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Kemp or Ethier

Matt?

11 votes

Andre?

2 votes

Edgy MD Dec 09 2013 03:11 PM

You've got Ned Colletti on the phone and he's offered you Kemp or Ethier. You hammer out a package... say, den Dekker, Murphy, and Montero. That sounds doable from your end, but which of these guys do you want? Kemp Kwalities: [list][*]better (when at the top of their respective games)[/*:m] [*]younger (by two and a half years)[/*:m] [*]more athletic[/*:m] [*]righthanded[/*:m] [*]nicknamed "The Bison"[/*:m] [*]signed through 2019 2014: $21,000,000 2015: $21,000,000 2016: $21,500,000 2017: $21,500,000 2018: $21,500,000 2019: $21,500,000[/*:m][/list:u] Ethier Extras [list][*]healthier[/*:m] [*]less expensive[/*:m] [*]available buyout on the butt end of the contract[/*:m] [*]lefthanded[/*:m] [*]nicknamed "Captain Clutch" (ugh)[/*:m] [*]signed through 2018 2014 : $15,500,000 2015: $18,000,000 2016 : $18,000,000 2017: $17,500,000 2018: $17,500,000, with a $2.5 million buyout.[/*:m][/list:u]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2013 03:19 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

"Hey, if I could offer you a million dollars, or a thousand dollars, which one would you rather have? Keep in mind... you have to pay the taxes on either."

Vic Sage Dec 09 2013 03:30 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Also, Kemp is more erratic; he can be great or awful (with annual WARs going from -1 to over 8). Ethier is more consistent (WARs in the 2-3 range, peaking at 3.8). But Ethier has a high platoon differential, so he is neutralized by lefties. i say go for the gusto. no pain, no gain. give me a shot at an MVP candidate.

Edgy MD Dec 09 2013 03:34 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

I went for Kemp, but I switched to Ethier. All that munny on the table, I had to think conservatively, and so went with health/buyout/shorter contract/lower salary.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2013 03:50 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

I guess. I go the other way if I'm shelling out THAT much money, though-- give me a shot at great (and great without platoon splits). I mean, it's not like Ethier's on a cheap 2-year deal, y'know?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 09 2013 04:36 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

I think if we were gonna go get Ethier the time to do so was before we went and signed Grandyman to a similar contract to serve a similar role. They are more comparable to one another than Kemp is to Ethier. We could always make room for Kemp but thinking now his price would be higher in terms of what we'd have to give up, so I'd need to think about it.

Frayed Knot Dec 09 2013 04:38 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

And Kemp's tattoo is a big downside to be considered.

TransMonk Dec 09 2013 05:05 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Kemp. Have you ever looked into his eyes? It was like the first time I heard the Beatles.

smg58 Dec 09 2013 09:11 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Haven't decided. Either is a much safer bet, but a healthy Kemp makes us contenders.

MFS62 Dec 09 2013 09:26 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

smg58 wrote: Haven't decided. Either is a much safer bet, but a healthy Kemp makes us contenders. This, especially the "haven't decided" part. I think either of them are expensive redundancies. There are other holes to fill. Gun to head, I'd go for Kemp. But since that gun isn't pointed at me now, I'll wait to see Sandy's other moves, then see which of them compliments that team better. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 09 2013 09:32 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Y'know, now that I think about it, I don't know why we traded for Piazza, when we had a perfectly good catcher already. You can get a guy like Kemp at a discount, you get a guy like Kemp.

Edgy MD Dec 09 2013 09:34 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

But since that gun isn't pointed at me now... Actually, no. Turn around slowly. Even more slowly than that. This gun is, in fact pointed at your head. You must answer now and live.

MFS62 Dec 09 2013 09:40 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Edgy MD wrote: But since that gun isn't pointed at me now... Actually, no. Turn around slowly. Even more slowly than that. This gun is, in fact pointed at your head. You must answer now and live. OK, Kemp. Later

batmagadanleadoff Dec 09 2013 09:42 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

I'd ask ol' Ned about the 25 year old that's poised to be next year's biggest free agent if he doesn't re-up with the Dodgers. Cause it don't hurt to ask.

