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Edgy MD
Oct 25 2013 12:45 PM

David Wright and Eric Young are nominated as Gold Glove finalists.

I don't know that these awards will ever fulfill their mandate with a comfortable degree of accuracy or meaning. Young certainly did an acceptable job in left, but it's hard to think of anybody watching the Mets more than twice and not thinking his positioning left the overall impact of his defense closer to the mean than you'd want to see from a Gold Glove candidate.

More importantly, whither Lagares?

seawolf17
Oct 25 2013 12:58 PM
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Moved to the baseball forum.

And yes, Lagares has got to be a "finalist," whatever the fuck that means.

Range Factor/9Inn as CF
1. Lagares (NYM) 2.98
2. Gomez (MIL) 2.92
3. Revere (PHI) 2.87
4. Amarista (SDP) 2.73
5. Span (WSN) 2.66

Range Factor/9Inn as OF
1. Lagares (NYM) 2.95
2. Gomez (MIL) 2.92
3. Revere (PHI) 2.87
4. Amarista (SDP) 2.67
5. Span (WSN) 2.66

Assists as CF
1. Lagares (NYM) 14
2. Gomez (MIL) 12
3. McCutchen (PIT) 11
4. Pollock (ARI) 8
Choo (CIN) 8

Assists as OF
1. Parra (ARI) 17
2. Lagares (NYM) 15
3. Denorfia (SDP) 13
Harper (WSN) 13
Bruce (CIN) 13

Edgy MD
Oct 25 2013 01:07 PM
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BB-Ref Defensive WAR:
Laggy: 3.5
Young: -1.3 (-1.3 all with the Roxx, 0.0 with the Mets)

Fangraphs has Lagares 25.4 units (runs?) above average on defense, and Young -6.3 (-6.6 with the Rockies and +0.3 with the Mets).

Congratulations to Young. You've got to nominate some guys just to lose, I guess. But I'm guessing he earned at least some of his defensive reputation by stealing a lot of bases.

metirish
Oct 25 2013 01:20 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
David Wright and Eric Young are nominated as Gold Glove finalists.

I don't know that these awards will ever fulfill their mandate with a comfortable degree of accuracy or meaning. Young certainly did an acceptable job in left, but it's hard to think of anybody watching the Mets more than twice and not thinking his positioning left the overall impact of his defense closer to the mean than you'd want to see from a Gold Glove candidate.

More importantly, whither Lagares?

Bad positioning and bad routes make for some spectacular catches, was that a factor here I wonder?

It's like the old 'Arry Redknapp line about one of his players, covers every blade of grass on the field...because his first touch is so bad.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 25 2013 01:33 PM
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He hasn't been around long enough. A big part of the Gold Glove is name recognition.

Zvon
Oct 25 2013 01:55 PM
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Gratz to Wright and Young. Wright was Wright. Young was very good. Lags was ripped off.

metirish
Oct 25 2013 01:59 PM
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Justin Turner ?@redturn2 6m
Look for @juanlagares2 to be on this list next year, thought he got snubbed! #bestCFintheShow

seawolf17
Oct 25 2013 02:39 PM
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It's not like @MLB doesn't know that, too. Very odd.

* Shin-Soo Choo discovers what most of us already knew – it’s not wise to run on Juan Lagares: https://twitter.com/MLB/statuses/382651744888430593 (September 24, 2013)

* Behold Juan Lagares’ right arm: https://twitter.com/MLB/statuses/370259158445998080 (August 21, 2013)

* Juan Lagares plays a tremendous center field. Watch this thievery here on Twitter from your computer: https://twitter.com/MLB/statuses/369846304773394432 (August 20, 2013)

* Sprinting, leaping, wall-colliding perfection by Juan Lagares: https://twitter.com/MLB/statuses/369528913455616000 (August 19, 2013)

* Juan Lagares didn't juggle this ball. He was just setting himself up for an unbelievable circus catch: https://twitter.com/MLB/statuses/333650574992089089 (May 12, 2013)

Frayed Knot
Oct 25 2013 02:43 PM
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I don't understand how this "finalist" thing works.
The GGs are an award voted on by managers and coaches. Did MLB narrow the roster of candidates first and only allow the Mgrs to vote on those, or were the votes already cast and counted and the only reason for this finalist list is to build anticipation by leaking the top finishers?

