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Gwreck Nov 11 2013 02:32 PM

From the "not a good idea department:" http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... ge-jerseys "Military Mondays" with free tickets to servicemen and women? Great. This jersey? Horrible. I'd gladly donate to a military-related charity if they just didn't wear it.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2013 02:34 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Of course, Jay Horwitz looks good in anything.

Ceetar Nov 11 2013 02:40 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Gwreck wrote: "Military Mondays" with free tickets to servicemen and women? Great. . Like they didn't do this stuff already without inflicting it on the actual game. There are plenty of opportunities to use your status of being a major league baseball team for good and for promotion of good causes without mixing it with the actual game. But fine, let's get more silly stuff going then. Can we get spiderman uniforms for the next movie release? cause that'd be neat. But it's only 5 games at least.

Zvon Nov 11 2013 02:43 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Could be worse. [url]http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/west-virginia-camo-baseball-uniforms.jpg But those are awful. Another jersey to sell but who on earth is gonna buy one of those?

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2013 02:43 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

It's one thing for a military town like San Diego to do their deal once a week. This, on the other hand, has the smell of doing it for political correctness/pr reasons (Watch Us Care!!) There are enough ways to honor vets without (literally) wearing it on your sleeves. And I'm sure that replicas of the jerseys will be available for sale in the lobby on your way out.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2013 02:44 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Gwreck wrote: Honestly, I'm not a shill. I'm the hardest working guy in baseball!

Edgy MD Nov 11 2013 02:49 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

"Hi, Joan. It's Fred Wilpon." "Hi, Fred." "We wanted you to know. We're un-retiring number 14." "You're WHAT?!" "Yeah, you know. For Jay Horwitz." "Oh, well, you should have told me that up front. You've got to take care of Jay."

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2013 02:52 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Ceetar wrote: Gwreck wrote: "Military Mondays" with free tickets to servicemen and women? Great. . Like they didn't do this stuff already without inflicting it on the actual game. There are plenty of opportunities to use your status of being a major league baseball team for good and for promotion of good causes without mixing it with the actual game. But fine, let's get more silly stuff going then. Can we get spiderman uniforms for the next movie release? cause that'd be neat. But it's only 5 games at least. Wait a second! There's something about the Mets you don't like? Did you just criticize something Metly?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2013 02:54 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

If I were the Mets, I'd wanna camouflage myself.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 11 2013 03:04 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I don't have a problem with them, and I think it's nice that the team is doing something nice for the military. Now, what name is that on the back of that jersey? We can see the stitching through the collar. That doesn't say "Hodges."

Zvon Nov 11 2013 03:07 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsguyinmichigan wrote: I don't have a problem with them, and I think it's nice that the team is doing something nice for the military. Now, what name is that on the back of that jersey? We can see the stitching through the collar. That doesn't say "Hodges." Yes. Hodges W/a "Y".

Ceetar Nov 11 2013 03:09 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: Gwreck wrote: "Military Mondays" with free tickets to servicemen and women? Great. . Like they didn't do this stuff already without inflicting it on the actual game. There are plenty of opportunities to use your status of being a major league baseball team for good and for promotion of good causes without mixing it with the actual game. But fine, let's get more silly stuff going then. Can we get spiderman uniforms for the next movie release? cause that'd be neat. But it's only 5 games at least. Wait a second! There's something about the Mets you don't like? Did you just criticize something Metly? Beer selection is subpar as well.

G-Fafif Nov 11 2013 03:14 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I was worried for a few minutes that the Mets didn't love America. Glad they cleared that up.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2013 03:22 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

But just to be clear, they still can't wear the emergency responder caps on September 11, because somehow --- among the Mets, MLB, New ERA, and the MLBPA --- nobody yet has hired somebody smart enough to clear up any possible conflicts there.

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2013 03:22 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I was worried for a few minutes that batmags didn't love The Mets. Glad he cleared that up.

themetfairy Nov 11 2013 03:25 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Let me see David Wright model the camo jersey before I render final judgment. As for buying one, no. I know this is shallow, but I think I'd look horrible in that pattern.

TransMonk Nov 11 2013 03:29 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Yuck. Those are ugly. Do a portion of the proceeds from these jersey sales support vets or troops in any way? Doesn't look like it from what I can see. Looks like this idea is as much about supporting the Wilpons as it is about supporting the troops.

Ceetar Nov 11 2013 03:31 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

TransMonk wrote: Yuck. Those are ugly. Do a portion of the proceeds from these jersey sales support vets or troops in any way? Doesn't look like it from what I can see. Looks like this idea is as much about supporting the Wilpons as it is about supporting the troops. Sounds like it's just an alt, but they do support Veterans already via the Welcome Back Veterans thingy, I don't know if this will end up enhancing that, but it seems like that's the goal. Edgy MD wrote: But just to be clear, they still can't wear the emergency responder caps on September 11, because somehow --- among the Mets, MLB, New ERA, and the MLBPA --- nobody yet has hired somebody smart enough to clear up any possible conflicts there. Don't want them to wear those either, but it does seem like if they can do this, they should be able to do that. Although at least these are Mets jerseys.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2013 03:37 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The only way this can come out as a cynical way to directly further enwealthen the Wilpon clan is if they manage to sell more tickets on Mondays. Seems perhaps just as likely that they'll lose money, as the promotion involves granting complimentary tickets to U.S. military personnel with an active or retired military identification and up to three other guests.

TransMonk Nov 11 2013 05:21 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Average Monday home attendance was 27,187 in 2013 - 65% of capacity...plenty of seats to spare. Also, it's another jersey option and jerseys don't sell cheap.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 11 2013 05:30 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I didn't know that the military was broke and that the Pentagon needed baseball's money. Besides, don't they just print more money whenever they need it? If the Mets really wanted to help out, why not a Soup Kitchen Saturday? The homeless could get in for free on select Saturdays (with proof of homelessness, obviously) and receive free soup and potato chips. Maybe the Mets'll even let Paul Lukas's readers design the Soup Kitchen Saturday Mets unis.

