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batmagadanleadoff
Sep 09 2013 07:09 PM

I was going to suggest a stand-alone Breaking Bad thread for in-series comments involving the final shows, leaving this one to general TV talk lest any spoilers sneak through to unsuspecting readers who haven't gotten around to the latest episode yet.




Breaking Bad Season 5, Episode 13 Recap: A Gut-Wrenching Showdown in 'To'hajiilee'
By Andy Greenwald on September 9, 2013 10:07 AM ET



There's a certain type of silence that can be excruciating. You know what I'm talking about. You've all not heard it: Squirming in the dentist's chair, anticipating the drill. A baby's face the second before the tears arrive. The terrifying space between someone hitting play and a Lumineers song actually beginning.

It's not a deafening silence, nor a vacuum. Rather, it's inverted; a cup, not a bell. I'm talking about a silence that isn't defined by the lack of sound, but by the awful inevitability of the noise yet to come. It's silence like a threat, a marker that's primed to come due. It's not the silence of the grave. It's the ominous stillness that comes just before.

Director Michelle MacLaren is the John Cage of this malevolent silence, able to wield it as precisely as a pointillist with a paintbrush. And with "To'hajiilee," the final episode of Breaking Bad she'll ever direct, she has painted her masterpiece. Under the unblinking eye of her relentless camera, this was television not as entertainment but as endurance. It was agonizing, nauseating, unbearable. I loved every minute but hated every second. I couldn't wait for it to be over but I never wanted it to end. And I especially never wanted it to end like that.

Still, for a moment, let's focus not on the noise of that ending — of neo-Nazi bullets thunk-thunk-thunking into the sides of cars, of Walter White's shrill, impotent cries, of hope leaking out of this series like air from a punctured balloon — but on the silence. It descended on the episode at around the three-quarter mark, when Walt arrived at the site of his buried treasure, a pathetic pirate in a cerulean button-up. During the drag race out of town, he was as manic as we've ever seen him, as if he'd finally made up for all those years of not sampling his own product. Yet when he cut the engine, the piston-drums of the soundtrack began to fade, replaced by the banal donging of the Chrysler. Walt stepped outside and the noise washed away altogether. He was alone. There was nothing there. Just the soft scuffles of his own feet on desert sand, our own hearts, like his, jackhammering in our throats.

Are there birds? Maybe a few. I'd like to think they're buzzards; better yet a murder of crows. But watch the scene again and it's almost as if you can't hear them; they're temporary interruptions of that awful, awful silence. It's so still out there on the Indian reservation. It's the type of place where only two types of things can happen: terrible things and nothing. I think we all knew which to expect, even before the arrival of Hank's car.

About that: two thoughts. One, Walt is a monster but it's unhelpful and reductive to call him evil. Contrary to what Jesse believes, Walt isn't actually the devil — he's just willing to shake hands with one to consummate a business deal. Ultimately what blinds Walter White is the same thing that dooms him, not to mention the very thing that makes Breaking Bad so fascinating: his own unceasing, unquestioning commitment to himself. (Cue the other W.W.!) In those sick, ticking moments of indecision as Uncle Jack breathed into the phone and Hank yelled into the wind, we saw Walter come up against his own red line: He won't kill family. (Jesse's a gray area, though. He's "like" family. So.)

This is admirable, I guess. And consistent. Destroying people's lives but not actually ending them seems like a tough moral two-step to me but, then again, I've never had even a single barrel full of cash. (It's the same distinction, I think, between killing someone and killing someone with "no suffering, no fear." I mean, tell yourself what you want, but you're still killing someone.) So bully for Walt for calling off the Nazis — though I don't think for a minute any of us believed they were so easily mollified. History has demonstrated that they aren't the type of people who like to take "no" for an answer. But what I was saying was this: Just because he tried to do the right thing by Hank when it counted, it doesn't mean Walt's not still a monster. After all, Godzilla's ultimate intentions are kind of secondary. He can still knock over half of Tokyo just by turning around.

So the second thought: Hank got his hero moment. He got the villain in cuffs. Walter, beaten, broken down — coughing again, as the Heisenberg body armor weakened, allowing the disease to sink in — shuffling in a Christ pose. (Not an accident. In his mind, no one will ever appreciate the majesty of his sacrifice.) In the breathless moment of Walt's approach, I think Jesse really expected his former teacher to sprout cloven hooves and horns. But no, he was defeated. Shamed. Shackled. Spit upon and then locked in the backseat of a car like a particularly truculent child. "He's clean," said Gomez after searching the man he and Hank had spent the better part of five seasons hunting. It was the opposite of true, but I wonder if it was nice for Walter to hear, to maybe have a chance to believe in his own righteousness for at least a few moments more.