It's kind of funny that with all the complaining about the job that the writers do with MVP, RoY, CY, etc., the one vote that's done essentially in house is the one that's a virtual certainty to be the worst of the lot.

Edgy MD
Oct 25 2013 02:55 PM
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That strange Simmons peg is the best example of his throwing prowess, in that it demonstrates him taking an infielder's approach into the outfield. A shortstop knows instinctively that it doesn't matter how strong or accurate your throw is if you don't get to the ball and release it in a timely manner, giving the receiver a chance to make adjustments and finish the play or come off the bag to stop a wild throw, as needed.

While others might have set themselves and aired the ball out better, the thrown would arrive be two beats later. That ball had double all over it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 25 2013 05:47 PM
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There are better metrics, more eyes on every game, and better general knowledge of relative defensive prowess, even among non-professionals... and we still get this.

Why get upset at this point? These days, it's like arguing over who deserved that Oscar.

Ashie62
Oct 25 2013 08:29 PM
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Gold Gloves are like the Oscars..You usually have to be around awhile to get one.

Lagares did not play a full season...

Eric Young? Seriously???

metirish
Oct 25 2013 08:35 PM
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Conor ?@ConorCoen
@msimonespn hi Mark, any thoughts on Juan Lagares not making the cut in CF in the Gold Glove awards? #Mets #GoldGlove

Mark Simon ?@msimonespn
@ConorCoen he should have been a finalist --- span and mccutchen had good yrs, but not to level of lagares

Ceetar
Oct 25 2013 08:46 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
I don't understand how this "finalist" thing works.
The GGs are an award voted on by managers and coaches. Did MLB narrow the roster of candidates first and only allow the Mgrs to vote on those, or were the votes already cast and counted and the only reason for this finalist list is to build anticipation by leaking the top finishers?

It's kind of funny that with all the complaining about the job that the writers do with MVP, RoY, CY, etc., the one vote that's done essentially in house is the one that's a virtual certainty to be the worst of the lot.

I think they're just "releasing" the top three names or something. slow reveal.

MFS62
Oct 25 2013 08:51 PM
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metirish wrote:
Conor ?@ConorCoen
@msimonespn hi Mark, any thoughts on Juan Lagares not making the cut in CF in the Gold Glove awards? #Mets #GoldGlove

Mark Simon ?@msimonespn
@ConorCoen he should have been a finalist --- span and mccutchen had good yrs, but not to level of lagares

Exactly.
As they might say in Boston, "He got scrod".

Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 26 2013 09:12 AM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Gold Gloves are like the Oscars..You usually have to be around awhile to get one.

And it's got to be the right, showy kind of good to win one.

And usually, by the time you do get one, it's not for your best work, and often for one of your lesser works.

And when you do win that one, it's more of a lifetime-achievement thing/makeup for not getting one than it is a reward for your actual field achievement.

Frayed Knot
Oct 26 2013 10:29 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Ashie62 wrote:
Gold Gloves are like the Oscars..You usually have to be around awhile to get one.

And it's got to be the right, showy kind of good to win one.

And usually, by the time you do get one, it's not for your best work, and often for one of your lesser works.

And when you do win that one, it's more of a lifetime-achievement thing/makeup for not getting one than it is a reward for your actual field achievement.

And your offense matters.
It shouldn't, but it does.

MFS62
Oct 26 2013 04:30 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

And your offense matters.
It shouldn't, but it does.

Somewhere, in a parallel Universe, "Derek Jeter" and "Gold Glove" are hopefully never mentioned in the same sentence.

Later

Edgy MD
Oct 27 2013 07:17 PM
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Hatefully selfish and soft Carlos Beltran wins the Roberto Clemente Award.

MFS62
Oct 28 2013 07:06 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Hatefully selfish and soft Carlos Beltran wins the Roberto Clemente Award.

Good for him.
Don't know whether I have mentioned this before, but several years ago, I had to go San Juan for a business project. When the person from the local office picked me up at the airport, he asked whether I would like to go directly to the office, or have lunch first. I told him that the first thing I'd like to do would be to drive past Hiram Bithorn Stadium to see the Roberto Clemente statue. He became my best buddy during my stay there.

Roberto was respected for his contributions beyond the playing field. Glad to see Carlos has been similarly recognized.

Later

Edgy MD
Oct 29 2013 01:42 PM
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Gold Glove winners and chicken dinners to be announced tonight at 8:00 PM.

