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Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Mex17 Nov 17 2013 07:40 PM

I know that Francesa is not the most popular guy around here, but earlier this week he did float the notion that Markakis could possibly be obtained for a package that included Ike, Murphy, and a minor league pitcher that would be "below the level of Syndergaard". I was left wondering if that meant Montero or not. Open question, in such a theoretical trade, would it take Montero as the third piece to get it done, or do Ike and Murphy carry enough value as a combo to leave Montero out of the trade in favor of one of Mazzoni/Fulmer/Mateo/Tapia/Ynoa/Matz/whoever? Opine at your pleasure.

metsmarathon Nov 17 2013 08:12 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

markakis is a minus-defender, who last year played at replacement level, and is owed $15M next year. before then, he's mostly a 1.5-2 win player, and is a long time removed from his 6-win 2008 campaign. if it costs more than ike, it costs too much.

Mex17 Nov 17 2013 08:18 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

metsmarathon wrote: markakis is a minus-defender, who last year played at replacement level, and is owed $15M next year. before then, he's mostly a 1.5-2 win player, and is a long time removed from his 6-win 2008 campaign. if it costs more than ike, it costs too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_markakis I'm reading Gold Glove, leader in outfield assists, and leader in OF fielding percentage. I don't know in what sabermetric criss-cross logic world that equates to "minus defender". Probably the same one that came up with this "replacement level" crap that I now cannot get away from.

Frayed Knot Nov 17 2013 08:55 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

It's been said before about Markakis that owner Angelos would never trade him because both are Greek and Angelos feels an attachment. Not sure how true that is, but it's out there. Having not heard it or the context in which it was delivered, I'm not sure whether Francesa is repeating something he legitimately heard from an actual source with some knowledge or if he's merely speculating out loud about Markakis being available and arbitrarily stating what he thinks it would take (or, frankly, if he can any longer tell the difference ... those voices in his head get awful loud every once in a while).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2013 09:33 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Yeah I was surprised to see the level to which Markakis had declined to, at his best he's a real nice hitter but at this point I wouldn't pay too much. That said I'd take my chances on a challenge deal for Ike.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2013 07:00 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

The only problem with an Ike trade is that I'd say the O's probably feel pretty much set with Chris Davis manning 1B. A couple of years back I would have jumped at a Muffy/Markakis deal but not so much now. Not only has Markakis declined* but we'd be on the hook for either $17mil over one year or $34.5 over two (club option) and/or he has the ability to walk after 2014 (player can void). * [u:3vk5dhjg]TEN[/u:3vk5dhjg] HRs for a full-season LHB in THAT park?!?! I assumed he had missed large chunks of time this year but that was 2012, those HRs this season came via 700 PAs and he hasn't hit as many as 20 since 2008. And all that would be one thing if his OBA was still around .400 like it was in '08 or even the .370 of 2010 - but now that it's fallen to .317 just as he's turning 30 (yesterday in fact) ...

MFS62 Nov 18 2013 07:08 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

What FK said. Muffy for him straight up? Maybe a year or two ago.. But those three for him now? Pass Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 18 2013 07:15 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

You wonder though, if like Ike, he's a "change of scenery" guy. Maybe he needs to get away from Angelos. Ike would probably hit a billion HRs in that park.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2013 07:43 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Y'know, at first I was just focusing on the abstract concept of a Markakis trade and am just now paying attention to the specifics of Francesa's proposal as per Mex's post -- [u:1a8u4hty]Ike, Murphy, and a minor league pitcher that would be "below the level of Syndergaard"[/u:1a8u4hty] -- and realizing how absurd it all is. As I said before, at this point I'm not sure I'd give up Muffy straight-up for him much less as merely 1/3 of the deal. Knowing big Mike I'm sure he's taking Markakis's status is as an AL East player (always big in his book) plus remembering a handful of big hits he's had against the Yanx in recent years ("He's Clutch!!!") and blowing him up into near superstar status whose stats would rocket up 40% merely by moving to the (vastly inferior) National League. The idea of a Markakis trade is certainly something worth discussing. These specifics of it are ridiculous.

