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Vote for Enshrinement

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band 1 votes

Chic (eighth nomination!) 4 votes

Deep Purple 4 votes

LL Cool J 2 votes

Peter Gabriel (first-time nominee) 19 votes

Hall and Oates (first-time nominee) 15 votes

KISS 11 votes

The Meters 0 votes

Nirvana (first-time nominee) 20 votes

N.W.A. 1 votes

The Replacements (first-time nominee) 11 votes

Linda Ronstadt (first-time nominee) 14 votes

Cat Stevens 9 votes

Link Wray (first-time nominee) 5 votes

YES (first-time nominee) 16 votes

The Zombies (first-time nominee) 6 votes

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 07:55 AM

A strong class for the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame ballot this year, as Yes and Peter Gabriel join the ballot after Rush finally broke the stranglehold on progressive rock artists last year --- and I say that while not being a particularly fond backer of proggy rock.

Vote for as many as eight, but we'll limit our personal list of winners to the top five vote-getters, which is something akin to the actual museum's shady-assed process.

The official standard is to recognize "the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame."

MFS62
Oct 16 2013 08:01 AM
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Not only should Linda Ronstadt get in, but she should be awarded the Governor's Trophy.

Later

TransMonk
Oct 16 2013 08:13 AM
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When limited to five, I would chose: Peter Gabriel, KISS, Nirvana, The Replacements and Yes because those five have had an undeniable influence on the music of today, in my opinion. Deep Purple and The Zombies would be next on that list for me. Hall and Oates would round out my eight for purely personal reasons.

Glad to see the Mats up there!

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 16 2013 08:15 AM
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I voted for Peter Gabriel, Hall & Oates, Nirvana, & The Replacements. All no-brainers in my opinion. I could be persuaded on the merits of L.L. Cool J and Cat Stevens, but left them off my ballot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2013 08:40 AM
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Gabriel (founded an influential band that's aged well, became iconic as a solo artist and video pioneer)

Hall & Oates (melded blue-eyed soul with contemporary pop, also aging better than one might have expected, huge commercial success)

Kiss (almost irrelevant musically but true icons and showmen)

Nirvana (I'm not so enthusiastic about their contributions to music or society overall but their arrival marked an inflection point that brought an end to the 80s and ushered a new, dour, bleak standard that contemporaries and the industry had no choice but to follow)

Ronstadt (Terrific singer, commercial success who then explored artistic rotues that were less successful, lots of influential friends in the industry and sick, she should get in)

Yes (icons of the whole "art-rock" movement who proved you could break all the rules of instrumentation, song length, etc and still be popular)

Monkees, Cars snubbed again.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 08:51 AM
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Yeah the snub list is eternal, but this is a more authentic ballot than most, thought don't be shocked if, however the vote goes down, Jan Wenner just gets his own choices by packing the jury or over-ruling it.

The reason you should vote for Cat Stevens is that he listens to the wind, to the wind of his soul. Where he'll end up, well, he thinks, only God really knows.

Cat Stevens has sat upon the setting sun. But never, never, never, never, never wanted water once. No, never, never, never.

Cat Stevens listens to his words, but they fall far below. He lets his music take him where his heart wants to go.

He swam upon the devil's lake. But never, never, never, never will make the same mistake. No, never, never, never.

That's why.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 08:55 AM
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Current leaders are Gabes (7 votes), Nirvana (6) and Hall and Oates (5). Tied at four votes for the last two imaginary slots are KISS, the Replacements, and Linda Rondstradt.

KISS and YES both have names that tend to be expressed in all-caps, falsely suggesting they are acronyms.

I don't know if Hall & Oates are nominated as a duo or a band. I tend to think of them as a band (including G.E. Smith, T-Bone Wolk, etc.) when billed as Hall & Oates, and as a duo when billed as Darryl Hall & Joahn Oates, but it isn't that simple. Nothing is.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 16 2013 08:57 AM
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sharpie
Oct 16 2013 10:10 AM
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Gabriel, Nirvana, Yes, Link Wray, Ronstadt, Replacements, Cat Stevens and Zombies.

Pretty strong group.

Actually, Pink Floyd and Genesis count as prog-rock so Rush didn't break the mold.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 10:19 AM
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I didn't know (or had forgotten) that Genesis got in. Maybe then Rush broke the dam on prog metal.

If Yes gets in, I'd hate to be the guy who has to sort out which members get a share of the honor and which get treated as thank-you-very-much placeholders.

Fman99
Oct 16 2013 10:22 AM
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I voted for the six acts that I consider to be rock and roll acts, and all of whom had multiple songs I know.

Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Hall and Oates
KISS
Nirvana
YES

I also would vote for the Cars were they on the list. The other acts are too far away from rock, too obscure or didn't have enough hits for me to vote for them.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 10:38 AM
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Obscure, baby? Hard to do any movie with a scene set in swinging London without the soundtrack cutting to the Zombies.

Anyhow, we're down to a three-way tie for our fifth spot:

Gabriel (9)
Nirvana (7)
Hall & Oates (7)
KISS (6)
Replacements, Rondstadt, YES (5)

I'd be more down with Nile Rogers getting honored than Chic, but I'm also a fan of the late Tony Thompson.

Do Hall and Oates get points added or subtracted for making the worst video of all time?

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RealityChuck
Oct 16 2013 10:51 AM
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Paul Butterfield Blues Band. "East-West" clinches it, along with putting out the first album with the words "This record was made to be played loud."
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Peter Gabriel (easy choice)
Nirvana (historical importance)
Cat Stevens. (Terrific songwriter)
Link Wray (historical importance)
Yes (the kings of progressive rock -- for better or worse, they need to be included for that)
The Zombies (Their hits deserve recognition)

My final choice was between Linda Ronstadt and Hall and Oates. I went with Ronstadt for having a much wider range of music; Hall and Oates couldn't do Gilbert and Sullivan.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 11:04 AM
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I'm guessing Sharpie is the guy hanging his shingle for the funk, as Chic and The Meters each have a single vote.

