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Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Ashie62 Sep 28 2013 12:03 PM

Old eggs in beer gets a two year extension with a third year team option.. Per Rubin/ESPN Press Conference expected Monday.. [url]http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9736366/new-york-mets-manager-terry-collins-nearing-2-year-extension-source-says

G-Fafif Sep 28 2013 12:13 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

The man who held the fort has been asked to continue holding it. Positively inspirational.

metirish Sep 28 2013 12:19 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Not surprised I guess, I really have no idea what the expectations are with this club right now or next season.

TransMonk Sep 28 2013 12:25 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Good for Collins. I'm not sure about expectations either, but he now has the potential to be one of the longest tenured managers in club history without having won more than 77 games in his first three seasons with the team.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 28 2013 12:48 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

In ninth place among Mets managers in games managed: Games Davey Johnson 1012 Bobby Valentine 1003 Joe Torre 709 Gil Hodges 649 Yogi Berra 588 Casey Stengel 582 Willie Randolph 555 Dallas Green 512 Terry Collins 484 Jerry Manuel 417 Wes Westrum 380 Art Howe 323 Bud Harrelson 274 George Bamberger 208 Joe Frazier 207 Jeff Torborg 200 Frank Howard 116 Roy McMillan 53 Salty Parker 11 Mike Cubbage 7 Two more years would bring him into third place, with 810 games. In eighth place in wins. Two more years would bring him, pessimistically, to around 360, which would leave him in third place. Two great years would still leave him in third place. Wins Davey Johnson 595 Bobby Valentine 536 Gil Hodges 339 Willie Randolph 302 Yogi Berra 292 Joe Torre 286 Dallas Green 229 Terry Collins 224 Jerry Manuel 204 Casey Stengel 175 Bud Harrelson 145 Wes Westrum 142 Art Howe 137 Joe Frazier 101 Jeff Torborg 85 George Bamberger 81 Frank Howard 52 Roy McMillan 26 Salty Parker 4 Mike Cubbage 3 He's in seventh place for losses. Two seasons of .500 or less would put him ahead of Joe Torre for second place. Losses Bobby Valentine 467 Joe Torre 420 Davey Johnson 417 Casey Stengel 404 Gil Hodges 309 Yogi Berra 296 Dallas Green 283 Terry Collins 260 Willie Randolph 253 Wes Westrum 237 Jerry Manuel 213 Art Howe 186 Bud Harrelson 129 George Bamberger 127 Jeff Torborg 115 Joe Frazier 106 Frank Howard 64 Roy McMillan 27 Salty Parker 7 Mike Cubbage 4 Winning Pct. (Minimum 200 games managed) Davey Johnson .588 Willie Randolph .544 Bobby Valentine .534 Bud Harrelson .529 Gil Hodges .523 Yogi Berra .497 Jerry Manuel .489 Joe Frazier .488 Terry Collins .463 Dallas Green .447 Jeff Torborg .425 Art Howe .424 Joe Torre .405 George Bamberger .389 Wes Westrum .375 Casey Stengel .302

bmfc1 Sep 28 2013 01:02 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Good for Collins, bad for the Mets. Another year of bunting early and often and more pitching changes because "the book" says so.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 28 2013 01:14 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I think Terry does too many L-R matchups in non-critical situations, but he's not nearly as bad a tactician as bfmc would have us believe. Only two teams in the NL have bunted less than us this year. in 2012 and 2011 we were right in the middle of the league in sac bunts. Jerry and Willie both bunted way more. I am kinda shocked he's coming back all that said. Not because I believe he's incompetent but because I thought we'd want to make a different statement.

bmfc1 Sep 28 2013 01:20 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I don't know who bfmc is jcl. Thanks for the data, really, but to me, he is still an over-manager. I agree w/you about making a statement and Mets management has made a statement by keeping him.

Frayed Knot Sep 28 2013 01:25 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 28 2013 01:30 PM

I agree that the Mets neither bunt early nor often. The Sac Bunts in particular have mainly been late and in close games when one should, it could be argued, be playing for one run--I recall several of our walk-off wins this year were set up by Sac Bs. And those bunts which do come early are usually from those with the ability to bunt for hits (Young, Lagares) and I suspect are doing so on their own (albeit with permission). Glad to see this wasn't announced at 3 in the morning. Not sure the scribes in this town could take another one of those.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Sep 28 2013 01:27 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

bmfc1 wrote: I don't know who bfmc is jcl. Thanks for the data, really, but to me, he is still an over-manager. I agree w/you about making a statement and Mets management has made a statement by keeping him. Big Fuckers Motorcycle Club. Those guys hate Terry.

bmfc1 Sep 28 2013 01:30 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I don't know who bfmc is jcl. Big Fuckers Motorcycle Club. Those guys hate Terry. I want to join.

Ashie62 Sep 28 2013 01:31 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Not terribly surprising.... I did think they might want someone younger...

