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G-Fafif Dec 06 2013 09:44 AM

Granderson agrees to 4 years w/Mets, says Sherman.

G-Fafif Dec 06 2013 09:45 AM Re: Actually Curtis

4 for $60M, apparently.

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 09:48 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Works for me. Wheee, offense.

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 09:48 AM Re: Actually Curtis

What was the last _major_ player to go from Yankees to Mets or vice-versa? Do Ventura and Benitez count?

G-Fafif Dec 06 2013 09:57 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Ceetar wrote: What was the last _major_ player to go from Yankees to Mets or vice-versa? Do Ventura and Benitez count? Those were essentially salary dumps by Mets and theoretically useful pieces for MFYs. Granderson probably first (more or less) in his prime star to "defect" directly. Or since Tim McCarver changed booths.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 06 2013 09:58 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Um, yay.

seawolf17 Dec 06 2013 09:58 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Big fan of this move. Nicely done.

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 10:08 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Does Murphy give up 28? Granderson won't get 14 obviously. flipping that is 41, obviously no go. He wore #26 when he first got called up, but was 28 in the minors. 56? 82?

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2013 10:09 AM Re: Actually Curtis

I'm cool with it, so long as he leaves his Jason Bay Similarity Score in the Bronx.

dinosaur jesus Dec 06 2013 10:11 AM Re: Actually Curtis

I haven't been so excited since the Ellis Valentine trade.

G-Fafif Dec 06 2013 10:14 AM Re: Actually Curtis

dinosaur jesus wrote: I haven't been so excited since the Ellis Valentine trade. Brutally beautiful.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 06 2013 10:19 AM Re: Actually Curtis

It's nice to get another one of the good guys, anyway. And DINGERS! I hope I'm really, really wrong about how this will play out.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2013 10:23 AM Re: Actually Curtis

dinosaur jesus wrote: I haven't been so excited since the Ellis Valentine trade. Hah!!

Edgy MD Dec 06 2013 10:29 AM Re: Actually Curtis

This totally puts a wet blanket on the Nelson Cruz buzz, doesn't it? So our outfield, while stronger by bounds, remains as muddled as ever. [list]MLB 25-Man Roster: Brown, Duda, Granderson, Young, Young. Also on 40-Man Roster: den Dekker, Lagares, Niuewenhuis, Puello.[/list:u] So despite Lagares' performance, he suddenly finds himself on the outside until/unless they (a) make room for Duda at first, (b) make room for Young at second, (c) trade an outfielder, or (d) try to push Brown through waivers.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 06 2013 10:30 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Oaawh, Curtis! You're something sort of Grand!

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2013 10:35 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Oh, and one other thing ... 'The Grandy-Man Can' can't never be muttered by a Mets' announcer.

Edgy MD Dec 06 2013 10:38 AM Re: Actually Curtis

It will, though. Gary will say it with a twinge of irony, but he'll say it. And once he repeats it 37th time, the irony will be lost.

d'Kong76 Dec 06 2013 10:39 AM Re: Actually Curtis

I think I meant uttered, not muttered.

Mets Guy in Michigan Dec 06 2013 10:41 AM Re: Actually Curtis

This is a good move. We're going to like this guy!

RealityChuck Dec 06 2013 10:47 AM Re: Actually Curtis

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Oaawh, Curtis! You're something sort of Grand! He's even grander, son.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 06 2013 10:50 AM Re: Actually Curtis

I'm pleased. I hope that this doesn't mean that Eric Young displaces Murphy; I'd prefer Eric to be a fourth outfielder. Of course, my feelings on this particular issue may change if Murphy is part of a spectacular trade.

G-Fafif Dec 06 2013 10:58 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Edgy MD Dec 06 2013 11:01 AM Re: Actually Curtis

(I'm a little concerned about Humble Pie on the undercard.)

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2013 11:08 AM Re: Actually Curtis

MLB 25-Man Roster: Brown, Duda, Granderson, Young, Young. . The outfield is getting Grander and Younger by the minute!!

SteveJRogers Dec 06 2013 11:08 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Edgy MD wrote: It will, though. Gary will say it with a twinge of irony, but he'll say it. And once he repeats it 37th time, the irony will be lost. IN A ROW!? =;)

SteveJRogers Dec 06 2013 11:11 AM Re: Actually Curtis

RealityChuck wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Oaawh, Curtis! You're something sort of Grand! He's even grander, son. Its a damn good thing our announcers do NOT have a Berman/Sterling-esque habit of making nonsensical nicknames or calls based on puns!

SteveJRogers Dec 06 2013 11:13 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Ceetar wrote: Works for me. Wheee, offense. We shall see, if it turns out to be another Bay, or Beltran. In terms of both performance and potential way of leaving the roster if the direction of the franchise hasn't improved by about 20 wins by year 4. =;)

bmfc1 Dec 06 2013 11:16 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Great move. They needed power and a lefty bat and they have both in Granderson. Well done.