Zvon Nov 11 2013 05:35 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I'm not totally against the thought of camo. There are some kool camo patterns out there. This isn't one of them. This looks like puke. Does look good on Jay though.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2013 06:10 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

TransMonk wrote: Average Monday home attendance was 27,187 in 2013 - 65% of capacity...plenty of seats to spare. Also, it's another jersey option and jerseys don't sell cheap. Unless they sell at a CitiField store, giving the Mets a chunk of the markup, doesn't all MLB-licensed merchandise revenue get otherwise shared?

d'Kong76 Nov 11 2013 06:19 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2013 06:21 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Edgy MD wrote: TransMonk wrote: Average Monday home attendance was 27,187 in 2013 - 65% of capacity...plenty of seats to spare. Also, it's another jersey option and jerseys don't sell cheap. Unless they sell at a CitiField store, giving the Mets a chunk of the markup, doesn't all MLB-licensed merchandise revenue get otherwise shared? To a point, yes. Each team has some sort of area in which they can own outlets and keep the profits - it's why NYM stores sell other teams stuff as well, so they can make money off of their stuff as well as any other team gear. Such outlets would obviously include stores within CitiField but others in the NYC area as well. But outside of those little exclusivity zones and for sales via licensed retailers (Modell's et al) the revenues generated from merchandising is split 30 ways.

A Boy Named Seo Nov 11 2013 07:45 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I wish those jerseys worked better.

Ashie62 Nov 11 2013 08:28 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Those are just butt ugly, well intended or not...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 11 2013 08:44 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

There are many, many, many better ways-- efficacy-wise and aesthetics-wise-- for a sports team/potential jersey-purchaser to assist or pay homage to veterans.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 11 2013 08:57 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Edgy MD wrote: But just to be clear, they still can't wear the emergency responder caps on September 11, because somehow --- among the Mets, MLB, New ERA, and the MLBPA --- nobody yet has hired somebody smart enough to clear up any possible conflicts there. This is an interesting point. When they couldn't wear the first responders caps on the field, there was all kinds of angry responses here. So they find a way to honor folks, and there are still all kinds of criticism. Are we at a point where we are so discouraged that we will rip on them no matter what they do?

Frayed Knot Nov 11 2013 09:05 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Are we at a point where we are so discouraged that we will rip on them no matter what they do? No, I think folks here are at a point where they're discouraged when the team is prevented from doing something that was both spontaneous and unique to them and yet jumps on board when a generic 'tribute' is arranged as part of a league-wide promotion because it can sell more licensed gear.

Ceetar Nov 11 2013 09:07 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: There are many, many, many better ways-- efficacy-wise and aesthetics-wise-- for a sports team/potential jersey-purchaser to assist or pay homage to veterans. yes, you can just make EVERYTHING pink for an entire month. That's really the only good way to do it.

Edgy MD Nov 11 2013 09:28 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

In fair fairness, it's not about veterans per se, as the associated promotion isn't for vets, but for active duty or retired military personnel. And unless I'm wrong, it takes 20 years of service to earn the "retired" designation. They just chose Veteran's Day to launch it, which may or may not have been wise.

Lefty Specialist Nov 13 2013 06:43 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

God, those are awfully ugly. You know, it's possible to honor the military without trying to look like them. Like giving returning veterans a job. Pardon my soapbox, but these are like the magnetic yellow ribbons people put on their cars after 9/11. A meaningless exercise which creates the appearance of giving a crap. (Apologies in advance for anyone who did, but those always annoyed me.) It's like the pink shoes in football. Like Richie Incognito gave a crap about breast cancer. Okay, off the soapbox, running and hiding.

HahnSolo Nov 13 2013 07:21 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Don't like em all that much. I suppose I wouldn't be bothered so much with a 1-time event, but five home games????

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 07:26 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Again, this promotion isn't about veterans per se. But from my observation over the last 32 years, I'd guess that veterans' causes rival only the University of Michigan among Fred Wilpon's personal favorite beneficiaries, whatever his faults. And MLB's broader efforts on behalf of veterans have largely been driven by Wilpon's initiative. That's my observation, anyhow. http://metsmerizedonline.com/2010/07/we ... ilpon.html

