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2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm Mar 14 2014 01:29 PM

It was moderately popular last year, so we'll try it again this year. IPP stands for Individual Player Predictions. These will be threads where we share our expectations of how a player will perform in the current year. Feel free to make your predictions as specific or as vague as you like. (You can find a listing of the 2013 IPPs here.) I think I was the only one to pick Chris Young as the "key Met" for 2014. If he has a bounceback season for the Mets, hitting 30 or more homers, it will make a huge difference for the team. But I don't think he's going to do that. I'm going to say 15 homers, .220, traded by July 31 or benched in August. He'll be a one-year Met.

Ceetar Mar 14 2014 02:02 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

.255/.340/.430 24 HR. Plays mostly left field. Steals more bases than Eric. Gets 2 outfield assists in April at the plate. Mets win both those games by 1 run.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 14 2014 02:09 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Have nothing beyond blind faith and belief in the egghead front office to predict we can get $8 million worth of production out of this guy. I'm not even sure if his acquisition was more a matter of saying "we don't believe in Lagares' bat" or "we don't believe in Eric Young's overall game." I mean, the latter is probably true. So much depends on the Spring Training Blockbuster. I'm looking at his career and scratching my head. .235/.315/.430 20-70 20 steals.

Ceetar Mar 14 2014 02:11 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I think you're overestimating what $8 million production is. It's not very much in this market.

MFS62 Mar 14 2014 02:26 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Better than what we might expect, based on the past few years. Not as good as we might hope. .245- 17- 71. Later

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 14 2014 02:37 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Ceetar wrote: I think you're overestimating what $8 million production is. It's not very much in this market. Yeah, I didn't phrase that well. I am assuming the Mets are bargain shopping as usual and have expectations of more than $8 million in production.

Ceetar Mar 14 2014 02:45 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: I think you're overestimating what $8 million production is. It's not very much in this market. Yeah, I didn't phrase that well. I am assuming the Mets are bargain shopping as usual and have expectations of more than $8 million in production. pretty much, though I like the price/risk for Young better than say Nelson Cruz and I think I agree with the one solid/one gamble OF acquisitions. Both Granderson AND Choo would've perhaps been too much.

Edgy MD Mar 14 2014 02:52 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I'm very curious as to what the outcome of training with Rod Carew will be. 1) He won't be particularly more of a contact hitter, but will bring more polish to the power hitter he was/is. 2) He will be more of a contact hitter, and it will up his game considerably. 3) He will be more of a contact hitter, but it will get him away from what he does best and make him less effective. 4) No discernible difference. His decline continues apace.

d'Kong76 Mar 14 2014 02:55 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Hoping to be surprised by him, suspect a little above ex- pectations and hope he can fetch us some more young talent from a contender.

Edgy MD Mar 14 2014 03:09 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I was impressed with how early in the offseason the Mets landed him. And I imagined some application they concocted displayed projected-cost/projected-value ratios and had just been plugged in when his name exploded to the top with off-the-chart numbers.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 15 2014 02:08 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Friend, you are impressed by unusual things. 118 G, 449 PA, .232/.314/.418, 53 R, 15 HR, 54 RBI, 40 XBH, 13 SB, more boos than he deserves, probably

Lefty Specialist Mar 15 2014 12:38 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

MFS62 wrote: Better than what we might expect, based on the past few years. Not as good as we might hope. .245- 17- 71. Later This is kind of where I am. He won't hit .200, but he won't be spectacular either.

smg58 Mar 15 2014 01:07 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

.230/.310/.390. Average range with a below average arm.

Edgy MD Mar 15 2014 01:27 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Friend, you are impressed by unusual things. Well, I don't necessarily mean "impressed" in the delectable sense. It made an impression on me. When the Mets were serious about re-signing Scott Hairston, were serious about re-signing Scott Hairston, and then announced that they were going in a different direction, even though Hairy's eventual pricetag wasn't a big spike from where the negotiations were at, it told me they saw something they thought was for reals in their analysis of the different direction, which turned out to be Byrd. Which isn't to say that I think Young is going to be awesome, only that I think the Mets think they spotted a value they believe the market wasn't reflecting, but might if they left him out there too long. An impression, for lack of a better word, was left. And it's only grown deeper amid the subsequent hay that's been made of the market receding on the likes of Cruz. And maybe Byrd, I guess. Alderson and his friends have publicly put it out there that they think they see things the marketplace doesn't see.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 15 2014 04:02 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Yes, that's what I was getting at above too. Maybe it's something as simple as an adjustment, or awaiting more injury recovery time, or maybe it's something more. Maybe it's totally undetectable drugs.

Ashie62 Mar 15 2014 05:14 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

450 AB 15 HR 50 RBI 20 SB .220

Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2014 12:25 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

It will be interesting to see what happens in the Mets outfield when Chris Young comes back. Assuming he lasts more than one inning next time around. I just hope that Lagares keeps playing. (And keeps producing, of course.)

Ceetar Apr 13 2014 12:02 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm wrote: It will be interesting to see what happens in the Mets outfield when Chris Young comes back. Assuming he lasts more than one inning next time around. I just hope that Lagares keeps playing. (And keeps producing, of course.) Eric Young Jr to the bench where it belongs. It's not really an issue.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 13 2014 12:59 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Yes, but you're not the manager. It's well known that Terry likes Eric.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2014 01:41 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I think EYJ will sit, but in the event he cannot sit, maybe get traded for a leadoff hitter who plays SS. That would be the ultimate solution.

Ashie62 Apr 13 2014 03:44 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Chris Young is going to have to work his way into an effective OF....

Frayed Knot Apr 13 2014 04:17 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Ashie62 wrote: Chris Young is going to have to work his way into an effective OF.... Of the current OF, really only Lagares can make any kind of claim at being "effective". Yes, but you're not the manager. It's well known that Terry likes Eric. I think it's possible that Terry only likes EYJ as compared to the alternatives since he arrived last summer. If C. Young ever shows up healthy and ready to go and Granderson actually starts hitting at some point, TC might find himself falling out of love rather quickly.

