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2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2013 06:48 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 01 2013 11:40 AM

Now that Terry has signed his extension, the current landscape shows only the Nationals, Cubs, and Mariners looking for pilots although that could certainly change as others are coming up on the end of deals and/or have options that need to be picked up. - The Cubs, yesterday, fired Dale Sveum with a year left on his deal, a move thought by some to clear the way for a run at Illinois native/Northwestern alum and soon-to-be FA Joe Girardi. Girardi has talked about wanting to solidify his status sooner rather than later. - Eric Wedge, citing various unspecified differences with the front office, chose to walk away rather than even talk about a new deal. Not that the front office had offered him one but he claims that he was uninterested even if they had. - and Davey Johnson had agreed prior to the season starting, that 2013 would be his final one for the Nationals. Or maybe he didn't and the expiration date was forced on him; Davey seems to alternate between saying this was his idea and implying that it wasn't. - Other semi-recent updates include Buck Showalter being extended through 2018 in Baltimore, Ron Gardenhire getting a two-year extension from the Twins, and Ryne Sandberg having the interim tag removed in Philly TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2013 New two-year deal thru 2015 + option BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2013 Has 2014 Option PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg Interim Given permanent job thru 2016 NATIONALS Davey Johnson 2013 Will not return MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2013 Has option for 2014 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2014 CUBS Dale Sveum 2014 Fired - Sept '13 REDS Dusty Baker 2014 BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2014 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2013 Has option for 2014 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2013 Has options for 2014 & 15 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2013 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2013 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2014 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Jim Leyland 2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2013 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2013 Extended thru 2015 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 MARINERS Eric Wedge 2013 Will not return ASTROS Bo Porter 2013 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 07:46 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Davey really seemed to have lost his edge. Probably a healthier human being, but a less competitive manager. That, along with Jeffrey Maier, might have cost him the Hall of Fame. It seems to me the Dave we knew from the Mets, if he gave in on that plan to limit Strasburg's innings last year, would have had the foresight to shut him down earlier and bring him back with a week and a half to go in the season, and have him available for the playoffs. Reports this morning quote Jon Daniels has said there is "not a question" of bringing Ron Washington back. You'd figure he'd let Wash dangle a bit. A lot of folks questioning how he came to the decision to use Nelson Cruz at DH in the play-in game, appearing in his first game after serving his 50-game suspension.

seawolf17 Oct 01 2013 08:39 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I didn't see anyone question using Cruz; I think you had to use him. His career numbers against Price were excellent, and the rest of that lineup doesn't exactly scare you.

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2013 08:53 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

The Cruz question comes up as a contrast to the Giants choosing NOT to re-employ Melky Cabrera when his suspension ran out. The Giants, of course, won the WS without him. The Indians started using Jhonny Peralta about a week ago (although not usually at SS) and presumably will do so in however long their playoff run lasts.

Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 08:57 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

seawolf17 wrote: I didn't see anyone question using Cruz; I think you had to use him. His career numbers against Price were excellent, and the rest of that lineup doesn't exactly scare you. I'm sorry. Folks are questioning the deployment of Ted Cruz. My mistake.

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2013 09:02 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

New (non-recycled) names likely to be mentioned for vacant jobs: - Matt Williams -- currently coaching in Arizona - Brad Ausmus -- former catcher, mostly w/Houston. Dartmouth boy. - Jason Giambi -- Yes, really. Colorado interviewed him before hiring Walt Weiss a year ago and his current manager Terry Francona can't stop saying enough good things about him. Won't necessarily be this winter, but some time in the future is looking increasingly likely. - Randy Knorr -- Bench coach and the likely choice for the Nats if they decide to stay in house.

Ceetar Oct 01 2013 09:08 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: The Cruz question comes up as a contrast to the Giants choosing NOT to re-employ Melky Cabrera when his suspension ran out. The Giants, of course, won the WS without him. The Indians started using Jhonny Peralta about a week ago (although not usually at SS) and presumably will do so in however long their playoff run lasts. That was the Tigers. And not only did they play him, they played him in left field, a position he'd never played before even in the minors until I guess a week or two ago.

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2013 09:12 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Yeah, I meant Tigers. I sometimes conflate Jhonny Peralta with Asdrubal Cabrera and I swap their team assignments.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 01 2013 10:57 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I think Girardi's bluffing. No one goes from the MFYs to the Cubs. Even with Theo there.

Frayed Knot Oct 01 2013 11:12 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Oct 01 2013 11:42 AM

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I think Girardi's bluffing. No one goes from the MFYs to the Cubs. Even with Theo there. Well I don't think Girardi himself has said anything even as speculation around Girardi and a potential (and now more than that) Cubs opening has been swirling among the chattering class for months now. But the Chicago area is his home turf and, if one believes that Theo does have the golden touch and/or that the law of averages has got to shine on Chicago's north side at some point, Girardi has to know that the manager that gets them there has a guaranteed statue next to Harry Carey the very next week. Besides, who's to say that he doesn't see the Yanx as a sinking ship right now being run by a couple of silver spoon dunces who not only don't have their father's flair but also don't operate in an era where they can simply spend away their weaknesses.