Vic Sage Nov 13 2013 08:22 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Personally, I find the orchestrated public displays of "patriotism for profit" not only embarrassing but insulting. That being said, i also find the metro-sexual obsession some fans have over the stylishness (or lack thereof) of our team's uniforms to be almost (but certainly not quite) as tedious. Actually, I think they should bring back those sci-fi uniforms from a few years back. And maybe use those ChiSox softball jerseys once in a while. We should consider reviving the Astros starburst-rainbow pattern, while we're at it, since the Stros seem to have abandoned it. Frankly, I'd love to see a game where the guys play in white-tie-and-tails... that would be elegant. And how about a "naked day"? i bet they could charge a lot for those tickets and show the game on pay-per-view. But they shouldn't let the fans be naked. Have you seen our fans? Eww, gross. The only solution, really, is to have the team's uniform made in the pattern of an orange and blue Rorschach Test, so everybody can see what they want to in it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 08:33 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I think the thing that bothers me most about this is the fact that the Mets once again are doing what some other team did better 5+ years ago and passing it off as an innovation. I am in favor of whatever the Mets/MLB charities can do to reduce the worsening epidemic of fucked-up veterans but they needn't make a spectacle of themselves to do it. Or maybe they do, I dunno. Maybe we should stop engaging in wars.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 08:43 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think the thing that bothers me most about this is the fact that the Mets once again are doing what some other team did better 5+ years ago and passing it off as an innovation. I am in favor of whatever the Mets/MLB charities can do to reduce the worsening epidemic of fucked-up veterans but they needn't make a spectacle of themselves to do it. Or maybe they do, I dunno. Maybe we should stop engaging in wars. I'm a big supporter of creating no more veterans. Mets have probably been been at the front of support, if you can really measure those things, with the inviting service people to games and honoring one a game and my cousin's husband was on the field for Opening Day colors a couple of years ago as a Coast Guarder. Edgy's probably right, this has a lot more to do with Wilpon and his Welcome Back Veteran's foundation. It's not the Mets so much copying things that happened 5+ years ago, because Fred was probably a big part of pushing those things then and now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 08:50 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The uniform, I'm talking about. San Diego's been doing it forever. The Mets in the meantime lack the courage to do anything innovative or original or meaningful on their own (the service department hats for example) and wait instead to follow someone else's lead on a uniform tweak.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 08:54 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The Mets in the meantime lack the courage to do anything innovative or original or meaningful on their own (the service department hats for example) and wait instead to follow someone else's lead on a uniform tweak. Stadiums too. Not just uniforms.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 09:00 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Yes. It's not even accurate to say they lack the courage of their convictions because that requires us to believe they have convictions to begin with.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 09:01 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The uniform, I'm talking about. San Diego's been doing it forever. The Mets in the meantime lack the courage to do anything innovative or original or meaningful on their own (the service department hats for example) and wait instead to follow someone else's lead on a uniform tweak. The service dept hats were original and meaningful originally. Doing it now would be the same as these uniforms are. A "look at us, we're patriotic!" display. But 99.9% of all these things things in sports are copying someone else. It's not just the Mets. 1 time in a 1000 someone does something neat and then everyone copies it for all eternity.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 09:04 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I disagree with just about all of that.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 09:11 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I disagree with just about all of that. Well, what original ideas are other teams trotting out there regularly? I don't find myself stumbling upon "woah, that's neat." a lot during road broadcasts. Booming nightclub in LF? Does that count?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 09:26 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

For god sakes Ceets, just look at anything the Mets do and you can trace it back to someone else's idea. Black unis. Camo unis. Their ballpark. There's hardly a thing the Mets do that is in the least bit innovative or unique unto themselves anymore and much of what did distinguish them (banners, service dept hats, their 1960s heritage) has largely been ignored and/or forgotten. They were polling fans on whether they should have a mascot race for god sakes. Are you really so in the dark on this?

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 09:29 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: For god sakes Ceets, just look at anything the Mets do and you can trace it back to someone else's idea. Black unis. Camo unis. Their ballpark. There's hardly a thing the Mets do that is in the least bit innovative or unique unto themselves anymore and much of what did distinguish them (banners, service dept hats, their 1960s heritage) has largely been ignored and/or forgotten. They were polling fans on whether they should have a mascot race for god sakes. Are you really so in the dark on this? Home Run apple, Lazy Mary, Orange foul poles, Shea Bridge, etc. I'm in favor of a mascot race. My point was, this is how sports are. it's not unique to the Mets. Look at all the ridiculous mascot races out there for example. I don't know if the Mets home run apple was unique in the sense of HR celebrations, but the Marlins home run thing is an extension of that, as much as it's artsy and "original".

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 09:32 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The fucking "Shea bridge" is a lame ripoff of PNC Park's setting. You got me on the apple. Good for the Mets on that.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2013 09:34 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Of course, the apple has been around for about 30 years. If that's the last time the Mets did anything innovative, they're in quite a slump.

Centerfield Nov 13 2013 09:38 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Agree a thousand percent with JCL. With the first responder hats, not only do they lack the ingenuity and conviction to be able to come up with something like this, but when a fantastic tradition is born right into their organization by the players, they lack the resolve to stand up for it and defend it. I know to some it's just a hat, but in my mind, there couldn't be a better display of what is wrong with this organization. I'm glad that fan allegiances are created when young. There is not a chance in the world that as an adult, I would ever choose to root for this organization, knowing what I know.

metsmarathon Nov 13 2013 09:39 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

realizing it would be an escape from the team's colors, but what would work a hell of a lot better on a digital camo uniform would be if the team name were piped in matte black, with tan/olive fill, matching the actual uniforms on our soldiers. have the only color be the colors of the flag. and probably the manufacturers logo because they can't help themselves... it wouldn't solve the gi-joeing of the game, but it would help the aesthetic a ton. also, ugh, god, no mascot races. unless everybody is going to dres up in jay horowitz mascot costumes, i don't want to see it. we don't need giant costumed skyscrapers, or giant costumed bridges, or happy bouncing checks, or... whatever... running around. maybe giant costumed apples could work. tying in nicely with the home run thingy (and sponsored in part by fruit of hte loom?)... but i still really don't want to see it.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 09:41 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: For god sakes Ceets, just look at anything the Mets do and you can trace it back to someone else's idea. Black unis. Camo unis. Their ballpark. There's hardly a thing the Mets do that is in the least bit innovative or unique unto themselves anymore and much of what did distinguish them (banners, service dept hats, their 1960s heritage) has largely been ignored and/or forgotten. They were polling fans on whether they should have a mascot race for god sakes. Are you really so in the dark on this? Home Run apple, Lazy Mary, Orange foul poles, Shea Bridge, etc. I'm in favor of a mascot race. My point was, this is how sports are. it's not unique to the Mets. Look at all the ridiculous mascot races out there for example. I don't know if the Mets home run apple was unique in the sense of HR celebrations, but the Marlins home run thing is an extension of that, as much as it's artsy and "original". Home Run apple -- Bill Veeck's exploding scoreboard; Astrodome Scoreboard goes nuts; [youtube]dg1ApY8niNk[/youtube] Lazy Mary -- continues a 100+ year tradition of baseball stadium sing a longs. Orange foul poles -- foul poles gotta be some color. Shea Bridge -- This is a contrived PNC knock-off. I didn't know Shea even had a bridge. This one makes no sense unless you're Jeff Wilpon.

