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Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I love it!

5 votes

I like it!

17 votes

I neutral it!

8 votes

I dislike it!

0 votes

I hate it!

0 votes

Edgy MD Dec 07 2013 01:03 PM

The Yankee joins the Mets for four years and $60 million.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 07 2013 02:31 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I nuetrally like it. Obviously Grandy Man is better than no Grandy Man, and is much prefereable to some other considerations but he could easily be a bomb.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 07 2013 02:49 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I nuetrally like it. Obviously Grandy Man is better than no Grandy Man, and is much prefereable to some other considerations but he could easily be a bomb. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times....

smg58 Dec 07 2013 02:51 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I wouldn't have budged on three years while other options were out there, but he's a good guy and will upgrade the offense. Neutral.

d'Kong76 Dec 07 2013 02:55 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Took like, but not overly optimistic it will be solid and loving four years. It's the Mets.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2013 03:18 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I also voted LIKE but with a tint of pessimism. If things go well (I mean, really well) between Young and Granderson the Mets may have added 70 homers or more to their team.

Frayed Knot Dec 07 2013 04:24 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I'm in the 'Like' column. He certainly fills a need and, while there's always the chance of this cratering, I think the odds are better than even that we get a couple of good years out of him. Also think this was a better idea than Beltran for 75% of the length and the same price, or Choo for a longer/higher cost despite much less of a track record.

Zvon Dec 07 2013 06:23 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I picked love it. Whether it works out for better or worse, the Mets did something dramatic and positive. If Grandy goes baywise I will not hold it against Sandy and the team. I can't fault them for taking their chances on this one. Esp with the way the player market has been. This was a good deal.

Edgy MD Dec 07 2013 07:01 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Remember when used to have two or three of these polls every offseason? Been awhile.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2013 07:19 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

We neglected to do one for Chris Young, huh? He really didn't make much of a splash at all, did he?

metirish Dec 07 2013 07:20 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I voted like. Its a good pick up, hopefully it all works out. yes, it has been a long while.

Fman99 Dec 07 2013 07:21 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I like it. He'll help. Lefty power bat.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2013 07:31 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

My mild dislike of the actual terms is more or less balanced by the fact that I've always liked the player. I'm trying to be optimistic here, it being the holiday season and all.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2013 07:39 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Not official yet, but what the heck...

dinosaur jesus Dec 07 2013 08:07 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Neutral. I want to say dislike, to counter some of the overhyping that's going on. But on merit, it's not that bad a deal.

Edgy MD Dec 07 2013 08:17 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Sheesh. Who's overhyping? Most Met fans I'm meeting online are still infuriated.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2013 08:19 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Infuriated? Rilly? I mean, rilly rilly?

Edgy MD Dec 07 2013 08:23 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Have you met Louis Poggi?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2013 08:28 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

That's not anger over Granderson, though. Like I sez, I'm, like, mildly upset (especially given the draft-pick cost). But not enough to register as, y'know, "dislike." You know what I don't get, though? I don't get the "there's nothing to dislike" camp; to me, it seems like they're either not seeing what's there (a depreciating asset with both glove and bat, who's moving to a park that'll be less kind to his sort of hitter) or just applauding expenditure and "going for it, finally."

batmagadanleadoff Dec 07 2013 08:33 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

He's kinda useless against lefties. Not as bad as Francouer against righties, but pretty bad, with an atrocious batting eye for the strike zone against southpaws. But not a bad 2012, split-wise. I hope Collins moves him down in the lineup a few slots against LHP's: Grandy's numbers justify that treatment. I disagree with a lot of the comments made in the various Grandy threads about how Citi Field is gonna knock down his HR output, and thus, by implication, his effectiveness. CF may indeed reduce his home HR output ... but so what? That's only half of the analysis. If CF reduces Grandy's home HR's by more or less the same rate CF reduces everyone else's rates, than Grandy is no less effective a home HR hitter than he was pre-CF. His reduced output would be countered by the fact that his HR's would have more value in, presumably, a scarcer run environment. If Grandy's home HR's are reduced by a significantly greater rate than is to be expected because of CF's dimensions, then that would be a problem. I don't know the future. I don't know when Grandy begins to decline, or how rapid that decline would be once it begins, if it hasn't already begun. I understand the risks involved in acquiring a 33 year old. So does everyone else here. I don't expect Granderson, by himself, to make the Mets a contender. But I'm glad the Mets made this deal happen.

