I wonder if the Dodgers would've retired Gil's number had they remained in Brooklyn?


Tom Paciorek was on that team too. Doesn't look like him either.


I forgot about Paciorek. Can you blame me?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 04:00 PM
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This 1966 Topps photo of Larry Milller is the earliest dated photo in this thread showing the cage at Butterball Field. There's also an undated photo of Wes Westrum near that cage. Westrum was with the Mets from 1964-1967.

I think that this is further proof that the cage wasn't there in 1962 and that the Mets eventually renovated that field. Otherwise, we would've found at least one picture of a Stengel era Met by that cage. There's an overabundance of Stengel era Spring Training Mets photos.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 04:12 PM
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Yogi by the stands. Some pole sticking out of the ground, just like in the Milner picture a few posts above this one.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2013 04:15 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Yogi by the stands. Some pole sticking out of the ground, just like in the Milner picture a few posts above this one.




Are the stands the same in both photos? What about the clubhouse in the background?

Zvon
Sep 20 2013 05:38 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The Hammer, the stands, the cage, The Sadecki Spot and the clubhouse, all in one shot.

Wow. And the stands. Excellent Milner pic.
The poles behind him. They look like they are part of a fence, but I can't see the fencing part. In any case, why would a fence be there? If Milner is off to the side of the Clendenon corner that fence pole is an accident waiting to happen.

Zvon
Sep 20 2013 05:45 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
This one might not be fair because you can't really see his face. But he has been named in this thread so I'll throw it up. Played for the Mets. According to the caption to this photo, which I've learned in many instances can be wrong with these online photo places, this is that ex-Met player pitching batting practice for the Dodgers in 1973. Who is he? His name is in this thread somewhere.


That doesn't look like anything like Chris Cannizzaro but he was the only one-time Met on that team. Valentine was on the Angels in '73. I wonder if the Dodgers would've retired Gil's number had they remained in Brooklyn?


Tom Paciorek was on that team too. Doesn't look like him either.


I forgot about Paciorek. Can you blame me?

The caption says it's Chris Cannizzarro. I figure the odds of it being correct, especially with the fact he played there then, is 75%. Some of these captions at the photo agencies are all fkd up and wrong more than I ever would have expected. They're are always trying to pass off 73 post season photos as '69 WS pics.

Zvon
Sep 20 2013 05:51 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Tracy Stallard (1964) on the the Butterball Botz diamond before the cage was built. It's the same diamond that includes the Sadecki Spot. You can tell by the parking lot behind the fence. Therefore, the cage was built after the Spring of 1964 but no later than 1967, the last year when Westrum would have been in St. Petersburg with the Mets. The Mets replaced the back fence, too -- maybe because the old fence could not have provided proper support for the cage.

I'm gonna call that particular diamond Butterball Field.

ha, I like this^.

Yep, and the water on the left.
If I know the Mets they just added the middle fence beam for more support, as opposed to buying a whole new fence. Come on. Its the Mets. Yep, probably when they added the cage of mysterious doings, because I'm still not sure what they do in there. Has to be hit I figure. Looks kinda tight for that though.

Zvon
Sep 21 2013 09:35 PM
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Not sure. Roger Craig possibly at Butterball Field.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:32 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


The Hammer, the stands, the cage, The Sadecki Spot and the clubhouse, all in one shot.


John Milner.

I recognized him even without you giving away his nickname.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:37 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 22 2013 01:42 AM

Zvon wrote:

Not sure. Roger Craig possibly at Butterball Field.


That's Craig. That's Butterball Field. And in my next coupla posts, I'm gonna prove that the 1962 version of Butterball Field underwent renovations, including a back and side fence change and a cage addition .... and that The Sadecki Spot is located on Butterball Field. The same Butterball Field that Roger Craig is photographed at, above.


This is so exciting. I can't wait.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:41 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 22 2013 01:45 AM

Here's Jim Hickman at Butterball Field (c. 1962). It's the original field,without the cage, and with the original taller back fence that doesn't have that horizontal middle beam/pipe/bar/whateveryoucallit dividing the back fence in half, more or less.



There's a water fountain that we're seeing for the first time, back and to the left of Hickman. Back and to the left. Back and to the left.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:45 AM
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Here's Dick Young ('64) sitting by the water fountain. A lot of the shrubbery that was once behind him is now gone. The area behind Young is now a paved parking lot.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:51 AM
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And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.


Who am I extra credit. This question is worth two 2 two clapping gifs. Who's giving Ron batting tips?

Bob Shaw, the cage and the water fountain. In this photo and the one above, you can even see the telephone wires extending from the telephone pole that's coming out of the top of Seaver's head in the The Man From Topps shot previously posted.


More from the Swoboda batting tips session. A better shot of the cage.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:52 AM
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I'm giving myself one of these clappers.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:53 AM
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The water fountain in badge man silhouette.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 02:06 AM
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This photo is supposedly from 1964. If so, it's the earliest dated photo of the cage.

Zvon
Sep 22 2013 11:40 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
This is so exciting. I can't wait.

lol, we are nutz. But this is exciting. After seeing the first pic I thought "how can he know thats a water fountain? Looks more like a bird bath." But the other pics show it is for a fact.

These are fantastic finds bats. I have no idea who the guy with Rocky is. Looking at TUMD for a possible name I'll take a crazy wild guess with Peter LaMotte, team trainer. No pic of him there.
That's Young with his typewriter? He's as crazy as us. Guess its not too strange though. These days he'd have his laptop. He was ahead of his time and obviously a serious writer.

I'm pretty sure I have a shot of Casey sitting on one a those benches.

The water fountain, the benches, the clubhouse, parking lot and water, fence and cage. That little corner of the world is getting bigger.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:01 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Here's Dick Young ('64) sitting by the water fountain. A lot of the shrubbery that was once behind him is now gone. The area behind Young is now a paved parking lot.



That's the Mets 1964 Media Guide on the ground next to Young.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 01:02 PM
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"I got naming right dibs on that water fountain. It first appeared in this thread in one of my photos".

Zvon
Sep 22 2013 01:38 PM
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You got it.
These are nice and big:

I think we've seen one a these.
Heres the pic of Casey on the bench.

Here he yells at his team to get there asses out onto Butterball Field.

This could be Casey in that corner of the world.




Could this be? The Skanks on the spot?


So go on, name the water fountain.

Zvon
Sep 22 2013 03:22 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Here's Dick Young ('64) sitting by the water fountain. A lot of the shrubbery that was once behind him is now gone. The area behind Young is now a paved parking lot.


This is outta left field and probably wrong, but I just saw something at FAFIF about the old Odd Couple movie. I don't know why he'd be down in Florida, but could that other guy be Walter Matthau?


Could this be Butterballs mound?



I could put Dallas Green anywhere in the wide wide world of sports and I choose to have him at the Sadecki Spot on his 67 card. That's significant.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 06:31 PM
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Here's a photo for your site. Oh, and Who is he, checking out the Mets new digs?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 06:32 PM
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Zvon wrote:





How come there aren't any other pictures of that water tower in this thread?

SteveJRogers
Sep 22 2013 07:42 PM
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Looks like one of the last Met related photos from that area.

Zvon
Sep 22 2013 09:13 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Here's a photo for your site. Oh, and Who is he, checking out the Mets new digs?

Thats Eddie Kranepool and when I first saw that photo I thought how kool that Kranepool would go out there and check out the scene. Thnx.
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:





How come there aren't any other pictures of that water tower in this thread?

No idea.



But if my theory is correct that is Clendenon Field behind him and that tower is always directly behind the photographers of the now much documented Sadecki Spot at Butterball field.

Zvon
Sep 22 2013 09:17 PM
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Oh, almost forgot this.

The Sadecki Spot at Butterball Field, 1967.
An unobstructed view.

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 02:25 PM
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Well, maybe a little obstructed. Casey was in the way. Lil bit.

I had a dream the other night and in it Casey came to me and asked why am I looking at so many pictures of him. I told him I was a fan and wanted to know more about him. He said "What do ya mean kid, I've been dead a hundred years." I said "No Casey, you will live on forever through pictures like these and through footage and articles and quotes. You are like the grandfather of the Mets." He said,"Really..."

"Lemme tell you something about those Mets. I loved em. They were my Amazin' Metsies. Amazin,amazin,amazin. I say that four times cause I managed them four years. Three and a half years, actually, and I never had a bench. Mr.Weiss had a bench, ya know, down in the spring camp. I wanted a bench and I told him and Weissy says " No, they will always think of you as a Yankee manager Casey. Not a Met manager. You don't want them to remember you for that. This team is going to be a losing team until we get up some steam. You just get them out of the starting gate. The fans will come out to see you, the great Yankee skipper Casey Stengel."

I waited for Casey to take a breath. He didn't.
"So I says I don't want anything to do with them bum Yankees. They put me out to pasture. Said I'm too old to be on the field! I'll show 'em. Gimme a bench." And George says "No. Years from now people will forget all about these lowly Met years. You'll be remembered for the Yankees. Your name will be on a Hall Of Fame plaque that says Yankee." and I says "George, thats all well and good, and I hope that comes to be, I'm proud of those years, but right now I'm here and I'm not too old to give these people what they want, and that is National League baseball! They don't want me. I'm a side show. So I'm gonna put on a great show and make this team mine. I still have some good years left.Gimme that bench over there." and Wiessy says "You don't need a bench Casey. You got an office." and I says " Mr. Wiess, without a bench I can't manage a team." And I was right. I had a team full of bench players and no bench."


Casey peruses the deed to his bench.

Edgy MD
Sep 25 2013 05:26 PM
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That's some amazin' dream transcription.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 05:56 PM
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seawolf17
Sep 25 2013 07:39 PM
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I want to take this thread out behind the middle school bleachers and get it pregnant. An all-time classic.

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 09:20 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Wow. I'm gonna give it ten minutes again on Google Map and see if I can find it.

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 09:28 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

I'll tell you one thing, from what I see at Wiki that field has had more history that almost every MLB stadium standing today.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 09:34 PM
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And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.


Who am I extra credit. This question is worth two 2 two clapping gifs. Who's giving Ron batting tips?



More from the Swoboda batting tips session. A better shot of the cage.



Hint: He was a Rookie of the Year and a four-time all star.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 09:38 PM
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Zvon wrote:


Could this be? The Skanks on the spot?



That could be Butterball Field. The back fence, though, is lower than the fence that was there when the Mets first moved in.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 09:40 PM
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This is Miller-Huggins Field, according to the accompanying text --- but where?

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 09:41 PM
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Kool and pretty damn amazin'! I found the field and I'm now on ground level walking and looking around the area. There is only one field there now. The clubhouse is there. Water tower is still there. The water and trees in their right positions. No cage and Butterball Field is the one that didn't make the cut :(

I'll take some screen shots and try to post them before I crash tonight.

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 09:43 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
This is Miller-Huggins Field, according to the accompanying text --- but where?


I'm an idiot. I was looking around the area by eye, and its hard cause you have to get down low to see if there are baseball fields. So tonight I went to google map and asked for directions from where I live to Stengel-Huggins Field. It took me right there.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 09:43 PM
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This could be Butterball Field.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 09:47 PM
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Seaver in a cage. But which cage? And where cage?

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 09:48 PM
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Those trees in rows are a good sign. I've seen them in many photos from the area and I wasn't sure in which direction they were running.

Gah, I can't walk out on the field. I don't think I can. I'll have to walk around the block. This is crazy kool that we have the technology to do this. Even tho according to the NY Worlds Fair we should have been be doing this shit by 1985.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 09:49 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Larry Bearnarth and Jay Hook eyeballing each other at the clubhouse.

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 09:59 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

I've been doing some research and I have to say:


I think the cage might be back there behind the Hick. Look below at the GreyGrote photo. That small fence is up a bit from where the cage starts.



So the cage very well could be there at that time. Inconclusive.


Now these photos look like they were taken a few minutes apart and in the

fake one you can see a worker putting the finishing touches on The Cage.

I move the cage be known forever more as L. Miller Cage.

*BANGS GAVEL

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 25 2013 10:00 PM
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I've looked at this Mets photo of Jay Hook and catchers Landrith, Cannizzaro and Ginsberg many times. I even posted it to this forum a few years ago in a pitchers/catchers countdown to Spring training thread. And now, thanks to this thread, with just a sliver of background detail -- the fence with the diagonal beam and the cement water fountain base, I know exactly where in the Mets sprawling Spring training complex this picture was taken.


Zvon
Sep 25 2013 10:12 PM
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Wow,kool. Whats the name of the freakin fountain already?

Zvon
Sep 25 2013 10:27 PM
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This might be the light pole beyond the fence at Butterball Field, known for the Sadecki Spot ,L.Millers Cage, and site of Stengels bench. I can only look in from the road and there are no others directly around the area. I can see the water tower beyond to the left, out of frame. I'll post more pics tomorrow.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 26 2013 07:56 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
I want to take this thread out behind the middle school bleachers and get it pregnant. An all-time classic.


Are you kidding me? All week long, I've The B-52's Love Shack song stuck in my head.

Vic Sage
Sep 26 2013 08:32 AM
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who am I?
I'm Jean Valjean... 24601!

Zvon
Sep 26 2013 08:21 PM
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Hey guys! Lets take a road trip! A google road trip! Come on, come with me! I'm gonna go find the Sadecki Spot!!

Oooo, I got lost a few times. I keep getting sidetracked. There's so much of the world I want to see,... through google map. So come on, lets go! I won't get lost anymore. Lets follow the line to the green bubble looking thing.

Well, here it is. And here I am. I don't see any baseball field. This is not the Sadecki Spot I don't think. Awww, am I lost again? OW! I stepped in a hump. That spots gotta be around here somewhere.

Hey, theres a baseball field over there! Lets go! Wow. Maybe this is the light pole that I believe is still un-named and I call dibbs on. This must have been the clubhouse. Neat! Casey!? Aw, its locked. Oh, there's the watertower! Lets go!

My plan was to climb the watertower. But before I could, I saw her.

She was a breath of blue through green and I knew that it was recognition at first sight. I had found her, my google girl.
My google girl.

I was here for now and she was stuck in time forever, my google girl.
My google girl.

I wanted to call out to her because she stood so near me
But the walls of time are thick, I knew she couldn't hear me.
Suddenly she walked away but left her hatch back open.
I knew she would return or at least that's what I was hopin.
But stuck in time now, that was we.
If I moved backwards, so did she.
She was a blur like Jackie O
When caught by lens (telephoto).
She wasn't nude but she was fine.
Google girl will you be mine?

My

google

girl

I want to run right up to her and not be so sublime.
But first I had to find a way to break the bonds of time.
To leave her frozen here for all eternity is cruel.
I'll break on through and join her, for love, I am a fool.


Okay guys! Looks like I'm getting sidetracked again. Gotta go. Hope you enjoyed your google road trip! I did. Oh yea, the Sadecki Spot....
here's the field today.


I'm working on recreating the field as it must have looked back in the late 70s, with the two fields facing each other.

Sorry about getting sidetracked again but you can't really see anything interesting from the street, which is all google gives you. And thats good, I guess, or else we'd have google photographers running through our back yards and shit.

Whenever I use google map and go ground level I always end up looking at the google people, caught in digital amber forever (or however long before they re-shoot). And I always end up finding my google girl.

She never really looks the same, but stuck in time, it's such a shame. My google girl.

(Thats not a song parody. That's my new hit single. I'll eventually get to writing the music to it. But feel free to parodize My Google Girl all you want. I'm not too attached to her.)

dinosaur jesus
Sep 26 2013 09:09 PM
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Google voyeurism. I love it.

Is that Joe Ginsberg or Jesse Orosco?

Zvon
Sep 26 2013 09:54 PM
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dinosaur jesus wrote:
Google voyeurism. I love it.

Is that Joe Ginsberg or Jesse Orosco?


It's not Jesse.

dinosaur jesus
Sep 26 2013 09:57 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Jesse would be like five years old in that picture, so I'm guessing it's not him. But he and Ginsberg would make a great separated-at-birth battery.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 26 2013 11:22 PM
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Zvon wrote:

Oh yea, the Sadecki Spot....
here's the field today.




That looks like Clendenon Field and the clubhouse. Butterball Field is now right field. The adjacent infields are now one big field. Looks like the stands are gone, too.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 26 2013 11:36 PM
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Here's the water tower in 1962. I've had this photo for a while and always assumed that the structure was some observation tower for the coaches to view the activity on the field from above.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 26 2013 11:45 PM
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Who am I? No hints. The Man From Topps shot this shot at Butterball Field in 1967, perhaps for the '68 set. It ended up on the cutting room floor.

Someone here could use this photo.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 27 2013 09:31 AM
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Who is this Toppless ex-Met who never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Cardinals uniform?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 27 2013 09:34 AM
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Ahh, look at all the lovely people photographed by The Man From Topps. Who is he?

HahnSolo
Sep 27 2013 09:42 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Ahh, look at all the lovely people photographed by The Man From Topps. Who is he?



the un-lovely Teddy Martinez?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 27 2013 09:44 AM
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A Toppless Met. Butterball Field. A The Man From Topps photo. He never broke into a Topps set - not with any of the four teams he played for. But maybe one day, he'll wind up in the Citi Field Topps Historical Mets Exhibit. Who is he?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 27 2013 09:44 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

HahnSolo wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Ahh, look at all the lovely people photographed by The Man From Topps. Who is he?



the un-lovely Teddy Martinez?


dgwphotography
Sep 27 2013 01:32 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Toppless ex-Met who never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Cardinals uniform?


There is something about the look of kodachrome that just can't be duplicated today...

Zvon
Sep 27 2013 01:40 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Here's the water tower in 1962. I've had this photo for a while and always assumed that the structure was some observation tower for the coaches to view the activity on the field from above.