This was when the quiet really started to get to me. It was high noon at the Not OK Corral, but the lawman and the crook were both still breathing. The standoff had stood down. This couldn't last, of course. But before the bullets, Vince Gilligan (and episode writer George Mastras) had to twist the knife. The phone call between Hank and Marie was cruel and unusual punishment. In the first season, these two were at best comic relief, at worst a purple-and-racism-streaked waste of time. But one of the many cumulative triumphs of this impeccably constructed series has been the way the Schraders have been revealed to be a truly loving — if highly specific — partnership. She pushes him. He pushes her buttons. But their devotion to each other is real and earned and palpable.

So to hear this phone call — him staring at his conquest, her staring at a pile of viscera in the trash can — was almost too much to bear. The whole thing was so fraught, so loaded, so downright McBain-ian in its foreshadowing finality that it inspired me to contribute this piece to the Grantland precap, about how our excitement about the Breaking Bad endgame may have overlooked how agonizing the end might actually be. (Next week's episode is called "Ozymandias," meaning it shares a title with a famous poem about a ruined king and a colossal wreck in the desert. You do the math.)

Look, I was shaking my head in admiration even as I was shaking it in disbelief. It was a particularly ingenious bit of plotting to allow Hank his victory in this way. It gave the show a chance to have its cake and eat hot lead too. But god, it was rough. It's easy to sit here and mock Walt for wanting to walk away from a murderous trade without any blood on his hands. But on some level that's no different from what I wanted, in that weak-kneed moment, from Breaking Bad. To wit, here are my notes, unedited, taken as I watched the phone call for the first time:

"Things gonna be a little rough for the next couple weeks but they'll get better."

PLEASE don't do this!!!!!

Marie crying
"I'm much better now"
I gotta go, may be awhile before I get home
I love you.
I love you too.

Oh god.

Oh god.

Wait, I'm getting worked up again. I can hear the silence that announced the arrival of Uncle Jack and his unmerry men and it's taking me right back. My stomach is imitating Chekhov's — Chekhov's! — in Badger's Star Trek script, post-transporter mishap. So let's interrupt the inevitable by rewinding a bit. There was plenty about this episode to love, some of which I didn't even need to watch from between my fingers. The strange, lovesick politeness of Todd as he runs his fingers over Lydia's lingering lipstick stain. The brilliant soft-rock choices sprinkled through the opening — "She Blinded Me With Science" as a ringtone; "Oh Sherrie" playing just before that — that functioned like white (very white) noise, masking the deathly quiet still to come. Skyler teaching Walter Jr. the importance of branding at the car wash, just moments after we heard, yet again, the importance of the blue color in the meth. Hank and Jesse's double whammy of successful bluffs. Saul unraveling beneath his well-maintained billboard. That so much should come down to Huell.

Oh, and then there was the surprise return of Andrea and Brock. This was a terrifying bit of misdirection, one that caused me to forget nearly all the breakfast jokes I had planned for the week. (Although I'd like to think Walt never actually felt remorse over poisoning the kid until he saw him shoveling in Froot Loops like they contained the antidote. Something something cereal killer.) I like to credit Gilligan for the way no characters are ever wasted (again, look at how much hinged on Huell!), but Andrea and Brock's presence here made me look at it a different way: No one touched by Walter White remains unmarked. It would have been awful if Hank hadn't intercepted Andrea's call and the Nazi bloodbath had been served up to her front door. But it wouldn't have been all that surprising.

When the final shootout actually did arrive, well, that wasn't so surprising, either. Just like the last time gunmen came for Hank, someone tried to give him at least a minute to prepare. But what good's a minute, after all these years? Or in the face of all those guns? The camera pushed violently into the faces of all the characters: Walt screaming at Jack to stop, Jack showing no intention of stopping. (This wasn't justice as Agent Schrader intended it, but it was poetic for Walt: forced to watch, powerlessly, as his own worst-laid plans exploded in front of him.) Hank not flinching. Jesse ever so slowly unlocking the passenger-side door …

And then it was quiet again. So, so quiet. As the sound stopped and the trigger fingers itched, MacLaren built a buzz saw of tension and agony out of nothing but images and quick cuts. She's the most kinetic, expressionistic director of action I've seen since Kathryn Bigelow — that they both are women may be a coincidence, but it's an awesome one. If Alan Taylor can parlay a few episodes of Game of Thrones into a new career as Hollywood's go-to guy for big-budget spectacle, then MacLaren should be turning down those scripts before he even sees them. It seems unfair that someone else should have the honor of finishing a firefight she started — though Rian Johnson, arguably the show's second-best director, is a pretty good backup plan — but cutting to black, mid–heart attack, is actually a pretty appropriate way for MacLaren to go out.

