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Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2013 11:21 AM

Undated photo of Mets Grote & Berra, which had to have been taken during the early portion of the 1967 season -- check out the paint job on the outfield wall -- the numbers are dark and the wall is light. Grote at Butterball Field

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 12:03 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

The outfield wall was white for Seaver's debut. I think the white was gone by the next homestand. I think they're in the midst of painting it there. Notice the dark section in right field and the worker facing it.

Zvon Oct 11 2013 01:41 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Kong76 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Cool picture! Makes me want a yoohoo! I've never seen the wall with dark numbers. Maybe they are spray painting the fence and have the numbers covered. I would think if the wall was that way for any extended time I would have seen it in a photo by now. But you never know, ya know? They switched from the wall bullpen to the plexi glass bullpen. I found an article about it but it is not dated. What year did this change take place? My guess would be between the 67 and 68 season.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 01:51 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Jump ahead to about 4:30 in this video and you can see the wall painted white. I imagine the league whisteled it. Probably was blinding to hitters when the sun hit it, and really dangerous if you were facing a guy who dropped down low. [youtube:lh1grld6]3GB_kkbFVhk[/youtube:lh1grld6] It almost seems to have a hint of baby blue on the film. Maybe that's the green bleeding through.

Zvon Oct 11 2013 02:17 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

The OF wall at Shea was never white. It was a pale flat very light green when it opened in '64 and stayed that way for sometime. But what you mentioned about being a distraction to the batter, I think the light green would have the same effect and its surprising they were allowed to have it that color for any period of time. Now the wall numbers in the Seaver vid are the darker type and that's mid game so its not mid paint-job. Wonder how long the numbers stayed that way. I bet there's a story there.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2013 02:24 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Jump ahead to about 4:30 in this video and you can see the wall painted white. I imagine the league whisteled it. Probably was blinding to hitters when the sun hit it, and really dangerous if you were facing a guy who dropped down low. [youtube]3GB_kkbFVhk[/youtube] It almost seems to have a hint of baby blue on the film. Maybe that's the green bleeding through. The temporary '67 wall paint job was never white --- more like a light aquamarine, if you wanna use crayola crayons as a point of reference. The youtube video is a, more or less, accurate showing of the outfield wall color. batmagadanleadoff wrote: Undated photo of Mets Grote & Berra, which had to have been taken during the early portion of the 1967 season -- check out the paint job on the outfield wall -- the numbers are dark and the wall is light. Grote at Butterball Field Looks like the Butterball Field photo was also shot in '67; Grote's got the exact same glove and pair of spikes on in the Shea shot.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 02:36 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

They're not a darker type. They're black. And this is definitely a lighter base color. And I'm sticking to my contention that it's white paint with the only tone is coming from the green underneath bleeding through. Something briefly different happened at the start of 1967.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 02:38 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Shea in 1969:

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 02:41 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

But here it is 1966 behind the stage some band set up. The tone for the first homestand of 1967 is different. And again, 1969. That's two green cookies with a creamy middle, dontcha think?

Ashie62 Oct 11 2013 02:53 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

I'll take either Grote Piazza or Carter in my lineup anytime.... I probably like Grote best because he was the first Mets catcher of my youth..

dinosaur jesus Oct 11 2013 03:12 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

That 1969 shot is from September, I'm guessing Saturday, September 6. On a drizzly afternoon, Don Cardwell and Tug McGraw combined to shut out the Phillies 3-0 and move the Mets to 3 1/2 behind the Cubs. Fitting that this should be in the Grote thread, because after Terry Harmon led off the game with a single, Grote threw him out stealing second.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2013 05:35 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

You seem to be saying two different things. It's possible that the Mets used white paint to redo the walls ... if so, the white, mixed with the dark green, yielded some shade of light green. That's possible. But the early '67 walls weren't white. Just look at the youtube video and compare the walls to the Mets uniforms, or the sleeves on the Pirates uniforms. Those walls aren't white.

