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2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Frayed Knot
Dec 22 2013 05:47 PM

Based on the idea that lengthy--both in time and in pages--posts should eventually be put out to pasture, I’m starting up a new thread to follow the exploits of the 2014 MFYs while allowing the old one to drift into the sunset just as the team it followed did.
But I’m going to use one of Vic’s posts from late in that thread as a bridge to this one, specifically the part where he said: "... and they just keep getting older and more expensive"

And onto that comes Joel Sherman’s column in today NYPost where he adds the delightful observation that, ”The Yankees have accomplished the near impossible — they had the oldest player in the majors (Mariano Rivera) and the oldest starter (Andy Pettitte) retire and yet somehow have gotten older this off-season."

He goes on to point out that Teixeira, at age 34, will be MLB’s 3rd oldest starting 1st baseman this year, just months behind Adam LaRoche & Ryan Howard (both are also 34).

At 2B, probable starter Brian Roberts (36) will be the 3rd oldest at that spot, behind only Marco Scutaro (38) and Mark Ellis (assuming he starts for the Cards over rookie Kolten ‘Pick-off’ Wong) who is just months older than Roberts.

At SS -- Derek Jet-uh, Numbuh Two -- 40 at mid-season, will be the oldest starting SS by some 4-1/2 years (Jimmy Rollins)

At 3B things get a bit dicey. If ARod manages to play he’ll be the oldest by a gap of three years over Aramis Ramirez. If not they’ll go to Kelly Johnson who’ll be the baby of the indield despite being 32 and the 4th oldest starting 3B in baseball.

In the OF things are looking much brighter. Assuming that the recently signed (Angels) Raul Ibanez is there to DH and put his glove in moth-balls, then Four of the oldest Six OFs are currently on the Yanqui roster: Ichiro (40 - oldest in MLB), Soriano (38 - 3rd), Beltran (37 - 4th), Vernon Wells (35 - 6th) [non-Yanx Toriiiii Hunter and Ryan Ludwick are the missing two]
It's possible that they'll trade either Ichiro or Wells before the season starts. Of course it's also possible that they'll deal Brett Gardner (31 during the upcoming season ... not as young as you thought, eh?) and become even older.

Among starters, Hiroki Kurada with be 3rd oldest (Colon & Dickey) and Sabathia 7th
And while age usually doesn’t matter a whole lot with relieving specialists, it should be noted that the major pen move for the Yanx this winter has been to swap out their 29 y/o LOOGY (Boone Logan) for a 37 y/o LOOGY (Matt Thorton).

Trachsel My Tears
Dec 22 2013 07:25 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

The crumble definitely continues. The Yankees have given almost no thought to what happens when the core gets old, and guess what? The core got old. Very, very old. Who could have seen that coming?

Well, me.

And you. And you, of course, and certainly you.

It's sort of astonishing, isn't it, how obvious this major catastrophe was and is, and how little they've done to try to prevent the collapse before it happened.

I plan to watch a lot of Yankees baseball this season, just to see them lose game after game after game. Or maybe just catching the 9th inning a lot would suffice. No Sandman. A decrepit Jeter. An aging Teixera. Pettitte gone. Cano gone. A creaky Ichiro.

This will be great!

Frayed Knot
Dec 22 2013 07:43 PM
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Well, what they're doing this year is a 'Go-For-It' season with all these elderly signings even as there was a school of thought that between the Pettitte & Rivera retirements, the ARod & Jeter situations, plus Cano leaving that they'd retrench and at least go partially into re-build mode and actually make good on that threat to get under the lux-tax threshold.

And there's still the possibility of this Hail-Mary strategy all working out for them, at least in the short run, as the additions of McCann, Ellsbury & Beltran mixed in with the (probable) returns of Teixeira and Jeter shouldn't be totally dismissed out of hand. But this could just as easily all go south on them in one big hurry and end in a spectacular fireball (and wouldn't THAT be fun to watch).

No doubt that the last-minute changes over posting rules for Japanese imports threw them for a loop too as I think they were counting on blowing everyone else out of the water (posting fees don't count against the salary cap) and gaining unchallenged rights to this Tanaka guy. Now the rules aren't as lucrative for the current employers and suddenly his team isn't so anxious to post him nor can one team lock him in exclusively to just one club with which to negotiate.

Fman99
Dec 22 2013 08:03 PM
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Trachsel My Tears wrote:
The crumble definitely continues. The Yankees have given almost no thought to what happens when the core gets old, and guess what? The core got old. Very, very old. Who could have seen that coming?

Well, me.

And you. And you, of course, and certainly you.

It's sort of astonishing, isn't it, how obvious this major catastrophe was and is, and how little they've done to try to prevent the collapse before it happened.

I plan to watch a lot of Yankees baseball this season, just to see them lose game after game after game. Or maybe just catching the 9th inning a lot would suffice. No Sandman. A decrepit Jeter. An aging Teixera. Pettitte gone. Cano gone. A creaky Ichiro.

This will be great!


Wow, a new member and a MFY hater to boot! Welcome a-Bordick!

I hope for a very crumbly 2014. Like, Grandma's oatmeal cookies type crumbling.

Ceetar
Dec 23 2013 07:37 AM
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This season isn't about competing for the Yankees, it's about a Derek Jeter farewell tour.

Frayed Knot
Jan 10 2014 01:56 PM
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Vernon Wells designated for assignment by the Yanx in order to clear roster space.
Wells, 35, is due a $21 million salary in 2014 although the largest share of that is being paid by the Angels.

Ceetar
Jan 10 2014 02:01 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Vernon Wells designated for assignment by the Yanx in order to clear roster space.
Wells, 35, is due a $21 million salary in 2014 although the largest share of that is being paid by the Angels.


I hope this is just housekeeping and not a sign of impending Tanaka.

Frayed Knot
Jan 10 2014 02:09 PM
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I don't think one has anything to do with the other. It probably signals that they're not trading Brett Gardner as much as anything.
Either way, the Yanx just dropped a 35 y/o and the average age of their OF just got older as Wells was the 2nd youngest guy they had out there.

Ceetar
Jan 10 2014 02:14 PM
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Blue Jays must still be paying him some too right? I saw someone mention that if he gets picked up he'll be getting paid by 4 teams.

Edgy MD
Jan 10 2014 02:15 PM
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I'm kind of hoping that their load up on soon-to-expire medications DOES work for them, in the short run, at least a little. Because then they'll almost certainly double down and add Barry Zito and Jonathan Broxton and Brad Penny and Dontrelle Willis and some other guys who had a nice 2005. They'll almost have no choice.

You'll be watching a Yankee game in mid-June, half paying attention, the team'll be six out, and Al Leiter will be talking about that big series coming up with Minnesota, seeing it as a big chance to make up some ground against the hot division leaders, when all of a sudden, in the sixth inning, you'll be saying, "Holy crap, where did Juan Pierre come from?"

Ceetar
Jan 10 2014 02:17 PM
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Dontrelle Willis just signed elsewhere actually.

The Yanks sign youngling Matt Thornton, 37, a declining LOOGY to a 2/$7 million deal it looks like.

Edgy MD
Jan 10 2014 02:20 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Dontrelle Willis just signed elsewhere actually.

Like that will stop the Yankees.

Vic Sage
Jan 10 2014 02:37 PM
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current Yankee lineup:

CF - Ellsbury (30/$22m)
SS - Jeter (40/$12m) / Ryan (32/$2m)
RF - Beltran (37/$15m) / Ichiro (40/$6.5m)
1b - Texiera (34/$22.5m)
3b - A-Rod (38/$25m) / Nunez (27/~$1m)
[if A-Rod suspended, they may re-sign Mark Reynolds (30/~$5m)?]
C - McCann (30/$17m) / Cervelli (28/~$1m)
DH - Soriano (38/$5m)
LF - Gardner (32/~$5m)
2b - Roberts (36/$2m) / Johnson (32/$3m)

SP - Sabathia (33/$22m)
SP - Kuroda (39/$16M)
SP - Nova (27/~$2m)
SP - [Pineda] (25/~$1m)
SP - [Phelps] (27/~$.5m)?

RP - Robertson (29/~$5m)
RP - Thornton (37/$3.5m)
RP - Kelley (30/~$2m)
RP - Eppley (28/~$1m)
RP/SP -[Huff] (29/~$1m)
RP - Warren (26/~)? / Claiborne (26/~)?

This puts them on the hook for over $190m, even with the release of Wells. Assuming A-Rod gets suspended, they'll save $25m (putting them around $165m), but they'll still need a 3bman (assume Reyolds at $5m), and they still need a #3 starter and a decent setup man. Otherwise they're giving too many ABs to Nunez (or Johnson), and too many IP to Nova and Pineda, and are way too thin in the pen. So with Reynolds they'll be at $170m, and they can go cheap on a final reliever if they want to go all out on Tanaka. I think they will. And if they can get him for under $19m/yr or so, they'll likely stay under their $189M target budget.

Frayed Knot
Jan 10 2014 02:44 PM
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The ARod situation should be resolved within the next week.
Of course then the lawsuits will start flying so "resolved" will kind of be a fluid term.

Edgy MD
Jan 10 2014 02:50 PM
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I question whether a team getting off the hook is healthy for anti-PED enforcement.

Ceetar
Jan 10 2014 02:52 PM
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Seems unlikely A-Rod walks with NO suspension, but even 50 games would save them $8 million.

Frayed Knot
Jan 10 2014 05:21 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Blue Jays must still be paying him some too right? I saw someone mention that if he gets picked up he'll be getting paid by 4 teams.



Original deal was signed just over 7 years ago with Toronto in December of '06. But the deal didn't take effect until 2008 and totaled 7 years for $126 million
- 3 years later (Jan '11) he was dealt to Anaheim with $86 million remaining, but the Jays paid just $5 mil in that transaction so Toronto's share is certainly in the rear view at this point.
- when dealt to the Yanks in March of '13 the Angels included a total of $28.1 of the remaining $42 million, most of which was paid to cover the 2014 period so, by cutting him, the Yanx are 'only' on the hook for $2.4 mil this year as compared to the $11.5 they paid for his services in 2013

So if Wells signs with another team for this season his 2014 salary would be getting paid by three different teams while four teams would have covered various portions of the lifespan of the seven-year deal
Blue Jays ~ (3 seasons) $45 million
Angels ~ (2 seasons) $67.1
Yanx ~ (1 season) $13.9
Team X (2014) -- probably minimum wage or something close to it


Seems doubtful that he'd be able to snag a starting job although yaneverknow.
If not he wouldn't be a bad guy to take a flyer on as a bench/PH. He's pretty slow these days but can still play either 1B or a corner OF spot when needed with a minimum of casualties expected.

smg58
Jan 10 2014 06:13 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I'm kind of hoping that their load up on soon-to-expire medications DOES work for them, in the short run, at least a little. Because then they'll almost certainly double down and add Barry Zito and Jonathan Broxton and Brad Penny and Dontrelle Willis and some other guys who had a nice 2005. They'll almost have no choice.

You'll be watching a Yankee game in mid-June, half paying attention, the team'll be six out, and Al Leiter will be talking about that big series coming up with Minnesota, seeing it as a big chance to make up some ground against the hot division leaders, when all of a sudden, in the sixth inning, you'll be saying, "Holy crap, where did Juan Pierre come from?"


You'll be watching a Yankee game in mid-June, half paying attention, the team'll be six out, and Al Leiter will be pitching.

MFS62
Jan 10 2014 08:52 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ceetar wrote:

Team X (2014) -- probably minimum wage or something close to it

Seems doubtful that he'd be able to snag a starting job although yaneverknow.
If not he wouldn't be a bad guy to take a flyer on as a bench/PH. He's pretty slow these days but can still play either 1B or a corner OF spot when needed with a minimum of casualties expected.

Yes, once the waiting time for his DFA clears (48 hours?) any team can sign him for as little as the major league minimum. And the other contracts in force must pick up the remainder of their obligations to him. But I'm thinking there will be enough GMs who think he may have something left in his tank that the bidding will go higher than that. Not much. maybe, but higher. If the price stays reasonable, I think he's worth a look-see. If they cut him, the other contracts in force kick back in.

Later

G-Fafif
Jan 12 2014 02:14 PM
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Creeps.

Edgy MD
Jan 12 2014 07:07 PM
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Still think that falling beam was sabotage.

Ashie62
Jan 13 2014 09:52 AM
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Brian Roberts is added the the 40 man... Roberts at 2B Kelly Johnson 3B...

Mets have the MFY's beat at these two spots...

Farmer Ted
Jan 14 2014 07:56 AM
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Yankified. Yup.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jan 22 2014 07:51 AM
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Fuck Tanaka anyway. 7/155

Ceetar
Jan 22 2014 07:54 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Fuck Tanaka anyway. 7/155



Plus $20 to the Japanese team. The Yankees are like a kid who see a shiny toy and must have it. Sure, sometimes it's a good toy, but they better hope that toy doesn't yield a lot of ground balls, particularly to the left side.

MFS62
Jan 22 2014 08:03 AM
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I hope Tanaka means "Clone of Irabu".

Later

Ceetar
Jan 22 2014 08:12 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
I hope Tanaka means "Clone of Irabu".

Later


I think it means "past a diving Jeter"

He's an average K groundball pitcher and the Yankees infield is laughable. (Not that yielding fly balls in that place is a good idea)

I could easily see a FIP of 3.2 with an ERA of 4.6. Actually Jon Niese is a similar type pitcher.
[url]http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/looking-for-comps-for-masahiro-tanaka/ is a pretty good article about what type of pitcher Tanaka is/could be.

Frayed Knot
Jan 22 2014 08:19 AM
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I reckon this shoots the ol' 'get under the lux tax cap' thing all to hell, huh?
Under the old posting rules they probably could have gotten away with maybe $125 mil total instead of $175 - and maybe only $75 mil of it would have been subject to the total for cap purposes instead of $155


I think the clincher to the deal came when the Yanx promised to throw in Hidecki Matsui's leftover porn-tape collection.

d'Kong76
Jan 22 2014 08:31 AM
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I was just googlin' fat-pussy-toad seeing Irabu's name. I
didn't realize (or I've forgotten) that he committed suicide
at age 42. Phwamo.

“He was a world-class pitcher,” said former Mets manager Bobby Valentine, who managed Irabu in Japan in 1995. “When Nolan Ryan saw him, he said he
had never seen anything like it. There were just some days when he was as good a pitcher as I had ever seen. A fabulous arm.”

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jan 22 2014 09:01 AM
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As a fan of new, exciting, athletic achievements, I was really hoping to root for the guy to be good.

