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Let's talk about The Grandy Man
Mex17 Nov 08 2013 06:26 PM |
Might be the best pure power bat out there.
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smg58 Nov 08 2013 06:54 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
His home park makes that tough to gauge. I also think he overadjusted to his park to the point of diminishing returns. That being said, he could still be a nice asset for the right price. I'd go 3 and 45, but I doubt that's enough.
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Ashie62 Nov 08 2013 07:33 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
3 for 45 may not be grandiose enough..
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 08 2013 08:00 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
And at those prices... let's not talk about Curtis Granderson.
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metirish Nov 08 2013 08:05 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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This
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RealityChuck Nov 08 2013 08:40 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
At least we're not talking about the Melty Man. You never talk about the Melty Man.
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Zvon Nov 08 2013 09:42 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Ha. And it's not that I wouldn't like him on the team. Its just we all know the Mets won't be able to afford him. What's to talk about?
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Mex17 Nov 09 2013 04:44 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Let's split the baby and say 4 for 60. I disagree that this is too rich for the Mets. Let's assume that they have $40 million to spend (which is the high end of the estimates and what will bring them to their 2013 payroll). . . $15 for Granderson + $8 for Peralta (assuming) + $10 for the "veteran innings eater for the rotation" = $33 million. That leaves an additional $7 million for Hawkins and a veteran backup catcher. Throw in this Ike for Aoki trade that Sherman said might be possible and you add in an additional $1.5 million. None of that is impossible. Money notwithstanding, do you like Grandy in a corner spot? I would be hesitant to move the younger Lagares out of CF just to accomodate an older (and probably less athletic at this point. . .albeit not completely broken down) veteran who just expects to go into the position he has always played. What are the challenges for a centerfielder by trade moving into one of the corners?
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Frayed Knot Nov 09 2013 06:30 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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This is my fear too. In his younger/Detroit years he had a decent BA even though inept vs LHP, and was cutting down (somewhat) on his Ks as he aged after leading the league in his first full season. He then openly changed to a pull-happy approach in order to take advantage of the LL porch when he went to YSIII and the result was a jump to league-leading type of power (250 IsoP) but a K-rate which started to climb again plus a drop in BA & OBA despite vastly improved numbers vs LHPs. I'd hate to think of a guy trying to re-re-adjust at the age of 33 and who knows what the result would be if he did. If the Ks stay high (which they will - it's just a matter of high or REALLY high) but the BA & OBA remain only ordinary (.245/.345 w/Yanx and .231/.319 in 2012-13) while the 40 HRs/yr drops to more like 20 due to CitiField/aging/changed approach, his value is likely to fall well short of where the price tag will probably land. And he's not going to play CF here so you've got these declining skills for an aging guy with decent but not great defense at a corner OF spot.
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Mex17 Nov 09 2013 06:57 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Combined road splits for 2011 and 2012 (last two healthy seasons). . .
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Edgy MD Nov 09 2013 07:51 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
It's probably not about affording. The Mets are likely to go big on somebody. But do you really want it to be this guy?
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 09 2013 09:10 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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In the Daily News, Andy Martino suggests that the Mets have been talking about Granderson:
I'd hate to sign a soon-to-be-33 player coming off an injured season for more than three years, but I suspect that he'll be able to get four years or even five from somebody. I don't expect that Granderson will be a Met, but I guess it is a possibility.
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Ceetar Nov 09 2013 09:22 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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I don't know. I think they need to go big on someone, after only going for the "right deals" in the past and often missing out, but I'm not sure about Curtis. Particularly directly from the Yankees. Can we just pretend he was injured the last couple of years and is coming from the Tigers 100% healthy? On the other hand, I have no problem with them considering and maybe driving up the price for the Yankees. Looking at the numbers, he missed parts of last season and the year before was bad despite the extra home runs. Does that warrant a discount? Going into his age 33 season.. He's a high strikeout guy, but that's not horrible. He's fast and is good on defense. I think he might from a skills standpoint be a good fit though. Perhaps Hudgens gets him to be a little more 'wait for your pitch' and he takes a few more walks to make up for the HRs he'll lose. Mets maximized baserunning value and his speed gives him more value to maximize.. If the Mets do choose to carry no-bat-at-this-time Lagares, you could probably play Duda's bat in LF to make up for it, knowing that the other two CF will take away some of the ground he needs to cover. And this is mostly worthless, but I think he's a pretty good guy too.