seawolf17 Nov 13 2013 09:43 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Centerfield wrote: Agree a thousand percent with JCL. With the first responder hats, not only do they lack the ingenuity and conviction to be able to come up with something like this, but when a fantastic tradition is born right into their organization by the players, they lack the resolve to stand up for it and defend it. I know to some it's just a hat, but in my mind, there couldn't be a better display of what is wrong with this organization. I'm glad that fan allegiances are created when young. There is not a chance in the world that as an adult, I would ever choose to root for this organization, knowing what I know. THIS. ALL OF THIS.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 09:44 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Centerfield wrote: Agree a thousand percent with JCL. With the first responder hats .... If I'm remembering correctly (and I might not be) the responder hats was a player/team inspired thing. I ain't giving Wilpon credit for that, if there's credit due.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 09:48 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

What if we named the escalator in the Rotunda the Polo Grounds Staircase?

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 09:49 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The fucking "Shea bridge" is a lame ripoff of PNC Park's setting. You got me on the apple. Good for the Mets on that. Maybe. It's a bridge, NYC is known for bridges. bridges though, aren't exactly original, no. Of course, the Mets birth was all via copycat. 1960s heritage would hardly be unique, and they get killed for any hint of the Dodgers on one hand and killed for not honoring the Giants enough on the other. Tributes will never be unique by definition, but were the Mets not a part of the whole Jackie Robinson Day thing to begin with? (I don't know how it all went down, but I doubt the Mets just sat back and let MLB tell them exactly what to say and do) What about los Mets? Latin outreach is something the Mets seemingly have been on the forefront of, but maybe not. I don't remember other teams doing the los thing before them, though that's just as gimmicky as the camo really. Of course they could always do more. I'm a big fan of pushing boundaries and all that, but the Mets, and baseball, are a very conservative bunch. Does anyone dare not play Take Me Out To The Ballgame? Every really different uniform idea gets routinely lambasted. A lot of people are even against making sure umpires get calls right. I've gotten more and more into the Mets as I've become an adult myself. It seems like some of you are ashamed to be a Mets fan, and I just don't get it. It's a corporate entity and it always has been and always will. It's not going to run the way I think it should, to my moral or aesthetic compass, and I don't expect that my view is the majority or even what gets fans to the park and watching games and spending money.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 09:53 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The uniform, I'm talking about. San Diego's been doing it forever. The Mets in the meantime lack the courage to do anything innovative or original or meaningful on their own (the service department hats for example) and wait instead to follow someone else's lead on a uniform tweak. Yes, that's the real issue.

G-Fafif Nov 13 2013 09:57 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Los Gigantes beat Los Mets to the field by dos años.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 09:57 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

With regard to Latino outreach, yes and no. If they were ahead of the field, the field has caught up to them, and generically so. "Los Mets," of course, sounds stupid in any language.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 10:03 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Let's just pretend for a second that Ceetar's right and that the Mets are no lamer than any other franchise when it comes to their lack of originality, lack of imagination, lack of conviction and lack of self awareness. How is that OK?

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 10:03 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The Mets don't necessarily have to be groundbreaking trendsetters. They don't have to be the first. But they're not exactly progressive either. They're clearly followers -- and the worst kind. They follow bad trends, dated trends, dead trends, dumb trends. They're like the Statue of Liberty of trends. Give us your tired, your poor, your dumb and stupid. We'll try everything. Especially if you already tried it. And we'll not only try it, but we'll dumb it up, cheap it up, philistine it up in ways that you didn''t know were even imagineable. I mean, if they ever copycatted something cool, it'd be a hundredfold improvement. Mascot races? And they're polling fans on this? I didn't even know about this but what another embarrassment.

G-Fafif Nov 13 2013 10:06 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Nothing wrong with a good idea fitted appropriately to its environs. The bridge inside the ballpark works and nods, implicitly if not overwhelmingly, to the team logo and the idea behind it. Because somebody else celebrated a home run or encouraged a singalong doesn't make the Mets intellectual-property thieves for doing something in that vein. It's the straight-out "let's do 'Sweet Caroline' because it's awesome at Fenway" kind of thinking that's depressing. I'd place the camo uniforms, given their connection to San Diego, in that category. Wear khaki. Wear navy blues. Do something that isn't exactly what the Padres have been doing for years.

G-Fafif Nov 13 2013 10:08 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Mascot races? And they're polling fans on this? I didn't even know about this but what another embarrassment. This was 2010, so it wasn't yet stale, only done. But not done the Mets way!

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 10:13 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just pretend for a second that Ceetar's right and that the Mets are no lamer than any other franchise when it comes to their lack of originality, lack of imagination, lack of conviction and lack of self awareness. How is that OK? oh, It's not. but holding up the Mets as some sort outlier seems silly to me. It's baseball as a whole that's the conservative un-imaginative lump. But on the other hand, they're under no obligation to innovate either, not is it ever going to make everyone happy if they did decide that their self-image was going to be a different one. Of course, if they are going to get original, I prefer they keep it based in entertainment and leave politics and the military out of it. You can honor and promote those things, and those causes, but don't intermesh it with your identity. But again, give me some examples of other teams, even other sports, doing something that you like/find imaginative and fun? G-Fafif wrote: It's the straight-out "let's do 'Sweet Caroline' because it's awesome at Fenway" kind of thinking that's depressing. Of course, the Fenway-Caroline was itself copied from somewhere else, a local college team or something if I remember correctly. And that's what I mean about the entire sport being full of this stuff. (and hell, the NY Rangers were playing Sweet Caroline as well, so it's not like it's a Mets copy-cat thing either)

