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going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon
Nov 22 2013 11:31 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 22 2013 11:33 AM

i just pulled the list of the metly hitters with the top 50 WARs for their metly career, according to baseball reference.

i then ranked those top 50 according to WAR per 600 plate appearances, as reported again by baseball reference.

david wright is #6 on the list.

one at a time, lets see if you can name the other 9 in the top ten.

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5.
6. david wright
7.
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9.
10.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 22 2013 11:32 AM
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John Olerud

Ceetar
Nov 22 2013 11:33 AM
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Strawberry.

metsmarathon
Nov 22 2013 11:35 AM
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olerud and strawberry are on the list.

1.
2.
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4.
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7.
8.
9.
10.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 22 2013 11:38 AM
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HoJO

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 22 2013 11:39 AM
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Gill Key

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 22 2013 11:40 AM
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Beltran

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 22 2013 11:40 AM
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Reyes

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 22 2013 11:40 AM
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Delgado

Edgy MD
Nov 22 2013 11:42 AM
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Kablammeron.

Edgy MD
Nov 22 2013 11:42 AM
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Kent.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 22 2013 11:43 AM
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Mike Piazza.


duh.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 22 2013 12:03 PM
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Cleon Jones

Edgy MD
Nov 22 2013 12:06 PM
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Lance, Son of John.

dinosaur jesus
Nov 22 2013 12:09 PM
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Magadan.

metsmarathon
Nov 22 2013 12:12 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

time to catch up:

hojo, no.
gilkey... yes!
beltran... good god, of course!
reyes? rey-no!
delgado? oh, oh no.
cameron? come on now. he actually didin't have enough career WAR to make hte list, at 4.2, but would've been around #23rd
kent... kryptonite.
and finally, mike pizza. of course not. did you really forget how bad his last two met seasons were? in his last two seasons, he had almost 900 plate appearances, and put up only 0.2 WAR total. toss those aside though, and he's ahead of strawberry.

1.
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4.
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7.
8.
9.
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA

not in top 10:
mike piazza #12 3.70 WAR/600 PA
jose reyes #15 3.43 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA

Ceetar
Nov 22 2013 12:17 PM
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Robin Ventura

Gwreck
Nov 22 2013 12:52 PM
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Keith

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 22 2013 04:36 PM
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Dykstra?

Fman99
Nov 22 2013 08:53 PM
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K. McReynolds

86-Dreamer
Nov 23 2013 05:50 AM
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Henry Winkler

86-Dreamer
Nov 23 2013 05:52 AM
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Jackie Coogan

86-Dreamer
Nov 23 2013 06:03 AM
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Jeff Bridges

86-Dreamer
Nov 23 2013 06:11 AM
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Farrah Fawcett

Edgy MD
Nov 23 2013 08:19 AM
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I was gonna say Fawcett.

Chad Ochoseis
Nov 23 2013 08:24 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

86-Dreamer wrote:
Henry Winkler


Fonzie's not a bad guess.

Also, Moishe ben Felipe?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 23 2013 09:22 AM
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Ed Norton.

batmagadanleadoff
Nov 23 2013 11:57 AM
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Rey Ordonez

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 08:43 AM
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so, um, yeah... where was i...

cleon jones. had three really good years. and a bunch of not good years. nope.
lance johnson - i was surprised to see his name on the list. not as much as one or two other players. but he did well in his one and a half metly seasons.
dave magadan - figured he'd get named sooner. not on the list, but close.
robin ventura - close, but no cigar.
keith hernandez - now you're talking!
lenny dykstra - nailed it!
kevin mcreynolds - no, but not terrible
edgardo alfonzo (i think) - thumbs up!
moises alou - like cameron but better, rate-wise. his 2.3 career metly WAR don't get him near the top 50. still, not top-10 caliber.
rey ordonez - [snicker]

so where do we stand?

1. lenny freaking dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance freaking johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith freaking hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo freakig alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9.
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA

ok, i'm going to mix things up a bit, because while i think #9 is going to take a while to guess, i'm curious to see just how long you guys take to guess out the top 15 WARingest metly hitters.