Lefty Specialist
Jan 22 2014 09:13 AM
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They'd really been working toward getting under the cap for one year to re-set all the penalties. But when push came to shove, outbidding everyone else for the best new toy won out.

Edgy MD
Jan 22 2014 09:16 AM
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I don't think he profiles like Irabu. More like Halladay, I think, or Maddux. Coming off a 24-0 season and working on a 26-game winning streak... that's no joke. His ERAs the last few years... 1.27, 1.87, 1.27. That's not a bag of Goldfish crackers.

Downsides: His K/9 has been dropping, from 1.06 in 2011, to 0.97 in 2012, to 0.86 last year. They've changed the ball or something, haven't they? The real downside is that, like Daisuke, he had one of those legendary work loads in high school that are like something out of a comic book or a W.P. Kinsella novel. They should be happy to get three high-end seasons out of the seven.

But at least they didn't have to pay $51.1 million up front for the honor. And he's only 25, only four months older than Harvey. It's defensible, certainly, but it's hard to see how this is a safer risk than Cano.

seawolf17
Jan 22 2014 10:32 AM
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I hate the stupid Yankees.

Ashie62
Jan 22 2014 04:21 PM
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So the deal is 7/155 and I assume add 20 million for posting.

Will Tenaka be a fat pussy toad??? Only the shadow knows....

Off topic..but seeing money flying around like this makes me wish Sandy would call Stephen Drews agent and get er dun. Its only money for chrissakes...

Lets Go Mets!!!

Nymr83
Jan 22 2014 05:01 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Ashie62 wrote:
So the deal is 7/155 and I assume add 20 million for posting.

Will Tenaka be a fat pussy toad??? Only the shadow knows....

Off topic..but seeing money flying around like this makes me wish Sandy would call Stephen Drews agent and get er dun. Its only money for chrissakes...

Lets Go Mets!!!


its only someone else's money you mean.

Ashie62
Jan 22 2014 10:02 PM
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Well..at least money is replaceable lol...

If certain major league teams are worth a billion or more why don't they spend more on payroll? It is supposed to be an investment..

I mean the Mets are being outspent by the Royals this season..so far anyway...Never would have guessed that could happen five years ago...

Zvon
Jan 22 2014 10:26 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
Well..at least money is replaceable lol...

If certain major league teams are worth a billion or more why don't they spend more on payroll? It is supposed to be an investment..

I mean the Mets are being outspent by the Royals this season..so far anyway...Never would have guessed that could happen five years ago...


What are the Royals ticket prices? I used to think: hey, it's only money. But unfortunately I've come to think its more like: Hey, its our freakin' ticket prices. I really don't care what they pay players. Sometimes I find it funny, like with this Tanaka guy.

I am very concerned about ticket prices. An average family should be able to afford a night at the ballpark.

Ashie62
Jan 22 2014 10:41 PM
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Zvon wrote:
Well..at least money is replaceable lol...

If certain major league teams are worth a billion or more why don't they spend more on payroll? It is supposed to be an investment..

I mean the Mets are being outspent by the Royals this season..so far anyway...Never would have guessed that could happen five years ago...


What are the Royals ticket prices? I used to think: hey, it's only money. But unfortunately I've come to think its more like: Hey, its our freakin' ticket prices. I really don't care what they pay players. Sometimes I find it funny, like with this Tanaka guy.

I am very concerned about ticket prices. An average family should be able to afford a night at the ballpark.


You have apoint...For me...its easier and more enjoyble to watch them on TV...I don't know what the price point is that keeps people home but I truly wonder how anything but a well-heeled family can attend a game at any of the major sports...

Fman99
Jan 23 2014 04:38 AM
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I hope we're looking at "Kei Igawa 2: Electric Boogaloo," where Tenaka and the TKO crew have to break dance to save the rec center from the evil real estate developer.

Edgy MD
Jan 23 2014 07:36 AM
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The Royals are an interesting test case --- no big ticket items, but a lot of guys between $3 million and $13 million. A willingness unusual for teams in their position to spend $4 million on supporting players instead of finding a rookie or a pre-arbitration guy that may be just as good but isn't as field-proven. Usually I think that's a poor use of money, unless you have it burn, but we'll see.

MFS62
Jan 23 2014 07:47 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I don't think he profiles like Irabu. More like Halladay, I think, or Maddux. Coming off a 24-0 season and working on a 26-game winning streak... that's no joke. His ERAs the last few years... 1.27, 1.87, 1.27. That's not a bag of Goldfish crackers.

To paraphrase an old baseball joke, we should sign the guys who were able to hit him.

Later

Vic Sage
Jan 23 2014 11:26 AM
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Zvon wrote:
Well..at least money is replaceable lol...

If certain major league teams are worth a billion or more why don't they spend more on payroll? It is supposed to be an investment..

I mean the Mets are being outspent by the Royals this season..so far anyway...Never would have guessed that could happen five years ago...


What are the Royals ticket prices? I used to think: hey, it's only money. But unfortunately I've come to think its more like: Hey, its our freakin' ticket prices. I really don't care what they pay players. Sometimes I find it funny, like with this Tanaka guy.

I am very concerned about ticket prices. An average family should be able to afford a night at the ballpark.


A team's payroll has no direct relationship to its ticket prices, just like the price of crack and crystal meth isn't determined by its production costs. Prices are determined by demand, and continually float up to the highest level that the team can sell them at. If a team is losing regularly, the lesser demand causes downward pressure on price, but they don't cut ticket prices just because they cut payroll. Less attractive games cost less, not because the payroll is cheaper those days but because tix are harder to sell to such games.

But ticket sales are an increasingly less important revenue source for most franchises anyway; they make more from concessions, merchandising and parking, but mostly from their share of media licenses (some even having their own networks), and revenue sharing from other teams, than they do from ticket prices.

I think teams like it when we blame their high prices on how much they have to pay those "overpriced ballplayers"; it displaces their responsibility.

Ceetar
Jan 23 2014 11:55 AM
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Mets ticket price average is probably what, $30? if they drew 3 million fans again that's 90 million dollars.

Vic Sage
Jan 23 2014 11:56 AM
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current Yankee lineup:

CF - Ellsbury (30/$22m)
SS - Jeter (40/$12m) / Ryan (32/$2m)
RF - Beltran (37/$15m) / Ichiro (40/$6.5m)
1b - Texiera (34/$22.5m)
DH - Soriano (38/$5m)
C - McCann (30/$17m) / Cervelli (28/$0.7m)
LF - Gardner (32/$5.6m)
3b - Nunez (27/~$1m) / [? ]
2b - Roberts (36/$2m) / Johnson (32/$3m)

SP - Sabathia (33/$22m)
SP - Kuroda (39/$16M)
SP - Tanaka (25/$22m)
SP - Nova (27/$3.3m)
SP - [Pineda] (25/~$1m)

RP - Robertson (29/$5.2m)
RP - Thornton (37/$3.5m)
RP - Kelley (30/$1.75m)
RP - [Eppley] (28/~$1m)
RP/SP - [Phelps] (27/~$.5m)
RP/SP - [warren] (26/~$.5m)

additional 2014 payroll:
*A-Rod ($3.15m)

Vic Sage
Jan 23 2014 12:11 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
Mets ticket price average is probably what, $30? if they drew 3 million fans again that's 90 million dollars.


First of all, you have no idea what their "avg tkt price" is. They have corporate boxes and luxury seats purchased as business expenses that are pre-sold at obscene rates, and your averaging that against $15 day-of tickets in the corners of the upper deck? Overall attendance can fall and they could still make more, depending on the sales of the high-end seats. similarly, attendance can rise dramatically and likewise have little impact on the bottom line, if increase is based on low-price seats.

second of all, so what? Do you think for a second that if the Mets were able to drop their payroll even further but still drew 3M, that ticket prices would go DOWN? In this industry, price is based on demand, not production cost.

Ceetar
Jan 23 2014 12:13 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:


second of all, so what? Do you think for a second that if the Mets were able to drop their payroll even further but still drew 3M, that ticket prices would go DOWN? In this industry, price is based on demand, not production cost.


no, ticket prices won't go down. They'll creep up, because that's what they do.

But payroll? If the Mets are in an 'don't spend more than the Mets make' mode, then absolutely they might push it higher based on making more money.

Edgy MD
Jan 23 2014 12:16 PM
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Mets ticket prices haven't really crept up in recent years, but inched down, as demand has diminished.

Ceetar
Jan 23 2014 12:27 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Mets ticket prices haven't really crept up in recent years, but inched down, as demand has diminished.


correct. Although really it's mostly shifted to premium games and weekends more than really went down. And they've done all sorts of deals and giveaways. But the amount of money they make directly from fan tickets is not trivial, and absolutely factors into the teams overall budget which includes payroll.

The difference from KC is the potential money from the other 2million fans that could, and would, attend Mets games if they were winning. The Royals drew 2 million in their post WS years, but that was 20-25 years ago. The Mets drew 3.5 6 years ago.

Edgy MD
Jan 23 2014 01:52 PM
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Revenues factoring into payroll does not mean payroll drives ticket prices.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 12 2014 11:07 AM
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Baseball’s Worst Contracts

1. 3B Alex Rodriguez, New York Yankees: four years, $61 million*

So, let’s see. Even after a season-long 2014 suspension that takes the Yankees off the hook for almost all of his $25 million salary, Rodriguez will still make a tick more than $20 million a year through his 42nd birthday. Amid major hip problems and other maladies, it’s hard to know if he’ll ever be able to play anything close to a full season again, even after resting this year.

The notion of A-Rod playing for the Yankees or anyone else again might be merely hypothetical at this point, anyway. Baseball colluded against Bonds after the home run king hit .276/.480/.565 in 126 games for the Giants in 2007. From a PR standpoint, A-Rod has been 10,000 times the pain in the ass Bonds was, and he’s nowhere near the hitter Bonds was when teams slammed the door in the San Francisco slugger’s face. In all likelihood, the Yankees are going to end up eating the rest of his contract. Given the expectations the fan base has, and given the big revenue hits the Bombers might suffer if they settle for third-place rosters, it would behoove the Yankees to ignore A-Rod’s sunk cost, embrace their Evil Empire reputation, and go buy more players who might one day appear on this list.

*Well, four years and $63.9 million, if you want to get technical. While A-Rod’s 162-game suspension will cost him the bulk of his 2014 salary, a quirk will allow him to pocket $2.9 million this year.


http://grantland.com/features/mlb-worst ... rt-pujols/

Mets – Willets Point
Feb 12 2014 03:35 PM
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Hey, it works out perfectly for the Yankees, because they can slide A-Rod to SS in 2015.

Fman99
Feb 12 2014 07:40 PM
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Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Hey, it works out perfectly for the Yankees, because they can slide A-Rod to SS in 2015.


This gave me a hard on.

MFS62
Feb 12 2014 09:50 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Hey, it works out perfectly for the Yankees, because they can slide A-Rod to SS in 2015.


This gave me a hard on.

So do a lot of things.
:)
Later

Ceetar
Feb 17 2014 09:06 AM
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I like to slide this picture into any Yankees thread..

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 21 2014 10:08 AM
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In a way, it's comforting. The Mets aren't the only organization in this burg that sees its loyal ex-foot-soldiers get a proper sendoff in the press... right, Kevin Long and Mark Teixeira?

Teixeira said teammates tried to talk to Cano, but didn't seem to get through to him.

"Running hard down the line, that doesn’t cost anything. That’s just, it’s easy to do, and I think Kevin’s point was, why are you letting people criticize you when all you have to do is hustle a little bit?" Teixeria said.

"It wasn’t a huge deal in the clubhouse, but we did notice it."


But, y'know, at least Teixeira's ready to give his all the moment Spring Training start-- oh, wait.

Frayed Knot
Feb 23 2014 03:36 PM
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Four-year deal for Brett Gardner despite the lengthy commitment to Ellsbury in CF.
It is nice to see Yanx mgmt investing in their young players though (Gardner turns 31 this season)

Edgy MD
Mar 17 2014 09:36 AM
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Yankees play in Panama, salute Mariano Rivera, then proceed to get no-hit by four Marlins pitchers.

Oh, well, it's spring. You just know the Yankees, taking a road trip like that, packed their lineup with high numbers and no-names. Looking at the lineup now, I'm finding names like Derek Jeter, Carlos Beltran, Alfonso Soriano and Brett Gardner. Who ever heard of them?

The Marlins, by the way, are looking pretty Oriolian in their springtime togs:



Here's to more victories over the Yankees by teams clad in that color scheme.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Mar 17 2014 09:54 AM
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Jeter in mid-season form -- two wiffs in three AB.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Apr 01 2014 05:54 PM
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I don't know if anyone's watching the opener in Houston, but it's hilarious. (All the moreso as I-- a fan who generally pays attention to other teams and an avid fantasy baseball player-- only recognize about 4 of the Astros starters offhand.)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 01 2014 06:31 PM
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It was really great. Balls hit past drawn-in infield, Sabathia appearing to jaw at McCann who looks like shit behind the plate, Beltran making an awful throw to third base, Teixera making a terrible throw to home, Jeter getting drilled in the arm. It is beautiful.

Houston threatening again, 2 on 0 out in the 4th up 6-0.

d'Kong76
Apr 01 2014 07:12 PM
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I put it on for a minute just now. Michael Kay declared that
Sabathia has battled through six. That's all I can watch for
the week.

Nymr83
Apr 01 2014 07:17 PM
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I'm not watching, but I am enjoying the scoreboard, until now...

Feldman was cruising along but just loaded the bases with a hit batter and a 5 pitch walk with 2 outs in the 7th. i hope their bullpen is better than ours!

Nymr83
Apr 01 2014 07:19 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
I put it on for a minute just now. Michael Kay declared that
Sabathia has battled through six. That's all I can watch for
the week.


I'm hoping to avoid even hearing a Yankee announcer until at least June.

themetfairy
Apr 01 2014 07:50 PM
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On the MLB package I'm catching the Astros telecast.

d'Kong76
Apr 01 2014 07:56 PM
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Blacked out here ... it's Yankeevision or nothing.

themetfairy
Apr 01 2014 08:37 PM
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The MLB package blacks out the Phillies games here. No great loss.

Farmer Ted
Apr 02 2014 08:59 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTMixF2Iwy4

Ceetar
Apr 04 2014 02:45 PM
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Wait, the Yankees have not one, but TWO 26-27 year old rookies backup infielders on the roster? An infield that's already suspect? And one of them is named Dean Anna?