Ashie62 Apr 13 2014 11:36 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I still believe EY is the best Young on the team...

Frayed Knot Apr 13 2014 11:44 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Well currently he's the only Young on the team, so that's some low-hanging fruit there.

Ashie62 Apr 14 2014 12:30 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Can't they just rotate them as best they can... Chris Young could get hot out of the box and make it easy....

Zvon Apr 14 2014 01:13 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Ashie62 wrote: I still believe EY is the best Young on the team... I can't say because C Young is in the process of showing me nothing. But EY...if he could just bat .270 and cut down on the Ks he'd fill that lead off spot fine. The stolen bases. We can't just gloss over the stolen bases he brings. I suppose that could play just as well off the bench (pinch running) but I dunno, I think EY is the closest thing we have compared to what we need in a lead off guy. If he starts suckin eggs then do what ya gotta do, but I for one am glad that C Youngs out and we get an extended look at EY. Too bad Lagares don't have his legs.

Frayed Knot Apr 14 2014 01:20 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

EYJ is hitting .200 while striking out in 1/3 of his PAs He's good at making things happen when he actually does get on base, but it's not like his overall performance is throwing up a roadblock to any and all challengers.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 14 2014 02:18 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

He's also... um... well, he's not exactly good with the glove. While the other Young is, even in his current form, still a potential asset there.

Frayed Knot Apr 14 2014 01:09 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I don't have a problem w/EY's glove. Yeah he plays too deep and doesn't have much of an arm, but he runs well and catches everything he gets to. On the plus side, Chris Young is 5-for-5 so far at his Las Vegas stint including 2 doubles and a HR

Edgy MD Apr 14 2014 02:14 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Yeah, that's the way you rehab. I'm kinda hoping he's in the lineup tonight. I was a little surprised the Mets didn't elect to trade high on EY. I think the team loves his habits hustle and intangibles, but his skill set is quite distinct from what they Mets are reportedly looking for.

Ceetar Apr 14 2014 02:27 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, that's the way you rehab. I'm kinda hoping he's in the lineup tonight. I was a little surprised the Mets didn't elect to trade high on EY. I think the team loves his habits hustle and intangibles, but his skill set is quite distinct from what they Mets are reportedly looking for. perhaps no one was biting? I mean, it's not like the suitors were lined up when the Mets grabbed him, and it wasn't like he really played great last year either.

Frayed Knot Apr 14 2014 05:26 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I think that with the reduced state of the NYM OF by the end of last year, this past off-season wasn't exactly time for getting rid of the few OF they had. But especially if Lagares continues to show that he can hit enough to handle an everyday job, that means CYoung and Granderson are NOT needed for CF making EYJ becomes more tradable as the season goes on. And if additional pressure comes from below in the form of den Dekker, Nieuwenhuis, Puello, and/or Abreu, even more so.

Edgy MD Apr 14 2014 05:34 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Well, I'm not really advocating --- or retro-advocating ---- but I wasn't really thinking of the end of last season, so much as well into the off-season, when they had put their money on Granderson and Young2.

Frayed Knot Apr 14 2014 05:50 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Yeah, I just don't think they were sold enough on Lagares at that point (not to mention den Dekker, Nieuwenhuis, etc). For all the promise he showed last summer he still hit just .242 with neither a lot of walks or pop. On the other hand, if this small 2014 sample proves even close to sustainable [B/O/S currently up 77/72/116 points] that means CYoung doesn't have to man CF as anything other than an occasional filler and the rest of the picture changes a whole lot.

MFS62 Apr 15 2014 03:38 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

As of this moment (11:40 PM on Monday) Chris is 7 for 7 in his Vegas rehab, including 2 homers. Hope he saves some of that for when he returns to the big club. Later

Frayed Knot Apr 15 2014 04:04 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I don't think he's eligible for recall for another four days or so. We may need him sooner than that given the events of tonight.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2014 04:34 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

So, we need a plan for Chris Young. It may be too late to redeem his season, but it's not too late to keep him from damaging the team's season any further. He didn't do as bad as the community during the Brewer series, but that's not saysing a whole lot. He's got to see at least some time, at least until the wounded outfielders start returning, but as was noted in yesterdays inny-gamey, he ought to be kept back in the seventh and eighth slots until he digs his way out or completely plays himself off the team.

Ceetar Jun 13 2014 05:22 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

If we're looking for any signs of hope, I guess the 11:11 K:BB ratio he's put up in the last 28 days with a .208 BAbip is..something. 4:0 SB:CS too. He's probably got a little time yet, until Lagares comes back or someone else really takes off, whether it's den Dekker, or Nieuwenhuis or Puello, or Brown. With the caveat that if Abreu doesn't continue to hit you'll need 2 guys to take up the OF spots. I thought he'd be better than this though, now I'd be shocked if he's still on the team in August. Either he'll be completely worthless and released/benched by then, or he'll play well enough that someone will offer a bag of balls for him and Alderson will move on to other guys.

d'Kong76 Jun 13 2014 05:36 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

d'Kong76 wrote: Hoping to be surprised by him, suspect a little above ex- pectations Oh Wah Ta De Kai Am

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2014 05:50 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: as was noted in yesterdays inny-gamey, he ought to be kept back in the seventh and eighth slots until he digs his way out or completely plays himself off the team. I know lineups and whatnot usually come out in the wash and a few hits could change a lot of things, but I'm beginning to believe that Terry's constant fidgeting with the lineup is at the point where it's become counterproductive. For one thing, it sends a signal of doubt to just about everyone. Nothing says, "all my choices are inadequate" like a team that's struggling to score runs trying a new lineup every night. No excusing Young but when you're a $7 million Free Agent and probably the best defensive choice and two other "starters" are on the DL, you shouldn't need to wonder whether you'll be in the lineup each night. Drop him to 7th but let him be. The shortstop switching has got to stop too and here I'd risk alienating Tejada to give Flores an actual shot. I would guess to Flores by now it wouldn't matter whether he bounced into a force at home or hit a grand slam last night -- he's not starting tonight anyway so what's the point? In the meantime it seems like Terry is trying his hardest not to have Duda hit 4th or 5th, as though he's telling us all he doesn't believe Duda can handle it. Maybe he can't. Give it a shot. He's the only guy with legit light-tower power on the club. Meantime I'm growing more disappointed everyday that Sandy hasn't done anything more radical than firing his hand-picked hitting coach which he must have known was destined not to make any difference except to excuse the month of May. The time has long since come to trade for a SS who can lead off already, and/or an outfielder with some power.