Centerfield Oct 01 2013 11:35 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

The annual Jim Tracy Thread. Speaking of Jim, didn't realize he was out as the Rockies' manager. Guess he is golfing these days.

vtmet Oct 02 2013 10:57 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I think Girardi's bluffing. No one goes from the MFYs to the Cubs. Even with Theo there. it would be good to see however...I could care less about Girardi and the Cubs, but a good slap in the Yankees face would be nice to see...

vtmet Oct 02 2013 10:57 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I would imagine that Fredi Gonzalez and Mike Matheny are pretty safe in terms of getting new deals from the Braves/Cards...

G-Fafif Oct 04 2013 07:03 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Opening in Cincy where Baker's been fried. Or Dusty's been wiped away. Either way, he gone.

MFS62 Oct 04 2013 08:34 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

G-Fafif wrote: Opening in Cincy where Baker's been fried. Or Dusty's been wiped away. Either way, he gone. I'm going to miss all those disgusting closeup shots of Dusty chewing and spitting sunflower seeds in the dugout. Later

Mets – Willets Point Oct 04 2013 08:35 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

G-Fafif wrote: Opening in Cincy where Baker's been fried. Or Dusty's been wiped away. Either way, he gone. Nothin' lasts forever but the earth and sky.

Vic Sage Oct 04 2013 10:16 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

He's the most successful crappy manager since Joe Torre.

Frayed Knot Oct 04 2013 10:22 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Reds have made the playoffs three out of the last four seasons but have never advanced. Dusty got a two-year extension following last year's debacle when the Reds blew a 2-0 in games lead to SF. You wonder how much this season's WC loss to Pitt played into things. It's one thing to stick too long with a pitcher. Hurdle did so yesterday with Burnett but at least that's just one game in a series. Dusty sitting back while Cueto was melting down in a one-and-done situation is another story. Reports out of Chicago say that the Nats are looking to talk to Girardi, just one day after his discussions with the Yanx. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2013 New two-year deal thru 2015 + option BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2013 Has 2014 Option PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg Interim Given permanent job thru 2016 NATIONALS Davey Johnson 2013 Will not return MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2013 Has option for 2014 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2014 CUBS Dale Sveum 2014 Fired - Sept '13 REDS Dusty Baker 2014 Fired one year into a two-year extension BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2014 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2013 Has option for 2014 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2013 Has options for 2014 & 15 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2013 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2013 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2014 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Jim Leyland 2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2013 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2013 Extended thru 2015 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 MARINERS Eric Wedge 2013 Will not return ASTROS Bo Porter 2013 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2013 10:22 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Vic Sage wrote: He's the most successful crappy manager since Joe Torre. lolololol

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2013 10:25 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

What are the MFYs thinking? Cashman made some remark to the effect of, "We'll make sure we give Joe some $$" but he didn't sound all that enthused, and Joe doesn't seem all that jazzed about staying, at least not as excited as Washington appears to be about hiring him. So where do the MFYs go? Do they try and get Mattingly from LA? They are hard to figure out all of a sudden.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 04 2013 11:03 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: They are hard to figure out all of a sudden. As long as they do something big, stupid, and expensive, I won't complain.

Edgy MD Oct 05 2013 09:24 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

How about if they get Reyes?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 05 2013 09:32 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

To manage?

Zvon Oct 05 2013 08:57 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

MFS62 wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Opening in Cincy where Baker's been fried. Or Dusty's been wiped away. Either way, he gone. I'm going to miss all those disgusting closeup shots of Dusty chewing and spitting sunflower seeds in the dugout. Later Whats the deal with Dusty? He had a year left on that extension so they will be paying him next season regardless. Why do the Reds wanna get rid of him so bad?

Edgy MD Oct 05 2013 09:28 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Cincy limped home this season, losing the last five, before falling to the Pirates on the road in the play-in game. My guess is that when they signed Votto to his big contract, they expected to pay for it with playoff money, and they haven't gotten quite as much as they bargained for. Familiar story. Was for Omar Minaya, anyhow. Maybe they'll make a run at Charlie Manuel.

Zvon Oct 05 2013 09:35 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: Cincy limped home this season, losing the last five, before falling to the Pirates on the road in the play-in game. My guess is that when they signed Votto to his big contract, they expected to pay for it with playoff money, and they haven't gotten quite as much as they bargained for. Familiar story. Was for Omar Minaya, anyhow. Maybe they'll make a run at Charlie Manuel. But look at his managerial record. Or maybe I should before I tell you to. I mean, he's a good manager. They are gonna pay him anyway. They must really dislike him. I hope ol' Charlies back in the game ASAP. Game needs more guys like Charlie.

