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J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 Jan 03 2014 07:46 AM

[url]http://overthecap.com/2014-new-york-jets-offseason-salary-cap-financial-report/ Overthecap.com is a great website with lots of football news, mostly centered around player movement and financials. they are doing a 15-20 page report on every team's cap situation and an offseason preview, they happened to start with the Jets (there is a pdf to download after you follow the link)

MFS62 Jan 03 2014 12:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'd love to do it, but can't get around having to sign up for something AARP or giving a credit card number.. Later

Nymr83 Jan 03 2014 05:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I didn't sign up for anything, are you clicking in the wrong spot? Here is a direct link to the PDF, may not work with all browsers: http://overthecap.com/wp-content/upload ... Report.pdf

MFS62 Jan 03 2014 06:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: I didn't sign up for anything, are you clicking in the wrong spot? Here is a direct link to the PDF, may not work with all browsers: http://overthecap.com/wp-content/upload ... Report.pdf Thanks. Better. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 13 2014 06:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

5/$36M? Hey, at least we've got a number-one-receiver for Revis to shut down.

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2014 07:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

For a guy who is supposedly at or near the top of his position (a position that seems particularly valuable in this pass-happy era) Revis doesn't seem to be signing very good contracts. The deal he inked with Tampa--the one he was able to force them into in order to land him--was for like $90 million dollars or so total but, in contrast to the trend of many top NFL FA deals, there was no up-front money therefore he got nothing more after being cut other than the one year's salary. Hell, the deal itself gave the Bucs incentive to cut him. So given a second shot at it, not only is his new contract with the Patriots for less money than his last one (around a 20% cut) but it's a straight one-year deal with again no guarantees beyond the base salary. Not that I'm about to start a charity drive for the guy or anything and maybe the consensus on him now it that he's no long the player he was a few years back, but FA opportunities for elite level players in their primes are so rare in the NFL that it seems odd for him to seemingly do through this two years in a row without getting even a tiny amount locked up beyond just the most immediate 12-month window.

Ashie62 Mar 13 2014 04:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: 5/$36M? Hey, at least we've got a number-one-receiver for Revis to shut down. Decker has hands... Very nice signing..

Nymr83 Mar 13 2014 07:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jets lost Austin Howard and added Breno Giacomini to take his place. Jets re-signed Douzable who is a good backup for them. The Revis thing makes me puke. Decker is a good signing, hopefully they still draft a good WR (unless Ebron falls to them or all the good WRs are gone), Cromartie was cut as well leaving the entire secondary as a big huge gap.

Ashie62 Mar 13 2014 07:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Dee Milliner hasn't worked out yet....

Nymr83 Mar 13 2014 07:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Dee Milliner hasn't worked out yet.... and Kyle Wilson was a huge bust, some teams suck at drafting certain positions (see Lions and WR- Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Ry Williams THREE STRAIGHT YEARS!!)

Fman99 Mar 14 2014 04:26 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: Decker is a good signing, hopefully they still draft a good WR (unless Ebron falls to them or all the good WRs are gone), You need two quality WRs, or one plus an elite TE, to go far in the postseason. I don't think it's a coincidence that Sanchez' best season was the one where Holmes was healthy and Edwards was respectable enough to still draw defenders over to his side of the field.

Vic Sage Mar 14 2014 11:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

As a rule, I don't want my team overreaching for need, especially in the 1st 2 rounds, and they should go for the best available guy, regardless of position. That being said, guys generally fall into strata, rather than a strict number order on a team's board, so within a particular strata they can prioritize certain positions. For the Jets, I'd hope it would be: TE, WR, OG, CB, S, in that order. Alot of mocks have us taking Marqise Lee in the 1st, but that concerns me. He's explosive, yes, but small and gets hurt, and not as productive as his talent would indicate. He seems to me a boom/bust pick, which they should avoid. With the depth at WR in this draft, i'd hope they'd instead go for one of the top TEs first (Ebron, hopefully [though unlikely], with Amaro, Sefarian-Jenkins, Niklas and Fiedorowicz all likely to still be available, but Jets may consider them all strictly 2nd round players), then take best WR in the 2nd round -- i'm hoping for Brandin Cooks (though he'll probably go in the 1st round), or even a solid all-around guy like Jordan Matthews. If Cooks is still available in the beginning of the 2nd round, they should trade up for him. He's a blazing fast difference maker, like Lee, but more consistently productive and healthy (so far). That being said, all i know about these guys is what i read, so obviously the teams and the touts all know more than me or anybody here. Still the team's philosophy towards the draft needs to be BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER, only prioritizing position within each particular strata of player. Talent wins; if you have a surplus at a position, you make a trade.

Ashie62 Mar 14 2014 06:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Might depend upon whether they sign Michael Vick, perish the thought...

d'Kong76 Mar 14 2014 07:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Hopefully the yappin' about Vick is just yappin' ...

Nymr83 Mar 14 2014 09:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: As a rule, I don't want my team overreaching for need, especially in the 1st 2 rounds, and they should go for the best available guy, regardless of position. That being said, guys generally fall into strata, rather than a strict number order on a team's board, so within a particular strata they can prioritize certain positions. For the Jets, I'd hope it would be: TE, WR, OG, CB, S, in that order. Alot of mocks have us taking Marqise Lee in the 1st, but that concerns me. He's explosive, yes, but small and gets hurt, and not as productive as his talent would indicate. He seems to me a boom/bust pick, which they should avoid. With the depth at WR in this draft, i'd hope they'd instead go for one of the top TEs first (Ebron, hopefully [though unlikely], with Amaro, Sefarian-Jenkins, Niklas and Fiedorowicz all likely to still be available, but Jets may consider them all strictly 2nd round players), then take best WR in the 2nd round -- i'm hoping for Brandin Cooks (though he'll probably go in the 1st round), or even a solid all-around guy like Jordan Matthews. If Cooks is still available in the beginning of the 2nd round, they should trade up for him. He's a blazing fast difference maker, like Lee, but more consistently productive and healthy (so far). That being said, all i know about these guys is what i read, so obviously the teams and the touts all know more than me or anybody here. Still the team's philosophy towards the draft needs to be BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER, only prioritizing position within each particular strata of player. Talent wins; if you have a surplus at a position, you make a trade. Agree wit everything you said except for the last thing. surplus for surplus trading doesnt happen in the NFL the way it does in MLB/NBA. generally trades are almost always about dumping a guy fd\or a lower draft pick than you used to take him.

Frayed Knot Mar 21 2014 04:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vick signed, Sanchez cut.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 21 2014 04:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

That'll please the chicks.

Nymr83 Mar 21 2014 04:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Vick signed, Sanchez cut. fuckfuckfuck. the only thing worse than Sanchez is dog-killer.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 21 2014 05:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

"A-hem."

Edgy MD Mar 21 2014 05:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Football is so weird.

Ashie62 Mar 21 2014 05:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Might depend upon whether they sign Michael Vick, perish the thought... Signed...

themetfairy Mar 21 2014 06:11 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'm not going to any Jets games as long as Vick is on the team.

d'Kong76 Mar 21 2014 07:42 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

First Tebow, now Vick ... they like the lightning rods.

Mets Guy in Michigan Mar 21 2014 09:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: First Tebow, now Vick ... they like the lightning rods. Don't forget Favre!

Lefty Specialist Mar 24 2014 11:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

metsguyinmichigan wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: First Tebow, now Vick ... they like the lightning rods. Don't forget Favre!

Vic Sage Mar 24 2014 11:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

i think we're better now than we were before, so i'm ok with the move, for however long it may work out. I have no confidence in Geno Smith (i didn't when they drafted him and i still don't), but i really don't think sitting behind Vick will do him much harm, developmentally speaking. Lots of great QBs started their careers playing either intermittently or sitting behind better QBs. With Vick's injury history, its still likely Smith will play some this year, even if he doesn't start the season as their QB. As for the dog-fighting thing.... look, its horrible. But it's also a cultural thing; there are places in America where they hold animals' lives more cheaply than the do in the other parts of America, and this is part of their tradition. It's not an excuse, of course, and we can feel that he should have rose above his environment, but he didn't. And he paid for his involvement, and has been (by all accounts) a model citizen since. So, even as a dog lover, I don't think I can withhold my support for him at this point, if he's on my team and doing all he can to help the team win. People get second chances. But that's me. I understand the mileage of others might vary on this point and i have no problem with that.

Nymr83 Mar 24 2014 12:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Woody Johnson wants Jackson and Woody Johnson is going to tell the world! Whats the penalty for tampering?

Vic Sage Mar 24 2014 12:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The penalty? Ending up with a dog like DeSean Jackson would be penalty enough. Why do we need to fill the "santonio holmes" total asshole spot on the roster?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 24 2014 03:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

We've just got one of those? I was under the impression we had, like, seven endowed roster chairs of that ilk.

TransMonk Mar 24 2014 03:47 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Philly calling...

Ashie62 Mar 24 2014 04:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: The penalty? Ending up with a dog like DeSean Jackson would be penalty enough. Why do we need to fill the "santonio holmes" total asshole spot on the roster? Why not?? The Jets are one short step above the Raiders.... Bring him on...

Lefty Specialist Mar 24 2014 05:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

TransMonk wrote: Philly calling... Good for him. The fans are patient and they never boo their players.

d'Kong76 Mar 24 2014 05:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I dunno, I'm not jumping on that Vick is a doggie-villan and everyone should hide their pets and children if he sees playing time for Gang Green. I like Geno, hope he's the Jets QB when the first ball is snapped in September.

Fman99 Mar 24 2014 06:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: I dunno, I'm not jumping on that Vick is a doggie-villan and everyone should hide their pets and children if he sees playing time for Gang Green. Same here. He served his time and seems repentant and humbled. But I'm the forgiving type.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 24 2014 08:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

as Vic said above -- a shameful kind of cultural wrong that ought to have been checked but was punished -- probably, moreso than a lot of the NFL's greatest ex-cons. I do not know if he can help the Jets or not.

Ashie62 Mar 25 2014 11:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

They may need Vick...Geno Smith is a buckethead...

Vic Sage Mar 25 2014 12:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

i don't even know what that means. what's more, i don't think i want to...

d'Kong76 Mar 25 2014 01:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'm pretty sure Geno Smith was an honor student.

Vic Sage Mar 28 2014 10:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

"The San-chize" signed with Eagles, so we've basically swapped our ex-starting QBs. Meanwhile, the Eagles have an all-pro O-Guard, Mathis, they're looking to trade for a 3rd round pick because they don't want to pay him. We should consider that, as long as we're becoming Philly North. We have 3 4th-rounders and 4 6thR picks, so we could probably trade some of that excess to replace the 3rd rounder.

d'Kong76 Mar 28 2014 12:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: as long as we're becoming Philly North Even people in Trenton don't joke like that. *shudder*

Nymr83 Apr 02 2014 01:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jets added Jacoby Ford on a one year deal. Ford is a fast, but always injured, wide receiver. His biggest contributions have come as a kick-returner, a role that the NFL seems determined to entirely eliminate through rule changes. Jets also add often-injured (are you sensing a pattern here?) cornerback Dimitri Patterson, another talented guy who can't stay on the field. Theres no such thing as a bad 1-year deal, maybe one of these guys plays well?

