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Catcher, 2014

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2013 03:55 PM

2013 Guys:
[list][*]John Buck[/*:m]
[*]Anthony Recker[/*:m]
[*]Travis d'Arnaud[/*:m]
[*]Juan Centeno[/*:m][/list:u]

2014 Leading Internal Candidates:
[list][*]Travis d'Arnaud[/*:m]
[*]Anthony Recker[/*:m]
[*]Juan Centeno[/*:m][/list:u]

2014 Fringey Internal Candidates:
[list][*]Landon Powell[/*:m]
[*]Kai Gronauer[/*:m]
[*]Xorge Carillo[/*:m][/list:u]

You Snooze, You Lose:
[list][*]Brian McCann (.256 / .336 / .461 // .796 in 356 PA - 115 OPS+), 30 years old
Signed by Yankees for 5 years, $85MM[/*:m]
[*]Brayan Pena (.297 / .315 / .397 // .713 in 243 PA - 91 OPS+), 32
Signed by Reds for 2 years, $2.275MM (11/8/13)[/*:m]
[*]Jose Molina (.233 / .290 / .304 // .594 in 313 PA - 68 OPS+), 39
Signed by Rays - 2 years, $4.5MM (11/24/13)[/*:m]
[*]Geovany Soto (.245 / .328 / .466 // .794 in 184 PA - 114 OPS+), 31
Signed by Rangers - 1 year, $3.05MM (11/5/13)[/*:m]
[*]Carlos "Chooch" Ruiz (.268 / .320 / .368 // .688 in 341 PA - 90 OPS+), 35
Signed by Phillies - 3 years, $26MM (11/18/13)[/*:m][/list:u]

Remaining Free Agents:
[list][*]Kurt Suzuki (.232 / .290 / .337 // .627 in 316 PA - 73 OPS+), 30 years old[/*:m]
[*]Jarrod Saltalamacchia (.278 / .338 / .466 // .804 in 470 PA - 118 OPS+), 29[/*:m]
[*]A.J. Pierzynski (.272 / .297 / .425 // .722 in 529 PA - 94 OPS+), 37[/*:m]
[*]Dioner Navarro (.300 / .365 / .492 // .856 in 266 PA - 132 OPS+), 30[/*:m]
[*]John Buck (.219 / .285 / .362 // .648 in 431 PA - 84 OPS+), 33[/*:m]
[*]Kelly Shoppach (.193 / .288 / .339 // .627 in 127 PA - 80 OPS+), 34[/*:m]
[*]Yorvit Torrealba (.240 / .295 / .285 // .580 in 196 PA - 52 OPS+), 35[/*:m]
[*]Will Nieves (.297 / .320 / .369 // .690 in 206 PA - 90 OPS+), 36[/*:m]
[*]Ramon Hernandez (.208 / .291 / .438 // .728 in 55 PA - 104 OPS+), 38[/*:m]
[*]Henry Blanco (.142 / .228 / .246 // .474 in 150 PA - 35 OPS+), 42[/*:m]
[*]Humberto Quintero (.237 / .275 / .366 // .642 in 140 PA - 79 OPS+), 34[/*:m]
[*]Miguel Olivo (.203 / .250 / .392 // .642 in 80 PA - 74 OPS+), 35[/*:m][/list:u].

Funny to see Hernandez and Torrealba both on the list. Didn't the Mets offer both of them contracts, like, eight years ago, before trading for Lo Duca? Saltalamacchia is one of those knows-how-to-win guys we're supposed to be going for. Isn't there something disgraceful and/or racist on that guy's ledger?

Anyhow, how do you see/want to see the 2014 catcher picture emerging?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 26 2013 04:05 PM
Re: Catcher 2014

I've seen reports suggesting the D'Arnaud could stand a veteran backup and a few that suggest the Mets would be happy to have Recker back.

I don't really want to go around again with John Buck, even if you're casting for the first category he's prolly your man. I'd have to look to see the actual differences between the Quinteros, Navarros and Olivos to choose between the others if that's how we go.

I kind of wish D'Arnaud hit enough and/or "catcherized" enough to lessen the temptation of a veteran but he didn't.

Maybe Recker is more veteran-y this year.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2013 04:46 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

I think he catcherized enough.