Zvon Oct 11 2013 05:39 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

This photo should not be used for an example of the color of anything. The hue is totally out of wack. All the photos from that session are. They are all great photographs, it's a shame.

d'Kong76 Oct 11 2013 05:48 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Colors on the interweb can be tricky. Next question.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 11 2013 05:49 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Zvon wrote: This photo should not be used for an example of the color of anything. The hue is totally out of wack. All the photos from that session are. They are all great photographs, it's a shame. All you gotta do is to look at the Rheingold ad at the top of the scoreboard to see that the colors are off. But even if the colors of that '69 shot are accurate, how does that prove that the early '67 walls were white?

d'Kong76 Oct 11 2013 05:56 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Allow me to clarify, the sky was white that day. And the grass yellow.

Zvon Oct 11 2013 06:28 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: This photo should not be used for an example of the color of anything. The hue is totally out of wack. All the photos from that session are. They are all great photographs, it's a shame. All you gotta do is to look at the Rheingold ad at the top of the scoreboard to see that the colors are off. But even if the colors of that '69 shot are accurate, how does that prove that the early '67 walls were white? The walls were never white. Ed's just stirrin up some shit. Its those black numbers that I'm gonna focus on.When were they, for how long? A whole season? I don't think so. We would have to travel out both ways in time from that Seaver vid. to get the proper time frame. Grotes photo falls in there (but where? It ties to Butterball with the shoes and glove). In Edgy's defense, if he's serious, it does look very white in a few sections of the vid. So, this is Seavers debut in 1967 and the plexiglass bullpens are in place.A Wes Westrum IN ACTION sighting!

Zvon Oct 11 2013 06:29 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Man, that color, whatever it was, was hideous.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 07:36 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: You seem to be saying two different things. It's possible that the Mets used white paint to redo the walls ... if so, the white, mixed with the dark green, yielded some shade of light green. That's possible. But the early '67 walls weren't white. Just look at the youtube video and compare the walls to the Mets uniforms, or the sleeves on the Pirates uniforms. Those walls aren't white. Which I acknowledge. but it also should be acknowledged that it is significantly different from what came before and after. Whether they painted it white or attempted white or whitefail, the main point remains, that it was a dramatic, white-ish departure that lasted a very short time in the great scheme of things. Also notable in that video, when you spy the windows from the wall into the bullpen, the frame around it is as white as Tom Sawyer's pickets. They perhaps used fresh wood there that didn't have a green undercoat.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 07:44 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Still a half shade off? Sure. But close enough that you can't quite make out a coloriffic distinction between the baserunner's knee and the frame of the bullpen-window part of the wall behind him begins. Note that they kept the far corners in left and right green. They did this to demonstrate to 2013 audiences that the attempted whitewashing had occurred, and this is what had been there before.

Zvon Oct 11 2013 07:48 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Also in the Seaver vid I think the first few scenes are of practice at Butterball Field. Could it be? On the same reel? The footage: 1967 Regular Season Game 7 April 20, 1967 Mets 6, Cubs 1 The black numbers on the walls. Pete would know.

Edgy MD Oct 11 2013 08:36 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Why in the world would I be stirring up shit? I see white and I say "white." Yeah, it's not pure white, but it's just off white and it's not particularly green at all and it's very different from anything before or since.

Zvon Oct 11 2013 09:07 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Edgy MD wrote: Why in the world would I be stirring up shit? I see white and I say "white." Yeah, it's not pure white, but it's just off white and it's not particularly green at all and it's very different from anything before or since. Sorry, just stirring up shit myself. Its washed out in the footage. I'll look for a pic of the fence white and I hope I find one, cause that would be pretty kool if it was once. I have collected a lot of pictures of Shea from all years and I've seen the light aqua-green fence but never a white one. Hey, that's from the first week of 67. Is it possible that could be a primer layer that they let sit for a small time before going over? There is no doubt that in the Seaver vid it's the lightest I've ever seen it but I think that's just the way it looked on that film.

Ashie62 Oct 12 2013 09:05 AM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

This thread got hijacked a long time ago...

Mets Guy in Michigan Oct 12 2013 06:39 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

Edgy MD wrote: But here it is 1966 behind the stage some band set up. The tone for the first homestand of 1967 is different. And again, 1969. That's two green cookies with a creamy middle, dontcha think? I love that the Beatles tried to play a stadium with fewer amps than a garage band uses today.

Zvon Oct 12 2013 07:19 PM Re: Was Jerry Grote the Greatest Mets Catcher Ever?