A giant metal spiral stair coach tower. lol. If only the Mets had such an imagination. These pictures are great. Well, the Met ones. The others are okay. Looks like I'm gonna have to remake an early 60s Kranepool, though maybe that can be his '68 card. I'll have to do a sideburn check.

Zvon
Sep 27 2013 01:51 PM
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In the recreation of Butterball Field I have taken some liberties. I'm not sure, but after scoping it out I figure they had to move the light pole. The reconstructed picture will be reflecting this change. If you think I'm wrong, and I very well could be, speak your mind before I post the remake. I hope to get it up tonight during the game.
That last sentence didn't come out right.



Up top is The Tree Of Met Life And Good Fortune. The dotted line runs where the Sadecki Spot side of the field would fall into place with the lightpole in its current position. The other pic shows the switcheroo.

Met Hunter
Sep 28 2013 03:33 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Toppless ex-Met who never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Cardinals uniform?



Joe Grzenda.

Edgy MD
Sep 28 2013 07:54 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Ahh, look at all the lovely people photographed by The Man From Topps. Who is he?



the un-lovely Teddy Martinez?



Sorry about anything I said about Josh Satin's eyebrows.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 08:05 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Met Hunter wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Toppless ex-Met who never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Cardinals uniform?



Joe Grzenda.





Grzenda wore a Senators cap on his Cards card.



He was a Toppless Met, but appeared in a Mets uniform on his Twins card.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 08:45 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

Edgy MD wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Ahh, look at all the lovely people photographed by The Man From Topps. Who is he?



the un-lovely Teddy Martinez?



Sorry about anything I said about Josh Satin's eyebrows.


Encore!



Zvon
Sep 28 2013 05:43 PM
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I found some good old pics. All say that they are taken at Miller Huggins Field. I'm only interested in the ones that show similarities to when the Mets were there. Yanks moved in to play thier springs there in 1924. The water tower went up in 1925. Things like that water tower, the fountain, the cage, the lake, the tree, that kinda stuff is what I'm looking for. I have found some pre-60s stuff that don't have any of those markers, but are still worth posting.

I believe this shot is from 1938. Oldest I could find of the water tower. Which I named Warrens Tower. Not after Spahn.

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 06:00 PM
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This is a recreation of how the field looked round 66-74. I have found some pics that confirm certain things and show other things to be incorrect. But this is done. I might make an alternate to reflect the actual name of the fields, lake, tree (yea, that tree has a name) and other stuff.

I thought the fields would line up perfectly put they didn't. They just couldn't without changing the parking lot. I may even have the top field a little too close to the corner. But it makes sense, and if you follow the right field foul line of the bottom field, that could be that strip where the grass didn't grow on other pics, like Botz.

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 06:39 PM
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Now see, this is supposed to be The Babe and Lou Gehrig (pretty sure that's Huggins too) at Huggins Field. I don't doubt that it is, and its kool they played there, but there are no connections to the Mets days. It doesn't interest me.


Now these pictures...
I think one has been posted here already. These are interesting. In the jumping guy one I think that's the foul line from Huggins, and it goes into the corner where the other field was yet to exist. That parking lot is there to the right. It runs the same angle. Same with the one from 1958. The structure to the right? The clubhouse in those days? The one the Mets used isn't there yet. Looks like there were many more trees down there then.



And in the one with Whitey Ford, that area behind him should be where the fountain was. Maybe its there and we can't see it, or not there yet. Can't see the light pole. Maybe he's moving it there in that pic.


So am I to understand this is the last year there will be minor league baseball in St. Petersburg?

Edgy MD
Sep 28 2013 07:41 PM
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POW!

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 08:19 PM
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The Mets and Yankees never occupied the field together as far as I know. When each did they would take cabs from Huggins Field to where they were playing. Al Lang field was one place they played alot.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:03 PM
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Zvon wrote:


This is a recreation of how the field looked round 66-74. I have found some pics that confirm certain things and show other things to be incorrect. But this is done. I might make an alternate to reflect the actual name of the fields, lake, tree (yea, that tree has a name) and other stuff.

I thought the fields would line up perfectly put they didn't. They just couldn't without changing the parking lot. I may even have the top field a little too close to the corner. But it makes sense, and if you follow the right field foul line of the bottom field, that could be that strip where the grass didn't grow on other pics, like Botz.


This is really coming along. Excellent work! That orange outfield fence is new. I'll post pictures of that fence during the Mets era later on. I thought the Sadecki spot was a lot closer to the cage.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:05 PM
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Zimmer and Hickman at Butterball Field, 1962.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:08 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 28 2013 10:15 PM



In this pre-1962 image, there's a paved parking lot behind the pre-cage fence. I was under the impression from other photos, that that area was mostly foliage for the Mets first or first two seasons.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:14 PM
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Chris Cannizzaro on the mound at Butterball Field. The parking lot is there, even though the picture is pre-cage and old side fence without the middle beam/pipe.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:14 PM
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Rod Kanehl at Butterball Field, pre-cage.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:19 PM
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Zvon wrote:

So am I to understand this is the last year there will be minor league baseball in St. Petersburg?


The Rays left Miller-Huggins Field in 1999. That was an old pic of the Rays groundskeeper mowing the field.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/121299/Sout ... _wit.shtml

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 28 2013 10:19 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


A Toppless Met. Butterball Field. A The Man From Topps photo. He never broke into a Topps set - not with any of the four teams he played for. But maybe one day, he'll wind up in the Citi Field Topps Historical Mets Exhibit. Who is he?


bump

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 10:34 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:




Zimmer and Hickman at Butterball Field, 1962.


Whoa,wow.

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 10:40 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Rod Kanehl at Butterball Field, pre-cage.
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Chris Cannizzaro on the mound at Butterball Field. The parking lot is there, even though the picture is pre-cage and old side fence without the middle beam/pipe.

Awesome pictures.
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


A Toppless Met. Butterball Field. A The Man From Topps photo. He never broke into a Topps set - not with any of the four teams he played for. But maybe one day, he'll wind up in the Citi Field Topps Historical Mets Exhibit. Who is he?



bump

That's Tommy Moore.

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 10:51 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:


This is a recreation of how the field looked round 66-74. I have found some pics that confirm certain things and show other things to be incorrect. But this is done. I might make an alternate to reflect the actual name of the fields, lake, tree (yea, that tree has a name) and other stuff.

I thought the fields would line up perfectly put they didn't. They just couldn't without changing the parking lot. I may even have the top field a little too close to the corner. But it makes sense, and if you follow the right field foul line of the bottom field, that could be that strip where the grass didn't grow on other pics, like Botz.


This is really coming along. Excellent work! That orange outfield fence is new. I'll post pictures of that fence during the Mets era later on. I thought the Sadecki spot was a lot closer to the cage.


The orange fence thing is just the existing outfield fence mirrored to fit there. Wasn't sure what was there. Those rows of trees? A fence--I can tell now which pictures are that area in the background. I've got a much better idea what is over in that direction now. It should not be that fence and warning track.

This is another view of how it looked in 2008.

I'm looking for a picture of the place when both fields were there. They appear to be very rare.

Zvon
Sep 28 2013 11:02 PM
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This is the view Casey had from the bench.


This is 1967.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 01:34 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 29 2013 01:48 AM

Harrelson's 1977 Topps card i/f/o cage.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 01:37 AM
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Charley Neal. Butterball Field. The clubhouse. The water fountain. But no cage.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 01:38 AM
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Swoboda (his body blocking the clubhouse), the cage and the stands.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 01:50 AM
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Who am I? Tough.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 01:51 AM
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Zvon wrote:

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


A Toppless Met. Butterball Field. A The Man From Topps photo. He never broke into a Topps set - not with any of the four teams he played for. But maybe one day, he'll wind up in the Citi Field Topps Historical Mets Exhibit. Who is he?



bump



That's Tommy Moore.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 01:55 AM
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I think that Butterball Field was closer to the lake bank or edge. Do you?

Is that a road running alongside old BB Field? And does it go under the field?

themetfairy
Sep 29 2013 05:58 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who am I? Tough.


Bud Harrelson

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 09:23 AM
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themetfairy wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who am I? Tough.


Bud Harrelson




batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 10:22 AM
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This ex-Met is posing in a first baseman's stance on the third base bag at Butterfield Ball. Figures. At least his foot's touching the bag. Notice the back fences separating the field from the lake -- the same fences that would be there when the Mets took over Miller-Huggins Field.

Who is he?

dinosaur jesus
Sep 29 2013 10:24 AM
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This is really great. If you put your findings out in a pamphlet, I would seriously buy it. Though I guess picture rights would be a problem.

I'm curious what Buddy sounded like singing. He sure looks country. Does anyone know where to find recordings of? Or has anyone ever heard him? All I can find are videos of Woody Harrelson singing, which isn't that intriguing somehow.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 10:24 AM
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Is that a door in the fence in between Zimmer's legs?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 10:27 AM
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dinosaur jesus wrote:
This is really great. If you put your findings out in a pamphlet, I would seriously buy it. Though I guess picture rights would be a problem.

I'm curious what Buddy sounded like singing. He sure looks country. Does anyone know where to find recordings of? Or has anyone ever heard him? All I can find are videos of Woody Harrelson singing, which isn't that intriguing somehow.


Pamphlet? Pffft. Me and Zvon are gonna shop the movie rights. You know anyone who can play Joe Moock?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 10:32 AM
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dinosaur jesus wrote:


I'm curious what Buddy sounded like singing. He sure looks country. Does anyone know where to find recordings of? Or has anyone ever heard him? All I can find are videos of Woody Harrelson singing, which isn't that intriguing somehow.


Buddy must be country. 'Cause I heard that he does a mean cover of I Never Promised You a Rose Garden.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 11:06 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met is posing in a first baseman's stance on the third base bag at Butterfield Ball. Figures. At least his foot's touching the bag. Notice the back fences separating the field from the lake -- the same fences that would be there when the Mets took over Miller-Huggins Field.

Who is he?

At least he could do at least one thing right. Sign his name.

Marvelous Marvin Throneberry

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 11:19 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


I think that Butterball Field was closer to the lake bank or edge. Do you?

Is that a road running alongside old BB Field? And does it go under the field?

If it was, and I do think you are right, I'd have to swivel Butterball Field even more. Or else right field disappears into the lake. Which is certainly possible, though I thought unlikely.

Read a story where Babe Ruth was playing right and came in to the dugout in the middle of an inning. Huggins said "What are you doing?" and Ruth said, " I'm not going back out there. An alligator came out of that lake."

So it's certainly possible that a portion of right field ran right into the lake, before fences, and the field can be moved without having to swivel it.

More recent pictures also have me questioning the fields position between its third base line and the cage. Also, the cage's actual position, which may have been a little more back towards the home plate area along that fence.


This pic makes the cage look like it goes back further than I thought.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 12:58 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who am I? Tough.


Bud Harrelson






The last time I spoke to Bud he was managing the L.I. Ducks and I asked him if he still played guitar. He says, "Yea! You wanna jam?"

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 01:06 PM
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This, I think, is a view of Huggins field from under my water tower. 1920's, no specific year given.


You can see the lake out there. That's Crescent Lake. Before they lured the Yankees & Ruth there (and for a short time later, until renamed Miller Huggins Field) it was known as Crescent Lake Field.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 01:29 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Many pictures out there like this, that show the old lay of the land, in this case the Huggins Field outfield area, left to center.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 01:43 PM
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This is a neat lil news segment about the park.
Why do they call it that? Huggins-Stengel Field: Baseball history still standing in St. Pete with Yankees, Mets, and more
[url]http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=302730

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 03:33 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Is that a road running alongside old BB Field? And does it go under the field?

I forgot to address this. That's a cement path that runs outside the outfield. Placing the new field, which was a copy and (then flipped and manipulated) paste of Higgins, cut off the path and I just left it that way. If I was to update the big picture (btw, the original of the recreated field is a HUGE image) I would remove all that, including the current outfield wall. My main priority was to see how both fields looked in place.

I hope to find more pics with details and we are doing great in the finding part. The stuff you come up with, it's amazin' I haven't run across those photos in my searches. That's making this loads of fun, all these rare pics.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 05:49 PM
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Here's a shot of the black tarp-like background slash batter's eye at Miller-Huggins in a The Man From Topps shot.. I've seen that black thing in more photos than I can remember, but until this thread, could never quite place it. I just lumped it all somewhere into the vast undefined sprawling forbidden zone forest of a spring training complex that I understood Miller-Huggins to be. But based on the evolution of this thread, I now think that the black tarp is in right/right-center Butterball Field, or even along the first base line -- consistent with the Liefer photo you posted below, and that the Met (Who is he?) is standing in short left, Butterball Field.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 06:09 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Here's a shot of the black tarp-like background slash batter's eye at Miller-Huggins in a The Man From Topps shot.. I've seen that black thing in more photos than I can remember, but until this thread, could never quite place it. I just lumped it all somewhere into the vast undefined sprawling forbidden zone forest of a spring training complex that I understood Miller-Huggins to be. But based on the evolution of this thread, I now think that the black tarp is in right/right-center Butterball Field, or even along the first base line -- consistent with the Liefer photo you posted below, and that the Met (Who is he?) is standing in short left, Butterball Field.



Yea, some of these I thought were from a different field down there.

If you mean the Met in the recreation, who else would it be?

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 29 2013 06:14 PM
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Zvon wrote:

If you mean the Met in the recreation, who else would it be?


I meant, who is this guy?



The Mets doing push-ups in the Leifer shot below -- where do you think they're facing? I think they're facing home plate at Butterball Field.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 06:22 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F


I meant, who is this guy?

Oh, sorry. I want to say Harvey Haddox.


This is the recreation with actual names I have discovered. Calling the field close to the lake Stengel Field is my assumption.


No official name for the water tower. The mural painted on it is by a local artist named Tom Stovall.

From this link: [url]http://www.crescentlake.net/water-tower.html
The 1923 water tower is 100 feet high, holds 500,000 gallons of water, and is still in use. It is the only remaining historic water tower in the City of St. Petersburg and was recently repainted as a giant salt water aquarium by local muralist, Tom Stovall.
The streets in this historic neighborhood dead-end unexpectedly, change names in the middle of the block, and skip numbers.
But it's impossible to get lost. Just look up for the water tower.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 08:54 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

The internet is a wonderful thing. It's like having a gigantic library that takes weeks to search through on your lap. From Baseball Fever.com in a thread about all the fields Babe Ruth played on.
Stengel Huggins Field 1956 and 2008

Fuzzy but it has both fields :)

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 09:20 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I've been searching through google. I found this through bing. Googles always been good to me but bing is coming on strooong.

No caption or year with the picture.
So the field was swiveled around more. That's pretty nutty. This shows it all. That might even be the cage down there, I can't tell. There's definitely something there in that spot. I don't see the black batters eye thing in the outfield. It could be that last section. First base fence of Butterball Field has the middle bar. Still, hard to put an exact year on that. That is an amazin' picture. I'll make an image of this and the recreation with it side by side when I can. Man, I was close. Wasn't planning on updating the remake without more info, but should I? I was doing it because I couldn't find a picture. This ones awesome.

Zvon
Sep 29 2013 09:25 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Damn. Picasa has been shrinking my pictures on me. This is the same picture posted from my photobucket.

I wanted a record of how the field looked, and this is perfect. :)

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 09:25 AM
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In this Tug McGraw photo previously posted to this thread, you can see a rectangular white sign where the back chain link fence runs lower.

Below you can see the same white sign, but in relation to the black tarp. The black tarp is a batter's eye for Clendenon Field and is located somewhere in right or right/center field at Butterball Field.





Harvey Haddix, foreground. Batter's eye, background.






So who is this Met standing to the side of Clendenon Field?

Zvon
Sep 30 2013 01:11 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Leroy Stanton?


That does place the batters eye thing. Good work. The real blurry aerial pic has lots of foliage beyond the outfield fence. That's from 1956. All that has been cleared out. I'd bet that the year for the clearer pic is approximately 1965-67.

Edgy MD
Sep 30 2013 01:12 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

The right field line in the upper field looks like it's about 220 feet.

Zvon
Sep 30 2013 01:47 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
The right field line in the upper field looks like it's about 220 feet.

I wonder if that was by design or necessary. If the Mets had put the field there I'd think it was by design, but it was already there.


The Polo Grounds dimensions^.
The second field was there in 1956. I wonder when it was installed. The Giants did play at Stengel- Huggins. lil bit.


batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:12 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

You could see from the photo below that the parking lot at Butterball Field on the other side of the cage was there before the Mets moved in. But from some of the early Stengel era Mets photos of that area, the parking lot looks like a dense forest.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:15 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Here's another clubhouse. It was there in the '60's, during Al Jackson's stint. And it was there in the mid-70's, when Jack Heidemann was a Met. But where?




batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:27 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:







batmagadanleadoff wrote:




John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.


The conical structure in the Glass and Tug images -- does that structure appear at the extreme left side of the Jackson photo?

Edgy MD
Sep 30 2013 08:00 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

My impression is that the outfield wall goes with the bottom field. The top field is for infield practice only.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 30 2013 08:32 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

My impression is that Jack Heidemann brings a lot of wild sex to a pretend swing for the cameras.

Zvon
Sep 30 2013 08:51 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
My impression is that Jack Heidemann brings a lot of wild sex to a pretend swing for the cameras.

In spring training he always carted around his own wind machine just for this effect. Without the machine his hair was dull and lifeless.

Zvon
Sep 30 2013 08:58 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:







batmagadanleadoff wrote:




John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.


The conical structure in the Glass and Tug images -- does that structure appear at the extreme left side of the Jackson photo?