No votes for either of our rap acts, though.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 16 2013 11:19 AM
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RealityChuck wrote:
Paul Butterfield Blues Band. "East-West" clinches it, along with putting out the first album with the words "This record was made to be played loud."
[youtube]YaV-S5ivX3E[/youtube]

I'm not really on top of the Music HOF induction ceremonies anymore, but my hunch sez that the PBBB doesn't get in. But their parts are bigger than the sum. Michael Bloomfield -- I don't know if he's in yet, but he seems like a no-brainer. His contributions to pop/rock/blues music are vast. Bloomfield, the wildy dexterous blues guitarist helped usher in folk-rock, first as the session guitarist on Dylan's improvised Like a Rolling Stone, voted #1 rock n roll song by Rolling Stone Magazine, and then as the electric guitar player at Newport when Dylan went electric. Bloomfield was also the guitarist on John Hammond's So Many Roads, the first white electric blues album ever recorded. Bloomfield did about as much as anybody in America to establish the solid body electric guitar as the rock and roll instrument of choice and prestige, eventually switching to a Les Paul Standard and fueling a demand that would make vintage Bursts and Goldtops the most sought after electric guitars.

Paul Butterfield (he's presently dead. Bloomfield and Butterfield both lived hard and died young) might be the best harmonica player in pop music.

sharpie
Oct 16 2013 12:09 PM
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No, I stated my choices earlier. I almost went with the Meters but I have no love for Chic.

sharpie
Oct 16 2013 12:16 PM
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Bloomfield is not in, though he should be. I think there is some sort of sideman wing.

This past weekend I happened to see part of the 2013 induction. It was a smarmy L.A.-centric affair whose worst moment (I didn't see Rush's induction) was when they gave a statue to Lou Adler who produced the Mamas & the Papas, Jan & Dean, Monterey Pop, Cheech and Chong and Carole King's Tapestry. As a tribute Carole King sang You're So Far Away and it occurred to me that she isn't in the Hall and he is, which seems so very wrong given that she not only wrote a bushelful of hits but also had a whole series of hits.

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 12:24 PM
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That's, um, weird. If she never had a performing career, I'd think she'd done enough to qualify. Subtract "Up on the Roof," "Natural Woman," "The Loco-Motion," and "Will You Still Love Me Tomrrow?" from the sixties and you've got a different decade.

Checking the list just now --- "Pleasant Valley Sunday," "Some Kind of Wonderful," "One Fine Day," "Oh, No, Not My Baby," ... . You sure she isn't in? Maybe she just doesn't want to share a stage with her ex.

sharpie
Oct 16 2013 12:38 PM
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Now I see, Goffin and King are in a songwriters wing. Weird, though, that Laura Nyro is in the regular wing while Carole is off in the side sections.

Zvon
Oct 16 2013 02:21 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Yeah the snub list is eternal, but this is a more authentic ballot than most, thought don't be shocked if, however the vote goes down, Jan Wenner just gets his own choices by packing the jury or over-ruling it.

The reason you should vote for Cat Stevens is that he listens to the wind, to the wind of his soul. Where he'll end up, well, he thinks, only God really knows.

Cat Stevens has sat upon the setting sun. But never, never, never, never, never wanted water once. No, never, never, never.

Cat Stevens listens to his words, but they fall far below. He lets his music take him where his heart wants to go.

He swam upon the devil's lake. But never, never, never, never will make the same mistake. No, never, never, never.

That's why.

One of the first songs I ever learned on guitar. VOTE CAT! At least lets get him to double digits!
Cat, Gabriel &Yes are three of my favorites. Also voted Nirvana, The Replacments, Hall N Oates, Linda R.
Re-educate me about the Zombies. I only remember one song by them, although that one was a classic.

Mets – Willets Point
Oct 16 2013 02:25 PM
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buh-buh-BUMP-aaaah, buh-buh-BUMP-aaaah, buh-buh-BUMP-aaaah, buh-buh-BUMP-aaaah, What's your name, who's your daddy, did he raise you rich like me?

Edgy MD
Oct 16 2013 02:50 PM
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It's actually a game in my household. One of us will say, "The time was 1968. The place was London... or 'swinging London,' as it was known."

And the other will go... "buh-duh-BUMP-aaaah... buh-duh-BUMP-aaaah... ."

Somebody pulled the trigger on Cool J, NWA remains shut out.

Ashie62
Oct 16 2013 04:05 PM
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Kiss
Nirvana
Yes
Hall & Oates

4 diferrent types of music.

I'd like to see the NY Dolls get in before the Mats but sadly both will fall short.

I wouldn't mind seeing Paul Westerberg giving his induction speech and ripping Bobby Dylan for doing absolutely nothing to help them...They Mats did a hilarious "How does it feel" parody mocking Dylan on a later compilation..

Gwreck
Oct 16 2013 08:52 PM
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This is easy:

[u:173uy4wm]Yes[/u:173uy4wm]
Peter Gabriel
Nirvana
The Replacements
N.W.A.
Yes

[u:173uy4wm]Not this time[/u:173uy4wm]
LL Cool J
KISS
Hall and Oates

[u:173uy4wm]No Way[/u:173uy4wm]
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Deep Purple
The Meters
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Link Wray
The Zombies

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 16 2013 09:06 PM
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The Rock Hall's voting is both shady and mysterious. It's hard to make a case for, say Dusty Springfield to be in and The Cars not. But it's about time that Yes and Kiss get acknowledged. Can Chicago be far behind?

Kiss (Note the lowercase) deserves to get in for sure. Say what you want, but they've been around for going on 40 years, still produce CDs that sell reasonably well, still sell out arenas and were once the biggest band in the land. They're iconic.

Yes

Nirvana. I'm not a fan, but I recognize the influence.

Linda Ronstandt. I thought she was in there already, given her coziness with the LA/Rolling Stone crowd that runs the place. Her recent health announcement all but makes her a lock.

Hall and Oates: Piled up a bunch of hits over a fairly long period of tiimee.

Peter Gabriel

Replacements. I know a lot of people love this band, so I checked out a bunch off their CDs from the library. I loved "Alex Chilton," thought some of the others were OK. But hey, I like Kiss, so what do I know.

Rockin' Doc
Oct 16 2013 09:08 PM
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Peter Gabriel, Yes, Replacements, Nirvana, and Lionda Rondstadt.

bmfc1
Oct 17 2013 06:13 AM
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Hall & Oates were on my list.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2013 06:22 AM
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The discriminating Rockin' Doc only uses five of his available eight votes. He's just that way!

The action is still tight:

1. Peter Gabriel: 16
2. Nirvana: 15
3. YES: 13
4. Hall and Oates: 11
5. KISS: 10
6. The Replacements: 10
7. Linda Ronstadt: 10

Enough nonsense. Let's get Mr. First Place in the full flower of youth:

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Edgy MD
Oct 17 2013 08:34 AM
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Nirvana, of course, never wasn't in the full flower of youth.