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Frayed Knot Nov 09 2013 10:11 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Not sure I'd define 27% more at home v on road as "fairly equitable". Then throw in the idea that CitiField might mean a 10% or so decline - meaning that 84 over two seasons (H=47 + R=37) turns into maybe 70 (H=33 + R=37) and that's even if there's not a decline due to age, injury, surrounding line-up, league change, sun spots, whatever.
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 09 2013 10:37 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
This is grand. The media deliberates on whether it's sound for the team from NY that won't finish in first place next season, and probably won't even win half of its games to sign a 33 year outfielder that, despite his flaws, is aces over anyone else they have. And they probably can't afford him anyway.
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Ashie62 Nov 09 2013 10:56 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Which team is that?
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Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 09 2013 11:13 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I think I've posted about my experiences with Granderson. He's a very classy guy.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 09 2013 03:08 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I'd be all for a 1-year "make-good" type of deal but he's already got that on the table from the MFYs. He should probably take that.
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 10 2013 07:50 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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From 2011-2013 Granderson hit 42 road HR's in 730 AB's. No current Met has hit as many road HR's as Granderson has over that period. Coincidentally, David Wright also has exactly 730 AB's from 2011-2013: Wright has 29 road HR's in that period. Rate-wise, Ike Davis's road HR pace is close to Grandy's (29 HR in 512 road AB's). Barring any other additions, Granderson would appear to be the Mets best HR hitter, Citi Field or no Citi Field. If the stadium is gonna reduce CG's home HR's, then it's probably already reducing the home HR rates of some current Mets. And to the extent HR's at Citi Field are scarce, that just makes 'em more valuable anyway. So should the Mets sign The Grandy Man? Beats me. If the goal is a shortsighted one to win as many games as possible next season at any cost, then yeah ... why not? Just sign the best players out there. If the main goal is to sign a player that'll make significant contributions to a pennant contending team, then I'd pass. CG turns 34 next year, and the Mets are probably at least another year or two from serious contention. Grandy'll probably suck by the time the Mets are ready for prime time. This post naturally assumes that the Mets can afford CG. Not that they'd ever admit to not being able to afford him if they don't sign him. They've got an unlimited number of plausible deniablilty excuses for not signing CG or any other free agent. And those excuses might even be true. But how would we know?
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Frayed Knot Nov 10 2013 08:28 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Not sure what your point is here.
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MFS62 Nov 11 2013 07:04 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I look at him as the wrong guy for the right reasons.
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Lefty Specialist Nov 11 2013 07:11 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Not the person you want to build around for the future. His biggest asset will be minimized by Citi. Pass.
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2013 09:34 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Among other points, mainly that Grandy would be the Mets best HR hitter, based on the numbers. Of course, he'll be 34 next season and is coming off an injury that cost him more than half of 2013. George Foster and Jason Bay also came to the Mets as not only their best HR hitter, but as one of the best HR hitters in all of baseball.
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2013 09:39 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Carlos Delgado was 34 in his first year as a Met, and he worked out very well.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2013 09:58 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
He was on steroids of course.
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2013 10:53 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Yeah, I guess I overlooked that.
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 08:50 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1515001
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Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 10:29 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Rubicon is running with the Mets interest in Granderson being overstated.
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Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2013 11:08 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
The Daily News had something this morning (can't find it online) saying that according to hittrackeronline, all but nine of Granderson's last 91 homers would have gone out of Citi Field.
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Ceetar Nov 13 2013 11:35 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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well, would be different road parks too. And you can never really account for the wind differences (never mind the pitcher differences) in these comparisons. But I do believe that Granderson's power wouldn't suddenly vanish in Citi Field. I'm warming to the idea of Curtis more and more.
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Vic Sage Nov 13 2013 11:42 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
it's just money, and it's not mine. if you're as flush as you say, Freddie, then sign him.
