Master Index of Archived Threads


The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 12:41 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 10 2014 12:43 PM

Anyone ever get this Plus HD adware virus? [fimg=933:1y18pn9y]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3122/13065549133_d881f7a54b_b.jpg[/fimg:1y18pn9y] I'm getting pop-up ads everywhere, on every page. They're even appearing in between the posts on this forum. Every so often, I'm redirecred to a new tab that's trying to get me to download some new media player or java thing. I've googled this thing and tried the manual fixes -- they don't work. Every fix also tries to get me to download a specific malware app which is supposed to be the cure -- but I don't trust it because i think it's part of the scam. The same malware sell appears on every single page recommending a fix, and almost immediately. Help?

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 12:42 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Oh yeah. You see how the George Eiiot is underlined and green in TheOldMole's post? That's happening too. Words all over the place are now green, and underlined with some hyper-link.

Ceetar Mar 10 2014 12:49 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

generally what i do is run msconfig and go to the startup tab and uncheck stuff that looks suspect. then I restart in safe mode, usually with network enabled, and run adaware/malware bytes and/or virus scan. This happen in every browser? seems like it might be a plugin or add on somewhere? if it's chrome try disabling all your extensions. try googling fixes via incognito tabs or inprivate tabs.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 10 2014 12:49 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

I had a similar thing, although it was much less annoying. My home PC is vulnerable to stuff because my kids surf the web and probably sometimes click OK when they shouldn't. It was some program called Gorilla something that got installed on the PC. Look in your Control Panel "Add or Remove Programs" and see if there's anything that was recently installed. In my case, I found the Gorilla program there, but couldn't uninstall it. It did point me to a file name called GORILLA.EXE (or something like it). I found all instances of the executable and deleted them. To get permission to delete them, I had to boot windows in Safe Mode. Long story short, there's a program running somewhere, and you need to find it yourself and get rid of it. You're right not to trust these free downloads that promise to fix it for you.

Ceetar Mar 10 2014 12:51 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Also search these places, and also Control Panel->uninstall programs for " Plus-HD-7.5" or variations. if you restart in safe mode it might be easier to do so, you can try to kill them in process manager too so they're not running.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 01:45 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

I think I fixed it thanks to your posts. Although I think it's still early to call it a win. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed in hopes that the virus is gone. Here's what I did: I had already uninstalled some recent add-ons through the control panel uninstall function. But this maneuver had left me unsatisfied, not only because the virus persisted, but also because I remember upgrading my Adobe Flash Player recently, and the Adobe updates were not appearing on the Control Panel list of recently added/upgraded items. I had read that this virus usually arrives in trojan horse mode, typically hiding in some Adobe or youtube or java browser update. So I restarted my PC in safe mode (networking) and in safe mode, the Adobe upgrade appeared in the Control Panel/Uninstall feature. From there, I uninstalled it. Then, while still in safe mode, I also searched my PC for all ".exe" files, and I found a strange one added last week for some "new player". I deleted that file. The virus is gone, at least as of this post. Why would a recently added program appear in safe mode control panel but not in regular control panel?

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 01:48 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Fuck. I spoke too soon. As soon as I posted that last post, I got redirected three times to new tabs asking me to download something. I've got green underlined hyper-linked text all over the place. And the pop-up ads are coming at me from all angles. From the top. From the bottom and sliding up. In between your posts. Everywhere.

Ceetar Mar 10 2014 01:52 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Fuck. I spoke too soon. As soon as I posted that last post, I got redirected three times to new tabs asking me to download something. I've got green underlined hyper-linked text all over the place. And the pop-up ads are coming at me from all angles. From the top. From the bottom and sliding up. In between your posts. Everywhere. you didn't get it all and it spread/propagated again.

RealityChuck Mar 10 2014 02:23 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Use Malwarebytes (the free version is fine). It's the best tool for removing malware. Install it, update the definitions, and run the scan. Delete anything it finds.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 02:31 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

RealityChuck wrote: Use Malwarebytes (the free version is fine). It's the best tool for removing malware. Install it, update the definitions, and run the scan. Delete anything it finds. Did you ever use that program?

Ceetar Mar 10 2014 02:33 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Use Malwarebytes (the free version is fine). It's the best tool for removing malware. Install it, update the definitions, and run the scan. Delete anything it finds. Did you ever use that program? I've used that one. do it in safe mode/networking though. This way hopefully the virusspam is deactive and not hiding.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 03:03 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: RealityChuck wrote: Use Malwarebytes (the free version is fine). It's the best tool for removing malware. Install it, update the definitions, and run the scan. Delete anything it finds. Did you ever use that program? I've used that one. do it in safe mode/networking though. This way hopefully the virusspam is deactive and not hiding. Too late. I already downloaded the program and ran it. It removed about 200 items. Let's see if this thing is gone now.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 03:04 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

And ... nope. It's not gone. Still infected. I'll run the program in safe mode and see what happens.

Ceetar Mar 10 2014 03:11 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: And ... nope. It's not gone. Still infected. I'll run the program in safe mode and see what happens. there are other good programs, combofix, hijack this, that usually work very well but they're a little less user friendly and a little more dangerous. The virus is likely trying to hide itself and is propagating (so those 200 will be back shortly) which his why safe mode helps because sometimes that keeps it dormant and can be deleted that way. You might need to check the registry settings as well, though malwarebytes should do that.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 04:26 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Ran malware in safe mode. 12 more files removed. Virus still here. What the hell am I supposed to do now? Buy a new computer?