Breaking Bad has never shied away from cliff-hangers, of course, but this was something else. This was a fingernail scrabbling for purchase on a sheer drop. We don't know for a fact that Hank and Gomez are dead, that Walt is now a prisoner of Uncle Jack, cooking meth to keep the same thing from happening to his goose. But we don't not know it, either. One of the things that everyone loves so much about Breaking Bad is the way it doesn't make us wait too long for the things it promises; instead of stalling, it sends the biggest scenes hurtling at us with the subtlety and velocity of a freight train: Hank finding out the truth in one episode, Hank punching Walt in the face an hour later.

But what about the scenes we don't want? The deaths of old friends. The ruination of lives. And, worst of all, the final showing of cards. There are only three episodes left now, and with every one of them that airs there is less and less uncertainty for Heisenberg and his family. That means less to dread, sure, but in Breaking Bad terms that just means there is less to look forward to.

No. Just this once, I'm grateful for ignorance. Better to take a moment out in the desert, in To'hajiilee. Better to live in this gaping, hideous silence. Because it beats the hell out of the alternative.


http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood ... tohajiilee

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 09 2013 07:43 PM
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Next week is also the Rian Johnson (Brick, Looper, and previous BB episodes "Fly" and "Fifty-One")-directed episode of this season ("Ozymandias"). So... I'm guessing Gomie will have one artfully-framed, fisheye-lensed death rattle.

I have no idea why, but I think Hank makes it out in some way, shape, or possibly-highly-degraded form... at least through the finale.

Dead-eyed Todd, I suspect, will outlive us all.

TransMonk
Sep 10 2013 07:24 AM
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Got caught up on the DVR.

Damn, this show is pretty good.

soupcan
Sep 10 2013 08:35 AM
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I think that Gomez dies, Hank is injured but runs into the desert where he is left to fend for himself.

Walt begs Uncle Jack not to kill Jesse and instead Walt and Jesse are forced to team up again to cook for him.

Centerfield
Sep 10 2013 11:35 AM
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Gomey is gone. Without a question.

G-Fafif
Sep 10 2013 12:14 PM
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Saw a fan and a Fan Photo guy who each looked quite a bit like Heisenberg from the side, sans hat. WW could easily hide out in Citi Field in September and not be noticed by authorities.

Ashie62
Sep 10 2013 02:01 PM
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Gomez got hit.

Tough call with the cold ending.

Would they need Hank to get Walts handcuffs off....

Three to go...

Valadius
Sep 11 2013 03:12 PM
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Three episodes left:

"Ozymandias" - the empire has crumbled
"Granite State" - Walt in New Hampshire
"Felina" - The End

Ashie62
Sep 11 2013 06:57 PM
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Our favorite lawyer, Saul Goldman is getting a spinoff starting with a prequell...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 11 2013 09:02 PM
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I heard they were working on that.

As a former Mr. Show obsessive, I'm of the that-would-be-fantastic camp.

Frayed Knot
Sep 11 2013 09:06 PM
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Saul is a great character, but I tend to be very wary about sequels & spinoffs and sometimes great side characters make pretty lousy lead ones.
So color me cautious at best on that one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 11 2013 09:09 PM
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Best TV lawyer since Lionel Hutz (I'd have watched the crap out of a Lionel Hutz spinoff).

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 11 2013 09:36 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Our favorite lawyer, Saul Goldman is getting a spinoff starting with a prequell...


If it happens, and it is a prequel, I suppose that means no appearances from any of the current Breaking Bad characters - including Jesse, Badger and Skinny Pete.

TransMonk
Sep 12 2013 07:07 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
As a former Mr. Show obsessive, I'm of the that-would-be-fantastic camp.

This.

TransMonk
Sep 12 2013 07:28 AM
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[youtube:tfer2ui7]9nWjNgV_6yc[/youtube:tfer2ui7]

soupcan
Sep 12 2013 07:28 AM
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Confirmed.



‘Breaking Bad’ spinoff confirmed



By Michael Starr

September 11, 2013 | 7:29pm


The comb-over lives.

Sketchy “Breaking Bad” lawyer Saul Goodman is getting his own show.