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metirish Nov 13 2013 11:46 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Numbers and $$ aside, did he attain true Yankee status?
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batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 11:46 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Agree. Besides, Granderson should be a huge upgrade over any other current Mets outfielder, barring a significant decline. He'd be their best outfielder, and best home run hitter. I still doubt the Mets'll win half their games next year but that probably won't be Granderson's fault.
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Ashie62 Nov 13 2013 11:55 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Nah.. we're safe...
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Mex17 Nov 16 2013 02:46 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
This is worth noting, and encouraging. . .
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Frayed Knot Nov 16 2013 04:06 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
The question about Granderson is whether he can re-adjust his approach and return to being more of the Reyes-like gap hitter w/speed and .360-ish OBA that he was during his peak years in Detroit prior to quite intentionally changing to a more pull-happy mode when he started playing half his games in YSIII that dropped his BA nearly 30 points ... and whether he can do all that starting at age 33.
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Zvon Nov 16 2013 04:33 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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I agree with this but also want them to spend as wisely as ever. Grandy would not be an unwise move. If they can pull him in, sure, yea, go for it. Gimme something to watch next season.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 16 2013 04:51 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
The thing that seems to be lost on those having the what-the-last-three-year's-home-runs-would-have-been analysis-type discussions is that the Mets would not be paying for the last three years, but the next 3-4, pricier and well after the onset of his decline phase.
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Mex17 Nov 17 2013 08:45 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Another advantage to signing Granderson is that, by taking the prime lefthanded power bat off of the market, you then increase the trade market for the two lefthanded power bats that you are shopping around yourself.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2013 07:14 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Reports say Granderson and Alderson met with each other yesterday.
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MFS62 Dec 04 2013 07:54 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Matthew Cerrone ? @ matthewcerrone
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Vic Sage Dec 04 2013 08:36 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I'd be ok with 3 years for Grandy. but yes, they should let him go to any team that offers 4. He's already in decline, and while he'll be useful for a few more years, after that he will be a destabilizing burden for a small-market team like the Mets.
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Edgy MD Dec 04 2013 08:44 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
That kind of runs against your "it's just money, and it's not mine" comment above, though.
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MFS62 Dec 04 2013 08:53 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
With the Ellsbury signing, there are going to be a lot of people whispering in Sandy's ear (press, fans) to get something done quickly. But I don't think he'll listen/ feel/ respond to any pressure.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2013 10:03 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Neither, for one? Gun to head, I'm going Beltran for rational (I've got them about the same in terms of player value, Beltran's primary deficiency is buffered by the other defenders we'd have in the field with him) and irrational (c'mon) reasons. Also... given the declining both have been going through, Beltran seems a little like the more stable bet at this point, more likely to stay what he has been over the last season or two, or a reasonable approximation thereof.
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Frayed Knot Dec 04 2013 10:43 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Granderson for four is a better idea than Beltran for three [as is Granderson x 3 > Beltran x 2]
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Edgy MD Dec 04 2013 10:55 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Yeah, while Beltran's bet is probably more reliable and less likely to degrade precipitously, his knee is a miracle of science and one quick jump away from exploding on him.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2013 11:07 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Not to put too fine a point on it but I think Beltran actually wrote that "We are never ever getting back together" song and sold it to Miley Cyrus or whoever sings it. There's just no way he comes back and I think very little chance we even ask about it. He just won't.
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Ceetar Dec 04 2013 11:12 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Beltran's been on record saying he'd come back to the Mets though. The older player doesn't really fit with the Mets this/next year, but I'd love to see him here.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2013 11:14 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I'd be okay with a fourth year for Granderson. It's not ideal, but it seems that you have to take a risk on the back end of a contract to land some free agents. Sometimes it kills you, but sometimes it doesn't. You just have to hope that the early years of the contract are good enough to offset the last year or so.
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Edgy MD Dec 04 2013 11:16 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
With regard to Beltran, I was just doing a thought experiment there. Wanted to use him to measure just how tough a risk that fourth year to Granderson was.
