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Mets – Willets Point
Feb 21 2014 03:21 PM

Interesting article in the New York Times about the crumbling New York State Pavilion in Flushing Meadows Park and efforts to restore it.

I remember as a kid, exploring the pavilion after a Mets game. It was only about 20-years old then but felt like an ancient ruin. But the building looked pretty cool and the map of New York had a lot detail. In the 2000s, I went back there as an adult and was disappointed that the pavilion had been boarded up. Who knew it would still be here after Shea Stadium is gone?

It was also the filming location of the early They Might Be Giants video "Don't Let's Start":

[youtube]pAmFTmCs3IY[/youtube]

Anyhow, it always seemed like a cool place and I hope they can preserve, although I suppose they'll have to find something worthwhile to use if for if it's going to cost a ton of money.

cooby
Feb 21 2014 04:06 PM
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Dad had a unisphere key fob that he carried for years. I wonder if it's still around.
Those of you that remember the mid 60's will remember that everything was 'space age' flavored. My own favorite souvenir of the Fair was a TomorrowWorld coloring book. I could hardly wait for all those gadgets to become real. Especially the self cleaning house!

MFS62
Feb 21 2014 05:50 PM
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I'm a relic of the Fair. I worked there to earn money when in college.

Later

Zvon
Feb 21 2014 07:33 PM
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Hey, same as Shea Stadium. The Pavilion is a piece of architectural beauty that exactly reflects its time but it was not maintained properly or with any care.

I also explored the structure as a kid. Other twelve year old kids out in Kansas were exploring silos and haystacks or something and I was exploring THAT. I got up inside the United States Pavilion which was expansive. I saw things that gave me the impression that at least one person was living up in there. Ah, growin' up in the big city.

And don't laugh about Shea. One of those cereal bowl stadiums from the 60's/70's should have been treated like a Fenway, in that 50/75 years from now it would be a historical structure. No reason that couldn't have been Shea Stadium.

This sounds worthwhile but the page is old and does not look active now:


Good Read:
[url]http://www.nywf64.com/savenys01.1.html

Ceetar
Feb 21 2014 07:39 PM
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what flavor was 'space age'?

They call certain cakes in Amsterdam "space cakes"

d'Kong76
Feb 21 2014 07:50 PM
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I was told many times I was there ... have no stroller
recollection. Have a couple of cool things I can scan
the next day or so ...

Edgy MD
Feb 21 2014 09:05 PM
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Aside from "Don't Let's Start," the fair was also referenced in TMBG's "Ana Ng." I'd be disappointed to find out that TMBG weren't MLBSs.

I'd also be disappointed to find out that the Mets owners haven't taken an interest in the remains of the Fair properties. I thought they should have incorporated a version of the Unisphere into CitiField, and if not a version, then the real thing, if nobody's going to take better care of it, why not us?

Actually, I thought they should have done this as part of my idealized renovation of Shea Stadium, but that's sort of off the table now.

Zvon
Feb 21 2014 10:26 PM
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d'Kong76 wrote:
I was told many times I was there ... have no stroller
recollection. Have a couple of cool things I can scan
the next day or so ...

Please. I collect 64/65 Worlds Fair pictures. My family lived out on Long Island those years. We still went at least three times, once at night to see the fireworks. My younger twin brothers were stroller bound (they had some kool strollers to rent there iirc) but I was out and about.

The Kodak Pavilion^
I know what you mean by "space age" flavored Cooby. To seven year old me it was all out of this world. It left such an impression on my imagination. The architecture, the vibe, all seemed futuristic. Even simple things like the Ford cars on conveyer belts going thru different displays, unreal. I saw the Ford Pavilion from outside (cars with people in them passed through glassed in overpasses wrapped around the structure at one point in the ride) and immediately said " Oh! I wanna go on that! I wanna go on that!".


My other two favorites, The U.S. Royal Tire Carousel and the Sinclair Dinosaurs.



I have home movies of one visit. I'll see if I can find a presentable image.

