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Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide
batmagadanleadoff Oct 01 2013 01:41 PM |
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A Mets free-agent shoppers guide
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... pers-guide
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 02:03 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I just don't know what's to get excited about there. Murphy, Peralta, and Abreu seem like targets the Mets will look at closely. Cruz sure fits the profile of the team buying low on ex-PED-cons, but I agree about the translation rate of power from Texas to Queens.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2013 02:23 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Having David Murphy and Daniel Murphy on the same team will be a Schaefer-tallying nightmare.
How old is he?
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 02:29 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I think we can be reasonably assured that the team will look hard (probably harder) at the trade route for acquiring offensive help.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 01 2013 02:38 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Yeah that's my thought, although I suppose it's worth a shot at Abreu.
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Vic Sage Oct 01 2013 02:38 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
We need a power-hitting RFer, a SS with at least decent offensive production, and reliable production at 1B.
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Ceetar Oct 01 2013 02:46 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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need a left fielder too, and probably a center fielder.
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 02:49 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
The desire to solve all problems at once is a dangerous trap. With a healthy organization of hundreds of players, some tend to solve themselves. If you get the right guy in one position, sometimes, just stabilizing another is a big step. And more talent is freed up there.
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Vic Sage Oct 01 2013 02:53 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
if we get power from 1b, SS and rf, we can live with Young's 40+ SBs in LF and some combo of Legares, DenDekker, Nieuhenheis and/or whatever spare parts we pick up for CF. You can't (or at least shouldn't) sign an entirely new FA outfield.
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Edgy MD Oct 01 2013 02:57 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
There you go.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 01 2013 02:58 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I'm with Vic.
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Vic Sage Oct 01 2013 03:07 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
i don't think we should waste our time on FA pitching... with the organizational depth we have at that position, it'd be a misallocation of resources, and pitchers are hard to count on anyway, especially relievers. They could take a flyer on a cheap arm with some Spring Training invitees, like we did with Dickey, on the hope of catching lightning in a bottle, or at least an arm that can take some pressure off the kids. But i'm fine with a rotation of Niese, Harvey, Gee, Wheeler and Mejia, with guys like Torres, Montero, Syndegaard in reserve unless beaten out in camp by a vet in the spring. And the last FA reliever we signed should be the last FA reliever we sign, as far as i'm concerned. And backup catchers, retreads and other 30-somethings looking for long-term big money deals shouldn't be high on our list either.
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Ashie62 Oct 01 2013 04:50 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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You do know he is RIP?
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metirish Oct 01 2013 04:53 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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hardly a ringing endorsement for a guy I keep hearing the Mets must sign......I confess to knowing not much about him but with all the talk I didn't expect to read that...course it's one opinion.
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seawolf17 Oct 01 2013 06:15 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Wladimir Balentien just broke the Japanese single-season home run record. He most definitely not dead.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 01 2013 08:09 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Choo's better-- or, rather, less bad-- in a corner than in center. Which, considering what we've got in hand, seems a great fit.
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Ashie62 Oct 01 2013 09:26 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Conflating with Greg Halman..
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Ceetar Oct 02 2013 07:03 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Well sure, we can't solve all problems/positions via free agency. But there are trades, there are trusting other guys. If we're gonna roll with Lagares and his complete lack of offense (but hey, he could improve too) and sign only one slugging OF, makes a lot more sense to me to put Duda in LF where the defense becomes less important based on having a good defensive CF instead of statuesque guys like Ankiel. Duda's a + offensive player and the Mets need that.
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Lefty Specialist Oct 02 2013 07:33 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
2014 should be a 'buy-low' year. I wouldn't get tied up in anything long-term; so that leaves out guys like Choo and Cruz. If there's a need later in the year, there are arms in the minors that can be used as chips.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 02 2013 07:44 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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I kind of agree with Vic. This team lost a lot of games because it couldn't score more than two runs. We need some serious offense.
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Edgy MD Oct 02 2013 07:58 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I don't think Lagares has a complete lack of offense.
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Frayed Knot Oct 02 2013 09:15 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Yeah, reports on Abreu, though often promising, are hardly universal in their praise.
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MFS62 Oct 02 2013 09:15 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
He'll be trying our for lots of clubs to prove he is over his surgeries.
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Frayed Knot Oct 02 2013 09:25 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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You've been suggesting that incentive strategy for Sizemore for at least three years now. But at this point, seeing as how his last professional game was in 2011 and his last full/decent season was in 2008, I'm going to assume that he's retired until I hear otherwise.