Vic Sage Apr 02 2014 01:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

NYJ also signed itty-bitty super fast CB Jeremy Reeves from Iowa State, who went undrafted last year due to injury and so was a FA. Another injured guy with explosive speed; Camp fodder, i guess, to compete as a return guy.

Vic Sage Apr 02 2014 01:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

i guess they're trying to corner the market on broken fast guys, with the hope that one of them hits. seems like a low-cost risk with big upside potential.

MFS62 Apr 02 2014 09:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: Jets added Jacoby Ford on a one year deal. Ford is a fast, but always injured, wide receiver. His biggest contributions have come as a kick-returner, a role that the NFL seems determined to entirely eliminate through rule changes. He may feel like leaving the Raiders is like getting released from prison and we hope he'll do well. As opposed to other Raiders who join the team after being released from prison. Later

d'Kong76 Apr 16 2014 01:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Chris Johnson is a Jet! http://thejetsblog.com/nyjets/chris-joh ... with-jets/

Nymr83 Apr 16 2014 02:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

He is worth a shot

Ashie62 Apr 16 2014 06:52 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

He can split duties with Bilal Powell. nice risk/reward...

Nymr83 Apr 16 2014 07:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: He can split duties with Bilal Powell. nice risk/reward... Powell?? What about Chris Ivory?? Powell is 3rd string now

MFS62 Apr 16 2014 09:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nice pickup. Now they can concentrate on upgrading their receiving and secondary in the draft. Later

Vic Sage Apr 17 2014 08:16 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Johnson raced a Cheetah last year, but he lost. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/285 ... ce-cheetah i think he would've won a few years earlier. but it's a good signing, i think. Low risk / high reward. Now get WR Odell Beckham (or, TE Ebron, if he's still available [unllikely]) in 1st round of next month's draft, and the offense will take on a whole new look next year.

Nymr83 May 08 2014 09:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

With the 18th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select.... Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville. I'm pleasantly surprised that they didn't take some over-hyped workout warrior WR (looking at you Benjamin!) but I'm scratching my head that Dennard was still on the board. Jace Amaro in the 2nd? you'll have to wait until tomorrow to see!

MFS62 May 09 2014 07:06 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Pryor was a solid pick. The safety position was a weak link in the defense last year. He will make them better. Later

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 09 2014 09:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Amaro would be a heckuva get (and, given the arrest record, an NFL-ready perfect fit!). I kinda like that DE Tuitt, too. But, y'know, then, I don't know as much as the people who are paid to know things. When pressed, Pryor compares himself to Kam Chancellor; I think it's fair to say-- given that they passed on Dennard and Cooks-- that Idzik et. al. think similarly of him.

d'Kong76 May 09 2014 11:55 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: But, y'know, then, I don't know as much as the people who are paid to know things. I'm not so sure about that! We could coif your hair up like Mel Kipers and I'm sure you could hold your own! This dragged out format is brutal. I guess they know what they're doing, ratings for last night's show were off the charts.

Nymr83 May 09 2014 12:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Great story going into tonight (if they dont manage to talk about Manziel again all night) is QB Derek Carr. The Texans need a QB, pick first tonight, and there is already a picture of Carr up on stage with the commish in a Texans hat...

d'Kong76 May 09 2014 12:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

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Frayed Knot May 09 2014 12:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Keith Olbermann did a funny bit late last night about how #2 overall picks have out-performed #1 overalls (based on Pro-Bowl & HoF stats) over the seven-plus decades of NFL drafting. And the thing is, that such a thing could and has turned out that way should come as a shock to no one, nor does it prove that the guys up there don't know what they're talking about. What it does show though is that the hundreds of hours they spend analyzing this stuff and the conviction with which they declare that Smith is better than Jones, etc., is largely nothing more than a wait-and-see toss-up being passed off as if an exact science.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 09 2014 06:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: Jace Amaro in the 2nd? you'll have to wait until tomorrow to see! Hey!

dgwphotography May 09 2014 08:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Keith Olbermann did a funny bit late last night about how #2 overall picks have out-performed #1 overalls (based on Pro-Bowl & HoF stats) over the seven-plus decades of NFL drafting. And the thing is, that such a thing could and has turned out that way should come as a shock to no one, nor does it prove that the guys up there don't know what they're talking about. What it does show though is that the hundreds of hours they spend analyzing this stuff and the conviction with which they declare that Smith is better than Jones, etc., is largely nothing more than a wait-and-see toss-up being passed off as if an exact science. I didn't see the bit, but more first thought is of Ricky Bell and Tony Dorsett

Nymr83 May 10 2014 04:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Nymr83 wrote: Jace Amaro in the 2nd? you'll have to wait until tomorrow to see! Hey! I should have picked lotto numbers instead

Ashie62 May 10 2014 05:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

QB from Clemson Taj Boyd is a Jet...

d'Kong76 May 11 2014 10:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

How cool a football name is Dakota Dozier? Maybe not quite as cool as D'Brickashaw Ferguson, but pretty close.

Frayed Knot May 11 2014 10:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: QB from Clemson Taj Boyd is a Jet... Maybe this will turn some of my Clemson relatives into J-E-T-S fans. Nah, I doubt it, but they all had a major crush on Boyd these past few years.

Vic Sage May 12 2014 10:39 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The draftniks have given the Jets a pretty solid B/B+ consensus grade on this draft overall, but i have some reservations. I think we did well in the first 2 rounds, picking top guys at positions of need. But then i think we overdrafted a bunch of guys in the middle rounds, before finishing strongly. In this draft, we needed help alot of places, but our biggest needs were (1) a fast outside WR who could start opposite Decker and stretch the field, so that Decker, Kerley and Johnson could make quick short plays in the slot and over the middle, and (2) a CB who could start opposite the disappointing Milliner (over the bust Kyle Wilson), who was strong enough to press WRs at the line, and re-route them, and provide man-coverage on the ever-biggening WRs in this league. We filled neither of these needs. Instead, we got: 1/18: Calvin Pryor, S (Louisville) - They went for the SS over Dennard/CB and Cooks/WR, and some say it was a bit of a reach, but i like him. Safety was a need (not as much as WR and CB, but still a need), and Pryor was ranked by many as the top S in the draft, expected to go in the 2nd half of the 1st R, so i think it was both good value and a good fit. There is at least some question, however, whether this kind of hard hitter is being outlawed in the NFL, and whether Pryor has the ability to cover as well as hit. And I would've preferred Cooks, who was the exact type of WR we needed, or Dennard, the prototype press-cover2 CB we should have looked for, but i can't not like getting a guy like Pryor, who can knock muthafuckas out and change the tone of a game and will be our opening day starter. [B+] 2/49: Jace Amaro, TE (Texas Tech) - A great pick. Cumberland is, at best, a mediocre TE. Amaro is the "big play" slot receiver we didn't get in round 1, and is a value pick in the middle of Round 2, so good for us. But he's not going to block anybody or help in the running game, so he'll have to be used primarily in 2-TE sets, which limits other things Ryan can do. But i'm picking nits. [A] 3/80: Dexter McDougle, CB (Maryland) - At this point i said "WTF?" This guy was rated by EVERYBODY who does this sort of thing for a living (expect Idzik, i guess) as a 5th-7th round pick, and we took him in the 3rd. Even if he was the best CB on the board at the time (he wasn't; he wasn't even in the top 25), and even if he had been a healthy productive player (he hadn't been), he was still the wrong KIND of CB, ill-equipped to step in and start opposite Milliner in game 1. He's a smallish quick CB, physical and a good tackler, but unable to press WRs at the line, giving up a lot of catches in front of him to protect against the deep ball (and that's assuming he stays healthier than he did in college). And at that point in round 3, there were literally 2 dozen other CBs higher ranked than (or equivalent to) McDougle. Not that there were any blue chippers still available at that point (they were all gone by then), but then why not take an impact WR like Montcrief, still sitting there on the board and still a glaring need as a #2 wideout, and wait until R4 to choose from among the cluster of similarly ranked CBs available with one of our three 4th-R picks? Even if Rex loved McDougle, there was no reason to think they couldn't have gotten him one round later, and even if not, then take Gaines, McGill, Aikens, Desir, or Breeland or the best available at that point. I don't think this guy can even beat out Wilson, and that's a damning thing to say about anybody. He may well be this year's Stephen Hill... a talented bust we hold onto too long because we overvalued him. [D] 4/104: Jalen Saunders, WR/PR (Oklahoma) - We overdrafted again here. This tiny mite won't be able to play on the outside opposite Decker; he'll get pushed out of every play. He could be an effective slot receiver at some point (If Smith or Vick can even find him), but with Kerley and now Amaro, plus RB Johnson coming out of the backfield, that's not a glaring need. He may end up a good punt returner, and that's certainly useful, but at this point, there were still WRs available who could line up and do exactly what we needed. Bruce Ellington went 2 slots later and Robert Herron a few rounds after that, both of whom have more speed and at least have the strength to be a #2 WR and not just special teams guys. [C-] 4/115: Shaq Evans, WR (UCLA) - A solid, productive possession receiver, but not great speed or a high ceiling, and Martavis Bryant was just sitting there (before going 3 picks later to Pitt). And CBs McGill, Desir and Aikens were still there, too, making the McDougle pick in R3 even worse. [C+] 4c/137: Dakota Dozier, T/G (Furman) - With the third of our 4th-R picks, we got solid value adding offensive line depth, picking up a small school LT who could step in at G for either Colon or Winters, should the need arise. Good call here (and a great name!), but we should have packaged some of these extra 4th and 6th R picks to move up and get either a starting-caliber CB or WR at some point, instead of settling for McDougle and Saunders. [B+] 5/154: Jeremiah George, ILB (Iowa State) - a slow and undersized LB, mostly here for special teams depth. There were some OLBs with higher ceilings still available, plus a promising DB like Aaron Exum, guard Jon Halapio, WR Matt Hazel, and QB David Fales (considered by many to be the best "late sleeper" QB pick in the draft), but Special Teams needs bodies, i guess. [C-] 6/195: Brandon Dixon, CB (NW Missouri State) - This guy could just as easily been an undrafted FA, but he's a physical CB who can contribute on ST, so Ok for a 6th R pick [C+] 6c/209: Quincy Enunwa, WR (Nebraska) - A big, strong receiver who could develop on the practice squad, which is all you can hope for at this point in the draft [C+] 6c/210: IK Enemkpali, DE/OLB (Louisiana Tech) - Not much talent here; he's strong, tough, hard-worker, but a slow and undersized pass-rushing end... why him over Sam? or anybody else? [C] 6c/213: Tajh Boyd, QB (Clemson) - A lot of talent for a 6th R QB (he can run and make all the throws), but totally raw and unfamiliar with a pros system. He'll compete with Simms for 3rd-string QB slot and, as "Rex's guy", will likely win. But they could have had Fales (a better prospect) in the 5th, instead of George. [B] 7/233: Trevor Reilly, OLB (Utah) - A 26-year old man against college boys, this pass rusher with a bad knee could actually help right away, which is great value in the 7th R [B+] We were a thin team coming into the draft, so we needed a lot of new blood, but 12 picks? Some should have been used to improve our 3rd and 4th round positions to get the CB and WR we still needed at that point... and still need now. Instead, we brought in practice squad filler. Overall, there seems to have been an intentional emphasis on drafting for leadership (some of these guys were team captains), toughness and physicality over pure talent, which is fine if it works and sucks if it doesn't. If I grade this draft based on our top 2 picks alone, i'd give it a "B+/A-". But overall, the lack of moving around to upgrade the mid-round picks before taking some interesting talent later on (and good character guys throughout [except the talented but felonious Amaro]), makes this more of a "C+/B-" grade. Certainly good enough, and there are UDFAs still to be brought in, but I was left scratching my head at times, particularly with McDougle (3rdR) and Saunders (4th), which i think were out-and-out blunders, and Evans, George, Dixon and Enemkpali, who i think are just filler picks with limited upsides. But i don't do this for a living; they do. And i hope they hit it out of the park. 46 years and counting...

d'Kong76 Aug 29 2014 06:57 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I haven't watched one snap of pre-season this year. Is Rex still the coach??