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 10:16 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

G-Fafif wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Mascot races? And they're polling fans on this? I didn't even know about this but what another embarrassment. This was 2010, so it wasn't yet stale, only done. But not done the Mets way! Now that's a mascot race I'd pay to see.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 10:20 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Mascot races? And they're polling fans on this? I didn't even know about this but what another embarrassment. This was 2010, so it wasn't yet stale, only done. But not done the Mets way! Now that's a mascot race I'd pay to see. As far as something gimmicky to watch between innings, I'm all for mascot races. Although it really should be airplanes. And there's really no reason they still can't represent the Shea levels. Hell, pick out 4 cute kids from the stands, strap on silly colored arm-wings and have 'em flap-race for a prize. Or is that too minor leaguish?

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 10:25 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just pretend for a second that Ceetar's right and that the Mets are no lamer than any other franchise when it comes to their lack of originality, lack of imagination, lack of conviction and lack of self awareness. How is that OK? It's not. But the cure for unorginality and the lack of a commitment to distinctiveness is pretty easy to get at. Let's go, Mets, and whatnot.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 13 2013 11:00 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 13 2013 11:12 AM

Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just pretend for a second that Ceetar's right and that the Mets are no lamer than any other franchise when it comes to their lack of originality, lack of imagination, lack of conviction and lack of self awareness. How is that OK? oh, It's not. but holding up the Mets as some sort outlier seems silly to me. It's baseball as a whole that's the conservative un-imaginative lump. I think that the whole point is that they're not any sort of outlier. They've aimed square at the middle, in virtually every respect. And the thing is, even if you take into account the cost of failures, it actually behooves them to try different things; their main local competition is the hidebound, traditionalist selling-pinstripes-to-a-pinstripe-crowd folks, and trying new and different and goofy and populist-- along with, y'know, being a Senior Circuit team in a Senior Circuit town-- is how they got their first set of diehard fans. Differentiating yourself from the competition (locally and otherwise) and giving folks an ethos-- however prefab it is in actuality-- gives you insulation from the economic vagaries of stock-market weirdness or "rebuilding years." I mean, hell, leave aside the what-the-Mets-should-do vs. Corporate Entity leitmotif for a second; originality draws attention and eyes, and making your corporate strategy "damage avoidance/limitation" guarantees that when the inevitable embarrassment comes, you'll have no cover. I'll spend time and a little bit of money for old-times' sake. You want the rest? Come get it. Give me-- a baseball-inclined New Yorker-- a reason to spend my money here instead of at the other place, or the Big Apple Circus, or the Met. Give me a Lazy Mary lip-synch contest, or weirdo Mandarin/Korean/Spanish/Hebrew versions for the Cultural Days. Give me a miltary-veteran Wiffle Ball Home Run Derby, or Talent Contest. Give me a "7 Train" bullpen car. Give me an onsite "Piggie's Garden" that fans can visit, and maybe one that provides onsite vendors with fresh, ultralocal produce. Give me Agee, Cleon, Piazza, and Mo Markers in the seats/concourses. Business Entity in The World's Most Diverse Set of Zip Codes-- woo my fucking business.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 11:04 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Certainly and true. On the other hand, when they get attacked for every fucking thing, it's not exactly going to encourage them to stake out bold, outside-the-box, comfortable-in-our-own-skin territory. That's why, when Greg joked about becoming the VP of tradition and fan experience or whatever, I was hoping he wasn't joking.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 11:31 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I think that the whole point is that they're not any sort of outlier. They've aimed square at the middle, in virtually every respect. And the thing is, even if you take into account the cost of failures, it actually behooves them to try different things; their main local competition is the hidebound, traditionalist selling-pinstripes-to-a-pinstripe-crowd folks, and trying new and different and goofy and populist-- along with, y'know, being a Senior Circuit team in a Senior Circuit town-- is how they got their first set of diehard fans. Differentiating yourself from the competition (locally and otherwise) and giving folks an ethos-- however prefab it is in actuality-- gives you insulation from the economic vagaries of stock-market weirdness or "rebuilding years." I mean, hell, leave aside the what-the-Mets-should-do vs. Corporate Entity leitmotif for a second; originality draws attention and eyes, and making your corporate strategy "damage avoidance/limitation" guarantees that when the inevitable embarrassment comes, you'll have no cover. I'll spend time and a little bit of money for old-times' sake. You want the rest? Come get it. Give me-- a baseball-inclined New Yorker-- a reason to spend my money here instead of at the other place, or the Big Apple Circus, or the Met. Give me a Lazy Mary lip-synch contest, or weirdo Mandarin/Korean/Spanish/Hebrew versions for the Cultural Days. Give me a miltary-veteran Wiffle Ball Home Run Derby, or Talent Contest. Give me a "7 Train" bullpen car. Give me an onsite "Piggie's Garden" that fans can visit, and maybe one that provides onsite vendors with fresh, ultralocal produce. Give me Agee, Cleon, Piazza, and Mo Markers in the seats/concourses. Business Entity in The World's Most Diverse Set of Zip Codes-- woo my fucking business. Oh I agree, I just don't think the Mets are unique in that (haha) they're aiming at the middle. the "If I wasn't already a fan I wouldn't be one" stuff seems over the top. But I think you're overstating the cost of failure in these ventures or the value in succeeding. I don't have kids right now, so I'm not sure I can speak to the family outing angle, but it does seem like I see a whole lot of facebook and Twitter posts and photos of kids having blasts at games. Why spend your money at a Mets game instead of the Circus, or the Movies, or the Hall of Science? well, because it's baseball. Because you're allegiances already lean one way, it's Mets over Yankees. But yes, there are probably millions of people in the middle that bandwagon and flip flop. But I'd argue that the mains reasons they'd go to Citi over Yankee stadium are things like location, winning, their friends are going, it's not across any bridges, I can park, or the tickets are cheaper. Things like "I want to check out that cool mascot race!" or "Star Wars night!" are way down on the list that I think the return on the investment to make these things really truly interesting isn't worth it for them, even if maybe it should be for simple quality of experience purposes. And I would love them to go that extra mile. This is how I described Oktoberfest at Citi Field, clearly a melding of two of my big interests and the only reason I went to that particular Mets game. Better than nothing, but nothing special. And I guess to sorta disprove my point.. [url]http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/oak/schedule/events/beerfest.jsp Oakland's beerfest put's it to shame. They do in fact go the extra mile.