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MFS62 Oct 02 2013 09:45 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Actually, since he was declared a free agent after the 2011 season. So its more like two years. If I did it before that, I could have been accused of tampering. (j/k) But your point is well taken. Later
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smg58 Oct 03 2013 07:11 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I would put our biggest needs at the corner outfield spots and shortstop.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 03 2013 08:12 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I'm with a lot of that.
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Vic Sage Oct 03 2013 08:15 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 03 2013 08:17 AM |
i would agree with most of this analysis too, but i'm confused by one point.
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Edgy MD Oct 03 2013 08:15 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I don't know about avoiding guys with a PED history outright. You don't want to pay good money for them, but I think that's been part of Omar's strategy. Treat them like neglected assets that you can bid low on.
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smg58 Oct 03 2013 12:56 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I do think Hamilton is a better bet than Cruz to perform at career-norm levels next season.
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Vic Sage Oct 03 2013 01:25 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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I don't know why you think so, but Hamilton's performance level NOW is still better than Cruz's average season (.260/25-30hr), but i'm not interested in either of them. They're 32 with drugs and injuries in their recent past. But that wasn't the point i was making anyway.
Again, i agree, but you're the one who brought character INTO the equation, which was my point. And Hamilton is as likely to be an example of this problem as Cruz, Peralta, Cabrera, Byrd or anybody else, as he's a junkie owed $104M over the next 4 years, from age 33-36. Even at half that price, i'd avoid him. and not for character reasons. Just as i'd avoid the Pujols contract, even with his solid reputation for character.
Or he might play like the .775-.805 OPS player he was for the 2 seasons before that (2007-08), or the .885 player he was in 2005, 2 years prior to THAT. No way to know, i guess, but, if you don't have to overpay to find out, I'd sure be interested (character issues aside, of course). Because if Tejada or even Drew are your best alternatives, then Peralta starts looking like a pretty good risk to take.
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Frayed Knot Oct 03 2013 01:30 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I'm not sure that Peralta's days as a SS aren't dwindling.
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Ceetar Oct 03 2013 01:31 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Tejada had a crappy start to the season, but his numbers aren't really abysmal.
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Vic Sage Oct 03 2013 01:34 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
yes, abysmal would be an improvement.
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Vic Sage Oct 03 2013 01:36 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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i'm not really shilling for Peralta. I just don't want to rule him out until i know what the market is for him... and certainly not for character issues.
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Ashie62 Oct 03 2013 02:13 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
There was an ESPN piece the other day suggesting the Mets would build like the Red Sox..That would mean signing a gaggle of say 2-5 million dollar type guys..
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Frayed Knot Oct 04 2013 07:25 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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FREE AGENTS AIN'T FREE - PART II
I don't really have a specific point here except that while it's often easy to look at past deals and say, with perfect hindsight: "Well that one really sucked"; it can sometimes be more interesting to look at active deals and wonder how many teams would do them again, even with those that have barely started. Random comments on some of the above: VOTTO -- Terrific player, though power down a bit this season, has just turned 30 and the 10 years haven’t started yet. LONGORIA -- Not a true FA deal, but six years were just tacked onto the original six year deal signed practically at his ML debut.. PUJOLS -- Looked too long/too heavy when it was signed, and looks a lot worse now. But, HEY, only 80% of it left to go. POSEY -- Deal just starting. Age is good, position may cause a problem down the road. ANDRUS -- Pre-FA deal, but with so-so performance and a better player on his teams' roster at his position, talk has it that Texas already wants out PEDROIA -- Deal set to start next year. FIELDER -- Coming off a somewhat down year, but so far has proven more durable than his bulk suggests and many fear. BRAUN -- Well, the ON-field part has gone well TULOWITSKI -- Only the injuries have been a problem so far WRIGHT -- We’ll see, won’t we? KEMP -- Immensely talented but erratic and injury prone. ZIMMERMAN -- Hitting well but will need to move to 1B sooner rather than later CASTRO --- Pre-FA deal, but a .284 OBA isn’t a good start RIZZO -- Pre-FA deal, set to start next season MAUER -- Injuries and position questions cloud the future. PENCE -- Just signed. ADAM JONES -- Pre-FA deal MOLINA -- Deal starting just as the first injury-shortened year hits. Still, a near-MVP year. HAMILTON -- Risky deal when it happened doesn’t look any better after Year 1 A. RODRIGUEZ -- Nuff said WERTH -- Followed a down 1st year and injury shortened 2nd one with an MVP-quality 3rd. Maybe a long, lean, yoga-practicing athlete is just what you want as they get older. Down side is that he’ll be 35 next season CRAWFORD -- Already dealt once, has yet to look as good since the signing as he did before. REYES -- Worst thing about this deal is that it’s so back-loaded ETHIER -- Currently injured and probably the odd man out in a crowded outfield. Team would almost certainly have to eat some money in order to deal him C. GONZALEZ -- Pre-FA deal. Have to consider the Coors Factor if traded BJ UPTON -- Horrid first season HOWARD -- Looked too high/too long when it happened and now looks wose TEIXEIRA -- BA starting to decline, but was still good prior to lost 2013 CABRERA -- Monster offensive numbers dwarf any conditioning questions ... so far UGGLA -- Can’t be good when you get left off the playoff roster as the team’s highest paid player
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MFS62 Oct 04 2013 08:41 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
IIRC, It used to be that when a player who had signed a long free agent was traded during that contract, he could become (his option) a free agent again the year following the trade.