Ashie62 Aug 30 2014 04:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: I haven't watched one snap of pre-season this year. Is Rex still the coach?? Yes....haven't watched much but 5-11 is my best guess...

d'Kong76 Aug 30 2014 04:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: I haven't watched one snap of pre-season this year. Is Rex still the coach?? Yes....haven't watched much but 5-11 is my best guess... That guess will look silly when they're in the playoffs.

Ashie62 Aug 30 2014 04:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I hope they do! What year?

Ashie62 Aug 30 2014 04:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Goodbye Dimitri Patterson... All he needed to do was phone home. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24688115/jets-cut-cb-dimitri-patterson-eight-days-after-he-went-awol

MFS62 Aug 30 2014 04:36 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

They gave Hill the pink slip, too. And he dropped it. Later

Nymr83 Aug 30 2014 10:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

MFS62 wrote: They gave Hill the pink slip, too. And he dropped it. Later so obvious but i still laughed

d'Kong76 Sep 04 2014 11:38 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Enunwa arrest for assault, Hill blames media for his suckitude. Details at eleven.

Ashie62 Sep 07 2014 11:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

It has begun. I am hearing Sid Vicious sing "My Way" for Acura in heavy rotation on CBS. Geno has one int and a goaline fumble. Fans will be screaming for Vick by the fourth.

Trachsel My Tears Sep 07 2014 04:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

J-

MFS62 Sep 07 2014 04:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

E- Later

d'Kong76 Sep 07 2014 06:22 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I listened after the dropped TD pass in the first drive. Too nice to stay in. Way too many penalties and mistakes. Should have won by thirty points.

Ashie62 Sep 07 2014 07:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

T-S JETS JETS JETS

Nymr83 Sep 08 2014 07:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: I listened after the dropped TD pass in the first drive. Too nice to stay in. Way too many penalties and mistakes. Should have won by thirty points. That was basically what the normally boastful Rex said too. I thought Geno looked good except for the fumble. Even the INT didn't bother me too much, Geno thought he could fit it in there and Woodson had to dive infront of Decker to make the play, these things happen and were not as bad as last year's INTs The defense looked fucking awesome. they allowed 1 drive at the end and a score when the offense turned it over very deep in Jets territory. Oakland could not run the ball AT ALL until the Jets were up 2 scores late and didn't care about the run and gave up a 10+ yarder. Od course, this was a rookie QB and Wall still looks like shit out there. I'm concerned about the Murderers Row of QBs the Jets face next 6 games (Rodgers, Stafford, Cutler, Manning, Rivers, Brady are the next 6 games)

Fman99 Sep 14 2014 07:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ugh. Marty Morningweg is a real dunderhead.

d'Kong76 Sep 14 2014 07:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I don't understand how something like that can happen. Only the head coach can call a time out from the sideline.

metirish Sep 14 2014 07:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I wouldn't wan to be Morningweg right now....have you ever seen that happen in that manner before?

d'Kong76 Sep 14 2014 08:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I don't think so, and it should be added to what can be reviewed in the future.

metirish Sep 14 2014 08:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I am confused though , only the head coach can call a time out?, yet have I not seen players call them all the time?

d'Kong76 Sep 14 2014 08:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

No, only guy not on the playing field (from the sideline). I'm sure this will be chewed on a lot tomorrow and maybe we'll get some clarification but I think I'm right.

Nymr83 Sep 14 2014 08:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Only the guys on the field and the HC on the sideline can call timeout. the ref fucked up. that being said, if the ref blew the whistle the play is dead even if it was by accident. Jets should have gotten the timeout back if that was the case though.

HahnSolo Sep 15 2014 08:31 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

For what it's worth... Mike Pereira ?@MikePereira If you get a last second timeout request (like in jets game), you grant it. You don't have time to turn around and see who is calling it. Also saw Pereira on video saying that with a snap imminent, the official will grant the timeout, even if they do not know who is calling it. Though a close look at the video it appears inconclusive that the timeout came before the snap.

Ceetar Sep 15 2014 08:32 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I wouldn't wan to be Morningweg right now....have you ever seen that happen in that manner before? According to this it HAS happened before. the punch line will amuse you: [url]http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/new-york-jets-timeout-marty-mornhinweg-rex-ryan-green-bay-packers

d'Kong76 Sep 15 2014 08:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

HahnSolo wrote: Though a close look at the video it appears inconclusive that the timeout came before the snap. Yeah, even with the enhanced audio on the replay there was no discernible whistle.

HahnSolo Sep 15 2014 08:59 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

That Rex/Ravens play was a famous gaffe. That was during New England's 16-0 season and Baltimore had 'em beat.

Vic Sage Sep 22 2014 03:18 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

with apologies to Mr. Sondheim... Tonight, tonight, The Jets will lose tonight, Tonight they will have no football star. Tonight, tonight, I'll see them lose tonight! And Gang Green, they won't get very far. Today, the game is not for hours, Even so my dog just cowers, My screams make him uptight. My team ain't bright, They run such stupid plays, and then fight... TONIGHT!

Nymr83 Sep 22 2014 06:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

'Bad Geno' showed up fast tonight

metirish Sep 22 2014 08:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

That TD just looked way too easy , as did the drive....

Fman99 Sep 22 2014 08:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

They are hurtful to my eyes and heart tonight.

metirish Sep 22 2014 08:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Gruden very blunt in his comments , I like it .....

Nymr83 Sep 22 2014 10:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

What did gruden say? The refs might as well have been wearing Bears hats tonight the way they called this game. But still the Jets fault with 2 really bad interceptions and 2 more passes that should have been.

Vic Sage Sep 23 2014 03:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

so they are going to be just good enough to stay in games this year, and just bad enough to blow them anyway. god, this year is going to suck.

Ashie62 Sep 23 2014 04:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

They will be bad enough to compete for the QB from Oregon, Marriota, with the first pick of the 2015 draft.

Frayed Knot Sep 23 2014 05:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: They will be bad enough to compete for the QB from Oregon, Marriota, with the first pick of the 2015 draft. Nah, they've already won one game which is enough to place them at least two games ahead of Jacksonville.

Ashie62 Sep 23 2014 07:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Poop.

Vic Sage Sep 24 2014 08:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: They will be bad enough to compete for the QB from Oregon, Marriota, with the first pick of the 2015 draft. if they were THAT bad, i'd actually be ok with that. but they're not bad enough to come in last, or really even the bottom 1/3. They'll end up somewhere between 6-10 and 9-7, without a shot at the top pick, and without much improvement. They're spinning their wheels in the quagmire of mediocrity, which is the worst possible place to be.

d'Kong76 Sep 24 2014 08:53 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'm not throwing in the wildcard towel just yet going into week four and only playing their first divisional game. If they can beat the Dolphins and go 2-2 in the first quarter, the Tuna Quarters as I call them, then it's something to build on for the second quarter. And Geno, think before you throw or don't throw. That screen pick was ugly, I had to turn away on the replay.

Ashie62 Sep 24 2014 01:53 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Walter football is one of the better scouting service out there and it is free. This is there 2015 NFL mock draft. The project the Jets picking 9th and taking RB Todd Gurley of Georgia. It is a fun read and an excellent resource tool.

d'Kong76 Sep 24 2014 06:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I can't believe there's an internet interest in a 2015 mock draft in week four of 2014. Is it gambling related? There has to be a reason they do it, but hell if I know what it is. The players who might get drafted have only played a handful of games in 2014.

Ashie62 Sep 24 2014 06:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

NFL war rooms likely look at this stuff everyday. You should see the sight during draft season. Real time mock changes. Pretty esoteric but I look at it as a fun read.

d'Kong76 Sep 24 2014 07:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: NFL war rooms likely look at this stuff everyday. You'd have a hard time convincing me that there are 2015 war rooms right now looking at these sites everyday. In the case of the Jets; the scouts, front office, and coaching staff better be concentrating on the Dolphins and not some senior in Oregon who may break his leg this Saturday. I may be wrong, but it sounds like this is fantasy and gambling related more than real football in September.

Ashie62 Sep 24 2014 08:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I believe teams scout out to 2016. Its not for you. I enjoy it.

d'Kong76 Sep 24 2014 08:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Perhaps, but not from war rooms searching the internet. Still think it's fantasy/gambling related more than actual teams researching for quality draft picks.

Ceetar Sep 25 2014 07:47 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: I can't believe there's an internet interest in a 2015 mock draft in week four of 2014. Is it gambling related? There has to be a reason they do it, but hell if I know what it is. The players who might get drafted have only played a handful of games in 2014. I think it's a Zeitgeist thing at this point. (Remember their's a "Draft Day" move coming out that's basically NFL propaganda I assume) The draft has been trumped up as an 'event' so much that all the machinations leading up to it are now fair game. I'm with you though, I feel the same way when people suggest the Mets punt the season in April to get a better draft pick.

d'Kong76 Sep 25 2014 06:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I don't know why I thought the Jets were playing the Dolphins, but it's the Lions.

d'Kong76 Sep 28 2014 10:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Oh crap, I think we drew the Goose today.

d'Kong76 Sep 28 2014 02:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: the Tuna Quarters as I call them 1st Quarter Scores: Off: F Def: B+

Edgy MD Sep 29 2014 07:43 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Geno should have clung to team tradition and gave it to the Jets fans the same way Richard Todd did.

Fman99 Sep 29 2014 07:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Is no one talking about the fact that they were down with less than 4 minutes to go, and had the ball, and punted on 4th and 2? That decision makes not a fraction of sense to me.