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Vic Sage
Oct 17 2013 09:19 AM
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My 8 (in order of preference):

Yes:
1. Peter Gabriel - formed seminal prog rock band before establishing an even more successful solo career where he moved beyond prog to a theatrical rock style influenced by world music;
2. KISS - one of the pre-eminent glam/metal Rock ACTS (though not necessarily rock BANDS) of the 70s-80s (personally i enjoyed their comic-book personas more than their music);
3. Yes - THE definitive Brit prog rock band, and i don't think that's a bad thing; Huge during 70s-80s, though still touring;
4. Nirvana - defined 90s grunge and the Seattle alt rock sound; TEEN SPIRIT was the anthem of Generation X (great impact and influence, but not much longevity);

Borderline/yes:
5. Cat Stevens - British Folkie with high peak (1970-78) but with limited longevity (like Nirvana) and borderline rock credentials;
6. Linda Ronstadt - This Folk/Country/LA-Rock chick was leading female pop crooner of the 70s; crossed over into other genres throughout her career. I never bought her as a rocker, but she was sexy, successful and had gorgeous pipes;*
7. Hall and Oates - Blue-eyed soul singers knocked out top 10 hits from mid 70s to late 80s (I hated their soft r&b elevator muzak, but their success is undeniable); and
8. The Zombies - One of the few original British Invasion bands still touring; huge hits in the 60s, but not much since.

* Ronstadt's duet with Aaron Neville, DON'T KNOW MUCH, was my wedding song

Borderline/No:
The Replacements - hugely influential alt rock band of the 80s, but not much success or longevity;
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band - influential 60s blues band, but too short and too limited a peak;
Deep Purple - pioneering Brit metal band of the 70s; but mostly they were just loud;

No:
Link Wray - who?
The Meters - who who?
N.W.A. - Rap is not rock (it's barely music);
LL Cool J - Rap is still not rock, but you could give Cool an Emmy instead; and
Chic - Disco? Fuck you.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2013 09:44 AM
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In third place... YES!!

It's Andersonless as well as Wakemanlacking, but there's something about "Tempus Fugit" that makes it definntively YES to me. At the turn of the eighties, it speaks to what came before and what would follow.

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Edgy MD
Oct 17 2013 10:13 AM
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I should say, that, while I often see YES expressed in all-caps in print, the logo they used through much of their most fertile period was all-lower-cased.

That weird underscoring swoosh always looked like a second s, but I see now that it's an extension of the tail of the y that feeds into the s. Very hippy dippy for a prog band. But I guess that at the beginning, prog rock grew out of the sense of exploration of hippy-dippysm.

TransMonk
Oct 17 2013 10:17 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Love that song. It cleverly walks the line between total cheese and complete rockin-out. Plus, what other band except the Monkees and Talk Talk had a theme song featuring their band name? It's like Eddie Van Halen performing while wearing a Van Halen t-shirt or something.

I agree...Tempus Fugit is one of my faves.

I hear a little bit of a Police rip-off in there during the verses. Definitely the turning point between 70's prog-rock Yes and 80's top-forty pop Yes.

Edgy MD
Oct 17 2013 10:48 AM
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Running in fourth is the Hall & Oates. Here they are early being either sweet and vulnerable or creepy and stalky. Great encapsulation of the Philly soul sound and a great showcase for how good capable a frontman Oates was, or would have been if he wasn't short and the second-best singer in the band.

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d'Kong76
Oct 17 2013 11:37 AM
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Deep Purple is/was every bit as musically talented as any
metal band in that silly hall ..

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metirish
Oct 19 2013 08:28 PM
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Disappointed that Thin Lizzy didn't get on the ballot.

Edgy MD
Oct 19 2013 08:54 PM
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Sorry to report the Rock 'n' Roll HoF, while presented itself as internationally oriented, is largely reflective of American tastes and American success.

And while the Hall is likely to induct more than five, our more exclusive (but working from the same ballot) club has distinguished an untied fifth-placer, and that's Linda Rondstat.

[list=1][*]Peter Gabriel: 16[/*:m]
[*]Nirvana: 16[/*:m]
[*]YES:13[/*:m]
[*]Hall and Oates: 12[/*:m]
[*]Linda Ronstadt: 11 (first-time nominee) 10% 10% [ 11 ] x
###[/*:m]
[*]KISS: 10[/*:m]
[*]The Replacements: 10[/*:m][/list:o]

Let's celebrate by rocking out to Linda, along with super-sideman Waddy Wachtel. from the mostly forgotten (apart from the music) movie FM.

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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 19 2013 09:55 PM
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I'm a little disappointed that Link Wray-- not just influential, but positively brimming with menace and swagger into his seventies-- isn't getting more than a little support.

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Fman99
Oct 20 2013 03:57 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Running in fourth is the Hall & Oates. Here they are early being either sweet and vulnerable or creepy and stalky. Great encapsulation of the Philly soul sound and a great showcase for how good capable a frontman Oates was, or would have been if he wasn't short and the second-best singer in the band.

[youtube]7dpNKsiljK8[/youtube]

That's a great song... but I'm confused. I always though that the "Philly Sound" was the sound of someone simultaneously being barfed on and heckled by an ungrateful, boorish mob.

Ashie62
Oct 20 2013 09:59 AM
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Link Wray riffs are all over Pulp Fiction...

Edgy MD
Oct 20 2013 02:22 PM
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It's not a lack of support. It's just the somewhat arty fishial limit I imposed.

When Robert Gordon first decided to put punk aside and try his hand at rock 'n' roll, Link Wray became his guitarist.

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Edgy MD
Oct 21 2013 07:26 AM
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Currently just outside the money is KISS, who might've made it sooner hadn't the band splintered so early and turned into just another hair band in the 1980s.

Said split is foreshadowed here as Paul Stanley briefly forgets Ace Frehely's name.

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Can't tell if the synching is off on the video at times or they just take footage from a completely different song and edit it in to make it look live to anybody not paying particularly close attention.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Oct 21 2013 07:44 AM
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Ace just might be the worst vocalist of all time.

seawolf17
Oct 21 2013 07:50 AM
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Linda Ronstadt and NOT KISS? You people are fucking insane.

MFS62
Oct 21 2013 07:59 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Linda Ronstadt and NOT KISS? You people are fucking insane.

