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What about Jesus Montero?

Ashie62 Dec 12 2013 01:05 PM

Yes he has been as lousy and was considered a cant miss just 2 years ago. He is 24 with one PED conviction. He is available by trade only not free agent money. I would be more comfortable with this guy to fill in for Travis on DL trips than Recker or some of the $400,000 guys... [url]http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4663/jesus-montero

Frayed Knot Dec 12 2013 01:33 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

[from that link] According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today, the Mariners are letting teams know that Jesus Montero and Justin Smoak are available in trades. I'd rather have Smoak - even though neither has lived up to predicted levels thus far. Montero is younger but has almost zero athleticism to add anything beyond his hitting. On the other hand, we're trying to reduce 1st basemen at this point, not add to them. In any case I'm not sure what we'd have to trade to get either of them; young pitching most likely and is that really what we want to spend in order to replace our current 1B question marks with different 1B question marks?

sharpie Dec 12 2013 01:39 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

If we're trading with the Mariners I would want Nick Franklin or Brad Miller, both shortstops. Franklin was moved to second base last year but could be moved back although he's a touted first rounder and is unlikely to be moved. In any event, I don't think we have anything that the Mariners want. They just acquired two first basemen and Robinson Cano.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 12 2013 07:18 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

Well, anything that we would give up easily, anyway. I think if we're shopping in the Miller/Franklin aisle-- young twentysomething MIs with a LOT of promise-- the price would have to be something Thor-ish, right?

smg58 Dec 12 2013 09:40 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

Franklin is a very good bet to be moved -- the Mariners don't see him as a shortstop and they just got Robinson Cano. The first question is whether the Mariners were right in not seeing him as a shortstop.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 12 2013 10:07 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

Assuming they don't get bowled over there, I'd think they might jettison Dustin Ackley-- older and even more redundant, I'd imagine-- first. He hit pretty decently after his weird midseason demotion (.285/.384/.404, with 10+% BB rate and ~16% K rate), and the glove's nice (when it's at second, and not CF, where they stuck him by the end of last season), and he would slot in nicely once we're compiling Memories of Murph. We've apparently kicked the tires there. Dangle Den Dekker?

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2013 06:27 AM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

Various questions/observations: 1) Who's 'Thor'? Nieuwenhuis? Problem is I don't think he's got much trade value. Most of the guys we're talking about here are younger than him (or den Dekker) and have a better pedigree. 2) Nick Franklin - former 1st round draft pick (and one-time star for the Clinton LumberKings) Generally when guys get moved off of SS, particularly as young as age 22, it's for a good reason. Like we were saying in the Eric Young thread: If you [u:v2kd1xjt]can[/u:v2kd1xjt] play SS they'd be playing you at SS. Franklin, unlike Young, at least has so he might be usable there, although maybe not as a full-timer going forward. 3) Dustin Ackley -- former [u:v2kd1xjt]#2 overall[/u:v2kd1xjt] draft pick out of UNC (where he would have crossed paths with Harvey) Has fallen short of expectations since that high draft spot. Always seemed like a bit of a 'tweener' to me, someone the Ms weren't sure was an IF or an OF and, stuck between being a average guy and a power guy, has become not much of either.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2013 06:40 AM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

Various questions/observations: 1) Who's 'Thor'? Nieuwenhuis? Problem is I don't think he's got much trade value. Most of the guys we're talking about here are younger than him (or den Dekker) and have a better pedigree. Thor. 2) Nick Franklin - former 1st round draft pick (and one-time star for the Clinton LumberKings) Generally when guys get moved off of SS, particularly as young as age 22, it's for a good reason. Like we were saying in the Eric Young thread: If you can play SS they'd be playing you at SS. Franklin, unlike Young, at least has so he might be usable there, although maybe not as a full-timer going forward. Though there have been a few minor rumblings about what the Mariners think of him, it seems the primary reason he isn't playing shortstop in the majors is that they have a guy playing shortstop in the majors, and you can't play two guys at shortstop in the majors. Well, you can, but people might look at you funny. 3) Dustin Ackley -- former #2 overall draft pick out of UNC (where he would have crossed paths with Harvey) Has fallen short of expectations since that high draft spot. Always seemed like a bit of a 'tweener' to me, someone the Ms weren't sure was an IF or an OF and, stuck between being a average guy and a power guy, has become not much of either. See: why Nick Franklin doesn't play shortstop right now. He's playing center because that's the guy of Franklin/Miller/him that they think they can stick there (and because the other two were hitting better). Ackley's been good enough with the glove at second that he's provided significantvalue even when he's been bat-terrible.

Frayed Knot Dec 13 2013 07:03 AM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

- I think mgmt considers Syndergaard all but untouchable - and there's no one being discussed in this thread that I'd deal him for. - Yeah, it could just be the presence of Miller that moved Franklin off of SS (I know nothing about Miller). But of course the majors leagues are littered with guys who once played SS--as amateurs, in the minors, or as new MLers--when they were younger and/or the gap between their talent and everyone else's was much wider. Like I said, maybe he still can play there, or maybe it's more a case of now you're with the big kids so you're not automatically top dog anymore. Hopefully anyone looking to deal for him has checked this stuff out. - Ackley was drafted as an OF but then was shifted to 2B and has played several positions since. The 'tweener' label refers more to to his hitting (or lack thereof) than anything else; not really power, but not really average either. For a guy who was drafted that high out of college and then was a top 12 prospect in BA two years running, his ML stint has disappointed so far, especially for someone on the verge of turning 26.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2013 07:05 AM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

It really doesn't look like Syndergaard is going anywhere. And thanks for asking for the clarification on "Thor"; I had no idea who that might have been.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2013 07:27 AM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

As I understand it, it's an Internet-born in-joke based on clubhouse in-joke (if Harvey is the "Dark Knight", then Wheeler and Syndergaard are...). I'd have to take a closer look at Franklin's tool set, but if he's half-decent at short, I'd ABSOLUTELY consider moving Syndergaard for a young, major-league-proven, non-arb-eligible MI with a bat.

Ashie62 Dec 13 2013 04:08 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

Montero at 1b?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 13 2013 04:53 PM Re: What about Jesus Montero?

He's played 22 games there at any level of organized ball (including winter leagues). And y'know how you feel about Duda and Ike? His last two seasons are like Ike's bad months, only, y'know, season-long. And if he's not hitting enough to hold down "starting catcher," well... Really, he's interesting. But he's not old enough for them to likely sell cheap, and he's not shown enough to pay anything like full freight on him. I mean, if I were Sandy, I'd ask, in passing. But unless I know the price is dollarstore, it's not going beyond that.