Ceetar Jun 13 2014 05:57 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I have so many qualms with the lineup I've given up voicing them, but I think the desire to keep Duda lower is a result of not wanting him back to back with Granderson/lefties but keeping Murphy second, Wright third means Grandy has to be 4th and Duda has to be 6th.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2014 06:03 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Meantime I'm growing more disappointed everyday that Sandy hasn't done anything more radical than firing his hand-picked hitting coach.... Not to worry. Next week, Sandy's gonna declare that this year's Mets will be expected to win 95 instead of 90 games.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2014 06:04 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

So, if I'm a hearing you right, tonight and for the time being, you go: [list=1:33ok841j][*:33ok841j]Flores, ss[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Murphy, 2b[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Wright, 3b[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Duda, 1b[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Abreu, rf[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Teagarden, c[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Young, lf[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]den Dekker, cf[/*:m:33ok841j] [*:33ok841j]Colon, sp[/*:m:33ok841j][/list:o:33ok841j] And you alternate den Dekker and Brown as needed, but leave Youngster alone, except for swinging him between left and center, and 9) re-evaluate the outfield situation as people come of the DL, and re-evaluate shortstop after after starting Flores eight of the next 10 games or so. Meanwhile, keep trying to swing a deal for some offense. Is that right?

Ashie62 Jun 13 2014 06:11 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

How about Cory Vaughn??

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2014 06:18 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: So, if I'm a hearing you right, tonight and for the time being, you go: [list=1][*]Flores, ss[/*:m] [*]Murphy, 2b[/*:m] [*]Wright, 3b[/*:m] [*]Duda, 1b[/*:m] [*]Abreu, rf[/*:m] [*]Teagarden, c[/*:m] [*]Young, lf[/*:m] [*]den Dekker, cf[/*:m] [*]Colon, sp[/*:m][/list:o] And you alternate den Dekker and Brown as needed, but leave Youngster alone, except for swinging him between left and center, and 9) re-evaluate the outfield situation as people come of the DL, and re-evaluate shortstop after after starting Flores eight of the next 10 games or so. Meanwhile, keep trying to swing a deal for some offense. Is that right? That's about right. Den dekker's become a bit of an issue too, I might sooner use C Young in CF, thereby getting Brown in LF to hit 6, and and hit the catcher 8th. Cory Vaughn is not realistic at this time, wasn't even hitting .200 in Bingo.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2014 06:24 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Meantime I'm growing more disappointed everyday that Sandy hasn't done anything more radical than firing his hand-picked hitting coach.... Not to worry. Next week, Sandy's gonna declare that this year's Mets will be expected to win 95 instead of 90 games. You know this remark doesn't add anything to the conversation, and for the record I had no problems with him reportedly saying it (not declaring it). That he did in fact is one of the reasons I'm surprised he's let things get to the state they're in.

Ashie62 Jun 13 2014 06:32 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I like that lineup for the balance of 2014.... and in the interim... Lets find out if d'Arnaud is an MLB player If Flores can get it done and become established we can find him a position to play for the Mets for the next 10 years. You get a "final answer" on Duda as a plus 1B going forward.. If need be the Young's could be moved next month... Find some way to take some heat off David... he is starting to look like an axe murderer with the stress on him.. Get Lagares back and find out if he can hit enough to stick... It ain't all bad... it just feels like it sometimes...

Ceetar Jun 13 2014 06:44 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: So, if I'm a hearing you right, tonight and for the time being, you go: [list=1][*]Flores, ss[/*:m] [*]Murphy, 2b[/*:m] [*]Wright, 3b[/*:m] [*]Duda, 1b[/*:m] [*]Abreu, rf[/*:m] [*]Teagarden, c[/*:m] [*]Young, lf[/*:m] [*]den Dekker, cf[/*:m] [*]Colon, sp[/*:m][/list:o] And you alternate den Dekker and Brown as needed, but leave Youngster alone, except for swinging him between left and center, and 9) re-evaluate the outfield situation as people come of the DL, and re-evaluate shortstop after after starting Flores eight of the next 10 games or so. Meanwhile, keep trying to swing a deal for some offense. Is that right? That's about right. Den dekker's become a bit of an issue too, I might sooner use C Young in CF, thereby getting Brown in LF to hit 6, and and hit the catcher 8th. Cory Vaughn is not realistic at this time, wasn't even hitting .200 in Bingo. Don't think you can bat Tea-Recker 6th regularly. I think I put Flores there and rotate the den Dekker/Brown/Abreu/Young Jrs/etc in and out of leadoff, at least until Lagares is back. From a lineup consistency standpoint at least. As long as we're spitballing, what about Wright first for a couple of weeks?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2014 07:05 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

No. My plan is based on reduced juggling. It's a 7-day, hell-or-high-water, explosion of everyday efficiency, handedness be damned, sample-vs.-this-guy be damned, torpedoes be damned.