Her voice has been woven through the tapestry of popular music for about 50 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Ronstadt

Why she hasn't been enshrined before now is difficult to understand.

Later

Vic Sage
Oct 21 2013 08:04 AM
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i would've voted for KISS before Rondstadt (as i noted above), but i'd probably vote for both.

And you don't have to be insane to see that, while Ronstadt's rock credentials are indeed suspect, she was a superior vocalist, and sold more records over a longer period, than KISS. KISS was mostly theatrics over musicianship, a cult act that is to classic metal bands like Zeppelin as 2 guys in a horse costume are to Secretariat. Not that there's anything wrong with that... the world also need guys willing to fill out the back end of a horse costume.

sharpie
Oct 21 2013 09:44 AM
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KISS didn't make my list and would be in my bottom 5. Seriously, does anyone ever think "I feel like listening to KISS."

Edgy MD
Oct 21 2013 09:48 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Linda Ronstadt and NOT KISS? You people are fucking insane.

Listen, as suspect as her rock cred may seem, having come from a successful folk/country career, she had a decade-long run as a top arena rock act with a rock audience, and though you may argue that she was still swinging from a country tree, well, country is foundational to rock 'n' roll, as uncool as it may be to admit it. (Though it didn't stop KISS from doing "Hard Luck Woman.") She also slathered sixties soul in there and Waddy Wachtel gave her as many good Les Paul solos as any of KISS's members and ghostplayers ever gave them.

KISS didn't make my list

OOOh! A Hall-and Oates crosss-reference. Nice.

Frayed Knot
Oct 21 2013 10:04 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
Linda Ronstadt and NOT KISS? You people are fucking insane.

I mis-read the question, I thought I was being asked if I wanted to kiss Linda Ronstadt.

Vic Sage
Oct 21 2013 10:05 AM
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Listen, as suspect as her rock cred may seem, having come from a successful folk/country career, she had a decade-plus-long run as a top arena rock act with a rock audience, and though you may argue that she was still swinging from a country tree, well, country is foundational to rock 'n' roll, as uncool as it may be to admit it. (Though it didn't stop KISS from doing "Hard Luck Woman.") She also slathered sixties soul in there and Waddy Wachtel gave her as many good Les Paul solos as any of KISS's members and ghostplayers ever gave them.

While I agree with you about luscious Linda, she's been eligible for 20 years without a HOF nod from her peers, despite her huge success, so there are more than a few who may view her "rock cred" as suspect. I also seem to recall you being more narrow in your view of what fit within the definition of "rock" in order to criticize past selections (including Madonna). But maybe i'm misremembering.

Edgy MD
Oct 21 2013 10:06 AM
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And there's nothing wrong with being INSANE!

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Vic Sage
Oct 21 2013 10:24 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 21 2013 10:30 AM
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If you're letting KISS in, why not let in Gwar? Poorer songs, but a better stage show... and it's the same damn thing.

Vic Sage
Oct 21 2013 12:19 PM
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oh, yeah? where are THEIR comic books then, hm? where's their howard the duck crossover?
and without KISS, there is no GWAR... which is probably not to their credit, i guess.

Edgy MD
Oct 21 2013 12:21 PM
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GWAR is GWAWFUL.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 21 2013 01:16 PM
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And KISS is aKISSmal.

sharpie
Oct 21 2013 01:24 PM
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Alice Cooper first became known for their make-up and stage shows but they actually, you know, had some good songs. I feel like they filled the spot reserved for loud, theatrical bands. KISS's first album came out in 1974 so they have had 14 years of being eligible. Leave 'em on the bench, I say, despite the comic books.

Edgy MD
Oct 21 2013 01:30 PM
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I dunno. Kiss was a semi-original idea, in the wake of Bowie and Alice Cooper, that had to come from somebody, but a few smart guys got together and did it first. Then they lived through the indignity of this dumb spectacle meant for massive scale done as a low-profile club act and opener. But they rode it out and became huge, albeit briefly.

GWAR seemed tired and corrupt from day one, roidy and hateful. KISS might have been seventies exploitative, but there must've been something fresh about them. They captured folks' imaginations, and GWAR didn't. Like they didn't quite get the joke they were trying to tell.

And it never really got anywhere.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 21 2013 09:37 PM
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Enough with the Kiss-dissing, I say!

I like Kiss, and there are days when I do, in fact, say, "I'd like to listen to Kiss." Mostly the live stuff, but I do like it. Sometimes I don't want to ponder the world's problems, man. I just want to ponder all the ways Gene can rhyme "knees" and "please." I have a long commute.

I think the relative brevity of their hugeness is being understated. I believe the reunion tour was 1996's biggest tour, and they were playing stadiums. (I was at the tour opener in Tiger Stadium) They're approaching 40 years, still touring and still playing arenas. And not just the summer shed oldies circuit. (Not that those shows aren't fun, too.)

They're still a viable act. I think "Monster" debuted on the Billboard chart at No. 3. How did Alice Cooper's last CD do? How about his last five CDs?

They're culturally relevant. The Tigers take the field to "Detroit Rock City." You still hear "Rock and Roll All Nite" on the radio and in places. You can still walk into Hot Topic or Spencer and get a Kiss t-shirt.

You're gonna tell me there's room in the rock hall for Dusty Springfield, Run DMC and Donna Summer and not Kiss?

Vic Sage
Oct 21 2013 09:46 PM
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Rave on, John Donne!

Edgy MD
Oct 21 2013 10:40 PM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
They're culturally relevant. The Tigers take the field to "Detroit Rock City." You still hear "Rock and Roll All Nite" on the radio and in places. You can still walk into Hot Topic or Spencer and get a Kiss t-shirt.

And the Mets --- leaving the field to "BitNYG," which is technically a KISS song.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Oct 22 2013 06:08 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
metsguyinmichigan wrote:
They're culturally relevant. The Tigers take the field to "Detroit Rock City." You still hear "Rock and Roll All Nite" on the radio and in places. You can still walk into Hot Topic or Spencer and get a Kiss t-shirt.

And the Mets --- leaving the field to "BitNYG," which is technically a KISS song.

There you go! Let'em in! They might be the Bert Blyleven type of a Hall-of-Famer and not the Tom Seaver type, but that's OK!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Oct 22 2013 05:26 PM
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I think I'm being more than charitable when I say they're more the Jim Rice type ("You had to be there-- they were HUGE!") than the Blyleven type (which would be more, say, Chicago, or Pearl Jam).