Vic Sage Nov 13 2013 11:32 AM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Let's just pretend for a second that Ceetar's right and that the Mets are no lamer than any other franchise when it comes to their lack of originality, lack of imagination, lack of conviction and lack of self awareness. How is that OK? oh, It's not. but holding up the Mets as some sort outlier seems silly to me. It's baseball as a whole that's the conservative un-imaginative lump. I think that the whole point is that they're not any sort of outlier. They've aimed square at the middle, in virtually every respect. And the thing is, even if you take into account the cost of failures, it actually behooves them to try different things; their main local competition is the hidebound, traditionalist selling-pinstripes-to-a-pinstripe-crowd folks, and trying new and different and goofy and populist-- along with, y'know, being a Senior Circuit team in a Senior Circuit town-- is how they got their first set of diehard fans. Differentiating yourself from the competition (locally and otherwise) and giving folks an ethos-- however prefab it is in actuality-- gives you insulation from the economic vagaries of stock-market weirdness or "rebuilding years." I mean, hell, leave aside the what-the-Mets-should-do vs. Corporate Entity leitmotif for a second; originality draws attention and eyes, and making your corporate strategy "damage avoidance/limitation" guarantees that when the inevitable embarrassment comes, you'll have no cover. I'll spend time and a little bit of money for old-times' sake. You want the rest? Come get it. Give me-- a baseball-inclined New Yorker-- a reason to spend my money here instead of at the other place, or the Big Apple Circus, or the Met. Give me a Lazy Mary lip-synch contest, or weirdo Mandarin/Korean/Spanish/Hebrew versions for the Cultural Days. Give me a miltary-veteran Wiffle Ball Home Run Derby, or Talent Contest. Give me a "7 Train" bullpen car. Give me an onsite "Piggie's Garden" that fans can visit, and maybe one that provides onsite vendors with fresh, ultralocal produce. Give me Agee, Cleon, Piazza, and Mo Markers in the seats/concourses. Business Entity in The World's Most Diverse Set of Zip Codes-- woo my fucking business. this. and maybe "ball girls" in string bikinis who do lap dances between innings. You know, in tribute to Ozone Park strip clubs.

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 12:04 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The funny thing is that, with the launch of so many post-Camden ballparks, the resident team would do a cheap knockoff of Boog's Barbecue, naming a greasy pit-stop after some beloved and high-quality-but-not-quite-Hall-of-Famery colorful team character with appeal to veteran fans. The Mets had a picture perfect opportunity to do the same, having just such a character on the payroll, and he happened to have a well publicized history as a gormet rib chef. Yet with the most obvious in the world idea on a tee, they chose not to swing. AMAZIN'! In fact, they had a small Rusty's Ribs kiosk type establishment in Shea's not-quite-final seasons, but ixnayed it, in favor of the Citi Field Preview Center. So, instead of being a vehicle to launch a lame-o, half-assed, obvious brand expansion, Citi helped squash one. It's AMAZIN' BUT TRUE!

Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2013 12:28 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Well, Keith Hernandez has a burger stand in the food court above the rotunda. I heard Gary mention it on a broadcast and Keith seemed surprised to recall that he had lent his name to that place.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 12:35 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I don't think Keith's burger thing was there last time I looked for it. By then of course 70% of the concessions were closed.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 12:36 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I don't think Keith's burger thing was there last time I looked for it. By then of course 70% of the concessions were closed. Keith's burger place is in left center. I think they opened up a satellite one up in the Promenade in 2012, but it didn't stick.

Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2013 12:38 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The one on the Promenade was the only one I was familiar with. I think I saw it there in April 2013, but I can't be sure.

metirish Nov 13 2013 12:43 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I love this thread.......

metsmarathon Nov 13 2013 01:04 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

its not nothing, but they did bring back banner day. i don't know if any other teams out there really do that. and while the wilpon regime sure didn'y come up with it, and may have put the kibosh on it, they must get some inkling of a leadership credit for bringing it back when nobody else currently offers such a thing. also, i'm not sure how many other teams do "kids run the bases" promotions. i'm sure they all must (and certainly should), but i ain't looked into it. so i'll tentatively give them a whisper of a credit for that one. what innovative things do other teams do that the mets could jump onto and be on the leading edge of a trend instead of hopping onto the bandwagon as everybody is getting off of it? i really don't know... quick, somebody say the 'knocking down a fairly new and perfectly adequate stadium to move to some other place nearby that serves the same city" trend!

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 01:07 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsmarathon wrote: also, i'm not sure how many other teams do "kids run the bases" promotions. i'm sure they all must (and certainly should), but i ain't looked into it. so i'll tentatively give them a whisper of a credit for that one. Every weekend! When did it stop being called dynaMets dash and start being called Mr. Met's Dash, and what was a dynaMet anyway?