Vic Sage Sep 29 2014 03:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jalen saunders was cut today. So here's the tote board on this year's draft: 1/18: Calvin Pryor, S (Louisville) - They went for the SS over Dennard/CB and Cooks/WR, and some say it was a bit of a reach, but i like him. Safety was a need (not as much as WR and CB, but still a need), and Pryor was ranked by many as the top S in the draft, expected to go in the 2nd half of the 1st R, so i think it was both good value and a good fit. There is at least some question, however, whether this kind of hard hitter is being outlawed in the NFL, and whether Pryor has the ability to cover as well as hit. And I would've preferred Cooks, who was the exact type of WR we needed, or Dennard, the prototype press-cover2 CB we should have looked for, but i can't not like getting a guy like Pryor, who can knock muthafuckas out and change the tone of a game and will be our opening day starter. [B+] * Pryor has been ok so far, but not great. And he got hurt this week, injuring his thigh. He's been up and down, but may yet end up an impact player. Meanwhile Brandin Cooks is doing pretty well, and is the type of WR we still lack. 2/49: Jace Amaro, TE (Texas Tech) - A great pick. Cumberland is, at best, a mediocre TE. Amaro is the "big play" slot receiver we didn't get in round 1, and is a value pick in the middle of Round 2, so good for us. But he's not going to block anybody or help in the running game, so he'll have to be used primarily in 2-TE sets, which limits other things Ryan can do. But i'm picking nits. [A] * They've been slow to intergrate Amaro into the offense, but his role is increasing. He may well be worth the pick. 3/80: Dexter McDougle, CB (Maryland) - At this point i said "WTF?" This guy was rated by EVERYBODY who does this sort of thing for a living (expect Idzik, i guess) as a 5th-7th round pick, and we took him in the 3rd. Even if he was the best CB on the board at the time (he wasn't; he wasn't even in the top 25), and even if he had been a healthy productive player (he hadn't been), he was still the wrong KIND of CB, ill-equipped to step in and start opposite Milliner in game 1. He's a smallish quick CB, physical and a good tackler, but unable to press WRs at the line, giving up a lot of catches in front of him to protect against the deep ball (and that's assuming he stays healthier than he did in college). And at that point in round 3, there were literally 2 dozen other CBs higher ranked than (or equivalent to) McDougle. Not that there were any blue chippers still available at that point (they were all gone by then), but then why not take an impact WR like Montcrief, still sitting there on the board and still a glaring need as a #2 wideout, and wait until R4 to choose from among the cluster of similarly ranked CBs available with one of our three 4th-R picks? Even if Rex loved McDougle, there was no reason to think they couldn't have gotten him one round later, and even if not, then take Gaines, McGill, Aikens, Desir, or Breeland or the best available at that point. I don't think this guy can even beat out Wilson, and that's a damning thing to say about anybody. He may well be this year's Stephen Hill... a talented bust we hold onto too long because we overvalued him. [D] x - So the guy who was hurt in college is out for the year in NY. Shocker, right? Same deal with Milliner. CB with significant injury history still has injuries that inhibit his effectiveness. Meanwhile, we didn't draft or sign a FA CB worth a shit, and QBs are tearing us a new one week after week. 4/104: Jalen Saunders, WR/PR (Oklahoma) - We overdrafted again here. This tiny mite won't be able to play on the outside opposite Decker; he'll get pushed out of every play. He could be an effective slot receiver at some point (If Smith or Vick can even find him), but with Kerley and now Amaro, plus RB Johnson coming out of the backfield, that's not a glaring need. He may end up a good punt returner, and that's certainly useful, but at this point, there were still WRs available who could line up and do exactly what we needed. Bruce Ellington went 2 slots later and Robert Herron a few rounds after that, both of whom have more speed and at least have the strength to be a #2 WR and not just special teams guys. [C-] x - We overdrafted huge here, and after he muffed a PR, Saunders got benched and now he's cut. So of the 3 WRs we drafted (our biggest need coming into the season), one got cut, one is on IR for the season, and the 3rd is on the practice squad. yikes. 4/115: Shaq Evans, WR (UCLA) - A solid, productive possession receiver, but not great speed or a high ceiling, and Martavis Bryant was just sitting there (before going 3 picks later to Pitt). And CBs McGill, Desir and Aikens were still there, too, making the McDougle pick in R3 even worse. [C+] x - IR for the year; he wasn't making an impact in pre-season anyway, and may well have gotten cut or put on practice squad, if not for the injury. 4c/137: Dakota Dozier, T/G (Furman) - With the third of our 4th-R picks, we got solid value adding offensive line depth, picking up a small school LT who could step in at G for either Colon or Winters, should the need arise. Good call here (and a great name!), but we should have packaged some of these extra 4th and 6th R picks to move up and get either a starting-caliber CB or WR at some point, instead of settling for McDougle and Saunders. [B+] * - Hasn't played a snap, but he's still on the roster, at least. 5/154: Jeremiah George, ILB (Iowa State) - a slow and undersized LB, mostly here for special teams depth. There were some OLBs with higher ceilings still available, plus a promising DB like Aaron Exum, guard Jon Halapio, WR Matt Hazel, and QB David Fales (considered by many to be the best "late sleeper" QB pick in the draft), but Special Teams needs bodies, i guess. [C-] x - cut, signed on Practice squad, then signed by Jacksonville 6/195: Brandon Dixon, CB (NW Missouri State) - This guy could just as easily been an undrafted FA, but he's a physical CB who can contribute on ST, so Ok for a 6th R pick [C+] x - cut, then signed by Tampa. 6c/209: Quincy Enunwa, WR (Nebraska) - A big, strong receiver who could develop on the practice squad, which is all you can hope for at this point in the draft [C+] * signed to practice squad 6c/210: IK Enemkpali, DE/OLB (Louisiana Tech) - Not much talent here; he's strong, tough, hard-worker, but a slow and undersized pass-rushing end... why him over Sam? or anybody else? [C] * Hurt, but still here 6c/213: Tajh Boyd, QB (Clemson) - A lot of talent for a 6th R QB (he can run and make all the throws), but totally raw and unfamiliar with a pros system. He'll compete with Simms for 3rd-string QB slot and, as "Rex's guy", will likely win. But they could have had Fales (a better prospect) in the 5th, instead of George. [B] x - sucked so bad, he couldn't even get an NFL practice squad job 7/233: Trevor Reilly, OLB (Utah) - A 26-year old man against college boys, this pass rusher with a bad knee could actually help right away, which is great value in the 7th R [B+] * still on roster; has even played a little. So 8 of 12 picks are still on the roster, with 2 of them on IR, 1 on practice squad, 1 inactive, 1 active but hurt so far this year, and only 3 having played any snaps this year (pryor, Amaro and Reilly).

Ashie62 Sep 29 2014 06:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Worst than I thought. Add last years Milliner and Smith picks for full effect.

Nymr83 Sep 29 2014 10:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The Jets have drafted pretty poorly overall in the Rex Ryan era. They've probably been a little above average in yhe 1st round (the Wilkerson and Richardson picks were gold) but have missed horribly on high round picks like vlad ducasse and stephen hill. The 2009 and 2010 drafta where they claimed to trade quantity of pivks for quality were horrendous.

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2014 03:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

So...., when does the Knicks' season start?

d'Kong76 Oct 05 2014 05:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

At least last week they scored! Changing QB's at half-time was silly.

MFS62 Oct 05 2014 07:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Rex will tell that fans, "You wanted Vick. You got him". Ugh! Later

Vic Sage Oct 06 2014 08:20 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

In light of yesterday's Little-Big-Horn style massacre, i make this statement for the record: From the Meadowlands, to where the sun now stands, I will forgive Rex no more forever. The continuing mistakes, mental and physical, with ever-growing numbers of penalties and turnovers, combined with the panic move at half-time throwing an unready Vick to the wolves, as well as the "movie-gate" missed meeting situation, leads me to the conclusion that Rex has lost the control and respect of these players. Time for him to go. They have enough talent, at least on D, not to look that bad against anybody. On O, they complain about the "lack of weapons" but then only target Amaro (their only potential big play weapon) 3 times, while throwing to Salas (SALAS!) 7 times (he caught 2). Then they gave the ball to Ivory, who had a 5yd/carry average in the game (and 5.4yd avg for the season), only 9 times, yet still keep forcing the ball to C.J.no.K. despite the fact that all evidence indicates he's completely done. There is no discipline, no accountability, no plan. Sure, Rex has been set up to fail by Idzik, who kept his wallet in his pocket this off-season, leaving Ryan (thus undermanned at cornerback) to flounder and giving Idzik the excuse to bring in his own guy, despite Woody's obvious affection for Rex. But that's a fight for another day. Idzik's plan has worked. Rex is lost, and not even Vick could save him. We're looking down the barrel at 1-6, with Denver and NE coming up, and that will officially draw the curtain on the Ryan Regime. I've always liked Rex (and i hate nearly everything Idzik has done, other than Richardson), but its too late to save him or the season. They do this to me every fucking year. It's amazing. I long ago learned my lesson with the Mets and Knicks, always expecting disaster and being pleasantly surprised when they are a degree better than that. But for some reason, I keep thinking about the Jets that "this is the year!" And its always the same thing... the SAME. OLD. JETS. ..fuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthemfuckthem!

d'Kong76 Oct 06 2014 10:09 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Have to remember to DVR SNY's Open Mic show tonight at 6:30. Should be a doozie! Geno Smith missed meeting Saturday, Jets say it was 'honest mistake' By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer October 6, 2014 9:13 am ET As bad as Geno Smith was on the field on Sunday -- he got benched after halftime following a first half vs. the Chargers in which he completed 4 of 12 passes for 27 yards and one interception -- his previous seven days might have been even worse. First, the Jets quarterback cursed out a fan after New York lost to the Lions in Week 4, and on Saturday, the day before the Jets were dominated 31-0 by San Diego, he missed a team meeting, apparently upsetting some members of the organization, according to the NY Daily News. Early Monday morning, the team responded, confirming that Smith had missed team meeting on Saturday but calling it an "honest mistake." Wrote the Daily News: "According to the [Jets] spokesman, the quarterback 'got the times confused' and arrived 5-10 minutes after the meetings ended. He covered the details of the meetings with offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and quarterbacks coach David Lee. This was the first time that Smith had missed a meeting, according to the team." Not a huge deal, right? Especially since Jets coach Rex Ryan said after the Chargers game that he planned to start Smith next week vs. the Broncos (of course, it's also not a great thing when the starting quarterback misses a team meeting). But Smith reportedly got his time zones mixed up, which is why he missed the meeting in the first place. And there's this. “It was definitely a pathetic showing on my part,” Smith said while talking about the Chargers game. “I didn't help out at any point of the game…. So what I'm going to do is look myself in the mirror.” And while Michael Vick replaced Smith in the third quarter, the backup quarterback wasn't much better, completing 8 of 19 passes for 47 yards. If fans thought Vick could be the team's savior, they were quickly reminded that he seems to be well past his prime and incapable of making better a woeful Jets offense that has many other problems besides who's taking the snap. "It was a complete ass-whupping and it was me that was getting my ass kicked,” Ryan said. "... We could've had Joe Namath it wouldn't have been any different." It's unknown, though, whether Namath would have made the team meeting Saturday.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 06 2014 12:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I just can't take the local Jets analysis--- even the breaking news, I'd rather have delivered and filtered through national sources, for a minimal soupcon of perspective. All the local stuff is like the worst Met commentary-- especially the radio, and certainly including the SNY/Daily News shoutfests-- but bigger, louder, and dumber. Rex may not be the coach for this team, but, yeah, he's certainly been set up for failure by Idzik (who will get another year or two at least, and as such will rise or fall, ultimately-- and almost definitely fall-- on Geno's arm).

Ashie62 Oct 06 2014 04:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The Jets did not invest heavily in Geno. We may pick first or second.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 07 2014 05:35 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The Jets have certainly invested heavily in Geno. They don't have anyone who's long-term-viable behind him, do they?

d'Kong76 Oct 07 2014 09:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'm not sure what Ashie means, I don't see how they can be any more invested in Geno right now. Matt (son of Phil) Simms was a Jet at some point. Not sure if he still is around, and I don't think he's very highly thought of any longer? I don't think they even suit up a third QB. Who would take snaps if both Geno and Vick got sidelined?