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Edgy MD wrote: But here it is 1966 behind the stage some band set up. The tone for the first homestand of 1967 is different. And again, 1969. That's two green cookies with a creamy middle, dontcha think? I love that the Beatles tried to play a stadium with fewer amps than a garage band uses today. They did more than tried. They did it. Twice. Crazy but true stuff. I believe the wall in 69 was closer to this color. Some photos have it looking a little more blueish. I'm telling ya that looks awfully like a primer coat. Or just an awful primer coat.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 15 2013 08:32 AM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Yesterday I watched the 1967 edition of SNY's Mets Yearbook and grabbed these screen shots: For anyone who wants to track down the game these photos are from, all I can say is that Ron Swoboda was batting against a left-handed pitcher wearing a red cap and red sleeves, and the ball landed beyond the center fielder's reach, but didn't go over the wall.

Edgy MD Dec 15 2013 09:05 AM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Off-white.

dinosaur jesus Dec 15 2013 11:18 AM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Yesterday I watched the 1967 edition of SNY's Mets Yearbook and grabbed these screen shots: For anyone who wants to track down the game these photos are from, all I can say is that Ron Swoboda was batting against a left-handed pitcher wearing a red cap and red sleeves, and the ball landed beyond the center fielder's reach, but didn't go over the wall. It looks like there are two games that could be. On April 23, Swoboda hit a two-triple to center off Chris Short of the Phillies. The centerfielder was Tony Gonzalez, and the Phillies won 10-6. And on July 2, Swoboda hit a double to center off Steve Carlton of the Cardinals. The centerfielder was Curt Flood, and the Cardinals won 3-1. If that's the Mets centerfielder in the first shot, and he's righthanded as he appears to be, that means it's Don Bosch in the April 23 game. Cleon played center in the July 2 game.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 15 2013 12:10 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

dinosaur jesus wrote: It looks like there are two games that could be. On April 23, Swoboda hit a two-triple to center off Chris Short of the Phillies. The centerfielder was Tony Gonzalez, and the Phillies won 10-6. And on July 2, Swoboda hit a double to center off Steve Carlton of the Cardinals. The centerfielder was Curt Flood, and the Cardinals won 3-1. If that's the Mets centerfielder in the first shot, and he's righthanded as he appears to be, that means it's Don Bosch in the April 23 game. Cleon played center in the July 2 game. If your research is correct, then the screen grabs have to be from the April 23rd game. The outfield walls were painted as shown only for the beginning of the season -- probably not beyond April of 1967. Light Aqua Green. Minty White.

Zvon Dec 15 2013 01:49 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

I'm confident that whatever they were doing to the fence there occurred during April of 1967 (painted over late April, early May) so I would go with the April game. If that was the year they added the plexi-glass to the bullpen areas it very well may be they decided to repaint the entire wall and layed on a primer coat, possibly covering the wall numbers with tape. Then maybe they didn't return to finish it until the end of the month. That's the only thing I can think of that makes sense. It would be pretty kool if we could find out for a fact what was going on with that wall.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 15 2013 02:06 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

dinosaur jesus wrote: If that's the Mets centerfielder in the first shot, and he's righthanded as he appears to be, that means it's Don Bosch in the April 23 game. Cleon played center in the July 2 game. That's the visiting team centerfielder (chasing Swoboda's drive), and yes, he's right-handed.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 03 2014 12:40 AM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Ernie Banks at Shea during the Cubs April, '67 visit. Light walls in background. [fimg=466:2xapluac]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LJvUULi51sI/TUg4tr6pYvI/AAAAAAAAXeU/vZYIT911XPg/s1600/Birthday%2BErnie.jpg[/fimg:2xapluac]

Zvon Jan 03 2014 01:38 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ernie Banks at Shea during the Cubs April, '67 visit. Light walls in background. [fimg=466]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LJvUULi51sI/TUg4tr6pYvI/AAAAAAAAXeU/vZYIT911XPg/s1600/Birthday%2BErnie.jpg[/fimg] wow. Good eye! This is what we should do in the off season. Investigative posterism.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2014 02:04 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

My guess is that in the spring of 1967 somebody forgot to order paint for the fence, so the Mets had to instead apply a few coats of toothpaste to the surface. I blame Jeff Wilpon!

Edgy MD Jan 03 2014 02:40 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

And we're all agreed. Something white happened, if indeed a minty white.