Edgy MD Oct 06 2013 05:34 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

He's certainly helmed successful teams. But whether that makes him a good manager is debatable. One pennant and no championships in 20 seasons --- that's the column folks tend to look at after a few years (or six) with the guy.

Zvon Oct 06 2013 01:56 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

An article about Dusty in one of the NY rags today. Yep, Dusty butted heads with managment. Funny thing is it looks like the last two things they were at odds about were smart moves by Dusty. Chapman being a closer (Dusty wanted that, they didn't-Chap had a perfect year)and Dusty wanted speed demon Hamilton up on the team and they didn't. Hamilton played a big part in a few stretch wins. From just last week: October 2, 2013 6:00 pm Dusty Baker expected to return to Reds in 2014 by Jack Moore Reds manager Dusty Baker is expected to remain with the squad next season, the Cincinnati Enquirer reports. Baker is signed through 2014. General manager Walt Jocketty said he didn't think Baker's status was in question, so unless owner Bob Castellini gets the itch, don't expect Baker to go anywhere anytime soon. Castellini got the itch alright. Something must have gone down in the interim. Baker managed the Reds to the playoffs three times, including division championships in 2010 and 2012 to go with the 2013 Wild Card. He finished at 509-463 (.524) with the Reds and 0-3 in postseason series. Or maybe the postseason business. But come on, somethings going on here that don't meet the eye. Not that I care.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 06 2013 02:44 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Anonymous sources that just may rhyme with "Musty Taker's Ragent" say that it was about Baker standing up for one of his coaches, then sitting back down on a sword for the guy.

metirish Oct 06 2013 03:22 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Interesting line from the article Rare has someone been criticized so much for guiding an imperfect team to a 90-win season, but Baker became a target. He was a target of some fans, of many sabremetricians. And ultimately, he was a target of Jocketty. of many sabermetricians , not sure if I have ever seen that mentioned before in an article like that, who are these sabremetricians?

Frayed Knot Oct 06 2013 03:52 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Dusty has long been a target of some baseball scribes, and particularly the number-crunching (sabremetric) types, who feel, among other things, that he overplays veteran players at the expense of younger ones.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 09 2013 01:05 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Seeing Tweets that Girardi has signed a four-year extension with the MFYs.

Frayed Knot Oct 09 2013 02:48 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

George King of the NY Post reporting the same. 4 years at $4 mil per. Suggests that the Cubs interest spurred the Yanx to add one year to the deal. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2013 New two-year deal thru 2015 + option BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2013 Has 2014 Option PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg Interim Given permanent job thru 2016 NATIONALS Davey Johnson 2013 Will not return MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2013 Has option for 2014 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2014 CUBS Dale Sveum 2014 Fired - Sept '13 REDS Dusty Baker 2014 Fired one year into a two-year extension BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2014 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2013 Has option for 2014 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2013 Has options for 2014 & 15 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2013 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2013 Re-signed thru 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2014 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Jim Leyland 2013 INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2013 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2013 Extended thru 2015 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 MARINERS Eric Wedge 2013 Will not return ASTROS Bo Porter 2013 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

MFS62 Oct 10 2013 08:13 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

If they want to fire somebody whose poor decisions have decided a lot of games, somebody should fire Angel Hernandez. Just sayin'. Back to topic. Why hasn't Ned Yost been re-upped already? Later

Vic Sage Oct 10 2013 08:37 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 10 2013 08:43 AM

So, according to this chart -- [u:3t219tuc]Those not coming back (with job still open):[/u:3t219tuc] Davey Johnson, Nats - retiring Dusty Baker, Reds - should retire Dale Sveum, Cubs - coaching job Eric Wedge, Sea - ditto [u:3t219tuc]Signed only thru this season (with no new deal or options for next season):[/u:3t219tuc] Jim Leyland, Tigers - he'll be back if he wants to be Walt Weiss, Rockies - organization guy will get more than 1 year Ned Yost, KC - they may not extend him Bo Porter, Astros - what difference does it make? [u:3t219tuc]Team options for 2014 (not yet exercised):[/u:3t219tuc] Fredi Gonzalez, Braves - will be exercised after post-season Mike Metheny, Cards - ditto Don Mattingly, LA - ditto Bud Black, SD - i think they still like him but he's been there a long while now So that looks like 4-7 jobs open for next season. Who are the best current candidates for: Nationals - Reds - Cubs - Mariners - Royals - Astros - Padres -

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 10 2013 08:42 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Chip Hale!

Vic Sage Oct 10 2013 08:47 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

yes, but for which team? I don't know where he has any connections or ties, besides Minny, Oakland, LA, Mets and D-backs. Maybe Seattle, since he was a former PCL manager of the year.

HahnSolo Oct 10 2013 09:25 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I think Porter stays in Houston. How about Joey Cora to the Mariners?