Edgy MD
Oct 29 2013 07:22 PM
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Mets are foiled by the Rockies as Carlos Gonzalez wins the left field Gold Glove and rookie Nolan Arenado wins at third.

A quick check suggests they made the right choice (unlike last season) at third, as Arenado's metrics are Ordonezesque, worth three wins or more on defense, while he's barely a blip on offense.

But... who is he? Was he in the lineup when they played the Mets?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 29 2013 07:44 PM
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I don't know about the glove... but when it comes to stealing hearts, he's a Recking ball.

Also, hey-- Dickey won one.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 29 2013 09:12 PM
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Arendado or whatever was supposed to be a hot prospect who'd fallen in esteem due to attitude issues, as I'd read anyway.

Frayed Knot
Oct 31 2013 08:58 PM
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Silver Sluggers - Nov 6
RoY(s) - Nov 11
MoY - Nov 12
CY - Nov 13
MVP - Nov 14

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 01 2013 04:49 AM
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Do we have any shot at a Silver Slugger? Murphy maybe? (Disclosure: I have no idea what any other second basemen in the league have done this season.)

Gwreck
Nov 01 2013 06:07 AM
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Nope. Matt Carpenter of the Cardinals (55 Doubles, .873 OPS, 6.6 WAR) will win for second base.

Ceetar
Nov 01 2013 07:58 AM
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David Wright has more fWAR than any other NL 3B.

Gwreck
Nov 01 2013 09:56 PM
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I don't actually know if you have to qualify for the batting title to be eligible for a silver slugger. As noted, Wright should win for third base regardless.

MFS62
Nov 05 2013 06:27 AM
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Mariano Rivera - AL Comeback Player of the Year.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... layer-year
Will he will visit every major league ballpark to show it off?

Later

metsmarathon
Nov 05 2013 07:20 AM
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he wasn't even the comebackiest player on his own team.

brett gardner put up about 4 WAR after missing much of last year. rivera put up 2.5ish.

in the NL, its gotta be marlon byrd (5 WAR), right? ok maybe hanley ramirez could get it (5.4 WAR in 2/3 of the season, after 0.7 in 1/3 of a season last year)

Edgy MD
Nov 05 2013 07:48 AM
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I prefer a player who disappears into the wilderness for several years over a player who loses 3/4 of one year to injury.

Frayed Knot
Nov 05 2013 07:50 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
Mariano Rivera - AL Comeback Player of the Year.

I suspect that vote was taken around May sometime.

Frayed Knot
Nov 06 2013 07:02 PM
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[u:35ea3to8]SILVER SLUGGERS[/u:35ea3to8]

NL:
C - Yadier Molina, StL
1B - Paul Goldschmidt, Ariz
2B - Matt Carpenter, StL
SS - Ian Desmond, Wash
3B - Pedro Alvarez, Pitt
OF - Michael Cuddyer, Colo
OF - Andrew McCutcheon, Pitt
OF - Jay Bruce, Cin
P - Zack Greinke

AL:
C - Joe Mauer, Minn
1B - Chris Davis, Balt
2B - Robinson Cano, NYY
SS - JJ Hardy, Balt
3B - Miguel Cabrera
OF - Mike Trout, LAA
OF - Torii Hunter, Det
OF - Adam Jones, Balt
DH - David Ortiz, Bos

Edgy MD
Nov 06 2013 07:36 PM
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Surprised they still do it with three outfielders at any position, rather than be more position-specific.

I'm going to award Bud Norris the highly coveted AL Pitcher Silver Slugger Stealth Award.

The National League DH Silver Slugger Stealth Award goes to Jordan Brown of the Marlins, I think. It was a rather pathetic performance, but he made 17 trips to the plate and got 5 RBI. But I"m not going to award that one.

Ashie62
Nov 06 2013 07:44 PM
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Gwreck wrote:
I don't actually know if you have to qualify for the batting title to be eligible for a silver slugger. As noted, Wright should win for third base regardless.

I tend to think its a popularity contest

Wright may very well have won but he did miss 2 months of the season..

MFS62
Nov 06 2013 09:45 PM
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Is fielding that much more important than hitting?
They give a Gold Glove award but only a Silver Slugger award.

Later

Edgy MD
Nov 07 2013 05:32 AM
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Hubie Brooks won it in with a half season in 1986, and it was the right choice.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 07 2013 10:41 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Surprised they still do it with three outfielders at any position, rather than be more position-specific.