AMC says it will produce a prequel to “Breaking Bad” called “Better Call Saul,” which will center around the “evolution” of the oily, follically challenged lawyer played by Bob Odenkirk.

Word of the show had circulated over the summer when “BB” creator Vince Gilligan first floated the idea.

The prequel (no airdate yet) will cover Saul’s life before he met “BB” meth chef Walter White (Bryan Cranston), who’s morphed from a milquetoast fighting terminal cancer to a cold, calculating killer — aided and abetted in his life of crime by the corrupt. sleazy Goodman.

(The show’s title comes from Goodman’s catchphrase, “Better Call Saul!,” seen on TV ads and billboards in and around the show’s Albuquerque, NM locale.)

The prequel’s timing is fortuitous. With only three episodes of “Breaking Bad” left before the show ends its five-season run, Saul’s ultimate fate remains in question.

But that won’t really matter, since the spinoff will be set in an earlier time.

Odenkirk, 50, is a familiar TV face, starring for four seasons on HBO’s “Mr. Show With Bob and David” along with Dave Cross (Tobias Funke on “Arrested Development”). He also appeared on HBO’s ’90s cult hit “The Larry Sanders Show,” which starred Garry Shandling, and was a writer for “Saturday Night Live” from 1987-1991.

“Better Call Saul” marks Odenkirk’s first series starring role.

The “Breaking Bad” series finale airs Sept. 29.

soupcan
Sep 12 2013 10:18 AM
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Golf clap..!

[youtube:126l0kdm]duKL2dAJN6I[/youtube:126l0kdm]

Frayed Knot
Sep 12 2013 11:02 AM
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Seeing Bryan Cranston in his supporting role in Argo over the last few days as that movie starts to hit the cable rotation, he barely looks like the same human being sans shaved head, goatee, and crazy look in his eyes.

Centerfield
Sep 13 2013 07:21 AM
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It is criminal to make us wait a week to see what happened in that gunfight.

soupcan
Sep 15 2013 08:14 PM
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Yeah well it was sure fucking worth it!

Frayed Knot
Sep 15 2013 08:41 PM
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OH - EM - GEE

G-Fafif
Sep 15 2013 09:06 PM
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If you were to adapt Game 6 of the 2011 World Series as a scripted drama and lost the baseball, it would be Episode 6 of 2013 Breaking Bad.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 15 2013 09:12 PM
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FU, Walt.

Ashie62
Sep 15 2013 09:59 PM
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That was insane...It only took Jr. five yearsto get it....

I felt like I was watching Fatal Attraction there in the kitchen.

Frayed Knot
Sep 16 2013 06:37 AM
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Five years of TV time, just a year and change in "real" time.
I thought Jr was going to whack daddy over the head with one of his crutches.

Centerfield
Sep 16 2013 07:30 AM
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I'm going to try to think of something more constructive to say later, but for now, holy fucking crap.

"You're the smartest guy I've ever met, but you're too stupid to see he made up his mind ten minutes ago."

Fucking brilliant.

Frayed Knot
Sep 16 2013 07:48 AM
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Yeah, you didn't want to see Hank get it but, as that scene developed, no other ending would have been believable.

Centerfield
Sep 16 2013 07:49 AM
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If I remember the scene correctly, I think Uncle Jack pulls the trigger before Hank can even finish saying "Do what you gotta do."

Tragic but perfect.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 16 2013 11:10 AM
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When I logged onto the CPF forum yesterday, I created a poll in this thread asking members to guess what happens to Walt's stash of $$ buried in those barrels in the desert. As I was finishing up the post, my browser crashed. When my browser re-loaded, the draft of that post was gone. I wasn't in the mood to retype it -- so I didn't.

Ozymandias was one of the best TV episodes I've ever seen. [Spoiler Alert] I was uncomfortably tense throughout most of the episode, and annoyed with all of the characters. They were all behaving against their own interests and in ways I thought made little sense. Why couldn't Hank come to some compromise with Walt? He could've lived the rest of his life in financial comfort. How could Skyler let herself be talked into telling Walt Jr. everything? Why did Jr. turn on his dad so quickly? Why was everyone fucking up Walt's plans? Including Walt. What did Walt think would come from snatching Holly? And then it dawned on me after the episode that that's what people do. They do crazy uncharacteristic things. You can't account for them and you can't control them. You can't make plans around what you think they're gonna do. They're unpredictable. We're unpredictable.

soupcan
Sep 16 2013 12:41 PM
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This last season is the best last season of any series I've ever watched. I'm fairly certain I won't be left imagining 'whatever happened to...?'