Zvon Sep 28 2013 01:44 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Glad they took care of this issue.

Fman99 Sep 28 2013 07:39 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I'm fine with this move. The issue with this team hasn't been his management, it's been other stuff.

metsguyinmichigan Sep 28 2013 11:07 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Willie's numbers were better than I expected.

MFS62 Sep 29 2013 07:40 AM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I'll welcome him back as long as he doesn't bring Hudgens with him. Later

bmfc1 Sep 29 2013 09:48 AM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Nope... Hudgens back, everybody will be back!

Gwreck Sep 29 2013 09:55 AM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Willie's numbers were better than I expected. Winning seasons in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Team was one game under .500 when fired in 2008.

vtmet Sep 29 2013 04:51 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

metirish wrote: Not surprised I guess, I really have no idea what the expectations are with this club right now or next season. don't know what anybody else's expectations are, but mine took a nose dive...I like Collins as a "company guy", just don't like his odd ways of managing...from the rumors of guys that could have possibly been available (LaRussa, Gardenhire, Scoscia, etc), I would have preferred to wait to see who fell off the trees...

vtmet Sep 29 2013 04:55 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

MFS62 wrote: I'll welcome him back as long as he doesn't bring Hudgens with him. Hudgens isn't one of TC's guys, he's one of Sandy's guys...and from the sounds of it, his approach is pretty much what Sandy preaches (let pitches go by until you have 2 strikes on you...and then still don't swing because the guy may throw like a little league pitcher that is more likely to throw 4 balls than 3 called strikes...this approach works great for 300 pound gorilla Lucas Duda, who sports a .385 OBP despite hitting .200 with a .300 slugging percentage with no speed on the basepath)...

vtmet Sep 29 2013 05:14 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Fman99 wrote: I'm fine with this move. The issue with this team hasn't been his management, it's been other stuff. I really don't like the way that he uses the neophyte rookies at times; these guys should be getting significant playing time in "lost" seasons...for example: Not saying that den Dekker is ever going to be a star, or that he wasn't struggling but...he's a September callup, who might have had more of a shot this season if it wasn't for the injury...He's had 2 starts since September 17th (Sept 21 and Sept 26) & a grand total of 11 at bats in the past 12 games... Meanwhile, Mike Baxter (who is almost 30 and in pretty much any other organization wouldn't be on a MLB roster unless the team had a ton of injuries), has started 5 of the last 6 games... Is there a logical reason for this? Baxter sucks, and is batting .189 with a .553 OPS for the season...at least den Dekker has an excuse, and maybe even a possible career on a MLB roster...

vtmet Sep 29 2013 05:21 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Games ... Joe Torre 709 ... Willie Randolph 555 Dallas Green 512 Terry Collins 484 Jerry Manuel 417 Wes Westrum 380 Art Howe 323 Bud Harrelson 274 George Bamberger 208 Joe Frazier 207 Jeff Torborg 200 Frank Howard 116 Roy McMillan 53 Salty Parker 11 Mike Cubbage 7 so in otherwords, in only 71 more games, he'll be #2 on the list of clueless managers in terms of games managed by the Mets...and only 226 games until he's number 1 on that list...

G-Fafif Sep 29 2013 05:28 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Press conference tomorrow at noon. Assuming it's for this, not the picking up of Francisco's option.

Edgy MD Sep 29 2013 06:40 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Hadn't realized Francisco had an option.

MFS62 Sep 29 2013 07:03 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

vtmet wrote: MFS62 wrote: I'll welcome him back as long as he doesn't bring Hudgens with him. Hudgens isn't one of TC's guys, he's one of Sandy's guys...and from the sounds of it, his approach is pretty much what Sandy preaches (let pitches go by until you have 2 strikes on you...and then still don't swing because the guy may throw like a little league pitcher that is more likely to throw 4 balls than 3 called strikes...this approach works great for 300 pound gorilla Lucas Duda, who sports a .385 OBP despite hitting .200 with a .300 slugging percentage with no speed on the basepath)... He has done a good job teaching the players to wait until they get a decent pitch to hit. But once they get one they should be able to handle, they don't seem to be able to get hits. Is it the technique? I don't know. But I can't think of one hitter who has gotten better under Hudgens' coaching. Later

Edgy MD Sep 29 2013 07:31 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Depends on what you mean by "under Hudgens' coaching," as what happens on his watch may or may not be attributable to him. But if you look hard enough, there are certainly veterans (Marlon Byrd), rookies (Juan Lagares), and players in between (Cedeno) who have defied their career trajectories offensively after joining the Mets.

