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Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 29 2013 02:19 PM



Jeff Wilpon says Mets' hands aren't tied financially

GARFIELD, N.J. - As the Mets near the start of an offseason long considered to be critical in the team's rebuilding plan, chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon offered a glimpse into his team's priorities.

Speaking publicly for the first time since organizational meetings in Florida earlier this month, Wilpon reiterated Tuesday that the Mets will be free from the financial shackles that have stunted their efforts to add talent in recent years.

It remains to be seen just how much the Mets actually spend to revamp a team that finished with a losing record for the fifth straight season. But expiring contracts alone are expected to free up more than $40 million in payroll, signaling what the team insists is the end of an era marked by austerity.

"That's always been part of the plan, to use the money that's coming off the books and try and improve the team," said Wilpon, who spoke at the Boys & Girls Club, where he and other Mets employees helped to restore a building that was damaged a year ago during superstorm Sandy.

However, Wilpon also threw a curveball, saying that the Mets have a "logjam" of viable options at first base despite a season in which the position became a revolving door.

Both Ike Davis and Lucas Duda spent part of the season in the minors because of their struggles, throwing into question their immediate future with the team. Yet, Wilpon said the Mets did not offer a contract to power-hitting Cuban defector Jose Abreu, citing what he called a "glut" of first basemen.

"That didn't really seem like the point of need," Wilpon said of the highly touted Abreu, whom the White Sox signed to a six-year contract worth $68 million. "If he played left or rightfield, yeah, I think we probably would have offered the guy a contract."

Wilpon said other clubs have already shown interest in trading for one of the Mets' first basemen, reinforcing the expectation that either Davis or Duda will be dealt this winter.

Meanwhile, Wilpon identified four players -- David Wright and pitchers Dillon Gee, Zack Wheeler and Jon Niese -- as "the three or four that we're solidified on" heading into the offseason.

Teams will be free to negotiate with free agents five days after the World Series ends. General manager Sandy Alderson will be tasked with filling in the rest of the roster, which has clear holes in the outfield and the back end of the starting rotation.

"If the free agent doesn't present itself, is there a trade where you might pick up somebody else's larger-salary player and the swap out is the same thing?" Wilpon said. "I can't tell you which way it's going to go right now."

Wilpon spoke shortly after applying a fresh coat of paint to a refurbished game room at the Boys & Girls Club, which suffered water damage during superstorm Sandy. Mets staffers also assembled new furniture for the building, which functioned as a shelter in the aftermath of the storm.

Said Wilpon: "To have all the kids come in later to see all this stuff freshened up will be really neat."

Notes & quotes: The Mets soon expect to officially announce their new radio rights deal with WOR (710) . . . During organizational meetings in Florida earlier this month, the Mets came up with theories about their struggles at Citi Field the last three seasons though Wilpon said they found "no exact answer." . . . Wilpon called Matt Harvey's decision to undergo Tommy John surgery "the right move," even though he won't pitch again until 2015.


http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.6341513

Edgy MD
Oct 29 2013 02:22 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Worst thread title ever.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 29 2013 02:26 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

The interviewee barely left me any material to work with. He's about as articulate as Choo Choo Coleman.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 29 2013 02:36 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Dillon Gee: Solidified On

Edgy MD
Oct 29 2013 02:38 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

If Alderson showed up, it could have gone down as Sandy vs. Sandy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 29 2013 02:49 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

He's really Showing Us The Plan there.

1) Paint Boys & Girls Club

2) Trade a first baseman

3) Try to improve the team with money

d'Kong76
Oct 29 2013 02:51 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

For sanity sake, I refuse to read anything Jeff or Fred
have to say about anything.

Vic Sage
Oct 29 2013 03:15 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

excellent strategy, Kase. i concur.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 29 2013 03:20 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

I'm not at all impressed by the "glut" at first base. I hope the Mets don't really think that they're set at that position.