11.
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top [crossout:3kd6bs18]10[/crossout:3kd6bs18]15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA

moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

86-Dreamer
Nov 25 2013 08:59 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

86-Dreamer wrote:
Jeff Bridges


Stearns?

86-Dreamer
Nov 25 2013 09:01 AM
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86-Dreamer wrote:
Farrah Fawcett


Angel Pagan

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 09:06 AM
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stearns and pagan are both on the list. leaving only mister mysterious top metly hitter #14 reamining.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA

moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2013 09:14 AM
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Eddie Murray.

86-Dreamer
Nov 25 2013 09:55 AM
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Mookie?

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 11:44 AM
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steady eddie notched a meager 2.6 WAR in his career as a metly hitter, spanning 1284 plate appearances.

mookie wilson notched 20.7 WAR in his metly career, but required over 4000 plate appearances.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA

moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 11:57 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

i wonder if it's time for a hint. or can you guess this last remaining mets hitter's name unaided?

i'm pretty sure most die hard mets fans have heard of him. he is, after all, one of the top 50 WAR producers among mets batters, as recorded by baseball-reference.

to be fair, his total includes some credit for his defense, though he really wasn't terribly reknowned for his glovework. fielding his position contributed a measly 0.2 WAR.

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2013 12:08 PM
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Marlon Boid.

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 12:36 PM
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ooh, now that's an excellent guess.

unfortunately for the purposes of this quiz, marlon byrd does not meet the minimum WAR cutoff in that he is not on the list of 50 mets batters with the highest WAR total.

he garnered 4.0 WAR this year, in a measly 464 plate appearances, and woudl've knocked hte socks off almost everyone on this list, except for good ol' lenny dykstra.

but he's not on the list, and is unranked.

our mystery guy lifted a bat for the mets for at least one full season, possibly more.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 12:38 PM
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did i make it clear that the list is compiled by baseball reference, and counts offensive WAR and defensive WAR towards the total? i hope that i did.

our mystery guy may surprise you, but hey, i'm not the one calculating what WAR measures. i'm just dividing by plate appearances and asking you to guess about it.

Ceetar
Nov 25 2013 12:42 PM
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Roger Cedeno

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 01:10 PM
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roger cedeno contributed 1 WAR in his three seasons with the mets. his offense wasn't really the problem, picking up 3.3 oWAR. defense, on the other hand, knocked him down something fierce, at -3.9 dWAR. note that if you add 3.3 and -3.9, you fail to come up with 1.0. this is because the positional adjustment appears on both sides of hte ledger. i think. eh, something like that.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 25 2013 01:22 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Krusty Blaub?

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 01:31 PM
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staub's 6.9 WAR took almost 3,000 plate appearances to accumulate. still, he's on the top 50, if only by a sliver of a thread.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

Ceetar
Nov 25 2013 01:40 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Agee?

seawolf17
Nov 25 2013 01:48 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Bonilla?

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 03:03 PM
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neither tommie nor bobbie make the cut.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2013 03:25 PM
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Tim Teufel!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 25 2013 05:45 PM
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Benjamin Grimm
Nov 25 2013 07:02 PM
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Mike Shrimp?

Edgy MD
Nov 25 2013 07:56 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

I was thinking Mike Crawfish.

metsmarathon
Nov 25 2013 08:19 PM
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is that brian mcrae? because if it is, you still have time to change your answer.

teuffel is also not the right answer. i don't have the numbers in front of me, but i think he's #19, 3.4 WAR/600 PA

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 25 2013 09:45 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

No entiende?

Okay, una vez mas...