Frayed Knot
Apr 05 2014 02:35 PM
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Teixeira to DL -- hamstring.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 05 2014 07:21 PM
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John Harper already written a column advocating the MFYs trade for Davis.

Sure, they can have him.

For Betances. And Beltran. And Austin Jackson. And Kuroda. And Phelps. Oh and that creaky old shortstop. We could use an upgrade on Quintanilla. Hell, we'll throw him in.

Ashie62
Apr 05 2014 07:24 PM
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You would have to talk to the Tigers about Austin Jackson, but the rest sound fair...

Frayed Knot
Apr 05 2014 08:54 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
John Harper already written a column advocating the MFYs trade for Davis.


Even Gary mentioned that angle briefly today.
Of course that was prior to the GW GS

d'Kong76
Apr 07 2014 12:41 PM
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Is it common knowledge that Beltrán has always wanted
to be a Yankee -- that his agent called the Yankees shortly
before he signed with the Mets stating that he'd go to the Bronx
for less dough than Flushing was offering?

Ceetar
Apr 07 2014 12:45 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
Is it common knowledge that Beltrán has always wanted
to be a Yankee -- that his agent called the Yankees shortly
before he signed with the Mets stating that he'd go to the Bronx
for less dough than Flushing was offering?


It's been reported that Boras called the Yankees, though I don't think it was for less. In fact, I suspect it was for more, and I suspect had they ponied up he would've then called back the Mets again. You know, and negotiate.

d'Kong76
Apr 07 2014 12:52 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
d'Kong76 wrote:
Is it common knowledge that Beltrán has always wanted
to be a Yankee -- that his agent called the Yankees shortly
before he signed with the Mets stating that he'd go to the Bronx
for less dough than Flushing was offering?


It's been reported that Boras called the Yankees, though I don't think it was for less. In fact, I suspect it was for more, and I suspect had they ponied up he would've then called back the Mets again. You know, and negotiate.


Michael said differently on this afternoon's broadcast. Of
course, he lives in a reality that is known by few.

d'Kong76
Apr 07 2014 12:52 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
d'Kong76 wrote:
Is it common knowledge that Beltrán has always wanted
to be a Yankee -- that his agent called the Yankees shortly
before he signed with the Mets stating that he'd go to the Bronx
for less dough than Flushing was offering?


It's been reported that Boras called the Yankees, though I don't think it was for less. In fact, I suspect it was for more, and I suspect had they ponied up he would've then called back the Mets again. You know, and negotiate.


Michael said differently on this afternoon's broadcast. Of
course, Kay lives in a reality that is known by few.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 07 2014 01:11 PM
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As I recall it, the story at the time, nine years ago, was that Boras did go to the Yankees and say he would sign for less than the Mets were offering.

Ceetar
Apr 07 2014 01:34 PM
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this is the source of the rumor (well, almost source I guess) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1963185

Through an unnamed, high-ranking baseball official, the Associated Press reported Boras proposed a $100 million, six-year contract for Beltran to the Yankees on Saturday night. While the Yankees told Boras they thought highly of Beltran, they turned down the offer because they didn't want to commit $140 million -- $100 million in salary and $40 million in luxury tax.


I can't find the original AP report, but my point remains that negotiating is negotiating. Even if true, and the Yankees liked that contract, no telling that Boras wouldn't have turned around and told the Mets "make it $130".

Plus it's the unnamed source, and no details. was it really 100/6? was there an option year? 3 option years? incentive bonuses? no no trade? (Astros had a competitive offer but wouldn't offer no-trade supposedly)

basically, fits the narrative, but there's really very little to go on.

metirish
Apr 07 2014 01:41 PM
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Fuck the MFY's and all belonging to them, fucking wankers

seawolf17
Apr 07 2014 02:01 PM
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metirish wrote:
Fuck the MFY's and all belonging to them, fucking wankers

yep.

themetfairy
Apr 07 2014 05:47 PM
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MFY's Can't Spell The Name Of Their New Free Agent

Frayed Knot
Apr 07 2014 07:06 PM
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So now we know the REAL reason they don't have names on the backs of their unis ... of course.

d'Kong76
Apr 07 2014 07:11 PM
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That's pretty funny!

Frayed Knot
Apr 08 2014 12:54 PM
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David Robertson to the DL (strained groin ... I assume his own) and some guy I never heard of called up to replace him.

Yanx are currently losing (in a VERY empty stadium - seems to me I heard that recently about the 2nd day of seasons) to the O's despite just powering themselves to their 2nd HR of the season (Soiano + Gardner: 1 each)
I think by their 8th game of the season time two years ago they had already hit 46 (although I may have to check my math on that). Yanx fans in that season were given to complaining about how the team was too HR dependent and how they preferred a squad that ran and bunted a lot. Well, here's their chance to see how they actually like that kind of team. And, as always, be careful what you wish for ...

Ceetar
Apr 08 2014 12:58 PM
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dinosaur jesus
Apr 08 2014 01:07 PM
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Ceetar wrote:







That was scored a base hit.

seawolf17
Apr 08 2014 01:41 PM
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Old Derek Jeter is old.

Nymr83
Apr 08 2014 01:51 PM
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Thats barely harder than a routine grounder. 29 starting shortstops make that play. then theres jeter.

Frayed Knot
Apr 08 2014 02:15 PM
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He missed one today going to his other side. A tougher play than that one, but still.
I think the only phrase used in MFY radiocasts more often that; "... just past a lunging Jeter", is the one where some version of "and this next pitch is sponsored by ..." is employed.

Centerfield
Apr 08 2014 02:23 PM
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Derek Jeter. Master of diving after the play.

Edgy MD
Apr 08 2014 02:47 PM
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That gif has me hypnotized. I could watch that all day. I would not need to eat. I would not need to sleep.

That makes me bad.

Nymr83
Apr 08 2014 03:30 PM
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Centerfield wrote:
Derek Jeter. Master of diving after the play.


Wow, yeah, i was really focusing on how late he was to the ball, but he completely dives after the fact and it doesnt look like he needed to. Showboat!

metsmarathon
Apr 08 2014 08:34 PM
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jeez, did he break his hip on that play? i hope he was wearing his lifecall pendant.

Ashie62
Apr 08 2014 08:37 PM
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I thought maybe he broke his ankle again or something...

Edgy MD
Apr 08 2014 08:44 PM
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How about all that "he wouldn't disgrace himself --- not like Willie Mays" garbage?

MFS62
Apr 08 2014 09:36 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
jeez, did he break his hip on that play?

No. He was cleared by his Gerontologist.

Later

Ceetar
Apr 10 2014 07:51 AM
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Only the Rangers, Padres, and Royals have hit less than the Yankees 5 HR (tied with MIN, MIA)

the Royals have only hit 1.

Frayed Knot
Apr 10 2014 11:05 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
Only the Rangers, Padres, and Royals have hit less than the Yankees 5 HR (tied with MIN, MIA)

the Royals have only hit 1.


With Kelly Johnson as the team leader (he has 2).

As I mentioned a few posts earlier, there are/were a number of YLDBs who claimed to want this kind of team, who craved more bunting and running while cursing the "over-dependance" on HRs over the last decade or so because it clashed with their fantasy about the Yanx being a team of scrappy underdogs.
I suspect that they won't sit at the bottom for long; McCann will wake up and start hitting that RF porch eventually, Teixeira's injuries aren't likely to be season long like they were last year, plus Beltran, Ellsbury, etc. But they're definitely going to find out if they like a reduced power team as much as they claim to because Cano & ARod aren't walking back into the clubhouse ... at least not THIS year (heh, heh).

Centerfield
Apr 10 2014 11:22 AM
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Didn't they used to have a centerfielder that hit 40 HR's? What happened to that guy?

Frayed Knot
Apr 10 2014 01:30 PM
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Didn't they used to have a centerfielder that hit 40 HR's? What happened to that guy?


He drank too much and eventually died of liver failure.

Ohh, you mean since Mantle?
Yeah, many Yanx fans weren't too happy w/Granderson by the end of his run there for much the same reason as already discussed: they were willing to give up the 108 HRs he hit over 3 seasons there in favor of more running and bunting, and often didn't realize that the low-ish batting averages were supplemented by close to 100 points of OBA every season.

MFS62
Apr 10 2014 01:41 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:

Yeah, many Yanx fans weren't too happy w/Granderson by the end of his run there for much the same reason as already discussed: they were willing to give up the 108 HRs he hit over 3 seasons there in favor of more running and bunting, and often didn't realize that the low-ish batting averages were supplemented by close to 100 points of OBA every season.

You can always tell a Yankee fan.
You just can't tell them too much.

Later

Edgy MD
Apr 11 2014 07:43 AM
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Hi, I'm Michael Pineda, and I just pitched my New York Yankees to big 4-1 win over the rival Red Sox, and I... HEY! Why's that camera pointing at my hand?! Get that guy out of here!!

[fimg=650]http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/michael-pineda-pine-tar-hand.jpg[/fimg]

[fimg=650]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1752921.1397181795!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/yankees.jpg[/fimg]



seawolf17
Apr 11 2014 09:11 AM
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True Yankee™.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 11 2014 10:45 AM
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seawolf17 wrote:
True Yankee™.


Looks like a little intangible Yankee mystique and aura applied to his hand. Awaiting the inevitable rationalizations from MFY faithful.

Frayed Knot
Apr 11 2014 10:59 AM
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Amazing how many shiny, sticky patches of "dirt" (the official explanation) get on pitchers these days. Also how at one point said dirt migrated from the heel of his right hand to the back of his wrist on his left side.
BoSox weren't about to say anything though, not with Clay Buccholz on the mound too last night after he got snagged with this stuff last year.

I didn't see any of the Yanx broadcast last night, but something makes me think that the eyesight of Kay et al wasn't too sharp. Sterling's either for that matter but we already know that poor eyesight is a pre-existing condition with him.

Ashie62
Apr 11 2014 03:58 PM
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The use of Pine Tar by pitchers in cold weather is common and accepted.. Better that than someone getting hit...

Frayed Knot
Apr 13 2014 05:34 PM
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The Venezuelan infielder Yangervis Solarte who's been filling in for the Yanx at several positions is Roger Cedeno's nephew and counts Edgardo Alfonzo as a mentor.



I'm gonna root against him anyway.

d'Kong76
Apr 13 2014 06:56 PM
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Ashie62 wrote:
The use of Pine Tar by pitchers in cold weather is common and accepted.. Better that than someone getting hit...


The press and MLB treat the Yanks like the Prez or
Royalty. That wasn't a little pine tar, he was heavily
coated.

If the cameras caught that shot on Valverde, for example,
would anyone really be surprised if they jumped all over it
like stick on sap?

MFS62
Apr 16 2014 06:34 AM
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This doesn't belong in a YLDB thread (do we have one for 2014?) because that would be disrespectful to the man.

But, REALLY?
Just because the Wilpons honor Jackie Robinson in their stadium, did the MFYs have to try do something really patronizing like this?
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/04/15/ ... stivities/

What's next, a statue of Rudi Guilliani? He's a fan of theirs, too.

Later

Frayed Knot
Apr 19 2014 07:09 AM
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The Yanx apparently have a LHP on their staff named Cesar Cabral ... yeah, me either, but maybe that's because he's made 12 ML appearances overall (8 last season, 4 this) and only managed to rack up 4-2/3 innings to date.

Anyway, he comes into last night's game in Tampa with two outs and the bases empty in the 8th (Rays up by 3) and promptly produced a line of:
Single
Wild Pitch
RBI Single
HBP
HBP
2 RBI Single
HBP

Final score: Rays 11 - Yanx 5 in a game where the Yanx initially jumped out to a 4-0 lead
It didn't salvage the night where we got no-hit for 7 by Aaron Freakin' Harang ... but it helped a bit.

Frayed Knot
Apr 20 2014 08:49 AM
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And as a follow-up to the above, Cabral was DFA'd the next day.

And now it appears that Yanx hurler Ivan Nova has a torn elbow ligament that will likely end his season.
The Rays had come into this current series with the Yanx having scored a total of just 14 runs over their previous nine games. They scored 11 & 16 in the last two games (the 16 was against Nova) so it's not like their pitching was in great shape to start with.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 20 2014 09:07 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
And as a follow-up to the above, Cabral was DFA'd the next day.

And now it appears that Yanx hurler Ivan Nova has a torn elbow ligament that will likely end his season.
The Rays had come into this current series with the Yanx having scored a total of just 14 runs over their previous nine games. They scored 11 & 16 in the last two games (the 16 was against Nova) so it's not like their pitching was in great shape to start with.


Luckily, Jeter will make everyone around him better!

Edgy MD
Apr 21 2014 08:42 AM
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And indeed Ivan Nova climbs aboard the Tommy John train. Did the Braves leave any leftover free agent starters out there in the marketplace? Jeff Karstens? Jason Marquis?

It's going to be Randy Wolf, isn't it?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 21 2014 08:43 AM
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Dbaggs signed Randy Wolf

Vic Sage
Apr 22 2014 08:44 AM
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The Nova injury was unfortunate; i was hoping he'd stay in their rotation and put up his usual replacement-level numbers, devouring them from within.

Ceetar
Apr 22 2014 08:53 AM
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Vic Sage wrote:
The Nova injury was unfortunate; i was hoping he'd stay in their rotation and put up his usual replacement-level numbers, devouring them from within.


Don't worry, the Yankees have the depth of a kiddie pool. I'm sure they'll find someone to put up sub-replacement level numbers for them.

Frayed Knot
Apr 22 2014 10:49 AM
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I'm just afraid of the next Aaron Small showing up out of somewhere.

Small was the journeyman 33 y/o RHP who had pitched for 5 teams over pieces of 8 seasons but appeared in only 8 ML games between 1998 & 2004. The Yanx signed him off the scrap heap in 2005 then brought him up in July due to pitching injuries (replaced CM Wang IIRC) where he proceeded to go 10-0 in 15 games/9 starts. He, and the almost as obscure Shawn Chacon (7-3; 2.85) saved that team's hide that year.

Small never won another ML game and retired after the following season.

Ceetar
Apr 22 2014 11:07 AM
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well, they have the right um...cocktail..in the locker room to help with stuff like that.

Frayed Knot
Apr 23 2014 05:51 PM
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This time Pineda thought he'd hide his pine tar stash on his neck ... but this time he was caught and ejected.


That boy just ain't right

d'Kong76
Apr 23 2014 06:43 PM
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It's a new cologne, Eau Du Pine!