I'm sitting there watching the scene where Walt is on the phone to Skyler and I'm thinking 'wow, he's completely lost it. He's done, he's gone mad.' Then I realized that he was protecting Skyler. He knew the cops were listening and made it seem like she was under constant threat from him should she ever say anything.

Gomez, dead. Hank, dead and who's the bitch now, Jessie?

Just great. Bravo, bravo, bravo.

TransMonk
Sep 16 2013 04:50 PM
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I stayed away from this thread all day until I could watch this evening.

Damn. This has to be the best TV show of all time.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 16 2013 06:01 PM
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Hey, you guys, at least Jesse's alive!

batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Ozymandias was one of the best TV episodes I've ever seen. [Spoiler Alert] I was uncomfortably tense throughout most of the episode, and annoyed with all of the characters. They were all behaving against their own interests and in ways I thought made little sense. Why couldn't Hank come to some compromise with Walt? He could've lived the rest of his life in financial comfort. How could Skyler let herself be talked into telling Walt Jr. everything? Why did Jr. turn on his dad so quickly? Why was everyone fucking up Walt's plans? Including Walt. What did Walt think would come from snatching Holly? And then it dawned on me after the episode that that's what people do. They do crazy uncharacteristic things. You can't account for them and you can't control them. You can't make plans around what you think they're gonna do. They're unpredictable. We're unpredictable.


This, to a tee. I still feel a little hollowed-out inside thinking about it all, 24 hours later. My God, just the layers in that phone call scene, conveyed with faces and pauses...

Frayed Knot
Sep 20 2013 08:35 PM
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The final two episodes of BB will be 75 minutes each.
Make sure your recording devices are aware of this.

Frayed Knot
Sep 22 2013 09:00 PM
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I was thinking recently that one of the great things about the show is that every scene and character in the script has been in there for a purpose; not always immediately, but eventually.
Then I thought back to the back story of the 'Gray Matter' company and his early partners there, a subplot which was introduced real early on back when financing the cancer treatment was an issue but then was quickly dropped and never mentioned again except for the brief scene years (TV years anyway) later where Walt told the story so as to justify to Jesse how having more money than he ever set out to get via the meth business wasn't no longer enough and how a major driving force for him was about not wanting to give up the empire he had built after his first shot at one had eluded him years earlier.
Well now it seems that the 'Gray Matter' folks have not only been dragged back into things but are to be once again fuel for Walt's (final?) actions.

Still seems like there are a lot of loose ends to tie up in just 75 (really more like 60) minutes. For all the action in last week's episode (the last few really) this one was surprisingly more of a transition show setting things up for the finale.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 22 2013 10:19 PM
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We already know that Walt breaks into his abandoned, boarded up and probably foreclosed home in search of the ricin.

Ha. There was Walt with barrelful of tax free millions, more money than anyone could ever reasonably need, yet living in a dimly lit cabin in the middle of nowhere and without basic VHF television.

Centerfield
Sep 23 2013 10:41 AM
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This show is just brutal. Poor Brock. That poor kid. Andrea's death us another example of the show doing exactly what it said it would (the Nazis said they would kill her if Jesse tried anything) but being blown away when it happened anyway.

I would have expected a hysterical Marie following Hank's death. This shocked, calm Marie is even more tragic.

I know that everyone is pumped up for the finale, and I definitely am too, but in a way, I feel like this week's show just kind of wrapped up the story for me. Walter White is done. His family is in ruins. Jesse's fate is crueller than death. Saul is gone, Huell is gone. Gus, Mike and Hank are dead. It almost doesn't matter if Walter comes back and shoots the Nazis, or even Gretchen and Elliot. This tragic storyline has played out.

Unless they blow us away next week with a surprise no one is anticipating.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 23 2013 05:11 PM
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Jane, Mike, Hank... they all felt earned AND inevitable. But good Lord, that Andrea shooting... that nauseated me more than a little. Jesus, I'll be seeing Jesse Plemons-- fantastic casting choice, by the way, going the sociopath-with-an-open-featured-babyface route-- occasionally in nightmares for the next few years, I think.

And is Huell gone, or is he still waiting in that hotel room?

TransMonk
Sep 23 2013 05:28 PM
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Robert Forster? Wow!

I'm really sad that this show is ending.

Ashie62
Sep 23 2013 06:03 PM
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Walt left a traceable phone in the bar..I'm guessing he is headed to New Mexico and will get the ricin cigarette to foil the nazis. Walt then sacrifices himself and Jesse goes on alone with his son.