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Benjamin Grimm Oct 04 2013 08:47 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
He would have the right to demand a trade, and if his team didn't trade him, he'd have the right to opt for free agency. Players would often withdraw their demand if not traded (I recall Darryl Hamilton doing this with the Mets) because they don't want to risk that their next contract would be less lucrative. I don't know if that rule is still in effect, though.
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Edgy MD Oct 04 2013 10:01 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
There are a lot of crazy people in this world, but it's hard to see Reyes' believing he'd get more money, if that's who you're thinking of.
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Vic Sage Oct 04 2013 10:02 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
These are the guys I would take from that list, if i had to pay the balance of their contracts (at the average annual price) from this point forward.
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Frayed Knot Oct 04 2013 10:12 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Not surprisingly--and part of the point of this little project-- almost all of your 'YES' votes are for players with pre-FA deals that wouldn't be available to other teams on the open market. Only Wright and Cabrera are exceptions and even those two never made the open market either although both had enough service time when those deals were reached that their club had to at least pay close to a market rate for them. The high percentage of remaining 'NO' and 'MAYBE' votes point out the risk of long-term/high-bucks deals and should give pause to the various Cano-chasers out there.
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Edgy MD Oct 04 2013 10:19 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Excellent point, which we can interpret as... tie up Murphy now? Even if you don't intend to keep him? Tie up Parnell?
Crappy fielder, carries extra weight, gravitating toward DH, apparent substance problems. Makes $22,000,000 a year and folks would fall over themselves to pay it, and probably would if he was 35. That's a man who can hit.
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Ceetar Oct 04 2013 01:05 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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take him and toss the Mets on the pile for "DH Everywhere". *shrug* Hell, it's already in the rules so the NL could start up with the DH next year if they felt like it. I don't think people realize how easy it would be.
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Edgy MD Oct 05 2013 09:23 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I'm sure not going to get on board for the DH just because I think it somehow gives me a better chance to get the Tigers to give me their MVP.
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Frayed Knot Oct 05 2013 09:48 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
One way to look at this is to pretend that each of the players on that chart are [u:1wg65vo5]available right now[/u:1wg65vo5] via free-agency but that they [u:1wg65vo5]can only be signed for the years and dollars remaining[/u:1wg65vo5] (the two right-hand columns) on their current deal.
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metsmarathon Oct 10 2013 01:23 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
so i thought i'd take a look at hte players listed here and see what bbref's mot similar players thingy says about their expected level of production moving forward. maybe there's a hidden gem somewhere in the thickets. or maybe htey all suck. why not, right?
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Frayed Knot Nov 11 2013 12:52 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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And now comes word that Mauer will transition to full-time 1st baseman starting next season - which basically makes him Todd Helton with a lot less power and a tougher home park. He never played again after taking a foul ball off the top of his catcher helmet during a Mets game in August.
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seawolf17 Nov 11 2013 01:01 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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"2013 Mets: We might not have won many games, but we sure did beat the hell out of the opposition."
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Frayed Knot Nov 11 2013 02:26 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Mauer, Hudson, Heyward, ...
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MFS62 Nov 13 2013 09:14 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Saw on Yahoo sports that Pedroia had hand surgery. That might slow some teams down in their pursuit of him (or lower their offers).
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Frayed Knot Nov 14 2013 06:16 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Pedroia's not a FA.
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Ashie62 Nov 14 2013 05:09 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Saw on the twitterverse Sandy met with Peralta and Ike to Colorocky may have some traction...
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 14 2013 05:26 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Yes, but then you see things like this, and yes, it's a negotiation, but... yeesh.
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Ashie62 Nov 16 2013 12:38 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Maybe you just don't buy anybody...
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Lefty Specialist Nov 16 2013 01:41 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Looks like another winter of shopping in the clearance aisle, hoping one or two has a Marlon Byrd-type breakout.
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 16 2013 02:04 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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I don't agree with that. Whoever wins the pennant this year will do so without Matt Harvey.