MFS62
Nov 25 2013 09:56 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Wally Backman

Later

metsmarathon
Nov 26 2013 06:33 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

i don't recall a tyson kirk ever playing for the mets. some guy named mike cameron did, and was already guessed. not a bad guess altogether, but less productive than howard johnson.

wally backman also played for the mets, and was also less productive than howard johnson.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

you guys give up, or're ya thirsty for more?

because you're never going to guess this guy who was really productive with his bat (and glove), according to baseball reference's WAR list. well, you might, if i ever decide to pepper this thread with hints.

metsmarathon
Nov 26 2013 06:36 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

okay. i'll give a hint.

the mystery player wore one number as a met, and he also wore that same number when he was not a met. he also wore different numbers when he was not a met. one of those numbers was 17.

metsmarathon
Dec 02 2013 02:39 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

i'm really disappointed in you guys. your collective inability to guess our mystery met hitter, he's not some no-name schlub, is really making me sick.

he was, while a met, generally regarded as a good hitter, as his inclusion here should attest. it's not like the guy was a short timer, either. he was a met for longer than at least one other player in the top 15.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 02 2013 05:33 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Gregg Jefferies

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2013 12:28 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

jeffries seems like a good answer. much more like a good answer than the real remaining answer.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2013 12:31 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

i'll toss out another hint. our remaining player's career spanned 17 years, though he only played for 16 seasons, and ended before the onset of the 21st century.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 03 2013 01:26 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

I'm boycotting the rest of this quiz because Angel Pagan made the top 10. Your list is FUBAR.

seawolf17
Dec 03 2013 01:58 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Gary Carter?

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2013 02:30 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

at some point in his baseball career, gary carter was a teammate of the correct answer. but he's never been a teammate of himself, so he's not correct.
and if angel pagan making htis list isn't enough of a curve ball, well, wait until the last guy is revealed.

hey guy, i don't make the stats. i just make the lists and choose frustratingly arbitrary cutoff points.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 03 2013 02:33 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Ellis Valentine? (Carter's teammate - check... wore 17 ... check ... um, got some WAR value from D ... check ... good hitter? uh ...)

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2013 02:43 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

valentine racked up a grand total of -0.1 WAR in his 526 metly plate appearances. i could add him to the bottom of the list, if you really want me to...

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2013 02:52 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

at this point, i don't know wether i should throw out another hint. y'all have should enough to crack the case.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 03 2013 02:56 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Ellis Valentine was a pretty good player who, undeservedly, got the superstar treatment because Bill James hadn't gone mainstream yet. (See, also, Garvey, Steve for an extreme example of this '70s phenomenon)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 03 2013 03:04 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon wrote:
at this point, i don't know wether i should throw out another hint. y'all have should enough to crack the case.



YOUR HINTS SUCK!!!

Ceetar
Dec 03 2013 03:24 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

I just looked it up. I was, and they are, never going to get it. (provided I did my math right, but still)

metsmarathon
Dec 03 2013 06:46 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

yabbut, knowing the answers, you have to admit that the hints i'm throwing out there are pretty good, right?

Ceetar
Dec 03 2013 07:51 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon wrote:
yabbut, knowing the answers, you have to admit that the hints i'm throwing out there are pretty good, right?


oh, yeah. They're good hints. The answer is right there, staring. Clearly we just don't know the Mets as well as we think we do.

Edgy MD
Dec 03 2013 08:00 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Wore 17 and played with Gary Carter, but not on the Mets. Gonna drive me bonkers.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 03 2013 08:23 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

This is killing me.

Ceetar
Dec 04 2013 01:29 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

They're out of guesses it feels like. Give them progressively easier hints.

MFS62
Dec 04 2013 09:53 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Thon, stop torturing us.
If you don't give us the answer, we will torture YOU.
We will lock you in a warm, humid, room and play a continuous loop of Suzyn Waldmann Yankee comments.
You have been warned.

Later

metsmarathon
Dec 05 2013 07:01 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

k. fine. i still think the hints i'm giving you guys are good enough.

if you still can't get it, i'll ask this guy to bring you the answer.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2013 07:07 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Kris Benson!

Edgy MD
Dec 05 2013 07:23 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Bobby Klaus!

metsmarathon
Dec 05 2013 07:46 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

in kris benson's two years with the mets, h amassed a grand total of 2.8 WAR combined between his pitching and his hitting. that's way less than our correct answer guy.

and neither he nor bobby klaus ever wore the uniform number 17 in the majors.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 05 2013 07:53 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

I'm trying to think whether or not the Mets ever had a player named "Nick Kringle".

