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Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Mex17 Dec 13 2013 03:38 PM

How does that affect Ike-to-Milwaukee negotiations? Does it give leverage to the Mets because there is one less first baseman on the market for Milwaukee to choose from, or does it give leverage to the Brewers because there is one less team for the Mets to trade Ike to?

Ashie62 Dec 13 2013 04:04 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Ill bet on the Brewers. Personally, I believe Ike will be our 2014 Mets IB..

Zvon Dec 13 2013 06:25 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Ashie62 wrote: Personally, I believe Ike will be our 2014 Mets IB.. I'll agree with this. Everyone says push an Ike trade, and keep Duda. I feel the other way around. Duda should go to the Al and be a DH. That would be in his best interest.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2013 08:31 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

It sounds like the Mets want Ike to be gone, and I expect he will be, probably before New Year's.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2013 08:35 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Certainly not everyone is saying to push a Davis trade.

Zvon Dec 13 2013 08:52 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: Certainly not everyone is saying to push a Davis trade. Everyone who counts who's saying something or anything. Like its THE priority. I don't dislike Duda. Just he can't field. I feel Ike is at least back to fielding to his best potential. And I hope he can find his way back to hitting to his potential. If it ends up the other way round and Duda gets 1b, I'll root for him. That's pretty much the only position I have any confidence in him playing. But I really think Davis is the better chance to take and Duda would do better as a DH.

Edgy MD Dec 13 2013 09:21 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Zvon wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Certainly not everyone is saying to push a Davis trade. Everyone who counts who's saying something or anything. This hurts me so very deeply.

Zvon Dec 14 2013 03:07 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Certainly not everyone is saying to push a Davis trade. Everyone who counts who's saying something or anything. This hurts me so very deeply. lmao. Sorry! I mean all those reliable, familiar with Metly thinking, in-the-know, inside, unnamed sources /via the usual suspect reporters. And you count more than them. Lil bit.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2013 05:06 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Everyone with inside info is saying that that's what the Mets want to do, not what they should do. Many people I've seen on Mets Hot Stove in the last couple of weeks (Gary Cohen, Ron Darling, Jim Duquette, Andy Martino, and, I think, John Harper) all tend to prefer keeping Ike over keeping Lucas. Me, although I used to be totally on Team Ike, would rather see a Plan C, whatever that might be.

Lefty Specialist Dec 14 2013 05:32 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Everyone with inside info is saying that that's what the Mets want to do, not what they should do. Many people I've seen on Mets Hot Stove in the last couple of weeks (Gary Cohen, Ron Darling, Jim Duquette, Andy Martino, and, I think, John Harper) all tend to prefer keeping Ike over keeping Lucas. Me, although I used to be totally on Team Ike, would rather see a Plan C, whatever that might be. And this is where I am, too. It's not like Davis and Duda haven't been given chances. They have and the results have ranged from mediocre to horrifying. It's time to move on.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 14 2013 06:55 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Just can't see how we pin so much on Ike Davis again after wasting 2 years waiting for him to stop pounding the Jameson and start hitting. The only scenario I could see him helping in is one where we're so loaded with offense at every other position we could bat him 8th and hope for the best but that;'s not the case here obviously. I think Sandy is a ballbreaking negotiator and if Davis does go in a swap the haul will be acceptable.

Frayed Knot Dec 14 2013 07:12 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

I think Sandy's going to need to get creative for an Ike deal to bring back enough to make it worth the trouble. I've been of the opinion all along that the way this gets done is in some kind of multi-player and/or multi-team deal. Maybe it becomes and Ike + Muffy deal; or you package Ike with a young pitcher, or with a Lagares/dDekker/Puello kind of prospect, in exchange for a couple of hopeful maybes back; or you broker something where several teams get involved to the point where there are players flying all over the place until, like a vicious crime scene, it'll take a while before all the bodies can be sorted out. Dealing Ike one-for-one just seems like such a risk that both sides will want to pad the deal with enough extras to where Ike becomes the side dish rather than the main course.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 07:44 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

At least one version of Plan C has Murphy returning to first. He'd probably never make an All Star team there, but the defense wouldn't be as much a downgrade, and the offense would at least be less mercurial. The certainty would be worth something.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2013 07:57 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

The sort of something that, like, an empty, safe marriage is worth, I suppose. Which, y'know, isn't dying alone in an empty house, figuratively speaking.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2013 08:37 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Murphy at first would be a much more appealing option if the Mets got a real kickass second baseman. Murphy at first so that Eric Young can play second base? Not so much.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 08:54 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Well, presumably, it would be Murphy to first so that Duda and Davis could be dealt for wonderful things. Part of the appeal of sticking with them both is that I celebrate Sandy's willingness to walk away from the table until somebody comes back to him with an offer that hurts them. We should support the team in this.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 14 2013 09:01 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Murph at first and another second baseman would only be better than Murph at second and, say, a league-average first baseman if the hypothetical second baseman were, say, Ian Kinsler with a higher average, or a constantly-hustling Cano.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 09:12 AM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Well, again, the idea would be that whatever is lost is gained elsewheres. I'm not advocating, at all. But folks are speaking of Plan C, and that's one.