Edgy MD Jun 13 2014 07:25 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I also wouldn't recommend batting Colon ninth regularly. You probably want to use a rotation in that spot.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2014 07:29 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

WRITE IT DOWN IN INK: FLORES SS MUFFY 2B WRIGHT 3B DUDA 1B GRANDY RF* BROWN LF** CYOUNG CF TEARECKER C * - Abreu if Grandy is hurt ** - OK to flip Brown and Grandy if handedness is your thing. DEN DEKKER is strictly a defensive replacement when we have a lead, and pinch-runner when we trail a close one ABREU is the guy we call on when we need a big pinch hit from LH hitter TEJADA is awaiting word of which club he'll become the new AAA shortstop for and/or watching the transactions wire for injured SS starters. Also pinch hits for the pitcher when we're trailing by 6 CAMPBELL is the main righthanded pinch hitter and emerge D replacement at 1B/3B

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2014 07:47 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Meantime I'm growing more disappointed everyday that Sandy hasn't done anything more radical than firing his hand-picked hitting coach.... Not to worry. Next week, Sandy's gonna declare that this year's Mets will be expected to win 95 instead of 90 games. You know this remark doesn't add anything to the conversation.... _______________________________ Not to worry. So next week, Sandy will instead proclaim that this year's Mets will win 100 games. John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ... and for the record I had no problems with [Sandy] reportedly saying it (not declaring it). That he did in fact is one of the reasons I'm surprised he's let things get to the state they're in. Oh c'mon. Like Sandy's was supposed to do something to fulfill that declaration. With nine dollars and a cracker jack prize to build a pennant contender. The only reason Sandy said that in the first place was because the Wilpons put him up to it, so they could shamelessly exploit and cash in on the 1,200 New Yorkers dumb enough to go out and buy tickets based upon Sandy's 90 win announcement. The same 1,200 New Yorkers who, last year, thought that this year the Mets would contend.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 13 2014 07:52 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I don't wanna argue about anything so dumb, but there are lots of things the Mets do to sell tickets and I'm pretty sure this wasn't one of them. I'm disappointed when someone resorts to snarky ignorant remarks in response to something thoughtful, happens here a lot.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 13 2014 08:02 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

For their dishonesty and Madoff association, the organization deserves all the snark it gets. I've been hearing for almost two years now about how the Mets money problems are over, about Zimmo real estate and Nimmo prospects and in the end, when the rubber hits the road, they can't even reinvest the money back into the team that came off payroll from the expired Santana and Bay contracts. Is there anything else you need to know? A little bit of Occam's razor here. Alderson's just a GM, he's not a magic Genie. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but all these posts and machinations about where den Dekker should bat strikes me a little like the rearrangement of the Titanic deck chairs. No disrespect. Hey, at least somebody still cares.

Zvon Jun 13 2014 08:40 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: The shortstop switching has got to stop too and here I'd risk alienating Tejada to give Flores an actual shot. I would guess to Flores by now it wouldn't matter whether he bounced into a force at home or hit a grand slam last night -- he's not starting tonight anyway so what's the point? No player on a MLB team should ever act that immature and selfish. Unfortunately, I know there are quite a few out there these days that do. In the past Tejeda has had maturity issues that I think he's just starting to get past over the last year. I'd give him this chance he's getting before pulling the rug.

Frayed Knot Jun 13 2014 08:56 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I don't mean to be disrespectful, but all these posts and machinations about where den Dekker should bat strikes me a little like the rearrangement of the Titanic deck chairs. No disrespect. Hey, at least somebody still cares. So let's quit posting about everything: pitching changes, lineup questions, injuries, etc. and just say Jeffie Suxx, Jeffie Suxx all the live long day. Gee, won't that be fun and informative.

Ashie62 Jun 13 2014 10:21 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2014 10:26 PM

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Frayed Knot Jun 13 2014 10:47 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 14 2014 01:24 AM

Is that directed at me? -- And, if so, maybe you could explain what you mean by it.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 14 2014 01:18 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Frayed Knot wrote: I don't mean to be disrespectful, but all these posts and machinations about where den Dekker should bat strikes me a little like the rearrangement of the Titanic deck chairs. No disrespect. Hey, at least somebody still cares. So let's quit posting about everything: pitching changes, lineup questions, injuries, etc. and just say Jeffie Suxx, Jeffie Suxx all the live long day. Gee, won't that be fun and informative. No. But this is a forum. With a sampling of Mets fans with differing views. And I just don't know what fans expect from Sandy Alderson. I responded with snark because initially, I didn't want to rehash the tired and well-known list of problems that are plaguing the Mets. But what is Sandy supposed to do? Pull another Keith for Ownbey? That's a once in a lifetime swap, and is probably more about sheer luck and being in the right place at the right time than GM skill-sets. The media has to gripe about the Mets because it's their job, but I can't believe that rational adults, smart Mets fans are still complaining about Alderson and the 2014 Mets. The team is mostly holes and question marks. And there's no guarantee that a new problem might not develop as soon as Sandy plugs one of those holes. Wheeler takes a step forward and starts showing signs of consistently pitching like a front of the rotation guy? Good. So that's when you suddenly notice that David Wright ain't no fresh faced kid anymore -- he's a 10 year vet who might not hit 10 HR's this season.

d'Kong76 Jun 14 2014 01:38 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

batmagadanleadoff wrote: So that's when you suddenly notice that David Wright ain't no fresh faced kid anymore -- he's a 10 year vet This doesn't apply to anyone who posts here.

Edgy MD Jun 14 2014 03:48 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The media has to gripe about the Mets because it's their job, but I can't believe that rational adults, smart Mets fans are still complaining about Alderson and the 2014 Mets. You really can't believe that?

Ashie62 Jun 14 2014 10:23 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Frayed Knot wrote: Is that directed at me? -- And, if so, maybe you could explain what you mean by it. No! Met hatters..

Ashie62 Jun 14 2014 10:29 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

How did David Wright come up??