Ceetar
Dec 05 2013 08:13 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

That's both an obtuse, cruel, and awesome hint btw.

metsmarathon
Dec 05 2013 07:45 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

do you guys really need another clue after all i've given you? over the course of the mystery met hitter's career, he was lucky enough to play enough seasons to get his name on a hall of fame ballot. come time to tally the votes, he fell short of enshrinement. got so few votes, he fell off the ballot altogether, though some think his fate was a little unfair.

batmagadanleadoff
Dec 05 2013 08:09 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon wrote:
do you guys really need another clue after all i've given you? over the course of the mystery met hitter's career, he was lucky enough to play enough seasons to get his name on a hall of fame ballot.


You already told us that he played for 16 seasons. So the HOF ballot clue wasn't much of a clue. Not that I need a clue. I'm boycotting the rest of this quiz. Remember? I'd figure it out in 5 minutes if I really wanted to.

metsmarathon
Dec 05 2013 08:18 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

if you need me to spell it out, i certainly could....

Ceetar
Dec 06 2013 07:49 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon wrote:
do you guys really need another clue after all i've given you? over the course of the mystery met hitter's career, he was lucky enough to play enough seasons to get his name on a hall of fame ballot. come time to tally the votes, he fell short of enshrinement. got so few votes, he fell off the ballot altogether, though some think his fate was a little unfair.


Still holds plenty of Mets records.

MFS62
Dec 06 2013 08:14 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Felix Millan.

Later

Edgy MD
Dec 06 2013 08:22 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

I've been weighing Millan for two days. But I can't see where he played with Carter.

MFS62
Dec 06 2013 08:32 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Edgy MD wrote:
I've been weighing Millan for two days. But I can't see where he played with Carter.

I got confused by all those hints. Missed that one. But he did have lots of dWAR.

Later

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 11:59 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Ceetar wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
do you guys really need another clue after all i've given you? over the course of the mystery met hitter's career, he was lucky enough to play enough seasons to get his name on a hall of fame ballot. come time to tally the votes, he fell short of enshrinement. got so few votes, he fell off the ballot altogether, though some think his fate was a little unfair.


Still holds plenty of Mets records.


shush, you! my quiz, my hints.

besides, i think the hall of fame ballot thing was a perfectly fine hint. its not like everys single player who plays 10 years or more gets on the ballot (is it?). he had to be quite good enough to get on there. i mean, each year, sure, there's a bit of mediocrity at the bottom fringes of it, but there's a merit thing to getting on the ballot... or am i wrong...?

regardless, the answer is there just waiting for you.

Ceetar
Dec 06 2013 12:02 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon wrote:
metsmarathon wrote:
do you guys really need another clue after all i've given you? over the course of the mystery met hitter's career, he was lucky enough to play enough seasons to get his name on a hall of fame ballot. come time to tally the votes, he fell short of enshrinement. got so few votes, he fell off the ballot altogether, though some think his fate was a little unfair.


Still holds plenty of Mets records.


shush, you! my quiz, my hints.

besides, i think the hall of fame ballot thing was a perfectly fine hint. its not like everys single player who plays 10 years or more gets on the ballot (is it?). he had to be quite good enough to get on there. i mean, each year, sure, there's a bit of mediocrity at the bottom fringes of it, but there's a merit thing to getting on the ballot... or am i wrong...?

regardless, the answer is there just waiting for you.


my bad. I don't want to be in the crosshairs when they [crossout]figure it out[/crossout] you tell them anyway.

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 12:06 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

no. no you don't.

i'm actually looking forward to the big reveal.

mwu-ha-ha-ha

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 12:39 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

oh yeah. the cat. felix millan is not the correct answer, though there's some convergence here. when they were not mets, both he and our mystery man wore the number 11.

these hints are too good. i couldn't give away the answer any more if i straight up told you his name. batmags probably wants to corner me in a dark alley and punch me out...

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

Edgy MD
Dec 06 2013 12:48 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Gary Templeton? But he... was bad!