They kindasorta did it that way in the NL, didn't they? (Cuddyer does play a good amount of LF, when Carlos Gonzalez isn't plying his reportedly-superlative trade there.)

I'm more concerned about the fact that the winning 3B not only got on base at a less than 30-percent clip (.296), but actually slugged less than the guy who should have won, and did so while sporting a haircut that would send a person with a better-developed sense of shame crying to his locker room.

Hell, Pirates blogs agree.

Edgy MD
Nov 07 2013 11:10 AM
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Oh, yeah, I agree. I just figured that was assumed.

I don't mean to say that the slugger awards can't and don't work to recognize one guy at each outfield position, but that they're not explicit about awarding one guy at each outfield position, and they perhaps should be, especially now that the Gold Glove Awards are distinguished as such.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 07 2013 11:36 AM
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Oh, I figured. Just wanted to punch the air a little.

And I agree. After all, what's the point in rewarding people for being the best at their position if you're, y'know, disregarding position. Hell, why not just name four first basemen to the "infield," then?

Ceetar
Nov 11 2013 06:43 PM
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BWAA mimics the earlier IBWAA announcement of Myers and Fernandez.

Hey look, who's that at the bottom?

Zvon
Nov 11 2013 06:54 PM
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Was waiting for word on this. Good choices. I thought Puig would get a few more votes. Wow, 4 Marlins have won this award now.

Ceetar
Nov 11 2013 07:07 PM
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Tomorrow is manager, which is really the most arbitrary of them all.

I went with Farrell and Hurdle.

Frayed Knot
Nov 11 2013 09:44 PM
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PLAYER TEAM 1st 2nd 3rd POINTS
Jose Fernandez Marlins 26 4 0 142
Yasiel Puig Dodgers 4 25 0 95
Shelby Miller Cardinals 0 1 9 12
Hyun-Jin Ryu Dodgers 0 0 10 10
Julio Teheran Braves 0 0 7 7
Jedd Gyorkko Padres 0 0 2 2
Nolan Arenado Rockies 0 0 1 1
Evan Gattis Braves 0 0 1 1

PLAYER TEAM 1st 2nd 3rd POINTS
Wil Myers Rays 23 5 1 131
Jose Iglesias Bos/Detroit 5 17 4 80
Chris Archer Rays 1 5 15 35
Dan Straily A’s 1 2 4 15
J.B. Shuck Angels 0 1 1 4
Cody Allen Indians 0 0 2 2
Martin Perez Rockies 0 0 2 2
David Lough Royals 0 0 1 1

Edgy MD
Nov 11 2013 10:03 PM
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Suprised Teheran is a rook. He's barely appeared in the bigs before this year, but the Mets saw him twice in 2011.

Homers are nice, but surely Laggy outperformed Gattis and Gyorko. Probably Teheran, too.

MFS62
Nov 11 2013 10:05 PM
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I have a weird feeling that among the NL-ers, Gattis will have the longest career.
As for the AL-ers, I'm not that familiar with any of them other than Myers and Iglesias.
How did Perez get on the AL list?
Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 12 2013 06:04 AM
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Actualmente, Perez is a Ranger.

Edgy MD wrote:
Homers are nice, but surely Laggy outperformed Gattis and Gyorko. Probably Teheran, too.

Joining you-- and most people who actually watched ballgames this year instead of looking at the Triple Crown columns on the stat sheet-- Fangraphs agrees.

Edgy MD
Nov 12 2013 07:12 AM
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How about that --- A.J. Pollock got even more scrod than Laggy, and it takes the stat geeks to argue for the importance of defense.

Frayed Knot
Nov 12 2013 07:35 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
I have a weird feeling that among the NL-ers, Gattis will have the longest career.

Really?!? Even in a part-timer/PH/DH kind of way I wouldn't bet on that.
Remember first of all that he's already 27 y/o, is barely a catcher and even less of an outfielder. The one thing that he has going for him is that nearly half his hits went for XBs but he also strikes out a lot, doesn't walk much [sub-.300 OBA], and was even demoted for a time during the season as pitchers adjusted to his first-pitch attacking bombs-away strategy. Even as a 1B-man/emergency catcher, which is probably where his future lies, that set of skills makes for a tough case as an everyday player.

MFS62
Nov 12 2013 07:41 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
MFS62 wrote:
I have a weird feeling that among the NL-ers, Gattis will have the longest career.