Benjamin Grimm Jan 03 2014 02:49 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

My guess is that it was intended to be permanent, but didn't look as good in reality as it may have looked in the imagination, and they fairly quickly reversed course. It may have been that they rethought the aesthetics, or else the problem was with the batters' ability to see the pitched ball with that light colored fence in the background.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 14 2014 08:17 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

From Opening Day, 1967 -- Cleon Jones chases a double off the bat of ex-Met Jesse Gonder. 4/11/67 Some of the letters (words, actually) in the Rheingold Ad appear to be raised.

Zvon Jan 14 2014 08:26 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff wrote: From Opening Day, 1967 -- Cleon Jones chases a double off the bat of ex-Met Jesse Gonder. 4/11/67 Some of the letters (words, actually) in the Rheingold Ad appear to be raised. oooh wow. That IS white. I really think it is. No washout to that film. Maybe the raised bit are neon lights under there. Wow, good find.

d'Kong76 Jan 14 2014 08:28 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Neon

d'Kong76 Jan 14 2014 08:28 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Oops, slow

Zvon Jan 14 2014 08:31 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Benjamin Grimm wrote: My guess is that it was intended to be permanent, but didn't look as good in reality as it may have looked in the imagination, and they fairly quickly reversed course. It may have been that they rethought the aesthetics, or else the problem was with the batters' ability to see the pitched ball with that light colored fence in the background. I don't believe that at any time in baseball history would anyone anywhere think that a white outfield wall was,..not even a good idea, it shouldn't even be an idea at all! The ball is white! There has to be a more interesting story here. Though if someone did approve this "idea", the persons level of stupidity would make it interesting. Who was this stupid? I need to know.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 14 2014 08:32 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Zvon wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: From Opening Day, 1967 -- Cleon Jones chases a double off the bat of ex-Met Jesse Gonder. 4/11/67 [fimg=633]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/11957544955_5544ae6a9a_b.jpg[/fimg] Some of the letters (words, actually) in the Rheingold Ad appear to be raised. oooh wow. That IS white. I really think it is. No washout to that film. Maybe the raised bit are neon lights under there. Wow, good find. But how white? The wall wasn't whiter than the ball, or whiter than the Mets home unis.

Zvon Jan 14 2014 08:49 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: From Opening Day, 1967 -- Cleon Jones chases a double off the bat of ex-Met Jesse Gonder. 4/11/67 [fimg=633]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/11957544955_5544ae6a9a_b.jpg[/fimg] Some of the letters (words, actually) in the Rheingold Ad appear to be raised. oooh wow. That IS white. I really think it is. No washout to that film. Maybe the raised bit are neon lights under there. Wow, good find. But how white? The wall wasn't whiter than the ball, or whiter than the Mets home unis. I would say that's white enough to be called white. Dates match, black numbers too, so that's the real deal.

Zvon Jan 14 2014 08:54 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

oooh, but then again an off white (green,lilbit) would probably look white like that too on B&W film. Back to square one. Maybe it's not the color of the wall we should investigate, but the color of the numbers. We know they are not white.

Edgy MD Jan 14 2014 08:56 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Zvon wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: My guess is that it was intended to be permanent, but didn't look as good in reality as it may have looked in the imagination, and they fairly quickly reversed course. It may have been that they rethought the aesthetics, or else the problem was with the batters' ability to see the pitched ball with that light colored fence in the background. I don't believe that at any time in baseball history would anyone anywhere think that a white outfield wall was,..not even a good idea, it shouldn't even be an idea at all! The ball is white! There has to be a more interesting story here. Though if someone did approve this "idea", the persons level of stupidity would make it interesting. Who was this stupid? I need to know. Standards were different, and bad ideas are allowed to float around all the time. There have been crippling chain link outfield fences and there have been murderous concrete outfield walls. Ask Bobby Valentine about the fence that turned him from a phenom to a journeyman. The most beloved park in the National League has brick walls all around. Behind the plate and down the line too. Stupid, yeah but it looked so good, your retro parks have all imitated it.