Edgy MD Oct 10 2013 09:48 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Joe McEwing, Future Manager: [list][*]Likes McBunting. (He expands on why.)[/*:m] [*]Dislikes Infield McShifting.[/*:m] [*]Pitch McCounts? He thinks they overdo that.[/*:m] [*]McHunches vs. McNumbers? He favors a compromise approach. He also thinks you need to justify your thinking, which beats most McHunch advocates.[/*:m][/list:u]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 10 2013 10:07 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Royals will probably hire Dusty.

Frayed Knot Oct 10 2013 10:15 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Vic Sage wrote: Who are the best current candidates for: Nationals - Reds - Cubs - Mariners - Royals - Astros - Padres - Matt Williams, currently on the DBacks staff, seems to be getting the most buzz. Could interview and/or fit anywhere I suppose but probably won't take a "bad" job (Houston, Seattle) on the theory that he'll get a good one eventually even if he has to wait a year. Jayson Werth was recently quoted as wanting Cal Ripken to manage the Nats. Not that anyone asked him but it threw the idea out there and now Cal himself isn't batting the idea down. Sure he hasn't managed or even coached anywhere before but he's Cal Fucking Ripken. Is he feuding with Orioles owner Angelos? (is anyone NOT feuding with him?) Will the Nats hire him just to stick it to Angelos? Will GM Mike Rizzo be willing to share the headlines with such a strong local presence as Ripken?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 10 2013 11:57 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Joe McEwing, Future Manager: [list][*]Likes McBunting. (He expands on why.)[/*:m] [*]Dislikes Infield McShifting.[/*:m] [*]Pitch McCounts? He thinks they overdo that.[/*:m] [*]McHunches vs. McNumbers? He favors a compromise approach. He also thinks you need to justify your thinking, which beats most McHunch advocates.[/*:m][/list:u] I think I like the idea of a SuperManager.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 10 2013 11:58 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Can he manage against Randy Johnson?

metirish Oct 10 2013 12:00 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Some McNuggets right there from Joe.....clicked on the link but didn't see anything like an interview,

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 10 2013 12:01 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Reasonably well, but not as well as you'd think, maybe.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 10 2013 12:03 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

metirish wrote: Some McNuggets right there from Joe.....clicked on the link but didn't see anything like an interview, It's actually at Fangraphs.

sharpie Oct 10 2013 12:04 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Maybe Cincy talking to Paul O'Neill. Maybe not. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1481353

Vic Sage Oct 10 2013 12:13 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: ...Sure he hasn't managed or even coached anywhere before but he's Cal Fucking Ripken. You gotta do what you gotta do to get the job, i suppose. Hell, its worked pretty well for Mrs. Ripken.

Edgy MD Oct 10 2013 12:37 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: metirish wrote: Some McNuggets right there from Joe.....clicked on the link but didn't see anything like an interview, It's actually at Fangraphs. Yeah, sorry about that. I accidentally included the link to the link. Who needs that?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 21 2013 07:55 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Jim Leland stepping down, Internet reports all at once.

Edgy MD Oct 21 2013 07:56 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Predict that replacement NOW!!!! It's tough, because.... who couldn't manage that team? It's a dumb guy's dream.

Vic Sage Oct 21 2013 08:06 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

get Torre on the phone... STAT!

metirish Oct 21 2013 09:21 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 21 2013 09:30 AM

A few years ago people(me) would have been salivating over Leyland being available....not so much now I think.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 21 2013 09:23 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I'm trying to find the image of Jim Leyland reacting to Prince Fielder's belly flop. I think that captures the exact moment he decided to resign.

Frayed Knot Oct 21 2013 10:06 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2013 New two-year deal thru 2015 + option BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2013 Has 2014 Option PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg Interim Given permanent job thru 2016 NATIONALS Davey Johnson 2013 Will not return MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2013 Has option for 2014 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2014 CUBS Dale Sveum 2014 Fired - Sept '13 REDS Dusty Baker 2014 Fired one year into a two-year extension BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2014 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2013 Has option for 2014 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2013 Has options for 2014 & 15 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2013 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2013 Re-signed thru 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2014 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Jim Leyland 2013 Will not return INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2013 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2013 Extended thru 2015 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 MARINERS Eric Wedge 2013 Will not return ASTROS Bo Porter 2013 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

sharpie Oct 22 2013 07:26 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Reds hire pitching coach Bryan Price as their manager in a two-year deal.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2013 07:38 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

The Price is right, bitch! I don't know much about this guy, he was a lefthanded pitcher but topped out in AA/AAA. The Reds have an awful lot of talent, I think they could easily have been where the Cardinals are now.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2013 07:48 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

You tell me Price + Reds + Pitching + Lefthanded and I get this guy: Had that David Cone thing going --- tough dude with a boyish all-American face. I also associate him with those big letters on the back of the Reds uniforms. Always good to see pitchers get the big chair. Agreed about the Reds talent, and it's not like the Tigers, where their big bats force them to trade off defense. Votto and Bruce are defensive assets. A lot of meh seasons this year from the supporting cast though. Mesaraco, Frazier, Cozart, and Phillips (despite 100 RBI) took turns slumping all year. That's talent!