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 01:07 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

despite his bbref-referenced nickname of "jumpsteady" (wtf!?), garry templeton was indeed bad. very bad indeed. -1.1 WAR in a meager 234 plate appearances bad. i won't bother putting him on the list, if you don't mind.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 06 2013 01:43 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Wayne Garrett?

Edgy MD
Dec 06 2013 01:47 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Played good D, played with Carter, and wore 11, but I don't recall him ever wearing 17.

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 01:51 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

garret's a fine guess, and yes, he was good with his glove. but he didn't have nearly the arm* of our missing met.

*at least not as far as their respective reputations wouldtend to indicate...

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 01:58 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

oh, right. i forgot to add benson and klaus to the list. my bad.

both are unranked, but deserve mention, i suppose.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
kris benson (unranked) 1.60 WAR/600 PA
bobby klaus (unranked) 1.40 WAR/600 PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

seawolf17
Dec 06 2013 02:22 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

metsmarathon wrote:
garret's a fine guess, and yes, he was good with his glove. but he didn't have nearly the arm* of our missing met.


IT'S A PITCHER. El Sid!

edit: No, Sid didn't wear 17, obviously. Ronnie did with the A's, though.

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 02:29 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

el sid... el no!

oh, i have kris and klaus' hitting stats wrong in the preceding list, not that it changes anything.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
sid fernandez (unranked) 1.66 WAR/600 PA
kris benson (unranked) 1.40 WAR/600 PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
bobby klaus (unranked) 0.84 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Dec 06 2013 02:31 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

multiple guessing bad!

darling, also bad. but he had exactly 600 metly plate appearnces, so the math was super-easy.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
kris benson (unranked) 1.60 WAR/600 PA
bobby klaus (unranked) 1.40 WAR/600 PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
ron darling (unranked) 1.10 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Dec 09 2013 02:48 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

have you all given up?

does nobody want to crack the case?

or is the writing on the wall that i need to give up and disclose the answer?

Edgy MD
Dec 09 2013 03:21 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Chris "Kringle" Cannizzaro.

metsmarathon
Dec 10 2013 07:39 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

ah, good ol' kringle canizzaro. not quite good enough to make the list. but still pretty good in his time here, and for our purposes. the positional adjustment and his defensive goodness overcame his weak bat. he's our third-highest unranked met.

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
chris canizzaro (unranked) 3.19 WAR/600
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
kris benson (unranked) 1.60 WAR/600 PA
bobby klaus (unranked) 1.40 WAR/600 PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
ron darling (unranked) 1.10 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

so.. what... have i just drug this quiz out long enough? is nobody else playing?

i'm telling you guys, the answer is right there. i don't know how many more times i need to tell you it. it's right there for the taking.

i know. you're all pissed that you've failed this test. you probably want to suspend my membership on the board for a time. i get it. i understand. you're sick and tired of all this belly itching. you want it to be over.

and it can be.

if you just give me his name.

say his name. you can do it. it's right there on the tip of your tongue.

do you need a key?

no, you don't need a key. you're better than that.

you can do this.

i know you can.

if you're really looking for another hint, this is the best i can do.

during his career, chris canizzaro wore one of the same uniform numbers as our mystery met also wore during his career.



i've siad too much!

pease peas pretty please give me the name i'm looking for so we can end this.

seawolf17
Dec 10 2013 07:42 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

RA Dickey?

Edgy MD
Dec 10 2013 07:52 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Juan Lagares.

metsmarathon
Dec 10 2013 08:05 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

juan lagares! tremendous answer!

its wrong, but still tremendous! if he'd played a full season at the same level, he'd be right on top of this list.

but he didn't, and he's not. he's a win shy of getting on the top 50. but 3.5 WAR in 421 plate appearnaces is not too shabby at all.


is right answer dickey the answer to our quiz? he's wrong answer dickey. but your guesses are getting better and better!