Mets Guy in Michigan Jun 15 2014 01:18 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Does Young have a one-year contract or a two-year contract. If it's a one-year deal, how much longer do you give him once Lagres and EYoung come back?

metirish Jun 15 2014 01:28 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Does Young have a one-year contract or a two-year contract. If it's a one-year deal, how much longer do you give him once Lagres and EYoung come back? one year at $8 million , lot of cabbage hoping for a bounce back, he is worse than useless...

batmagadanleadoff Jun 15 2014 03:07 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

metirish wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Does Young have a one-year contract or a two-year contract. If it's a one-year deal, how much longer do you give him once Lagres and EYoung come back? one year at $8 million , lot of cabbage hoping for a bounce back, he is worse than useless... CY was a poverty pick. There were steadier guys to be had, but I'm guessing that the Mets rolled the dice on CY's higher, though unlikely, power ceiling -- hoping that CY would re-discover his 30 HR power stroke from a few years ago. This is the long-shot desperate kind of gamble the Mets are forced to make because they don't have enough money to pay for quick-fix reliable talent. That costs money.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jun 15 2014 02:21 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

batmagadanleadoff wrote: metirish wrote: Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Does Young have a one-year contract or a two-year contract. If it's a one-year deal, how much longer do you give him once Lagres and EYoung come back? one year at $8 million , lot of cabbage hoping for a bounce back, he is worse than useless... CY was a poverty pick. There were steadier guys to be had, but I'm guessing that the Mets rolled the dice on CY's higher, though unlikely, power ceiling -- hoping that CY would re-discover his 30 HR power stroke from a few years ago. This is the long-shot desperate kind of gamble the Mets are forced to make because they don't have enough money to pay for quick-fix reliable talent. That costs money. You beat that drum a lot, and I'm not sure it's always fair. Granderson and Colon also cost money, and the Mets pulled the trigger on those contracts. And I say it again....who available last year did you want the team to spend the money on? Tanaka? We don't need long-term starting pitching. Colon is doing exactly what we need him to be doing -- being a reliable spot in the rotation until Harvey is healed and the kids are ready. I'd rather over pay for Hanley Ramirez next year than Sin So Choo this year. If they had signed Nelson Cruz, there would be all kinds of gripes about being a roid player.

Ceetar Jun 15 2014 02:31 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Does Young have a one-year contract or a two-year contract. If it's a one-year deal, how much longer do you give him once Lagres and EYoung come back? he's still better than EY. But if Abreu continues to be valuable or someone else does, not long. I imagine you give him until it's unlikely he can do anything to be worth trading. Like, if he went the next month and hit .300/.350/.450 someone would probably be willing to float you a nice reliever or a single A MI prospect or something.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 18 2014 04:27 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Does Young have a one-year contract or a two-year contract. If it's a one-year deal, how much longer do you give him once Lagres and EYoung come back? one year at $8 million , lot of cabbage hoping for a bounce back, he is worse than useless... CY was a poverty pick. There were steadier guys to be had, but I'm guessing that the Mets rolled the dice on CY's higher, though unlikely, power ceiling -- hoping that CY would re-discover his 30 HR power stroke from a few years ago. This is the long-shot desperate kind of gamble the Mets are forced to make because they don't have enough money to pay for quick-fix reliable talent. That costs money. You beat that drum a lot, and I'm not sure it's always fair. And I say it again....who available last year did you want the team to spend the money on? Tanaka? We don't need long-term starting pitching…. I'd rather over pay for Hanley Ramirez next year than Sin So Choo this year. We’re at a standstill on this one. I’d like to see Hanley in a Met uniform, too, but have no confidence whatsoever that the Mets can pay him the roughly $20M or so a year he’s gonna command on the FA market. I think your posts imply that the Mets are in a position, financially, to land a top-tier free agent. If so, I don’t see it that way. Granderson and Colon also cost money, and the Mets pulled the trigger on those contracts. I’m not impressed. In early 2013, Fred Wilpon announced that the Mets money woes were in the rear-view mirror; that Alderson will now have the authority to raise the payroll to pre-Madoff levels. And don’t forget the two years worth of constant remindering that this is the year that $45M comes off the payroll from the now expired Santana and Bay contracts -- the implication and innuendo from that oft repeated reminder unmistakably being that the Santana/Bay $$ would be reinvested in the team. It wasn’t. They lied. After a historical payroll reduction following 2011, and another payroll cut after 2012, the Mets cut 2014 opening payroll by another almost $10M. So yeah, Granderson and Colon cost money. But even if you add Chris Young’s contract to the Granderson and Colon contracts, the total sum is about $10M less than the expired Santana/Bay money, and, coincidentally, about the difference between the 2013 payroll and this year’s once again diminished payroll. From another angle, though, I suppose I should be grateful for the Grandy/Colon/Young signings. After all, the Mets weren’t obligated to acquire those three FA’s. They could have, instead, promoted three or four more major league minimum wage earning rookies to the 25 man roster and gone with a payroll of about $55M. So I guess I should be thankful for that. Colon is doing exactly what we need him to be doing -- being a reliable spot in the rotation until Harvey is healed and the kids are ready. Yeah. But Colon doesn’t belong here. He should be pitching for a pennant contender in need of one pitcher to round out the rotation. Colon’s 41. It’s gonna end up real bad and real soon for Colon. That’s the lay of the land for 41 year old pitchers. Anyways, my original post on Chris Young, which prompted your response, was written to address more of the “What the hell is Sandy doing? “posts, which I don’t get. Alderson’s first order of business was to cut payroll by about $50M, 33% -- historical drops. Sandy was essentially required to take 10 steps backwards before he could try and take one forward step. I know how repetitive this all must sound, but on the other hand, it’s hard to have an accurate macro discussion on the Mets problems without addressing their crushing financial situation. And this is before conceding that Sandy inherited a barren farm and a major league roster crumbling or goiong nowhere at almost every turn. Fred Wilpon: Mets' money woes over Updated: February 13, 2013, 6:32 PM ET By Adam Rubin | ESPNNewYork.com PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- New York Mets principal owner Fred Wilpon said his family is free and clear of past financial woes and that general manager Sandy Alderson has the financial flexibility to make major free-agent signings in upcoming offseasons. Wilpon, 76, favorably settled a lawsuit brought by the trustee trying to recover funds for victims of Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme last year. He added that the family's improved financial complexion also is the result of the rebound of real estate, his primary business, as well as stock-market gains and the thriving of SportsNet New York, the television network in which the family owns a majority stake. "It's all in the rearview mirror," Wilpon said about past financial woes Wednesday after arriving at the team's spring training complex. "... The family is in great shape. The family really is in great shape. Sometimes luck is the residue of design." Wilpon originally faced a $1 billion lawsuit regarding the Madoff scheme, but the settlement will result in the family ultimately having to pay no more than $85.7 million -- and likely far less than that. Wilpon said the payroll, slashed in recent seasons under Alderson, could return to past levels if the team is prudent. The payroll went from a high of $148 million late in Omar Minaya's tenure as general manager to roughly $95 million last year. Wilpon pointed to bank debt as a primary reason for an un-New York-like payroll in recent years. The Mets have produced four straight losing seasons and have not reached the postseason since 2006. "It wasn't, as people have written, the reason," Wilpon said about the Madoff issue and payroll slashing. "It was a balance there, because we had to make sure the banks got paid off all of the debt. There's no one in my family -- there's the Katz family, the Wilpon family, kids -- [that now] has any personal bank debt. Zero. Everything has been paid. We don't owe a dollar to anybody. We have mortgages on buildings and stuff like that, but we don't owe a dollar. "That's what made us tight. We were still getting revenues. Lots of revenues. But those revenues were going to pay off debt. That's done." The Mets did pursue free agent Michael Bourn until he agreed this week with the Cleveland Indians, so some of the recent financial constraints have resulted from the conservative bidding by Alderson as opposed to an ownership mandate. Will the team be aggressive bidding next offseason? "I think we would anticipate being big investors if that were appropriate," Wilpon said. "That depends on what the market is. If the market is such that that's where we have to be to be competitive and winners, yeah. "This is, to me, a break-even business. I always strive to break even. I'm not looking to make any money. I strive to break even. So if [fans] don't show up, that's hard. So you have to balance it. We fed it pretty good the last five or six years. I think if the market was such, yes, the payroll could go up, but not to just have payroll go up so you can write headlines -- if that, in fact, improves the team. "I don't know what the market will be at that point. But the payroll will be commensurate with anything we've ever done because we can do it. Remember, the people have to come to the ballpark obviously. If you have a competitive team, they will. Everything that was in the past, that you guys saw the pain that we went through, is gone. It's gone." http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... -woes-past