Zvon Dec 14 2013 12:13 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

I'm certainly interested in plan C as long as it keeps Muffy a Met. I figure there is an immediate need to address the Davis/Duda situation. That will dictate the first base situation for now. Ever since Harvey went down I've been thinking: okay, lets focus on 2015 because we are gonna need Harvey, in Harvey form, to seriously compete. So Davis/Duda, wrap it up. One of em's gotta go. No point in having two ? lefties playing first. If one of the two plays first in 2014 that will be their last chance at the position with the Mets. Give em a few months. If it don't work out start working on what to do about 1b about mid season for 2015. I'm not writing 2014 off like I was before we got Grandy and ColossalMan. We have a shot at some wild stuff. But I don't feel the pitching is all there yet. Fell pretty good that it will all fall into place for 2015.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 01:03 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

I'm not on board with the idea that the team can't compete without Harvey. Heck, they spent a chunk of the season not winning with him on the mound, anyhow. You have five pitching slots to make up for what you lose from him. It's a challenge, but not impossible. In fact, it's the sort of adjustment teams make pretty regularly. The teams winniest year came in a season when a dominant Gooden fell back toward the pack. It's not what you want, but it's what you are trying to do anyhow --- get the team firing on all cylinders so you're not leaning on one guy.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2013 01:16 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not on board with the idea that the team can't compete without Harvey.... You have five pitching slots to make up for what you lose from him You mean hoping that the cumulative improvements of five starting pitchers gives the Mets the production of Harvey's 2013? That'll work. That'll get the 2014 Mets right back to the mediocrity they were last year. And that's a lot of things that have to go right, too. Just to get back to mediocrity. It can happen. I don't say that it can't. I think that the Mets could win 85 games in 2014 if they put up team stats commensurate with an 85 win team ... 90 wins if they put up team stats commensurate with a 90 win team.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 01:21 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

No, that's not what I mean.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 14 2013 01:22 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I'm not on board with the idea that the team can't compete without Harvey.... You have five pitching slots to make up for what you lose from him You mean hoping that the cumulative improvements of five starting pitchers gives the Mets the production of Harvey's 2013? That'll work. That'll get the 2014 Mets right back to the mediocrity they were last year. And that's a lot of things that have to go right, too. Just to get back to mediocrity. It can happen. I don't say that it can't. I think that the Mets could win 85 games in 2014 if they put up team stats commensurate with an 85 win team ... 90 wins if they put up team stats commensurate with a 90 win team. They could also win 90 games by putting up team stats commensurate with an 85 win team and then lucking out, Pythagoras-wise.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 01:34 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Now you're talking to yourself.

Benjamin Grimm Dec 14 2013 03:11 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not on board with the idea that the team can't compete without Harvey. Me neither.

Zvon Dec 14 2013 03:24 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: I'm not on board with the idea that the team can't compete without Harvey. Sure they can compete. Realistically, for third place, as they have for the last few seasons. And at that we only made it to third once, last season. With big breaks, a few surprise performances, no major injuries, lots of luck, for the wild card. I'd never say that's not possible. Id never say first place is impossible either. But that would be a miracle. We are due for a miracle.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 03:41 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

A lot of things have happened to suggest the trend lines of the past will deviate going forward. They always do. It's not a miracle when that happens. Yes, a lot will have to go right. It always has to be that way, more or less. The Mets' two championship teams were largely injury-free.

Zvon Dec 14 2013 05:20 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: The Mets' two championship teams were largely injury-free. Yea. And I don't know if it's because I'm following the team more closer these days than in the past or what, but I've been amazed at the rate at which injuries have effected this team, as well as other teams. I'm going to enjoy this season coming up more than I figured I would. So don't get me wrong. I'm not down on the team. I'm okay with them coming in third if they play hard and show improvement. I think we are going to see some good baseball.

Edgy MD Dec 14 2013 06:54 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Well, don't get me wrong. By any measure I've come up with so far, the most likely outcome for the rotation as it now stands is a net loss of four wins. I'm foolish but not stupid.

Ashie62 Dec 15 2013 04:16 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

Edgy MD wrote: A lot of things have happened to suggest the trend lines of the past will deviate going forward. They always do. It's not a miracle when that happens. Yes, a lot will have to go right. It always has to be that way, more or less. The Mets' two championship teams were largely injury-free. Sounds abit pollyanna...

Edgy MD Dec 15 2013 04:27 PM Re: Loney to re-sign with Rays. . .

OK, sure. If that's how you like to see me dressed in your head, go for it.