Really?!? Even in a part-timer/PH/DH kind of way I wouldn't bet on that.
Remember first of all that he's already 27 y/o, is barely a catcher and even less of an outfielder. The one thing that he has going for him is that nearly half his hits went for XBs but he also strikes out a lot, doesn't walk much [sub-.300 OBA], and was even demoted for a time during the season as pitchers adjusted to his first-pitch attacking bombs-away strategy. Even as a 1B-man/emergency catcher, which is probably where his future lies, that set of skills makes for a tough case as an everyday player.

I was thinking more like a Smokey Burgess forever kind of career (but far from as good). Some 1B, mostly PH, preach a little gospel, sell a coupla' bottles of Doctor Good. And the fact that he "can catch" keeps him around. I said "a weird feeling". Not based on anything other than my gut.

Later

Frayed Knot
Nov 12 2013 04:45 PM
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NL MOY = Hurdle, followed by Mattingly, then Fredi Gonzalez

Zvon
Nov 12 2013 05:27 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
NL MOY = Hurdle, followed by Mattingly, then Fredi Gonzalez

Hurdle deserves it.

Frayed Knot
Nov 12 2013 08:39 PM
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AL:
Francona - CLE (16 1st place votes)
Farrell - BOS (12)
Melvin - OAK (2)
Girardi - NYY
Maddon - TBR
Leyland - DET
Showalter - BAL
Washington - TEX
Yost - KCR

Only four managers hogged all the votes in the NL: Hurdle - Mattingly - Gonzalez - Matheny

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 12 2013 08:43 PM
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It's a little... something that the World Series champions' skipper/"engineer" of a 25-game turnaround didn't get this one, innit?

Zvon
Nov 12 2013 10:09 PM
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Francona? That's one I didn't see coming.

Edgy MD
Nov 13 2013 06:13 AM
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These votes are supposed to be filed before (and therefore without regard to the outcome of) the post-season, are they not?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 13 2013 07:12 AM
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Zvon wrote:
Francona? That's one I didn't see coming.

The opportunity to kick Bobby Vee one more time prolly took him over the top.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Nov 13 2013 07:25 AM
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OK, sportswriters. Justify those votes for Girardi!

As for Farrell. I think Bobby V gets partial credit for clearing out some of the clubhouse cancers and making it easier for Farrell. The BoSox's 25-game swing wasn't your typical 25 game swing, as the team has a monstrously huge payroll and has been very good, save for the one year, for more than a decade. Farrell gets points for righting the ship, but some of those other guys did a lot with a lot less.

metsmarathon
Nov 13 2013 09:09 AM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
OK, sportswriters. Justify those votes for Girardi!

keeping an overpaid injury-riddled team afloat for most of the season, i suppose. though the hallmarks of a good manager would have been to keep the team in contention after some of the guys started coming back to being healthy, instead of falling more apart.

Ceetar
Nov 13 2013 12:02 PM
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IBWAA:

NL Cy

1st Place: Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers
2nd Place: Adam Wainwright, St. Louis Cardinals
3rd Place: Jose Fernandez, Miami Marlins
4th Place: Matt Harvey, New York Mets
5th Place: Cliff Lee, Philadelphia Phillies

AL Cy

1st Place: Max Scherzer, Detroit Tigers
2nd Place: Yu Darvish, Texas Rangers
3rd Place: Chris Sale, Chicago White Sox
4th Place: Hisashi Iwakuma, Seattle Mariners
5th Place: Bartolo Colon, Oakland Athletics

Seem like the obvious two winners for the BBWAA too.

I went
Scherzer, Hernandez, Sale, Iwakuma, Sanchez
and
Kershaw, Wainwright, Lee, Bumgarner, Harvey

G-Fafif
Nov 13 2013 05:31 PM
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MH T-4 NL CYA.

Edgy MD
Nov 13 2013 05:46 PM
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If that's your vanity plate, you're an even bigger fan than I thought.

Cryptic, too!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 13 2013 06:00 PM
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Right? Philistine that I am, I just went with "NOOD SP."