Edgy MD
Oct 22 2013 05:41 PM
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Next up in our nominee showcase are the Replacements, currently tied with KISS at eleven votes, sitting three votes outside the money.

It would be appropriate, I guess, if I showed them doing "Black Diamond," but here they are doing "Talent Show" at an ambitious but ultimately farcical TV awards show called The International Rock Awards. This is pretty much their big chance to make the big time, but they are already burning out and careening toward their breakup --- perhaps they always were after losing Bob Stinson. Carol Miller, who never got anything about punk, apologizes for them before their performance here, and if I remember correctly, apologized more earnestly afterwards.

[youtube]N5CaagwSYGk[/youtube]

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 22 2013 06:29 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
I think I'm being more than charitable when I say they're more the Jim Rice type ("You had to be there-- they were HUGE!") than the Blyleven type (which would be more, say, Chicago, or Pearl Jam).

To my ears, they're more like the Max Patkin type. Hey! Now that I think about it, Patkin's also a Hall of Famer. I forgot that when I first began to write this post.

Edgy MD
Oct 23 2013 04:38 PM
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Next up is Cat, who tried to rock hard earlier in his career, but hit his stride by unplugging. Still, he kicked an ass or two.

[youtube:3tm7h68b]lNId6M4SSNk[/youtube:3tm7h68b]

Edgy MD
Oct 24 2013 10:45 AM
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Kong76 wrote:
Deep Purple is/was every bit as musically talented as any
metal band in that silly hall ..

[youtube]MXyioV7P6hk[/youtube]

My boy Dave the Heavy Metal Theologian put them second among those on this year's ballot.
2) Deep Purple (um -- RITCHIE BLACKMORE and IAN GILLAN are top 10 all-time in their respective instrument/vocals);

I hate it when he does the "um" thing.

Edgy MD
Oct 24 2013 10:53 AM
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Vic Sage wrote:
Listen, as suspect as her rock cred may seem, having come from a successful folk/country career, she had a decade-plus-long run as a top arena rock act with a rock audience, and though you may argue that she was still swinging from a country tree, well, country is foundational to rock 'n' roll, as uncool as it may be to admit it. (Though it didn't stop KISS from doing "Hard Luck Woman.") She also slathered sixties soul in there and Waddy Wachtel gave her as many good Les Paul solos as any of KISS's members and ghostplayers ever gave them.

While I agree with you about luscious Linda, she's been eligible for 20 years without a HOF nod from her peers, despite her huge success, so there are more than a few who may view her "rock cred" as suspect. I also seem to recall you being more narrow in your view of what fit within the definition of "rock" in order to criticize past selections (including Madonna). But maybe i'm misremembering.

When Madonna spends a decade as a top rock 'n' roll act singing (and singing gloriously well) rock 'n' roll songs and stuff, we'll talk. Madonna is none of that except "top" and "act." You don't have to be narrow to feel that way.

Edgy MD
Oct 25 2013 06:32 AM
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And here in this episode of "Better Know a Candidate," we have Jack Jones introducing the Zombies (and their impossibly English names) on Hullabaloo. Very proto-punk on the refrain.

[youtube:ic16qtty]tKmA_9bSHYI[/youtube:ic16qtty]

TransMonk
Oct 31 2013 10:20 AM
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Current "it" girl Lorde with her Replacements cover:

[youtube:33dk9bfl]1wavwT7paPs[/youtube:33dk9bfl]

Edgy MD
Oct 31 2013 11:22 AM
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And now, one of the most sampled acts ever, Chic.

[youtube:1vlekpxr]TtLy_qOQWKs[/youtube:1vlekpxr]

Edgy MD
Oct 31 2013 11:26 AM
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TransMonk wrote:
Current "it" girl Lorde with her Replacements cover:

[youtube]1wavwT7paPs[/youtube]

I'm not feeling it.

TransMonk
Oct 31 2013 12:09 PM
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Oh, no doubt it is no comparison to the original...but when a 16-year-old-pop-chart-topping New Zealand girl has covered The Replacements, it shows a bit about their influence and relevance today.

She's not covering Hall & Oates here.

Edgy MD
Nov 16 2013 08:33 PM
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All the Purples ever wanted to do was make records with a mobile, but some stupid got out of control wiht his flare gun.

[youtube:1yx3w8oz]j2hbU7na1pw[/youtube:1yx3w8oz]

d'Kong76
Nov 16 2013 08:50 PM
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Sad they're largely known for that song ... arguably the
worst song on Machine Head.

[youtube:2u6qrgux]STFWapwyqMo[/youtube:2u6qrgux]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 16 2013 09:23 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Current "it" girl Lorde with her Replacements cover:

[youtube]1wavwT7paPs[/youtube]

I'm not feeling it.

I disagree.

Edgy MD
Nov 17 2013 04:56 AM
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Kong76 wrote:
Sad they're largely known for that song ... arguably the
worst song on Machine Head.

[youtube]STFWapwyqMo[/youtube]

Interesting contention. I'm just looking for good live footage of the acts while they're young and in full flower. That performance certainly captures something I hold against them --- how rawk had become big and dumb and... motionless. Gillan's got these great pipes and he's young and strong and handsome, and he seemingly feels no obligation to sell the act all. Be a frontman, you dope.

But you're right in that it's unfortunate that so much of what they were and weren't is filtered through that song. It's not a novelty song, but it's something akin.

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2013 04:29 PM
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Good evening. Here's an older-than-dirt Link Wray punking out Springsteen. I was expecting it to be an instrumental as per usual, but the old coot sings it, and then starts stepping on the pedals around the three-minute mark. Mercy.

[youtube:wjhyw251]VMkJP51XZIA[/youtube:wjhyw251]

That's an argument for a vote right there, is what it is.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 25 2013 05:53 PM
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How is that guy dead? I mean, how the hell does Death look that in the eye and not fill its robe with a pantload?

He's got to be, like, haunting a really worn-looking amp somewhere, right?

TransMonk
Nov 26 2013 10:09 AM
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Freedy Johnston covers The Replacements.

Bacon and cigarettes: a lousy dinner.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2013 10:10 AM
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Never knew what that line was.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 26 2013 10:40 AM
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Freedy Johnston covers The Replacements.

Bacon and cigarettes: a lousy dinner.

Hey that's right in my hood where Freedy hangs out. Now I need to look around for him.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2013 10:09 PM
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Carrying three votes is L.L., who will NEVER dish another raw deal.