Frayed Knot
Apr 23 2014 06:52 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

More like: Eau de Grab Some Pine

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 23 2014 06:55 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:



This time Pineda thought he'd hide his pine tar stash on his neck ... but this time he was caught and ejected.


That boy just ain't right


That's even better than getting away with it once. LOLYankees

metirish
Apr 23 2014 06:59 PM
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Great story , as Gary tells it the ump went out, touched Pineda's neck , looked at his finger and tossed him, hopefully in a very exaggerated motion.

Frayed Knot
Apr 23 2014 07:10 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
That's even better than getting away with it once. LOLYankees


That both times came against the same team in consecutive starts just adds to the dumpth factor.

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2014 07:13 PM
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Is he just so dependent on the stuff that the idea of laying off of it until the heat cleared wasn't an option?

Frayed Knot
Apr 23 2014 07:17 PM
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Maybe he felt that since Boston mgr Farrell gave him a pass last time on a windy and chilly day that doing it again would be no big deal.
But even with the dark stain on his dark skin being less obvious than it would be on, say, me, "hiding" that stuff on your neck when you're 6' 8" isn't exactly subtle.

Nymr83
Apr 23 2014 09:25 PM
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Didn't the YANKEE CHEATER have his own thread?

Edgy MD
Apr 23 2014 09:52 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Worth noting as well: Yankees lost the game to the last-place Red Sox.

Frayed Knot
Apr 24 2014 07:04 AM
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Nymr83 wrote:
Didn't the YANKEE CHEATER have his own thread?


Maybe, it's so hard to keep track.

Gotta like Sterling & Waldman's reaction, both of whom immediately went into: 'this is going to come back and bite the Red Sox' mode.
Not sure if they're expecting the payback somewhere down the road (certainly possible) or if they thought (hoped ... prayed?) that something was going to happen by the following inning.

Ceetar
Apr 24 2014 09:27 AM
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You know..I don't think Pineda actually violated rule 8.02.

You're allowed to put rosin (i.e. is a solid form of resin obtained from pines and some other plants ) on your hands, just not the ball.

Rule 8.02(a) Comment: If at any time the ball hits the rosin bag it is in play. In the case of rain or wet field, the umpire may instruct the pitcher to carry the rosin bag in his hip pocket. A pitcher may use the rosin bag for the purpose of applying rosin to his bare hand or hands. Neither the pitcher nor any other player shall dust the ball with the rosin bag; neither shall the pitcher nor any other player be permitted to apply rosin from the bag to his glove or dust any part of his uniform with the rosin bag.

You can put rosin/resin on your hands. Not on the ball, not on your glove. not on your uniform. But your neck? Doesn't say.

Edgy MD
Apr 24 2014 09:29 AM
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It implies a cheating intent. I think umps get leeway here.

Ceetar
Apr 24 2014 09:33 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
It implies a cheating intent. I think umps get leeway here.


Well sure. But even the comment doesn't explicitly say you can't have it on your skin. It's just interesting to me how weird the whole thing is. I mean, you have a bag of the stuff on the mound already.

I also don't like leaving anything up to umpire discretion. see also: check swing.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Apr 24 2014 01:13 PM
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Looks like Pineda gets 10 days for applying artificial Yankee Magic to his neck.

Frayed Knot
Apr 24 2014 01:14 PM
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10 game suspension for Pineda -- aka: he misses 1 start then delays his next start by one day.
Suspensions for starting pitchers often aren't as harsh as they sound.

metsmarathon
Apr 24 2014 03:39 PM
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Let me see if I understand properly what happened here. For all of baseball history from time immorial, if the picture is caught with rosin or pine tar on his hand or body he is labeled a dirty rotten cheater.

But now all of a sudden the Yankee pitcher uses pine tar on his body or hand and lo and behold we should change the rules. The rule is clearly wrong! It must be a bad rule if a Yankee is breaking it!

What am I missing?

Ceetar
Apr 24 2014 03:42 PM
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yeah, you really didn't get this "make it legal" push when other guys have gotten caught.

The "Didn't want to hit guys" argument is so stupid too.

Edgy MD
Apr 24 2014 04:21 PM
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Deadspin is all over the notion that baseball is wrong and crazy here. Weird cause to take up.

#FREEPINEDA

d'Kong76
Apr 25 2014 06:01 AM
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In case no one has heard, Pineda will not appeal the
suspension. I repeat, Pineda and the Yankees will not
appeal the suspension.

Frayed Knot
Apr 25 2014 06:37 AM
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In a continuation of the same cold, windy weather as seen all over the east coast this week, Thursday's game in Fenway featured 6 errors (5 by the Sox), 4 wild pitches, 1 passed ball, and 2 HBPs

SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T ALLOW PINE TAR?!?!!?
Michael Pineda is clearly a man looking out for the good of the game.

Ceetar
Apr 25 2014 07:35 AM
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Yankees are expected to win their 10000th game this season. Think anyone's enough of a historian to realize it? And will they make a big deal out of it?

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 25 2014 07:43 AM
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It wouldn't be at all like the Yankees to try to trumpet their own glory.

Edgy MD
Apr 25 2014 02:32 PM
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Dwight Gooden, not backing Pineda.

So how exactly does pine tar give pitchers an edge?

“It’s definitely used for movement,” the 1985 National League Cy Young Award winner told the radio duo. “It gives you a better grip to snap the curveball, makes it sharper than it would if you’re not using pine tar. Same thing with the slider, forkball (and) sinker as well, because it gives you a better grip. I know a lot’s been said about guys saying they use it to help them with control when the weather is cold.

“…That’s totally false. Professional pitchers, there’s a lot of ways you can (stay warm and maintain control) … It’s definitely used to get a sharper break on all your offspeed pitches, without a doubt.”

Ceetar
Apr 25 2014 02:38 PM
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Bobby Valentine


Pine tar? Rosin is the form of pine tar that does Not stay on the ball and does Not affect the flight of the ball!!


Cheat better? Lie better? I don't get it. Rule also says it needs to be on the ball!! Let's get it right!


Btw. The reason a bat can not have pine tar on the hitting surface, remember George Brett,


is the tar would be on the ball when hit and it becomes a dangerous situation

Frayed Knot
Apr 25 2014 03:40 PM
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The reason for the pine tar only part-way up the bat rule was so, back in the day when they used as few balls as possible per game, the normal hitting portion of the bat would be clean and therefore not dirty-up the ball when contact was made.
That's why the ump's decision in the Brett case was over-turned. Brett's bat was technically illegal but it was clear that there was no advantage nor attempt to gain an advantage as a result of what he did. Hence the ruling was that the negation of his HR and subsequent ejection (following that marvelous tirade) while technically correct, were judged to be against "the spirit" of the rule.

Fman99
Apr 25 2014 07:38 PM
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I didn't stain my underpants with shit. Not me. It's totally pine tar. It improved the grip on my 'roos.

G-Fafif
Apr 25 2014 11:14 PM
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Mets and MFYs have same 13-10 record, though I wouldn't use such a decrepit organization as a yardstick for our team's resurgence.

Benjamin Grimm
Apr 26 2014 04:34 AM
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One seventh of the way through the season, 13-10 projects to... 91 wins!

Frayed Knot
Apr 29 2014 08:28 PM
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There's something very heartwarming listening to YLDBs bemoaning a free agent who left for more money elsewhere.


oe: Fernando Rodney tried real hard to blow a four-run lead in the 9th, but had to settle for K-ing Jeter & Beltran as the tying run to end the game.
6-3 Seattle final.

MFS62
Apr 30 2014 06:02 AM
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Waitaminit!
Michael Pineda was injured while pitching in an extended spring training game in Florida????
Isn't he on suspension for that pine tar thingie?
Is he allowed to participate in a team organized practice?

Are any of the reporters who follow the team wondering about this?

Later

Frayed Knot
Apr 30 2014 06:32 AM
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Under suspension you ARE allowed to participate in team activities so long as it's not a regularly scheduled game in some sort of league. IOW, nothing that goes on in front of paying customers.

--- I'm sure that's not the official wording of the rule but that's more or less the gist of it. 'Extended Spring Training' is essentially a bunch of intra-team scrimmages.

Nymr83
Apr 30 2014 08:26 AM
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The entire AL East has a negative run differential. Yankees are the only team above. 500 and apparently feasting on their suddenly weak division.

Frayed Knot
Apr 30 2014 09:33 AM
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Mainly the division is simply beating up on each other. Yanx are 5-2 vs Boston but not dominating any other East team.

Hard to project too much on RS/RA this early. The Yanx +/- despite its winning record is largely skewed by losses of 16-1 and 13-1

Edgy MD
Apr 30 2014 09:57 AM
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I'm not sure that's really a skewing. I think a few 13-1 losses that would be 7-1 if not for the last two guys in your bullpen being suckers may just mean "a loss is a loss" in the short term, but possibly may meaningful data could project a real weakness over 162 games.

Frayed Knot
Apr 30 2014 11:31 AM
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I don't think this year's Yanx have the same severe good/bad split that the late '90s teams consistently had which led to the occasional blowout on those days when a poor start by a starter or a heavy recent pen workload gave Torre the urge to rest his high-priced arms. The MFY teams of that era out-performed their pythagorean projections consistently for years and I thought the pen set-up had a lot to do with it.
But this current MFY pen seems neither as good or as bad at the extremes and so I expect that this year's rather extreme "over-achievement" [.577 winning pct while allowing 10% more RA than RS (110/121)] is more likely the result of a small sample size skewed by the two large blowouts.

At least I'm hoping it is because I'd hate like hell to see them keep it up after doing this all of last year too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Apr 30 2014 11:36 AM
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Fans really booed Cano last night. Quite a statement from fans of Ellsbury and McCann.

MFS62
Apr 30 2014 03:26 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Under suspension you ARE allowed to participate in team activities so long as it's not a regularly scheduled game in some sort of league. IOW, nothing that goes on in front of paying customers.

--- I'm sure that's not the official wording of the rule but that's more or less the gist of it. 'Extended Spring Training' is essentially a bunch of intra-team scrimmages.

So, what if A-Rod practiced at an MFY extended Spring Training session. Isn't he under suspension?
Or is there a difference among suspensions?
Not trying to be argumentative. Just checking out the fine print.

Later

Frayed Knot
Apr 30 2014 03:34 PM
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I assume that ARod could work out w/the Yanx at their Tampa facility, BUT
1) they probably don't want him there. They said as much back when he made noises about coming to spring training and I doubt they'd be any more anxious to see him now
2) what good would it do? It's not a 17-year veteran is going to get much out of playing simulated games with teenagers or verse-vica.

Extended ST is geared toward either young players not ready for league play or injured vets on rehab.
I could definitely hear a Yanqui exec saying: 'You wanna stay in shape rich boy? Then go hire a trainer and stay the fuck out of our hair and away from our kids'

MFS62
Apr 30 2014 03:42 PM
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No special consideration being given.
Thanks.
Later

Edgy MD
May 02 2014 08:11 AM
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Tino Martinez, following in the illustrious line of Bobby Kennedy, Seamus Heaney, and Willie Randolph, invited to give the commencement address at Fordham.

Derek Dietrich and Casey Kotchman apparently not on the selection committee.

d'Kong76
May 02 2014 08:24 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Tino Martinez, following in the illustrious line of Bobby Kennedy, Seamus Heaney, and Willie Randolph, invited to give the commencement address at Fordham.

Following the ceremony, the Yankees will retire his number.

Mets Guy in Michigan
May 02 2014 08:55 AM
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But Armando Benitez will drill him with a diploma right between the numbers!

Frayed Knot
May 03 2014 08:10 AM
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Only the Rangers, Padres, and Royals have hit less than the Yankees 5 HR (tied with MIN, MIA)

the Royals have only hit 1.


With Kelly Johnson as the team leader (he has 2).

As I mentioned a few posts earlier, there are/were a number of YLDBs who claimed to want this kind of team, who craved more bunting and running while cursing the "over-dependance" on HRs over the last decade or so because it clashed with their fantasy about the Yanx being a team of scrappy underdogs.
I suspect that they won't sit at the bottom for long; McCann will wake up and start hitting that RF porch eventually, Teixeira's injuries aren't likely to be season long like they were last year, plus Beltran, Ellsbury, etc. But they're definitely going to find out if they like a reduced power team as much as they claim to because Cano & ARod aren't walking back into the clubhouse ... at least not THIS year (heh, heh).



The above two posts were from this thread back on April 10th.
Since that point the Yanx have morphed mostly back to their old ways and, while still below the league leaders in HRs, are now above league average and have caught up or passed many teams since that slow start.

Which was why last night's game was so much fun as it was a perfect example of what's driven their fans nuts in recent years. They wound up losing 10-5 to Tampa in 14 innings (5 hours 49 minutes btw) with 4 of their 5 runs coming via HRs (1 2R HR + 2 solos) including back-to-backs w/2 outs in the 8th to tie the game.
But then in extras they were leaving runners on all over the place (mostly against big-butted Heath Bell): 2 in the 11th, 2 more in the 12th, loaded in the 13th that one courtesy of a Derek '0-fer-7' Jeter come-backer) without ever being able to get the walk-off hit. Tampa even spent much of that time trying to hand them the game (errors, botched run-downs, etc.) but they wound up 1-13 w/RiSP
The Rays finally put up a 5-spot in the 14th and the Yanx was dead.

d'Kong76
May 03 2014 12:30 PM
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The booth is funny ... on McCann they are explaining how there
is always an adjustment period when joining the Yankees.

I know I would have trouble pooping on a platinum toilet seat.

Frayed Knot
May 06 2014 06:49 AM
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Tough to decide which team had the worse bullpen night. Probably the Mets because they blew a lead, plus the Yanx had the decency to do so at 1AM EDT so there were fewer NY eyeballs watching.
But that doesn't mean theirs was easy to swallow for a fan.

Tied at one in the 8th in Anaheim last night, Yanx set-up man Shawn Kelly walks Collin Cowgill to start the inning, but then does the heavy lifting by retiring Aybar & Trout
So with Cowgill on 2nd and 2 outs they IBB Pujols - a logical enough move.
Problem was that Kelly followed that up with a walk to Ibanez loading the bases, then a walk to Kendrick (Howie not Anna) forcing in a run.
Out goes Kelly (literally, he got tossed for arguing) and in comes LOOGY Matt Thorton - who quickly walked the light-hitting John McDonald (PH-ing) to force in another run
Out goes Thorton and in comes Preston Clairborn (no really, that's his name ... and he's a baseball player not a hairdresser) who promptly walks Chris Ianetta and it's 3 runs for the Angels without a hit

Final score: Angels 4 (on just 4 hits) - Yanx 1

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 06 2014 06:57 AM
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"Preston Clairborn" is the securities broker at your tennis club who cheats at line calls and insists on "air drying" in the locker room.

