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I Wuz Framed

Edgy MD Oct 02 2013 11:15 AM

Amazin' Avenue looks at Lord Buck vs. Vicomte D'Arnaud exclusively with regard to the nebulous but real virtue of pitch-framing, does a great job clearing up the ambiguity, and suggests (perhaps over-zealously) that we may gain as many as five wins on pitch-framing alone.

Ceetar Oct 02 2013 12:34 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

This framing stuff is fascinating. I need to read up some more on the stats. Quantifying it of course is still way up in the air, so 5 WAR might be a bit much, but damn..if he can hit a little having a good framer is a big deal. And hell, Wheeler is still a little wild at time. But if his strike zone is bigger with d'Arnaud (hmm..Wheeler DID get better later in the season..) and Gee is a control/corners guy anyway..hell, even a little offense goes a long way if d'Arnaud can improve what was already a pretty good rotation.

Edgy MD Oct 02 2013 12:41 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

Yeah, I try and get across that much of it may be pie in the sky, but it's five wins, not five WAR, as they're not comparing him to a theoretical replacement, but to John Buck himself.

Ceetar Oct 02 2013 12:59 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, I try and get across that much of it may be pie in the sky, but it's five wins, not five WAR, as they're not comparing him to a theoretical replacement, but to John Buck himself. well, WAB anyway.

seawolf17 Oct 02 2013 01:14 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

Jose Molina, I believe, is the Patron Saint of the Framers.

Ceetar Oct 02 2013 01:18 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

seawolf17 wrote: Jose Molina, I believe, is the Patron Saint of the Framers. so glad the Yankees let him go.

Edgy MD Oct 02 2013 01:19 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

Jose indeed. Very impressed that folks have taken steps toward measuring this.

Zvon Oct 02 2013 02:54 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

Just the way d' is so quiet with his glove makes a big difference. Buck is moving his glove all over the place before the pitch. d' just puts his glove there and lets the ball find its way to him. If the pitch is executed correctly his glove barely moves.

Edgy MD Oct 02 2013 03:05 PM Re: I Wuz Framed

It also explains a lot of the benefit to setting up at the bottom of the strikezone in the Pena style.