[youtube:371k67mp]NEUX-HYRtUA[/youtube:371k67mp]

Gwreck
Dec 16 2013 10:39 PM
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RESULTS:

Nirvana
Peter Gabriel
Hall and Oates
Kiss
Cat Stevens
Linda Ronstadt.

E Street Band is getting the "award for musical excellence" (formerly known as the "Sidemen" award)

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 08:48 AM
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The forum went for the sophisticated polish of YES over the crass showmanship of KISS, but otherwise voted the same. And the Hall's jury was probably only being honest, as they probably have more crap from KISS in their collection than any other band. Congratulations to all members of a class that is,,, highly defensible.

Forum Final Tally:
Nirvana: 20
Peter Gabriel: 19
YES: 16
Hall and Oates: 15
Linda Ronstadt: 14

**********

KISS: 11
The Replacements: 11
Cat Stevens: 8
The Zombies: 6
Link Wray: 4
Chic: 4
Deep Purple: 4
LL Cool J: 2
N.W.A.: 1
The Paul Butterfield Blues Band: 1
The Meters: 0

N.W.A. wanted to thank the one voter who supported them.

seawolf17
Dec 17 2013 09:31 AM
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I was going to say "they're welcome," but I voted for LL.

Didn't realize that Paul Butterfield was a member of the Pool.

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 09:44 AM
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Just realized they went for Cat, too. We had him below the Replacements.

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2013 09:45 AM
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So do you suppose at the actual induction ceremony that the KISS fans are going to take over the room in the way that RUSH fans did last year with a similar 'IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME' attitude?

As I've said before, I muster little or no passion as to the question about who's in and who's out in this rather odd HoF. But the awards show is ultimately a performance show so some might want to rate the class based on that and, as with any aging group, the time since prime starts to present problems.

Nirvana - the obvious drawback here is the front being dead. What I suppose we'll get is the surviving two plus some hand-picked vocalist for the night
Linda Ronstadt - Suffering from Parkinson's, walks haltingly and can no longer sing. So [insert female here] will do a few numbers
Cat Stevens - No longer even known by that name, in the past he has denounced the whole concept of music although he seems to waver on that commitment from time to time
Peter Gabriel - I guess is available to perform
Hall and Oates - Both can and do still perform
KISS - Assuming you're of the opinion that they ever could make actual music, I suppose they still can although the exact lineup would be in question.

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 09:56 AM
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The Artist Formally Known as Cat Stevens is totally singing --- the last decade and more.

seawolf17
Dec 17 2013 09:57 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Nirvana - the obvious drawback here is the front being dead. What I suppose we'll get is the surviving two plus some hand-picked vocalist for the night

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 10:15 AM
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Bitchy Producer of the Induction Ceremony Show #1: I hope they have somebody under 100 going in that we can build the show around.

Bitchy Producer of the Induction Ceremony Show #2: Well, Nirvana is being inducted.

BPotICS #1: Thank God for small mercies.

BPotICS #2: And we can be sure Courtney Love will be speaking on her husband's behalf.

BPotICS #1: I hate you.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Dec 17 2013 10:38 AM
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Hey, Kiss finally gets some recognition. I approve.

As my rant above states, they're still a viable touring and recording act. And let's go easy on musical ability. We all love the Ramones, and they famously didn't start taking lessons until after they had a couple albums out.

There should be a place in the hall for bands like Kiss. People like them. They're fun. They sell a lot of concert tickets. They sell a fair amount of CDs. I don't think they have any qualms about being more like Norman Rockwell than a snooty, critic-fave artist.

seawolf17
Dec 17 2013 10:41 AM
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It's the Rock N Roll Hall of "Fame," not the Rock N Roll Hall of Punctilious, Pretentious Asshole Musicians.

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 10:45 AM
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I'm going to have to check the bylaws. I'm not certain.

sharpie
Dec 17 2013 10:48 AM
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Peter Gabriel RSVPs.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... o-20131216

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2013 10:51 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
The Artist Formally Known as Cat Stevens is totally singing --- the last decade and more.

Well then it's good to know that his religious objections to the whole idea of music is a flexible concept depending on his mood of the time.
Now all he has to do is explain if, as an artist, he still feels death sentences on other artists are appropriate when you don't like the content of their work, as he did at least tacitly about Salman Rushdie, and we'll be all good to go.

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 10:55 AM
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You're going to go this time, right?
Yeah, I will definitely go. The last time I got in, it was like two days before my tour started. I would have otherwise gone. I just thought, "I can't go. We've given ourselves very little rehearsal time." But it was a great honor. . . Unfortunately, my bass player, Tony Levin, is committed to a prog-rock cruise the week of the event. I have to see if I can do something about that. We want to steal him for a night. The idea is that people have to play, right?

That's just tragic and comic at so many levels.

As for Cat Stevens, he retired around 1979 and re-emerged over two decades later, and has been singing ever since, so that hardly represents whimsy. He's repeatedly denied ever supporting the fatwa against Rushdie, so there's little left to explain. Either you believe him or you don't.

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2013 11:05 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
He's repeatedly denied ever supporting the fatwa against Rushdie, so there's little left to explain. Either you believe him or you don't.

He also, when directly asked about it, pointedly and repeatedly refused to denounce it.
So, yeah, he never actually said that he wanted the guy dead.

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 11:15 AM
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Well, he's a weirdo.

Vic Sage
Dec 17 2013 11:48 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
The Artist Formally Known as Cat Stevens is totally singing --- the last decade and more.

Well then it's good to know that his religious objections to the whole idea of music is a flexible concept depending on his mood of the time.
Now all he has to do is explain if, as an artist, he still feels death sentences on other artists are appropriate when you don't like the content of their work, as he did at least tacitly about Salman Rushdie, and we'll be all good to go.

That's a gross overstatement and distortion of that situation.

Stevens converted to Islam in 1977, and stopped recording for western music labels a few years later. He never had any objection to music per se; what he quit was the INDUSTRY, and the subject matter of pop music, because he felt they were tainted and immoral... and i think they probably were and are, if that matters to anybody. It doesn't matter to me, but it did to him, so he changed his life to accommodate his values. He was also burnt out on writing, recording and touring music, which probably led to his conversion in the first place, so he spent the next decade doing charitable and educational work in London's Muslim community. In the `90s, he started to play and record Muslim music on his own label. In the 2000s, he return to pop music as Yusef, re-recording some of his hits and donating the money to charities. He released a new album pop music in 2006. So i don't know what you're talking about when you describe his view of music as a "flexible concept" that depends on his mood.

