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Make an Offer for Rollins

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 13 2014 12:00 PM

What'll you give up for Jimmy Rollins? Afraid the Intra-Division Trade Premium will wipe out the Teach-Him-A-Lesson Discount that I'm certain the Phils would offer around. In the last year of contract, though with an option that clicks with 600 PA, but reasonable given the market $$-wise at 11M per. Opening with Tejada, Degrom and Germen Gonzalez. Your move Ruben.

metirish Mar 13 2014 12:05 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

He's 35, is wondering out loud why he is being "benched", seems to be comparing Sandberg to Manuel who would always talk to him..... I'd give up what you said I suppose.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 13 2014 12:13 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

That's about the shape of the offer I'd make. (Feel free to sub in Walters, Mazzoni, Church and/or Verrett if Amaro prefers quantity over quality.)

Ceetar Mar 13 2014 12:20 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

I'd sign him for the league minimum if they release him. over the past 5 years he's put up a 92 OPS+ .253/.317/.397 slash line and I'd expect the .397 to come down outside of CBP. Tejada's .12 and '11 were better than what Rollins did last year. Fangraphs has Rollins as still an above average baserunner and defender, but I'm a little skeptical and with another year of age? stole 22/28 last year and 30/35 which is still a good rate but it's been falling too. I'm not giving up deGrom for that. lower level pitching prospect? sure.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 13 2014 12:27 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

And even with that terrible offensive year, he still provided one-and-a-half wins or so with the other stuff; he was an up-and-down 3-4 win guy for the four years prior. He's a short-term guy who fills a need. He's Bartolo Colon, only coming off a down year. If they're paying his salary, I'd give up deGrom for that. If we are? Yeah, maybe lower that offer ceiling a little. But at a contract that's essentially a one-year deal? I'd take it and pay for it. Of course, I'd probably toss Drew the money at this point before I'd do that.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 13 2014 12:40 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

See, I'd rather Rollins than Drew. $$ would be easier, Rollins fits the needs of the lineup better, and I think, is a better player than he showed last few years. He's a great player with some Rickey Henderson/Joe Morgan in him.

metirish Mar 13 2014 12:43 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 13 2014 01:04 PM

And Rollins has proven he can handle the NY limelight ....that is of course very important ....plus, I bet he would relish, absolutely relish playing for the Mets , the one time villain turns hero.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 13 2014 12:51 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

He'd also be a hero turning into a villain, when viewed from the South. I imagine that if Rollins were dealt to the Mets, the salary obligation would come along with him. I wouldn't be too surprised if he could be had for one decent prospect. (I have no idea which one, so I won't offer any specific names. I just have to hope that it's one who's destined to disappoint.) If Rollins goes, do the Phillies have a replacement for him? That would influence whether or not they'd have any interest at all in having Tejada as part of the package.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 13 2014 01:02 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

They've got a lot of old money on the books (see: Utley, Howard, Papelbon, etc.). If they intend to bench Rollins, and want salary relief, I doubt they're getting prime meat in exchange for it (see: Yankees bench-stocking of recent vintage). From ANYONE.

metirish Mar 13 2014 01:06 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

NY POST @AssholeBeatWriter @Phillies bench their SS , yet the @Mets persist with Tejada #Reason1000,2451WhyMetsFansAreSickOfIt

Edgy MD Mar 13 2014 01:22 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Familia. If they press, then Familia and Tejada. I might go higher, and throw in Dustin Lawley, as his salary isn't particularly prohibitive. Funny that he never got a superstar contract. Ryan Howard is getting paid like a druglord.

metirish Mar 13 2014 01:24 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

They are starting Freddy Galvis over Rolins, is he their future or just another kid SS?

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2014 01:28 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Rollins contract just to add a factor to your decision - due $11 this year - 2015 option for $11 mil vests automatically with: 600 PAs in 2014 or 1,100 PAs in 2013 + 2014 [had 666 in 2013 so needs just 434 this season] - AND is not on disabled list at end of 2014 season (or if he is on the DL, a mutually agreed upon doctor deems him available for 2015 Opening Day roster) - if option does not vest, [team] holds $8M club option for 2015 and Rollins holds $5M player option - salary increases $1M with MVP in preceding season [OK, that ain't happenin'] - award bonuses: $1M for MVP ($0.5M for second or third, $0.25M for fourth or fifth). $0.1M for WS MVP. $50,000 each for LCS MVP, All-Star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger

MFS62 Mar 13 2014 01:36 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: They've got a lot of old money on the books (see: Utley, Howard, Papelbon, etc.). If they intend to bench Rollins, and want salary relief, I doubt they're getting prime meat in exchange for it (see: Yankees bench-stocking of recent vintage). From ANYONE. This. If the Phillies are going to bench him for a younger, cheaper, option, they might: 1) Eat a (large) portion of his salary, or, 2) Settle for a lesser package of players. Either way, it is better than Sandy bidding high on the first go-round. Let's see how this plays out. Later

Edgy MD Mar 13 2014 01:42 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

metirish wrote: They are starting Freddy Galvis over Rolins, is he their future or just another kid SS? He was their future. They carried him last year, even though they were convinced his bat wasn't ready. Utley couldn't answer the bell for opening day and they thought they could hang in there with a glove-first shortstop at second for four weeks or so. Turned out to do a little better than expected with the bat. Showed some power at any rate, though not much else. Then he got popped for PEDs and it's now an open question regarding whether the power was real. But he's a great guy. A GREAT guy. Just a wonderful human being. If Sandberg isn't trying to fuck with Rollins then I don't know what.

seawolf17 Mar 13 2014 01:46 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

I was going to start this same thread this morning until I actually looked at Rollins' stats. I'd give up a low-level prospect if they'll eat the salary.

