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Met Debt Reset
John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 30 2014 08:35 PM |
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http://nypost.com/2014/01/30/new-loan-c ... -problems/
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 30 2014 08:48 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
Wow, if this is true, it's terrible news for Howard Megdal.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 30 2014 08:51 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
I will gamble on the bolded text as fuel for a year or two's worth of "see, they weren't forthcoming" articles. But yes, the possibility of a refinance is barely even approached in his reports.
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d'Kong76 Jan 30 2014 08:58 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
The thing that bothers me about these types of
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Ashie62 Jan 30 2014 09:49 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
Its' always hard to tell the financial status of privately held companies.
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Zvon Jan 30 2014 09:55 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
They don't have to spend 140 mill to pacify me. But they have to be able to afford to be on the north side of a 100million. If they can't, they can't afford the team. It's as simple as that.
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TransMonk Jan 31 2014 04:53 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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I thought the same while reading.
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Benjamin Grimm Jan 31 2014 06:35 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
Is this the first time that this lender-imposed payroll ceiling has become public knowledge? Or did I just miss it somehow? (I confess, I haven't been doing anything more than briefly skimming those thousands of Megdal articles that have been posted here.)
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Ceetar Jan 31 2014 07:24 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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I hadn't heard that before either. But I'm having trouble discerning if that's something new the Post is discovered or an assumption based on allusions and comments from ownership/Sandy/etc. But it doesn't really matter, because Kong's right, there is 7 sets of books. They've been using one to make it look like they lost 10 million last year, but they likely could've reworked it, factored in SNY money, or assigned something to this account rather than that account and make it look like they had 10 more million they could've spent on the team without hitting a supposed loan-imposed cap.
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MFS62 Jan 31 2014 07:35 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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Whan you go to the banks to (re)finance $250 million in debt, you have to provide them with a VERY specific business plan, down to the penny. I can't believe the line item for payroll expense hasn't been specified on all prior loan applications. How much can the Mets spend? We don't need to find a leak in the Front Office. We need to find a leak at the banks. LAter
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Edgy MD Jan 31 2014 07:48 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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But it's not really about what they're willing to pay. They have to set salary at a level that will allow the organization to eventually break even, or else they will continue to have trouble paying down their debt, leveraging their other entities. Spending money that they weren't getting back (which they were doing for years but few fans appreciated) with the hope that a championship or two will make up for it was a workable model when they had the fake revenue stream of the Madoff fund, but now they simply have to find a way to break even. Right now, they're betting $90 million is the place to do that. If they have a profitable (or even zero balance) year, I imagine it'll go up then. They just don't own enough of the team right now to play fast and loose. The banks do.
As far as compromising or liquidating their other assets to funnel more money into the Mets, they have done that, and were ridiculed for it. LoL.
Hiding profits is hard (and dangerous) when you owe money all over town. When one of your creditors is MLB, and your GM was released from his MLB duties to run your shop, it would seem even harder and dangerouser.
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2014 11:43 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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Refinancing for Wilpons, probably more of same for Mets
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/s ... -same-mets
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Ashie62 Jan 31 2014 12:33 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
Well..that didn't take long...
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Edgy MD Jan 31 2014 12:36 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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I was really hoping things would redound for me.
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batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2014 01:33 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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http://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/1/31/5 ... -never-had
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Ashie62 Jan 31 2014 05:00 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
huh??
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Lefty Specialist Jan 31 2014 05:18 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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MFS62 Jan 31 2014 08:39 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
Regarding increases in spending on the horizon, I think we've just been given a definite maybe.
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Ashie62 Feb 01 2014 03:40 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
I'm not holding my breath.... Fred & Jeff watch Moneyball on demand.....
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2014 08:10 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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Is there a cap on the Mets payroll? Rubin sez "no". Fred sez "no comment". And the author below sides with Rubin.
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2014/2/3/53 ... oll-wilpon
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 17 2014 10:58 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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Mets' Spending Spree May Not Be a Spree at All
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 20812.html
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 17 2014 11:07 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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More bullshit, double-talk and MetSpeak from the Leader:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... api_public
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Edgy MD Feb 17 2014 12:19 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
I agree with all those comments.
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Lefty Specialist Feb 17 2014 12:23 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
I wish Jeff Wilpon was a couple of years away. Light-years, that is.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Feb 17 2014 04:54 PM Re: Met Debt Reset |
Which super-expensive free agent did they want us to break the bank for? Choo? Ellsbury? This just wasn't a year to throw 7-year contracts at guys who don't deserve them. That's the kind of thinking that got us stuck with guys like Vince Coleman.
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Vic Sage Feb 18 2014 08:32 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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"They" who? The article goes out of its way to say that payroll doesn't necessarily equal success, and was not advocating any particular signing or lamenting any missed opportunity. It simply points out that the Mets' "spending spree" is an illusion since all they did was replace the production and salary they lost going into this season, which leaves the team pretty much where it was and still reliant on young players to take a leap forward for the team to improve. Which is an entirely accurate assessment. what the article leaves mostly UNSAID, of course, is that successful teams like TB and Oakland operating on small budgets do so because they HAVE to, since they are "small market" teams. But by operating that same way, the Mets are losing their major competitive advantage over such teams (an advantage exercised by teams like LA, Boston and the MFYs), and the Mets are operating that way either because the Wilpons' finances are so screwed up they can no longer operate like a big market franchise and spend accordingly, or they are simply choosing not to spend.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 22 2014 09:25 AM Re: Met Debt Reset Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Feb 22 2014 09:32 AM |
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That's right. And though the Mets, in that article, make some apparently reasonable comments related to value shopping-- that's just heavy horseshit. Jeff Wilpon wants you to believe that the Mets relatively low payroll is mostly the result of sound fiscal behavior -- and not because the Mets are broke and can't afford to buy anything. If you want my opinion, it's a fucking embarrassment for the National League baseball franchise from New York City to have a payroll under $100M, no matter how they spin it and no matter what the hell Tampa Bay is doing.
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batmagadanleadoff Feb 22 2014 09:27 AM Re: Met Debt Reset |
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Report: Mets lost $10M; loan avoids default
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... ds-default
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