As for the Rushdie case: In 1989, he was speaking at a University when he was asked his view of Rushdie, and the Satanic Verses, and the ayatollah's fatwa. He restated the Koran's laws that blasphemy was a capital offense. It caused quite a stir and he backpedaled almost immediately, saying he didn't support vigilantism, and that he would respect any secular court's determination of the matter. And that's been his position for the 34 years since; i don't think he owes anybody any more clarification.

When it happened, I was disappointed in him for saying it, because i was a fan of his work. But i am also disappointed in any religion that calls speech they don't like "blasphemy" and kill those who engage in it (In fact, there's a long Judeo-Christian history of that attitude, so Islam is not alone in it, even if they are the leading progenitor of it in the modern world). I was angry for a long time that he, and other muslims, held that view, despite his subsequent "clarifications". But as the Monkees said, that was then and this is now. I don't think you bar a guy from either performing at, or going into, the HoF for that. But i wouldn't bar Barry Bonds either.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Dec 17 2013 02:07 PM
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I just didn't like his music all that much. "Father and Son" is nice. "Morning has Broken" is beautiful.

Edgy MD
Dec 17 2013 02:23 PM
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His songbook was no small contribution to the world too. "The First Cut Is the Deepest" was a big hit for four different artists, and a minor hit for others.

I visited Seattle in the early nineties and the first night there my friend asked what I wanted to do and I naturally said I wanted to hit a music club. The bouncer at the door said we were going to love the show because they had a New York(!) band that night.

Oh, crap, I thought. But the opener was local, and their first song was a double-time version of "Moonshadow," and it was great.

Frayed Knot
Dec 17 2013 02:56 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
As for the Rushdie case: In 1989, he was speaking at a University when he was asked his view of Rushdie, and the Satanic Verses, and the ayatollah's fatwa. He restated the Koran's laws that blasphemy was a capital offense. It caused quite a stir and he backpedaled almost immediately, saying he didn't support vigilantism, and that he would respect any secular court's determination of the matter. And that's been his position for the 34 years since; i don't think he owes anybody any more clarification.

That also wasn't the only time he spoke on the subject. I saw interviews where he was given every opportunity to say whether or not he agreed with the death sentence imposed on Rushdie, and while he never said 'Yes' he repeatedly danced around the question and refused to utter the word 'No' either.

Not that I think this should make him ineligible for the R&RHoF (and, like I said, I don't have any skin in this game anyway) but he's the one who (assuming he decides to attend and accept) has to stand with a room full of artists with that big matzoh ball hanging out there about how where his views on artistic freedom can stray.

Edgy MD
Dec 19 2013 07:55 AM
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Darryl Hall reacts in his trademark humblebragging Darryl Hall way.

The Paul Butterfield Blues Band wants to remind the jury that they played the blues for an audience of half a million and the jury never did.

[youtube]1Ek57X5e9Qk[/youtube]

Vic Sage
Dec 19 2013 02:09 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
As for the Rushdie case: In 1989, he was speaking at a University when he was asked his view of Rushdie, and the Satanic Verses, and the ayatollah's fatwa. He restated the Koran's laws that blasphemy was a capital offense. It caused quite a stir and he backpedaled almost immediately, saying he didn't support vigilantism, and that he would respect any secular court's determination of the matter. And that's been his position for the 34 years since; i don't think he owes anybody any more clarification.

That also wasn't the only time he spoke on the subject. I saw interviews where he was given every opportunity to say whether or not he agreed with the death sentence imposed on Rushdie, and while he never said 'Yes' he repeatedly danced around the question and refused to utter the word 'No' either.

Not that I think this should make him ineligible for the R&RHoF (and, like I said, I don't have any skin in this game anyway) but he's the one who (assuming he decides to attend and accept) has to stand with a room full of artists with that big matzoh ball hanging out there about how where his views on artistic freedom can stray.

I don't think he'll ever have to face that situation because politics, and not music, will likely keep one of the premiere singer-songwriters of the 1960s-70s out of the R&RHoF this year, and every year for the forseeable future.

Edgy MD
Dec 19 2013 02:22 PM
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You do realize that we're having this conversation in the wake of the recent news that he has been elected, right?

Vic Sage
Dec 19 2013 02:51 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
You do realize that we're having this conversation in the wake of the recent news that he has been elected, right?

i think i was being ironic, or something.
i doubt he'll go to accept the award though.

Edgy MD
Feb 23 2014 11:53 AM
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Original KISS lineup not expected to perform at ceremony.

"And now it's kind of, like, if I'm not gonna put on the makeup and do a three-song reunion for the fans, then what am I gonna do? And right now I'm not even sure if I'm gonna show up for that, you know?!" --- Ace Frehley

What's he gonna do? Well, go on tour as the cowardly lion with The Wizard of Oz, of course.

Edgy MD
Feb 23 2014 12:01 PM
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The Yusef formally known as Cat Stevens, for his part has responded to his induction with appreciation and humility.

“Every fan of any musician or any group knows how great it feels when their band does well,” he said. “I know that feeling, so I’m really happy for them as well, as well as those behind the scenes who were working to get me in there.”

That includes one equally famous supporter that Yusuf recently discovered had lobbied on his behalf.

“One of my greatest supporters turns out to be someone you wouldn’t expect,” he said. “My son found out that Johnny Ramone -- would you believe on his deathbed -- [said] one of his last wishes was that I should be inducted. So he got Eddie Vedder and [the Red Hot Chili Peppers'] John Frusciante to write letters on my behalf. Support can come from the strangest places.”

d'Kong76
Feb 23 2014 01:36 PM
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Picturing Johnny Ramone sitting around clenching his teeth
listening to Cat Stevens records is a pretty amusing thought.

Edgy MD
Feb 23 2014 02:00 PM
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Sure, and punk's favorite Republican and Yankee fan stepping up to the plate on his deathbed for the Muslim on the no-fly list.

I've always thought Vedder and Frusciante come across as two of rock's bigger jerks, but I always like to see folks reaching across lines.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 23 2014 02:25 PM
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Kiss is having a hard time wrt reunions. Gene and Paul kicked out Peter because he was a pain in the ass and Ace because he was an addict and unreliable.

When they had them back it frequently turned out badly in part because Gene and Paul are the partners, fly private jets, get suites on the road etc., while the others are just working on salary, flying coach, staying at Motel 6 etc. That probably wasn't good to avoid factions to begin with, but when Peter found out Ace was getting more salary, that drove a wedge between them.