I imagine that's a totally different practice field. And yes, that thing sticking up looks to be the thing in the Jackson photo. It would be just like the Mets to have something like that sticking up for no apparent reason. Look for a list of all the places the Mets practice.

I like how we thoroughly investigated Butterball Field. And we can look into this one. But first, where is Sadecki now? And what's that batting cage behind him. And what's he been smokin'?

I bet that cage has some history. Hmmmm, I wonder....

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 11:21 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:







batmagadanleadoff wrote:




John Glass and Tug McGraw at some other cage near a tall conical structure.


The conical structure in the Glass and Tug images -- does that structure appear at the extreme left side of the Jackson photo?

I imagine that's a totally different practice field.


Okay. And until we figure out what and where it is, I'm calling it The Forbidden Zone.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 11:29 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:








I'm gonna guess that Butterball, photographed above in 1962, was in fact standing at the Sadecki Spot, and that the Mets, since then, changed the back fence and built the mysterious cage structure that, from our photos, first appears in the Westrum shot minus the tarp.

I base this on the line in the grass --- it's jutting out from near the corner where the two back fences meet and angling toward the field. It's in every photo.



I figured out what that line in the grass is, that's angling towards the Butterball infield. It's the 1st base/right field foul line at Clendenon Field.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 10:06 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Best view ever of the cage at Butterball Field -- before the cage was there.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 10:10 AM
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Who is this Spring Picnicking Met at The Forbidden Zone?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 10:15 AM
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The Stork, The Forbidden Zone, the tall conical structure and the clubhouse with the balcony.

Edgy MD
Oct 01 2013 10:17 AM
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I think I've put my finger on why Theodore didn't have a longer career.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 10:18 AM
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From Nixon to Carter to Reagan ... the one constant a fella could count on ... the clubhouse with the balcony at The Forbidden Zone.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 10:21 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I think Swannie could give Heidemann a run for his $$ in the category of best Met porn star mustache.

Edgy MD
Oct 01 2013 10:29 AM
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Porn or not, the dude knows how to rolf.

http://greenwichrolfing.com/craigswanon ... video.html

Zvon
Oct 01 2013 02:44 PM
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I base this on the line in the grass --- it's jutting out from near the corner where the two back fences meet and angling toward the field. It's in every photo.

I figured out what that line in the grass is, that's angling towards the Butterball infield. It's the 1st base/right field foul line at Clendenon Field.

From a few pages back:
I thought the fields would line up perfectly put they didn't. They just couldn't without changing the parking lot. I may even have the top field a little too close to the corner. But it makes sense, and if you follow the right field foul line of the bottom field, that could be that strip where the grass didn't grow on other pics, like Botz.

So I agree with you on that.

The list from Wiki says that from 1968 to 1987 the Mets practiced at Naimoli Field. Am I forbidden to say that could be the forbidden zone?

This pic:

Just wow. Full frontal!

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 08:50 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zimmer and the Rays at The Forbidden Zone with the clubhouse with the balcony -- since re-painted in Devil Rays green. Zimmer is the first person to be pictured in this thread at Butterfield Ball and at The Forbidden Zone.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 08:54 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 01 2013 08:57 PM



There's more work to do at Miller-Huggins, Zvonnie. We've got to figure out the Clendenon side, where the field backs up against the neighborhood instead of the lake.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 08:55 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Spring Picnicking Met at The Forbidden Zone?


bump

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 08:55 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.


Who am I extra credit. This question is worth two 2 two clapping gifs. Who's giving Ron batting tips?



More from the Swoboda batting tips session. A better shot of the cage.



Hint: He was a Rookie of the Year and a four-time all star.


bump

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 08:57 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This former Met spent a whole season pitching for Tony LaRussa's Cardinals, but amassed just 2 1/3 innings pitched for the Redbirds. He has no Card card. Most people taking this quiz would guess Jesse Orosco because of the uncanny resemblance the Cards pitcher bears to the iconic Met reliever.


bump

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 01 2013 09:08 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Jesse Orosco

SteveJRogers
Oct 01 2013 09:10 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Armando Reynoso?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 01 2013 09:11 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.


Who am I extra credit. This question is worth two 2 two clapping gifs. Who's giving Ron batting tips?



More from the Swoboda batting tips session. A better shot of the cage.



Hint: He was a Rookie of the Year and a four-time all star.


bump


Bill Virdon

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 09:22 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Jesse Orosco


Zvon
Oct 01 2013 09:23 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Spring Picnicking Met at The Forbidden Zone?


bump

Could that be Buzz Capra?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 09:25 PM
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Okay. Here's the ultimate trivia question. I'm gonna need the answer, and good proof. What uniform number did Butterball wear with the Mets during Spring Training, 1962?

Butterball!! I love this guy!


batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 09:25 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Spring Picnicking Met at The Forbidden Zone?


bump

Could that be Buzz Capra?



Edgy MD
Oct 01 2013 09:31 PM
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That shot was just too sexy for me to look at and think at the same time.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 09:35 PM
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Danny Frisella and wife Pam frolicking at The Forbidden Zone. This could go in the Vintage/Retro Wifey Watch Thread. Do we have one?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 09:37 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

"It's a godammn orgy over at that Forbidden Zone. No wonder it's forbidden".

Zvon
Oct 01 2013 09:38 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.


Who am I extra credit. This question is worth two 2 two clapping gifs. Who's giving Ron batting tips?



More from the Swoboda batting tips session. A better shot of the cage.



Hint: He was a Rookie of the Year and a four-time all star.


bump

In profile the guy kinda looks like Robin Ventura in a few years.

Bill Virdon

Gil McDougald?
I'm looking at a list of ROYs and I still can't get it.

Zvon
Oct 01 2013 09:41 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Spring Picnicking Met at The Forbidden Zone?


bump

Could that be Buzz Capra?




Really? The outfield glove made me think wild guess.

Edgy MD wrote:
That shot was just too sexy for me to look at and think at the same time.

I thought todays players were spoiled. He had a sexy food taster!!

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 01 2013 09:47 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Okay. Here's the ultimate trivia question. I'm gonna need the answer, and good proof. What uniform number did Butterball wear with the Mets during Spring Training, 1962?

Butterball!! I love this guy!





bump



Zvon
Oct 01 2013 09:53 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


There's more work to do at Miller-Huggins, Zvonnie. We've got to figure out the Clendenon side, where the field backs up against the neighborhood instead of the lake.

Doable. Start with the water tower and the street and work our way around.


I'm not sure about the Cardinal picture but I put it in my Sadecki Spot folder so I hope its Huggins.

Zvon
Oct 01 2013 10:03 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Okay. Here's the ultimate trivia question. I'm gonna need the answer, and good proof. What uniform number did Butterball wear with the Mets during Spring Training, 1962?

Butterball!! I love this guy!





bump






He wore 45 on the Braves. I'll go with that but I looked pretty hard (meh, 5 minutes, but that's a lot in internet time) and I can't find Metly proof. I have Brave proof. [url]http://mlblogsthesproutingnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bob-botz-braves.jpeg

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 09:57 AM
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Today's Met, Larry Stahl (foreground), Butterball Field (background).


batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 09:59 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Dennis Ribant and Jack Fisher at the clubhouse at Butterball Field. The Stengel bench is in view.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 02 2013 10:24 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Where's my double applause for Bill Virdon?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 10:47 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Where's my double applause for Bill Virdon?


Mets – Willets Point
Oct 02 2013 10:55 AM
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Who is this Spring Picnicking Met at The Forbidden Zone?


Do we really care who the man is in this photo?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 09:04 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Okay. Here's the ultimate trivia question. I'm gonna need the answer, and good proof. What uniform number did Butterball wear with the Mets during Spring Training, 1962?

Butterball!! I love this guy!





bump






He wore 45 on the Braves. I'll go with that but I looked pretty hard (meh, 5 minutes, but that's a lot in internet time) and I can't find Metly proof. I have Brave proof. [url]http://mlblogsthesproutingnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bob-botz-braves.jpeg



Butterball doesn't strike me as the sort of pitcher who, in 1962, could demand a specific uniform from his team. The reason I'm asking for strong evidence is because I myself don't know the answer. This is a very tough question. Botz's number might be in a Spring Training roster, if the Mets printed one. Botz's photo might've appeared in newspapers when the Mets won their first game ever. But even so, the Mets didn't have uniform numbers on the front of their jerseys in 1962, so a photo of Botz might not be of any help in solving this question.

Zvon
Oct 02 2013 09:23 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Butterball doesn't strike me as the sort of pitcher who, in 1962, could demand a specific uniform from his team. The reason I'm asking for strong evidence is because I myself don't know the answer. This is a very tough question. Botz's number might be in a Spring Training roster, if the Mets printed one. Botz's photo might've appeared in newspapers when the Mets won their first game ever. But even so, the Mets didn't have uniform numbers on the front of their jerseys in 1962, so a photo of Botz might not be of any help in solving this question.


Bob lives in Milwaukee. I'll call him up on the tele-phone. I'd feel really bad if he didn't remember though.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 09:27 PM
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Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Butterball doesn't strike me as the sort of pitcher who, in 1962, could demand a specific uniform from his team. The reason I'm asking for strong evidence is because I myself don't know the answer. This is a very tough question. Botz's number might be in a Spring Training roster, if the Mets printed one. Botz's photo might've appeared in newspapers when the Mets won their first game ever. But even so, the Mets didn't have uniform numbers on the front of their jerseys in 1962, so a photo of Botz might not be of any help in solving this question.


Bob lives in Milwaukee. I'll call him up on the tele-phone. I'd feel really bad if he didn't remember though.


You could also mail him some of those Butterball Mets cards you made, and ask him, by mail, if he remembers what his Met uni # was. He might ask you, in return, what the hell is the Sadecki Spot? And he definitely won't know about the cage, which wasn't installed until 1964.

Zvon
Oct 02 2013 10:26 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Butterball doesn't strike me as the sort of pitcher who, in 1962, could demand a specific uniform from his team. The reason I'm asking for strong evidence is because I myself don't know the answer. This is a very tough question. Botz's number might be in a Spring Training roster, if the Mets printed one. Botz's photo might've appeared in newspapers when the Mets won their first game ever. But even so, the Mets didn't have uniform numbers on the front of their jerseys in 1962, so a photo of Botz might not be of any help in solving this question.


Bob lives in Milwaukee. I'll call him up on the tele-phone. I'd feel really bad if he didn't remember though.


You could also mail him some of those Butterball Mets cards you made, and ask him, by mail, if he remembers what his Met uni # was. He might ask you, in return, what the hell is the Sadecki Spot? And he definitely won't know about the cage, which wasn't installed until 1964.


Ha. That would be a trip. I have no plans to make these cards in three dimensional form. But I did print out two on glossy paper, even taped the card back to one, and it looked pretty damn kool. That's BobWs thing. But I see what you're saying. Instead of asking for an autograph, ask his uni #. lol. I just might do that. just send him a glossy. He can just shoot me back an Email if possible. I do still accept regular mail.

As far as the Sadecki Spot I could always direct him to the page I plan on doing for it at the card site. At first I was going to write it up as a novelty, fun, joke kinda thing. But I think that might be shortchanging a very interesting subject. Now I'm not sure how I'm going to approach it for the blog post.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 10:48 PM
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Seaver and Ryan at Butterball Field. You can see the rectangular white sign in the Seaver photo.



batmagadanleadoff
Oct 02 2013 10:55 PM
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Jim Hickman and family. A rare view of the Butterball Field cage from the parking lot.

Zvon
Oct 04 2013 05:02 PM
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Now I'll be running into this clubhouse a lot, I imagine.

Somethings going on back there. Can't tell what.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 06 2013 12:29 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

The Met prospect with his back to the photographer at Butterball Field never made it to the big show. Who is he and where is he now? Playing his french horn? Golf? Something?

Zvon
Oct 06 2013 01:23 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Those shoes. Sid Finch.

Zvon
Oct 06 2013 08:20 PM
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Finally, a good color pic of Salty Parker in a Met uniform! And a Met manager card for him! And its at Butterball Field!
TRIPLE PLAY!

Edgy MD
Oct 07 2013 05:59 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

That's some tan on Salty.

Zvon
Oct 07 2013 01:35 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
That's some tan on Salty.


It's Boehneriffic! So too much orange?

Zvon
Oct 07 2013 03:32 PM
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This looks like a more proper skin tone. If Salty didn't have rosy cheeks, he does now.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 10 2013 09:07 AM
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Zvon wrote:
Those shoes. Sid Finch.



batmagadanleadoff
Oct 10 2013 09:10 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

And here's Ron Swoboda (1967) at the renovated Butterball Field, cage included. The water fountain ties the old and new versions of the field.


Who am I extra credit. This question is worth two 2 two clapping gifs. Who's giving Ron batting tips?



More from the Swoboda batting tips session. A better shot of the cage.



Hint: He was a Rookie of the Year and a four-time all star.


bump


His last name is practically a homonym for the last name of a player who is among the 10 greatest Mets ever.

G-Fafif
Oct 10 2013 09:39 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
His last name is practically a homonym for the last name of a player who is among the 10 greatest Mets ever.


Though "Jackie Robinson" is pretty darn close to "Kevin Roberson," I'm going to go with Roy Sievers.

Zvon
Oct 10 2013 11:02 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

So one thing I'm going to try to do is collect all these pics of players posing at the Sadecki Spot. Some part of that corner area of Butterball Field has to be in the pic to qualify.

Galen Cisco with the parking lot, and with Millers cage. I'm gonna say 1965 (don't know).

Good close up of the cage early on. Was it for mosquito attacks?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 11:13 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F



This ex-Met was a tort plaintiff in a baseball related lawsuit that was ultimately heard by the New York Court of Appeals, the State's highest court.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 11:16 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
So one thing I'm going to try to do is collect all these pics of players posing at the Sadecki Spot. Some part of that corner area of Butterball Field has to be in the pic to qualify.

Galen Cisco with the parking lot, and with Millers cage. I'm gonna say 1965 (don't know).

Good close up of the cage early on. Was it for mosquito attacks?


The Cisco's are from 1966. Who is the Met below photographed by The Man From Topps on the same day that the Cisco pics were taken?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 11:17 AM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
His last name is practically a homonym for the last name of a player who is among the 10 greatest Mets ever.


Though "Jackie Robinson" is pretty darn close to "Kevin Roberson," I'm going to go with Roy Sievers.


batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 11:23 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F





A visual career retrospective, courtesy of The Man From Topps, of a pitcher who grew a mustache, learned to throw lefthanded*, and ended up at Butterball Field, older, but not a single pound heavier. Who is he?


* Not really. The Met image is reversed.

dinosaur jesus
Oct 12 2013 11:44 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met was a tort plaintiff in a baseball related lawsuit that was ultimately heard by the New York Court of Appeals, the State's highest court.


Elliott Maddox. I want a red belt like that.

My favorite Met memory of Elliott Maddox (actually, it's my only memory) is of him executing a perfect hit and run, hitting the ball through the right side when the second baseman left to cover the base. The next time up, the shortstop covered, and he hit it through the right side. That's great hitting, I thought. This Elliott Maddox is a great hitter.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 12:17 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

dinosaur jesus wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met was a tort plaintiff in a baseball related lawsuit that was ultimately heard by the New York Court of Appeals, the State's highest court.


Elliott Maddox. I want a red belt like that.

My favorite Met memory of Elliott Maddox (actually, it's my only memory) is of him executing a perfect hit and run, hitting the ball through the right side when the second baseman left to cover the base. The next time up, the shortstop covered, and he hit it through the right side. That's great hitting, I thought. This Elliott Maddox is a great hitter.


He might've been. Blame it on the MFY's. Or on the Mets.



MADDOX v. CITY OF NEW YORK
66 N.Y.2d 270 (1985)
Elliot Maddox et al., Appellants,
v.
City of New York et al., Defendants-Respondents and Third-Party Plaintiffs-Respondents. D. Reiner, Inc., Third-Party Defendant-Respondent; New York Yankees, Third-Party Defendant-Respondent and Fourth-Party Plaintiff-Respondent; The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, Fourth-Party Defendant-Respondent. (Action No. 1.)
Elliot Maddox, Appellant,
v.
Thomas Crimmins Contracting Company et al., Respondents. (Action No. 2.)
Court of Appeals of the State of New York.
Argued October 17, 1985.
Decided November 21, 1985.
Emilio Nunez, Stephen C. Glasser, Harry H. Lipsig and Pamela Anagnos Liapakis for appellants in both actions.
Frederick A. O. Schwarz, Jr., Corporation Counsel (June A. Witterschein and Leonard Koerner of counsel), for City of New York, defendant-respondent and third-party plaintiff-respondent in action No. 1.
Marshall D. Sweetbaum for Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc., defendant-respondent and third-party plaintiff-respondent in action No. 1.
David T. Fowler, Philip Schlau and Abraham S. Altheim for D. Reiner, Inc., third-party defendant-respondent in action No. 1.
Robert F. Saunderson for New York Yankees, third-party defendant-respondent and fourth-party plaintiff-respondent in action No. 1.
William R. Ahmuty, III, for The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, fourth-party defendant-respondent in action No. 1.
Joanne Redden and John J. Wrenn for Thomas Crimmins Contracting Company, respondent in action No. 2.
James L. Fischer, Thomas W. Hyland and Thomas A. Leghorn for U.R.S. Madigan-Praeger, Inc., respondent in action No. 2.
Chief Judge WACHTLER and Judges JASEN, SIMONS, KAYE and ALEXANDER concur; Judge TITONE taking no part.

MEYER, J.