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 11:21 AM Re: Actually Curtis

SteveJRogers wrote: Ceetar wrote: Works for me. Wheee, offense. We shall see, if it turns out to be another Bay, or Beltran. In terms of both performance and potential way of leaving the roster if the direction of the franchise hasn't improved by about 20 wins by year 4. =;) I suspect it'll be somewhere in the middle of both players,but that's not really saying much.

seawolf17 Dec 06 2013 11:48 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Edgy MD wrote: It will, though. Gary will say it with a twinge of irony, but he'll say it. And once he repeats it 37th time, the irony will be lost. Hey, if Gary makes 37 Granderson home run calls next season, he can say whatever the hell he wants.

metsmarathon Dec 06 2013 11:48 AM Re: Actually Curtis

i like this a lot. i like granderson at 4/60 a lot better than i would have liked ellsbury at 7/150, or cano at 10/240. also, i really hope not to see eric young take a meaningful, everyday role on this team. he's a useful spare part, but should not be an everyday player. if he's in our outfield and lagares is not, i'll be quite unhappy. moreso if he's at second and murphy is not, (unless there's a massive return).

metsmarathon Dec 06 2013 12:04 PM Re: Actually Curtis

regarding granderson's power, if you look to hittrackeronline, you can take a loot at grandy's home runs, normalized for atmospheric conditions, and compare them against ballpark dimensions. last year, each of grandy's homers easily clears our right field fence. in 2012, all but 9 of hte 43 homers he hit clear our fences. last i checked, 34 homers wouldn't be so bad. and a lot of them are gappers that could turn into extra bases and not just long fly outs. with his speed, maybe there's some extra triples in there. who knows. in 2011, there's 4-6 of his 41 homers that might not make it out. dude's got power. he's no cheap yankee stadium sham-homerun illusion.

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 12:08 PM Re: Actually Curtis

metsmarathon wrote: dude's got power. he's no cheap yankee stadium sham-homerun illusion. wind conditions, pitchers, etc. but yeah. My only real concern there is that it seems like he may have altered his approach in 2012 in a homer happy way that led to a not very good season despite hitting a bunch. That approach has all the makings of trouble. but I have faith that wouldn't be the case.

Zvon Dec 06 2013 12:10 PM Re: Actually Curtis

yawoot! This is a well done good deal. This is a nice splash! Bravo Sandyman!

dgwphotography Dec 06 2013 12:25 PM Re: Actually Curtis

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's nice to get another one of the good guys, anyway. And DINGERS! I hope I'm really, really wrong about how this will play out. I hope I'm wrong about this, too.

Ashie62 Dec 06 2013 12:50 PM Re: Actually Curtis

I like it....alot Danny Murphy may not..

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 01:02 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Why does ESPN's ticker report all deals as "According to ESPN and 'media sources'" Does that mean "yeah, other people said this and we're going to tell you about it like we're intimately involved, after we talk about Tim Tebow and tell you meaningless things about football."

86-Dreamer Dec 06 2013 01:08 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Assuming he gets $15 million in 2014, the payroll projects now to approx. $78.8 million: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams ... ries.shtml Last year's payroll was $89 million. Hopefully they will go to at least $95 which would leave Sandy $16m to get a starting pitcher and at least one more credible major league bat. I think Arroyo is the logical next move in the $10-11 million range and then will take some skilled trading to squeeze a bat into the budget. I think they will regret tendering Ike.

Frayed Knot Dec 06 2013 01:18 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Ceetar wrote: Why does ESPN's ticker report all deals as "According to ESPN and 'media sources'" It's their way of saying that they were beaten to the story (or, at best, that they reported it no earlier than 956 other sources) but still get to credit themselves with being among the ones cited as the source of this material.

Ceetar Dec 06 2013 01:27 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: Why does ESPN's ticker report all deals as "According to ESPN and 'media sources'" It's their way of saying that they were beaten to the story (or, at best, that they reported it no earlier than 956 other sources) but still get to credit themselves with being among the ones cited as the source of this material. Yeah, we were flipping to it at lunch during Millionaire commercials and it seemed like they waited until they had someone ESPN affiliated to talk about that they put it in the "Breaking News" section.

SteveJRogers Dec 06 2013 03:40 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: Why does ESPN's ticker report all deals as "According to ESPN and 'media sources'" It's their way of saying that they were beaten to the story (or, at best, that they reported it no earlier than 956 other sources) but still get to credit themselves with being among the ones cited as the source of this material. Yeah, we were flipping to it at lunch during Millionaire commercials and it seemed like they waited until they had someone ESPN affiliated to talk about that they put it in the "Breaking News" section. Yeah, that's been ESPN's MO for decades now. "Don't credit anyone but ourselves."

MFS62 Dec 06 2013 08:44 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Good hitter, good defender, class act, Fills a need. Not a terrible contract. What's not to like? Later

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2013 08:59 AM Re: Actually Curtis

Today's Daily News has a photoshopped picture of Curtis in his Mets uniform, wearing number 14. Looked very strange to see that. Obviously, that's not gonna happen.

Edgy MD Dec 07 2013 01:00 PM Re: Actually Curtis

They have no clue the of their faux pas, do they?

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2013 03:24 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Looks like someone clued them in. They've repaired the online version, (the 14 was in the print edition) and removed the 4.

SteveJRogers Dec 07 2013 05:09 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Today's Daily News has a photoshopped picture of Curtis in his Mets uniform, wearing number 14. Looked very strange to see that. Obviously, that's not gonna happen. SMH also at the 50th Anniversary patch, dead giveaway for a Photoshop job!

Zvon Dec 07 2013 06:41 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Looks like someone clued them in. They've repaired the online version, (the 14 was in the print edition) and removed the 4. So if he comes in and hits like 75 kabooms or we win the division 3 times in a row the newspaper could become a collectors item? Right? Lemme know before recycling on Monday.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2013 08:38 PM Re: Actually Curtis

MFS62 wrote: Good hitter, good defender, class act, Fills a need. Not a terrible contract. What's not to like? Declining hitter (over the last three years, steadily), declining defender (also over the last three years, if less steadily), moving to a position where his bat becomes less valuable, costs a high 2nd-round draft pick, may tie up more payroll than a similar/better asset in trade (Aoki, e.g.) would have. On the plus side, he'll still have some power, and he's fast, and maybe the glove plays better in right (like, at least a scratch-defender level). Also, he knows Beyonce!

Edgy MD Dec 07 2013 08:48 PM Re: Actually Curtis

Yeah? Well Tommy Hanson knows Hanson.