Ashie62 Dec 07 2013 08:43 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Love it!!!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2013 08:52 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

He's kinda useless against lefties. Not as bad as Francouer against righties, but pretty bad, with an atrocious batting eye for the strike zone against southpaws. But not a bad 2012, split-wise. I hope Collins moves him down in the lineup a few slots against LHP's: Grandy's numbers justify that treatment. They actually really don't. He hasn't had a platoon issue since 2010. He hit lefties better in 2011, and hasn't shown a significant difference, overall-performance-wise, over the last two years. I disagree with a lot of the comments made in the various Grandy threads about how Citi Field is gonna knock down his HR output, and thus, by implication, his effectiveness. CF may indeed reduce his home HR output ... but so what? That's only half of the analysis. If CF reduces Grandy's home HR's by more or less the same rate CF reduces everyone else's rates, than Grandy is no less effective a home HR hitter than he was pre-CF. His reduced output would be countered by the fact that his HR's would have more value in, presumably, a scarcer run environment. If Grandy's home HR's are reduced by a significantly greater rate than is to be expected because of CF's dimensions, then that would be a problem. You may be right. Some posit that his changes in approach since joining the MFYs (see: platoon improvements) included more uppercuts/flyballs. The Fangraphs numbers seem to put the lie to this, but they also show a guy who's striking out at an increasingly-alarming rate, and popping up a little more. I don't know the future. I don't know when Grandy begins to decline, or how rapid that decline would be once it begins, if it hasn't already begun. Oh, it has.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 07 2013 09:26 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

He's kinda useless against lefties. Not as bad as Francouer against righties, but pretty bad, with an atrocious batting eye for the strike zone against southpaws. But not a bad 2012, split-wise. I hope Collins moves him down in the lineup a few slots against LHP's: Grandy's numbers justify that treatment. They actually really don't. He hasn't had a platoon issue since 2010. He hit lefties better in 2011, and hasn't shown a significant difference, overall-performance-wise, over the last two years. That was a typo. I meant to write "not a bad 2011, split-wise", instead of 2012. Not only was Grandy uncharacteristically good agsainst lefties in 2011, but by many measures, even better against lefites than righties. Still, there's not much overall success against lefties, although almost all of it is most recent. A new trend? A fluke season+? TBD I disagree with a lot of the comments made in the various Grandy threads about how Citi Field is gonna knock down his HR output, and thus, by implication, his effectiveness. CF may indeed reduce his home HR output ... but so what? That's only half of the analysis. If CF reduces Grandy's home HR's by more or less the same rate CF reduces everyone else's rates, than Grandy is no less effective a home HR hitter than he was pre-CF. His reduced output would be countered by the fact that his HR's would have more value in, presumably, a scarcer run environment. If Grandy's home HR's are reduced by a significantly greater rate than is to be expected because of CF's dimensions, then that would be a problem. You may be right. Some posit that his changes in approach since joining the MFYs (see: platoon improvements) included more uppercuts/flyballs. The Fangraphs numbers seem to put the lie to this, but they also show a guy who's striking out at an increasingly-alarming rate, and popping up a little more. I don't know the future. I don't know when Grandy begins to decline, or how rapid that decline would be once it begins, if it hasn't already begun. Oh, it has. You're probably right on this one. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt of last season's injuries. But I can't hide his diminishing speed and quickness, nor can I lay that on a coupla fluky HBP's.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2013 10:38 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

He's kinda useless against lefties. Not as bad as Francouer against righties, but pretty bad, with an atrocious batting eye for the strike zone against southpaws. But not a bad 2012, split-wise. I hope Collins moves him down in the lineup a few slots against LHP's: Grandy's numbers justify that treatment. They actually really don't. He hasn't had a platoon issue since 2010. He hit lefties better in 2011, and hasn't shown a significant difference, overall-performance-wise, over the last two years. That was a typo. I meant to write "not a bad 2011, split-wise", instead of 2012. Not only was Grandy uncharacteristically good agsainst lefties in 2011, but by many measures, even better against lefites than righties. Still, there's not much overall success against lefties, although almost all of it is most recent. A new trend? A fluke season+? TBD To hear him and anyone associated with the MFYs tell it, the product of actual adjustments.