"Vidal Nuno"-- now there's a hairdresser name.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 06 2014 07:03 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Tough to decide which team had the worse bullpen night. Probably the Mets because they blew a lead, plus the Yanx had the decency to do so at 1AM EDT so there were fewer NY eyeballs watching.
But that doesn't mean theirs was easy to swallow for a fan.

Tied at one in the 8th in Anaheim last night, Yanx set-up man Shawn Kelly walks Collin Cowgill to start the inning, but then does the heavy lifting by retiring Aybar & Trout
So with Cowgill on 2nd and 2 outs they IBB Pujols - a logical enough move.
Problem was that Kelly followed that up with a walk to Ibanez loading the bases, then a walk to Kendrick (Howie not Anna) forcing in a run.
Out goes Kelly (literally, he got tossed for arguing) and in comes LOOGY Matt Thorton - who quickly walked the light-hitting John McDonald (PH-ing) to force in another run
Out goes Thorton and in comes Preston Clairborn (no really, that's his name ... and he's a baseball player not a hairdresser) who promptly walks Chris Ianetta and it's 3 runs for the Angels without a hit

Final score: Angels 4 (on just 4 hits) - Yanx 1


Even better than that was the fact that the MFYs loaded the bases with nobody out in the top of that inning, only to be held scoreless when Gardner whiffed (Girardi tossed for a huge fit arguing a call in that AB) and a Jeter DP. Weaver came off the mound as though he'd been possessed by Francisco Cervelli.

Not for nothing, but the MFYs suck.

Frayed Knot
May 06 2014 07:11 AM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Not for nothing, but the MFYs suck.


Which is why it's annoying that they're still a game over .500 and tied for 1st place despite a negative 19 run differential.
You figure that'll catch up to them eventually but I kept thinking that last year too but it never did [their 85-77 record "should have been" 79-83 on account of a -21 RS/RA]

Edgy MD
May 06 2014 08:02 AM
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.250 / .318 / .290 // .608

And the Rey Ordóñez farewell tour continues.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 06 2014 08:05 AM
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Beltran OBP .288
Granderson OBP .288

Edgy MD
May 06 2014 08:13 AM
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I was thinking there should be a Beltran Bunch thread, but it's really just the two of them: Belty and Grandy. No other peer contracts.

Frayed Knot
May 06 2014 08:47 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
.250 / .318 / .290 // .608

And the Rey Ordóñez farewell tour continues.


And that's off of 2 hits last night (including a rare double)

This situation bears watching as the season progresses and maybe sooner than that.

The Yanx have essentially been going without a backup SS since they've been playing a man short (they're One Player Short!!) during the Pineda suspension. But with that due to end this week and Pineda on the shelf injured, glove-man Brendan Ryan is the likely man in. Now Ryan can't hit at all but if you're going to get a 600-ish OPS at that position anyway you might as well get superior defense out there rather than the decaying carcass of Derek Jeter. The question is how often he'll opt to do that and/or pull El Capitan late in games for defense.
Girardi certainly didn't show Posada a lot of deference at the tail end of his career what with first hiding his catching equipment and eventually shoving him to the bottom 1/3 of the lineup (although reportedly those two were never warm and fuzzy even when they played together). Jeter, so far, has lost his #2 spot but how long can that continue without a rebound?

Edgy MD
May 07 2014 07:29 AM
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Amazin' how people still call Mariano Rivera the classiest guy to ever class up a classy classics department, even as he emerges from retirement to throw a former teammate (and alleged friend) under the bus --- for no reason other than to sell a few books, I guess.

The unknowable Robinson Cano’s “heart is still” in New York, but this divorce with the Yankees has gotten really weird
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, May 7, 2014, 8:54 AM
Andy Martino


Between enduring weirdly vicious spurts of booing during his return to Yankee Stadium last week, Robinson Cano had the chance to reconnect with some old friends in the organization, people to whom he reveals more of himself than he ever does to the public.

“His heart is still here,” says one person who had the chance to catch up with Cano in New York.

We never get to see these thoughts and feelings from the opaque superstar, who is now rendered even less knowable by 10pm Eastern start times and his decision to join a franchise that barely seems to exist. But his departure from the Yankees has become strange, a referendum on the heart and guts of a man. Cano arrived in the big leagues with limited English skills, so it is not fair to just call him quiet, and leave it at that -- but even after working to learn the language, he shared little.

In the absence of information, we speculate, argue, boo, defend -- everything but actually understand this man who is now gone.

The latest flare-up in this divorce between player and city began with an unlikely instigator, Mariano Rivera. In his new memoir, The Closer (written with the great Wayne Coffey and excerpted Tuesday in the Daily News), Rivera said:

“This guy has so much talent I don’t know where to start... There is no doubt that he is a Hall-of-Fame caliber (player). It’s just a question of whether he finds the drive you need to get there. I don’t think Robby burns to be the best... You don’t see that red-hot passion in him that you see in most elite players.”

Well. You appreciate Rivera’s candor, far preferable to canned compliments. If he believed this, he was right to say it, rather than add another layer of B.S. to a sports world full of it. But you also feel for Cano, who has to be wondering why, after playing 160 or so games every year under a relatively team-friendly contract, he continues to find himself in moments like this.

You’ll recall that another Daily News scoundrel, John Harper, wrote the column of the spring this year, giving Yankees hitting coach Kevin Long the opportunity to critique Cano’s vexing decision to run to first base at reduced speeds.

“If somebody told me I was a dog,’’ Long told Harper, “I’d have to fix that. When you choose not to, you leave yourself open to taking heat, and that’s your fault. For whatever reason, Robbie chose not to.’’

I was at Mariners camp in Peoria, Ariz. when this blew up, and asked Cano the first question about it. He was sitting at a table in a news conference room at the team’s complex, probably wishing for an easy, softball, “Welcome to your new team,” sort of Q and A, and instead dealing with the troubling animal comparison.

“Robbie, Kevin Long --”

At the first three words of the question, Cano stiffened, sitting taller in his chair. More amateur psychologizing, which is all we can do in reading this man: He looked pissed.
But then he interrupted with a calm, mature and final response. “I don’t even pay attention to that,” Cano said. “I just want to talk about Seattle. I’m here now.

Whatever they said, I’m not going to pay attention to that.”

Nor did he seize an opportunity to defend himself last week, when faced with the dumbest fan behavior in recent New York memory. The myopia of a Yankee partisan criticizing anyone for jumping to the highest bidder was thoroughly chronicled after it happened, so we won’t digress here. But none of the heat came from Cano, who instead proved adept at deflecting controversy, and preventing the story from advancing.

And yesterday, with Rivera’s comments bouncing all over talk radio and TV, Cano again refused to engage. His measured, classy response to reporters before the Mariners’ game in Oakland was:

“Everybody has a different opinion. That’s his opinion and I have to respect his opinion. I’m not going to go too far into this. That’s the only thing that I can say. My focus right now is this team. I’m here, we’re winning. I was over there already and now I’m here and now I’m focused on the team. I’m going to be excited for my teammates.”

We know little about Robinson Cano, and that will not change. But we now know that when under duress, he prefers to keep his interior life private, or at least among friends. We know that he is able to muster composure and -- well, it’s not grace exactly, because there is awkwardness, but it is at least restraint. We know he is savvy enough to diffuse, rather than inflame.

And that’s about it. Cano is a filthy rich Seattleite now, a few years from beginning a quiet physical decline, with the country’s attention elsewhere. The story is almost over, and we hardly learned anything.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseba ... z312GO24pw


First of all: "...his decision to join a franchise that barely seems to exist." How pathetic. If New Yorkers are scarcely able to imagine life in other US cities, doesn't that make them the provincial ones?

Second of all: "Well. You appreciate Rivera’s candor, far preferable to canned compliments. If he believed this, he was right to say it, rather than add another layer of B.S. to a sports world full of it."

No, it would have been candor if he said it while the two were teammates and there was an actual risk. With Cano in another uniform and Rivera sipping cocktails at 3:30, it's, well, "small" is the best word for it I can come up with. Real small.

Third of all: Cano isn't being enigmatic when he doesn't take the bait and dive into your back page war of words, he's taking the high road. At least, that's what you'd have written if Rivera if that's what he did.

seawolf17
May 07 2014 07:37 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Amazin' how people still call Mariano Rivera the classiest guy to ever class up a classy classics department, even as he emerges from retirement to throw a former teammate (and alleged friend) under the bus --- for no reason other than to sell a few books, I guess.


Better that then throwing him into the pool, I suppose.

Robinson Cano played every game for seven years for the Yankees, with a 128 OPS+. Now he's a dog? FUCK THAT. God, I hate that fucking team and everything about them.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2014 07:55 AM
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Some may recall that when Scott Brosius announced his retirement--during the off-season, not long after the 2001 WS loss to the DBacks--it took all of about 20 minutes for Rivera (and I believe Torre) to suddenly chime in with 'fact' that ol' Scotty B let them down by not turning a double play on the second of the two bunts* the Snakes put down in that infamous 9th inning.
Now maybe that's accurate and maybe it's not (tape doesn't prove things one way or the other) but the fact that it was open season for criticism the second he was no longer part of the tribe seemed kind of ... what's the word I'm looking for? - oh yeah, Classless.

It's also kind of funny/classless that YES announcers have suddenly "discovered" that Cano didn't/doesn't hustle. Yeah, he didn't do it for eight years while in the Bronx but that was scarcely mentioned at the time.




* to recap: leadoff single was followed by the bunt on which MR made the throwing error putting runners on 1st & 2nd w/0 outs. The next batter, Jay Bell, also bunted but Rivera was able to throw to 3rd for the force. Rivera then felt free to say (but only after Brosius's announcement) that after throwing to 3rd he turned towards 1st expecting to see a throw whiz across the infield to get the batter - but a throw never came, Brosius simply got the force and called for time therefore dooming the entire inning/season.

Edgy MD
May 07 2014 08:37 AM
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* to recap: leadoff single was followed by the bunt on which MR made the throwing error putting runners on 1st & 2nd w/0 outs. The next batter, Jay Bell, also bunted but Rivera was able to throw to 3rd for the force. Rivera then felt free to say (but only after Brosius's announcement) that after throwing to 3rd he turned towards 1st expecting to see a throw whiz across the infield to get the batter - but a throw never came, Brosius simply got the force and called for time therefore dooming the entire inning/season.

You know, we have these text-editing tools for a reason.

Ceetar
May 07 2014 08:38 AM
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Mr. Automatic.

Frayed Knot
May 07 2014 09:22 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
You know, we have these text-editing tools for a reason.


I have no idea what this means

Edgy MD
May 07 2014 09:27 AM
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It's just a joke pointing out the inflation of the text that I did.

I'm sorry if my meaning was too elusive, but why do people online keep saying "no idea"? Surely you have some idea. It's a sentence --- with a subject, predicate, object... .

Frayed Knot
May 07 2014 03:35 PM
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The only reason I said that I had no idea what you meant because I had no idea what you meant.

Edgy MD
May 07 2014 08:32 PM
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Way to double down on the completely un-necessary condescension.

It was a joke. One underscoring what you were saying. Surely you could at least try to be cool about that.

Mets Guy in Michigan
May 07 2014 08:44 PM
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Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio this morning took a slight pause from their NFL draft talk this morning for a Q and A segment, and the Q was whether the MYs should bench Jeter.

The Mikes were unanimous with emphatic "No!"

Golic added something stupid like, "This is why Jeter was smart to announce his retirement in the spring so the team didn't have to deal with such questions all summer."

Huh?

Frayed Knot
May 07 2014 09:45 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Way to double down on the completely un-necessary condescension.

It was a joke. One underscoring what you were saying. Surely you could at least try to be cool about that.



Yes, I understand NOW what it meant but I originally didn't know what it meant which is why I said that I didn't know what it meant.
And the only reason I 'doubled down' on it was your implication that I really did know what it meant and was for some reason only saying I didn't know what it meant.
You know what I mean?

d'Kong76
May 09 2014 07:50 AM
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#6 to be retired in August ... they're gonna run out of #'s

Ceetar
May 09 2014 07:57 AM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
#6 to be retired in August ... they're gonna run out of #'s


Somebody down the line, maybe 20 years from now, will start rumbling about unretiring the numbers. It'll probably be about some phenom prospect type who they think would do more honor the the number more by wearing it or something.

Benjamin Grimm
May 09 2014 08:24 AM
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I doubt that, but there may come a time when they have to go to three-digit numbers, or perhaps, to binary numbers if they want to keep it at two characters.

You can see players wearing numbers like 6E or B2.

MFS62
May 09 2014 08:31 AM
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metsguyinmichigan wrote:
Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio this morning took a slight pause from their NFL draft talk this morning for a Q and A segment, and the Q was whether the MYs should bench Jeter.

The Mikes were unanimous with emphatic "No!"

Golic added something stupid like, "This is why Jeter was smart to announce his retirement in the spring so the team didn't have to deal with such questions all summer."

Huh?

I don't want him to be benched because I want him to suffer the humiliation of an entire terrible season.
Later

d'Kong76
May 09 2014 08:32 AM
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Scoring an E6 on E6 would be kinda fun!

Ceetar
May 09 2014 08:37 AM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
Scoring an E6 on E6 would be kinda fun!


I wonder what the most likely alphanumeric uniform numbers would be. Would you have to include a number or could you just be "A"? Would single letters be the highly coveted? or would the A5, A1 etc be?

If someone wears A1 you pretty much gotta nickname him 'sauce' right?

MFS62
May 09 2014 08:47 AM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
Scoring an E6 on E6 would be kinda fun!

Speaking of that - the other night, Jeter clanked a one hop grounder right at him. It took seemingly forever for the scorer to rule it an E-6. He must have been scouring the rule book to find a way to award the batter a hit, then reluctantly declared it an error.

Later

Frayed Knot
May 11 2014 01:57 PM
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Well, we won't C see-see this week (or is that see C. C.?) - to the DL for "inflammation of the knee".

Frayed Knot
May 19 2014 01:54 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Well, we won't C see-see this week (or is that see C. C.?) - to the DL for "inflammation of the knee".


Current thinking has it being at least July before the Yanx see Cee Cee
"No sooner than six weeks from now" sez Cashman (June 30 if taken literally) but even with the best case scenario of early July essentially means post-ASB for a rest and recoop type of injury.