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2014 02:21 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Now that we're imagining intra-division trades for switch-hitting short stops, I'm going to throw Danny Espinosa into the mix. After declaring a few years back that I thought he was the better Washington middle-infield youngster over Ian Desmond, Espinosa made me look stupid by absolutely crashing and burning since eventually leading to his demotion to AAA and not hitting much there either and he's almost certainly lost his job to Anthony Rendon. On the other hand: he's 26 to Rollins' 35; is a great glove man wherever he plays including SS even though he was mostly used a 2B, takes his walks, and has at least as much XBH pop as Rollins and maybe more once the home-stadium is factored in. Rollins last five seasons: .253/.317/.397 Espinosa in 2012 -- .247/.315/.402 In 2013 there was talk of a wrist injury so maybe there'll be a bounce back at some point. If not his career is likely over based on his .216/.280/.286 at Syracuse in 313 ABs I suspect the Nats want to keep him as an all-around utility player/all-around 2B/SS/3B insurance policy after their pathetic bench absolutely kill't them last year so it might take some doing to pry him loose, but I'd thought I'd throw him into the mix as long as we're speculating.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 13 2014 04:17 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Presumably, it would take a LOT to pry him loose; Espinosa's a young guy who'd rather be starting, but fills a need on their presumably-contending team (a bench need at present, but still). He's also under team control, JUST entering arbitration years next offseason. Rollins, however? Well, he's in a different place... and in a place run by a GM/braintrust who are... um... not UNfleeceable.

Ashie62 Mar 13 2014 04:25 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Presumably, it would take a LOT to pry him loose; Espinosa's a young guy who'd rather be starting, but fills a need on their presumably-contending team (a bench need at present, but still). He's also under team control, JUST entering arbitration years next offseason. Rollins, however? Well, he's in a different place... and in a place run by a GM/braintrust who are... um... not UNfleeceable. Don't know if I agree on Espinosa... Anthony Rendon may be the starting 2b there...

Zvon Mar 13 2014 04:54 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Rollins is the type of player who would be pumped by a change of scenery and his #s would reflect it. At least initially. I'm all for Rollins at the right price.

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2014 05:19 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Ashie62 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Presumably, it would take a LOT to pry him loose; Espinosa's a young guy who'd rather be starting, but fills a need on their presumably-contending team (a bench need at present, but still). He's also under team control, JUST entering arbitration years next offseason. Rollins, however? Well, he's in a different place... and in a place run by a GM/braintrust who are... um... not UNfleeceable. Don't know if I agree on Espinosa... Anthony Rendon may be the starting 2b there... Rendon almost certainly WILL be starting at 2B for the Nats. But that doesn't mean Espinosa is worthless and LWFS's point (and mine) is that the same things that makes Rollins more likely to be dealt by his current team than Espinosa (age, control, contract) are the same reasons that might make the Mets (and the folks here) want Espinosa more.

Edgy MD Mar 13 2014 06:31 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Rendon to me (and maybe me alone) still feels like a thirdbaseman faking it in the middle of the diamond (and that's coming from a Murphy endorser). They may want to keep their plan B around a little longer.

Frayed Knot Mar 13 2014 06:52 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Edgy MD wrote: Rendon to me (and maybe me alone) still feels like a thirdbaseman faking it in the middle of the diamond (and that's coming from a Murphy endorser). They may want to keep their plan B around a little longer. Oh I think he is too, but they'll live with whatever he gives them on defense for the offense gap and then move him to 3B in 2015 when LaRoche's contract is done and bump Zimmerman across the diamond. In the meantime, Espinosa, because he can play all over the infield, serves as Plan B at several positions, plus he hits from both sides of the plate with power. On the other hand if he's going to hit .150 doing all that while striking out one time in three he'll wind up being released no matter who's he's playing for. I guess the bottom line compared to Rollins is that Espinosa has the higher ceiling if he suddenly finds 'it' again but also the lower floor.

Ashie62 Mar 13 2014 07:14 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Frayed Knot wrote: Ashie62 wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Presumably, it would take a LOT to pry him loose; Espinosa's a young guy who'd rather be starting, but fills a need on their presumably-contending team (a bench need at present, but still). He's also under team control, JUST entering arbitration years next offseason. Rollins, however? Well, he's in a different place... and in a place run by a GM/braintrust who are... um... not UNfleeceable. Don't know if I agree on Espinosa... Anthony Rendon may be the starting 2b there... Rendon almost certainly WILL be starting at 2B for the Nats. But that doesn't mean Espinosa is worthless and LWFS's point (and mine) is that the same things that makes Rollins more likely to be dealt by his current team than Espinosa (age, control, contract) are the same reasons that might make the Mets (and the folks here) want Espinosa more. I do not want Espinosa more... I would like to see them do either a} Sign Drew b} Pursue Nick Franklin or Brad Miller c} Chris Owings...

Nymr83 Mar 13 2014 07:19 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

What'll you give up for Jimmy Rollins? Nothing. He is rapidly declining and I have no interest in letting the Phillies off the hook on that salary.

Edgy MD Mar 13 2014 10:36 PM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Jimmy and Missus Jimmy, Johari Smith, letting the dogs out.

smg58 Mar 14 2014 06:34 AM Re: Make an Offer for Rollins

Nymr83 wrote: What'll you give up for Jimmy Rollins? Nothing. He is rapidly declining and I have no interest in letting the Phillies off the hook on that salary. This.