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Vic Sage Dec 04 2013 11:18 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Granderson; and the "it's just money" is based on my philosophy, not the Wilpons. So knowing that, paying Grandy $15m 4 years from now will cripple this team because, unlike the Yanks, they won't just eat it and move on. In the abstract, or in a universe where the Mets are operating as a big-market team that can survive its burdensome contracts, then yes, Granderson for 4.
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Centerfield Dec 04 2013 11:29 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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You should see how hot the chicks are in that universe. OMG.
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dinosaur jesus Dec 04 2013 12:11 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Please, no. He's just not that good. Certainly not anymore.
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Edgy MD Dec 04 2013 12:27 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
And frankly, he's just not that into you.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2013 12:35 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Things are starting to get "intense".
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metirish Dec 04 2013 12:41 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Ugh .....useless "stat"
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dinosaur jesus Dec 04 2013 01:04 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 04 2013 01:05 PM |
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We had some good times, me and Curtis. But it's time to move on. I don't even want to talk about me and Carlos.
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Zvon Dec 04 2013 01:33 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
If the Mets are going to make a splash this off season they better go for it while there are still some big fish in the pool.
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Ashie62 Dec 04 2013 02:01 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Red Sox may pursue Granderson per Crasnick ESPN
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2013 02:12 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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There are photographs and ticket stubs and scorecards, man. Of course, he's also a proven bed-shitter in New York.
But, see, that makes sense if you're not just hoping but planning to contend over the course of those first two years. Whatever Granderson contributes-- assuming it's not a highly-degraded version of what he's contributed over the last 2-3 years-- probably won't be the difference between a playoff spot and no playoff spot. And that makes eating that smelly, smelly back end so much more repugnant.
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Ashie62 Dec 04 2013 02:31 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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The dance chairs are filling..I suggest you get with the Granderson vibe..ok?? lol
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Edgy MD Dec 04 2013 02:35 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Sooner or later, they gots to lay their money down, though, right? Or else you won't invest because the chances you have suggest team isn't worth investing in. Which it isn't, because you won't invest.
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Ceetar Dec 04 2013 02:43 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I'm not necessarily petrified of Granderson's age 36th season if we did give him that 4th year.
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Ashie62 Dec 04 2013 04:03 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Granderson sid he enjoyed the salmon at lunch...
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Ashie62 Dec 04 2013 04:04 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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If Granderson comes aboard we can likely kiss Muffy goodbye...
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2013 04:27 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Huh? What? Huh?
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Ashie62 Dec 04 2013 04:35 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Grandy in LF Lagares CF Young RF.....Young Jr. to 2b Muffy traded?
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Frayed Knot Dec 04 2013 05:06 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
If Murphy gets dealt (and he very well might) it'll be because he's the better trade bait and will bring back something to fill another hole; I don't see him being dealt simply to hand EY Jr. the 2B job.
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 04 2013 05:34 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Like the Mets have anyone better than Granderson that can play the outfield. And if he should suck three years from now, what with him being 31 and all right now, maybe three years from now, the Mets can start acting like the big boy franchise from New York City that they're supposed to be, and just dump Granderson for the next big thing. They surely have no problem charging their fans about the highest ticket prices in the National League.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 04 2013 08:17 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I'll say this: he appears to be a real standup guy, charming and generous and thoughtful (he was one of the first players to regularly write/maintain a blog), and it would be a pleasure to be wrong about the presumed Bayishness of a multiyear/big AAV deal with him, should he come our way on one.
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Nymr83 Dec 04 2013 09:48 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
You know who was a better, and younger, hitter than Granderson in the 3 years before the Mets overpaid him? Jason Bay. and that is what I think this contract would look like by year 3.
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Frayed Knot Dec 04 2013 10:02 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
So because Bay failed we're to assume that all future FA signings will follow the same path, or is there something in particular here that connects these two specific players?
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2013 10:24 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Yeah, I'm sure Grandy on some level could disappoint but let's see some evidence he's about to, beyond the coincidence of having similar profile to Bay.
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Frayed Knot Dec 05 2013 07:09 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
The latest (acc to Martino at the Snooze):
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MFS62 Dec 05 2013 07:17 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I see Boston being competitive in this now that they don't have to pay Ellsbury and need a center fielder.