Edgy MD Oct 22 2013 07:52 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Oh, and Terry Collins is now MLB's oldest manager.

MFS62 Oct 22 2013 08:00 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I'm trying to find the image of Jim Leyland reacting to Prince Fielder's belly flop. I think that captures the exact moment he decided to resign. During his press conference yesterday, he said he made decision after a win in Kansas City back in September. Had breakfast with the GM the next day and told him, but they didn't tell anyone else in the organization until now. Later

Ceetar Oct 22 2013 11:50 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: Oh, and Terry Collins is now MLB's oldest manager. He's also bordering on one of the longest tenured at this point too isn't he? gotta be at least in the front half.

Edgy MD Oct 22 2013 01:04 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I don't see three years or front half as "bordering on longest," but Mike Scoscia has been with the Angels since the end of the last century.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 22 2013 01:24 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

MFS62 wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: I'm trying to find the image of Jim Leyland reacting to Prince Fielder's belly flop. I think that captures the exact moment he decided to resign. During his press conference yesterday, he said he made decision after a win in Kansas City back in September. Had breakfast with the GM the next day and told him, but they didn't tell anyone else in the organization until now. Later Okay, well that's not as funny.

Ceetar Oct 22 2013 01:28 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: I don't see three years or front half as "bordering on longest," but Mike Scoscia has been with the Angels since the end of the last century. I was employing exaggeration. He's firmly in the middle exactly in the NL, though 3 of them have managed the same amount of regular season games and Mattingly took over with two weeks to go. and 7 AL managers, meaning he's 15 of 30.

Frayed Knot Oct 22 2013 02:58 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Dodger brass is making things tough on Mattingly by apparently axing several coaches and assistants who were considered to be "his guys". And in a press conference yesterday Mattingly made it clear that he was happy with the way things were run this year. Sounds like each side is playing a game of chicken. - Will the Dodgers, now that they've swatted him down a peg or two, offer him an extension? - or do they pick up his option and keep him in more of a lame duck status than he was this past year despite the improving record each year he's been there? - and will Mattingly decide to leave without a sign of more backing from upstairs - especially now several other jobs are open? I had totally missed the fact that he's been there three seasons already. One or two sounded right to me.

MFS62 Oct 22 2013 09:30 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

sharpie wrote: Reds hire pitching coach Bryan Price as their manager in a two-year deal. Wow! Whoda' thunk it? Somebody in Vegas made a killing on that bet. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 22 2013 09:42 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

From what I read Price was the fave from the start. The Reds made a show of letting folks know they weren't explicitly against considering x-Reds like O'Neill and Larkin and considered pereenial=type candidates like Jim Riggleman, but I think it was Price's gig to lose.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2013 05:53 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Can you name the last guy to get promoted from pitching coach to manager without jumping teams? I can't. Marcel Lachemann? Ray Miller?

HahnSolo Oct 23 2013 07:01 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Did Joe Kerrigan go from PC to manager in Boston? Or was that just an interim thing? Or did it never happen? Looked it up. Kerrigan replaced Jimy Williams in 2001 and managed the last 43 games. He was replaced by Grady Little after the season.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2013 07:17 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Yeah, that's more than I got. Looks like both Lachemann and Miller jumped teams to get the big chair. Miller was the second of Earl Weaver's pitching coaches to become a manager, after George Bamberger. Bud Black also had to jump teams.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 23 2013 07:58 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I know Phil Regan was a pitching coach before managing the Orioles.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 23 2013 07:59 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Word in Michigan is that the Tigers are expected to stay in house to replace Leyland -- LLoyd McClendon is the name heard the most. But Tom Brookens gets mentioned a bunch, too.

Frayed Knot Oct 23 2013 09:04 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Word in Michigan is that the Tigers are expected to stay in house to replace Leyland -- LLoyd McClendon is the name heard the most. But Tom Brookens gets mentioned a bunch, too. You wonder if they'll go short-term with the idea that hometown hero and Michigan native Kirk Gibson could be free from the Arizona desert in a year (although there are options for 2015 & 16) or even if they quietly inquired about prying him loose now.

Edgy MD Oct 23 2013 10:47 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I know Phil Regan was a pitching coach before managing the Orioles. Good one. I checked him out though, and he jumped from pitching coach with the Indians to managing the Orioles. He made a tough jump earlier in his career, going from the college ranks to the pro ranks. When go the college track in baseball, you usually trade upward mobility for career stability.

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 23 2013 10:53 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Edgy MD wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: I know Phil Regan was a pitching coach before managing the Orioles. Good one. I checked him out though, and he jumped from pitching coach with the Indians to managing the Orioles. He made a tough jump earlier in his career, going from the college ranks to the pro ranks. When go the college track in baseball, you usually trade upward mobility for career stability. St. Lucie Mets pitching coach now! Nice guy. We did a live chat with him on the day the Hall of Fame ballots were announced, and I spoke to him a little in St. Lucie this summer.