Ceetar Sep 29 2013 07:56 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

MFS62 wrote: MFS62 wrote: I'll welcome him back as long as he doesn't bring Hudgens with him. Hudgens isn't one of TC's guys, he's one of Sandy's guys...and from the sounds of it, his approach is pretty much what Sandy preaches (let pitches go by until you have 2 strikes on you...and then still don't swing because the guy may throw like a little league pitcher that is more likely to throw 4 balls than 3 called strikes...this approach works great for 300 pound gorilla Lucas Duda, who sports a .385 OBP despite hitting .200 with a .300 slugging percentage with no speed on the basepath)... He has done a good job teaching the players to wait until they get a decent pitch to hit. But once they get one they should be able to handle, they don't seem to be able to get hits. Is it the technique? I don't know. But I can't think of one hitter who has gotten better under Hudgens' coaching. Later Well, Duda depending on how you look at it. Eric Young Jr. Ronny Cedeno. David Wright, as compared to immediately before. Ike both did and didn't. he had two really bad halves and two really good ones. seems like Hudgens should either get both credit and blame, or none of it. none of it's where I lean. Most of these players are bad. Maybe this philosophy didn't jive with some guys that will never be good at pitch recognition (Nieuwenhuis, Lagares, Murphy?) and are better served expanding the strike zone and just doing what they do. Murphy's got great contact skills, so he manages, but the other two might just not be major league hitters.

d'Kong76 Sep 29 2013 08:02 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I'm cool with him, good luck!

Edgy MD Sep 29 2013 09:45 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I tend to disagree with the notion that Hudgens is an Alderson hire that doesn't have the support of Terry Collins. For one, he pre-dates Alderson's tenure. For two, Terry worked with him in the minors. Lastly, the team has let go of coaches (Oberkfell, Wilson, Debus) during Terry's tenure. It would make little sense that the team would resign him to a fourth and fifth season and still be foisting a batting coach on him that he doesn't stand by. If they are divided all this time, Alderson could have easily resolved that by not renewing Collins' contract yesterday.

Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 11:41 AM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Rising Apple reporting from the news conference. Main takeaways: [list][*]Alderson sees going .500 over the last 100 games as meaningful.[/*:m] [*]End of season and the commitments it represents is a "significant demarcation" for Sandy.[/*:m] [*]Offensively, the team hasn't done the things they've philosophically committed to. Not enough, anyhow.[/*:m] [*]Terry: "We cannot possibly lead the National League in strikeouts without having power…we’ve got some challenges ahead, we know that." (Reality is harsh.)[/*:m] [*]Sandy: Terry had team playing hard through adversity and high turnover.[/*:m][/list:u]

Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 11:41 AM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I don't know if Rising Apple just didn't go with it, but a statement on the coaches would have been nice. Maybe Sandy's quote about commitment to philosophy and/or Terry's statement about strikeouts and lack o' power were in response to questions about coaching.

Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 11:55 AM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Jared Diamond wrote: Alderson on whether the Mets could award a $100 million contract: "That’s more of a strategic question than a resource question." Fantastic. Part answer, part deflection. He'd make a great evil genius.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 30 2013 12:38 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

He's ignoring the distinction between the words "would" and "could".

metirish Sep 30 2013 12:48 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Edgy MD wrote: Alderson on whether the Mets could award a $100 million contract: "That’s more of a strategic question than a resource question." Fantastic. Part answer, part deflection. He'd make a great evil genius. He certainly makes a good asshole.

Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 12:52 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

He's ignoring the distinction between the words "would" and "could". Yeah, that's the genius. He subtly implies that they could, for the right player, but knowing that the media would seize on an explicit statement that they could as a promise that the team would or will (a promise the media would surely hang on him like a millstone), his deflection is slathered in plausible deniability. Frustrating, yes, but no presidential spokesman ever handled the media so well. I have no idea how a guy constructs answers on the spot that are simultaneously honest, evasive, and complex enough that by the time you figure out what he said, he's two questions down the road.

metirish Sep 30 2013 12:54 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

I agree Edgy, not sure if Alderson expected that to be part of his job when he was hired, he has certainly adapted to the role though.

Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 12:56 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Dan Warthan also gets a two-year deal. /ceetar's head explodes

Ceetar Sep 30 2013 01:06 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

Edgy MD wrote: Dan Warthan also gets a two-year deal. /ceetar's head explodes I was expected it. we all know Sandy isn't infallible in his decision making. Edgy MD wrote: Alderson on whether the Mets could award a $100 million contract: "That’s more of a strategic question than a resource question." Fantastic. Part answer, part deflection. He'd make a great evil genius. Puma quotes slightly differently: Mike Puma @NYPost_Mets Alderson on possibility of signing a $100M player: "It's not out of the question, but will we do it? That's more of a strategic question."

Edgy MD Sep 30 2013 01:09 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

A true asshole answer would be, "Well, technically, Daisuke is a $100 million player. Next question."

metirish Sep 30 2013 04:39 PM Re: Terry Collins 2 year extension & option

metirish wrote: Not surprised I guess, I really have no idea what the expectations are with this club right now or next season. Well, now I know, just saw Terry at his presser saying " we have big expectations going into next season, time to put some wins up".