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Frayed Knot Dec 05 2013 07:42 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Boston has prospect Jackie Bradley Jr. tagged as their potential CF of the future so if they're signing Granderson is likely to be as a corner OF to pair with Victorino. This past season the opposite corner was handled by a combination of Daniel Nava, Jonny Gomes, & Mike Carp
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Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 05 2013 08:12 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I confess my only fear is this nagging wonder why the MFYs, apparently with more money than they can spend intelligently, didn't try to re-sign him.
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metsmarathon Dec 05 2013 08:35 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
because they liked ellsbury better perhaps...?
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2013 08:40 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Yeah, I mean, the obvious extension of that logic is to fall into "We shouldn't do this because if it was such a good idea, somebody else would have done it, so let's not do it or anything else."
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Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 05 2013 09:07 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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I never said we shouldn't do it. I think he's an outstanding player and an obvious upgrade from anyone in our outfield -- and probably any hitter on the roster not named Wright. A super-nice guy when I interviewed him. I'm just wondering why the MFYs are willing to let him walk when they could obviously afford him. Don't they have people like Ichiro in their outfield?
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metsmarathon Dec 05 2013 09:11 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
they have ichiro and (a practically free) soriano in addition to the undervalued brett gardner.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2013 09:15 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I know you didn't say it. I'm extending the reasoning.
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dinosaur jesus Dec 05 2013 09:32 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
The smartest person in the room doesn't sign Granderson.
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Ceetar Dec 05 2013 09:37 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Yeah, but Granderson is the best OF of those, so really they're weaker. Maybe the Sox are hurt by losing Ellsbury, or maybe it's something they already planned for. Maybe the Yankees are just banking on saving A-Rod's $20+ million. Maybe they're confident they can resign Cano, see that as the harder to lock down position, and didn't want to just re-sign everyone.
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metsmarathon Dec 05 2013 09:43 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
yes, of course, the yankees would be a better tem if they re-signed granderson and cano, and also signed ellsbury.
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Ceetar Dec 05 2013 09:48 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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It's fair, but what if it means losing Cano? For a team bleeding fans, does losing your best player and signing a hated enemy bring those people back (well yeah, if they win I guess)
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2013 10:04 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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What about for the right price at the right time in the right market? I mean, who did he kill? There's always a time to say yes. There's always a time to say no. I don't think Granderson is a hated enemy.
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Frayed Knot Dec 05 2013 10:10 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Boston made, at best, a weak effort to retain Ellsbury (see Reyes & Mets) and were pretty much resigned to seeing him go (see: Bradley, Jackie). That he wound up w/the Yanx certainly wasn't part of their plan but they don't really have any control over that except to over-pay him themselves which they clearly didn't want to do.
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Benjamin Grimm Dec 05 2013 10:22 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
And even if we decide to concede that the Yankees are the smartest team in the universe, and that Ellsbury is better than Granderson, well... Ellsbury is off the table. It's too late for the Mets to sign him. That doesn't mean that Granderson isn't the second best available outfielder in the universe.
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Frayed Knot Dec 05 2013 10:46 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
btw, the projected MFY starting OF for next season: Ellsbury, Suzuki & Gardner, [u:1s7n3gau]combined for[/u:1s7n3gau] 24 HRs last year and just 37 over the previous two seasons.
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dinosaur jesus Dec 05 2013 10:49 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
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Well, yeah, for the right price. I'm just afraid the right price is way below what they're going to pay. I don't hate him, not at all. I just don't think he's that good a player. At this point in his career he's got one asset, home run power. Sure, he'd still be an upgrade. But is he really the best option out there? I'm not suggesting anyone else, I'm just asking.
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Edgy MD Dec 05 2013 10:54 AM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
I don't know if he's the best player out there (Cano is, probably), but somebody eventually is going to to decide he's the best risk for the money.
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Ashie62 Dec 05 2013 03:52 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
Everybody likes to buy their toys..
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batmagadanleadoff Dec 05 2013 08:10 PM Re: Let's talk about The Grandy Man |
How the hell do I know if the Mets should sign Granderson? If I had a crystal ball, the last thing I'd be doing is posting on this forum.
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