Vic Sage Oct 07 2014 02:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

i think what Ashie means is that Geno wasn't a big 1st round pick; he was a 2nd, which i guess is more disposable, in his view. But while it's true that the Jets don't have the kind of long-term big $ commitment in Geno that big 1st round QBs used to get, the fact is most rookies don't get those kind of deals anymore. And its not like they drafted Bridgewater or some of the other QBs available for the Jets in the 1st Round this year, so they're going with Geno, at least for now. But we'll see if a real QB prospect is available to them next year when they draft near the top. I'm betting Idzik goes for one if such is available. He won't go down with Geno, if he can help it.

Ashie62 Oct 07 2014 07:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Getting drafted as a "franchise" quarterback does not grant the player time to develop and mature as it once did. Its' a passing league, get it dun now. Ask Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder and possibly even Ryan Tannehill already. When they don't perform out of the box you just get a new one.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 07 2014 10:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Fair point, I suppose. But Jake Locker's hurt. And Ponder had, like, a year and a half, and actually showed significant regression by the end of it. (And, also, the others are just, y'know, terrible.)

Vic Sage Oct 08 2014 11:12 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

If THEY'RE terrible, what do you call the QB with THE worst QB rating since he came into the league?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 08 2014 11:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The future of the Jets, obviously.

Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 11:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: If THEY'RE terrible, what do you call the QB with THE worst QB rating since he came into the league? Lousy, and apparently quite a knucklehead, even since the combine. Smith goes to his NFL interviews with sweats, a posse and answers questions between cell calls. IMHO He was selected by the Jets as a possible high ceiling guy without spending a higher pick or more money. The Raiders drafted Derek Carr from Fresno State in the first round this season. When the Raiders lose enough and fairly or unfairly tire of Carr they can have have Geno Smith, all you want! Looking for the Jets to spend their #1 on RB Todd Gurley GA or QB Jake Mariotta ORE. Later.

Ashie62 Oct 08 2014 12:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 08 2014 09:39 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Looking for the Jets to spend their #1 on RB Todd Gurley GA or QB Jake Mariotta ORE. I don't know about these guys. I don't know them too well. Do they wear sweats to press conferences?

Ashie62 Oct 09 2014 08:57 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

At the combine and pro days. Prospects are interviewed my many NFL teams. Consider it a pre-employment interview for a job where an employer would invest millions in you. LWFS, If you had such an interview I'm guessing you would wear your best business clothes right?

d'Kong76 Oct 09 2014 10:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

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RealityChuck Oct 09 2014 11:25 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

You know, it's stopped being funny. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 31854.html

Ashie62 Oct 09 2014 12:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

This is the May 2013 article on Geno Smith's behavior I have been alluding to. [url]http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/9239609/geno-smith-new-york-jets-remains-spotlight-all-wrong-reasons

d'Kong76 Oct 09 2014 12:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'll pass on the ESPN link, but... 2013: Geno Smith, who started all 16 games for the Jets, the only rookie quarterback in team history to do so. Smith passed for 3,046 yards, making him the first quarterback in Jets history and 13th in NFL history to throw for more than 3,000 yards in his rookie season.

Ashie62 Oct 09 2014 12:50 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2014 05:42 PM

d'Kong76 wrote: I'll pass on the ESPN link, but... 2013: Geno Smith, who started all 16 games for the Jets, the only rookie quarterback in team history to do so. Smith passed for 3,046 yards, making him the first quarterback in Jets history and 13th in NFL history to throw for more than 3,000 yards in his rookie season.

d'Kong76 Oct 09 2014 01:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 09 2014 01:30 PM

Which of these quarterbacks is acting like he wants the ball? “I learned a lesson last week: Always stay ready, always be prepared,” Vick said, per the Star-Ledger. “That left a bitter taste in my mouth, that I wasn’t able to go out and put points on the board or even help this team in any fashion. This week has been a different work week for me. I think throughout the rest of the year, it’s going to be totally different for me, as far as my preparation.” Read that quote again. It came from a 14-year veteran. Stunning. If that is uttered from the mouth of a first- or second-year backup, you know what? You write it off to youngster naivité; you chalk it up as a tough lesson learned. Isn't it also the job of the quarterbacks coach to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen? All the coaches? Geno is fair game because the team sucks and Vick certainly isn't going to be give a quarter-inch of slack by anyone on anything. Where was Bill Lee or Bob or whatever his name was?

d'Kong76 Oct 09 2014 01:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

David! http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches ... 40b32d6276

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2014 08:24 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Manning is six touchdown passes from the NFL career record this morning. Just saying. Eeeek!

Nymr83 Oct 12 2014 09:44 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Isn't it also the job of the quarterbacks coach to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen? All the coaches? Geno is fair game because the team sucks and Vick certainly isn't going to be give a quarter-inch of slack by anyone on anything. Where was Bill Lee or Bob or whatever his name was? yeah its on them too, but as a 14-year veteran who has started and even starred in this league it is mainly on YOU to prepare, the coaches shouldn't need to babysit you like some rookie. if Vick had been called on because of injury and Geno was effective i'd cut Vick for this bullshit. but since Geno has been bad you probably cant do that. we want Simms!

Frayed Knot Oct 12 2014 10:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: Manning is six touchdown passes from the NFL career record this morning. Think he'll need both halves?

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2014 10:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Think he'll need both halves? Hah! Ouch.

Ashie62 Oct 12 2014 10:35 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Denver 62 Jets 9

Ashie62 Oct 12 2014 11:29 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Score one for Geno, nice fade, 7-3 Jets.

metirish Oct 12 2014 11:50 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

watching the game and the Jets get credit for two sacks on Manning yet he went down without being touched , and the Jets player dancing around celebrating his sack.....don't get that credit .

Nymr83 Oct 12 2014 02:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jets looked better than expected, but its still another loss. Thursday night at new engalnd looks like a season-ending loss looming and maybe the end of the Ryan Era.

MFS62 Oct 12 2014 03:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: Jets looked better than expected, but its still another loss. Thursday night at new engalnd looks like a season-ending loss looming and maybe the end of the Ryan Era. At least it wasn't the rout some predicted. Small comfort, though. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 12 2014 04:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I didn't watch, but listened to most of the game. Couple of better plays and decisions on special teams might have made the difference today. But, it's over. Someone start a 2015 thread.

Ceetar Oct 12 2014 04:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: I didn't watch, but listened to most of the game. Couple of better plays and decisions on special teams might have made the difference today. But, it's over. Someone start a 2015 thread. or we could talk about the Giants, or the Islanders. Best two teams playing in 'NY' right now?

Ashie62 Oct 12 2014 07:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Giants are getting mauled by the Eagles.

Nymr83 Oct 12 2014 11:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Giants are getting mauled by the Eagles. I thoroughly enjoyed the night game as it will keep the Giants fans at the office quiet tomorrow about the Jets' demise. Yeah the Jets came close, but thats not much solace at 1-5, maybe if they'd won those winnable Green Bay & Detroit games I'd feel better about "close" today. New England thursday night = 1-6 and byebyeRex

Vic Sage Oct 15 2014 08:07 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Happily, i missed Sunday's game because i was at Comic Con. Now I must think of something to do that will keep me out of the house tomorrow night as well. On a different note, I see that Geno is now blaming the media... that's usually the beginning of the end for a player in this city. I only wish he'd take Idzik with him. His FA signings have sucked, his draft-picks have been disappointing, and despite sitting on $20m in cap space, we still have no professional starting CBs on the roster. Now whether he did this out of incompetence or because he's trying to undermine the coach (so he can bring in his own guy with the owner's blessing) doesn't really matter. He should be gone and he should take Geno with him.

Ashie62 Oct 15 2014 06:28 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Dee Milliner-bust.

d'Kong76 Oct 15 2014 06:56 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Link, please. OE: all I mean is let's not pile on highly rated players who weren't bad draft picks just because they've been hurt while we're discussing how bad the team drafts.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 15 2014 11:08 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Well, to be fair, one of the knocks on Milliner was that he had a checkered injury history prior to declaring for the draft.

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 07:32 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I just don't recall anyone saying it was a terrible pick at the time but perhaps I have selective memory. From that SportsDirect thing: 1. Brady is 6-0 all-time on Thursday and has thrown at least two touchdowns passes in four of his six Thursday starts. 2. The Jets have allowed points on all 18 opponent drives into the red zone, giving up 13 TDs and five field goals. 3. Brady has 11 career games with at least 350 passing yards and four TD passes, third-most in history behind Drew Brees (15) and Peyton Manning (13). 1-6 ... yikes!

Ashie62 Oct 16 2014 10:01 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Well, to be fair, one of the knocks on Milliner was that he had a checkered injury history prior to declaring for the draft. This, and his injury record as a Jet.

Ashie62 Oct 16 2014 10:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Every now and then the Jets rise up against the Pats. Make it so!

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2014 10:14 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: 1. Brady is 6-0 all-time on Thursday and has thrown at least two touchdowns passes in four of his six Thursday starts. Not that it makes the Jets any less likely to get smushed by the Pats tonight, but this media trend toward categorizing football games by the night of the week played and citing such records and stats as if reliable predictive factors is really dopey. ABC got the ball rolling on this during the early years of MNF but that was essentially a marketing ploy designed to create the idea that games on Monday night were substantially different from any other game being played. Now it's just copycat stupidity.

Ceetar Oct 16 2014 11:24 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: 1. Brady is 6-0 all-time on Thursday and has thrown at least two touchdowns passes in four of his six Thursday starts. Not that it makes the Jets any less likely to get smushed by the Pats tonight, but this media trend toward categorizing football games by the night of the week played and citing such records and stats as if reliable predictive factors is really dopey. ABC got the ball rolling on this during the early years of MNF but that was essentially a marketing ploy designed to create the idea that games on Monday night were substantially different from any other game being played. Now it's just copycat stupidity. Some tv station was doing a TGIT thing for it's thursday lineup and I rolled my eyes, much like the big TNF just makes me snicker.

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 11:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Every now and then the Jets rise up against the Pats. Make it so! It seems at least one of Pats games per year the Jets do find themselves at least in a spot to win or they do win. Can't believe this is the 7th game of the season and first divisional game. Who makes the sche- dule, but I suppose that's a different discussion?

Frayed Knot Oct 16 2014 01:40 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ceetar wrote: Some tv station was doing a TGIT thing for it's thursday lineup and I rolled my eyes, much like the big TNF just makes me snicker. Sure, but that's just station and/or network marketing which, while annoying perhaps, is totally expected. But it's when these sports writer/commentator clans latch onto these day-specific stats like they're passing along some sort of telling keys to the game that I start to feel like my intelligence is being insulted. Y'know why Brady has good stats on Thursday nights? ... because he's one of the top QBs ever you moron not because there's a day of the week connection!!! Logic will tell you that his stats are good on all days ending in a Y - but that's just a wild guess on my part.

Ceetar Oct 16 2014 02:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

well sure, but I do buy there might be some different in the quick-turnaround Thursday thing. Though why they couldn't figure out how to make most of those games feature the bye-week teams.. Not that it's anything new. Some of these same guys cite numbers against other team stats like what Brady put up against the Titans in '06 has some relevance to today's game.