Fman99
Feb 22 2014 05:30 AM
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My father grew up on 141st and 70th Ave in Flushing, mere blocks from the Fair. My memories are of driving past the structures on our way to visit my grandparents, who lived in that neighborhood until my grandfather passed away in 2001.

My teenage dad and his brother were regular visitors to the fair and if I remember the story correctly my uncle worked there at a pizza place at least one of those two summers.

Frayed Knot
Feb 22 2014 06:34 AM
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I remember the dinosaur exhibit.
I was a big dinosaur guy at that time.

Edgy MD
Feb 22 2014 06:43 AM
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That guy is toast.

Ceetar
Feb 22 2014 06:46 AM
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They should've kept the dino! That would've been cool. I've never actually explored there. Maybe one day this season I should cut out early, hit no traffic, and wander before a game.

Frayed Knot
Feb 22 2014 07:14 AM
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And they tied things in to an early NYM sponsor.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 08:53 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 22 2014 08:59 AM

1964-5 World's Fair frosted iced tea tumbler of the New York State Pavillion. One of eight. Collect 'em all.



batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 08:59 AM
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The Shea Stadium (America's "most modern stadium") tumbler (flying overhead jet included)



batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 09:06 AM
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d'Kong76
Feb 22 2014 09:29 AM
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I have seven of the glasses.
Hall of Science, Shea Stadium, WF Circus, Federal Pavilion,
Port Authority, NYS Exhibit, and Pool of Industry.
I see The Unisphere is my missing glass. I see them at Flea
Markets a lot, now I know how to complete the set!

d'Kong76
Feb 22 2014 09:32 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
I'd also be disappointed to find out that the Mets owners haven't taken an interest in the remains of the Fair properties. I thought they should have incorporated a version of the Unisphere into CitiField, and if not a version, then the real thing, if nobody's going to take better care of it, why not us?
Actually, I thought they should have done this as part of my idealized renovation of Shea Stadium, but that's sort of off the table now.


No Dodger ties to the World's Fair. Ouch, who said that?

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 09:35 AM
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batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 09:53 AM
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1962-3 Sinclair Polo Grounds ad

Fman99
Feb 22 2014 10:06 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:


Those are slick. Makes me want to drink eight tall gin and Frescas.

d'Kong76
Feb 22 2014 10:32 AM
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Saw some of these on eBay, don't recall this version:

d'Kong76
Feb 22 2014 10:37 AM
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There's a set of 8 on eBay for $29.95 which isn't too bad. They sell
individually usually for between $5-$10 at flea markets.

d'Kong76
Feb 22 2014 01:15 PM
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Scratch that, just noticed that shipping is $27.
That's fucking absurd!

Frayed Knot
Feb 22 2014 01:55 PM
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This guy's a relic of the fair too.



I think he may have had a bit too much mead

Zvon
Feb 22 2014 02:16 PM
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27 bucks? But I want those cups!

I figured they must have constructed the dinosaurs right there but no, they arrived in style, in 1963 (?).
This must have been quite a sight.

d'Kong76
Feb 22 2014 02:48 PM
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Here's a NYT's blurb ...

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYT101663.pdf

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Feb 22 2014 02:57 PM
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Naturally, the Queens Museum has a nifty collection-- glasses included-- of some of the memorabilia (second floor near the NYC relief map's "north" side, pre-renovation; not sure where they've moved it since). Apart from the glasses, the Sinclair tire replica toys (!) and blue/orange Unisphere banks were particularly cool.

Zvon
Feb 22 2014 05:07 PM
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Here's a NYT's blurb ...

http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/NYT101663.pdf


"...the boatload of anachronisms..."

Ha, I love it.



I created a new album for 64/65 Worlds Fair pics, to put pics from here and upload ones I have to share. I'm not totally sure how this picasa/google thing works overall, but sometimes google will select a picture from an album and,....I don't know what they do with it. Notice it? No clue. But sometimes they will change the picture in some way and add it to your album. I got a notification from them today and found this in my new Worlds Fair album.