Fman99 Dec 10 2013 04:24 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Kemp. All that money getting shelled out, you might as well at least hope for greatness instead of goodness.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 10 2013 05:30 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Whoever is doing these needs to know that you don't put action shots on a 1972 card! (Unless it's a red IN ACTION card.)

Gwreck Dec 10 2013 07:04 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'd ask ol' Ned about the 25 year old that's poised to be next year's biggest free agent if he doesn't re-up with the Dodgers. Cause it don't hurt to ask. No, it doesn't hurt to ask. Of course we all know what the answer would be. If for some reason the Dodgers don't sign him to an extension (which they will) it would be incredible to see the market for him.

Gwreck Dec 10 2013 07:08 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

But to bring this back on topic: LWFS has the right idea. Viable MVP candidates aren't available at a discount very often. You take Kemp.

metsmarathon Dec 10 2013 07:22 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

definitely kemp. the back end of the contract is onerous, but i think he's a better shot at making up for it. especially if he's moved from center field to right. his range in center isn't great, and between lagares and young, we've got good defense in center already on the roster. so you could look to get a boost to his existing numbers from that switch alone. maybe you recover as much as a win each season...? ethier isn't a great defender either. and while he's more consistent, he'll consistently give you 2-3 wins. whereas kemp will give you anywhere from 1-8 wins, and should be on the high side of that when he's ever healthy. for hte record, per fangraphs numbers, ethier has never had a season where the value of his production exceeded $15M, whereas kemp has had two such seasons. kemp has, granted, a much better chance of turning into a massive bust, due to the injury factor. so i might look to getting some cash money thrown at the deal, preferably towards hte end of the contract if the dodgers would be amenable to such a thing. also consider, ethier's contract equals/exceeds that of granderson's, and granderson is the better player.

Edgy MD Dec 10 2013 07:24 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

I don't know. I guess I'm alone on this, but yeah, while Kemp had one MVP quality season in 2011, Matt Kemp on the DL is worth no more or less than... Omar Quintanilla on the DL --- absolute bupkis. And a physically compromised star is no fun either. Health counts! WAR the last four years: Kemp -1.1 8.1 2.4 0.5 --- 9.9 Ethier 1.9 2.4 3.8 2.7 --- 10.8

seawolf17 Dec 10 2013 07:45 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Kemp.

Vic Sage Dec 10 2013 11:14 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

WAR the last SIX years: Kemp 3.9 4.8 -1.1 8.1 2.4 0.5 --- 17.6 Ethier 2.2 2.9 1.9 2.4 3.8 2.7 --- 15.9 WAR the last FIVE years: Kemp 4.8 -1.1 8.1 2.4 0.5 --- 13.7 Ethier 2.9 1.9 2.4 3.8 2.7 --- 13.7 WAR the last THREE years: Kemp 8.1 2.4 0.5 --- 11.0 Ethier 2.4 3.8 2.7 --- 8.9

Edgy MD Dec 12 2013 09:34 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

So, everybody but me wants Kemp. I made up a BS package of den Dekker, Murphy, and Montero. But what actual package would you give up for him? Would you demand some money back as well?

Nymr83 Dec 13 2013 09:11 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Edgy MD wrote: So, everybody but me wants Kemp. I made up a BS package of den Dekker, Murphy, and Montero. But what actual package would you give up for him? Would you demand some money back as well? If we're paying that contract, they aren't getting Montero. We'll send them Kirk Niewenhuis and a bag of balls (used, dirty ones) and they can thank us for taking that thing off their hands. On the other hand, if they wanted to pay half his salary... Murphy, Montero, and Nimmo?

Edgy MD Dec 13 2013 09:23 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Gosh, that's a tough bullet to bite. Half salary even.`

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2013 09:38 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

Leave aside your affinity for faces to which you've gotten accustomed... that's an ex-MVP for the price of Murphy and two somewhat-highly-prized-but-not-can't-miss minor leaguers. An ex-MVP for the yearly salary of aged Bartolo Colon.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2013 09:48 PM Re: Kemp or Ethier

I'm just not so sure that Kemp is so can't-missy. But as philosophically trade-averse as I am, I guess I shouldn't cling to Montie as tightly as Syndie. Oh, Montie!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2013 07:10 AM Re: Kemp or Ethier

He's pretty Raffishly appealing, I know.