The deposition testimony of plaintiff, a professional baseball player, that he was aware of the wet and muddy condition of the playing field on the night he was injured and of the particular puddle in which he fell, that he had during the game called the attention of the grounds keepers to the fact that there was puddling on the field and had previously commented a couple of times to the baseball club manager when the field was wet, established his awareness of the defect which caused his injury and of the risk involved. His continued participation in the game in light of that awareness constituted assumption of risk as a matter of law, entitling defendants to summary judgment. There should, therefore, be an affirmance, with costs, of the Appellate Division order.
I

Plaintiff, a member of the New York Yankees team, was injured on June 13, 1975, when he slipped and fell during the ninth inning of a night game with the Chicago White Sox. The game was played at Shea Stadium because Yankee Stadium was then being renovated. Plaintiff testified that he was playing centerfield and was fielding a fly ball hit to right centerfield, that he was running to his left and as he sought to stop running his left foot hit a wet spot and slid, but his right foot stuck in a mud puddle, as a result of which his right knee buckled. The knee injury required three separate surgical procedures and ultimately forced him to retire prematurely from professional baseball.

Plaintiff and his wife (hereafter collectively referred to as plaintiff) sued the city, as owner of Shea Stadium, and the Metropolitan Baseball Club, Inc., as lessee. In a separate action plaintiff sued the general contractor who built Shea Stadium and the architect and the consulting engineer. Both actions charge that the drainage system was negligently designed, constructed or maintained. Claims over by various defendants were made against the maintenance company for Shea Stadium, the New York Yankees and The American League of Professional Baseball Clubs, as employer of the umpires.

After consolidation of the actions and after depositions had been taken, four of the defendants and cross claim defendants moved for summary judgment dismissing the complaints on the ground that plaintiff had assumed the risk. Special Term denied the motions, holding that it could be inferred that plaintiff in continuing to play was acting under his superior's instructions and that, therefore, there was an issue of fact to be tried. On appeal to the Appellate Division, that court reversed and dismissed both complaints and all claims over. Noting that plaintiff had admitted that the previous night's game had been canceled because of the weather and poor field conditions, that he had during the game in question observed the centerfield to be "awfully wet" with "some mud" and standing water above the grass line, had reported that condition to a ground crew member, and had presented no evidence of an order from a superior after making the condition known, it held that there remained no triable issue of fact as to plaintiff's assumption of the risk.1

Before us, plaintiff argues that he assumed the risks of the game, not of the playing field, which was in an unreasonably dangerous condition, that the risk had in any event been enhanced, that he had no choice but to continue to play, and that the evidence did not establish his subjective awareness that his foot could get stuck in the mud. For the reasons that follow we disagree with that analysis and, therefore, affirm.
II

In Arbegast v Board of Educ. (65 N.Y.2d 161), we noted the common law's distinction between express and implied assumption of risk and held that, notwithstanding the adoption in 1975 of CPLR 1411, the plaintiff in that case having admitted "that she had been informed both of the risk of injury and that `the participants were at their own risk'" (id., at p 164), her participation in the games there involved constituted an express agreement on her part to assume the risk, entitling defendant to the direction of a verdict (id., at p 162).2 In the instant case we deal not with express assumption of risk, but with assumption of risk to be implied from plaintiff's continued participation in the game with the knowledge and appreciation of the risk which his deposition testimony spelled out and which established his implied assumption as a matter of law.

Plaintiff suggests that our adoption in Basso v Miller (40 N.Y.2d 233) of the single standard of reasonable care somehow transmogrified assumption of the risk into a defense that cannot be asserted until defendants (who, as movants for summary judgment, bear the burden of establishing prima facie their right to judgment) have established their own exercise of reasonable care. The suggestion finds no support in either footnote 2 to the Arbegast decision (at p 166) or in Scaduto v State of New York (56 N.Y.2d 762, affg 86 A.D.2d 682), to both of which plaintiff refers. The Arbegast footnote cited Basso simply as an illustration of the confusion of assumption of risk with absence of duty in the pre-1975 cases, but made no change in the rule that a defendant seeking summary judgment by way of a complete defense in confession and avoidance, such as assumption of the risk or Statute of Limitations, bears no greater burden than the establishment of the defense. And the Appellate Division's holding in Scaduto, notwithstanding the two sentences in its memorandum concerning assumption, was that the "State did not breach any duty of care to claimant" (86 AD2d, at p 683), which the records of this court show was the basis for our affirmance, without reaching the assumption issue.

No more helpful to plaintiff is our abandonment in Micallef v Miehle Co. (39 N.Y.2d 376, 382-385) of the patent danger doctrine declared in Campo v Scofield (301 N.Y. 468). In the first place, Campo denied recovery "if the dangerous character of the product can be readily seen, irrespective of whether the injured user or consumer actually perceived the danger" (39 NY2d, at p 384). More importantly, Micallef was based on the greater expertise and superior position of a manufacturer to recognize and cure defects over the user of his product injured by its defect, a consideration which, as the Appellate Division pointed out (108 AD2d, at p 45), can hardly be said to be present in relation to a professional athlete, who is both more highly trained and in a better bargaining position than persons injured by consumer products (see also, Turcotte v Fell, 123 Misc.2d 877). Notwithstanding that this is a pre-1975 case in which we would be at liberty to modify the common-law rules of assumption of the risk, just as Campo's "open and obvious" rule was modified, we decline to take that step, perceiving no reasonable basis for doing so.

Nor does the case law sustain plaintiff's efforts to avert dismissal of his action on the basis of assumption of the risk law. The risks of a game which must be played upon a field include the risks involved in the construction of the field, as has been held many times before. That the assumption doctrine "applies to any facet of the activity inherent in it and to any open and obvious condition of the place where it is carried on" (Diderou v Pinecrest Dunes, 34 A.D.2d 672, 673) is borne out not only by that case but also by Hoffman v Silbert (19 N.Y.2d 661, affg 24 A.D.2d 493 [window in close proximity to ping-pong table]); Luftig v Steinhorn (16 N.Y.2d 568, affg 21 A.D.2d 760 [hole in a baseball field]); and Lobsenz v Rubinstein (283 N.Y. 600, affg 258 App Div 164 [hole or depression in a tennis court]), cited in Diderou, as well as by Scaduto v State of New York (supra); and Schmerz v Salon (19 N.Y.2d 846, affg 26 A.D.2d 691), involving, respectively, a drainage ditch near the third base line and a hole in the base path, in both of which assumption of risk was considered although the case was decided on another basis.

There is no question that the doctrine requires not only knowledge of the injury-causing defect but also appreciation of the resultant risk (McEvoy v City of New York, 292 N.Y. 654, affg 266 App Div 445; Larson v Nassau Elec. R. R. Co., 223 N.Y. 14), but awareness of risk is not to be determined in a vacuum. It is, rather, to be assessed against the background of the skill and experience of the particular plaintiff (Dillard v Little League Baseball, 55 A.D.2d 477, 480), and in that assessment a higher degree of awareness will be imputed to a professional than to one with less than professional experience in the particular sport (see, Heldman v Uniroyal, Inc., 53 Ohio App.2d 21, 36, 371 N.E.2d 557, 567; Turcotte v Fell, supra). In that context plaintiff's effort to separate the wetness of the field, which he testified was above the grass line, from the mud beneath it in which his foot became lodged must be rejected for not only was he aware that there was "some mud" in the centerfield area, but also it is a matter of common experience that water of sufficient depth to cover grass may result in the earth beneath being turned to mud (Benjamin v Deffet Rentals, 66 Ohio St.2d 86, 91, 419 N.E.2d 883, 887, holding denial of summary judgment improper because "t is common knowledge, however, that such a [plastic diving board] surface can be slippery, especially when it becomes wet"; Restatement [Second] of Torts § 496D comment d; Prosser and Keeton, Torts § 68, at 488 [5th ed]). We do not deal here, as we did in Schmerz v Salon (supra), with a hole in the playing field hidden by grass, but with water, indicative of the presence of mud, the danger of which plaintiff was sufficiently aware to complain to the grounds keepers. It is not necessary to the application of assumption of risk that the injured plaintiff have foreseen the exact manner in which his or her injury occurred, so long as he or she is aware of the potential for injury of the mechanism from which the injury results. Nor do the enhancement cases to which plaintiff refers in arguing that the risk of water on the field was enhanced by the failure to install proper drainage facilities (Stevens v Central School Dist. No. 1, 21 N.Y.2d 780, affg 25 A.D.2d 871; Cole v New York Racing Assn., 17 N.Y.2d 761, affg 24 A.D.2d 993; Jackson v Livingston Country Club, 55 A.D.2d 1045; Arnold v Schmeiser, 34 A.D.2d 568; see, Hornstein v State of New York, 30 A.D.2d 1012) avail plaintiff, for in each of those cases the enhanced risk that resulted was unknown to the particular plaintiff, whereas here the resulting risk (mud) was evident to plaintiff as is shown by his observation of mud and water and his complaints to the grounds keepers concerning the presence of water to the grass line.

Finally, although the assumption of risk to be implied from participation in a sport with awareness of the risk is generally a question of fact for a jury (Stevens v Central School Dist. No. 1, supra; Jackson v Livingston Country Club, supra), dismissal of a complaint as a matter of law is warranted when on the evidentiary materials before the court no fact issue remains for decision by the trier of fact (Hoffman v Silbert, 19 N.Y.2d 661, supra; Luftig v Steinhorn, 16 N.Y.2d 568, supra; Lobsenz v Rubinstein, 283 N.Y. 600, supra; Dillard v Little League Baseball, 55 A.D.2d 477, supra; Maltz v Board of Educ., 282 App Div 888, affg 32 Misc.2d 492; Benjamin v Deffet Rentals, supra). We are satisfied that this is such a case for, on the basis of those parts of plaintiff's deposition above set forth, the defense of assumption of risk was clearly established, and plaintiff has not, as it was his burden to do (Zuckerman v City of New York, 49 N.Y.2d 557, 562) brought himself within the rule of cases such as Broderick v Cauldwell-Wingate Co. (301 N.Y. 182) by presenting evidence in admissible form that he had no choice in the matter but to obey a superior's direction to continue notwithstanding the danger. Indeed, nothing in plaintiff's affidavit or in so much of his deposition as is contained in the record suggests that he acted under such an order or compulsion, nor can we agree, notwithstanding the dictum in Porter v Avlis Contr. Corp. (57 A.D.2d 222, 225)3 or the irascibility of some baseball owners or managers, that we should infer that such an order had been given or that plaintiff acted under the compulsion of an unspoken order.

Accordingly, the order of the Appellate Division should be affirmed, with costs.

Order affirmed, with costs.
FootNotes

1. It also held in response to plaintiff's argument that assumption of the risk is unavailable to an employer who violates the statutory duty imposed by Labor Law § 200 to provide a safe place to work, that plaintiff was not within the class of persons protected by that section. Before us plaintiff has abandoned that argument and we, therefore, do not consider it.
2. The risk of which she was informed prior to participation were contained in "the instructions given by Buckeye's employee to the participants [and] included the statements that the donkeys do buck and put their heads down causing people to fall off" (65 NY2d, at p 163).
3. Though the opinion does not so state, Porter's inference suggestion may perhaps be explained on the basis that it was an action for wrongful death to which the rule of Noseworthy v City of New York (298 N.Y. 76) applied.

Zvon
Oct 12 2013 01:31 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
The Cisco's are from 1966. Who is the Met below photographed by The Man From Topps on the same day that the Cisco pics were taken?



Uh-oh. I've created another time paradox. Wait til you see one of my new Agee cards. I have him batting in the 73 World Series. I should have made the site CARDS FROM AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE! That sounds kinda neat and scary too.


Thats Rob(ert) Gardner^

Zvon
Oct 12 2013 01:48 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

dinosaur jesus wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met was a tort plaintiff in a baseball related lawsuit that was ultimately heard by the New York Court of Appeals, the State's highest court.


Elliott Maddox. I want a red belt like that.

My favorite Met memory of Elliott Maddox (actually, it's my only memory) is of him executing a perfect hit and run, hitting the ball through the right side when the second baseman left to cover the base. The next time up, the shortstop covered, and he hit it through the right side. That's great hitting, I thought. This Elliott Maddox is a great hitter.


My memory is of him going after a sure homer while playing right at Shea. He cruised back and jumped up on the wall, standing on the middle wood frame of the plexiglass bullpen fence, and reaching up to....
He never had a chance for the ball. The ball sailed over his head and maybe even the bullpen. I just remember thinking how I like that he gave it that extra dramatic flair.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 02:07 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
The Cisco's are from 1966. Who is the Met below photographed by The Man From Topps on the same day that the Cisco pics were taken?



Uh-oh. I've created another time paradox. Wait til you see one of my new Agee cards. I have him batting in the 73 World Series. I should have made the site CARDS FROM AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE! That sounds kinda neat and scary too.


Thats Rob(ert) Gardner^


Agee on the '73 Mets. Could you do something about Ryan and Otis, too?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 02:08 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:




A visual career retrospective, courtesy of The Man From Topps, of a pitcher who grew a mustache, learned to throw lefthanded*, and ended up at Butterball Field, older, but not a single pound heavier. Who is he?


* Not really. The Met image is reversed.


Met image fixed.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 02:12 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F







You may not know the Met at the top of this post. But that shouldn't stop you from voting for the best Mets porn 'stache.

G-Fafif
Oct 12 2013 02:14 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:




A visual career retrospective, courtesy of The Man From Topps, of a pitcher who grew a mustache, learned to throw lefthanded*, and ended up at Butterball Field, older, but not a single pound heavier. Who is he?


* Not really. The Met image is reversed.


Good Greif!

Met image fixed.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 12 2013 02:31 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

G-Fafif wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:




A visual career retrospective, courtesy of The Man From Topps, of a pitcher who grew a mustache, learned to throw lefthanded*, and ended up at Butterball Field, older, but not a single pound heavier. Who is he?


* Not really. The Met image is reversed.


Good Greif!

Met image fixed.





Greif never did get to play for either the Mets or Expos, and was never Topps carded as a Card.. He ended his pro baseball career as a member of the '78 Tidewater Tides.


Zvon
Oct 12 2013 05:05 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Agee on the '73 Mets. Could you do something about Ryan and Otis, too?

Agee holds a special place in my baseball heart. He's gonna get special treatment. Like Shea, tho I'll finish the Agee post before I put it up.
For those guys the best I can do is what I did on the 68 page.

Let's get this over with and put Ryan and Otis on the same '68 rookie card.
Now we only have to be reminded of those two trades once.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 13 2013 01:46 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F



He appeared on a 1969 Topps baseball card as a member of the Mets even though he'd thrown his last major league pitch two years before. Who is the pitcher shown above, photographed by The Man From Topps in front of a Shea Stadium outfield wall that is definitely not white?

Zvon
Oct 13 2013 12:42 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

You sure about that?

G-Fafif
Oct 13 2013 01:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Hands used his right hand. Fella in that picture was a portsider.

.

Hendley is most famous for pitching the game of his life versus Sandy Koufax on the absolute worst night to pitch the worst game of your life against Sandy Koufax.

Bill Hands never got a Mets card but he was positioned to maybe continue his career as a Met upon his trade from Texas for George Stone prior to 1976. It wasn't his kind of situation, as he told Rick Talley in The Cubs of '69.

I was at home trying to get into shape -- pitching with a high school team during the players' strike actually -- and both my back and arm were killing me. So I said, "I've had it. It's just not worth it." Besides, I didn't want to pitch for the Mets anyhow.


Hands made that statement in the late 1980s as the owner/operator of a gas station near Orient Point, way the hell out on Long Island. "Now I'm living here in New York," the Cub who hit Tommie Agee said, "and I still have to listen to everybody talk about the Mets. That's OK. You have to give them credit when it's due, and in 1969, they had one great year. They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"

Zvon
Oct 13 2013 05:51 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Hendley, damn.

Zvon
Oct 13 2013 05:54 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"

What a dick!

dinosaur jesus
Oct 13 2013 06:47 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"

What a dick!


I'm not sure how to read this. Is he saying that the Cubs weren't really that good, so it's no big deal that the Mets beat them? That's kind of a weird dig. Or is he saying that the Mets weren't good, just lucky? That just sounds dumb.

I do respect that he never got over being pissed about 1969--none of that "We did our best and the better team won" crap.

Zvon
Oct 13 2013 07:26 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"

What a dick!


I'm not sure how to read this. Is he saying that the Cubs weren't really that good, so it's no big deal that the Mets beat them? That's kind of a weird dig. Or is he saying that the Mets weren't good, just lucky? That just sounds dumb.

I do respect that he never got over being pissed about 1969--none of that "We did our best and the better team won" crap.

He also said:
You have to give them credit when it's due, and in 1969, they had one great year.

So to me he says the '69 Mets were great and lucky too. Then he disses his entire team which had four future HOF players on it. I think he's got a problem.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 13 2013 08:09 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

G-Fafif wrote:
Hands used his right hand. Fella in that picture was a portsider.

.

Hendley is most famous for pitching the game of his life versus Sandy Koufax on the absolute worst night to pitch the worst game of your life against Sandy Koufax.

Bill Hands never got a Mets card but he was positioned to maybe continue his career as a Met upon his trade from Texas for George Stone prior to 1976. It wasn't his kind of situation, as he told Rick Talley in The Cubs of '69.

I was at home trying to get into shape -- pitching with a high school team during the players' strike actually -- and both my back and arm were killing me. So I said, "I've had it. It's just not worth it." Besides, I didn't want to pitch for the Mets anyhow.