Edgy MD Jun 18 2014 04:35 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Headline aside, there's a ton of ambiguity and caveats and codicils in that article.

batmagadanleadoff Jun 18 2014 04:38 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: Headline aside, there's a ton of ambiguity and caveats and codicils in that article. I know exactly whatcha mean.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jun 18 2014 09:29 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

We’re at a standstill on this one. I’d like to see Hanley in a Met uniform, too, but have no confidence whatsoever that the Mets can pay him the roughly $20M or so a year he’s gonna command on the FA market. I think your posts imply that the Mets are in a position, financially, to land a top-tier free agent. If so, I don’t see it that way. Here's where I get confused, and I don't mean to be beating the deadest of horses. But it doesn't seem right to accuse them of not spending money this year without saying who you wanted them to be spending money on. Hanley is next year's issue, and I can't go gloom and doom on that until next year. If there are really good players available that fill a gaping hole and the Mets still don't try to spend, then I would agree. Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Granderson and Colon also cost money, and the Mets pulled the trigger on those contracts. I’m not impressed. In early 2013, Fred Wilpon announced that the Mets money woes were in the rear-view mirror; that Alderson will now have the authority to raise the payroll to pre-Madoff levels. And don’t forget the two years worth of constant remindering that this is the year that $45M comes off the payroll from the now expired Santana and Bay contracts -- the implication and innuendo from that oft repeated reminder unmistakably being that the Santana/Bay $$ would be reinvested in the team. It wasn’t. They lied. After a historical payroll reduction following 2011, and another payroll cut after 2012, the Mets cut 2014 opening payroll by another almost $10M. So yeah, Granderson and Colon cost money. But even if you add Chris Young’s contract to the Granderson and Colon contracts, the total sum is about $10M less than the expired Santana/Bay money, and, coincidentally, about the difference between the 2013 payroll and this year’s once again diminished payroll. From another angle, though, I suppose I should be grateful for the Grandy/Colon/Young signings. After all, the Mets weren’t obligated to acquire those three FA’s. They could have, instead, promoted three or four more major league minimum wage earning rookies to the 25 man roster and gone with a payroll of about $55M. So I guess I should be thankful for that. Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Colon is doing exactly what we need him to be doing -- being a reliable spot in the rotation until Harvey is healed and the kids are ready. Yeah. But Colon doesn’t belong here. He should be pitching for a pennant contender in need of one pitcher to round out the rotation. Colon’s 41. It’s gonna end up real bad and real soon for Colon. That’s the lay of the land for 41 year old pitchers But wait, you accuse them of making poverty picks, then criticize again when they did spend -- on a guy who was an All-Star the year before and has pitched well this year. He belongs here as the bridge to the return of Harvey and the arrival of Thor and the maturation of Wheeler. If it goes bad at age 41 or next year, we'll have fresh blood. Anyways, my original post on Chris Young, which prompted your response, was written to address more of the “What the hell is Sandy doing? “posts, which I don’t get. Alderson’s first order of business was to cut payroll by about $50M, 33% -- historical drops. Sandy was essentially required to take 10 steps backwards before he could try and take one forward step. I know how repetitive this all must sound, but on the other hand, it’s hard to have an accurate macro discussion on the Mets problems without addressing their crushing financial situation. And this is before conceding that Sandy inherited a barren farm and a major league roster crumbling or going nowhere at almost every turn. I don't think anyone disputes that there were crushing financial restraints brought on not just by the outside troubles but by some bad contracts. If he's been tasked with clearing out those contracts and replenishing the system, I think it's fair to say he's doing that. I don't think we can fault Sandy for having three pitchers -- including the ace and the closer -- missing a year for TJ surgery. How much better would we be with a douchy but healthy Harvey atop the rotation, Parnell in the pen? And both of those would free up Mejia to either be a set-up man and probably not needing Colon at all. I guess I'm just seeing the glass a little more full.

metirish Jun 23 2014 02:20 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Could be cut Thursday http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/p ... api_public

Edgy MD Jun 23 2014 03:26 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

That sure would be dramatic.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 23 2014 03:30 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Can never count on something like that. Someone will get hurt or something, you just watch.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2014 03:42 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I was wondering about that as I read that Lagares' return may be imminent. I'd much rather remove Chris Young from the roster than Kirk Nieuwenhuis. The only argument for keeping Young is his salary. And that's rarely, if ever, a good reason. That signing never made any sense to me.