Edgy MD Oct 25 2013 11:43 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Don Wakamatsu is the new bench coach for the Kansas City Royals. Interesting Factamatsu: Don made nine career starts as a major leaguer, all at catcher, all for the 1991 White Sox, all on days that Charlie Hough was pitching.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2013 11:48 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Sources (originally FOX's Ken Rosenthal) say Matt Williams to manage the Nats. Official announcement could be delayed until after the WS.

seawolf17 Oct 25 2013 12:53 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Tweet earlier said he's a partial owner of the D-Backs; he'd have to relinquish that first.

Frayed Knot Oct 25 2013 02:47 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

How often do you see bench coaches who are part owners? I guess he got that as a going away present as his playing career wound down. Or maybe, as in the case of Lemieux and the Penguins, the team hit a cash crunch and couldn't afford to pay him all the deferred money so gave him piece of the org instead.

Ashie62 Oct 25 2013 08:30 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Williams is official per espn via Fox.. Good pick..

Frayed Knot Oct 26 2013 06:39 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Williams is official per espn via Fox. All ESPN is doing there is agreeing with what they and everyone else read via FOX--which was the source of the story in the first place. But just because ESPN has a habit of taking credit for everything whether they had anything to do with it or not, the act of them "confirming" (read: repeating) someone else's news doesn't make it any more official than it was yesterday. The only point about treating this as not yet official is that the club hasn't announced anything due to the moratorium on outside news during the World Series. I don't think anyone doubts that this is true and that a press conference with terms and details will come sometime next week.

Vic Sage Oct 28 2013 12:06 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Those not coming back (with job still open): Jim Leyland, Tigers - retiring Dale Sveum, Cubs - fired Eric Wedge, Sea - fired Signed only thru this season (with no new deal or options for next season): Ned Yost, KC - got 2-year extension Walt Weiss, Rockies - Organization guy will likely get more than 1 year Bo Porter, Astros - What difference does it make? But probably stays Team options for 2014 (not yet exercised): Fredi Gonzalez, Braves - will likely be exercised after post-season Mike Metheny, Cards - ditto Bud Black, SD - i think they still like him but he's been there a long while now Don Mattingly, LA - They fired his coaches and keep insisting on 1-year deals; i guess they're trying to force him out. Already hired: Reds - Bryan Price (hired) Nationals - Matt Williams (not confirmed) So that looks like 3-6 jobs open for next season. Your remaining candidates for the following? (option not yet picked up): Astros - no word yet Padres - no word yet Dodgers - ? OPEN spots (with rumored candidates so far): Detroit - Lloyd McClendon, Tom Brookens, Tim Wallach, Mel Rojas, Dusty Baker, Manny Acta, Tory Lovullo, Brad Ausmus Cubs -Rick Renteria, AJ Hinch, Eric Wedge, Dave Martinez, Lovullo Mariners - Chip Hale, McClendon, Lovullo ALSO mentioned: Joe McEwing, Joey Cora

batmagadanleadoff Oct 28 2013 12:49 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Are MLB managers' multi-year contracts guaranteed? Maybe some? Why would a manager sign a multi-year contract if the money's not guaranteed and, for sure, the job isn't?

Vic Sage Oct 28 2013 12:53 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

my understanding is that the contracts are guaranteed like any others in baseball (and everywhere else except football), but not any of the option years. That's why they're called "options". So if the manager get fired on a long-term deal, the team still pays him. but i think they have non-compete clauses, too, so if they're fired and being paid by one team, they can't go manage another team in that league. That's why some go into broadcasting until their deals expire.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 28 2013 12:56 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Vic Sage wrote: my understanding is that the contracts are guaranteed, but not any option years. That's why they're called "options". So if the manager get fired on a long-term deal, the team still pays them. I could see the reason why a manager would sign a multi-year contract if the money's guaranteed. Not so if the money isn't guaranteed. Unless there's some signing bonus attached. Not that a bonus would make any sense in MLB where there's no salary cap to circumvent. I know that option's aren't guaranteed - that's why they're optional.

MFS62 Oct 28 2013 09:32 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Ashie62 wrote: Williams is official per espn via Fox.. I almost did a little dance when he retired as a player. Now he'll be managing a team that will give the Mets fits. That guy keeps coming back. Like Herpes. Later

Frayed Knot Nov 01 2013 05:21 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2013 New two-year deal thru 2015 + option BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2013 Has 2014 Option PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg Interim Given permanent job thru 2016 NATIONALS Davey Johnson 2013 Will not return -- Matt Williams hired, length unknown MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2013 Has option for 2014 PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2014 CUBS Dale Sveum 2014 Fired - Sept '13 REDS Dusty Baker 2014 Fired 1-yr into a 2-yr ext. -- Hired Bryan Price on 2-yr deal BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2014 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2013 Has option for 2014 GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2013 Has options for 2014 & 15 DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2013 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2013 Re-signed thru 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2014 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Jim Leyland 2013 Will not return / Brad Ausmus is reported replacement INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2013 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2013 Extended thru 2015 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 MARINERS Eric Wedge 2013 Will not return ASTROS Bo Porter 2013 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2013 08:07 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Ausmus is official in Tigertown. As I recall it, Ausmus was the kind of player that today's sophisticated and arrogant fans hated -- a poor offensive player who fashioned a lengthy career out of respect for his "intangibles." Will be, uh, interesting to see how he's received as a decisionmaker.