MFS62 Oct 16 2014 03:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ceetar wrote: Not that it's anything new. Some of these same guys cite numbers against other team stats like what Brady put up against the Titans in '06 has some relevance to today's game. I've rooted for the Jets since they were the Titans. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 04:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I have a Sanchez Titans' jersey someone gave me I can sell ya real cheap! We're about the same size.

MFS62 Oct 16 2014 05:34 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: I have a Sanchez Titans' jersey someone gave me I can sell ya real cheap! We're about the same size. Pass. But thanks for the offer. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 06:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I was yolking. Sooner

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 07:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

When the ball hits your mitts Like you have pizza hands That's Amaro

d'Kong76 Oct 16 2014 09:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jets can't win on a blocked field goal attempt. No, really.

metirish Oct 16 2014 09:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I had hopes , dashed , heartbreaking?, no.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 17 2014 12:45 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

If any one of a handful of key plays-- unnecessary-and-borderline hold on a potential Smith-to-Kerley TD early, the 2-point conversion, the 3rd-and-19 TD to Amendola, et. al.-- had gone more Jetly, this is an inspiring comeback/upset win.

MFS62 Oct 17 2014 08:13 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Shitfuck. Later

Vic Sage Oct 17 2014 09:42 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

masochist that i am, i started to watch the game last night. So Brady throws like a 1000-yd touchdown on the 3rd play from scrimmage. I then turned off the TV and went on with my life. That they kept it close only to lose it in the end was not unexpected, nor particularly disappointing. This team never disappoints. S-O-J

d'Kong76 Oct 17 2014 09:46 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I watched the whole thing, they always find new ways to thrill the bile out of us! I won a case of beer from my buddy in Billerica who gave me 7 1/2 points. What a pal.

Ashie62 Oct 17 2014 04:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jets acquire Percy Harvin for a conditional draft pick. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24756771/report-seahawks-trade-wr-percy-harvin-to-jets

d'Kong76 Oct 17 2014 05:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Was gonna post this too. Kinda whack!?!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 17 2014 06:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

What the whatwhathuh? (On both counts. I mean, it's not like Seattle is hipdeep in potent-passing-game weapons.)

Ashie62 Oct 17 2014 07:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Salary dump?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Oct 17 2014 11:30 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Only guaranteed through end of this season, so...

d'Kong76 Oct 18 2014 04:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Harvin, true Jet: “I was looking around the locker room and I saw a lot of familiar names, a lot of guys I either played with in college or back in high school or even in the pros. Anywhere you can go somewhere and have some familiarity is big for me.”

Nymr83 Oct 19 2014 10:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

of all the close losses this one kinda hurt the most, there were so many plays that should or could have gone our way and we just didnt even look bad at any point other than the blown coverage on the Brady bomb (even the 19 yard 3 and goal didnt LOOK bad, it just was a bad result). Geno was even alright!

Ashie62 Oct 26 2014 02:51 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I would guess Mike Idzik is the safe guy and Rex will go at some point. The new people can figure out QB and RB. Plenty of talent coming around in April...

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2014 03:03 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: Geno was even alright! He threw three interceptions in like their first three possessions (might have been four). Alright? I listened to game outside, glad I didn't waste time in front of the tube. I just deleted the DVR of it.

Ashie62 Oct 26 2014 03:07 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

nymr was talking about last week.

Ashie62 Oct 26 2014 03:09 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: They will be bad enough to compete for the QB from Oregon, Marriota, with the first pick of the 2015 draft. Thought I would bump this.

d'Kong76 Oct 26 2014 03:24 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: nymr was talking about last week. d'oh![/bigpurple] Got a lot of oxygen this weekend.

MFS62 Oct 26 2014 03:25 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

That was humiliating. Later

Ashie62 Oct 26 2014 06:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nah, think back to Al Woodall.

MFS62 Oct 26 2014 07:17 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Nah, think back to Al Woodall. Woodall won some games, including a game at Minnesota against the vaunted Vikings. I remember Al Dorrow. (The Titans of New York) But today's performance reminded me of Ed Chlebek. Later

Nymr83 Oct 26 2014 08:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

i'm hoping for 1-15. Sorry Rex, you're a better coach than this, but Idzik hung you out to dry with this roster

Vic Sage Oct 27 2014 08:34 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

A normal team would go 1-15 now, and be in line for a #1 pick. But instead the Jets will now play Vick, when it no longer matters, and end up 3-13 or 4-12, missing out on whatever top QB prospect is expected to go 1st overall. Because that's the way the Jets do things. Otherwise, they couldn't make the pain last longer. I think Jets fans must have been Nazis in a former life, forced to pay for it in this one.

Ashie62 Oct 27 2014 08:48 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The German soccer team could beat the Jets right now.

Ashie62 Oct 27 2014 08:52 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Geno wants to learn. [url]http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/update/24770748/geno-smith-i-honestly-believe-that-i-can-turn-things-around

Ashie62 Oct 27 2014 09:39 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: A normal team would go 1-15 now, and be in line for a #1 pick. But instead the Jets will now play Vick, when it no longer matters, and end up 3-13 or 4-12, missing out on whatever top QB prospect is expected to go 1st overall. Because that's the way the Jets do things. Otherwise, they couldn't make the pain last longer. I think Jets fans must have been Nazis in a former life, forced to pay for it in this one. You are right. They do have Tennessee left.

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2014 11:51 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Don't try this at home, they are trained professionals... http://deadspin.com/this-failed-trick-p ... 1651213791

HahnSolo Oct 27 2014 12:43 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Today's Idzik conference was so clueless and tone deaf that I thought I had been transported to the Gutman/Hess days.

HahnSolo Oct 27 2014 12:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

How bad was Geno yesterday? His best drive was a three and out. Ya can't make it up!!!!!

batmagadanleadoff Oct 27 2014 02:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: A normal team would go 1-15 now, and be in line for a #1 pick. But instead the Jets will now play Vick, when it no longer matters, and end up 3-13 or 4-12, missing out on whatever top QB prospect is expected to go 1st overall. Because that's the way the Jets do things. Otherwise, they couldn't make the pain last longer. I agree with this one hundred percent. No -- a million percent. A gazillion percent. But weren't you the one who wrote long and passionate anti-tanking posts in the wake of Jose Reyes taking himself out of the game after the first inning on his last day as a Met to secure the batting title?

Vic Sage Oct 27 2014 03:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

i don't remember writing any anti-tanking anything. What Reyes did that year wasn't tanking... it was trying to back into an accomplishment he should earn on the field by sitting on his ass. Sure, he owes it to the fans to play every inning of every game as if it were his last. But his playing or sitting wasn't going to affect the long-term health of the franchise, like playing yourself out of a #1 pick does in football and basketball. Taking himself out of that game was purely about him achieving (or, rather, choosing not to fail to achieve) some personal milestone that was meaningless to the team's success. It was cowardly, gutless, selfish bullshit. What that has to do with the Jets i have no idea. As for the aforementioned football club, they should play kids and marginal guys to see what they have, and preserve the health of vets they'll need next year. Lets see Chris Simms, behind Dozier, Freeman, Oboushi and Ijalana, with Sudfeld on the end, throwing to Harvin, Hakim, Powell and Salas. Lets see Douzable and TJ Barnes on the D line, in front of Edds, Reilly and Enemkpali, with Josh Thomas and Philip Adams lining up at CB, and Cal Pryor moved inside to FS. And if we don't win any more games, then we don't, but we'll learn something about our roster and be in position to draft better next year. Even if i were a fan that actually bought tix to games, i'd still be happier to see them figure stuff out with prospects and maybes, while saving Mangold, Ferguson, Decker, Richardson and Wilkerson for next year.

metirish Oct 27 2014 04:02 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

HahnSolo wrote: Today's Idzik conference was so clueless and tone deaf that I thought I had been transported to the Gutman/Hess days. It caused an epic diatribe from Francesa http://deadspin.com/radio-host-mike-fra ... socialflow

d'Kong76 Oct 27 2014 05:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

There's no way I could listen to him on a regular basis but it pretty amusing when he gets into fifth gear sometimes.

batmagadanleadoff Oct 27 2014 05:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 27 2014 05:15 PM

Vic Sage wrote: What that has to do with the Jets i have no idea. Because in your 10:00 post, I thought you were hoping that the Jets would tank the rest of this season for draft position. And I also thought that you were dead against team-tanking based on what I remembered you writing in the Reyes batting crown thread from three years ago. (Admittedly, I went by memory and didn't review those old Reyes threads before posting). So I was interested in figgerin' what happened that you would change your heartfelt position against tanking since then. But after reading your follow up post, I don't know where you stand on tanking, Mets or Jets.

metirish Oct 27 2014 05:15 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Oh yeah, I never tune in to the Fan but have a laugh at rants like this ....

Ashie62 Oct 27 2014 05:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Theres always a place for a good rant.

metsmarathon Oct 28 2014 07:03 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

football is the one sport in which it makes the most sense to tank. (well, i think it's hte one sport - i don't know much about hockey and soccer.) basketball, thanks to the lottery system, doesn't guarantee the worst team the best player, although the lebron jameses and kevin durants can impact their team's fortunes almost immediately. in baseball, the worst team is guaranteed the shot and who they deem the best player, but that player does not impact the team immediately, but there's rarely an obvious generational player like mike trout who pans out famously right off hte bat. in football, however, if you can be the worst team in hte right year, you can get an andrew luck, who can play immediately, and affect your team's fortunes for the next decade (or more). there's some risk of bust, obviously, but it's almost certainly worht the risk if hte right player is there. .... that press conference was lunacy. i listened to much of it, and all i got from it was, that everyone on the jets payroll, from the coach to the players to the medical staff to the parking lot attendants, is doing a fantastic, excellent job, to the best of their abilities, and to the highest level imagineable. except for idzik himself, whose job performance is reflected dierectly in the record. except that he didn't make any actual mistakes and there's nothing he can point to that he actually did wrong. how he can finish the press conference still in hte employ of hte jets is beyond me.

Frayed Knot Oct 28 2014 07:27 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

metsmarathon wrote: in baseball, the worst team is guaranteed the shot and who they deem the best player, but that player does not impact the team immediately, but there's rarely an obvious generational player like mike trout who pans out famously right off hte bat. And it's not like Trout was obvious at the time. Yeah he was a 1st round pick but was also passed over 24 times (including once by the Angels themselves) before being selected. As of now, 5-1/2 years after that draft, eight (1/3) of the guys selected ahead of him have yet to see a day in the majors. The other thing about tanking in the NFL is that, with the entry level salaries essentially rigged to the point where there's no room for the player to negotiate, it's not like the higher draft pick is going to cost you all that much more than a lesser choice. The rules have taken most of the risk out of it for the teams; if the player out-performs his expectations then the team has him locked into a particular rate for the first 3-4 years, and if he under-performs then the team can cut him and not owe the remainder of the deal.

RealityChuck Oct 28 2014 07:30 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nah. Football is much harder to turnaround with one pick. A football team consists of 22 regulars (offense and defense and not counting special teams). One player is only 4.5% of the people on the field. A QB might make more difference than other positions, but a QB is not going to turn the team around if his offensive line sucks and he has no decent receivers, and if the defense is full of holes. It's a good start, but not enough. If the Jets picked the top QB in the draft next year, they still would have so many problems that it wouldn't make a difference. In basketball, BTW, each player is 20% of the starting five. That can make a great deal of difference; if you pick another starter in the second round, your team can do a quick turnaround. Baseball and hockey players don't go to the majors immediately, so the draft is always a long-term thing.