Ceetar Jun 23 2014 03:52 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I was wondering about that as I read that Lagares' return may be imminent. I'd much rather remove Chris Young from the roster than Kirk Nieuwenhuis. The only argument for keeping Young is his salary. And that's rarely, if ever, a good reason. That signing never made any sense to me. A guy that has power potential and decent ability. Can play CF pretty well (if you're figuring Granderson is better served in a corner) Both things the Mets needed, reasonable buy low guy. Didn't work out as of yet. these things happen. But it's not like the Mets have three good outfielders either. Lagares and Granderson. Even if Abreu continues to play well, you're not playing him everyday. And if you are playing him, you might rather have a Righty than a Lefty. (Eric doesn't hit Lefties either) Of course, Andrew Brown at this point is a better option in that role. You've already burned Nieuwenhuis' option for this year though, so it might just be prudent to drop him, no matter what rumors Rubin spreads. You can always release Chris Young next week.

Ashie62 Jun 23 2014 03:53 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

cueing up the memories of thread...

Edgy MD Jun 23 2014 03:56 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

If there's any truth to this, it really sucks for Sandy that the plans leaked.

seawolf17 Jun 23 2014 03:57 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Play him against the two lefties and cross your fingers that he gets five hits and is suddenly tradeable.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2014 03:57 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

I'm hoping it will inspire Chris Young to hit three homers on Tuesday night.

Frayed Knot Jun 23 2014 04:58 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm wrote: That signing never made any sense to me. There was certainly some logic to it. We've been short of having a legit complement of OFers for years now and have been lucky with a couple of low-budget chances (Hairston - Byrd) just to fill some of the spots we did have. That C. Young had good seasons in the past, isn't injured, wasn't old, can play CF (I still don't think we have a handle on how well Lagares will hit) can run, etc. made him a decent candidate to have a bounce-back year in a field, beyond Granderson, that's full of questions marks [Lagares, Brown, Nieuwenhuis, MdD, EYJ]. It obviously hasn't worked and it cost them a lot more money than the others to find that out, but the move never struck me as odd. A bit wishful maybe, but not odd. If there's any truth to this, it really sucks for Sandy that the plans leaked. Is there anything with this team that doesn't leak?

Ashie62 Jun 23 2014 07:23 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

The toilets?

Zvon Jun 23 2014 08:24 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: If there's any truth to this, it really sucks for Sandy that the plans leaked. I think a leak makes it easier for Sandy. CYoungs probably already packed.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2014 08:40 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Easier? No way! It totally subverts your plans. If it's true, and you've got to release him before tomorrow's game. Can't have a guy everyone knows is doomed hanging out, and sure can't stick him in the game. If it's not true, you've got to issue an explicit denial, and some sort of endorsement --- when you'd rather have your options open and not be forced to endorse a player who is playing his way over the horizon. Either way, your hand is forced.

seawolf17 Jun 23 2014 08:48 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Yes, BUT. If there's a team out there who thinks they can use him, it might make them give Sandy a call and offer a warm body for him, and then maybe you don't eat as much of the salary as you would if you just cut him.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 23 2014 08:48 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

He can say "no decision has been made yet." Many people won't believe him, but he can say that.

Ceetar Jun 23 2014 08:49 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

nah, a simple "At this time Adam Rubin is not involved in our decision making process. When we're ready to activate Juan Lagares, we will make a corresponding roster move based on the information we have at that time." will do. You don't have to give light to every rumor.

Edgy MD Jun 23 2014 11:10 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

seawolf17 wrote: Yes, BUT. If there's a team out there who thinks they can use him, it might make them give Sandy a call and offer a warm body for him, and then maybe you don't eat as much of the salary as you would if you just cut him. I think teams have a solid network for letting other teams know which players of theirs are on the block, without unwieldy leaks.

Zvon Jun 24 2014 12:48 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: Easier? No way! It totally subverts your plans. If it's true, and you've got to release him before tomorrow's game. Can't have a guy everyone knows is doomed hanging out, and sure can't stick him in the game. If it's not true, you've got to issue an explicit denial, and some sort of endorsement --- when you'd rather have your options open and not be forced to endorse a player who is playing his way over the horizon. Either way, your hand is forced. Not if the leak is part of the plan. If that's the case, yes, he will be gone before tomorrow nights game, one way or the other. If the leak is not part of the plan & it's true, same thing. CYoung will be prepared to be released tomorrow. If it's not true Sandy doesn't really have to say anything. He owed CYoung some at-bats, and he gave him plenty. That was his endorsment and it's all used up. In this case I'd respect him more if he didn't respond to shit stirrin' stuff like this. Until a move is made I don't put any weight in articles that are "in the know" but don't let me know where they got their information from. It's just too easy for writers to write to soft spots that they know will cause (or feed) a flurry in the fan base. I think Sandy should cut him if that's his plan, and just ignore it if it isn't. No matter what the truth is in the CYoung situation, he's got to know that he has been given a fair chance and he didn't rise to the occasion. That's the only endorsement he should give him at this time and I'd rather he just kept quiet.

Ashie62 Jun 24 2014 01:30 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Chris Young will be fortunate to earn MLB minimum next season...

Edgy MD Jun 24 2014 02:12 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Zvon wrote: I think Sandy should cut him if that's his plan... Well, sure, but that's my point. If he was supposed to be cutting him on Thursday, he now has to move precipitously. ...and just ignore it if it isn't. I don't know about you, but if my employee got word that he was going to be fired on Thursday, and I know he knows, but I'm saying nothing to him one way or another, asking him to come to meetings and help pitch a proposal to my big clients and shit on Tuesday and Wednesday... well, that would look like an awkward and counterproductive couple of days at work. Sandy (and Terry) got put in a bad spot if there's anything to this leak, and if the leak was indeed planned and initiated by him, that's a lousy way to play.