Zvon Dec 08 2013 12:31 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Not official yet, but what the heck... A "signed" card! Most awesome :)

batmagadanleadoff Dec 09 2013 04:01 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

He's kinda useless against lefties. Not as bad as Francouer against righties, but pretty bad, with an atrocious batting eye for the strike zone against southpaws. But not a bad 2012, split-wise. I hope Collins moves him down in the lineup a few slots against LHP's: Grandy's numbers justify that treatment. They actually really don't. He hasn't had a platoon issue since 2010. He hit lefties better in 2011, and hasn't shown a significant difference, overall-performance-wise, over the last two years. That was a typo. I meant to write "not a bad 2011, split-wise", instead of 2012. Not only was Grandy uncharacteristically good agsainst lefties in 2011, but by many measures, even better against lefites than righties. Still, there's not much overall success against lefties, although almost all of it is most recent. A new trend? A fluke season+? TBD I disagree with a lot of the comments made in the various Grandy threads about how Citi Field is gonna knock down his HR output, and thus, by implication, his effectiveness. CF may indeed reduce his home HR output ... but so what? That's only half of the analysis. If CF reduces Grandy's home HR's by more or less the same rate CF reduces everyone else's rates, than Grandy is no less effective a home HR hitter than he was pre-CF. His reduced output would be countered by the fact that his HR's would have more value in, presumably, a scarcer run environment. If Grandy's home HR's are reduced by a significantly greater rate than is to be expected because of CF's dimensions, then that would be a problem. You may be right. Some posit that his changes in approach since joining the MFYs (see: platoon improvements) included more uppercuts/flyballs. The Fangraphs numbers seem to put the lie to this, but they also show a guy who's striking out at an increasingly-alarming rate, and popping up a little more. I don't know the future. I don't know when Grandy begins to decline, or how rapid that decline would be once it begins, if it hasn't already begun. Oh, it has. You're probably right on this one. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt of last season's injuries. But I can't hide his diminishing speed and quickness, nor can I lay that on a coupla fluky HBP's. This thread (and the Young thread, and all other who should the Mets get threads) is like a Rorschach. The more I think about it, the more irreconcilable opinions I can come up with. And ultimately, those opinions probably tell me more about myself than about Granderson. So after all of the financial wrist wrangling and Madoff imposed austerity, and after all of the waiting for the Bay and Santana and Castillo contracts to come off the books, what do the Mets finally do? They give out $16M a year to a player that'll be 33 years old before next season even starts.

Edgy MD Dec 09 2013 04:10 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Well, they're not giving it to him. A lot of great things have been done by 33-year-olds.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 09 2013 04:21 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Edgy MD wrote: A lot of great things have been done by 33-year-olds. This is true. At 33, Amelia Earhart became the first woman to fly across the Atlantic Ocean. Jesus of Nazareth became the greatest religious figure ever when, at 33, he was crucified. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence at 33.

Edgy MD Dec 09 2013 04:45 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

There you go. I ran the comps on Jefferson at age 33. [list]1. Jean-Jacques Rousseau 2. John Locke 3. Edmund Burke 4. Curtis Granderson 5. JFK 6. Immanuel Kant 7. James Monroe 8. Lord Coke 9. John Adams 10. Thomas Hobbes[/list:u] I'm stoked!

Ashie62 Dec 09 2013 05:21 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Granderson may very well be productive at 37, people do live to be that old...

Zvon Dec 10 2013 09:31 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Reports say he will wear number 3. Thatll take some getting used to. K, Im used to it :)

metirish Dec 10 2013 09:34 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Last outfielder since Easley to sport # 3, and he was a utility guy....Everett the last real outfielder to wear it? http://mbtn.net/number/3

Ceetar Dec 10 2013 09:42 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I wrote an entire post on this and didn't even consider 3.

G-Fafif Dec 10 2013 09:51 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Now that an actual photograph of an actual jersey with an actual number has been circulated, I've escalated my excitement over this signing.

Edgy MD Dec 10 2013 09:58 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Well, then, here's something to fuel your palpitations.