The 80 million dollars will end up free and clear in unlikely hands...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 23 2013 08:38 PM
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Yeah I think Huell is still locked in a safehouse, yes?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 23 2013 09:19 PM
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[youtube:hs3etmqu]53j4vQ8Un0k[/youtube:hs3etmqu]

Frayed Knot
Sep 24 2013 06:49 AM
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Who the hell:
a) thinks something like that up?
and
b) has the time and the access to enough clips to put it together?

I'm not sure whether to applaud the guy for a job well done or direct him towards some professional help.

soupcan
Sep 25 2013 07:44 AM
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Love it. Stealing it.

Thanks.

Frayed Knot
Sep 25 2013 07:35 PM
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AMC is doing a Breaking Bad-a-thon starting at 8 PM tonight virtually non-stop through Sunday at 9, pausing only in the early AM hours for infomercials.
Not that I have any intention of watching all of them but I am recording the first two just for a refresher course on how this all started.

Centerfield
Sep 26 2013 07:10 AM
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I watched an episode from Season 1 last night. It's the one where Jesse moves Emilio from the RV to the bathtub, only to be interrupted by Skyler. She tells him to stop selling Walt pot. Then it cuts to the scene where the acid burns through the tub and through the floor.

Amazing how lighthearted the show used to be to where it is now.

TransMonk
Sep 26 2013 12:22 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Amazing how lighthearted the show used to be to where it is now.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/2 ... 90918.html

Frayed Knot
Sep 26 2013 12:50 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Amazing how lighthearted the show used to be to where it is now.


I watched episodes 1 & 2 last night (the scene you described was from #2) and found myself chuckling on several occasions.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Sep 30 2013 06:01 AM
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I don't know if there's ever been a show that bowed out as satisfyingly and at the top of its game like that. Made the Sopranos finale look like shit, and its overall tightness was a huge advantage over that show. I in fact would rate BB as the best overall in this new Golden Era for episodic TV drama we're all experiencing these days.

1. Breaking Bad
2. The Wire (seasons 2 and 5 bring this one down)
3. Sopranos (far too much ambiguity and a wider range of good/bad episodes. Also dragged on too long in retrospect)

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I had no doubt Walt can and would build that machine, but mighty good fortune I suppose that the meeting took place exactly where it did. Did Walt know the layout?

Frayed Knot
Sep 30 2013 06:22 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I had no doubt Walt can and would build that machine, but mighty good fortune I suppose that the meeting took place exactly where it did. Did Walt know the layout?


He had met with them before on that compound, right?
When the guy riding shotgun pointed out the specific house where the others were, Walt then parked the car in a way that would serve its ultimate purpose despite being told to park it elsewhere.
Was the whole thing still too perfect and too dependent on chance? Yeah probably, but no more so than the myriad of other times (including that scene right there) when someone could have put a bullet into Walt's head before he ever got the chance to hatch his latest escape/revenge plot.



"I did it for me. I was good at it and I liked it. I was really .... I felt alive"

soupcan
Sep 30 2013 07:26 AM
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Loved how Walt took out Uncle Jack the same way Jack took out Hank - without letting him finish his sentence.

Todd's death - great, Lydia's death - great.

I read somewhere that Gilligan said that at the end of the series each main character would get exactly what they deserved. With the exception of Hank, I think that was true.

Frayed Knot
Sep 30 2013 07:31 AM
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Jesse had been looking to get at Todd ever since the kid on the dirt bike thing.

TransMonk
Sep 30 2013 07:31 AM
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"All the things I did, I did it for me, I liked it, I was good at it, I was alive" - Perfect.

I was halfway hoping when he picked up the mask at the end that the cops wouldn't show up and that he would do one more cook.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 09:08 AM
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I couldn't figure out -- until I watched Felina a second time -- why Uncle Jack wanted to kill Walter White in the first place. I kept on asking myself why then did Uncle Jack let Walt leave the desert alive, and with a barrel full of millions, if he later wanted him dead. What changed? But I figured it out. It's in Felina. I missed the clue the first time around.

Frayed Knot
Sep 30 2013 10:03 AM
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Ashie62
Sep 30 2013 03:43 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
I couldn't figure out -- until I watched Felina a second time -- why Uncle Jack wanted to kill Walter White in the first place. I kept on asking myself why then did Uncle Jack let Walt leave the desert alive, and with a barrel full of millions, if he later wanted him dead. What changed? But I figured it out. It's in Felina. I missed the clue the first time around.



Same here. I kinda knew he was mortally wounded but....