Lefty Specialist Nov 13 2013 01:19 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

The Mets, for whatever reason (Cheapness? Lack of imagination? Fear of success?) just don't know how to promote this team. Fred's always been a Dodger fan; if he could buy the LA Dodgers and move them to Brooklyn, he'd do it in a heartbeat, Mets be damned. And I think that Fred got out ahead of himself when Citi was planned. "Holy shit, I CAN BUILD MY OWN EBBETS FIELD!" he thought. And so it was. If Abe Stark were still selling suits, he'd have put a sign there instead of the yellow Subway sign. His Dodger-love was so obvious when you had a Jackie Fucking Robinson Rotunda, but nothing dedicated to the history of the Mets, and no blue and orange anywhere in the ballpark. It was like, "Damn, I own the Mets, but I wish I had the team I really loved." Now obviously Fred wants to win with the Mets since he knows he's never getting the Dodgers. But there's a schizophrenic feel to the whole organization. While he wishes he could have the Dodgers, everybody else (including Jeff) is disappointed that they're not the Yankees. The Yankees don't have to promote stuff- they're the YANKEES. Promoting a team is hard especially when you're being beaten 27-2 where it counts. In the 80's, when things admittedly were being run differently, there seemed to be at least the attempt to generate excitement ('Catch the Rising Stars') even if we laugh at it now. That was replaced eventually by the obnoxious classic 'Show up at Shea' which meant that if things weren't good, it was YOUR fault, dammit. Now it's a case of, 'We built you a new ballpark, what else do you want?' Easy, low-hanging fruit in the baseball-promotion biz is just ignored by these people (like a Rusty's rib joint). It's like they know they can't be as popular as the Yankees so they don't even try. They even show Derek Jeter Ford commercials on Met broadcasts. Odds of a David Wright commercial appearing on a Yankee broadcast? Zero. It's a lot of little stuff that just grates on you after a while. There just doesn't seem to be a plan to market this team.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 01:22 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Lefty Specialist wrote: Odds of a David Wright commercial appearing on a Yankee broadcast? Zero. I don't watch much Yes, so I don't know if Lincoln advertises, but if Wright whored himself out as much as Derek does, there'd be no avoiding it. But back in '07ish, there were definitely Beltran/Delgado "Visit Puerto Rico" type commercials on YES.

G-Fafif Nov 13 2013 02:05 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

DynaMets was the SportsChannel-era precursor to Kids Clubhouse. The name stuck on the Dash long past the show's cancellation. Think it's been Mr. Met Dash throughout the SNY era but I couldn't swear what year it switched. The run-around-the-bases thing wasn't a Met original -- Howie, when he was still Mets Extra'ing, pointed out what a great promo it was where he'd seen it in operation and strongly suggested the Mets adopt it. They took him up on it in 1994, the year they were breaking their necks to appear "fan-friendly," post-fireworks.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 13 2013 02:10 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsmarathon wrote: realizing it would be an escape from the team's colors, but what would work a hell of a lot better on a digital camo uniform would be if the team name were piped in matte black, with tan/olive fill, matching the actual uniforms on our soldiers. have the only color be the colors of the flag. and probably the manufacturers logo because they can't help themselves... it wouldn't solve the gi-joeing of the game, but it would help the aesthetic a ton. also, ugh, god, no mascot races. unless everybody is going to dres up in jay horowitz mascot costumes, i don't want to see it. we don't need giant costumed skyscrapers, or giant costumed bridges, or happy bouncing checks, or... whatever... running around. maybe giant costumed apples could work. tying in nicely with the home run thingy (and sponsored in part by fruit of hte loom?)... but i still really don't want to see it. Giant cats! In Mets jerseys. Shea was famous for all its stray cats -- especially the black on that ran in front of the Cubs dugout in 1969. People in cat costumes named Casey, Felix, Terrific and Mookie.

themetfairy Nov 13 2013 02:11 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

1994 was also the year of the Nickelodeon Extreme Baseball park behind right field at Shea.

G-Fafif Nov 13 2013 02:11 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Keith's Grill has hung in there since 2011. It sometimes generates a line. The Rusty's kiosk at Shea didn't make it out of the '90s, but it sure as hell seemed a natural for revival come Citi Field. Then again, as a FAFIF reader suggested, so would've a Mex's Taqueria.

Ceetar Nov 13 2013 02:12 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsguyinmichigan wrote: metsmarathon wrote: realizing it would be an escape from the team's colors, but what would work a hell of a lot better on a digital camo uniform would be if the team name were piped in matte black, with tan/olive fill, matching the actual uniforms on our soldiers. have the only color be the colors of the flag. and probably the manufacturers logo because they can't help themselves... it wouldn't solve the gi-joeing of the game, but it would help the aesthetic a ton. also, ugh, god, no mascot races. unless everybody is going to dres up in jay horowitz mascot costumes, i don't want to see it. we don't need giant costumed skyscrapers, or giant costumed bridges, or happy bouncing checks, or... whatever... running around. maybe giant costumed apples could work. tying in nicely with the home run thingy (and sponsored in part by fruit of hte loom?)... but i still really don't want to see it. Giant cats! In Mets jerseys. Shea was famous for all its stray cats -- especially the black on that ran in front of the Cubs dugout in 1969. People in cat costumes named Casey, Felix, Terrific and Mookie. And have 'em all running away from a mangy cat in a Phillies or Cubs jersey?

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 13 2013 02:13 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Of course, the apple has been around for about 30 years. If that's the last time the Mets did anything innovative, they're in quite a slump. If the Crane Pool Forum was around 30 years ago, I'm pretty sure many of the people here would be ripping the Home Run Apple -- or was it called Mets Magic Apple back then -- it and calling it an embarrassment.