Frayed Knot
Jun 01 2014 07:45 PM
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Was out all day so am just catching up to game results now.
So what was better in the Yanx game today, that Phil Hughes* shut them down to 2 runs on 3 hits over 8 innings, or that Robertson didn't just blow a 1-run save but did so in a way that led to a 6-run 9th (5 after 2 were out) for the Twins?
Twins took two-of-three from the Yanx in the Bronx for what I believe was the first time since like the Carter administration.




* Hughes having himself a very nice year btw

MFS62
Jun 03 2014 05:43 AM
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The CAPTAIN? (gasp)
http://news.yahoo.com/jeters-mental-lap ... --spt.html

Later

Ceetar
Jun 03 2014 07:19 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
The CAPTAIN? (gasp)
http://news.yahoo.com/jeters-mental-lap ... --spt.html

Later


What the lame-duck SS who is spending the season being lauded and celebrated and talking about getting into ownership didn't have his head in the game? I'm shocked.

Edgy MD
Jun 03 2014 07:31 AM
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Interviewer: That must've been embarrassing.

Jeter: Oh, sure. I'm just glad it happened on the road. It would have been really mortifying in front of the home crowd.

Interviewer: Derek, it did happen at home?

Jeter: Wait... seriously? Oh, check it out. White uniform. Damn.

Centerfield
Jun 03 2014 07:38 AM
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Wow, a mental mistake by Jeter. That is rare indeed. I can't even remember the last time that happened.

Wait, what are you saying? Last Friday? Impossible!

http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/201 ... stake.html

Edgy MD
Jun 03 2014 07:41 AM
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That game report also includes this delicious line:

It was the last time a Yankee would reach third base.

Mets – Willets Point
Jun 03 2014 09:07 PM
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What the hell is wrong with the umpiring crew? Jeter said it was foul. So it was foul!

Frayed Knot
Jun 04 2014 09:44 PM
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Yanx blew an early 4-0 lead to fall back to .500 tonight at 29-29 (first time since 19-19) and their record is lucky to be that good considering their [u:pfet8bcj]-29[/u:pfet8bcj] run differential.
That -29 is 8 runs worse than it was at the end of last season when their 85-77 record was 6 full games better than the Pythagorean projection.

MFS62
Jun 05 2014 12:13 PM
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Got in the car and turned on the radio.
The MFY pre-game show was on. Suzyn was saying that they held a ceremony before the game and honored several veterans who had participated in D-Day. That was because D-Day was "50 years ago, on June 5, 1944".
Honest, she said that.
June 5th.

Suzyn, how did you not know that D-Day was June 6th, 1944?

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 05 2014 12:16 PM
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Thinking that D-Day was on June 5 isn't as bad as thinking that 1944 was 50 years ago.

MFS62
Jun 05 2014 12:22 PM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
Thinking that D-Day was on June 5 isn't as bad as thinking that 1944 was 50 years ago.

Good catch. They one slipped right by. :)

Later

MFS62
Jun 12 2014 06:46 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 12 2014 06:49 AM

The Yanks are going to hold a Tino Martinez Day, and put up a plaque in his honor. Here are his stats:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... ti02.shtml

Do they have one for Bill Skowron?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... bi01.shtml

I doubt it. Yet he played on lots of World Championships, too, played more years, and had a higher OBS+.
Its the ESPN mentality. Unless something happened while they were in business, it didn't happen.

How soon they forget.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 12 2014 06:48 AM
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The people who were around during Bill Skowron's generation could have given him a plaque, but didn't.

MFS62
Jun 12 2014 07:07 AM
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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
The people who were around during Bill Skowron's generation could have given him a plaque, but didn't.

Plaques and monuments were reserved for the truly greats in the history of the team.

But now that a player like Tino is getting one, it is cheapening the honor. I just used Moose for comparison purposes. He shouldn't get one, either.

Later

Vic Sage
Jun 12 2014 02:17 PM
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They should give them ALL plaques; Tino, O'Neill, Oscar Gamble, all of them. every single guy who ever donned the pinstripes, no matter how unexceptional, should have a lasting tribute to their unspectacularity put up on a wall somewhere. So archeologists can have a good laugh some day.

Ceetar
Jun 12 2014 02:24 PM
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Vic Sage wrote:
They should give them ALL plaques; Tino, O'Neill, Oscar Gamble, all of them. every single guy who ever donned the pinstripes, no matter how unexceptional, should have a lasting tribute to their unspectacularity put up on a wall somewhere. So archeologists can have a good laugh some day.


except A-Rod.

Edgy MD
Jun 12 2014 02:25 PM
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ESPECIALLY A-Rod.

I'm not sure what a plaque means (equivalent of Yankee Hall of Fame?), but Martinez isn't even in the top 50 position players in terms of WAR for the Yankees.

By the way, number eight on that list? Willie the Winner.

metsmarathon
Jun 12 2014 02:40 PM
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oh, c'mon. his 16.6 yankee WAR is more than lenny dykstra's 16.5 metly WAR. that's the stuff of legends right there.

MFS62
Jun 12 2014 02:46 PM
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metsmarathon wrote:
oh, c'mon. his 16.6 yankee WAR is more than lenny dykstra's 16.5 metly WAR. that's the stuff of legends right there.

Close. Were they on the same dosage?
Later

seawolf17
Jun 12 2014 08:30 PM
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I posted this on a MFY friend's FB wall when this was first announced, incredulous, and he actually agreed with me on how bizarre it was for Tino and Paul O'Neill to be honored.

Mets – Willets Point
Jun 13 2014 11:01 AM
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Your problem is that you're measuring in WAR, not in TY (True Yankeeness), a metric that takes into account all the intangibles that Martinez and O'Neill brought to the team.

Frayed Knot
Jun 13 2014 11:27 AM
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Both WAR and the TY index ignore that most Yanx fans HATED the acquisitions of both O'Neill & Tino at the time ... but one shouldn't go muddying the waters with too many facts when it comes to these things.

Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2014 03:04 PM
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Yanx lose again this afternoon. That's [u:36eb77se]Five straight[/u:36eb77se] after this sweep courtesy of the suddenly hot (7 wins in last 8) Rays and following losses in the last two games of the weekend to Boston.
And what this does is drop them below .500 (about time since they've got a nearly 40 RS/RA deficit this year) for the first time this season since being 5-6

The bigger question is: I wonder when was the last time they were at sub-.500 in the 2nd half of a season?
They've had some bad starts before even in some of their dominant years (the year Zimmer had to fill in for Torre comes to mind) but eventually righted the ship before too long meaning that we may have to go back to the early '90s to find them under the midpoint past July 1st

I'm sure one of the writers will be on this by tomorrow - and if I get the time and inclination I just may look it up myself because, yeah, if I can dig up that kind of shit I'm just the type of guy who'll get down and roll around in it for a while.

d'Kong76
Jul 02 2014 06:19 PM
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There are 'reports' that Alex Rodriguez was given
permission by MLB to take steroids.

Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2014 07:07 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
There are 'reports' that Alex Rodriguez was given
permission by MLB to take steroids.


That claim is supposedly put forth in an upcoming book: BLOOD SPORT: Alex Rodriguez, Biogenesis, and the Quest to End Baseball's Steroid Era -- Tim Elfrink & Gus Garcia-Roberts, due out next week.

Don't know if these authors are pro (paid by?) one side or the other or if they claim to be objective reporters.

Frayed Knot
Jul 02 2014 07:12 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
The bigger question is: I wonder when was the last time they were at sub-.500 in the 2nd half of a season?
They've had some bad starts before even in some of their dominant years (the year Zimmer had to fill in for Torre comes to mind) but eventually righted the ship before too long meaning that we may have to go back to the early '90s to find them under the midpoint past July 1st


The only report I've read so far says that this is the latest in the season they've been under .500 during the Girardi era - but I'm sure it goes back much further than that.

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2014 06:56 AM
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The bigger question is: I wonder when was the last time they were at sub-.500 in the 2nd half of a season?
They've had some bad starts before even in some of their dominant years (the year Zimmer had to fill in for Torre comes to mind) but eventually righted the ship before too long meaning that we may have to go back to the early '90s to find them under the midpoint past July 1st


The only report I've read so far says that this is the latest in the season they've been under .500 during the Girardi era - but I'm sure it goes back much further than that.


And the answer about when the last time the New York Yanquis were below .500 after July 1st turns out to be ... ... when they were 42-43 after losing in extra innings to the Blue Jays on 7/7/07 (not so lucky a day after all, eh?)

Funny that I don't remember them struggling so much in the 1st half of that season [9-14 in April, 13-15 in May despite Mussina, Pettitte, Clemens, CM Wang (the good version) a still-good Posada, Jeter, Cano, ARod, Matsui, and the arrival of a savior named Joba] in what would turns out to be Torre's final season. Of course they then went on to go 56-28 over the 2nd half finishing 94 wins and the Wild Card (before a 1st round loss to Cleveland).

Prior to that we need to go all the way back to when they were 60-61 on 9/5/95 - before going on to finish 19-5 and win the first ever AL Wild Card

Ceetar
Jul 03 2014 07:10 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
There are 'reports' that Alex Rodriguez was given
permission by MLB to take steroids.


That claim is supposedly put forth in an upcoming book: BLOOD SPORT: Alex Rodriguez, Biogenesis, and the Quest to End Baseball's Steroid Era -- Tim Elfrink & Gus Garcia-Roberts, due out next week.

Don't know if these authors are pro (paid by?) one side or the other or if they claim to be objective reporters.


I read the excerpt someone quoted. It seems legit and all. Very few people get the exemptions for non-Adderall substances, but a handful do every year it seems, A-Rod being one of those, though it's hard to believe the testosterone deficiency wasn't caused by previous steroid use, which is usually not enough to get an exemption according to the book.

I'm sure the rest of the book goes into it more but the bigger 'issue' I'd think is that Biogenesis was completely confident they could beat the testing system, and that they DID beat the testing system. That hadn't occurred to me previously, which probably should've been the bigger issue all along. not that A-Rod and others were taking stuff, that it was clearly very very possible to take stuff and not get caught.

That's one clinic. One network. How many others are there around the world? What's everyone else taking? The biggest failing of Jeter as captain is not making sure to hook up A-Rod with the more discrete guys.

It's all a joke. This is like putting those stupid useless scanners in airports under the guise of security (or the impending torture MLB plans to add to stadium entry next year). Adds nothing, is all for show.

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2014 12:00 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
... but the bigger 'issue' I'd think is that Biogenesis was completely confident they could beat the testing system, and that they DID beat the testing system. That hadn't occurred to me previously, which probably should've been the bigger issue all along. not that A-Rod and others were taking stuff, that it was clearly very very possible to take stuff and not get caught.


Well, some of them DID get caught.
When the Biogenisis papers got released and named names, several of those names (including Colon) had already been nabbed by the testing process. Others were caught only via the paperwork.
And this whole testing process is always going to be a game of cat and mouse. I don't believe that makes the testing system a joke, just not perfect.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2014 12:07 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
It's all a joke. This is like putting those stupid useless scanners in airports under the guise of security (or the impending torture MLB plans to add to stadium entry next year). Adds nothing, is all for show.

I'm going to say it's not particularly like that at all.

The weird thing about folks criticizing the anti-steroids regime of MLB is that you can find folks citing both players getting caught and players not getting caught as evidence the system isn't working.

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2014 12:09 PM
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One of the players who helped keep the Yanx afloat, particularly in the absence of ARod, was the surprise early season performance of Yangervis Solarte.
He became a bit of a presence on the prospect boards too with YLDBs pestering the editors about why Solarte wasn't landing higher on the various prospect lists. The replies were that he's 26 y/o (27 next week) journeyman with not much positional value who had shown nothing in the minors that showed he was capable of sustaining his initial success.

And, indeed, after hitting ~.300/.370/.460 (17 XBH) in April & May, he crashed to around .150/.280/.200 (3 2Bs) in June/July leading to a demotion to the minors as of today.

Ceetar
Jul 03 2014 12:28 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
... but the bigger 'issue' I'd think is that Biogenesis was completely confident they could beat the testing system, and that they DID beat the testing system. That hadn't occurred to me previously, which probably should've been the bigger issue all along. not that A-Rod and others were taking stuff, that it was clearly very very possible to take stuff and not get caught.


Well, some of them DID get caught.
When the Biogenisis papers got released and named names, several of those names (including Colon) had already been nabbed by the testing process. Others were caught only via the paperwork.
And this whole testing process is always going to be a game of cat and mouse. I don't believe that makes the testing system a joke, just not perfect.


ahh, I never realized there were caught by the testing process too. Sometimes they play that stuff fairly close to the chest for best interest. (not suspending them until the did they went through the paper trails too) I never understood why they don't suspend a guy immediately upon failed test. This was previous CBA now, but remember Mota failed his test late in 2006 and they didn't suspend him until the offseason.

Still, A-Rod did not fail a test, and Bosch told him "You won't fail a test".

Baseball really doesn't care at all about what their players are using, just that they look like they care.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2014 12:31 PM
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Disagree.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2014 01:38 PM
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And Alfredo Aceves gets a 50-game suspension from the league for drug use --- or so the league can look like they care.

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2014 01:49 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
ahh, I never realized there were caught by the testing process too.


Some of those named in the Biogenesis records were, others were not.



" Sometimes they play that stuff fairly close to the chest for best interest. (not suspending them until the did they went through the paper trails too)"
-- That's not what happened. Those who were caught via testing were suspended then. Those who were caught via leaked paper trails were suspended after the processing of that evidence came out. Those named in Biogenesis who were previously suspended because of testing did not receive a second suspension.



"I never understood why they don't suspend a guy immediately upon failed test."
-- Because there's an appeal process if the player wants to use it. Normally you don't even hear of a positive test until after the appeal has played out, so a guy getting suspended today may have come up dirty weeks ago. In the Biogenesis situation, because the info came via a public newspaper and not from within MLB, that process was largely flipped around.



"Still, A-Rod did not fail a test, and Bosch told him "You won't fail a test".
-- Again, no one is claiming the the testing process is perfect. But that's hardly the same as saying it's nothing but a show pony.



"Baseball really doesn't care at all about what their players are using, just that they look like they care."
-- I don't believe that's even remotely true.

Ceetar
Jul 03 2014 02:15 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
ahh, I never realized there were caught by the testing process too.


Some of those named in the Biogenesis records were, others were not.



" Sometimes they play that stuff fairly close to the chest for best interest. (not suspending them until the did they went through the paper trails too)"
-- That's not what happened. Those who were caught via testing were suspended then. Those who were caught via leaked paper trails were suspended after the processing of that evidence came out. Those named in Biogenesis who were previously suspended because of testing did not receive a second suspension.