Hands made that statement in the late 1980s as the owner/operator of a gas station near Orient Point, way the hell out on Long Island. "Now I'm living here in New York," the Cub who hit Tommie Agee said, "and I still have to listen to everybody talk about the Mets. That's OK. You have to give them credit when it's due, and in 1969, they had one great year. They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"




At least Zvonnie got the right initials.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 13 2013 08:17 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F



This former Met never appeared on a Topps baseball card as a Met. However, he played for one of the earliest division winners in baseball history. His teammates on that first place team included a future Mets announcer, a future MVP award winner who would spend five seasons in Flushing, a Cooperstown bound future Met, and a slugger who would hit some of the longest HR's in Met history. Who is he?

Zvon
Oct 13 2013 08:37 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Is that Kenny Henderson?
[url]http://www.topps.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/2000x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/u/auction_hend_722.jpg

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 13 2013 09:33 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

A rare water tower sighting. (Ronn Reynolds in foreground).

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 13 2013 10:54 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This former Met never appeared on a Topps baseball card as a Met. However, he played for one of the earliest division winners in baseball history. His teammates on that first place team included a future Mets announcer, a future MVP award winner who would spend five seasons in Flushing, a Cooperstown bound future Met, and a slugger who would hit some of the longest HR's in Met history. Who is he?


Zvon wrote:
Is that Kenny Henderson?






and teammates







Edgy MD
Oct 14 2013 08:15 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
dinosaur jesus wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


This ex-Met was a tort plaintiff in a baseball related lawsuit that was ultimately heard by the New York Court of Appeals, the State's highest court.


Elliott Maddox. I want a red belt like that.

My favorite Met memory of Elliott Maddox (actually, it's my only memory) is of him executing a perfect hit and run, hitting the ball through the right side when the second baseman left to cover the base. The next time up, the shortstop covered, and he hit it through the right side. That's great hitting, I thought. This Elliott Maddox is a great hitter.


My memory is of him going after a sure homer while playing right at Shea. He cruised back and jumped up on the wall, standing on the middle wood frame of the plexiglass bullpen fence, and reaching up to....
He never had a chance for the ball. The ball sailed over his head and maybe even the bullpen. I just remember thinking how I like that he gave it that extra dramatic flair.

My most vivid Maddox memory is him working out of position for a season a third base, learning on the job for the most part.

Playing, I guess, near the line, with a runner on first, he moved toward the hole, stumbling to glove a ball on his left. Continuing to stumble as the threw from about a third of the way toward second, he released this rubbery wounded bird of a throw, that bounced a full two times over it's sixty-foot journey before reaching second, and still arrived in time for the putout.

Zvon
Oct 14 2013 03:28 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

G-Fafif wrote:

Hands made that statement in the late 1980s as the owner/operator of a gas station near Orient Point, way the hell out on Long Island. "Now I'm living here in New York," the Cub who hit Tommie Agee said, "and I still have to listen to everybody talk about the Mets. That's OK. You have to give them credit when it's due, and in 1969, they had one great year. They were lucky as hell too, but did you ever think of this? Did you ever think that maybe we weren't really quite as good as everybody thought we were?"


Also, Mr. Hands was not the Cub who hit Tommie Agee. He was the Cub that knocked him down trying to hit him. He couldn't even do that right. Ash-hole. Agee got up, dusted himself off, and grounded out to third. After that Tommie reeked havoc the entire game. Homered next time up, then singled and did all that running and scoring business. Hands was still in there to face Agee in the 8th and he walked him.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 15 2013 06:59 PM
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Today's Met of the day, John Stearns, at Butterball Field (white sign where fence shortens seen in the background).

Zvon
Oct 15 2013 07:10 PM
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Lets add a Koosman to the list.

Zvon
Oct 15 2013 07:12 PM
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I could make a whole set of cards of just Mets at the spot.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 15 2013 11:19 PM
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"Ray Sadecki. Pffft. I'm the King of the Mets".

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2013 11:27 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

A trio of Who Am I's with Metly connections, all shot by The Man From Topps.





themetfairy
Oct 16 2013 12:13 PM
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I can't see the first one.

The guy in the Cardinals uni looks like Art Howe.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 12:18 PM
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And the Expos one looks like Terry Collins.

The middle guy doesn't look like Jerry Manuel or Willie Randolph, however.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2013 12:39 PM
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Something tells me the middle one is, um, GRZENDA

I agree, bottom guy is Art.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2013 12:47 PM
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themetfairy wrote:
I can't see the first one.

The guy in the Cardinals uni looks like Art Howe.




batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2013 12:48 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Something tells me the middle one is, um, GRZENDA


You mean like Grzenda's glove?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2013 12:50 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
And the Expos one looks like Terry Collins.


Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 12:53 PM
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Yeah, posing like a pitcher and wearing an Expos uniform didn't reflect too well on that guess.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2013 01:13 PM
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Uh... Dan Warthen.

seawolf17
Oct 16 2013 02:28 PM
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Nope. John Strohmayer.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2013 08:19 PM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Nope. John Strohmayer.





Yay!! Seawolf gets the clap. Do you realize just what kind of a maniac you have to be to recognize Strohmayer? Do you think you'd be able to recognize Brad Emaus if I posted a picture of him in a Blue Jays uniform 40 years from now? 'Cause that's what identifying Strohmayer is like.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 16 2013 08:33 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


seawolf17 wrote:
Nope. John Strohmayer.





Yay!! Seawolf gets the clap. Do you realize just what kind of a maniac you have to be to recognize Strohmayer? Do you think you'd be able to recognize Brad Emaus if I posted a picture of him in a Blue Jays uniform 40 years from now? 'Cause that's what identifying Strohmayer is like.


Ah, but Wolfie is a fellow baseball card collector. I suspect he, like me, came of age around the time of the 1973 team, and obsessively kept his cards grouped by team. Strohmayer has a 1973 Expos card, and being a goofball kid, I crossed out Expos on the card and wrote Mets. (A card I had to replace years later....)

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 17 2013 11:24 AM
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Cardigans? Argyles? Ski motifs? Winter'll be here before you know it. So we've prepared a fitting (get it? Fitting?) Who Am I. Identify every Met pictured below in one single post and you'll win four 4 four



clappers





G-Fafif
Oct 17 2013 01:37 PM
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This was back when scouting really put a premium on outerwear. And not without good reason.



Nevertheless, to paraphrase the late, great Leo McGarry in his wise counsel to overwrought Sam Seaborn on The West Wing, I think the Mets were putting too much faith in the magical powers of a new sweater.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 17 2013 06:17 PM
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Hint: Four of these Mets already appeared in this thread.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 17 2013 08:44 PM
Re: Who Am I? (I was gonna name this thread "Who Are You"?)

dgwphotography wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Who is this Toppless ex-Met who never appeared on a Topps baseball card in a Cardinals uniform?


There is something about the look of kodachrome that just can't be duplicated today...


I wouldn't know kodachrome from Codacrommini, Italy. But those Topps shots are rich and vibrant. And what detail. They seem to get right into the fibers of the uniforms.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 18 2013 01:36 PM
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Dave Kingman ... the batter's eye black tarp at Miller-Huggins in the background. I think. What's the patch of dirt right behind him? It looks like what should be left field at Butterball Field. And then what's the dirt field in the far background? The dirt right behind Kingman is throwing me off.

Zvon
Oct 18 2013 01:53 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Dave Kingman ... the batter's eye black tarp at Miller-Huggins in the background. I think. What's the patch of dirt right behind him? It looks like what should be left field at Butterball Field. And then what's the dirt field in the far background? The dirt right behind Kingman is throwing me off.



The dirt is all one body of dirt that is known as "The Infield Dirt @ Butterball Field". 2nd to 3rd base right behind him. That strip coming out of his shirt sleeve is 1st to 2nd. Further back, right field foul line along fence.That's either the batters black eye tarp behind Kong or one of those giant worms from DUNE.

They had some ratty grass lookin' down there.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 22 2013 08:59 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Here's a photo of Gil Hodges that you've probably seen more times than you can count. And now you know exactly where at Miller-Huggins he's kneeling for the cameraman.

Zvon
Oct 22 2013 05:59 PM
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It'll be awhile before I collect em all but this is the look of the SS and BF cards.

Of course Seaver gets a trophy.

The watertower supposed to spoof the Topps Rookie Award. The only thing I could think to make it an award for was top Mets. Rookie/veteran status, even position, don't mean anything in this set. Didn't we do a poll or thread establishing our top 50 (or 100) all time Mets? I can't find it.

Have we established who this guy is?^

If any of the years given are off lemme know Batmags.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 22 2013 06:10 PM
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Zvon wrote:


Have we established who this guy is?^


That's Craig Anderson. I assume there's gotta be a Bob Botz BF card in the works. Lute's last name is spelled B-A-R-N-E-S.

Zvon
Oct 22 2013 09:43 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:

Lute's last name is spelled B-A-R-N-E-S.

Gah, shoot. thnx.

HahnSolo
Oct 23 2013 07:08 AM
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Zvon wrote:
It'll be awhile before I collect em all but this is the look of the SS and BF cards.

Of course Seaver gets a trophy.

The watertower supposed to spoof the Topps Rookie Award. The only thing I could think to make it an award for was top Mets. Rookie/veteran status, even position, don't mean anything in this set. Didn't we do a poll or thread establishing our top 50 (or 100) all time Mets? I can't find it.

Have we established who this guy is?^

If any of the years given are off lemme know Batmags.


Brilliant.

Zvon
Oct 24 2013 02:34 PM
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Brilliant.


Thank you Mr. Solo. I really appreciate that.

So Sadecki tries to catch Seaver.

Seaver:"Not so fast scrub."


This guy makes some good cards. I think he has a cardpack for every year. I downloaded 1968 and 1970 and got a few S-Spot hits.


Not sure about this one^

We got it^




Mah man Tommie Agee gettin close


Donn is close but he prefers to be nearer his own field.

These are of that other area.



This might be down there and that sign might say Crescent Lake, but I really don't know.

The clubhouse.

Zvon
Oct 24 2013 04:37 PM
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2 more.
Donn sticks to his own field.

Dick Selma photobombs a great pic of the corner area.

Zvon
Oct 25 2013 02:09 PM
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It's amazing that I still find new ones every day.



This is a nice one. This batch must be the earliest photos of the area. Or would Botz be even earlier?


Anyone have a 68 Mets yearbook? A better scan of that one^ would be most appreciated.


I wonder if this was out there at Huggins Field and if so what area?
I think it might be near the sign.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 12 2013 08:49 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F




Hint: Four of these Mets already appeared in this thread.


Extreme left (standing) Don Shaw throws a hard high one and chooses this V-neck, raglan sleeve pullover knitted completely in ribbed stitch. The yarn is knitted worsted.

Extreme left (sitting) Sandy Alomar goes deep in the hole to field this Danish pullover with a patterned yoke. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is a mixture of wool and vinyon.

Zvon
Nov 12 2013 10:33 PM
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Hint: Four of these Mets already appeared in this thread.


Extreme left (standing) Don Shaw throws a hard high one and chooses this V-neck, raglan sleeve pullover knitted completely in ribbed stitch. The yarn is knitted worsted.

Extreme left (sitting) Sandy Alomar goes deep in the hole to field this Danish pullover with a patterned yoke. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is a mixture of wool and vinyon.

I wish I had enough style and/or knowledge to keep that going, but I don't. I can add that next from the left is Harvey Haddix, whose taste in sweaters is as ugly as his mug.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 13 2013 08:43 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:



Extreme left (standing) Don Shaw throws a hard high one and chooses this V-neck, raglan sleeve pullover knitted completely in ribbed stitch. The yarn is knitted worsted.

Extreme left (sitting) Sandy Alomar goes deep in the hole to field this Danish pullover with a patterned yoke. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is a mixture of wool and vinyon.

Standing next to Alomar - coach Harvey Haddix calls for a hit and run in this classic cardigan with cables and two color ribbed band. Yarn is machine washable Orion acrylic.

Standing behind Haddix's left shoulder - Larry Stahl finds a perfect can of corn as he catches this wide turtleneck in an allover zigzagdesign. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is wool, mohair and vinyon.

Standing to Stahl's left - Don Bosch has to hustle to catch up with this comfortable coat sweater. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is machine-washable crylor and mohair. Extra fabric for the growing center-fielder to grow into.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 03 2014 12:52 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:



Extreme left (standing) Don Shaw throws a hard high one and chooses this V-neck, raglan sleeve pullover knitted completely in ribbed stitch. The yarn is knitted worsted.

Extreme left (sitting) Sandy Alomar goes deep in the hole to field this Danish pullover with a patterned yoke. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is a mixture of wool and vinyon.

Standing next to Alomar - coach Harvey Haddix calls for a hit and run in this classic cardigan with cables and two color ribbed band. Yarn is machine washable Orion acrylic.

Standing behind Haddix's left shoulder - Larry Stahl finds a perfect can of corn as he catches this wide turtleneck in an allover zigzagdesign. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is wool, mohair and vinyon.

Standing to Stahl's left - Don Bosch has to hustle to catch up with this comfortable coat sweater. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is machine-washable crylor and mohair. Extra fabric for the growing center-fielder to grow into.


Standing to Bosch's left - Bart Shirley defends the hot corner for this Scandinavian design on yoke, waist and sleeves. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is sport yarn.

Sitting to Shirley's left - Bud Harrelson pulls the perfect steal with an all-wool Aran pullover with six different patterns. Waist and cuffs are rib and cable; turtleneck is twisted ribbing.

Sitting to Harrelson's left - Jerry Buchek belts a grand slam homer with this classically simple V-neck raglan-sleeve pullover. Stitch is stockinette; yarn is machine-washable Orlon acrylic.

Standing behind Harrelson and Buchek - Tom Reynolds bounces a grounder to this diamond-design boat-neck pullover. Stitch is stockinette; yarns are knitting worsted and a mixture of mohair and crylor.

Standing over Buchek's left shoulder - Chuck Estrada no-hits this slip-stitch pattern pullover with wide boat neck and single crochet edging. Yarns are knitting worsted and mohair, wool and nylon.

Edgy MD
Jan 03 2014 05:34 AM
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Buchek belts a grand slam while Reynolds is bouncing a grounder? I don't think so.

Zvon
Jan 04 2014 10:16 PM
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Some new old pics of Butterball. I think. I looked last 10 pages back and didn't see these up here yet.

I should have noted the year. IIRC 1956. Not sure which mound this would be and those trees look awfully big. I think the next ones confirm its Butterball though. Or, actually, the first base area of Clendenon Field with Butterball in the distance.

Again, looks like more trees goin on back there. That should be Crystal Lake beyond. Look at the cars, man. Look at those cars! All shiny and new. Now the field in the distance does not look like a full infield setup. Maybe at this time that was just a big patch of dirt with a batting cage. I think this was before Butterball was a complete field, tho the perspective might just make it look that way.

A color look at the parking lot and that green structure. Again, bigger looking trees in the direct backround. Is that a garden back there? I don't think the green structure was part of the facility then. And it probably was torn down for the clubhouse. I don't see the water fountain. That bench should be close to the area Stengels' bench ended up, clubhouse behind it. Again, the perspective could be messin' with me. Wish we could see more to the left where the fence is.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 25 2014 12:47 AM
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Who is this one-time Met with no respectable Topps Mets baseball card?

Zvon
Jan 25 2014 12:33 PM
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^That would be Wilmer “Vinegar Bend” Mizell. Mizell pitched for the St. Louis Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the New York Mets before entering Congress, where he led the Republicans to victory six times in the annual Congressional Baseball Game.

This quiz is for Batmags only:
Who are these Met players and what's going on there?
For one zillion extra points, name the two businessmen.

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 25 2014 01:47 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Obviously, it was "Bill Cosby Sweater Day" at Shea Stadium.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 25 2014 03:40 PM
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^That would be Wilmer “Vinegar Bend” Mizell. Mizell pitched for the St. Louis Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the New York Mets before entering Congress, where he led the Republicans to victory six times in the annual Congressional Baseball Game.

This quiz is for Batmags only:
Who are these Met players and what's going on there?
For one zillion extra points, name the two businessmen.



That's Bosch, Stahl, Harrelson, Reynolds and Haddix. The execs are Bill Groome and W. Page Thompson, who are present in conjunction with the Woman's Day magazine Mets Sweater Promo of 1967.

I have that picture. I was saving it for a rainy day. I'll give you a chance to get back the zillion points you owe me: What color is Larry Stahl's sweater.

I owe you a clapper for Mizell, which I'll withhold until this business about the zillion points is resolved.

Ashie62
Jan 25 2014 03:43 PM
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The two suits look right out of Madmen..

Zvon
Jan 25 2014 07:03 PM
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^That would be Wilmer “Vinegar Bend” Mizell. Mizell pitched for the St. Louis Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Pirates, and the New York Mets before entering Congress, where he led the Republicans to victory six times in the annual Congressional Baseball Game.

This quiz is for Batmags only:
Who are these Met players and what's going on there?
For one zillion extra points, name the two businessmen.



That's Bosch, Stahl, Harrelson, Reynolds and Haddix. The execs are Bill Groome and W. Page Thompson, who are present in conjunction with the Woman's Day magazine Mets Sweater Promo of 1967.

I have that picture. I was saving it for a rainy day. I'll give you a chance to get back the zillion points you owe me: What color is Larry Stahl's sweater.

I owe you a clapper for Mizell, which I'll withhold until this business about the zillion points is resolved.


Damn. A zillion points. I should have known you had that picture. Baaaaatmags!
Is this a trick question?
Now do you mean the color I'm seeing, or the actual color. Because I see black and like, dark gray, but that's a black and white photo. So the color I see or the actual color?

Stalling for time while I google Larry Stahls sweater.

Zvon
Jan 25 2014 07:06 PM
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I can tell you that the stitch is stockinette; yarn is wool, mohair and vinyon.