Now you guys know I can do the snow trick because I have done it on avatars. But I didn't do this. They did. That's kinda kool.

Zvon
Feb 22 2014 05:50 PM
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Getting back to Willets point, they did it up good in the Ironman flick. Now that's using it to it's fullest potential.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 07:31 PM
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The Daily News has been reporting on the state of the NYS Pavillion over the years:


Deterioration of New York State Pavilion retold in book with hopes of restoration
By Nicholas Hirshon / DAILY NEWS WRITER
Thursday, September 8, 2011, 4:00 AM

[fimg=754]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.954200.1318384675!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-ny-pavilion-jpg.jpg[/fimg]
The New York State Pavilion in Queens was built by architect Philip Johnson for the world's fair in 1964-1965, but now sits in a state of disrepair.


Behind the decaying walls of the New York State Pavilion rests a piece of pop culture off limits to the public for decades.

Buried beneath layers of fabric, sand and gravel lies a 22,000-square-foot terrazzo road map that made its debut at the 1964 World's Fair.

Its deterioration is the topic of a new book, "After the Fair," written by conservators who want to call attention to the 567-panel map.

They hope the book, available for $20 on Lulu.com, will encourage readers to send funds for the map's restoration to the city, which owns the pavilion.

"This is really an important public work that needs to be preserved," said co-author Frank Matero, an architecture professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

Famed architect Philip Johnson conceived the giant map, made up of 4-by-4-foot panels on which the pavilion's 6 million visitors walked during the fair.

Co-author John Hinchman dreamed of a day when the map, which has all the state's roadways, towns and Texaco gas stations, once again goes on display.

The city covered it over the winter of 2009 and 2010 to spare it from further decay from bad weather and vandals.

"It is this fabulous representation of pop art," Hinchman said, "and nobody can actually see it."

Critics contend the Parks Department has neglected the pavilion since the fair ended in 1965, but Matero and Hinchman thank the city in the book's acknowledgments for helping fund the map's partial restoration.

They led a conservation team that repaired four panels of the Long Island portion of the map in 2007 and 2008.

The authors plan to send the book as a token of gratitude to the city and others that funded their efforts, including the National Endowment for the Arts and the Samuel H. Kress Foundation.

The 60-page book documents the "ruinous condition" of the landmark, including numerous photos of the decaying panels.

Consultants hired by the city studied the pavilion's "Tent of Tomorrow" rotunda last year and are now investigating the three observation towers.

The agency said it will "review the options and determine what may be next for the site" after the second study is complete.

When the conservators first visited the pavilion in 2007, weeds were poking through the two-foot-thick panels.

"I'm surprised a monument of this scale and significance has been forgotten," Matero said.

Rick Bell, executive director of the American Institute of Architects in New York, called the pavilion's state a "travesty."


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/que ... z2u6l5CHdN

______________


Preserving crumbling World’s Fair icon could cost at least $43M
Parks Department outlines options for the New York State Pavilion . One option, for $17M, calls for tearing it down.

By Lisa L. Colangelo / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 12:11 PM
Updated: Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 5:23 PM

[fimg=666]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1521872.1384880958!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/pavilion20q-1-web.jpg[/fimg]
Good old days: Visitors poured into the New York State Pavilion during the 1964-65 World’s Fair to walk atop the massive map of
the state. The site has deteriorated in recent decades and new engineering reports say it would cost about $43 million to preserve
— plus another $10 million to restore it to its glory.


The city needs $52 million to save the New York State Pavilion and restore the deteriorating iconic ruin of the 1964-65 World’s Fair to its original glory, officials revealed Monday night.

But tearing it down would cost just $14 million.

Parks Department officials told outgoing Queens Borough President Helen Marshall, elected officials and community board leaders that they have not decided what to do with the structure, which includes the Tent of Tomorrow and three observation towers that have been shuttered for decades.

“They are in need of repair but they are not immediately falling down,” said Queens Parks Commissioner Dorothy Lewandowski. “So we have time to have some really reasonable dialogue.”