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Ceetar Nov 16 2013 02:09 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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and when Wheeler has Tommy JOhn next offseason we'll wait until 2016. Really, unless everything goes perfectly, keep pushing the goal posts.
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Edgy MD Nov 16 2013 02:25 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
They're going to do something. Maybe not enough for many. And maybe it's impossible to do enough for some. But they're going to do something. And nobody's going to be shocked.
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Frayed Knot Feb 05 2014 07:11 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 05 2014 06:58 PM |
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Finishing up the winter signing season--although additions may still come as seen by yesterday's long-term deal for Freddie Freeman--by adding the new Five-Year-Plus deals to the existing (hitter only) ones below. The Freeman deal, which is obviously not a true FA deal but a buy-out of arb years plus his first few potential FA seasons, was the longest and costliest in Braves history.
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duan Feb 05 2014 09:41 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
how many of those deals would you claim on waivers?
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Frayed Knot Feb 05 2014 10:06 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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As noted earlier, almost all of the most attractive ones are pre-FA contracts.
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Edgy MD Feb 05 2014 10:14 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I'd gobble up Longoria's deal like a hungry hippo.
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Ashie62 Feb 05 2014 11:28 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
And move David to SS
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Nymr83 Feb 06 2014 08:04 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I'd take the Andrus deal too.
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Vic Sage Feb 06 2014 01:50 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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updating my earlier post:
I would now add the Freeman deal to this list, making it 8 out of 49 deals.
And i would Abreu to this list. We don't know enough about him yet, but it might end up a very good deal.
Still true, with 8 yes and 14 borderline deals, making 22 out of 49 deals worth considering (27 being an outright NO). I wouldn't touch any of those other recent deals due to their length, player age, and avg salary. However, if i thought my team was one of those players away from winning a championship this year, i would reconsider.
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Frayed Knot Mar 28 2014 06:21 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
So the list of ten-year deals for players age 30+ currently looks like this:
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Vic Sage Mar 28 2014 08:59 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
amazing. is it just arrogance? stupidity? or is there some financial modeling going on that shows the short-term gain (which is speculative) is worth the long-term deficit (which is definite) of these deals? Here, there isn't even short-term gain, since they had Miggy signed for 2 more years already.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2014 09:03 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Maybe they're counting on runaway inflation and a MLB revenue stream that doubles every three years.
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Edgy MD Mar 28 2014 09:36 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
It is true that $29 million in 2014 won't be $29 million in 2023.
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HahnSolo Mar 28 2014 09:40 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
And to think the Tigers were getting praise just a few months ago for unloading a big contract.
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Frayed Knot Mar 28 2014 10:08 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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The only thing shocking about Pujols (and 'shocking' probably isn't the right word here -- surprising maybe) is how quickly he fell. It certainly could have been reasonable for the Angles to figure on a couple of similar seasons to what he gave StL for a decade prior to start losing it in chunks. That it came quicker than expected (and maybe some was injury related and there'll be a partial bounce-back for, say, 2014-15) is what's making look so bad, so early, but even there you would have expected that to be a bigger red flag for the Tiggers not a signal to go and top it for a similar hitter with worse secondary skills only one year younger at the time of the contract.
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Edgy MD Mar 28 2014 10:14 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
"Worse" is sort of generous. Pujols is a fine fielder and a really good baserunner even while not being particularly fast. The best I can say for Cabrera's defense is that he seems indifferent.
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Frayed Knot Mar 28 2014 10:30 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I was rushed for time and didn't want to type out: 'Totally Fucking Worse to the point where they barely represent the same species'.
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Vic Sage Mar 28 2014 11:07 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Yes, but if you look at Pujols' last year with St.L, you can see his decline already starting. He hit under .300, and with less than 100rbi, both for the first time in his career. It was still an excellent season for a mortal, with an OPS+ of 148, but that was also the lowest OPS+ he'd ever put up. At age 31, it was not hard to think the arrow may have begun to point down; certainly St.L was smart enough to realize it and they were unwilling to give him stupid long-term money even though he may have been their best player since Stan Musial, and could've been a similarly iconic lifer for the franchise. But that is why they are a consistently successful franchise; they looked at that and said no, Al, if you want a 10-year deal, go to Anaheim. And now he's the Angels' AL-batross.
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Frayed Knot Mar 28 2014 11:46 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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All true. My only point was that Pujols didn't merely continue his shallow decline of the previous few seasons upon hitting Anaheim, he fell off a fucking table relatively speaking. And StL did offer him a big deal (I believe it was for eight years) so it's not like saw what was happening and knew it was time to get out of the Albert business entirely, they were just smart enough not to overboard in some kind of vain attempt to top what someone else was willing to do. Same could be said for the Yanx & Cano. In Detroit's case though it's even worse as there was neither an outside bidder nor a time table that required them to do anything for at least 18 more months. Weird.