Centerfield
Sep 30 2013 04:33 PM
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Why? Weren't they just following Lydia's orders?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 30 2013 05:18 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
"All the things I did, I did it for me, I liked it, I was good at it, I was alive" - Perfect.

I was halfway hoping when he picked up the mask at the end that the cops wouldn't show up and that he would do one more cook.


Followed by, say, a triumphant, spleen-blood-soaked fist pump freeze-frame, and Animal House-style captions ("Huell-- Status Unknown")?

Beautiful, tidy, stuck landing, tying up all vital loose ends in a way that felt inevitable. Though... "good break" or no, it doesn't quite seem such a happy ending for Jesse as a grudgingly-better-than-the-other-alternatives one, does it?

Ashie62
Sep 30 2013 06:11 PM
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I was hoping Walt and Jesse would hug...

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:16 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
TransMonk wrote:
"All the things I did, I did it for me, I liked it, I was good at it, I was alive" - Perfect.

I was halfway hoping when he picked up the mask at the end that the cops wouldn't show up and that he would do one more cook.


Followed by, say, a triumphant, spleen-blood-soaked fist pump freeze-frame, and Animal House-style captions ("Huell-- Status Unknown")?

Beautiful, tidy, stuck landing, tying up all vital loose ends in a way that felt inevitable. Though... "good break" or no, it doesn't quite seem such a happy ending for Jesse as a grudgingly-better-than-the-other-alternatives one, does it?


Jesse probably knows where the $$ is. Not that $$'s everything. Not even $70M. In hundred dollar bills. Tax-free.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:21 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Why? Weren't they just following Lydia's orders?


Yeah. Lydia put the hit on Walt. It was revealed near the end of the episode, after Uncle Jack's entire gang was killed off. Lydia called Todd on his cellphone (cellphone, not smartphone -- a flip phone -- the scene takes place in 2008) to find out if "it was done". Walt intercepted the call and responded.


[youtube]n4zRe_wvJw8[/youtube]

soupcan
Sep 30 2013 06:30 PM
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Lydia and Todd agreed at the coffee shop after Walt got up and left that they were gonna kill him.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:38 PM
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soupcan wrote:
Lydia and Todd agreed at the coffee shop after Walt got up and left that they were gonna kill him.


That was implied, right? ('Cause I didn't hear any explicit talk about a hit. Unless I missed something).

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 06:47 PM
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Walt and Jesse on this week's cover of The New Yorker.



Hank and Walt as

Spy vs. Spy



Walt and Jesse as Batman & Robin



Walt and Jesse as Bert & Ernie

soupcan
Sep 30 2013 06:47 PM
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It was pretty clear to me that if/when Wt showed up at Uncle Jack's that night, the plan was going to be to kill him.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 30 2013 07:04 PM
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soupcan wrote:
It was pretty clear to me that if/when Wt showed up at Uncle Jack's that night, the plan was going to be to kill him.


It definitely made sense to Lydia. Lydia had no reservations about eliminating anyone she viewed as a threat. Walt knew everything, and was probably America's Most Wanted. If Lydia felt threatened by Skyler, who, as far as Lydia knew, merely observed her, then she had to have been in total fear of Walt cooperating with Law Enforcement if he was caught.

But that hit was never discussed on camera. Right? It was implied. Wasn't it? Or did I miss something?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Sep 30 2013 08:44 PM
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"Todd, please. Don't make me walk you through this. Jesus, did you look at him? You'd be doing him a favor."

I highly doubt Jesse has any idea where the money is (Uncle Jack talks in his sleep? Overshares?), or cares, really.

Thinking more about the whole thing... is Walt's redemption-- assuring Junior's inheritance, self-awareness with Skyler, saving Jesse-- a little... unearned? Or does it just feel that way, since it's actually been months since New Hampshire happened? Should this series have ended with the desolation of Granite State?

Frayed Knot
Sep 30 2013 09:50 PM
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[youtube]TkA7xQb6uPk[/youtube]


Guess I got what I deserve
Kept you waiting there, too long my love
All that time, without a word
Didn't know you'd think, that I'd forget, or I'd regret
The special love I have for you
My baby blue

Frayed Knot
Oct 01 2013 07:10 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
I highly doubt Jesse has any idea where the money is (Uncle Jack talks in his sleep? Overshares?), or cares, really.


The tossing the money out the car window thing of a few weeks back indicates he doesn't care all that much -- although I was kind of hoping that Walt had kept a token 100K or so with him in the car to toss to Jesse as a kind of an apology/living and running money.