MFS62 Nov 05 2013 09:31 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

I heard Lloyd McClendon to the Mariners. Any confirmation? Later

G-Fafif Nov 06 2013 08:05 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Verducci with interesting trend piece regarding who gets hired and why.

Frayed Knot Nov 06 2013 01:06 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Some of those options on various manager contracts had already been picked up prior to this past season or were triggered during it. So now only the Cubs now remain manager-less for 2014. Padres bench coach Rich Renteria is reportedly the favorite. TEAM MANAGER SIGNED THRU STATUS METS Terry Collins 2013 New two-year deal thru 2015 + option BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez 2013 Has 2014 Option - Option Picked Up PHILLIES Ryne Sandberg Interim Given permanent job thru 2016 NATIONALS Davey Johnson 2013 Will not return -- Matt Williams hired, Terms = ??? MARLINS Mike Redmond 2015 CARDINALS Mike Matheny 2013 Has option for 2014 - Option picked up PIRATES Clint Hurdle 2014 CUBS Dale Sveum 2014 Fired - Sept '13 REDS Dusty Baker 2014 Fired 1-yr into a 2-yr ext. -- Hired Bryan Price on 2-yr deal BREWERS Ron Roenicke 2014 DODGERS Don Mattingly 2013 Has option for 2014 - Option vested w/2013 NLDS win GIANTS Bruce Bochy 2016 PADRES Bud Black 2013 Has options for 2014 & 15 - Options picked up for both seasons DBACKS Kirk Gibson 2014 ROCKIES Walt Weiss 2013 RED SOX John Farrell 2016 YANKEES Joe Girardi 2013 Re-signed thru 2017 ORIOLES Buck Showalter 2018 BLUE JAYS John Gibbons 2014 RAYS Joe Maddon 2015 TIGERS Jim Leyland 2013 Will not return / Brad Ausmus hired on three yr deal + 2017 option INDIANS Terry Francona 2016 ROYALS Ned Yost 2013 TWINS Ron Gardenhire 2013 Extended thru 2015 WHITE SOX Robin Ventura 2014 ANGELS Mike Scioscia 2018 RANGERS Ron Washington 2014 MARINERS Eric Wedge 2013 Will not return - Lloyd McClendon hired, Terms = ?? ASTROS Bo Porter 2013 ATHLETICS Bob Melvin 2016

Vic Sage Nov 06 2013 01:42 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Newly hired managers: Reds - Bryan Price Nationals - Matt Williams Tigers - Brad Ausmus Mariners - Lloyd McClendon 2013 options picked up: Mets - Collins Braves - F.Gonzalez Phillies - Sandberg Cards - Matheny Dodgers - Mattingly Padres - Black yankees - Girardi Twins - Gardenhire Rockies - Walt Weiss Royals - Ned Yost OPEN spots (with rumored candidates so far): Cubs -Rick Renteria, AJ Hinch, Eric Wedge, Dave Martinez, Tory Lovullo

MFS62 Nov 07 2013 12:11 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Brad Ausmus? Does this mean the team trainer will be dispensing chicken soup instead of PEDs? Later

Vic Sage Nov 07 2013 02:54 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Cubs do go with Renteria, apparently. so the shuffle is done. now cut.

Frayed Knot Nov 10 2013 09:07 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Current Managers who have yet to manage a game in MLB Current Managers =#0000FF]still with their first managerial job TEAM MANAGER PREVIOUS TEAM(s) METS Terry Collins Angels; Astros BRAVES Fredi Gonzalez Marlins PHILLIES =#0000FF]Ryne Sandberg NATIONALS Matt Williams MARLINS =#0000FF]Mike Redmond CARDINALS =#0000FF]Mike Matheny PIRATES Clint Hundle Rockies CUBS Rick Renteria REDS Bryan Price BREWERS =#0000FF]Ron Roenicke DODGERS =#0000FF]Don Mattingly GIANTS Bruce Bochy Padres PADRES =#0000FF]Bud Black DBACKS =#0000FF]Kirk Gibson ROCKIES =#0000FF]Walt Weiss RED SOX John Farrell Blue Jays YANKEES Joe Girardi Marlins ORIOLES Buck Showalter Yanx, DBacks; Rangers BLUE JAYS John Gibbons Blue Jays RAYS =#0000FF]Joe Madden TIGERS Brad Ausmus INDIANS Terry Francona Phillies; Red Sox ROYALS Ned Yost Brewers TWINS =#0000FF]Ron Gardenhire WHITE SOX =#0000FF]Robin Ventura ANGELS =#0000FF]Mike Scioscia RANGERS =#0000FF]Ron Washington MARINERS Llyoy McClendon Pirates ASTROS =#0000FF]Bo Porter ATHLETICS Bob Melvin Mariners; DBacks I was thinking about this after all the new hires because I remembered when Davey Johnson & Jack McKeon were hired as interim managers (Davey later hired permanently) during a fairly short span back in 2011 - and some snarky voice on ESPN used the age of those two as a jumping off point to trash baseball for living in the past yadda, yadda, same-old-shit, etc. He even hit upon what I'm sure he thought was a catchy phrase of "baseball's old, football's bold" cuz lord knows that the always cutting-edge NFL would never hire a retread or engage in copy-cat strategy. Anyway, of the recent hires, only Lloyd McClendon has managed previously and now 19 of the 30 are or will be working with their first team in 2014. Or, if you want to point out that John Gibbons is on his second go-around with the Jays and say that really 18 of 30 are first-timers, that's OK too. Either way, I'm sure the guy has recanted his rant ... yeah right.