Edgy MD
Feb 24 2014 03:38 PM
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Oh, and in case you Brooklynites haven't heard, instead of holding a ceremony at the Waldorf Astoria featuring musicians performing for musicians, this year's induction festivities will be at the Barclays Center, with (presumably very dear) tickets for sale to the public.

"KISS, WHERE ARE YOU?!"

Ashie62
Feb 26 2014 10:34 AM
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Kiss has stated they will not perform....

Edgy MD
Feb 26 2014 10:50 AM
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That's a shame. As gimicky as they are, they're one of the New Yorkiest acts the Hall is ever gonna get for a big show at the Barc.

I'll lay good money on Bruce Springsteen and the E-Street Band doing a KISS song or two.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Feb 26 2014 11:06 AM
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I think it would be funny if Ace and Peter got back at Gene and Paul by performing as Kiss, only with 2 random guys dressed as Gene and Paul.

This being a televised event, I'm sure Dave Grohl will be on hand to perform a few Kiss Klassiks.

Gwreck
Feb 27 2014 04:24 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Oh, and in case you Brooklynites haven't heard, instead of holding a ceremony at the Waldorf Astoria featuring musicians performing for musicians, this year's induction festivities will be at the Barclays Center, with (presumably very dear) tickets for sale to the public.

"KISS, WHERE ARE YOU?!"

Tickets were available in a lot of different price levels. Sure, you want a really good seat, it's going to run you $250-$500.
Don't mind sitting upstairs or in the middle levels? $66, $92, $120.

No Kiss reunion is surprising. That's why they're doing it at an arena.

batmagadanleadoff
Apr 09 2014 12:04 PM
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On the day before KISS's induction into the R&RHOF, Chuck Klosterman serves up the definitive guide to one of rock's most famous acts for Grantland, including a reference to Kiss Meet the Phantom, NBC's 1978 Tv movie, described by CK as one of the most structurally irrational movies ever made.

[fimg=733]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3755/13742751743_b287051af0.jpg[/fimg]

[youtube]zmy5WhWdQCE[/youtube]

excerpt:

The New York rock-and-roll group Kiss was formed in 1972, when two workaholic Jews (guitarist Stanley Eisen and bassist Chaim Witz) aligned forces with two boozehound Christians (drummer Peter George John Criscuola1 and guitarist Paul Frehley). Their adopted stage names are household, unless you are very young, crazy old, or not interested in loud music: Paul Stanley, Gene Simmons, Peter Criss, and Ace Frehley (the last adopting “Ace” because the band didn’t need another Paul). The group was spawned upon the dissolution of Simmons and Stanley’s previous band, Wicked Lester, a folk-rock five-piece Simmons likes to compare to the United Nations (due to their mixture of ethnicities and nonuniform physical appearance). Wicked Lester scored a record deal with Epic, but most of the music was never officially released....

Throughout the last half of the ’70s, Kiss operated as the biggest band in the world — although not because of record sales (groups like Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles sold way, way more). Kiss simply declared that their enormity was reality, and reality elected to agree. They were popular enough for every member of the band to release a solo album on the same day and to have their actual blood mixed into the ink of Marvel comic books; they were popular enough to star in one of the most structurally irrational movies ever made and to sleep with the likes of Diana Ross. They were popular the way Pepsi is popular. But somewhere around 1979, a lot of odd and foreseeable things started happening in persistent succession: They made a disco album, Peter was fired, they made a concept album, Ace quit, they took off the makeup, they fired the guy hired to replace Ace, the guy who replaced the guy who replaced Ace got a bone disease, they sued a record label, they temporarily rediscovered popularity, the drummer who replaced Peter died from heart cancer, the original quartet reunited for $144 million, they created a 3-D concert experience (even though life is already three-dimensional), Peter quit twice, Ace quit again (and was replaced by a guy who once painted Paul Stanley’s house), Gene blamed the Internet for ruining music, Paul played the lead in Phantom of the Opera, and every original member wrote an autobiography. And now it’s today, and Kiss are still my favorite band, for reasons I incessantly attempt to articulate to varying degrees of imaginary success....

Is his essay collection The Disappointment Artist, Jonathan Lethem writes about his insecurity over analyzing the legacy of literary hero Philip K. Dick, an author whose best work had already been chronicled and whose worst work is relatively awful. Early in the piece, Lethem sums up his feelings with a lyric from Bob Dylan: “I’m in love with the ugliest girl in the world.” I strongly relate to this sentiment, particularly since that’s what Gene Simmons literally resembled in 1986.

Kiss do not make it easy for Kiss fans. There’s never been a rock group so easy to appreciate in the abstract and so hard to love in the specific.

http://grantland.com/chuck-klosterman-k ... l-of-fame/

Zvon
Apr 09 2014 12:40 PM
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Music wise, meh. But my kid brothers will disagree, and they were way into em, not me. I will say that their act has become a successful and enduring franchise, and for that they deserve a spot.

I saw a recent picture of Paul Stanley the other day & I thought I was looking at Tiny Tim.

Edgy MD
Apr 09 2014 12:45 PM
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The poor Meters.

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Edgy MD
Apr 09 2014 12:54 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Darryl Hall reacts in his trademark humblebragging Darryl Hall way.

I just re-read this and realize Darryl says "I" 10 or 20 times and never once says "We."

G-Fafif
Apr 09 2014 01:57 PM
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That Kiss article rocked 'n' rolled all nite.

TransMonk
Apr 09 2014 05:09 PM
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Pinch me:

Joan Jett May Front Nirvana At 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 09 2014 06:51 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
That Kiss article rocked 'n' rolled all nite.

However, it had other plans during the day and could not party.

Edgy MD
Apr 09 2014 09:48 PM
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Pinch me:

Joan Jett May Front Nirvana At 2014 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction

That's something. I like it mostly because it kind of tweaks the Hall for ignoring Joan's own legacy.

I always thought, if they wanted to do go back to the well after Kurt, that Sinead O'Connor would have made a good choice.

But I guess that was never going to happen.

Mets – Willets Point
Apr 10 2014 10:02 AM
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Salman Rushdie tweets his congratulations to Cat Stevens.

TransMonk
Apr 11 2014 07:42 AM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 11 2014 10:44 PM
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St. Vincent, Kim Gordon and Lorde also stepped in...

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