Thinking more about the whole thing... is Walt's redemption-- assuring Junior's inheritance, self-awareness with Skyler, saving Jesse-- a little... unearned? Or does it just feel that way, since it's actually been months since New Hampshire happened? Should this series have ended with the desolation of Granite State?


Of course Walt was about to let it end at that New Hampshire bar until the chance viewing of the Schwartz's on the bar TV.
My first reaction to that was that I thought he was just so pissed at them both for his decision (forced or otherwise) to get out of the fledgling company years earlier and for their denial of his role at the start-up which by their claim, whether actual or just for present day pr purposes, that he contributed little more than the name, that they simply joined the Nazi crew on the list of those with which he wanted to settle a score. But as the final episode unfolded it made clear that his motivation wasn't revenge on them but rather that he saw them as a channel through which to put the remaining money towards its original purpose.

Centerfield
Oct 01 2013 09:10 AM
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I've thought about it, and you know what? The Nazi scene makes no sense. There is no reason to put the gun in the car and take a chance that it will all go down like that. It leaves too much to chance. He knows that when he goes to visit Uncle Jack, the intent will be to kill him. He has to hope that:

1. They let him drive in.
2. They don't look in the trunk.
3. They have a first floor meeting. (Basement or second floor meeting pretty much kills the plan).
4. Everyone is together and within the gun's range.
5. The bullets can penetrate whatever is there.
6. He gets the chance to activate the gun before they kill him.
7. No one ducks.

It is a dumb plan.

Especially when the alternatives are:

1. Make a big bomb.
2. Shoot them all (in their sleep, surprise them, series of hits, whatever)
3. Poison all of them.
4. Any combination of the above.

All have a higher success rate than the ridiculous plan he hatched. I know it makes for better theater this way, but looking back, this is just silly.

Frayed Knot
Oct 01 2013 09:14 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Walt and Jesse on this week's cover of The New Yorker.




With the role of Jesse being played for Syrian President Assad

Zvon
Oct 06 2013 01:42 PM
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So somehow I was able to get through the week without seeing or hearing two little words together. Walt and dead. I've been with this show since day one and even during the first season was telling friends to watch it. After the best exit ever given a TV villain (Gus), I....I didn't lose interest, I was really interested, I just knew then that there is no way this could end well. I didn't want to see things go south. The shows been way too real to end any other way. A character study that's not afraid to get down and dirty. So I stopped watching at the start of season five. I got one of my brothers heavy into the show and he's been getting on me to catch up, so I did. A little part of me wished that I stayed away, and the last thing I heard was Walt telling Skyler: "We won."

So I watched the last three last night. I could pick at this or that, but the writing has been so brilliant that I'll just finish the ride, get off, and reflect. This is the best slice of life drama ever made for TV.

So, I didn't think it would end well, and it didn't. The last few eps were nightmares. At least Jesse got away, but lets face it, he's fucked up in the head for life.


I hope the Saul spin-off is a comedy.

Did you know that when I first read about Breaking Bad, months before its debut, AMC billed it as a dark comedy?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 07 2013 01:26 PM
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Have you seen any of the initial-run episodes recently? That first season is very much dark comedy. (Shit doesn't start getting real until Tuco at the demolition yard... and then, not really again until Combo/Jane the next year.)

Zvon
Oct 09 2013 01:49 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Have you seen any of the initial-run episodes recently? That first season is very much dark comedy. (Shit doesn't start getting real until Tuco at the demolition yard... and then, not really again until Combo/Jane the next year.)


There was always a chuckle here or there, but in season one, episode 3 (I think it was), maybe 4, when he killed the guy in his basement, I took the word comedy out of the mix. Things got damn real for me right there.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 09 2013 06:17 PM
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Ah, yes. Krazy-8, with the bike lock... I stand corrected.

Even then, though... the tone is different. Think about the tub-melting-Emilio handling, versus, say... the aftermath of the Gale death, or that of the dirtbike kid, Drew.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 30 2013 12:18 PM
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The most ironic use of pop music as soundtrack in a television series.

http://vimeo.com/20124416

TransMonk
Nov 17 2013 09:10 AM
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[youtube:27aek1el]9kZivVxB3vU[/youtube:27aek1el]

themetfairy
Nov 17 2013 09:14 AM
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Derivative, but still fun.

Ashie62
Nov 17 2013 12:45 PM
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I was totally sated by the AMC ending but I have to say this was funny..

Zvon
Nov 17 2013 01:14 PM
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YO B-WORD!
lol,excellent.