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14.
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
ra dickey (unranked) 2.14 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

juan lagares (unranked) 5.27 WAR/600 PA
marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
chris canizzaro (unranked) 3.19 WAR/600
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
kris benson (unranked) 1.60 WAR/600 PA
bobby klaus (unranked) 1.40 WAR/600 PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
ron darling (unranked) 1.10 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

metsmarathon
Dec 11 2013 11:20 AM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

come on guys, don't tell me you're tired of striking out on this question! don't you all give up on me yet!

i'm not making you look down the barell of a loaded gun here. i'm just asking you to name a met who did a pretty good job of hitting and (maybe) defense, when compared to the replacement level for his position, as measured on a per 600 plate appearance scale.

he's not some noname. many of you may even have looked up to him, once upon a time. if you make me give away the answer, you'll all be really really upset.

but fine, i'll give you two more hints. throughout his long career, he only played in one world series, and batted 0.500. and late in his career, he played for the team in the city he grew up in.

you've gotta know the answer by now. you've just gotta.

seawolf17
Dec 11 2013 12:06 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Doc Muthafuckin Gooden. Carter, wore 17 with the Yankees. Fuckin' hell.

Edgy MD
Dec 11 2013 12:11 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

Holy crap. That's it.

metsmarathon
Dec 11 2013 02:36 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

holy crap, that is it indeed.

a (possibly partial) list of hints...
the mystery player wore one number as a met, and he also wore that same number when he was not a met. he also wore different numbers when he was not a met. one of those numbers was 17.

obviously, that number was 16. i couldn't just tell you that.
he was, while a met, generally regarded as a good hitter, as his inclusion here should attest. it's not like the guy was a short timer, either. he was a met for longer than at least one other player in the top 15.

he was actually a met for longer than anyone on the top 15. but again, telling you that might give it away too much.
i'll toss out another hint. our remaining player's career spanned 17 years, though he only played for 16 seasons, and ended before the onset of the 21st century.

toss. because pitcher. also i figured i needed to put 16 in there somewhere...
at some point in his baseball career, gary carter was a teammate of the correct answer.

indeed, it was with the mets!
and if angel pagan making htis list isn't enough of a curve ball, well, wait until the last guy is revealed.

because doc had a really good curve
at this point, i don't know wether i should throw out another hint. y'all have should enough to crack the case.

get it? crack?
yabbut, knowing the answers, you have to admit that the hints i'm throwing out there are pretty good, right?

again, because pitcher
k. fine. i still think the hints i'm giving you guys are good enough.

as in doctor k, who was fined a few times for his drug use. then of course i just went and spelled his name for you.
if you still can't get it, i'll ask this guy to bring you the answer.


coke is it.
seriously, at this point you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
in kris benson's two years with the mets, h amassed a grand total of 2.8 WAR combined between his pitching and his hitting. that's way less than our correct answer guy.

indeed, in his metly career, gooden amassed over 46 WAR combined between his pitcing and hitting.
do you guys really need another clue after all i've given you? over the course of the mystery met hitter's career, he was lucky enough to play enough seasons to get his name on a hall of fame ballot. come time to tally the votes, he fell short of enshrinement. got so few votes, he fell off the ballot altogether, though some think his fate was a little unfair.

gooden probably deserved to get a little more than 3% of the ballot. he was certainly better than some other players who lingered. also, i'm still unclear as to whether or not you automatically get on the ballot merely for having played in more than ten seasons. like, you've gotta be a little good, right?
if you need me to spell it out, i certainly could....

indeed, i alreaady had. and would again!
ceetar wrote:
Still holds plenty of Mets records.

ceetar popped in with one here that i was tempted to give too. but i didn't want to just give it away. i'm surprised this didn;t help more. but by this point you all were so far afield...
besides, i think the hall of fame ballot thing was a perfectly fine hint. its not like everys single player who plays 10 years or more gets on the ballot (is it?). he had to be quite good enough to get on there.... blah blah blah... regardless, the answer is there just waiting for you.

spelled it right out again.
felix millan is not the correct answer, though there's some convergence here. when they were not mets, both he and our mystery man wore the number 11.

gooden wore 11 with the yankees his first time around
these hints are too good. i couldn't give away the answer any more if i straight up told you his name. batmags probably wants to corner me in a dark alley and punch me out...

i did tell you his name. how much more could you want? how about corner, like k korner.
also, punch out. as in strike out.
garret's a fine guess, and yes, he was good with his glove. but he didn't have nearly the arm* of our missing met.