Zvon
Jan 25 2014 10:36 PM
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I'll have to go with black and red for a zillion, Bats.

batmagadanleadoff
Jan 26 2014 08:27 PM
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Zvon wrote:
I'll have to go with black and red for a zillion, Bats.


Howd'you figure that?

Zvon
Jan 26 2014 09:41 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
I'll have to go with black and red for a zillion, Bats.


Howd'you figure that?


It's a logical assumption based on the hues of grey in the photograph.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 06 2014 07:54 PM
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SNY now showing some B&W film footage from the Spring of '62 featuring Ralph and Casey being interviewed at the Sadecki Spot at Butterball Field, (pre-cage area in background).

Zvon
Feb 06 2014 08:02 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
SNY now showing some B&W film footage from the Spring of '62 featuring Ralph and Casey being interviewed at the Sadecki Spot at Butterball Field, (pre-cage area in background).


I saw that. I don't get SNY but David Rothenberg was nice to share the footage on fb.
I have to admit, I got a little excited when I saw the background. A wind was blowing...I had never seen the Sadecki Spot IN ACTION.

The stands directly behind Ralph were a surprise. I would have thought they weren't there til the mid 70's.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 07 2014 11:40 AM
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Zvon wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
SNY now showing some B&W film footage from the Spring of '62 featuring Ralph and Casey being interviewed at the Sadecki Spot at Butterball Field, (pre-cage area in background).


I saw that. I don't get SNY but David Rothenberg was nice to share the footage on fb..


Image? Link?

Zvon
Feb 07 2014 12:37 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
SNY now showing some B&W film footage from the Spring of '62 featuring Ralph and Casey being interviewed at the Sadecki Spot at Butterball Field, (pre-cage area in background).


I saw that. I don't get SNY but David Rothenberg was nice to share the footage on fb..


Image? Link?


I'll have to hunt it down. Pretty sure it was David. I hit a lot of links yesterday. Anything Ralph I checked out, thru all media outlets I frequent (ha,like 3 including the pool). But links led to other links and I viewed a lot of Kinerstuff. I'll track it down.

Zvon
Feb 07 2014 01:20 PM
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I scrolled down pretty far and I'm not finding it- it was on the TRUE NEW YORK METS FANS page.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 10 2014 10:16 AM
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Baseball card collectors of a certain age might think that I once played for the NY Mets. I didn't. Who am I?

Zvon
Feb 10 2014 12:32 PM
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Who else was in the Agee deal? I have to go look at my baseball cards.

Buddy Booker?

Zvon
Feb 10 2014 01:00 PM
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Is this shot from the fields in St. Petersburg (Miller Huggins/aka/Butterball and Clendenon Fields: I doubt there was ever a hotel like that around there)? Could this be Al Lang Field (more hotels are in that area I would think).

I'm reading a Met book that says when the team first got to St Petersburg in '62 the hotel they were set to use would not accept colored people so they had to find another. They were going to stay at the Soreno Hotel. They ended up staying at the Colonial Inn. It would be kool if that hotel in the pic was one of those two.

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 10 2014 02:14 PM
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Zvon
Feb 10 2014 04:57 PM
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Wow, thank you. So it is neither. And the Colonial was a hotel/motel, when you could call em both.

The more I look at the structure behind Neal the more I think that it's a haunted motel.

Edgy MD
Feb 10 2014 06:06 PM
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The Soreno looks as much like a prison as a Florida hotel.

The Mets were the first baseball team integrated from day one.

Zvon
Feb 10 2014 09:28 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The Soreno looks as much like a prison as a Florida hotel.

The Mets were the first baseball team integrated from day one.


I wonder if that was done as a moral choice or a P.R. choice? Did that go unnoticed back then (the hotel thing)? Maybe, simply a logical choice (because they would want the team together in one place)?.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 10 2014 10:08 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Baseball card collectors of a certain age might think that I once played for the NY Mets. I didn't. Who am I?


Stumper.

Zvon
Feb 10 2014 10:21 PM
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Damn. He's even in his ChiSox uni on the card. I shudda got this one.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 10 2014 10:22 PM
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Baseball card collectors of a certain age might think that I once played for the NY Mets. I didn't. Who am I?

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 12 2014 10:12 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Baseball card collectors of a certain age might think that I once played for the NY Mets. I didn't. Who am I?


Another stumper. Youse might've recognized him if I airbrushed the logo right off of his baseball cap.

[fimg=466]http://img.comc.com/original/968fc977-06c4-432f-a6ad-09d03209ec35.jpg[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 12 2014 10:27 AM
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What Mike Joyce and Jerry Robertson said. Who am I?

Zvon
Feb 12 2014 02:36 PM
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Was a '67 card right for him? He must be in that '67 SGT PEPPER parody cuz I know that ugly mug all too well.

Zvon
Feb 12 2014 02:38 PM
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BTW, great photo for my collection, thank you :)

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 12 2014 02:41 PM
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Zvon wrote:


Was a '67 card right for him? He must be in that '67 SGT PEPPER parody cuz I know that ugly mug all too well.


I don't know that any card's right for Ernie. Like Mike and Jerry above him, he never played for the Mets. Unlike most of the other Who Am I's in this thread, who played for the Mets but were never Toppsed -- Ernie did get a real 1966 Topps card.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 14 2014 12:58 AM
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A special Valentine's Day edition of "Who Am I?".

Who am I?

Benjamin Grimm
Feb 14 2014 04:17 AM
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That's gotta be Ed Kranepool, right?

(He got that clean close shave by using Gillette Foamy.)

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 14 2014 09:44 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
That's gotta be Ed Kranepool, right?

(He got that clean close shave by using Gillette Foamy.)


Yeah, but I doubt it was the Gillette Foamy because Ed probably wasn't shaving yet.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 03 2014 12:04 PM
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This guy's using Topps photography to sell his own large prints of Tom Terrific at The Sadecki Spot.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SV0131-Tom-Seav ... 3f31af3c40

Zvon
Mar 03 2014 01:34 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
This guy's using Topps photography to sell his own large prints of Tom Terrific at The Sadecki Spot.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SV0131-Tom-Seav ... 3f31af3c40


A person using Topps photography for evil purposes!

Seriously-he can get away with that? I got a nice new printer here. I'll sell copies of all my Met pics at half that price.

That might be a better quality photo than the one I have. Thank you.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 14 2014 12:19 PM
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The Men at Topps filed this Man From Topps photo of me in their Kansas City Royals section, even though I'm pictured in a Mets uniform at Shea Stadium. So who am I?

[fimg=333:1y7nkhq2]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2640/13151569545_aa11ea4120_o.jpg[/fimg:1y7nkhq2]

Zvon
Mar 14 2014 12:26 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Wow. Hawk was scalped.



My apologies to Taylor for that comment.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 18 2014 03:10 PM
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Now he's using Topps Photography to sell 45" x 37" prints of Seaver at the Sadecki Spot. He operates out Russia, if that matters any.

[fimg=655]http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/13251803924_cb510a76bf_o.jpg[/fimg]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XV0131-Tom-Seav ... 417d83460e

Zvon
Mar 18 2014 03:49 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Where did he get a pic of my living room?

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 23 2014 11:16 AM
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Another Who Am I from The Department of Baseball card collectors of a certain age might think that I once played for the NY Mets. I didn't.

Who am I?

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 23 2014 11:59 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F



For all the times I appeared in a Mets yearbook, you'd figure that I'd get at least one Topps card in a Mets uniform. Here's a neat trick: Adding a consonant to the front of my first name spells the name of another Met.

Who am I?

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 24 2014 07:00 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Another Who Am I from The Department of Baseball card collectors of a certain age might think that I once played for the NY Mets. I didn't.

Who am I?


[fimg=333]http://img.comc.com/original/694e8d01-0d8e-499e-98e6-fd279d8672ec.jpg[/fimg]

Zvon
Mar 24 2014 07:10 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Damn. I knew that face. Didn't want to peek at cards. I was gonna say Martin Milner.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 24 2014 07:11 PM
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For all the times I appeared in a Mets yearbook, you'd figure that I'd get at least one Topps card in a Mets uniform. Here's a neat trick: Adding a consonant to the front of my first name spells the name of another Met.

Who am I?


(M)ike Hampton, in a Mets jersey that "The Franchise" might've pitched in.

[fimg=322]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3791/13393401765_4dcae13ab7_o.jpg[/fimg]

Yearbook Ike



Custom Carded by Bob

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 30 2014 11:42 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

[fimg=555:28125md5]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7434/13530529634_c295c8c01e.jpg[/fimg:28125md5]

This shot coulda been on the first Topps baseball card ever photographed at the Astrodome. Too bad. Who am I?

Zvon
Mar 31 2014 11:22 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Thats Doctor Ron Taylor.

batmagadanleadoff
Mar 31 2014 01:20 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
[fimg=355]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7434/13530529634_c295c8c01e.jpg[/fimg]

This shot coulda been on the first Topps baseball card ever photographed at the Astrodome. Too bad. Who am I?


Zvon wrote:
Thats Doctor Ron Taylor.




batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2014 10:14 AM
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It's Astro day here at the Who Am I? thread.

[fimg=333:1p4xx2gp]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3805/13562939885_1d2e75df5b.jpg[/fimg:1p4xx2gp][fimg=333:1p4xx2gp]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3809/13563329494_ab42485369.jpg[/fimg:1p4xx2gp] [fimg=266:1p4xx2gp]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3819/13563329504_6e645f813d.jpg[/fimg:1p4xx2gp] [fimg=333:1p4xx2gp]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2856/13563329554_a9456e6375.jpg[/fimg:1p4xx2gp][fimg=333:1p4xx2gp]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/13563329564_0febb723f8.jpg[/fimg:1p4xx2gp]

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 01 2014 02:05 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Looks like Rusty in the top middle, and of course Series MVP Ray Knight down below. The airbrush cap on the Padres uniform is brutal!

Zvon
Apr 01 2014 02:27 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Felix Mantilla, Bob Aspromonte,...

Doug Rader?

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2014 07:55 PM
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It's still Astro day here at the Who Am I? thread. One more to go (the one-time Met that went from the Padres to the Astros in the '70's), plus one new one more to go.

[fimg=333:35nq697s]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/13563329564_0febb723f8.jpg[/fimg:35nq697s][fimg=303:35nq697s]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/13572124885_bbc545373d.jpg[/fimg:35nq697s]

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 01 2014 08:12 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Art Howe lighting up the Man From Topps' lens on the right.

Zvon
Apr 01 2014 08:41 PM
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I knew we saw this guy (cripes this is a long thread to look thru). And I said the same thing, Rader. Ha.

Dave Roberts.

I swear someday these'll stick Bats.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2014 08:52 PM
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Zvon wrote:
I knew we saw this guy (cripes this is a long thread to look thru). And I said the same thing, Rader. Ha.

Dave Roberts.

I swear someday these'll stick Bats.


So they didn't have Photoshop or sophisticated software or probably any kind of software illustrating programs in 1972. But they had artists, right? People that could draw and illustrate? And went to art school and all that jazz?

[fimg=333]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE3M1g4MzM=/z/~iMAAOxyyq5TN3zR/$_57.JPG[/fimg] [fimg=333]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/13563329564_0febb723f8.jpg[/fimg]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Art Howe lighting up the Man From Topps' lens on the right.


[fimg=233]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-coJUi4WDS3g/ULQCJoBJtBI/AAAAAAAAjRg/8L4vqYkcL5w/s1600/Art+Howe+(3).jpg[/fimg] [fimg=233]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/13572124885_bbc545373d.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=233]http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/09/24/sports/Art-Howe.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=233]http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/32/90/e854_35.JPG[/fimg]

Zvon
Apr 01 2014 09:10 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
I knew we saw this guy (cripes this is a long thread to look thru). And I said the same thing, Rader. Ha.

Dave Roberts.

I swear someday these'll stick Bats.


So they didn't have Photoshop or sophisticated software or probably any kind of software illustrating programs in 1972. But they had artists, right? People that could draw and illustrate? And went to art school and all that jazz?


Yep. And then they went and got real jobs.
I kid. I would have loved that job. I suppose Topps had an art department (maybe far fetched for those years, I dunno) and that's the best they could have come up with. True though, quite a few don't look as though a trained hand was involved in any way.

Just how did they do it? Was the artist given a photo and he took a brush right to it? Maybe more similar to cell animation with a clear layer above that is painted on(they certainly had matte processes in movies at this point-something like that?) Did they only allow him one photo to deface, and that's why some real bad ones were accepted? There's a good story here.

Now I'm curious as to which Roberts is the reverse image. I figure not the card. Why does Topps do that? Stupidity?

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 01 2014 10:16 PM
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Zvon wrote:

Now I'm curious as to which Roberts is the reverse image. I figure not the card. Why does Topps do that? Stupidity?



[fimg=233]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE3M1g4MzM=/z/~iMAAOxyyq5TN3zR/$_57.JPG[/fimg] [fimg=233]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3695/13563329564_0febb723f8.jpg[/fimg]

The watermarked Man From Topps Roberts shot is the reversed image -- not the shot on his actual '72 card. You can tell from the way those Padres uniforms button -- buttons on the players' right, buttonholes on their left.

[fimg=333]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQ0MFgxMDgw/z/QHsAAOxykmZTNPWQ/$_57.JPG[/fimg]

What you can't tell is whether Roberts' Astro cap was painted directly onto the reversed image or on the regular image.

Zvon
Apr 02 2014 10:31 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Whos this guy?

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 04 2014 12:32 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Whos this guy?



I'm stumped.

Zvon
Apr 04 2014 01:34 PM
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Bill Haas, whoever he is. From the New York Sunday News, 4/26/64.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 04 2014 01:48 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Bill Haas, whoever he is. From the New York Sunday News, 4/26/64.



I have that magazine. The Daily News would traditionally run a Mets (and Yankees) Spring Preview/Early Season photo spread in their Sunday News Magazine up until the very early '70's. Those magazines were sometime called "colorotos", which, I think, described the coloring process used back then. I have most of those DN Sunday mags that featured the Mets.

Edgy MD
Apr 04 2014 01:52 PM
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The league felt so bad about how bad the expansion pool was for the Colts and Mets, they arranged a second mini-expansion draft following the 1963 season. Each of the other teams were to put four players into a pool, from which New York and Houston could select up to eight, paying the other team 30,000 a piece.

It was, of course, another disastrous pool of talent, and if served anybody, it served the established teams by offering them a way to get 30,000 for their worst players. The future Astros made only one selection and the Mets two --- starting pitcher Fat Jack Fisher and west coast slugger Haas.

Haas was hampered by the reality of batting outside of the desert and an inability to field. For a team in between Marv Throneberry and Dick Stuart, the latter issue was somehow a concern, so they farmed him out and found out quickly that his numbers in northeastern locations didn't reflect in any way those he put up in the southwest, and he never made the big squad.

I think they really hoped he'd be the steal of the draft.

Zvon
Apr 04 2014 04:51 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:

I have that magazine. The Daily News would traditionally run a Mets (and Yankees) Spring Preview/Early Season photo spread in their Sunday News Magazine up until the very early '70's. Those magazines were sometime called "colorotos", which, I think, described the coloring process used back then. I have most of those DN Sunday mags that featured the Mets.


Well get scanning man! These rare Met innerweb images don't scan themselves.
Colorotos. I've never heard of that but it does sound like it would be the name an early color process. Most interesting.

Edgy MD wrote:
The league felt so bad about how bad the expansion pool was for the Colts and Mets, they arranged a second mini-expansion draft following the 1963 season. Each of the other teams were to put four players into a pool, from which New York and Houston could select up to eight, paying the other team 30,000.

It was, of course, another disastrous pool of talent, and if served anybody, it served the established teams by offering them a way to get 30,000 for their worst players. The future Astros made only one selection and the Mets two --- starting pitcher Fat Jack Fisher and west coast slugger Haas.

Haas was hampered by the reality of batting outside of the desert and an inability to field. For a team in between Marv Throneberry and Dick Stuart, the latter issue was somehow a concern, so they farmed him out and found out quickly that his numbers in northeastern locations didn't reflect in any way those he put up in the southwest, and he never made the big squad.

I think they really hoped he'd be the steal of the draft.


Amazin' info. thank you Ed.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 06 2014 06:03 PM
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Astro Day continued here at the "Who Am I?".

[fimg=533:30qsf0kr]https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5472/13680352063_172b2beb0c.jpg[/fimg:30qsf0kr]

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 06 2014 06:04 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

That's Jesus, man.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 06 2014 06:06 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
That's Jesus, man.


For the quickest correct answer in the history of the "Who Am I?", you win one pair of orange colored starred stirrups, just like the ones worn by The Man From Topps photo subject, Jesus Alou.

Zvon
Apr 06 2014 06:08 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

AAAAssssooooose

Zvon
Apr 07 2014 04:02 PM
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Not sure this should go here but:


What's the deal with the sign in the middle? There had to be players standing there, right? Room for 4 easy.
I've always wondered about this. Anyone have a clue?

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 07 2014 06:26 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I think that's from a revised edition and they cropped and pasted players all over the place. I'll look for the original and scan!

Zvon
Apr 07 2014 09:25 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I think that's from a revised edition and they cropped and pasted players all over the place. I'll look for the original and scan!


With yearbook team pics I remember them adding players that weren't there in little circular pics.

Players that weren't supposed to be there? I dunno. Usually its currently correct at printing. Strikes me odd that 4 players who didn't end the season on the team would be standing there all together in the middle. That's usually prime real estate for a team pic.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I photoshopped that team pic and put the Shea scoreboard in that spot. Now I'm thinking of putting the missing players back in, if that's the case (it could be one player laying down and held aloft in Cleon, Ed, Stone and Storks arms).