Zvon Jun 24 2014 02:32 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know about you, but if my employee got word that he was going to be fired on Thursday, and I know he knows, but I'm saying nothing to him one way or another, asking him to come to meetings and help pitch a proposal to my big clients and shit on Tuesday and Wednesday... well, that would look like an awkward and counterproductive couple of days at work. In any regular business that isn't under the scrutiny of the media I'd agree. In baseball..the writers sometimes just start pushing buttons to get a reaction. Baseball players have to be able to tune out the media to an extent. This would be one of those times for Chris. Put the blinders on. Only one thing will save him. Performing. How much more time will they give him? We'll see. I've seen enough, myself. Edgy MD wrote: Sandy (and Terry) got put in a bad spot if there's anything to this leak, and if the leak was indeed planned and initiated by him, that's a lousy way to play. I would like to think the leak is some squirrely guy giving away secrets for who knows what reason, but the leak thing has just become such a regular feature I would not be surprised if it's an orchestrated thing.

MFS62 Jun 24 2014 03:30 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

seawolf17 wrote: Yes, BUT. If there's a team out there who thinks they can use him, it might make them give Sandy a call and offer a warm body for him, and then maybe you don't eat as much of the salary as you would if you just cut him. Why should another team give up anything for him if he is released? They can wait and pay just the pro-rated major league minimum and the Mets have to pick up the balance of his contract. If multiple teams want him, they bid against each other. The Mets would pay the difference between what he signs for and his contract with them. Later

Edgy MD Jun 24 2014 03:55 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

The reason you might give up something for a player that is rumored to be released is because (1) a rumor is a rumor, (2) if you suspect there are multiple suitors, you want to beat them to him.

Lefty Specialist Jun 24 2014 09:51 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Hard to imagine multiple suitors for Chris Young.

Edgy MD Jun 24 2014 11:42 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Hard to imagine multiple anything for the guy at this point, but someone invoked the scenario, and we're working in the abstract.. Zvon wrote: I would like to think the leak is some squirrely guy giving away secrets for who knows what reason, but the leak thing has just become such a regular feature I would not be surprised if it's an orchestrated thing. Anybody heard from HVAC Guy at Shea recently? He probably didn't get transitioned onto the Citi Field staff.

Ceetar Jun 24 2014 01:23 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Edgy MD wrote: Zvon wrote: I think Sandy should cut him if that's his plan... Well, sure, but that's my point. If he was supposed to be cutting him on Thursday, he now has to move precipitously. ...and just ignore it if it isn't. I don't know about you, but if my employee got word that he was going to be fired on Thursday, and I know he knows, but I'm saying nothing to him one way or another, asking him to come to meetings and help pitch a proposal to my big clients and shit on Tuesday and Wednesday... well, that would look like an awkward and counterproductive couple of days at work. Terry got put in a bad spot if there's anything to this leak, and if the leak was indeed planned and initiated by him, that's a lousy way to play. Well, if said employee knew that there was at least a chance that big client he's pitching a proposal to might want to hire him on Thursday, and that there are 28 other competitors keeping tabs on it.. But I think it's just the opposite. Terry can be the "no truth to this Chris, just put your work in and take good AB" and then be all "They've seen enough. I fought for you" on Thursday when he's released.

Vic Sage Jun 24 2014 05:04 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 24 2014 06:45 PM

i'd prefer to see some combo of Nieuwey, Campbell and EY out in LF rather than one more AB from CYoung.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 24 2014 05:42 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Me too. Every time I see that there's a new post in this thread I find myself hoping that it's official news of Chris' release.

Edgy MD Jun 24 2014 07:18 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

El Releasiado batting sixth and playing centerfield tonight.

Ashie62 Jun 24 2014 07:25 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Me too. Every time I see that there's a new post in this thread I find myself hoping that it's official news of Chris' release. You and me both.. but CY.. can you get a few ribbies tonight???

Zvon Jun 24 2014 10:23 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Vic Sage wrote: i'd prefer to see some combo of Nieuwey, Campbell and EY out in LF rather than one more AB from CYoung. Ditto. And same for Abreu. I'd rather see the kids out there. But as long as we stay in the race, and amazingly we are in it, I'll back up Shorty's "play to win today's game" approach. I'd prefer when Lagares returns that he mans center, Grandy shifts and stays in right, Newy, Campbell, EYj can compete for left (have we seen enough of denDekker and Brown? Debatable). Abreu can start from time to time, otherwise, he's our vet PH off the bench. Of course, this does not factor in CYoung at all, and he's still here. And playing tonight (that's a form of endorsment). Put on those blinders Chris. Show me what you can do. Don't unpack though.

Edgy MD Jun 24 2014 11:44 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

He sure unpacked that delivery from Kaz Money.

Frayed Knot Jun 25 2014 12:41 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I'm hoping it will inspire Chris Young to hit three homers on Tuesday night. 2/3 of the way there and four innings still to go.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jun 25 2014 02:05 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Somebody leak to Rubin that Sandy is planning to release the rest of the team when Lagares comes off the DL. Apparently that motivates these guys!

Ashie62 Jun 25 2014 02:10 AM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

lmao

Vic Sage Jun 25 2014 01:46 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Like i said, they need to give Mr. Young another shot.

Ceetar Jun 25 2014 01:51 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Vic Sage wrote: Like i said, they need to give Mr. Young another shot. yes, but a shot of what? You gotta find the right substance that won't be detected.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 09 2014 02:48 PM Re: 2014 IPP: Chris Young

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think I was the only one to pick Chris Young as the "key Met" for 2014. If he has a bounceback season for the Mets, hitting 30 or more homers, it will make a huge difference for the team. But I don't think he's going to do that. I'm going to say 15 homers, .220, traded by July 31 or benched in August. He'll be a one-year Met. I wasn't too far off on this prediction, short by 7 homers and .015 batting average points.