RealityChuck
Oct 29 2013 03:55 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

That's not what he's saying. The Mets have at least five possible first basemen in house: Duda, Davis, Satin, Flores, and even Murphy in a pinch. There was no way to know how Abreu will do in the majors; his numbers look good, but there's no way of assessing the competition. He may be a star, or he may not be appreciably better than the ones they have in-house. If Abreu turns out to be mediocre in the majors, it just complicates things.

Edgy MD
Oct 29 2013 04:36 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

He's clear that he doesn't consider them set at first. Of course he doesn't.

There's nothing particularly revelatory or objectionable here (save for the half-evasive "point of need" thing, which Chuck reasonably qualified). But folks have to file stories.

d'Kong76
Oct 29 2013 06:42 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.


I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody
says... like dumb... I'm smart...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 29 2013 06:53 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Edgy MD wrote:
Worst thread title ever.

I might have gone with Logjammin'.

Fman99
Oct 29 2013 07:13 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

I appreciate the metaphor of the Wilpons putting a fresh coat of paint on a waterlogged mess. Subtle.

Edgy MD
Oct 29 2013 08:34 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Winter reading.

MFS62
Oct 29 2013 10:10 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

If someone told Jeff that the best way to find players is to look within, he'd probably visit his Proctologist.

Later

Ashie62
Oct 30 2013 12:24 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Nothing in that short little interview to bother me..actually the opposite...

metirish
Oct 30 2013 06:13 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
I'm not at all impressed by the "glut" at first base. I hope the Mets don't really think that they're set at that position.



Me too.. not exactly Thome and Howard.

Ceetar
Oct 30 2013 06:43 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Edgy MD wrote:
But folks have to file stories.


Part of the reason the medium is dying. What is the value to the consumer of big-wigs saying meaningless sound bytes and 17 different, more if you count the bloggers that then repost the same nothing, newspapers writing it up?

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2013 07:17 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

I don't know, but if bloggers are re-posting it, it has value to somebody. And the bigger outlets are the only ones who can afford to keep a beat reporter or stringer showing up at stuff like a charity building rehab.

The greater issue is the ethics of everybody copying and pasting copyrighted info all over the net. I wish I had an answer there. But clearly Rubin is a model of the good contemporary beat reporter, producing a clickable story about every. Little. Thing.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 30 2013 07:31 AM
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It seems like every year there are some free agents who the scribes feel the Mets should fixate on, and then pummel them when they go elsewhere. Note that Wilpon is put in a defensive mode here about not signing an unproven Cuban defector for a position at which they are well-stocked and have much more pressing needs.

But the Mets don't sign them, the team is derided as failures and you get those "Player X rejected the Mets because they are a crappy organization."

What you don't get are the stories later, when it becomes clear that the team made the right move. Remember the frenzy last year over Michael Bourn? Who was the pitcher who we were allegedly chasing hard who ended up signing with Angels had a shitty season?

We don't see those "Mets made right call" stories.

MFS62
Oct 30 2013 07:37 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Bravo!

Later

seawolf17
Oct 30 2013 07:41 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
It seems like every year there are some free agents who the scribes feel the Mets should fixate on, and then pummel them when they go elsewhere. Note that Wilpon is put in a defensive mode here about not signing an unproven Cuban defector for a position at which they are well-stocked and have much more pressing needs.

But the Mets don't sign them, the team is derided as failures and you get those "Player X rejected the Mets because they are a crappy organization."

What you don't get are the stories later, when it becomes clear that the team made the right move. Remember the frenzy last year over Michael Bourn? Who was the pitcher who we were allegedly chasing hard who ended up signing with Angels had a shitty season?

We don't see those "Mets made right call" stories.

Not for nothing, but this is half of the reason why I don't know why anyone DOES sign in New York. It's a no-win situation. (The other half is the douchebaggery element of our fan base that still hates Carlos Beltran.)

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2013 07:46 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

metsguyinmichigan wrote:
It seems like every year there are some free agents who the scribes feel the Mets should fixate on, and then pummel them when they go elsewhere. Note that Wilpon is put in a defensive mode here about not signing an unproven Cuban defector for a position at which they are well-stocked and have much more pressing needs.