G-Fafif Nov 13 2013 02:14 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Giant cats! In Mets jerseys. Shea was famous for all its stray cats -- especially the black on that ran in front of the Cubs dugout in 1969. People in cat costumes named Casey, Felix, Terrific and Mookie. Terrific would be a Tom cat. Wilpon would probably veto "Giant cats," insisting on the Dodger breed. Homer the Beagle, Leo the Black Cat, Mettle the Mule and, if only they had resigned his namesake, Marlon the Byrd.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 13 2013 02:19 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

G-Fafif wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Giant cats! In Mets jerseys. Shea was famous for all its stray cats -- especially the black on that ran in front of the Cubs dugout in 1969. People in cat costumes named Casey, Felix, Terrific and Mookie. Terrific would be a Tom cat. Wilpon would probably veto "Giant cats," insisting on the Dodger breed. Homer the Beagle, Leo the Black Cat, Mettle the Mule and, if only they had resigned his namesake, Marlon the Byrd. Love it!

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 13 2013 02:21 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Hello. I am baseball's first mascot. I was introduced by the Mets! Many people have copied me since then.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2013 02:23 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Of course, the apple has been around for about 30 years. If that's the last time the Mets did anything innovative, they're in quite a slump. If the Crane Pool Forum was around 30 years ago, I'm pretty sure many of the people here would be ripping the Home Run Apple -- or was it called Mets Magic Apple back then -- it and calling it an embarrassment. I don't think that's true. Sure it was a little cheesy but at the time it represented the beginnings of some promise and much-needed investment in the club and its image which had suffered from years of underinvestment. And what we're talking about here isn;t necessarily that we'd criticize something new (although we might) but that the idea for new things are so bereft of originality and creativity.

metsmarathon Nov 13 2013 02:44 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

i suppose one thing the mets are way out in front of is setting aside prominent stadium real estate for, and erecting statues in honor of, players who never played for that team. go ahead. name another team doing it. those metsies. always leading.

Zvon Nov 13 2013 02:47 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

metsguyinmichigan wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Giant cats! In Mets jerseys. Shea was famous for all its stray cats -- especially the black on that ran in front of the Cubs dugout in 1969. People in cat costumes named Casey, Felix, Terrific and Mookie. Terrific would be a Tom cat. Wilpon would probably veto "Giant cats," insisting on the Dodger breed. Homer the Beagle, Leo the Black Cat, Mettle the Mule and, if only they had resigned his namesake, Marlon the Byrd. Love it! I think this is an excellent concept. So there are people out there that can think them up. Problem is they don't work for the Mets.

Mets Guy in Michigan Nov 13 2013 03:01 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Zvon wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: metsguyinmichigan wrote: Giant cats! In Mets jerseys. Shea was famous for all its stray cats -- especially the black on that ran in front of the Cubs dugout in 1969. People in cat costumes named Casey, Felix, Terrific and Mookie. Terrific would be a Tom cat. Wilpon would probably veto "Giant cats," insisting on the Dodger breed. Homer the Beagle, Leo the Black Cat, Mettle the Mule and, if only they had resigned his namesake, Marlon the Byrd. Love it! I think this is an excellent concept. So there are people out there that can think them up. Problem is they don't work for the Mets. I confess that I stole this cats idea from myself, circa 2010 [url]http://metsguyinmichigan.blogspot.com/2010/02/when-competition-is-two-foods-and-fraud.html

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 03:09 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Races cut no ice with me, but if I wanted to something fun, I'd have actual former Mets race. "Tonight's contestants: Kevin Roberson! Greg McMichael! Craig Paquette! And Tobi Stoner! Who do you think will win, folks? Get a good look at these athletes and make your best guesses! Text your predictions to 45678. All winners get five free DarlingDollars redeemable anywhere within the ballpark!"

Zvon Nov 13 2013 03:40 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

I confess that I stole this cats idea from myself, circa 2010 Ha, great read. Your wife gets the credit. This part is the clincher: "And they’re cats! You can’t herd them. They’ll run all over the ballpark every which way. It’s all part of the fun." If we are talking real cats, they could shine flashlight beams on the field from the press level and the cats will follow them anywhere at amazing speeds. Have em run up the OF wall, over the tops of dugouts and every once in a while freeze the cat in place so he can swat at the light a lil bit, eventually being led to the finishing line. Hopefully that would keep it from running more than five minutes.

seawolf17 Nov 13 2013 04:56 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

Edgy MD wrote: Races cut no ice with me, but if I wanted to something fun, I'd have actual former Mets race. "Tonight's contestants: Kevin Roberson! Greg McMichael! Craig Paquette! And Tobi Stoner! Who do you think will win, folks? Get a good look at these athletes and make your best guesses! Text your predictions to 45678. All winners get five free DarlingDollars redeemable anywhere within the ballpark!" This would be awesome. Winner stays on for the next home game, Jeopardy-style.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 05:02 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

batmagadanleadoff wrote: What if we named the escalator in the Rotunda the Polo Grounds Staircase? "Hey! I meant what I said. And we wouldn't just name it the Polo Grounds Staircase and leave it at that. No ... we'd have a sign. And the sign would say "Polo Grounds Staircase". Or Escalator. Or it could be a plaque instead of a sign. Whatever".

batmagadanleadoff Nov 13 2013 05:04 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

"What about parquet wood panels over the infield? No baseball team's ever done that".

Vic Sage Nov 13 2013 08:48 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

If the Crane Pool Forum was around 30 years ago, I'm pretty sure many of the people here would be ripping the Home Run Apple -- or was it called Mets Magic Apple back then -- it and calling it an embarrassment. Embarrassment [e] x Time [t] = Beloved symbol of Metdom [~m] e.g., orange and blue shingles, marv throneberry, Mr. Met, Jay Horwitz, Rheingold, Jane Jarvis, and the Mets Magic Apple

Edgy MD Nov 13 2013 09:07 PM Re: Camouflage Uniforms

It also has plenty to do with being young vs. being old. It just does.