*at least not as far as their respective reputations wouldtend to indicate...

gooden had a really good arm. i don't think garret had quite so good an arm.
does nobody want to crack the case? or is the writing on the wall that i need to give up and disclose the answer?

there one of those cocaine references again. and surely you all remember gooden signing the wall at citi field.
ah, good ol' kringle canizzaro. not quite good enough to make the list. but still pretty good in his time here, and for our purposes. the positional adjustmentd his defensive goodness overcame his weak bat. he's our third-highest unranked met.

positional adjustment is quite key to gooden getting within sniffing distance of any top met hitters list. also, i made you all read gooden's name again. if anything, your collective subconscious mind should have been screaming out hte answer
so.. what... have i just drug this quiz out long enough? is nobody else playing? i'm telling you guys, the answer is right there. i don't know how many more times i need to tell you it. it's right there for the taking. i know. you're all pissed that you've failed this test. you probably want to suspend my membership on the board for a time. i get it. i understand. you're sick and tired of all this belly itching. you want it to be over. do you need a key? no, you don't need a key. you're better than that... blah blah blah... during his career, chris canizzaro wore one of the same uniform numbers as our mystery met also wore during his career. i've siad too much! pease peas pretty please give me the name i'm looking for so we can end this.

there's a lot here... drugs. pissing. failed test. suspension. we want a pitcher, not a belly itcher. key. as in kilo of cocaine. cannizzaro wore 16 with the pirates, who wear a big ol' P on their hat. P's P's pretty please.
is right answer dickey the answer to our quiz? he's wrong answer dickey. but your guesses are getting better and better!

because i'm looking for a pitcher, of course!
come on guys, don't tell me you're tired of striking out on this question! don't you all give up on me yet! i'm not making you look down the barell of a loaded gun here. i'm just asking you to name a met who did a pretty good job of hitting and (maybe) defense, when compared to the replacement level for his position, as measured on a per 600 plate appearance scale. he's not some noname. many of you may even have looked up to him, once upon a time. if you make me give away the answer, you'll all be really really upset. but fine, i'll give you two more hints. throughout his long career, he only played in one world series, and batted 0.500. and late in his career, he played for the team in the city he grew up in. you've gotta know the answer by now. you've just gotta.

and finally...
striking out. "how does it feel to be looking down the barrel of a loaded gun" said the doc gooden building sized billboard many of you have looked up to at some point. positional adjustment. gooden went 1 for 2 in the '86 world series, and spent a part of his final season in his hometown of tampa.
so... in retrospect, did i give you guys enough hints, or what?

metsmarathon
Dec 11 2013 02:37 PM
Re: going to WAR with your metly hitters (quiz)

1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA
2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA
3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA
4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA
5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA
6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA
7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA
8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA
9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA
10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA
11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA
12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA
13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA
14. dwight gooden 3.51 WAR/600 PA
15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA

not in the top 15

dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA
tommie agee #18 3.13 WAR/600 PA
kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA
mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA
howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA
gary carter #23 2.77 WAR/600 PA
wally backman #29 2.57 WAR/600 PA
jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA
wayne garret #31 2.48 WAR/600 PA
bobby bonilla #32 2.44 WAR/600 PA
cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA
ra dickey (unranked) 2.14 WAR/600 PA
gregg jeffries #41 1.95 WAR/600 PA
felix millan #45 1.60 WAR/600 PA
carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA
rusty staub #49 1.40 WAR/600 PA

juan lagares (unranked) 5.27 WAR/600 PA
marlon byrd (unranked) 5.17 WAR/600 PA
moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA
chris canizzaro (unranked) 3.19 WAR/600
mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA
kris benson (unranked) 1.60 WAR/600 PA
bobby klaus (unranked) 1.40 WAR/600 PA
eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA
ron darling (unranked) 1.10 WAR/600 PA
roger cedeno (unranked) 0.37 WAR/600 PA
rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

thank you all for playing. i shall expect none of you to ever participate in a quiz i innocently start up ever ever again.