Renowned architect Philip Johnson designed the soaring structure for the fair — and the design still cuts an impressive figure along the Grand Central Parkway.


Today, the pavilion is a rusting relic of the Space Age 1960s.

The tallest tower stretches over 220 feet high and 16, 100-foot columns support the massive steel and concrete canopy.

During its heyday, the glass-covered pavilion hosted various exhibits. It is most famous for the 567-panel terrazzo map of New York State embedded in its floor.

“There’s nothing else like it,” said Christian Doran of People for the Pavilion, a group trying to raise public awareness of the site.

“It can provide a cultural and economic benefit to the city if repurposed properly,” he added. “The park was built for the World’s Fair and it is a completely unique structure that deserves to be saved.”

Lewandowski said the city’s new report on the site includes several engineering studies and ambitious conceptual plan that could cost at least $72 million.


The city says it would only cost $17 million to tear down the relic, but preservationists would howl.

Other options include shoring up the site so it could remain as a ruin similar to the 19th century smallpox hospital on Roosevelt Island for a cost of $43 million.

Workers would not only need to strengthen the structure, but remove toxic lead paint and PCBs in the epoxy floor.

Flushing Meadows Corona Park Administrator Janice Melnick said she will hold several meetings early next year to let the public weigh in with ideas for the site.

“It’s a really great time to put focus on this with the anniversary of the World’s Fair coming up,” she said.

Doran and others would like the pavilion renovated into an event space. After the fair ended, it hosted concerts by Led Zeppelin and the Grateful Dead and was used as a roller rink.

It was also used in the 1978 movie version of “The Wiz” featuring Michael Jackson and Diana Ross, and the groundbreaking “Don’t Let’s Start” music video by They Might be Giants.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/que ... z2u6mJn4CH

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 07:32 PM
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The Daily News has been reporting on the state of the NYS Pavillion over the years:


Also: link to blog post frame analysis of the NYS Pavillion scene in the movie The Wiz.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 07:35 PM
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I wonder if the space continuum could survive this meeting if it were to happen:

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batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 07:39 PM
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One more:

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batmagadanleadoff
Feb 22 2014 07:56 PM
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Andy Warhol's 1964 installation Thirteen Most Wanted adorns the outside of the NYS Pavillion at the World's Fair.

[fimg=666]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XgVj7Y4xzcE/UJFnMmzdKNI/AAAAAAAAAGw/2FTo12s64_k/s400/Pavilion-Shot-with-13-Most-Wanted-Men.jpeg[/fimg]

Warhol's piece, deemed offensive by government officials, was ultimately destroyed before the Fair's opening.

Zvon
Feb 22 2014 09:32 PM
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I don't understand what the one guy means by the map being "pop art". It was just a great recreation of a typical road map. I do consider it a work of art though, yes.

I do recall it was a roller rink and did skate there. I'm thinking this was after the exploration days. I used to go ice skating alot in the New York City building around the same time. Probably went once or twice a week for that whole winter. Jeeze, I forgot about the ice skating days.



That's a really great photograph of the NYS Pav in it's prime Bats.

Zvon
Feb 22 2014 09:38 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Andy Warhol's 1964 installation Thirteen Most Wanted adorns the outside of the NYS Pavillion at the World's Fair.

[fimg=666]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XgVj7Y4xzcE/UJFnMmzdKNI/AAAAAAAAAGw/2FTo12s64_k/s400/Pavilion-Shot-with-13-Most-Wanted-Men.jpeg[/fimg]

Warhol's piece, deemed offensive by government officials, was ultimately destroyed before the Fair's opening.


Very interesting story. Never heard about that.

batmagadanleadoff
Feb 23 2014 12:01 AM
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Scratch that, just noticed that shipping is $27.
That's fucking absurd!


This ebay seller has free shipping on a set of eight.





http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-8-1964-1 ... 1e866a94cd

d'Kong76
Feb 23 2014 01:39 PM
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$100 is a little steep.