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 08 2014 11:48 AM
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Zvon wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
I think that's from a revised edition and they cropped and pasted players all over the place. I'll look for the original and scan!


With yearbook team pics I remember them adding players that weren't there in little circular pics.

Players that weren't supposed to be there? I dunno. Usually its currently correct at printing. Strikes me odd that 4 players who didn't end the season on the team would be standing there all together in the middle. That's usually prime real estate for a team pic.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I photoshopped that team pic and put the Shea scoreboard in that spot. Now I'm thinking of putting the missing players back in, if that's the case (it could be one player laying down and held aloft in Cleon, Ed, Stone and Storks arms).


[fimg=866]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nYSKXlm_7Pg/S-MhlQeX0II/AAAAAAAAAIw/XdpV8ron0fU/s1600/73Topps389.jpg[/fimg]

Here's the Mets team pic on the 1973 Topps baseball card. None of the four Mets standing in what you call the prime middle -- Agee, McAndrew, Fregosi or Frisella -- would wind up on the '73 post-season roster.

Of course, that team photo had to have been taken early in the '72 season, a year before the card was available. Is that Jim Beauchamp standing behind Jerry Grote? Because if it is, and he's wearing #5 instead of #24, then that means that Willie Mays is MIA.

Zvon
Apr 08 2014 02:53 PM
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Yea, that's deff Beauchamp.

The guys in the last row after Matlack (going to right).
Dave Marshall, Chuck Taylor, Bill Sudakis and who ?
Harry Parker? Joe Nolan? Tom Cruise?


It's doable but I'm gonna go with the scoreboard.
I wouldn't have minded another team pic with Agee in it but other than that I see no point. Still,
I'm curious as to who was back there.


So, to get back to the original question : McAndrews still there, upper right (whoops, now in it twice),
so Agee, Marshall, Fregosi, and Frisella? Oh wait, Gentry. No, Gentry and Frisella went for Stone and Millan, who are in it.

Yikes. Don't mind me. I'll figure this out.

Zvon
Apr 08 2014 03:46 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

So this would be the team pic in the original 73 yearbook? 5 rows high coming out of spring training. Ike Hampton gets Tommies 20! Wha!!?? Shudda retired it.

I kid, but seriously, lets start a movement to get Lagares and Recker to switch numbers.

Zvon
Apr 13 2014 06:54 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Still, I'm curious as to who was back there.


Well I'll be damned. They really did do a cut and paste. I figured they just slapped the rectangle sign over whoever was there.


Pics taken same session, maybe seconds apart.

So it's Jerry May, Jim Gosger, Phil Hennigan and Jim Fregosi. And they moved Beauchamp and Hahn to the side. That would have to be literally cut & paste work, right? Hands on, with an exacto knife & allathat? Then taking a photo of the doctored photo?

A trainer and the player behind him on the far right are gone ( clubhouse att. Bill Hampton/ batboy George Palmero). Looks like Foster was pulled for Capra (upper left row). Capra's not in the B&W team pic. That must have required photo surgery.


Pretty amazin. I mean, I know pictures could be manipulated before PC and photo editors. Just never thought they'd do it to a baseball team pic. I recall the photo circles they'd use to add new guys.

Great job too, even with the fact that an orange rectangle team sign looks totally stupid there. I suppose the scoreboard is just as silly. I can't help it. I miss the old scoreboard *sob.

So the guy in uniform next to Jim McAndrew(in the color one) was not a Met player? A camera technician? I remember the Mets were one of the early teams to analyze video tape for training purposes but I don't think that was the guy I recall doing it. Conner? Wth is that guy doing in a uniform? That ain't right.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 13 2014 07:34 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
Yea, that's deff Beauchamp.

The guys in the last row after Matlack (going to right).
Dave Marshall, Chuck Taylor, Bill Sudakis and who ?
Harry Parker? Joe Nolan? Tom Cruise?




I got Don Hahn where you say Sudakis.

[fimg=633]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dK0XvM4F3mQ/U0RX0sSX9FI/AAAAAAAAOcE/3zJ1Y8JoO9o/s863/73MetTEAMpicTEST1.png[/fimg]

Why is Kranepool wearing #29? Did you do that?

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 13 2014 09:25 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:
Yea, that's deff Beauchamp.

The guys in the last row after Matlack (going to right).
Dave Marshall, Chuck Taylor, Bill Sudakis and who ?
Harry Parker? Joe Nolan? Tom Cruise?




I got Don Hahn where you say Sudakis.



[fimg=744]https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/13838606434_b0621bf591.jpg[/fimg]

I found another version of the team photo used on the Topps '73 team card -- with legend. You were right -- that's Sudakis, not Hahn. Also there's good reason why you couldn't identify the Met to Sudakis's left -- it's the batboy! Also, Boswell and Mays, physically MIA for that actual shoot, are included in circular insets. Don Hahn is both MIA and unaccounted for, even by insert.

Zvon
Apr 13 2014 10:50 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:

Why is Kranepool wearing #29? Did you do that?

Yes. Both unis above McAndrew and Stone are from the '71 team photo.
I did photoshop the #40 on to Stones, actually just the 0 over Seavers (4)1.


There must be color versions of all these team shots. I'm collecting the ones I find on-line and very few are in color. And most are not such good quality, color or not.

Edgy MD
Apr 26 2014 06:28 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

¿Quién soy yo?

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 26 2014 07:16 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
¿Quién soy yo?



That's what Tom Seaver and Johnny Bench's kid would look like.
[fimg=444]http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1106/memorable.sports.kisses/images/seaver-bench.jpg[/fimg]

Edgy MD
Apr 26 2014 08:18 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Nope, he's a real dude, not a double-Y chromosome monster!

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 28 2014 04:17 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Is that Mac Scarce?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 28 2014 05:19 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

could it be Jim Dwyer?

Edgy MD
Apr 28 2014 05:52 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Yeah, that's Mac without his mustache and shag.



I guess I don't hide it too well when it's in the photo's URL.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 28 2014 07:04 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
Yeah, that's Mac without his mustache and shag.



I guess I don't hide it too well when it's in the photo's URL.



I didn't see the URL, but I did think it looked like he was in a Phillies uniform. I remember Scarce came from the Phils.

batmagadanleadoff
May 03 2014 12:19 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

The Sadecki Spot on '80's cardboard:

[fimg=444:2cqgte14]http://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1980/Topps/189/Kevin_Kobel.jpg?id=58251399-a5cb-4903-8204-3c2d80542e42&size=original[/fimg:2cqgte14]

batmagadanleadoff
May 11 2014 02:31 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Two clappers if you can name this Sadecki Spot Met.

batmagadanleadoff
May 25 2014 11:37 PM
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A pre-cage Who am I by the clubhouse, water fountain in the background.

[fimg=644:3vwvqfti]https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5118/14269605052_85321d221b_o.jpg[/fimg:3vwvqfti]

Two clappers still my offer for the last who am I.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 02 2014 09:27 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Before the cage:

[fimg=644:1oln4hdg]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3911/14931912527_c23ca7a9f7_o.jpg[/fimg:1oln4hdg]

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 04 2014 09:03 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Who am I, posing as myself in this rare color photo (of myself) in a Padres uniform, the same style worn by Randy Jones when he lost to and then beat, former teammates of mine for the Cy Young award. And when you think of all the pitching talent the Mets were packing in their farm system when I was there, it's pretty amazin', amazin', amazin' that I'd be the one, me, myself! to give the franchise six years of major league service.

Zvon
Oct 04 2014 09:33 PM
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[youtube]eX2ktVn5b-c[/youtube]

That's Casey Kasem, RIP.

Jim McAndrew- he shouldn't have posed as himself. That's was a dead give-away.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 04 2014 10:35 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:
[youtube]eX2ktVn5b-c[/youtube]

That's Casey Kasem, RIP.

Jim McAndrew- he shouldn't have posed as himself. That's was a dead give-away.


Jim's too honest to pose as anybody else.

Zvon
Oct 05 2014 12:59 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

No ones going to say anything about Kasem being an Angel?

Zvon
Oct 05 2014 01:18 PM
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Uh-oh. I smell wood burning. That can only mean one thing. I have an idea, or the house is on fire again...TWO things!

For a possible off season project: has anyone ever done up Shea Stadium ala Gene Mack? I've always been a huge fan of Macks stadium drawings.

If no one has and I attempt to make one, what would be the details I should illustrate? Some are kinda obvious but I bet some of you guyz will come up with some lil golden nuggets of Shea history to include.


Edgy MD
Oct 05 2014 01:38 PM
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Nice.

Obvious spots to me:
[list:1ymgow26][*:1ymgow26]Agee's home run spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Ball-off-the-wall spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Agee's catch spots.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Swoboda's catch spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Beatles stage spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.[/*:m:1ymgow26]
[*:1ymgow26]Piazza home run spot.[/*:m:1ymgow26][/list:u:1ymgow26]

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 05 2014 01:44 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )

Zvon
Oct 05 2014 02:14 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
Nice.

Obvious spots to me:
[list][*]Agee's home run spot.[/*:m]
[*]Ball-off-the-wall spot.[/*:m]
[*]Agee's catch spots.[/*:m]
[*]Swoboda's catch spot.[/*:m]
[*]Beatles stage spot.[/*:m]
[*]Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.[/*:m]
[*]Piazza home run spot.[/*:m][/list:u]



These are great. I didn't have the BOTW play on my list * slaps forehead (or The Beatles stage or sign-man, two must haves)

Also on my list: Spot in the infield where Pratt picked up Ventura (as opposed to spot where the ball went out of the park)

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )


We'll have to decide if it's worth updating. I'm doing a diagram worthy graphic drawing of Shea- if we don't use it here I'll find another use for it.

Edgy MD
Oct 05 2014 02:42 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

[list:2hrg4mak][*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Melvin and Roger met mid-air.
[fimg=300:2hrg4mak]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f1AAcKl1v6Q/TxzI4XQqZ3I/AAAAAAAAEUY/y_KA3h7jj6U/s1600/roger+cedeno+osw3.jpg[/fimg:2hrg4mak][/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Ventura was halted from completing his lap.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Spot where Endy robbed history, for a few outs, at least.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Tomato patch.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]The Manufacturerer's Hanover sign that flashed H and E for hit and error.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]The bullpen cart.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Mr. Met.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Bill Shea's horseshoe of flowers.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]The two different facades on the inset external illustrations.[/*:m:2hrg4mak]
[*:2hrg4mak]Planes.[/*:m:2hrg4mak][/list:u:2hrg4mak]

Zvon
Oct 05 2014 07:55 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Shea will be laid out like this. I'm already considering a side insert that shows the TV booth with a nod to Murph and Kiner. I think that's the only thing we lose in this view.

The lil cartoon is an example of a historic arrow/point. I can take some of Macks original stuff and rework it, or draw the cartoon myself and scan it if I can't find one to fit.


There are a bunch of other stadiums done up here by Mack. I love his stuff. Look at Wrigley :)
[url]http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?84778-1946-47-Sporting-News-Sketches-of-Major-League-Parks-by-Gene-Mack-Full-Set-of-14

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 06 2014 10:12 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )


Yup! I have that one, too. I don't think it gets out of the 1980s.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 06 2014 10:15 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

The spot where Willie, Yogi, Tom and Rusty walked out to the fans in fair territory in left field after the Rose/Harrelson brawl and asked them to stop pelting Pete with stuff.

I don't think I've ever seen anything like that again!


The route of the black cat in front of the Cubs dugout!

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 06 2014 10:20 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote:
batmagadanleadoff wrote:
It's been done. When I get home, I'll post the image. (But it doesn't cover Shea's entire history. )


Yup! I have that one, too. I don't think it gets out of the 1980s.


Could you post it? I can't find that image on my PC.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 06 2014 10:33 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

This is NOT a great version of it, but I might be able to scan one tonight. it's by Amadee and was in a Sporting News stadium book.

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2014 10:45 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I didn't know Richard Kiel ever played for the Mets.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 06 2014 11:02 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
I didn't know Richard Kiel ever played for the Mets.



George Washington, too!

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2014 11:08 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Interestingly, they describe how Buckner "boots" the ball. But he of course booted nothing. As the illustration suggests, he just missed it.

G-Fafif
Oct 06 2014 11:49 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

That same Sporting News book is the first place I ever saw MFYS II completely conflated with MFYS I (Ruth, DiMaggio, et al, portrayed as playing in the 1976 version), which is when I sensed the world was going to hell.

Zvon
Oct 06 2014 02:09 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Wow, that's excellent. Thanks for posting that. Do you know if that's done by Gene Mack? I figure he probably was long gone by the time the Shea one was done. What does the scoreboard say?
Is that one in left about Rose, and is the bottle actually hitting him? If I had a clearer copy I'd use the 69/86 pennants right off that one (easy to remake tho).


Ed said:The two different facades on the inset external illustrations.
Are you referring to the OF wall & Scoreboard? If you are referring to something else lemme know Ed.
I am using the old classic scoreboard and OF wall. The one above uses a mix of the classic and final -a midway version. I do want to find a way to work in the more recent SB/OF look. I think an external would be the only way to go. I'm going to need more blank space around the stadium.

I could make this an animated .gif where the scoreboard changes thru it's different looks, but we'll lose clarity and I'm afraid the text might end up unreadable (hey, maybe a future project-the evolution of the scoreboard).

I think all of the things chosen in that 80's one will be included. Any suggested cuts? There might end up being an issue with space. First to cut for me would be the Dykstra homer.

I'd rather not give the mound to Bunning, although his perfecto was the best completed work on that hill. His classic game does deserve mention...and maybe even the mound. I think Seavers 10 in a row trump that. I mean, that has not been repeated, no? Who gets it, Bunning or Seaver?

There could be room for up to 5 portrait sketches. 4 for sure (corners). 3 minimum. Unfortunately Gooden will not be one of these (at least using up that much real estate-he'll get a few mentions, maybe a small portrait-I can use any/all of the portraits done in that old 86Mets drawing of mine)
Casey, Seaver, Gil? (should Gil be one? Who else should get an insert tribute sketch?)

Here's a thought- small to medium size portrait sketches of the top 8 all time position Mets, and r/l/pen pitchers.

Shea itself is looking good and I'm glad I went with this back/above view as opposed to the standard offside look. I'm adding the crowd which is monotonous work.

Edgy MD
Oct 06 2014 02:23 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Ed said:The two different facades on the inset external illustrations.
Are you referring to the OF wall & Scoreboard? If you are referring to something else lemme know Ed.
I am using the old classic scoreboard and OF wall. The one above uses a mix of the classic and final -a midway version. I do want to find a way to work in the more recent SB/OF look. I think an external would be the only way to go. I'm going to need more blank space around the stadium.



[fimg=400]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q0pphRGSQX4/VDGXkuKNfYI/AAAAAAAAU-Y/wH0IwpVA22k/s1042/sn4611mackpolo.jpg[/fimg]

^ ^

These inset illustrations in the lower left and lower right corners. They are inside baselines for Polo Grounds, but they likely would be different for Shea, because the perspective would be different. But I would use those two spots for illustrations of the two Shea exteriors --- the tile-coated Payson exterior and the neon-ballplayer-adorned Doubleday exterior.

In fact, I hereby move that these two skins be forever referred to as the Payson Exterior and the Doubleday Exterior.

If this works out well, can we do a shirt?

Zvon
Oct 06 2014 02:56 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Ed said:The two different facades on the inset external illustrations.
Are you referring to the OF wall & Scoreboard? If you are referring to something else lemme know Ed.
I am using the old classic scoreboard and OF wall. The one above uses a mix of the classic and final -a midway version. I do want to find a way to work in the more recent SB/OF look. I think an external would be the only way to go. I'm going to need more blank space around the stadium.



[fimg=400]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Q0pphRGSQX4/VDGXkuKNfYI/AAAAAAAAU-Y/wH0IwpVA22k/s1042/sn4611mackpolo.jpg[/fimg]

^ ^

These inset illustrations in the lower left and lower right corners. They are inside baselines for Polo Grounds, but they likely would be different for Shea, because the perspective would be different. But I would use those two spots for illustrations of the two Shea exteriors --- the tile-coated Payson exterior and the neon-ballplayer-adorned Doubleday exterior.

In fact, I hereby move that these two skins be forever referred to as the Payson Exterior and the Doubleday Exterior.

If this works out well, can we do a shirt?


I don't know how legible it will look on a shirt, but sure.

The image will end up being wider than I assumed, making for more blank space to add stuff. If I was thinking shirt I'd try to make it more square, which can be done at this point. Just add more space to the top and bottom instead of the sides. Bundle everything above and below. I am not sure if I want to adjust the layout. It might lose the look I'm going for, which is a Mack type layout. I'll give this some thought. I may do a rectangular and a square version.

Now with the external Shea's, you are referring to the differences in the Stadiums outer shell, correct? If so that's a great idea that fits right in. Keep in mind this work will be in B&W and some changes won't be as obvious as they would be/look in color. But the two different Shea outer shell looks should play well in B&W.

I also want to focus on the scoreboard/OF wall changes but I may drop that idea -or add another insert, above it.

When I get this crowd done I'll try and put up a list here (during tonights games) of all the Metly things chosen for use. So far all the things chosen are pretty main stream. I'm looking to include obscure stuff.

Like, exactly where did the black cat come from out of, or from underneath, the stands? I'd like to point to that exact spot (and maybe add a trail arrow of the cats path in front of the Cubs dugout).

Also, about the Met Walk ( '73 playoff: Rusty,Yogi,Mays,Seaver,Jones)- I already added an arrow path (all additions do not have to be permanent) showing Gils path when walking out to pull Cleon in '69.
1) Did that happen at Shea or on the road?
2) It's the same path for the "MetWalk". Should I add the "MetWalk" to it, or should it trump the "Gil to Cleon" walk and bump it? I'm thinking "MetWalk" trumps/bumps "Gil2Cleon" walk.

seawolf17
Oct 06 2014 05:00 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I'd be afraid the small print would wash out on a shirt really quickly. A poster, however...