Frayed Knot Jan 07 2014 04:21 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Mattingly extended in La-La Land through 2016

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 07 2014 04:55 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

That should help take the sting off his dropping off the HoF ballot this Wednesday.

Edgy MD Jan 17 2014 09:39 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Charlie comes crawling home. Manuel swallows his pride and takes a job as senior advisor to Phillies GM Ruben Amaro, Jr.

Frayed Knot Jan 24 2014 02:40 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Robin Ventura is rewarded for the ChiSox 99-loss season with a three-year extension, his deal now takes him thru 2017.

Frayed Knot Sep 01 2014 11:01 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Been a long time since this thread surfaced, something which is generally good news for dugout bosses. But it does surface today wight eh news that the Astros have fired Bo Porter as manager alone with bench coach Dave Trembley. Timing seems a bit odd, but I'm sure there are reasons not obvious to distant observers. Organization man Tom Lawless gets to lay down the law (wait, can a guy named Lawless even do that?) for the rest of the season. Houston says it will start a search for the permanent replacement immediately.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 01 2014 11:05 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

If you gave me a billion guesses, I couldn't have told you that Bo Porter was the manager of the Houston Astros.

Edgy MD Sep 01 2014 11:15 AM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Porter and his GM had been butting heads and complaining about each other to the pres. Porter also raised some eyebrows when he called his team into the tunnel between innings last week to have an in-game team meeting. Pretty sure Lawless was a Spring Training Met, or something. Was clearly and consistently the worst hitter in the league with the mid-80s with the Cards, but Whitey liked his defensive-replacement skillz or his savoir faire or something, because he carried Lawless for the better part of four years. The guy absolutely killed it in 1987, going .080 / .179 / .120 // .299 with two hits, one double, and no RBI in 29 plate appearances, and then somehow made the post-season roster and then hit a game-winning homer in the World Series against Minnesota. Incredible. Also the only player ever traded for Pete Rose.

Frayed Knot Sep 01 2014 12:12 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If you gave me a billion guesses, I couldn't have told you that Bo Porter was the manager of the Houston Astros. Very anonymous first-time manager on a team both at a low point in its history (3 consecutive 105+ loss seasons) and during the first span in history where they don't play the Mets (we actually get that division this year but theirs in the final series of the year). Also was pretty anonymous during his playing career (brief stints with 3 different AL clubs) to the point where I think most NYM fans would have trouble picking him out of a one-man lineup. This is really only notable in it being the lone managerial firing of the year.

seawolf17 Sep 01 2014 12:46 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Sending my resume in.

Benjamin Grimm Sep 01 2014 06:11 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: If you gave me a billion guesses, I couldn't have told you that Bo Porter was the manager of the Houston Astros. Very anonymous first-time manager on a team both at a low point in its history (3 consecutive 105+ loss seasons) and during the first span in history where they don't play the Mets (we actually get that division this year but theirs in the final series of the year). Also was pretty anonymous during his playing career (brief stints with 3 different AL clubs) to the point where I think most NYM fans would have trouble picking him out of a one-man lineup. I have to be honest here... after making my post about not knowing who the manager of the Houston Astros was, I realized that I couldn't name the managers of the Marlins or the Nationals either. I just looked it up; the name "Mike Redmond" didn't even ring a bell, and I had no idea that Matt Williams was managing the Nationals. I mean, I'm sure I heard this information before, but my brain didn't consider it important enough to retain.

Gwreck Sep 01 2014 06:19 PM Re: 2013-14 Manager Shuffle

Benjamin Grimm wrote: If you gave me a billion guesses, I couldn't have told you that Bo Porter was the manager of the Houston Astros. Surely, if afforded one billion guesses, you would have started with every living former Major League Baseball player, no? You would've gotten in within the first million, I think. :)