"I never understood why they don't suspend a guy immediately upon failed test."
-- Because there's an appeal process if the player wants to use it. Normally you don't even hear of a positive test until after the appeal has played out, so a guy getting suspended today may have come up dirty weeks ago. In the Biogenesis situation, because the info came via a public newspaper and not from within MLB, that process was largely flipped around.



"Still, A-Rod did not fail a test, and Bosch told him "You won't fail a test".
-- Again, no one is claiming the the testing process is perfect. But that's hardly the same as saying it's nothing but a show pony.



"Baseball really doesn't care at all about what their players are using, just that they look like they care."
-- I don't believe that's even remotely true.


Well, I was sarcastically exaggerating when I said it's _all_ for show. But it's not a stretch to believe that MLB's major reason behind drug testing is a public image one. Players have fought for that edge, chemically or otherwise, since the game began. And they still are. There are plenty of extremely potent things players can take perfectly legally with basically MLB's blessing, even without resorting to the myriad of Biogenesis type clinics around the world.

They'll stick with the policy and punish the guys that fail, it's not like they have real incentive to care whether it's Aceves on the roster or someone else. They'll hunt down the "bad guys" like A-Rod and assign him arbitrary penalties to make themselves look tough on drugs. They've committed to having the "most comprehensive" drug testing in sports.

But it's still a PR campaign, and no one even knows how much some of this stuff actually helps performance. Or is something that's even bad for the body. Is it wrong to take a substance that will take you heal and recover faster? Worse than taking (legal) stuff that numbs pain so you can play through otherwise painful injuries that you wouldn't be able to? Why is one set of drugs illegal while others aren't? What's the different? It's more about looking tough than it is trying to create some sort of safe workplace or level playing field.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2014 02:36 PM
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It sounds like you're not exaggerating at all.

Ceetar
Jul 03 2014 02:41 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
And Alfredo Aceves gets a 50-game suspension from the league for drug use --- or so the league can look like they care.


Minor league suspension for using pot is hardly about creating a level playing field or ridding the game of drugs.

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2014 02:51 PM
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What's more is that it sounds like if they catch and punish guys, either by testing or by outside evidence, then you interpret it as evidence that its nothing but pr rather than them caring, and yet if they fail to catch and punish guys it's Proof that it's all for show and that they don't care.
Sounds like you've got yourself an air-tight case right there.

The bottom line is, that in barely a decade's time, MLB has gone from no testing and a union that refused to even consider the topic or admit that there was a problem, to no-penalty testing, to light penalty testing, to the toughest testing in any sport and the most players suspended in any sport, to a union which requested yet still harsher penalties (even though it was between CBA negotiations) upon seeing the latest round of guilty players going on to sign contracts after their suspensions were complete.

Ceetar
Jul 03 2014 03:10 PM
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no, the failing to catch and punish guys is simply an example of how easy it is, and why the idea that the game is clean as compared to 1998 or 2001 is just silly. But that's how I perceive MLB's drug policy, as a patch on that supposed blemish. Part of this of course, is writer-driven.

They do certainly seem more apt to get something banned, like HGH, that's got a PR stigma over drugs that may actually be more damaging, like say Toradol.

Frayed Knot
Jul 03 2014 04:57 PM
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But they ARE finding and punishing guys.
All of them? ... Of course not. What percentage? ... I have no freakin' idea and I don't know if anyone does.

But is there a number that need to be caught before you no longer dismiss the system as show and tell or do you reach the conclusion first and then adjust the data accordingly?
And if you say they're not really interested in catching anyone what is it you think they're not doing? Not testing when they claim they are? Ignoring positives? Finding positives but not acting?
And while you can dismiss all the Aceves types you want, you also need to acknowledge that some of the most recent names include the likes of Braun, Rodriguez, Peralta, Cruz, Ramirez, Colon, etc.

Edgy MD
Jul 03 2014 08:38 PM
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I don't get it. One of the most amazing players in the game's history, a 40-40 Gold Glove shorstop who, heading toward becoming the All Time Homerun King while playing for the flagship franchise in the sport, has been all-but-banished, humiliating him, his image-proud team, and the culture of the game. A whole generation of superstars --- Clemens, McGwire, Sosa.... guys with numbers that make most Hall of Famers look silly --- have been actively outed by the league after their careers, leaving them with this huge embarrassment every January when the Hall of Fame votes are tabulated and the giants are ignored.

What exactly would demonstrate commitment to you? Or do you not want any commitment, so you see any effort as lacking in credibility?

Even with the salary relief, the Rodriguez situation alone has cost the Yankees and the league tens of millions of dollars.

Frayed Knot
Jul 05 2014 06:31 AM
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Yanx find an at least temporary cure for their losing ways in the same place they always find it -- the Twins; but at the same time Sabathia's rehab has been shut down due to knee soreness and swelling which not only will likely be season-ending but has phrases like 'micro-fracture surgery' and 'career threatening' being thrown around.

And while there is always, even in cases involving the Yanquis, the concern about never wishing injuries on anyone, the one element of legit schadenfreude here goes back to when Johan Santana was constantly injured at a time when Sabathia was making every start and all the 'un-named MFY sources' (and by extension some of the fans) who took credit for waiting out the Santana trade in order to focus on CC the next year because they claimed to know--not THINK mind you, but KNOW--how fragile Johan was and how the much bigger Sabathia was destined to be the more durable. Knew it all along they did, going back to before either were yet available.

Well now your guy, who will turn 34 y/o next week and already forced you into one contract extension beyond the original signing, has an ERA of around 5.00 over his last 40 starts going back to the beginning of 2013 and is owed some $65 million going forward despite the fact that you geniuses don't know when, or how well, or even IF he's going to pitch again. So I think I'm perfectly within the bounds of proper decorum in asking; How does THAT rancid pair of size 62-waist pinstripes taste you smug dickwads?
Oh well, maybe you can work out a deal for Samardzjia? ... oh wait, no you can't!

Frayed Knot
Jul 06 2014 07:00 PM
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The Yanks have also DFA'd Alfonso Soriano, who has had the good grace to be outhit this year by Chris Young. And Eric Young. And Ruben Tejada. And Jacob deGrom.


Looking at the stats for Soriano, he had almost exactly the same # of ABs this season as he had last year for the Yanx after being dealt mid-year ... but the results were very different.

ABH2BHRBAOBASLG
201321956817.256.325.525
201422650156.221.244.367


And of course when he was playing well last year there was the usual smugness about how 'He always plays well for us'.
Yeah he does ... except for when he doesn't.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 09 2014 01:42 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Fuck Tanaka anyway. 7/155



Plus $20 to the Japanese team. The Yankees are like a kid who see a shiny toy and must have it. Sure, sometimes it's a good toy, but they better hope that toy doesn't yield a lot of ground balls, particularly to the left side.


Oh, guess who needs an MRI

seawolf17
Jul 09 2014 01:45 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

lolyankees

Frayed Knot
Jul 09 2014 01:53 PM
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Didn't see any of their game last night (when the Injuns hit Tanaka up for 5 runs) but caught about a minute of Francesa's intro today and he was saying it was the first time all year that Tanaka looked less than good ... and then added, 'he looked pretty bad in fact' (10 hits, a couple of HRs, etc.)
Don't know whether the MRI is in response to something he's actually feeling or from Cashman et al deciding that if he's not dominant then he must be injured like he's some sort of high performance sports car and they need to go under the hood and find out why it's not purring quite right.

But if HE ain't gonna be winning games for them on a regular basis in the 2nd half ...

sharpie
Jul 09 2014 02:24 PM
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Now I'm hearing Tanaka has "discomfort" and is being sent back to NYC for an MRI.

Ceetar
Jul 09 2014 04:12 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Hey, any word on if Jeter is going to this All-Star game or finding an excuse to bow out?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 09 2014 05:05 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Now I'm hearing Tanaka has "discomfort" and is being sent back to NYC for an MRI.


TANAKA: [Looks in mirror] Oh. Oh God. [Mouth drops open] Oh, what have I done? [Touches logo gingerly and with some disgust, as if touching a vintage copy of Protocols of the Elders of Zion; suppresses vomit]

Frayed Knot
Jul 10 2014 06:03 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Ceetar wrote:
Hey, any word on if Jeter is going to this All-Star game or finding an excuse to bow out?


Nah, Jeter always attends as do the majority of MFY position players. Besides, since the moment he announced his decision to retire this ASG was set-up to be a virtual three-day party specifically to honor him. You think he's going to skip out on that?
It's the Yanqui pitchers who always seem to come up with some well-timed early July injury -- ** Oooooh, I think I just sprained my Tripoli joint** -- which land them on the DL over the break thus enabling them to get a two-week rest but often miss just one start. It's also an action which gives the Yanx an opportunity to remind MLB that they're above all that league cooperation shit and will allow their guys to participate in league-wide events if and when they feel like it.

Now maybe this Tanaka thing is actually something and will turn out to be more serious than just the usual mid-season hi-jinx ... or maybe it won't.

seawolf17
Jul 10 2014 07:16 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

I didn't even think of the Tanaka MRI being an ASG-related hoax, but it could be. If he comes back in fifteen days, he only really misses one start. Fuckin' Yankees.

Edgy MD
Jul 10 2014 08:07 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Yeah, but, why would they delay him a full trip through the rotation to keep him out of one-ish inning of the All Star Game? That doesn't add up.

Mets – Willets Point
Jul 10 2014 08:14 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Edgy MD wrote:
Yeah, but, why would they delay him a full trip through the rotation to keep him out of one-ish inning of the All Star Game? That doesn't add up.


It's the Yankee Way!

Centerfield
Jul 10 2014 08:23 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

I think the idea is that he could benefit from the rest anyway so phantom injuries are created.

And for what it's worth, it's not just the MFY's that do this. Jon Niese is getting a nice two week paid vacation as we speak.

seawolf17
Jul 10 2014 08:24 AM
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If you're planning to give him a little breather anyway, why not do it now, when it'll minimally impact your team? You're not going to send him to Minnesota anyway, so why not just finagle your way through the break and then go back at it?

Counting whoever pitched last night as "1", you can go 1-2-3-4-replacement leading up to the break, then go 1-2-3-4 and BAM it's fifteen days and he's back.

Ceetar
Jul 10 2014 08:46 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Frayed Knot wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
Hey, any word on if Jeter is going to this All-Star game or finding an excuse to bow out?


Nah, Jeter always attends as do the majority of MFY position players. Besides, since the moment he announced his decision to retire this ASG was set-up to be a virtual three-day party specifically to honor him. You think he's going to skip out on that?
It's the Yanqui pitchers who always seem to come up with some well-timed early July injury -- ** Oooooh, I think I just sprained my Tripoli joint** -- which land them on the DL over the break thus enabling them to get a two-week rest but often miss just one start. It's also an action which gives the Yanx an opportunity to remind MLB that they're above all that league cooperation shit and will allow their guys to participate in league-wide events if and when they feel like it.

Now maybe this Tanaka thing is actually something and will turn out to be more serious than just the usual mid-season hi-jinx ... or maybe it won't.


[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/sports/baseball/jeter-explains-his-all-star-game-absence.html?_r=0

had a "hurt calf" despite getting his 3000th hit with a home run and a big day AFTER announcing he wasn't going.

And it's pretty rare for the player to flat out not go. usually the injured guys show up, hang out, put on the jersey, do the press stuff, etc.

Edgy MD
Jul 10 2014 08:58 AM
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Well, if you're not gonna play, you damn well better be on the DL. If you get selected, but your team is all... sorry, man, he just pitched the day before the break... well, he forfeits his right to be called an All Star in my book.

Man up and throw an inning.

seawolf17
Jul 10 2014 09:08 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Well, if you're not gonna play, you damn well better be on the DL. If you get selected, but your team is all... sorry, man, he just pitched the day before the break... well, he forfeits his right to be called an All Star in my book.

Man up and throw an inning.

But This Time It Counts™.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Jul 10 2014 09:15 AM
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Hell, forget pitching an inning... show up and wave.

Frayed Knot
Jul 10 2014 10:15 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Centerfield wrote:
And for what it's worth, it's not just the MFY's that do this. Jon Niese is getting a nice two week paid vacation as we speak.


Niese wasn't going to the All-Star Game - or at least probably not. Tanaka had already been named.
Also, a surprising number of MFYs are deemed as 'not quite ready' every time the WBC rolls around. Ahh, it's no big deal, I'm sure Panama has lots of top notch relievers they can slot in there instead.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Jul 10 2014 10:57 AM
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I'm a little surprised Verducci hasn't called for the game to be moved to the Bronx so Jeter has the honor of playing his final All-Star game before the home fans and unleashing the ultimate soft rain experience. Rick Reilly will call for Jeter to be reinstated in 2024 just for the game so his yet-unborn children have the chance to see him in an All-Star Game.

In all seriousness, Paul Lukas took a break from insulting members of the armed forces to bemoan the new All-Star Game caps to say: "Is this really the cap anyone wants to see Derek Jeter wearing in his final ASG?"

Personally, I hope Jeter plays all nine innings. Nothing better for the NL than to hit balls to the left side. Farrell, I'm sure, will get Derek out of there as soon as possible.

sharpie
Jul 10 2014 04:09 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

And now Carlos Beltran is on the 7-day concussion DL. The hits just keep on comin'.

MFS62
Jul 10 2014 07:00 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote:

In all seriousness, Paul Lukas took a break from insulting members of the armed forces to bemoan the new All-Star Game caps to say: "Is this really the cap anyone wants to see Derek Jeter wearing in his final ASG?"

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/1000 ... flage-unis

I don't take it as an insult to members of the military as much as it questions if camo unis are a valid tribute, and are being overused to the point of becoming trite.

Later

Ashie62
Jul 10 2014 07:07 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

The All Star game is a flatout borefest...

I like to watch the intros and move on....

Frayed Knot
Jul 10 2014 07:13 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

"Partial tear" of UCL on Tanaka.
Rest & rehab for now, TJ surgery possible.

Edgy MD
Jul 10 2014 08:08 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Oh dear, he represents, like, 50% of their assets at this point.

Frayed Knot
Jul 10 2014 08:49 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

sharpie wrote:
And now Carlos Beltran is on the 7-day concussion DL.


Which is a bit odd in that he's been not playing since Sunday but originally it was described as a sore knee or something like that. Not sure when the supposed concussion came about.
Now if I were a cynical guy I'd be wondering if the Yanx are using the shorter DL time in conjunction with the ASB to get him some rest without having to commit to the entire 15 days. I'd also go out looking for a cynical girl.