G-Fafif Dec 10 2013 10:00 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Edgy MD wrote: Well, then, here's something to fuel your palpitations. Somehow looks photoshopped.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2013 10:01 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

His face is superfriendly, but weirdly craggy and lined. Like a hyperathletic version of the plastic trees in an old McDonald's playground.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2013 10:45 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Oh, that's getting off on the right foot. A guy writing down what Curtis Granderson said wrote: "There are 30 ballparks and pros and cons with each one. A lot of people have told me true New Yorkers are Mets fans." Also, he digs the salmon. I think I'm all in, emotionally. He's on SNY now, live with Guys! from Orlando.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2013 10:57 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

That quote is WAY more swoony than Anthony Recker's face.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2013 11:13 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

The Twitter reaction from New Yorkers of all stripes is hilarious.

G-Fafif Dec 10 2013 11:13 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

The "a lot of people have told me" part immediately snapped off as "True New Yorkers are Mets fans" has gone vibrantly viral. Beats "pay me enough and I'll tell you you're beautiful."

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 10 2013 11:17 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Granderson's a smart guy. The great part about that is, "Some people" gives him cover. Endears himself to the fanbase, BUT he can walk away from/shrug at the comments at will.

HahnSolo Dec 10 2013 11:19 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Edgy MD wrote: Well, then, here's something to fuel your palpitations. Looks like an old cartoon villain. "Shaggy, you and Scoob go check out Old Man Granderson's place while Daphne, Velma and I kick it up by the fire with some cognac."

themetfairy Dec 10 2013 11:25 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I'm suddenly much happier about this signing

Zvon Dec 10 2013 11:50 AM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Well, then, here's something to fuel your palpitations. Somehow looks photoshopped. ha. It does. Or thats a felt hat or something. I wasn't sure if felt was the right word. I had never spelt felt in terms of this meaning before. Looked it up: 1.a nonwoven fabric of wool, fur, or hair, matted together by heat, moisture, and great pressure. 2.any article made of this material, as a hat.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 10 2013 12:00 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Well, then, here's something to fuel your palpitations. Somehow looks photoshopped. ha. It does. Or thats a felt hat or something. I wasn't sure if felt was the right word. I had never spelt felt in terms of this meaning before. Looked it up: 1.a nonwoven fabric of wool, fur, or hair, matted together by heat, moisture, and great pressure. 2.any article made of this material, as a hat. If that's Curtis, he needs to dump his tailor.

dgwphotography Dec 10 2013 12:05 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I nuetrally like it. Obviously Grandy Man is better than no Grandy Man, and is much prefereable to some other considerations but he could easily be a bomb. This. I fear the second coming of Jason Bay...

Edgy MD Dec 10 2013 01:25 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Well, yeah, and Vic Black can turn out to be Vic Darensbourg. But we've got to go forward. Date new boys. A Yankee signs a LTBB contract with the Mets. The presidents of the US and Cuba shake hands. It's a good day for rapprochement, even a rapprochement with our own history.

G-Fafif Dec 10 2013 03:09 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

"A lot of the people I've met in New York have always said that, 'True New Yorkers are Mets fans,'" Granderson said after donning his No. 3 Mets jersey for the first time. "So I'm excited to get a chance to see them all out there." Just to parse this a step further, I like that Curtis claims it's something he's "always" had said to him. I wonder what his interactions with the people he's met in New York have gone like exactly since he first played as an MFY. "Hi, meet my friend Curtis Granderson." "Good to meet you, Curtis." "Curtis here is with a local baseball team." "Oh Curtis, I do hope you're attached to the Mets, lest the front-runners and tourists get on your nerves." "Ah yes, Curtis, I should've warned you about true New Yorkers. They won't be impressed with your affiliation until it meshes with theirs."

Edgy MD Dec 10 2013 05:04 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

Edgy MD wrote: A Yankee signs a LTBB contract with the Mets. The presidents of the US and Cuba shake hands. It's a good day for rapprochement, even a rapprochement with our own history. Congress reaches a bipartisan budget deal. Hallelujah.

metirish Dec 10 2013 05:18 PM Re: Curtis Granderson Is a Met

I know it's just a guy talking but Granderson is on the Hot Stove talking to Burkhardt and I am loving it.....he is going to be fun to listen throughout the season.....hopefully a winning season.