But the Mets don't sign them, the team is derided as failures and you get those "Player X rejected the Mets because they are a crappy organization."

What you don't get are the stories later, when it becomes clear that the team made the right move. Remember the frenzy last year over Michael Bourn? Who was the pitcher who we were allegedly chasing hard who ended up signing with Angels had a shitty season?

We don't see those "Mets made right call" stories.

Are you thinking of Tommy Hanson? Latest case of the Braves dealing high on pitching that.

Benjamin Grimm
Oct 30 2013 07:49 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Well, I wouldn't say that the Mets are "well-stocked" at first base. They have quantity, but not a lot of quality. And other needs may be more pressing, but not by such a wide margin.

The next four or five months might be very interesting. I'll be glad when the World Series gets out of the way and the off-season will get started in earnest. For someone like me, who has no interest at all in a postseason that doesn't include the Mets, October is the deadest month.

Ceetar
Oct 30 2013 08:02 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Edgy MD wrote:
I don't know, but if bloggers are re-posting it, it has value to somebody. And the bigger outlets are the only ones who can afford to keep a beat reporter or stringer showing up at stuff like a charity building rehab.

The greater issue is the ethics of everybody copying and pasting copyrighted info all over the net. I wish I had an answer there. But clearly Rubin is a model of the good contemporary beat reporter, producing a clickable story about every. Little. Thing.


well, it has value to bloggers in that it creates a thread on a site to keep Mets fans at to keep talking about the Mets, whether or not it's on topic. But really a "morning applesauce" thread has the same sort of effect.

You'd be surprised at how few beat reporters are showing up at charity building rehab stuff or what not.

Rubin's model is good for 'clickable' but maybe really what's needed in a reporter these days. Take the scorpion bite story that he blew out of proportion because it was something he could put on a page to get hits. The story persisted well past the original retraction and even past Rubin's (which I believe was in a different post, meaning you only saw it as a 'reader' of his site, not if you followed one of the original circulated links) correction because he decided to drum up something.

That's fine from a let's create noise and Mets chatter standpoint, because Mets fans will yammer on about anything, which was why his "Mets passed on Ortiz" tweet/post continued to generate buzz despite being about as stupid a tweet as you can make.

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2013 08:19 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

No, I wouldn't be surprised at the paucity of beat reporters at a charity event. To the rest of your post, I am struggling to suss out what you're getting at.

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2013 09:14 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Daily News runs with their own distortion:

Mets COO Jeff Wilpon says team has just quartet of solid players

Ceetar
Oct 30 2013 10:18 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Edgy MD wrote:
No, I wouldn't be surprised at the paucity of beat reporters at a charity event. To the rest of your post, I am struggling to suss out what you're getting at.


that there's a difference between value to consumer and value to producer. A lot of this stuff is simply generating traffic, but it's fluff content and empty calories creating a smokescreen. Execs are giving beat guys sound bytes so that they can write columns, and then they use those columns to generate questions to ask execs to generate more sound bytes to generate more columns.

Why? Because they have to? This is the same thing sports radio does. And yes, we're consuming it so that seems to imply that it must have value to us, but I disagree. I think if you replaced it all with something better no one would miss it. Maybe they should actually send beat reporters to more of the charity events and minor appearances. Hell, Harvey's appearance at a Rangers game generated at least as much buzz and interest as an overly digested spun Wilpon quote.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 30 2013 10:33 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Well, I wouldn't say that the Mets are "well-stocked" at first base.



Me neither.

Benjamin Grimm wrote:
They have quantity, but not a lot of quality. And other needs may be more pressing, but not by such a wide margin.


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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
The next four or five months might be very interesting. I'll be glad when the World Series gets out of the way and the off-season will get started in earnest. For someone like me, who has no interest at all in a postseason that doesn't include the Mets, October is the deadest month.


Same here,too.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 30 2013 10:43 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Mets’ Wilpon Says Only ‘3 Or 4’ Players On Solid Footing

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/30/ ... d-footing/

Between this headline and RealityChuck's post up above, I'm reminded of that old Bugs Bunny gag where the Japanese guy says like one or two words (in Japanese) yet the subtitles are like two paragraphs long.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 30 2013 11:07 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.