Ashie62 Oct 28 2014 08:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

RealityChuck wrote: Nah. Football is much harder to turnaround with one pick. A football team consists of 22 regulars (offense and defense and not counting special teams). One player is only 4.5% of the people on the field. A QB might make more difference than other positions, but a QB is not going to turn the team around if his offensive line sucks and he has no decent receivers, and if the defense is full of holes. It's a good start, but not enough. If the Jets picked the top QB in the draft next year, they still would have so many problems that it wouldn't make a difference. In basketball, BTW, each player is 20% of the starting five. That can make a great deal of difference; if you pick another starter in the second round, your team can do a quick turnaround. Baseball and hockey players don't go to the majors immediately, so the draft is always a long-term thing. But in football you get at least seven picks and theoretically all are supposed to make the 54.

Vic Sage Oct 28 2014 10:32 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

batmagadanleadoff wrote: What that has to do with the Jets i have no idea. Because in your 10:00 post, I thought you were hoping that the Jets would tank the rest of this season for draft position. And I also thought that you were dead against team-tanking based on what I remembered you writing in the Reyes batting crown thread from three years ago. (Admittedly, I went by memory and didn't review those old Reyes threads before posting). So I was interested in figgerin' what happened that you would change your heartfelt position against tanking since then. But after reading your follow up post, I don't know where you stand on tanking, Mets or Jets. i'm against tanking in baseball, because the draft is such a crap shoot, and takes a long time to determine its success. In football and basketball, draft picks make an immediate impact and can turn a franchise around more quickly. While i don't advocate teams lose ON PURPOSE, i do think they should have other, more long-term, goals in mind, once a season is lost. They should play the guys they're trying to figure out and see if they can play, rather than vets whose value is known. The Jets were in "win now" mode when the season started. That was when it made sense to play Vick, not Geno. Now, with the season lost, they're sitting Geno and going to Vick... why? What is another win or 2 going to do for them, except hurt their draft position? Now is the time you play the untested guys... Simms, whoever, and try to figure some stuff out before going into next year's draft. But these are the J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS so they do everything bass-ackwards.

RealityChuck Oct 28 2014 03:41 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

There's no point in worrying about the first draft pick. The Raiders have that sewn up (they lost to the Jets, for God's sake).

d'Kong76 Oct 28 2014 05:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Good point, let's go Raiders!

Nymr83 Oct 28 2014 08:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nah. Football is much harder to turnaround with one pick. Basketball is the easiest to turnaround with one start, but football is probably easier than baseball given the immediacy of reaching the pros and the impact a QB can have IF you get lucky and there is a good one that year. *pun totally intended i'm against tanking in baseball, because the draft is such a crap shoot, and takes a long time to determine its success. exactly how i feel.

metsmarathon Oct 29 2014 06:58 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

basketball is the easiest to turn around in one pick, for the most part, but thanks to the lottery, you're not rewarded for fully tanking your season the way you are in football. there's risk that you'll have the worst season, need the best player, but get hte 4th pick. in football, the worst team gets the first pick. some years, that's a slam dunk immediate franchise rescue. other years it's jamarcus russell... in basketball, i would guess that it's much more likely than hte other major sports, for the best player in the draft to be drafted with teh first pick, but i haven't done a statistical analysis to attest to the fact. but again, tanking hte season to get that pick doesn't work so well all the time.

metirish Oct 30 2014 07:32 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Eric Decker takes to Twitter to ask #JetsNation to tell him why they love the #NYJets using the hashtag #jets diehardfan, hilarity ensues http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2250 ... g-national http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ity-ensues well intentioned though

batmagadanleadoff Oct 30 2014 09:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

metirish wrote: Eric Decker takes to Twitter to ask #JetsNation to tell him why they love the #NYJets using the hashtag #jets diehardfan, hilarity ensues http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2250 ... g-national http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ity-ensues well intentioned though BTDT. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21876

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2014 02:29 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

And that's eight in a row! Thank you sir, can we have another?

Ashie62 Nov 02 2014 03:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

And nine in a row would be a franchise record.

d'Kong76 Nov 02 2014 04:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Something to root for!

Frayed Knot Nov 03 2014 10:06 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

NYJ Touchdown passes this season (Smith + Vick + Simms) = 8 Ben Roethlisberger Touchdown passes in the last 8 days = 12

Vic Sage Nov 03 2014 12:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The QB that the dreadful NYJ secondary has to play against this Sunday = Ben Roethlisberger Check, please!

d'Kong76 Nov 09 2014 01:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

When was the last time you saw a 3rd and 46? A 4th and 37?

MFS62 Nov 09 2014 02:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Holy Shit! Later

metirish Nov 09 2014 04:49 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed a Jets game as much as today, swarming defense , big plays all around....in the big scheme of things it it means likely not much but with a packed stadium and a lot of Steelers fans the atmosphere seemed to be great.

Frayed Knot Nov 20 2014 09:13 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Jets v Bills @ Detroit, Monday 7:00

Nymr83 Nov 21 2014 06:59 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Frayed Knot wrote: Jets v Bills @ Detroit, Monday 7:00 annoyingly early, doesn't the NFL know new yorkers have to commute home forever?

themetfairy Nov 21 2014 07:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

On the other hand, schoolkids have a shot at being able to watch the whole thing before their bedtimes.

d'Kong76 Nov 24 2014 06:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I could get used to 7:00 MNF games very easily. May contain brief nudity: [youtube:1jqi0ti3]x6F70Kkz-jU[/youtube:1jqi0ti3]

dgwphotography Nov 25 2014 01:23 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

You just know that this is going to lead to a Monday night doubleheader in the next TV package...

Nymr83 Nov 25 2014 06:19 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

dgwphotography wrote: You just know that this is going to lead to a Monday night doubleheader in the next TV package... I dont think the jets did anything to inspire that idea!

Frayed Knot Nov 25 2014 07:04 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The NFL already does a double east coast/west coast set of Monday night games in the first week of the season, and there's no doubt that they (along with some fans) would like to get more games into 'stand alone' time slots rather than in competition with other games. But if they were going to do this on a weekly basis then they'd want them to not overlap which pushes game 1 into a slot too early for west coast viewers and game 2 too late for the east - and if the result isn't going to be more eyeballs on TV sets then it's unlikely they'd go to it on a full-time basis.

Vic Sage Nov 25 2014 11:54 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 26 2014 11:22 AM

wow. every time i think they can't suck worse, they do. That's quite an accomplishment, in and of itself. chant with me now: WE WANNA QUARTERBACK WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER HACK! THE GUYS WE PICK JUST MAKE US SICK TIME TO FIRE JOHN IDZIK! WE ARE TIRED OF OUR TEAM BLOWIN' GO AND GET US A SAMOAN! ALL THE GUYS ON OUR TEAM SUCK TIME TO GO AND GET A DUCK! 5 MORE TO LOSE TO HAVE A CHANCE AT THE GUY WHO WEARS THE BIG BOY PANTS! NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO GO TA THAT FELLOW THEY CALL MARIOTA!

Fman99 Nov 25 2014 08:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Low tide this past week.

Frayed Knot Nov 25 2014 08:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

So I caught up with some highlights today (didn't see the game) and apparently at one point the Bills rushed the punter with only one man ... and still blocked the fucking punt?!?!?!

Elster88 Nov 30 2014 09:33 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Trivia: name the four players who have played quarterback for the Jets that played quarterback at either Alabama or Auburn This was on during the Iron Bowl yesterday. Three of the four are pretty easy for a Jet fan.

Ashie62 Nov 30 2014 10:10 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Joe Willie Todd McElroy Dick Wood (first Jet td pass at Shea.)

Vic Sage Dec 01 2014 03:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

with apologies to cole porter: Another Monday, another foe, Whether Bears, KC, or Buffalo It's time again for the Jets to go to another Monday with another foe. Another beating, just like the last Will make these losers roll over fast Another pain where the ulcers grow, Another Monday with another foe. For weeks, they're getting worse and worse, More weeks, and its just like they are cursed, This week, will they show any fight? So its off to Miami to play Monday Night! The pre-game show is about to start, But I'll just clip my nails and let out a fart, It's show time folks... just say it ain't so Cuz its another Monday and we really blow.

d'Kong76 Dec 01 2014 04:10 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Thankfully, it goes past my bedtime.

Ashie62 Dec 01 2014 05:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Miami is playing very well..

Fman99 Dec 01 2014 06:14 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Watching the Jets each week is like watching the scene from Reservoir Dogs where Mr. Blonde cuts up the kidnapped cop, over and over again.

Ashie62 Dec 02 2014 06:44 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: Joe Willie Todd McElroy Dick Wood (first Jet td pass at Shea.) I'm giving myself the points here.

Ashie62 Dec 07 2014 08:58 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The Raiders are our new best friends.

Nymr83 Dec 07 2014 10:16 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

after another heart-breaker the Jets are one of FIVE teams sitting at 2-11. The Raiders (Carr), Titans (Mettenberger?), Jaguars (Bortles), and Bucaneers (McKown/Glennon) could all pick ahead of us and the REdskins (RGIII/Cousins) have a shot still at 3-10. How many of these teams want a QB? I'd think any of them could fall in love with a guy and jettison what they have, but none are as desperate as the J-E-T-S.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Dec 07 2014 10:45 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Right now, the Jets are apparently sitting at No. 4, due to the strength-of-schedule tiebreak (Jets at .549), with the Buccaneers, Titans, and Jaguars sitting in front of them in the 1-3 slots, respectively.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2014 10:31 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

But would you trade that #1 pick for Jim Harbaugh? Even if that trade would be destined to ultimately benefit the Jets, it's the kind of trade most fans would dislike, I would think.

Vic Sage Dec 08 2014 10:55 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

No coach is worth a 1st round pick. Of the teams ahead of us, Jacksonville and Oakland just took 1st round QBs last year, and they are still evaluating. I doubt they'd go that way again so soon. Mettenberger? a lower pick, injured, untested. They might take a shot at Mariotta. But the most likely team is TB, in desperate need of a QB, and likely to draft 1 or 2. Best bet for the Jets is, if they like the ocal guy Jameis Winston, to trade up with them so they can get their guy plus extra picks and we can get Mariotta. First step: lose to Tennessee next week. Go Titans!

batmagadanleadoff Dec 08 2014 11:01 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Vic Sage wrote: No coach is worth a 1st round pick. No coach? Would you trade a first round pick for a trip to the Super Bowl? Because that's what the Bucs gave to get Jon Gruden and an immediate Super Bowl Championship season. And that's what New England traded to get Bill Belichick.

Ashie62 Dec 08 2014 05:55 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

You might go up one when and Griffin gets traded.

Nymr83 Dec 08 2014 08:05 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Vic Sage wrote: No coach is worth a 1st round pick. No coach? Would you trade a first round pick for a trip to the Super Bowl? Because that's what the Bucs gave to get Jon Gruden and an immediate Super Bowl Championship season. And that's what New England traded to get Bill Belichick. New England won because Mo Lewis planted Bledsoe on his ass and ended his time in Foxboro. If that hit doesnt happen Brady never plays, washes out of the league a few years later like so many other backups, and takes Belichick with him.