Hit enough? Uhn-uh.

G-Fafif
Nov 26 2013 05:44 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Landon Powell not so internal anymore.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2013 05:58 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Ugh. Thought he was just on leave of absence or something.

smg58
Nov 26 2013 06:37 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

d'Arnaud kind of had a lost year but I see no reason to sour on him. He'll figure things out at this level. Recker could use some competition, though. I wouldn't oppose bringing Buck back as a #2.

Edgy MD
Nov 26 2013 07:11 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Sour on him, no, but it's just good business having a seasoned backup who can lend him some experience, lessen his workload, and provide an alternative should d'Arnaud need a trip to the DL/more seasoning in Vegas/singing lessons.

Lefty Specialist
Nov 26 2013 07:18 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Face it kids, this is the Mets. D'arnaud starts, Recker backs him up, Centeno if anyone gets hurt. They're not paying anybody much to be the backup- that's money that can be underspent elsewhere.

Benjamin Grimm
Nov 26 2013 07:50 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Yeah, I think that's probably how it will play out. Unless there's some leftover inexpensive veteran still available (or newly available) in February or March.

Ceetar
Nov 26 2013 08:36 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

d'Arnaud all the way. Delve into some of those advanced catcher/framing stats and pick the backup that's good at that. (Trav is pretty good at that apparently, so might as well be consistent)

Ashie62
Nov 27 2013 07:14 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Ceetar wrote:
d'Arnaud all the way. Delve into some of those advanced catcher/framing stats and pick the backup that's good at that. (Trav is pretty good at that apparently, so might as well be consistent)


You might want a more than passable backup as Travis does spend abit of time on the DL..

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 01 2013 06:33 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Mike Puma of the Post is saying that the White Sox may non-tender a catcher named Tyler Flowers, and if so, the Mets might be interested in him as a backup to d'Arnaud.

One name Mets will keep an eye for non-tender is ChiSox Tyler Flowers. Team execs have liked him in the past. Potential d'Arnaud backup.


Tyler Flowers

He hit ten homers last year, but other than that, his numbers don't look so hot. He'll turn 28 next month.

metirish
Dec 01 2013 06:40 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Exciting times.

Edgy MD
Dec 01 2013 06:56 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Similar Batters through 27

[list=1][*]Hal King (953)[/*:m]
[*]A.J. Hinch (949)[/*:m]
[*]Javier Valentin (948)[/*:m]
[*]Rod Barajas (945)[/bigpurple][/*:m]
[*]Raul Casanova (942)[/*:m]
[*]Jason LaRue (942)[/*:m]
[*]Humberto Cota (940)[/*:m]
[*]Chris Widger (938)[/*:m]
[*]Scott Servais (938)[/*:m]
[*]Tom Egan (937)[/*:m][/list:o]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 01 2013 08:57 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Even with the pee-yew-trid bat, he's been a 0.5-to-0.7-WAR-ish guy-- as per both BBREF and Fangraphs-- on balance (in limited action, no less) over the last three seasons, thanks to a glove the defensive-metric-loving-ladies love.

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 02 2013 04:42 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

So maybe the Mets will replace the catcher with the pretty face with a catcher with a pretty name.

Frayed Knot
Dec 02 2013 06:16 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

I remember his name from a prospect lists as he was coming up through the Atlanta system (of course he was a Braves draft choice ... he's from Georgia). He was a Top-100 prospect a couple of times (although never Top-50) before being a piece in the deal to the ChiSox that sent Javy Vazquez to the Braves.

His hitting is more than a little bit K-tastic (94 in 256 ABs - Oh my!!!) ... BUT
- he walks a decent amount
- over 40% of his ML hits have gone for XBs
- he hits right-handed (when, you know, he hits) so the platoon aspect works there

But he's not creaky and old and I guess they like him defensively.


He makes me think of the character 'Nurse Flowers' that Rick Schroeder played for a short arc on 'Scrubs'

Edgy MD
Dec 02 2013 06:34 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Frayed Knot wrote:
His hitting is more than a little bit K-tastic (94 in 256 ABs - Oh my!!!) ... BUT
- he walks a decent amount
- over 40% of his ML hits have gone for XBs
- he hits right-handed (when, you know, he hits) so the platoon aspect works there

But he's not creaky and old and I guess they like him defensively.