Jeff Wilpon says Mets' hands aren't tied financially



Speaking publicly for the first time since organizational meetings in Florida earlier this month, Wilpon reiterated Tuesday that the Mets will be free from the financial shackles that have stunted their efforts to add talent in recent years.


And another thing: Wasn't the Wilpon line that Alderson had permission to spend whatever he saw fit and that the Mets reduced payroll (reduced by an amount that was historical) was Sandy's decision?

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2013 11:18 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

I'm sure Sandy was free to spend money, within a context --- that it could be demonstrated that the money would come back to them in the short-term and stem their increasingly widening shortfalls. Priority one was to close the shortfall. Clearly they did it by cutting.

G-Fafif
Oct 30 2013 12:04 PM
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Jeff's non-pronouncement pronouncement brings to mind that Joe McDonald, in his first winter as GM, explicitly referred to only three Mets as "untouchable" -- Seaver, Matlack and Koosman. Then he traded approximately a third of the team.

Dickey took some heat over talking contract at a party geared to helping children affected by Sandy. Yet Jeff Wilpon gets a pass as he gabs about business at a Boys & Girls Club event intended to help victims of the storm. Clearly he's Teflon in the eyes of the fawning Wilponian press.

G-Fafif
Oct 30 2013 02:26 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Metstradamus figures out what's going on.

It's like Christmas...

... only in that it comes but once a year. But really, it's the exact opposite of Christmas. It's the day all hopes and dreams are taken away, by a man who by no means do you want coming down your chimney, or on your television sets.

Yes, it's the day that Jeff Wilpon emerges from his hole and sees his shadow, which means one more year of mediocrity.

On Tuesday, Jeff Kardashipon was at the Boys and Girls Club in Garfield for "Sandy Service Day". He was there "with other Mets personnel", which should excite any child if Jeff Wilpon is the most notable member of "Mets personnel" to show up at your event. "WOW! SAUL KATZ MADE A BALLOON INTO A POODLE AND GAVE IT TO ME ... at least it's supposed to be a poodle."

Seriously ... is everybody in Chile hunting doves?


But we all know why Lil' Jeffy was there ... because he of golden spoon can't help himself be the center of attention and have a media session about the state of the team. I mean, come on ... do you think the man who is addicted to photo ops was really there to paint a wall? Go to the link and look at the picture of Jeffy taken by Adam Rubin. He's painting a wall in a fleece, khakis, and loafers, with a look on his face which screams: "I need a minion for this". Nobody I know wears that to paint a wall. And what the kids will soon find out is that if Jeffy painted that wall with the same competence with which he performs other tasks, then kids who breathe near that wall will contract MRSA within a week!

But I digress. Let's hear what Skippy says about the state of the team ... specifically first base:

"There's probably a glut of first basemen. You can count five, if you wanted to. Something has got to happen there with the logjam. There's been some interest already. Where that interest goes and what that brings back, that you've to let play out a little bit. And it probably won't be until the GM Meetings [in mid-November] or maybe even the winter meetings [in December]."

On not pursuing Abreu, Wilpon added: "We've got five first basemen that could play it, and that didn't really seem like the point of need. If he played left or right field, I think we probably would have offered the guy a contract."

Chris Rock says that you could drive with your feet if you want to ... doesn't make it a good idea. You could also count five first basemen on the roster if you wanted to also. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to go into the season with the same mediocrity you've had forever. Hey, they're so good that you're trying to trade the top two for ten cents on the dollar!

Hence the notion that this season is already over. Because Jeff Wilpon thinks "we're good". Oh, and I'll believe that you would have offered Abreu a contract if he played the outfield when I see a Mets offer on the table for Shin Soo Choo, who also plays the outfield. Or any other outfielder for 11 million a year. Can't wait for your next excuse at your next photo op when that doesn't happen. Maybe you can plant a hibiscus in your silk prince's robe.