Anyway, didn't help them tonight as the Indians, down 3-0 for much of the game, stuck nine runs up late for the 9-3 romp.

Ashie62
Jul 10 2014 09:32 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
"Partial tear" of UCL on Tanaka.
Rest & rehab for now, TJ surgery possible.



Saw Girardi say this on TV... my gut feeling Taneka is out about a year...

HahnSolo
Jul 11 2014 07:03 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Frayed Knot wrote:
sharpie wrote:
And now Carlos Beltran is on the 7-day concussion DL.


Which is a bit odd in that he's been not playing since Sunday but originally it was described as a sore knee or something like that. Not sure when the supposed concussion came about.
Now if I were a cynical guy I'd be wondering if the Yanx are using the shorter DL time in conjunction with the ASB to get him some rest without having to commit to the entire 15 days. I'd also go out looking for a cynical girl.



Anyway, didn't help them tonight as the Indians, down 3-0 for much of the game, stuck nine runs up late for the 9-3 romp.


He got hit in the face with a batted ball during BP on Wednesday.

Frayed Knot
Jul 11 2014 07:10 AM
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HahnSolo wrote:
He got hit in the face with a batted ball during BP on Wednesday.


Ahhh, I did not see that. Last I heard about was the knee thing and that was back on Monday or Tuesday.
Good thing I'm not a cynical guy.



And, just because ...

[youtube]a93gTsNiW4k[/youtube]

MFS62
Jul 11 2014 08:01 AM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
"Partial tear" of UCL on Tanaka.
Rest & rehab for now, TJ surgery possible.

Listened during his last game. Ma and Pa Pinstripe were saying that in Japan, Tanaka only pitched every seven days. He had been pitching every five or six days with the Yanks, and this was his second start on a four day rotation. Suzyn said his arm looked "tired".
It was on radio, so I can't describe what Suzyn's face looked like.

Later

Ceetar
Jul 11 2014 08:37 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

HahnSolo wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
sharpie wrote:
And now Carlos Beltran is on the 7-day concussion DL.


Which is a bit odd in that he's been not playing since Sunday but originally it was described as a sore knee or something like that. Not sure when the supposed concussion came about.
Now if I were a cynical guy I'd be wondering if the Yanx are using the shorter DL time in conjunction with the ASB to get him some rest without having to commit to the entire 15 days. I'd also go out looking for a cynical girl.



Anyway, didn't help them tonight as the Indians, down 3-0 for much of the game, stuck nine runs up late for the 9-3 romp.


He got hit in the face with a batted ball during BP on Wednesday.


I believe it was a batted ball HE hit too.

Frayed Knot
Jul 11 2014 09:31 AM
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MFS62 wrote:
Frayed Knot wrote:
"Partial tear" of UCL on Tanaka.
Rest & rehab for now, TJ surgery possible.

Listened during his last game. Ma and Pa Pinstripe were saying that in Japan, Tanaka only pitched every seven days. He had been pitching every five or six days with the Yanks, and this was his second start on a four day rotation. Suzyn said his arm looked "tired".


Also heard one report saying that he had been using his splitter about twice as often over here -- up to 25% of his pitches -- as he did back in Japan, and splitters have been known to be tough on arms ... not that any one thing is going to be the culprit here.

Botom line is that he was the starting pitcher in nearly 30% of the Yanqui wins this year (13 of 46) and they've now got just one of the five who were in their starting rotation as this season began.
[crossout]Sabathia[/crossout]
Kuroda
[crossout]Tanaka[/crossout]
[crossout]Pineda[/crossout]
[crossout]Nova[/crossout]

Centerfield
Jul 11 2014 10:18 AM
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He should just get the surgery.

Of course, it would be great for MFY rivals if he tried to rehab it unsuccessfully for about 3 year prior to getting TJ, but to each his own.

Frayed Knot
Jul 11 2014 06:09 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Yanx deal with the A's for ex-Rockie LHP Jeff Francis in exchange for the old PtbNL/cash
He had been pitching in relief for Oakland this season.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Jul 11 2014 06:40 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

I believe Francis was just DFAed by the A's.

MFS62
Jul 11 2014 08:34 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Birds beat the MFYs in 10.
Early in the game, a high hopping ground ball went off Jeter's glove. Naturally, it was scored a base hit.
Listened to the in-game scoring summary, but not the call itself. He even gets the calls his way on the road. ECHHHH!

Later

Fman99
Jul 17 2014 10:49 AM
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Edgy MD
Jul 23 2014 08:30 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Headley heroix aside, the last few nights have give us a pitcher who can't throw to first, and a grounds crew who can't get a tarp down.

Don't want to glory in anybody else's struggles, but man, how much bitter damnation would these guys have gotten from George Steinbrenner?

Edgy MD
Jul 24 2014 03:32 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Chuck Knoblauch busted for allegedly beating up his ex-wife. His induction into the Twins Hall of Fame has been "cancelled" --- which is a notably different word than "suspended" or "delayed, pending the outcome of this matter."

MFS62
Jul 24 2014 04:35 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Chuck Knoblauch busted for allegedly beating up his ex-wife. His induction into the Twins Hall of Fame has been "cancelled" --- which is a notably different word than "suspended" or "delayed, pending the outcome of this matter."


Are they sure he was aiming at her?

Later.

Frayed Knot
Aug 01 2014 02:33 PM
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So all this wheeling and dealing (including one deal where the two combatants dealt with each other) comes on the eve of a Yanx/Sawx series, albeit one with less emphasis than most of the ones in recent years.
All of which got me to thinking, for the Sox in particular but it kind of works both ways: So who's left to actually pitch in this series?

See if you can match up the pitchers for this weekend's games with the team for which they'll be toeing the slab:

Shane Greene
Chris Capuano
Anthony Ranaudo
David Phelps
Clay Buchholtz
Allen Webster


OK, Buchholtz is fairly easy but the others have made 1, 4, 0, 16, and 8 game starts for their clubs this season.
There are probably a dozen other games that would serve ESPN better on their Sunday Night GotW - but of course they are powerless to resist.






Greene, Capuano (picked up Last week), Phelps are Yanx
Buchholtz, Ranaudo (ML debut) & Webster are Bostonians

Frayed Knot
Aug 03 2014 08:11 PM
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Only two hours into the game in Fenway tonight and they're already through 4 innings!!!
7-4 Sox as I type this but the score changes every two or three minutes so depending on how quickly you're reading this ...


Fortunately for the Sox Jeter's been there to pour a bucket onto the end of each Yanqui rally.

bmfc1
Aug 06 2014 06:25 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Jeter is so classy, ain't he? Keith Olbermann explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rK8jw4jR_0

Frayed Knot
Aug 06 2014 07:40 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Jeter is so classy, ain't he? Keith Olbermann explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rK8jw4jR_0


And what goes unmentioned by Olbermann is that one of the more prominent graffiti-like things on those shoes is: MVP ... which is all well and good until you remember that Jeter's never been an MVP*

* despite attempts by writers a few years back to get him one in the style of a lifetime Oscar even as they admitted he didn't deserve it for that year

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 06 2014 07:50 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Maybe it stands for Most Venereal Player.

Frayed Knot
Aug 06 2014 07:13 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

The Yanx are getting better starting pitching with all these scrubs than they ever were before all the injuries hit.
Losing Tanaka was obviously a big blow, but the current collection of no-names is performing MUCH better than Sabathia, Pineda, Nuno & Nova even were.
Shyeet, Chris Freakin' Capuano is shutting down the Tigers tonight.

Edgy MD
Aug 06 2014 08:47 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Orioles the only team with a real lead in their division, though. At least, they were until yielding to the Dickeys this evening. Their lead is down to four.

Frayed Knot
Aug 06 2014 09:10 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

I don't see anyone pulling away in that division (with only the Sox being truly out of it) so things will almost surely go down to the wire there both for the div win and for the 2nd WC.

But this entire season I've seen the Yanx as not only NOT a playoff team but a sub-.500 one - and then when their pitchers going down I thought that was all just a matter of time. Hell, they were 30-40 runs in arrears before all that happened.
But now, with Gardner suddenly on pace for 25 HRs, McCann slowly waking up, Headley being an improvement, and, like I said above, scrub pitchers pitching as well or better than the high-priced guys they replaced, I'm not so sure. They just won 2-of-3 vs Detroit while Brandon McCarthy (5.00 ERA before trade, 2.08 since), Hiroki Kuroda (looked like toast end of last season) & Capuano (released twice this season) basically out-pitched the last three CY winners as the Tigers needed an extra-inning HR in order to not get swept.

Nymr83
Aug 07 2014 09:31 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Don't drink the Yankee KoolAid! those pitchers are going to fall apart and revert to their usual suckitude!

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 07 2014 09:56 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Jeter makes everyone around him better. I fully expect that the Yankees will hoist the World Series trophy at the end of October. Jeter as WS MVP. It will be terrible.

Nymr83
Aug 07 2014 10:47 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Jeter makes everyone around him better. I fully expect that the Yankees will hoist the World Series trophy at the end of October. Jeter as WS MVP. It will be terrible.


This is the most terrible thing ever. Jeter striking out to end a must-win game on the last day of the season to end the Yankees' playoff hopes is a much prettier image.

HahnSolo
Aug 07 2014 01:28 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

The Tigers bats sure found an opportune time to take four days off.

Frayed Knot
Aug 11 2014 10:22 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Nice job by the Cleveland Native Americans this weekend, bouncing back after a bad loss Friday to hold Skankee bats to just one run total over two games.

Yanx start a six game road trip tonight with three in Baltimore then three in Tampa.
A bad week here would really do some damage to their October dreams. A good week, followed as it is by visits from the much softer Houston & ChiSox, puts them right in the thick of things.
Detroit gets another shot at them towards the end of the month so, Mr. MGiM, tell your Tiggers that they have one last chance to get off my shit-list (and I'm sure they're worrying themselves sick over this)

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 11 2014 08:53 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Os clobbered the MFYs 11-3 after trailing 3-1

Frayed Knot
Aug 13 2014 08:19 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Pineda came off the DL and was no-hitting the Orioles thru 4 and had a 2-0 lead.
But he could only last 5, left up 2-1, and Girardi went to Bettances for 2.1 innings.
But because he came in so early he couldn'tt finish the 8th inning and so the O's scored 4 times on 2 HRs

5-3 Baltimore is your final.

Frayed Knot
Aug 16 2014 07:26 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

5th straight loss, 5-0 to Tampa

That game also brought the TBR up to .500 for the first time this season since being 10-10 and after falling to a low point of 18-games under in early June
Rays now just 1 game in back of the Yanx who could conceivably fall from their current 5th WC slot to 7th before this weekend is over, caught and/or passed by TB and Cleveland

Tigers, btw, not only fell out of the ALC lead this past week but, as of last night, the 2nd WC slot as well (serves them right for sucking v the Yanx).
Seattle makes the playoffs if the season ends today (although I heard it won't).

Lefty Specialist
Aug 16 2014 09:21 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

I'm rooting very hard for Derek Jeter to play empty, meaningless games in late September. The kind that he's forced to play in because the fans demand their last look at the myth, the legend, the Ford Edge spokesman.

Mets – Willets Point
Aug 16 2014 07:42 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Lefty Specialist wrote:
I'm rooting very hard for Derek Jeter to play empty, meaningless games in late September. The kind that he's forced to play in because the fans demand their last look at the myth, the legend, the Ford Edge spokesman.


And he piles up a streak of 0-for-4's and LOBs.

MFS62
Aug 17 2014 08:19 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Mets – Willets Point wrote:
Lefty Specialist wrote:
I'm rooting very hard for Derek Jeter to play empty, meaningless games in late September. The kind that he's forced to play in because the fans demand their last look at the myth, the legend, the Ford Edge spokesman.


And he piles up a streak of 0-for-4's and LOBs.

He drove in the winning run last night with the 2,347th seventeen hop, seeing eye, opposite field, hit of his career, extending his own all-time major league record.

Later

Ceetar
Aug 19 2014 07:26 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Seen on a Brooklyn Brewery bathroom 3/18/2012

MFS62
Aug 24 2014 12:25 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

They had a day for Clueless Joe at YS III yesterday, and put his number up on the wall.
Callers to the local talk shows are saying that Mariano Rivera, the guy who added 50 points to Torre's baseball IQ wasn't there. (If he was, he was invisible. Bernie Williams wasn't seen there, either.)
I can neither confirm nor deny those comments.

Later

G-Fafif
Aug 24 2014 12:46 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

MFS62 wrote:
Bernie Williams wasn't seen there, either.


Gerald Williams wasn't there. Bernie Williams was front and center. Torre called him his favorite, told sickeningly adorable stories about their Special Relationship.

MFS62
Aug 24 2014 01:16 PM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

G-Fafif wrote:
MFS62 wrote:
Bernie Williams wasn't seen there, either.


Gerald Williams wasn't there. Bernie Williams was front and center. Torre called him his favorite, told sickeningly adorable stories about their Special Relationship.

You can't believe anything MFY fans say.
Thanks.

Later

G-Fafif
Sep 03 2014 02:07 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

9 1/2 in back of Baltimore in the East with 26 to go.

5 back of Detroit for the second Wild Card, tied with Cleveland and 3 1/2 behind Seattle as well.

Only a half-game up on Toronto for second place in the division.

Only four games over .500.

Got spanked by last-place Boston.

Playoff chances at 2.1%, per FanGraphs.

Lefty Specialist
Sep 03 2014 05:58 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Don Meredith is standing by the light switch.

G-Fafif
Nov 14 2014 03:29 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

No MFY received an MVP vote of any weight in 2014. First time since 1992, which was the third consecutive year no American League writer was awed by the sight of pinstripes and/or feel the breath of the Babe bearing down on him from MFY Heaven.

2014 also marks the first time since 1991 that a Met (Hojo then, Duda now) won MVP support while every MFY was completely overlooked.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 14 2014 04:52 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

Also MFYs traded Frankie Fistpump to the Pirates for LHRP Justin Wilson

seawolf17
Nov 14 2014 06:54 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

I'm honestly surprised that no writer threw Jeets a 10th place vote in sad, sad tribute.

MFS62
Nov 14 2014 07:29 AM
Re: 2014 Yanx - The Crumble Continues ???

seawolf17 wrote:
I'm honestly surprised that no writer threw Jeets a 10th place vote in sad, sad tribute.

He would have made the list of vote-getters better.

Later