Ashie62 Dec 14 2014 12:26 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

QB Marcus Mariota of Oregon wins the Heisman. Welcome to our new Jets QB. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24885136/oregon-qb-marcus-mariota-wins-heisman-trophy

MFS62 Dec 14 2014 02:01 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Ashie62 wrote: QB Marcus Mariota of Oregon wins the Heisman. Welcome to our new Jets QB. [url]http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24885136/oregon-qb-marcus-mariota-wins-heisman-trophy If you can figure out a way to ensure that the Jets get him, I promise to read more of your posts. Later

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2014 05:20 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Only the Jets can win a 16-11 game when everyone wanted them to lose.

MFS62 Dec 14 2014 06:23 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 14 2014 06:32 PM

Even when they win, they lose (wrt draft position). But they are athletes with pride, if nothing else. They play to win. And they should. And if I were in a position to do it, I'd ban any writer from the locker room whose column tomorrow says they should have not played to win, because they don't understand athletes. Later

Ashie62 Dec 14 2014 06:27 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Goodbye Mariotta.

d'Kong76 Dec 14 2014 06:48 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Not saying they should intentionally tank, MFS. 16-11 is an odd football score. Google it.

MFS62 Dec 14 2014 06:54 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: Not saying they should intentionally tank, MFS. 16-11 is an odd football score. Google it. Not talking about you, Kase. We both are destined to suffer with the Jets. I was talking about the writers. Yes, it was weird, especially with a 5 point spread (the line when I looked during the week). A wash makes money for the bookies. Later

Vic Sage Dec 14 2014 08:31 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

d'Kong76 wrote: Only the Jets can win a 16-11 game when everyone wanted them to lose. this. so this. They finally played a team even stupider and more incompetent than themselves. Hard to believe there was such a team out there somewhere, but there you go. I was screaming during that last play, when Landry finally pushed the ball carrier out at the 5-yrd line with no time left on the clock. The Jets secondary has sucked all year (no fault of theirs; most of them shouldn't be starting players in the NFL), but NOW they make a play? S.O. Fucking J.

Vic Sage Dec 15 2014 08:34 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Rex called out us Jets fans during post-game interview, saying anybody who was rooting for them to lose wasn't a "real Jets fan". Look, i totally get where he was coming from. Its not in a coach or player's nature to ever see the good in a loss. They are such competitive people that they became professional athletes, a position of such rarified air that those who are not obsessively driven to win are weeded out long before they get to the NFL. They want to and expect to win every time they take the field, and i wouldn't have it any other way. And Rex knows he's gone... the "long term" has no meaning for him, if it ever did. He wants wins to show his team didn't quit, thus justifying future employment. But fans have a long view. Long after Rex has retired to a cushy job on TV, and long after Geno Smith tells his grandkids that, yes, i once played in the NFL, I as a Jets fan will still be rooting for the laundry, hoping that THIS will be the year. "wait til next year," Dodger fans would say, with resentful bitterness hiding a core of optimism. And over the years, we learn that some years you're in it, and some years you're not, so the best thing we can hope for is that the team at least is heading in the right direction. It turns "wait til next year," from a dour lament into a badge of honor. And to head in the right direction, sometimes you have to take a step back to take 2 steps forward. If players and coaches are focused on winning the battle, then its a GM's job to win the war. And Idzik has recruited a moron army to do so, with him as the head moron. So fans have to hope to simply survive the war, and hope the next general has a better plan for the next war. Because, just like in life, there is always another war to win. So I'm not mad at Rex for dissing me... I get it. But he'll be gone next year, and I'll still be here, still thinking every autumn that "THIS will be the year!" He'll be exchanging jokes with Chris Berman telling us why the Jets still suck, or off coaching another team to try and beat the Jets, and I'm still stuck in the swamp clinging to my green and white buoy, hoping for a great man to come along and save me. Cuz Rex, you weren't the one.

MFS62 Dec 21 2014 02:38 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Rex will be an excellent defensive coordinator for some other team. Later

d'Kong76 Dec 21 2014 02:46 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Quality losses in December! J E T S jets jets jets!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 21 2014 03:35 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

All they had to do was not get sacked.

Nymr83 Dec 21 2014 10:21 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: All they had to do was not get sacked. getting sacked on 3rd down at the edge of field goal range seems like the "Geno Special" kinda like fumbling was for Sanchez

batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2014 08:06 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

A reader's response in the Grantland mailbag after the Jets defeated the Titans last week: Q: The Jets are so incompetent that we cannot even lose games when we need to. Losing was our biggest strength as an organization, the skill that might have landed us our savior, Marcus Mariota, but now we get to draft some anonymous right tackle and suck for another five years. Bill Simmons, you will never understand the struggle of the life of a Jets fan. —Tyler, Washington, D.C.

MFS62 Dec 28 2014 03:00 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

You can't make this stuff up. They win! They win! Later

d'Kong76 Dec 28 2014 07:06 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Kinda sad watching them today. I liked Rex for the most part, obviously his players always did too.

Nymr83 Dec 28 2014 10:12 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The Rex-Watch probably won't last long, he'll be gone tomorrow. I hope they fire Idzik first and at least give the new GM the option of Rex. As for players, the Jets needs have only increased since last offseason- Quarterback is Still the #1 need, but there is nobody out there in free agency. Geno Smith muddied the water today with a performance that has to give ammunition to his supporters in the organization, but if Idzik and his team are shown the door he may have no supporters left. He'll be back next year thanks to an affordable contract at least as the backup and likely with a chance to win the job in camp unless the Jets go out and go crazy trading for a Jay Cutler or something. Michael Vick will move on and Simms can have the #3 job again. at Runningback Chris Ivory is a beast, he runs hard, bowls people over and is just plain awesome. His new platoon partner will likely be someone else other than Chris Johnson. Powell should be back and I love Connor at fullback. Given the Jets needs, I doubt they take a runningback in the first 3 rounds or invest in an expensive one via trade/free agency. for the Wide Receivers I like Decker enough and Kerley is what he is, worth having on the roster if he doesnt get more expensive. Percy Harvin was a failed experiment. the Jets could look here early on draft day especially if the big QBs arent available to them. the offensive line has degraded significantly since the days of Thomas and Tomlinson running the ground-and-pound and Mark Sanchex mostly only ending up on his ass when it was his own fault. They may still need a permanent solution at RT and need to get younger and better at Guard. Colon is wayyyyy past his prime and his name has become synonymous with "holding" They need help in the return game. Kerley is "Mr Fair Catch" on punts and everyone else is an adventure trying to hold onto the ball. Quigley is fine. I think I'm ready to say goodbye to Folk if someone better is available. On the defensive side, Wilkerson & Richardson are MVP type players with Harrison also an excellent player up front. Douzable and Ellis are better than everyone elses backup/rotation guys and I was pretty happy with Couples when someone was hurt or when they used him in a 4-man front. at Linebacker, Coples showed he really belongs at 4-3 Defensive End. Davis stepped up with what I felt was a good season. they are getting too old here and its probably time to show Pace and part-timer Babin the door. Harris is a free agent and giving money to an aging middle linebacker would be crazy. at safety, some kind of rotation of Landry, Jarrett, Allen (he looks good when playing his actual position) and Pryor wont make any probowls but they'll be good enough to get the job done. Pryor looked lost alot on his rookie year when asked to play deep coverage but looked good in the role he is comfortable with- hitting people. whether an "in the box safety" is still a valuable comodity in this pass-happy league is another question. cornerback? oy. hopefully Milliner comes back healthy as he was starting to look ok. they'll get the 3rd rounder McDougle who never made the field back too in what will essetially become a do-over rookie year. Marcus Williams came on late in the year and looked like he belongs on an NFL roster (somewhere on the bench, but still an improvement for the Jets). Maybe they'll finally cur bait with disappointing former 1st rounder Kyle Wilson? I'd rank the needs as follows, but you can't just go into the draft and take a guy because he fills a need, the talent needs to be there: Quarterback, Cornerback, Wide Receiver, Outside Linebacker (pass rusher but a guy who can drop in coverage at least a little bit, not another guy who belongs at 4-3 DE), Tackle/Guard. they'll probably need a starter at middle linebacker as well if Harris is allowed to walk.

MFS62 Dec 29 2014 07:05 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

That was a good analysis of the team's needs. But other than some defensive front seven players and a still possible quarterback, Idzik wiffed on a high percentage of his draft picks. Some selections over the past two years made little or no contribution to the team. He had slightly better luck drafting players than Mickey Rooney had picking wives. Later

Frayed Knot Dec 29 2014 07:18 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Nymr83 wrote: The Rex-Watch probably won't last long, he'll be gone tomorrow. I hope they fire Idzik first and at least give the new GM the option of Rex. Annnnnnd both are gone.

Nymr83 Dec 29 2014 07:36 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

The Jets made a bunch of mistakes the last few years, culminated by the Ryan firing today. Rex Ryan was never the problem. He never had a good quarterback, he never even had a decent quarterback. John Idzik was one of the worst GMs ever and pretty much tanked this season. Unlike the Bucaneers, the Jets didnt pull their starters and lose on purpose for the #1 pick (seriously, the NFL should punish Tampa for what happened Sunday), the GM might have been trying to lose but the players played hard for Ryan until the very end.

d'Kong76 Dec 29 2014 09:00 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

Pictured is Charley Casserly, our new savior who will help pick the new GM, etc. Reminds me of someone, can't put my finger on it...an actor?

d'Kong76 Dec 29 2014 10:02 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... led-tenure

HahnSolo Dec 30 2014 02:37 PM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

I'm not thrilled with the idea that they're starting to plan coach interviews before a GM is in place. And I really don't like that Kubiak and Tom Cable are two of the coaching names I've seen pop up. I'm liking the thought of Mike Maccagnan, the college scouting guy from the Texans who is on their shortlist for GMs. But that's almost totally based on this, where I think he comes off as pretty knowledgeable...[url]http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...13-draft/16e0560b-38af-4470-bfff-c32515415954 I'd be interested in interviewing Darrell Bevell, though a buddy of mine out in Seattle says he has his detractors out there among the fan base. I also would't turn my back on Josh McDaniels; yes, he got fired in Denver and yes, he has Belichick stench on him (and the Belichick coaching tree hasn't set the world on fire); but he did start a season 6-0 with Kyle Orton as his QB, and he is a bit more mature now. Definitely worth an interview. Another guy who won't come back here, but in the right spot (with a solid front office) I think could resurrect his career, is Eric Mangini. Guy is still young, and has been on the 49ers staff the last couple years. As long as he doesn't have the dual roles of GM and coach, and as long as he lightens up a bit, he's got a great football mind.

Vic Sage Dec 31 2014 07:16 AM Re: J-E-T-S Jets! Jets! Jets! 2014 Thread

now that Harbaugh is off the table, i can't think of a single coaching candidate to whom the Jets should give total control over player personnel. Therefore, they're going to need a quality GM. And they're not going to GET a quality GM if they already have a coach in place. Hey Woody Shit-for-Brains, hire a fucking GM first, you ass-clown.