Zvon Jan 14 2014 09:15 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Edgy MD wrote: Zvon wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: My guess is that it was intended to be permanent, but didn't look as good in reality as it may have looked in the imagination, and they fairly quickly reversed course. It may have been that they rethought the aesthetics, or else the problem was with the batters' ability to see the pitched ball with that light colored fence in the background. I don't believe that at any time in baseball history would anyone anywhere think that a white outfield wall was,..not even a good idea, it shouldn't even be an idea at all! The ball is white! There has to be a more interesting story here. Though if someone did approve this "idea", the persons level of stupidity would make it interesting. Who was this stupid? I need to know. Standards were different, and bad ideas are allowed to float around all the time. There have been crippling chain link outfield fences and there have been murderous concrete outfield walls. Ask Bobby Valentine about the fence that turned him from a phenom to a journeyman. The most beloved park in the National League has brick walls all around. Behind the plate and down the line too. Stupid, yeah but it looked so good, your retro parks have all imitated it. This is true and a good point but that's material. Color is another matter. How long has baseball had stadiums make sure the area behind the pitcher, the batters eye, is a dark color? Whenever they decreed this is when they realized that a light, especially a white, backdrop was an unacceptable thing. I thought it's been that way as long as I've followed the game tho I could be wrong. If it was planned to be painted that color Id have to say it must have looked darker on the swatch sample they were lookin at, or something. If not it's crazy wacky stuff. Details! I want details!

batmagadanleadoff Jan 14 2014 09:17 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Did the Cleon picture disappear? I can't see it anymore.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 14 2014 09:21 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Did the Cleon picture disappear? I can't see it anymore. Never mind. My browser crashed. After re-loading, I can see the Jones.

Zvon Jan 14 2014 09:23 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Did the Cleon picture disappear? I can't see it anymore. not to me. yet. Ive seen that happen here tho. Then they mysteriously return. Maybe we should investigate that.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 18 2014 12:32 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

From Paul Lukas's ESPN column: Also in 1967: The wall got a new color scheme. Instead of Shea's familiar dark green with white distance numbers, it was very light green with black numbers (you can just make out the numbers in the background of this shot). But this proved so unpopular that the original colors were restored after only seven home games. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... kas/080926

Zvon Jan 18 2014 01:02 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

From Paul Lukas's ESPN column: Also in 1967: The wall got a new color scheme. Instead of Shea's familiar dark green with white distance numbers, it was very light green with black numbers (you can just make out the numbers in the background of this shot). But this proved so unpopular that the original colors were restored after only seven home games. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... kas/080926 A shame he didn't have the Cleon pic you posted last page: So is that the final answer? I wanted this story to be more interesting than that. Stupid boring Mets. Who's the guy behind the wall? Is that a spy type trenchcoat? Are those sunglasses from the future?

cooby Jan 18 2014 02:33 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Looking at these pictures is making me wistful for those days.

batmagadanleadoff Jan 18 2014 05:31 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

I always remembered the "white" wall appearing in the early '70's Mets intro to Met games. So I searched youtube, and found it. Look at the 18 second mark. [youtube:33zuyfae]918K4Hp-xWo[/youtube:33zuyfae]

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2014 08:00 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

But, just old footage is all. On a related note, my brother and I would "do the 'dan-na-na'" whenever this part was on, sliding along the floor, making pretend diviing catches, delivering pitches, etc as this aired.

Zvon Jan 18 2014 08:53 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I always remembered the "white" wall appearing in the early '70's Mets intro to Met games. So I searched youtube, and found it. Look at the 18 second mark. [youtube]918K4Hp-xWo[/youtube] It's deja vu all over again! Didn't we touch on this vid already? John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: But, just old footage is all. On a related note, my brother and I would "do the 'dan-na-na'" whenever this part was on, sliding along the floor, making pretend diviing catches, delivering pitches, etc as this aired. HAha, ditto JCL. With 3 brothers.

Edgy MD Jan 19 2014 01:49 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

I'm not sure. I think I would play air banjo.

Zvon Jan 28 2014 09:46 PM Re: Only the Wall Was White (Split from "Is Jerry Grote...")

Aside from the peek behind Ernie Banks that's ^ the best well lit, color photo I've seen of the fence being a lighter color, but so far can't confirm if this was from that period in '67. I don't think it was. I know it was also a light green color in '64, more like above. The '67 fence looks to be lighter on the Banks card & the B&W pics. Nolan wearing #34- that's kool. May have to unwatermark that one.