What else, pray tell?

Wilpon indicated the Mets are only fully pleased with four of the 25 spots on the roster: third base and three spots in the starting rotation. "I think three of the starting pitchers we're very pleased with -- [Jonathon] Niese, [Dillon] Gee and [Zack] Wheeler," Wilpon said. "That, along with David [Wright], I think would be the three or four we're solidified on."

I loved that this line was scrutinized as "OMG HE DIDN'T MENTION DANIEL MURPHY!!! TRADE COMING!!! WORLD ENDING!!!" Why do we fall for this every ... single ... year? First off, and I can't stress this enough: As much as Jeff Kardashipon wants to be the general manager of the team, he's not! And while he is the GM's direct supervisor, it doesn't make him qualified to have an informed opinion on personnel. That's why he hired a general manager. Because believe me, if Jeff Wilpon was at all qualified to make baseball decisions, then he would have an official title other than "Wannabe GM". But he's not, so he doesn't. (He's barely qualified to paint a wall.) That doesn't mean he hasn't made baseball decisions in the past. Though I'm sure any decision he's made behind the scenes and made his general manager take the fall for (cough, Kazmir, cough) was the wrong one.

For all we know, Jeff Wilpon omitted Daniel Murphy's name because he's forgotten Daniel Murphy is on the team!


The rest of Jeff Wilpon's quotes can die in a fire. I'm not going over them simply because I believe nothing this attention whore says. He's a main reason why this team is in the shape that it is in, and he needs to stop doing interviews. He probably needs to stop painting walls too.

I don't generally like to step out of character but I want to tell you an absolutely true story. I approached the CEO of a sports franchise to interview him. This person was there with another high ranking official, and it was at a legitimate sports event, not a staged photo op. Wanted to ask this person about the night's events. The very polite response: "This is his night and I don't want to steal his thunder."

Somebody could learn a little something.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 30 2013 02:32 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Two pages in and no one as photoshopped Dillon Gee into an Eliot Ness fedora and overcoat. Disappointed.

duan
Oct 30 2013 05:04 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Edgy MD wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
It seems like every year there are some free agents who the scribes feel the Mets should fixate on, and then pummel them when they go elsewhere. Note that Wilpon is put in a defensive mode here about not signing an unproven Cuban defector for a position at which they are well-stocked and have much more pressing needs.

But the Mets don't sign them, the team is derided as failures and you get those "Player X rejected the Mets because they are a crappy organization."

What you don't get are the stories later, when it becomes clear that the team made the right move. Remember the frenzy last year over Michael Bourn? Who was the pitcher who we were allegedly chasing hard who ended up signing with Angels had a shitty season?

We don't see those "Mets made right call" stories.

Are you thinking of Tommy Hanson? Latest case of the Braves dealing high on pitching that.

I'm thinking he's referencing the great Joel Pineiro pursuit of Winter 2009. Or was it Joe Blanton last year? was anyone actually saying that'd be a good idea?

Edgy MD
Oct 30 2013 06:48 PM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Metstradamus hurt my brain. Kardashipon?

Ceetar
Oct 31 2013 07:31 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

G-Fafif wrote:


Dickey took some heat over talking contract at a party geared to helping children affected by Sandy. Yet Jeff Wilpon gets a pass as he gabs about business at a Boys & Girls Club event intended to help victims of the storm. Clearly he's Teflon in the eyes of the fawning Wilponian press.


I believe Fred got criticized a couple of years ago for NOT discussing business during a UConn/SNY conference or something.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 01 2013 09:47 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.







Said Wilpon: "To have all the kids come in later to see all this stuff freshened up will be really neat."


http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... -1.6341513


Best quote of the interview. It's probably sanitized, too. Jeff probably said "And then I was like, to have all the kids come in later will be really neat. You know?"

metirish
Nov 01 2013 09:50 AM
Re: Dillon Gee: Untouchable.

Mar Simon and our own Ceetar are going on about David Murphy over on Twatter......Simon likes,Ceetar not so much.