No wonder Barajas makes his comp list.

The Mets could have a Flores and a Flowers in '14.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 02 2013 06:39 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

My knowledge of Tyler Flowers is informed entirely by Hamilton Bennett's cray-cray Twitter x-girlfriend, who hates him for replacing her fantasy boyfriend AL Pierzynski.

?@WhiteSoxDiaries 30 Jan
Top 10 Catchers Right Now-Friday on MLBN. Spoiler alert! Tyler Flowers~not only NOT on the list, he's not even allowed to WATCH the show
from Pekin, IL


?@WhiteSoxDiaries 4 Dec
Not even Tyler Flowers MOTHER is be happy with him as a back up if AJ leaves. Cut the crap, Hahn. NO ONE PREFERS THIS! #WhiteSox


?@WhiteSoxDiaries 22 Nov 12
I Do know one thing----- I'm thankful for #WhiteSox catching

Oh wait, that's Tyler flowers now. Scratch that.


?@WhiteSoxDiaries 25 Jul 12
I miss Aj pierzynski ( its just not the same with Tyler flowers always in the damn line up

Frayed Knot
Dec 02 2013 06:42 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Edgy MD wrote:
The Mets could have a Flores and a Flowers in '14.


Then all they need to do is sign Guy La Fleur and they're all set.
Or maybe Edwin Encarnacion is available ... or Pete Rose. Too bad Ted Lilly just announced his retirement.

Edgy MD
Dec 02 2013 07:59 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Here's their new first base coach posing at Shea.

Frayed Knot
Dec 02 2013 09:28 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Dioneer Navarro - two year deal with Toronto

Frayed Knot
Dec 03 2013 06:50 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

To make room for the Navarro signing the Jays cut loose former 1st round draft pick (22nd overall - 2007) JP Arencibia - yet another high-power/low-OBA/high-K/RH-hitting backstop to toss on the pile of possibilities.

JP was originally drafted when JP Riccardi was GM so maybe there's some connection there, although I'm not sure that his 148/18 K/BB ratio (over 474 ABs) this past season fits in very well with Sandy's line of thinking. Don't believe he's too highly regarded defensively either and hIs career .212/.258/.408 line suggests that things kind of went downhill for him following his 4-for-5, two-HR ML debut (but, really, where else did they have to go?).

Benjamin Grimm
Dec 03 2013 06:53 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Wasn't Arencibia one of the two catchers that were rumored as possibly coming to the Mets in an R.A. Dickey trade with the Blue Jays. Or am I thinking of someone else? I remember that d'Arnaud was considered the better of the two, but for a while it looked like the Mets might get the other guy.

HahnSolo
Dec 03 2013 07:17 AM
Re: Catcher, 2014

I will need to find a way to get an all caps "NO ONE PREFERS THIS" into my vernacular.

Frayed Knot
Dec 03 2013 08:11 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Pierzynski (the 2nd best Polish player ever out of Bridgehampton, LI) to the BoSox on a one-year deal.
Saltalamacchia to the Marlins for three

sharpie
Dec 04 2013 01:42 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Tyler Flowers re-ups with the White Sox. 1 year/900,000. We can now stop discussing Tyler Flowers.

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2013 02:22 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Melissa Dickson's head explodes.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Dec 04 2013 02:48 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

Edgy MD wrote:
Melissa Dickson's head explodes.


Well, not quite...

@WhiteSoxDiaries 2 Dec
I've said it before & I'll say it again~Fowers is fucking worthless. Thx for wasting the money on him, Hahn. Way to continue being a MORON

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2013 02:53 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

We've got to get those crazy kids together.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Dec 04 2013 04:25 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

NO ONE PROFFERS THIS!

HahnSolo
Dec 04 2013 08:25 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:

@WhiteSoxDiaries 2 Dec
I've said it before & I'll say it again~Fowers is fucking worthless. Thx for wasting the money on him, Hahn. Way to continue being a MORON


I've been called much worse than a money-wasting MORON, missy.

Edgy MD
Dec 04 2013 09:18 PM
Re: Catcher, 2014

lolololol.