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Zvon Mar 28 2014 12:41 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
How are the Tiggers attendence numbers? Do they expect a bump at the gate due to this? I can't see how doing this now makes any sense at all.
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Frayed Knot Mar 28 2014 01:56 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
I can't see how either current or projected attendance has anything to do with this; Cabrera was going to be there this year and next with or without a contract extension.
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Ashie62 Mar 28 2014 04:41 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Pujols, Cano, Cabrera.. maybe these type of contracts are the new normal...
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Edgy MD Mar 28 2014 05:24 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Well, three out of 1,200 is a far cry from normal.
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Frayed Knot Mar 29 2014 05:50 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
It didn't take more than a few minutes after the Cabrera deal was announced that speculation began about what this means for Mike Trout.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Mar 29 2014 07:11 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
And that's the bad part -- one horrible deal by one owner sets the market sets standards that the rest of the team has to live up to. How long before the average all-star commands $20 million?
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Frayed Knot Mar 29 2014 07:26 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Y'know what, if the owners have the money -- and it certainly appears that they do -- then who cares? OK it'll matter if and when either teams start to go out of business or fans start to stay away because they're priced out of their seats in order to pay for these contracts - but not only is neither happening right now (despite decades of dire predictions that such scenarios were just around the corner) but the trends for the most part are marching in exactly the opposite direction.
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Ceetar Mar 29 2014 09:05 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Oh, we're paying for it. It's just in the cable bill not (just) the ticket prices. The amount of money Verizon gets from me a month could probably pay a mortgage in some parts of the country.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2014 09:53 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
In 1980, the Payson family sold the Mets -- the NYC NL franchise, ferchrissakes! -- for 21 million dollars. Last year, Johan Santana, inactive and past his prime even if healthy, made 25 million dollars in baseball salary alone -- and the NY Mets were valued at two billion dollars in a Bloomberg Report. So yeah -- things keep going up. And MLB will continue to explore new untapped revenue streams, including expanding PAY TV, pay internet and international expansion. They'll put a Major League Baseball franchise on a mountaintop in Afghanistan if their money guys tell them that the move'll make boffo money. They'll also put more American cities into baseball and more teams into the playoffs. Whatever it takes to make more $$, and they won't give a shit if MLB starts to resemble the NHL a little bit.
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Frayed Knot Mar 29 2014 09:58 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Of course we're paying for it (in one form or another). The point is that baseball fans have proven themselves to be quite willing to pay for it* and until they show otherwise this conversation of 'I can't believe how much Player X is getting' hasn't changed since the favored complaints were about how criminal it was that backup infielders were making 50K. * something which has to be a surprise for those at ESPN who keep telling me that the set of baseball fans in America now is down to Bob Costas, George Will, plus seven or eight guys in a nursing home somewhere, and despite the fact that their network just re-upped a deal with MLB for double the money they were previously paying
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Edgy MD Mar 29 2014 10:01 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
With this much value flying around (and yes, value due to people paying lots of $$ for their beisbol), it's amazing the independent leagues don't just say, "Fuck it" and start parking teams in these ridiculous exclusive territories MLB is declaring for themselves.
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Ceetar Mar 29 2014 11:20 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Because we haven't actually been priced out, at least in part because of cable deals. Without which, would prices for seats reach NFL/NBA levels?
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Edgy MD Mar 29 2014 11:30 AM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
Which "why" is your "because" in response to? Because I'm not following.
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Ceetar Mar 29 2014 12:40 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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why fans have shown they're willing to pay for it? Because we haven't been priced out. Why? because a lot of the onus is on the cable companies and spread among many customers, some of who doesn't even watch baseball. Because cable deals are paying teams huge amounts of money. Why? Because the sport is thriving and fans are watching. Because baseball is awesome.
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TheOldMole Mar 29 2014 12:47 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Oh, he's in center field. We're not talking about him.
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batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2014 01:13 PM Re: Free Agents Ain't Free. A Mets Shopper's Guide |
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Despite the current lull in expansion chatter, my guess is that MLB will add two teams in the near future. 16 team leagues work much neater than 15 team leagues, not only because 16 is an even number, but because it's also divisible by four. I'd bet on another realignment to four eight-team divisions with the top two teams making the playoffs. I won't like it, but it makes sense schedule wise and also, because the owners are in it for the money and wouldn't turn down buy in fees no matter what.
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