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 07 2014 12:27 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

They said I was once the fastest player in all of baseball, even faster than Lou Brock and Maury Wills. Why I was so fast, that The Man From Topps couldn't catch me in a Mets uniform, even though I played for the Amazin's. Who am I?

G-Fafif
Oct 07 2014 02:33 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Billy Cowan?

MFS62
Oct 07 2014 07:02 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon, it was that book that had me drawing baseball stadia for a long while.
If you're going to add the broadcast booth, don't forget to make space in it for Lindsay Nelson next to those other two guys.

Later

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 07 2014 11:08 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

G-Fafif wrote:
Billy Cowan?


batmagadanleadoff
Oct 07 2014 11:11 AM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

"If you're making that poster, I want in!"
[fimg=544]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1170691.1407423237!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/michael-sergio-1986.jpg[/fimg]



Zvon
Oct 07 2014 12:30 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

seawolf17 wrote:
I'd be afraid the small print would wash out on a shirt really quickly. A poster, however...

I agree a poster would be the way to go.

Parachute Guy should make the cut.

Zvon, it was that book that had me drawing baseball stadia for a long while.
If you're going to add the broadcast booth, don't forget to make space in it for Lindsay Nelson next to those other two guys.

You'll have to lobby for Lindsay Nelson. Convince 14 year old me that he wasn't a traitor.
You draw? Do you want to add anything to the poster? That would make it a real community project. :)
That goes for anyone who wants to add anything.

Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone?
Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have.

Edgy MD
Oct 07 2014 12:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

It's at about the one-minute mark here.

[youtube:2nkau1pa]ClsAOhhUKz0[/youtube:2nkau1pa]

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 07 2014 12:38 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:

Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone?
Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have.


Straw hit it against the Astros, and Mo Vaughn hit it against the Braves. I was at both of those games -- front row behind the plate for Mo's shot.

Zvon
Oct 07 2014 12:59 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
It's at about the one-minute mark here.

[youtube]ClsAOhhUKz0[/youtube]


Excellent footage, thank you.

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:

Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard once? I don't recall the details. Anyone?
Has any other Mets hit the scoreboard? I'm thinking Delgado might have.


Straw hit it against the Astros, and Mo Vaughn hit it against the Braves. I was at both of those games -- front row behind the plate for Mo's shot.


Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.

Ceetar
Oct 07 2014 01:17 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I saw Adam Dunn hit the scoreboard once in BP. broke a light.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 07 2014 04:19 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:


Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.


Just under the "T" in "Born on Date" - more than halfway up the scoreboard.

[youtube]iUA6HV3jX4o[/youtube]

Edgy MD
Oct 07 2014 04:46 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Who's on play-by-play there?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 07 2014 05:18 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
Who's on play-by-play there?


I'm goin' with Gary Cohen and Fran Healy (Fran, especially on the "Super Cam", just in case no one heard it the first 89 times Fran mentioned the Super Cam), and Keith jumping in with the beer and the suds flowing off of the scoreboard and stuff.

Edgy MD
Oct 07 2014 05:25 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen.

It's not Coleman, is it?

Zvon
Oct 07 2014 07:15 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Zvon wrote:


Wowzers. I saw Straws sweet spot on the scoreboard(the dent in vid?). Pick a spot for Mo.


Just under the "T" in "Born on Date" - more than halfway up the scoreboard.

[youtube]iUA6HV3jX4o[/youtube]


Excellent, thank you. I vaguely remember this. He got all his weight behind that one. Wow.

I think one of those voices is Keith for sure.

Mets web site says the Shea was the very first stadium to ever put distances on their OF walls. I find this hard to believe.

Zvon
Oct 07 2014 08:59 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

I think this is going to balloon into a bigger project than I thought. If I can do it "scavenger art style"(picking stuff from various sources to use) it will be relatively quick work. If small cartoons are needed, drawing them won't add too much time wise, but portraits are another matter. I do have my own existing Met drawings that can be used as a portrait source (Carter, Keith, Doc & Straw if they do get portraits). The other portraits will be by Stark or Gallo and I hope that's not a problem poster wise.

Heres the list. I'm sure there are more to add (I hope there are), and many of those listed are debatable. Not sure if all will or should make it. A questionmark added means it's a "maybe". Room really won't be an issue, I can always expand the border, but I'd rather it be not any more busy than a Mack work, which are pretty damn busy. It should be busy, but not over busy (if thats possible--Ill probably find out).

My brother suggested a cut-away view of under the stands- the clubhouse- showing Keith with a beer and a cig watching the end of game 6. lol. I said, hey, maybe I can do that...

THE LIST SO FAR:

Notable Shea event/highlight:
>Seaver 10Ks in a row
>Ball on the wall
>Ball Thru BB's legs
>Agees upper decker
>Seavers almost perfect game(where Qualls hits landed?
>Spot black cat came from and it's path
>MetWalk2LF-73NLCS
>Stork Collision
>Spot where Ventura was halted from completing his lap.
>Tomato patch.
>The Manufacturerer's Hanover sign that flashed H and E for hit and error.
>The bullpen cart.
>Bill Shea's horseshoe of flowers (at/near home plate?).
> Spot in IF where Rose clocked Buddy
>Path and spot where Rose bottle landed
> Didn't Straw hit the scoreboard? That spot. And the spot by Mo.
>Planes. (can someone tell me in all the years how many planes flew over Shea? just approx.
ha. But I'm not kidding- how else to work in the planes?-just the path across the sky?)
>Beatles stage spot. (Mention Billy Joel here as well?)
>Sign man, seated in the position of his actual box.(I imagine he'll be there, standing, with a sign. I'll draw that myself.)- I can have his sign say YOU GOTTA BELIEVE, or anything else.
>Piazza home run spot.
>Spot where Pratts ball went out (cartoon of D'Back @ the wall)
>Gil shoe polish meeting spot w/ump
>Jesse in front of mound 86
>K corner -(w/Gooden rookie K record?)
> Banner Day ( Path they walked? Side bar? How to show this?)
> First stadium to add wall distances-is this true? I don't believe it.

Questionmarks:
>GilWalk2Cleon?
>JCM's WS bunt? (spot where it hit him like the 80's one)
>Spot where Melvin and Roger met mid-air?
>Gooden rookie K record?(possibly combine with above)
> Where bat half landed w/path in Piazza/Clemens incident?
>Mr.Met could be worked in pictured in the stands somewhere
>Carter HR 1st game?
>BobbyV mustache?-Id like to get BobbyV in there somewhere.
>Cleon last '69 WS out?
>LoDuca tags 2 at home?
>Mrs. Paysons box?
>Comeback vs Braves that time?
>Santana/ Maine 2007 last outings?
>I want to work in Tug but I don't feel the You Gotta Believe angle has anything to do with Shea itself. How do I fit in Tug?
> There should be at least a few bad things too. Like Beltran froze on Wainwrights curve ball here-----------x (gimme more bad things)
> Benny A and Dykstra post season homers?

Catches (all a must):

> Endy
>Swoboda
>Agee's 2 catches
>Staub 73NLCScatch

External:
Almost anything can go here and many notables & portraits will be out here.
> Retired numbers?
>All pennants/banners
>The two different facades on the inset external illustrations. (2 full stadium views)
>The WOR-TV booth/SNY booth (notes about Murph, Kiner, and our current trio - if you twist my arm until just before it breaks, Lindsay Nelson)
>Different bullpen wall? Other pen differences?
> Yankees shared Shea mid 70's

Portrait:

>Casey These will also have their retired number circles next to them
>Seaver
>Gil
Maybe-smaller portrait:
>Cleon?
> Davey J?
>Gooden?
>Strawberry?
>Keith?
>Carter?
>Wright?
>BobbyV?

Concerts:
Just a side bar list of all concerts held at Shea.
Beatles and Billy J will get special mention

The extra inning games and a few other things mentioned in the 80's one don't make the cut. Are any of those still a current record?

Where did cow-bell man hang out? The thing needs more cowbell, man.

Wasn't there some kind of roving band back in the day, for a short period?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 08 2014 04:41 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 08 2014 05:16 PM

http://m.mlb.com/video/v8852885/mlb-net ... n-disguise

The Clemens bat incident was up in the Bronx.

Shea was the first stadium to post distance markers beyond the outfields walls. I remember a 428' marker. Some of those markers may have been connected with Dave Kingman.

Also, what about that incident when they blew up the center field wall with cannon fire?

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 08 2014 04:46 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Lenny Randle when the lights went out.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 08 2014 05:05 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Johnny Callison's walk-off (did I say "walk-off? what is the world coming to?) in a Met helmet.

Fman99
Oct 08 2014 06:36 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Edgy MD wrote:
I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen.

It's not Coleman, is it?


Sounds like Gary Thorne to me.

Ashie62
Oct 08 2014 07:29 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Fman99 wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
I hear Keith and Fran, but the guy calling the homer isn't familiar, and doesn't sound like Cohen.

It's not Coleman, is it?


Sounds like Gary Thorne to me.


Yes it is...

MFS62
Oct 08 2014 09:18 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Yes Zvon, I used to draw, but not well. :(
No mention of the Jets playing at Shea?
Howz about a Super Bowl III Championship banner hanging from one of the flagpoles?
Or showing where the movable seats were positioned for football?

Later

dgwphotography
Oct 08 2014 09:48 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

Zvon wrote:

> First stadium to add wall distances-is this true? I don't believe it.


Nope.

Zvon
Oct 08 2014 11:56 PM
Re: Who Am I? & The Dedication & Re-creation of Butterball F

http://m.mlb.com/video/v8852885/mlb-network-remembers-bobby-valentine-in-disguise

The Clemens bat incident was up in the Bronx.

Shea was the first stadium to post distance markers beyond the outfields walls. I remember a 428' marker. Some of those markers may have been connected with Dave Kingman.

Also, what about that incident when they blew up the center field wall with cannon fire?


SO the BobbyV Mustache stays.

DOH. Clemens bat cut.

I get what you're saying. The Mets were the first to post distances beyond the outfield wall, and that might be very tue.

The Yankee canon incident should make it.

My brother said if I include the Stork collision I have to include the Dykstra/Mookie collision. I don't know that I agree, but they did both happen in the same area and might be able to be written up in the same bubble or box. Like just add Mook/Dyktra also collided here..
The Mook/Dykstra collision was way more kool looking, so I don't know why I put more weight on the Stork/Hahn one.

What did Randle do during the blackout?

Callisons walkoff and Bunnings perfecto are big Shea moments, and I have to work them in, but I don't want them getting major area(s) or space. I might include boxed facts around the outside with stuff like that.
The fact that Callison was wearing a Mets helmet, to me, makes that stand out more. Bunning does not get the mound even thought the achievement was never topped. He's not a Met. Certainly have to get him in there though. Mound will go to where Jerry/Grote hugged, and where Orosco dropped and made a V (right in front of mound).
Yes Zvon, I used to draw, but not well. :(
No mention of the Jets playing at Shea?
Howz about a Super Bowl III Championship banner hanging from one of the flagpoles?
Or showing where the movable seats were positioned for football?

Later

As far as contributing cartoons, they don't have to be anything great, or even good. Like the old cards, kinda doodles. Like I did for the 2002 set- i pull a paper from my printer, sketch the cartoon loosly (it can be done at a small size-real small if you want), scan it, send it to me and I'll clean it up and add it. You can even do it on lined paper, at work, and I can work with that-remove the lines, bring out the cartoon (all you guys at work withfive minutes to doodle).

This is not a great example- because it's for a card back-a cartoon made for the 2002 set.

Just sketch/doodle, scan, make it look like an ink drawing in a art type program, and wala, lil cute baseball cartoon. The size of the actual Agee cartoon thing is about 1/16th of the size of this scan. So even tiny ones can be used w np.

They don't have to be great and I think the more people contribute the more fun this is.

I don't consider the Polo Grounds shot of the distance to be "beyond" the field of play, so I think that still stands.

I've done a mock up with portraits surrounding Shea, with the Carter, Keith, Straw, Doc, and Cleon, including the big three retired # guys. But I think it looks much better with just the three biggy portraits, Casey, Gil, and Seaver, one in each corner and the alt stadium looks, including the football field set up with at least a mention of Namath and '69 in the final corner. Where ever I put the banners, or pennants, a Jets 69 one will be in there.

Sheesh, I want to include the Grand Funk Coin Shea (the balloon effect) but ....I'm not going to be able to get everything in it- I don't think. Maybe...maybe we have to whittle down.
I can show you tests/mock ups where I checked these things out, if you want to see how it looks with the extra portraits or during steps along the way. It took me a looooooong time to add the crowd, and it's not all in yet, so no big additions have been made. So far the Shea work looks real nice with a full crowd in it.

I also thought of possibly showing the difference between the Shea facades/look like they did on the 2008ByeShea Logo. But to add this to the existing stadium already outlined, would take some major changes to the layout. So maybe I add it as a separate image. I will make the photo look like a drawing, or I will draw it if I have to.


I would rather the facade looks extended from the original Shea drawing posted earlier, but I don't know if that's doable w/o some major changes to the layout.
It would be added, an extension to the Shea created up there. Might be worth the extra work.

I wanted this to also be a tribute to Gene Macks work and style as well, but if it evolves past that(well, not past it, because all Macks stuff is brilliant) but just into something else, I'll go with it, as long as it ends up capturing Shea's rather colorful history. I don't see how it won't be able to do that nicely, I hope.

Edgy MD
Oct 09 2014 06:21 AM
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That photo is kewl, but somehow the stadium exterior changes in time but the cars remain the same.

SteveJRogers
Oct 09 2014 10:20 AM
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Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.

Edgy MD
Oct 09 2014 10:34 AM
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For important homers that don't quite measure up to deserving a spot, you can just list them all on/around the apple.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 09 2014 10:35 AM
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SteveJRogers wrote:
Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.


Brilliant!

Zvon
Oct 09 2014 03:58 PM
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Mets Guy in Michigan wrote:
SteveJRogers wrote:
Seaver bowing on the mound after his number was retired.


Brilliant!

Agreed.

I don't even have the apple in there yet. Gah! Apples gotta be in there.

Crowd still going in. The 3 portrait look. Stadiums are tests subject to change- trying different things to portray the differences over the yrs--this would be the look without the outer shell extension I mentioned, which would add a lot of additional space to the bottom. If I went that route, all but the football Shea could be dropped.


The original is 4 times this size, So you can read the text. The Stork bubble is just a test and might not end up in that spot.

Zvon
Oct 10 2014 02:21 PM
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Crap...Diamond Vision.. I have to stick that somewhere.

Maybe going with a circa '70's Shea as a base image was a mistake. It's my favorite Shea look, but if I add things like the apple and D-vision where they belong, it just becomes the circa '90s Shea.

Working on scoreboard changes. I'm creating three different (same size) versions of the scoreboard.

Did they really lop off that much of the outer (back)shell when they upgraded in 88 or doth mine eyes deceive me?

I think there were only 3 major scoreboard upgrades (ad's on board not being a factor).
Above is 1964-1988, and then what I call the middle one, 1988-?
And then the final one where they added the Pepsi bottles to the backshell(not pictured). I'll go digging on Baseball fever, but does anyone here know when the switch was from the 1988 upgrade to the final one? I believe one of the major changes in the final was the NY skyline at top changing from white to black.

Zvon
Dec 23 2014 01:31 PM
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The original is 4 times this size, So you can read the text. The Stork bubble is just a test and might not end up in that spot.

V.2

Final version.


This does not have the error corrections that I have been working on, nor the additional info that I've gotten from the fb Shea page(the lists have to be updated). But basically the finished poster will look like this, only giant sized and eligible.

A lot of changes to the original concept. No info bubbles like the Gene Mack works. I kinda threw the Gene Mack tribute angle out the window as the area surrounding Shea grew and filled in. Scraped the cartoon look for actual photos depicting the Shea moments. Still, very much influenced by Mack.

It's very busy (some might prefer version 2), but I wanted to get everything in I could think of. I want to add a note about Strawman hitting the scoreboard (Mo's shot is in there) and a few other little additions.
The image above is 1451x1041. The original is 3540x2540 and if I make prints I plan to make them the same size as the original (app. 4 x 3 ft.). That'll be one bigass poster of Shea :) If there's any interest I'll print and sell a limited amount. I know I want one for my wall, so I'm definitely printing up one at full size.

Edgy MD
Dec 23 2014 01:41 PM
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Sucks not to be able to see a full-size version. Great work.

Also home of The New York Apollo (1980, and possibly 1981).

themetfairy
Dec 23 2014 01:48 PM
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Zvon wrote:

Final version.




Amazin'!

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 23 2014 01:50 PM
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That is looking great!

Edgy MD
Dec 23 2014 01:52 PM
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It will be lamentable oversight if the Mets don't build a giveaway day around that poster.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Dec 23 2014 01:59 PM
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That is absolutely incredible!

LOVE IT!!!

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 23 2014 02:23 PM
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Where do I get one of those?

Zvon
Dec 23 2014 04:12 PM
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Thanks guys :)

I will post an actual size version if you wish, but I'd have to watermark it. I hat doing that.

Merry Christmas!!! (I'm doing all my shopping tonight >< )

d'Kong76
Dec 23 2014 05:28 PM
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I'm speechless! Just wonderful!

Benjamin Grimm
Jan 01 2015 06:50 AM
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I think it's time to lock this thread and let it drift into the archives. Please paste any additional posts in a "Butterball 2015" thread.