MFS62 Nov 18 2013 07:51 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

At least Massive Mike knows about Snydergaard. Remember when a caller asked him about (then top prospect) David Wright and he didn't know who David was? Later

Ceetar Nov 18 2013 07:57 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

I've always kinda like Markakis. hey look, he's from Glen Cove! but given the contract values, I'd rather gamble on Ike having a second-half performance all year (hey, Ike's had a better stretch more recently than Nick). Yeah, need an OF and you can replace Ike with Duda which minimizes Lucas' one major deficit, but looking at guys like Byrd and Hairston who have good years, you can probably find someone to man a corner for waaaay cheaper.

metsmarathon Nov 18 2013 08:53 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Mex17 wrote: markakis is a minus-defender, who last year played at replacement level, and is owed $15M next year. before then, he's mostly a 1.5-2 win player, and is a long time removed from his 6-win 2008 campaign. if it costs more than ike, it costs too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_markakis I'm reading Gold Glove, leader in outfield assists, and leader in OF fielding percentage. I don't know in what sabermetric criss-cross logic world that equates to "minus defender". Probably the same one that came up with this "replacement level" crap that I now cannot get away from. it is, afterall possible to have a good arm, and catch the balls that are hit to you, and not be very good at getting to a lot of balls. nick markakis has a good arm, a good glove (in that few balls clank off of it), and has poor range.

themetfairy Nov 18 2013 09:01 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

I remember a telecast over the summer where Gary asked Keith who was the most fascinating player in the majors, and Keith surprised him by making a case for Markakis. That's all I've got.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 18 2013 11:27 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Frayed Knot wrote: The idea of a Markakis trade is certainly something worth discussing. These specifics of it are ridiculous. [Points wildly to this] [Gives enthusiastic thumbs-up] For what it's worth, he is a local guy, born in Glen Cove, '83. Which, y'know, probably just means he wore #2 on his high-school baseball team and drives too fast on weekends.

batmagadanleadoff Nov 18 2013 11:56 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

I don't follow other teams (especially the O's) enough to have an opinion as to why he declined recently. In general, I'm not excited about any of the Mets free agent options. Partly because I believe the Mets grasp is limited and partly because the team isn't close to contending. The Mets were a bad team last year with Harvey and Byrd. Logic dictates that they're gonna be even worse without the production of those two guys. Teams can improve their standing through free agency, but free agency never turned a bad team into a playoff contender. Ted Turner couldn't do it. Neither could the Yankees. The Mets are too far away to think that one mid-tier free agent is gonna make a big difference. I suppose if a bad team could stock up on bona fide superstar free agents who haven't entered their age prime yet (like Carlos Beltran), they could get very good very fast. But that strategy isn't feasible -- it's too expensive and Beltran type free agents (I'm talking about the Beltran that the Mets first signed) are rare. And our Mets can no longer afford those top tier free agents anyway. I suppose the Mets'll sign some 30+ year old mid-tier free agent this off-season. Some guy who, because of his age, probably has a very narrow window of effective game left in his tank. Some guy that'll probably suck or even be out of the league by the time the Mets are contenders again. Now if Ike Davis can play solid for a whole season, or return some solid performer in a trade, and d'Arnhaud can start to play like one of the best hitting catchers in baseball, which is how many scouts pegged him ....

Zvon Nov 18 2013 12:36 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Mex17 wrote: ..... and a minor league pitcher that would be "below the level of Syndergaard". Wouldn't you hate to be this pitcher? No matter how good or bad the guy is they will have capped his confidence.

Frayed Knot Nov 18 2013 01:15 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Born in Glen Cove, HS & College in Georgia. So he's probably a local guy in the same way LoDuca was a local guy - not that that stopped the media from acting like they knew him from the malt shop back in the day. But maybe Markakis still has some relatives in Astoria.

smg58 Nov 18 2013 02:00 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Based on OPS+, his good years are what Andre Ethier does consistently. So there are a number of guys I'd look at first.

Lefty Specialist Nov 18 2013 04:58 PM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

Diner owners in the tri-state area would be happy. Me, not so much.

Edgy MD Nov 19 2013 05:09 AM Re: Thoughts on a possible Markakis trade?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: You wonder though, if like Ike, he's a "change of scenery" guy. Maybe he needs to get away from Angelos. Ike would probably hit a billion HRs in that park. Here's a project: Define the parameters of a study that attempts to prove whether or not such guys even exist.