Frayed Knot
Nov 13 2013 07:10 PM
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PLAYER 1st 2nd 3rd TOTAL
KERSHAW 29 1 0 207
WAINWRIGHT 1 15 4 86
FERNANDEZ 0 9 3 62
KIMBREL 0 4 1 39
HARVEY 0 1 8 39
LEE 0 0 6 32
ZIMMERMANN 0 0 6 21
GREINKE 0 0 2 18
BUMGARNER 0 0 0 3
LIRIANO 0 0 0 3

PLAYER 1st 2nd 3rd TOTAL
SCHERZER 28 1 1 203
DARVISH 0 19 3 93
IWAKUMA 0 6 12 73
SANCHEZ 1 1 3 46
SALE 1 0 5 44
COLON 0 2 3 25
UEHARA 0 1 2 10
HERNANDEZ 0 0 1 6
MOORE 0 0 0 4
HOLLAND 0 0 0 2
MOORE 0 0 0 4
SHIELDS 0 0 0 2

First back-to-back years of NO Yanx receiving votes since the early 1990s

G-Fafif
Nov 14 2013 05:39 PM
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NYM 0 NL MVP.

That is to say that in 2013, for the 19th time in the 52-year history of the New York Mets, not a single MVP vote was thrown a Met's way. The other years when BBWAA voters avoided voting the Metropolitan ticket:

1962, 1963, 1965, 1966, 1977*, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1992, 1993, 1995, 2002, 2003, 2004 & 2009.

*Tom Seaver received a 10th-place vote in 1977, more likely for his Reds than his Mets accomplishments, but he was a Met for part of 1977, so take that with a grain of hometown salt. (Carlos Beltran's MVP support in 2011 could be taken the same way.)

McCutchen won in the NL, Cabrera in the AL.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 14 2013 05:48 PM
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So the MVP count stands at:

Actual Trout 0
Slightly Poorer Man's Trout 1
Drinks Like A Trout/Has Likely Never Eaten An Unfried One 2

Zvon
Nov 14 2013 07:27 PM
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Trout will win his share. Probably win the next ten in a row. Glad McCuthenson got it.

Gwreck
Nov 14 2013 08:17 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
OK, sportswriters. Justify those votes for Girardi!

Vote breakdown here:
http://bbwaa.com/13-al-mgr/

2nd place votes from Andy McCullough and also Sheldon Ocker of the Akron Beacon Journal.
Five 3rd place votes including one from, you guessed it, Bill Madden.

dinosaur jesus
Nov 14 2013 10:18 PM
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I'm okay with Girardi getting some votes. He had less talent to work with than those other guys.

Ceetar
Nov 15 2013 07:42 AM
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my picks: IBWAA went with Cabrera and McCutchen too.

1 Mike Trout
2 Miguel Cabrera
3 Chris Davis
4 Josh Donaldson
5 David Ortiz
6 Robinson Cano
7 Max Scherzer
8 Felix Hernandez
9 Edwin Encarnacion
10 Adrian Beltre

1 Andrew McCutchen
2 Paul Goldschmidt
3 Joey Votto
4 Matt Carpenter
5 Troy Tulowitzki
6 Clayton Kershaw
7 Shin-Soo Choo
8 Freddie Freeman
9 Jayson Werth
10 Carlos Beltran

Edgy MD
Nov 15 2013 08:23 AM
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McCutchen is a revelation. I get the idea that he could excel at any sport --- football, basketball, tennis, table tennis, rhythm gymnastics, nok-hockey... . You know, if he transferred to cricket today, within two years he'd be the top cricketer on the planet.

Baseball is lucky to have him.

Ceetar
Nov 15 2013 08:28 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
McCutchen is a revelation. I get the idea that he could excel at any sport --- football, basketball, tennis, table tennis, rhythm gymnastics, nok-hockey... . You know, if he transferred to cricket today, within two years he'd be the top cricketer on the planet.

Baseball is lucky to have him.

Indeed. And he had a really good year last year too. I don't really care about the Pirates finally being relevant, but I'm glad he got his couple of games on the big stage, hopefully he becomes known as one of the stars of the game he is.

Edgy MD
Nov 15 2013 08:37 AM
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I think he's really the star. He's not as refined a hitter as some. But he's got a great all-round game and he's sure rounded off any rough edges the last two years. Funny that he lost 50 points off his slugging average from last year and lost his Gold Glove but went from third to first in MVP voting. Your team making the post-season sure makes you look good.

Great too that the Pirates wrapped him up early.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 15 2013 09:43 AM
Re: Post-Season Awards

He's not just good at everything-- he's great at a couple of things, too.

Love the glove, love the hair, love the legs, love the bat, love the smile, love the musk. He's my non-Met Recker.