Zvon Mar 10 2014 04:42 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

That is wack. Is it really possible that a trusted source like Adobe could bring a virus in with it? I have had some bad PC problems due to virus's over the years and I've developed some habits that I thought were a l'il bit paranoid. But I've lost a PC to an attack so I am cautious. Like if I get a notice for an update (no updates w/o my approval on this PC, no remote access ever), I'll close the notification without allowing it, open the program, and click on the "look for updates" and if one is found, which it usually is, I then allow it. But if they can get in those updates and add bad stuff code to them even what I do won't help. Deff don't give up on your PC (but do start backing things up if not already). Hopefully you snag it more sooner than later. At times tech help is needed, but I never go there cuz one of my brothers is a programmer who is good at rooting out shit.

TheOldMole Mar 10 2014 05:00 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

When I get something like this that I can't get rid of, I've been going to a professional -- a guy who was recommended to me, and he succeeds every time. If you want to give him a try, he's with a company called Crossloop, and his email is kenny.open@gmail.com - or facebook, kenny s kenny s.

d'Kong76 Mar 10 2014 06:29 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: [fimg=933]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3122/13065549133_d881f7a54b_b.jpg[/fimg] I have never seen an ad here, I want residuals!!

Rockin' Doc Mar 10 2014 09:07 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

My computer became infected with a stubbornly, persistent virus a few years ago, No matter what I tried, i just couldn't remove the virus causing the problem. I finally had to give up and take it in for "cleaning" at a local computer place. When I got my computer back in good working order, the tech told me he had added Malwarebytes to help protect my computer in the future. I have been running it ever since. Sorry it didn't work for you. Best of luck getting your computer running properly.

Ceetar Mar 10 2014 09:18 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

It's a very delicate procedure sometimes. My next step would be to run combofix and hijack this, but both do things that can really screw things up so I wouldn't necessarily recommend that on your own. but if it's really just PlusHD.5 these links seem to imply it's fairly straight forward [url]http://www.im-infected.com/adware/remove-ads-plus-hd-4-8-uninstall-guide.html You've disabled/deleted it from within the browser itself right? Depending what and how much stuff you have on your computer reformatting it to factory settings usually isn't that tough. Windows has a built in backup and restore system that if you occasionally (or schedule) a backup you can literally just restore to that image. (so say you do it every week, you could back up to your system state a week ago, only losing whatever you did this week.) Helpful, I probably should turn it on myself.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 10 2014 11:25 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

It's not just Plus HD. It's also Joywallet. And http://rvzr-a.akamaihd.net. I removed/disabled the suspicious add-ons and extensions from my browser. To no effect. Even though they were removed, the virus persisted. And then upon restart, those add-ons reappeared anyway. I think they're gone now, after running malwarebytes. But the viruses are still here.

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 07:22 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: It's not just Plus HD. It's also Joywallet. And http://rvzr-a.akamaihd.net. I removed/disabled the suspicious add-ons and extensions from my browser. To no effect. Even though they were removed, the virus persisted. And then upon restart, those add-ons reappeared anyway. I think they're gone now, after running malwarebytes. But the viruses are still here. they're breeding and apparently didn't use protection. What kind of baby name is Joywallet? geeze. you might be screwed. It's tough to get all of these things sometimes. Can you use incognito mode or a different browser or does it exist in all of them? Back up your files, seems like you might want to reformat.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 07:54 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

I think I fixed it. I did a system restore about 45 minutes ago, and so far, the viruses are all gone. I was hesitant to do a system restore, because the last time I thought I needed one, I ended up having to buy a new PC, and then reload a lot of software. That took about two or three days and hours and hours of my time. In my mind, I connect my last PC's breakdown with the simultaneous system restore.

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 08:04 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think I fixed it. I did a system restore about 45 minutes ago, and so far, the viruses are all gone. I was hesitant to do a system restore, because the last time I thought I needed one, I ended up having to buy a new PC, and then reload a lot of software. That took about two or three days and hours and hours of my time. In my mind, I connect my last PC's breakdown with the simultaneous system restore. well, you should never have to buy a new PC from that, but as long as the last system save was successful a restore should work. hopefully it's pre-advertising and you're good now. I don't know because I'm always too lazy to set up all that stuff. I like to live dangerously.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 08:09 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think I fixed it. I did a system restore about 45 minutes ago, and so far, the viruses are all gone. I was hesitant to do a system restore, because the last time I thought I needed one, I ended up having to buy a new PC, and then reload a lot of software. That took about two or three days and hours and hours of my time. In my mind, I connect my last PC's breakdown with the simultaneous system restore. well, you should never have to buy a new PC from that.... That PC was damaged and old enough that buying a new one made total sense. But before I realized all that, I thought I might've been able to fix that PC with a system restore. Viruses still gone.

Benjamin Grimm Mar 11 2014 08:11 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

I have to wonder… is Burger King actually paying for these ads? I'd have to think that they wouldn't want to send advertising dollars to virus distributors. It can only make them look bad, right?

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 08:16 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I have to wonder… is Burger King actually paying for these ads? I'd have to think that they wouldn't want to send advertising dollars to virus distributors. It can only make them look bad, right? The virus ads might've been connected to my browsing history. I know that I was browsing Burger King for a CPF post in the Liverpool Contest thread.

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 08:26 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: I have to wonder… is Burger King actually paying for these ads? I'd have to think that they wouldn't want to send advertising dollars to virus distributors. It can only make them look bad, right? The virus ads might've been connected to my browsing history. I know that I was browsing Burger King for a CPF post in the Liverpool Contest thread. they pay the adservice that then provides ads. The 'virus' probably creates a Google adsense account (the same one a blogger would use) or something similar to get ads from the adservice and creates code to display those ads in a web box. They get paid per view and per click, so by spreading around a billion of the ads into hacked together sites, they get lots and lots of views. batmagadanleadoff wrote: Viruses still gone. try this Download this awesome software to make the girls totally want you!

Vic Sage Mar 11 2014 08:34 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

i've got the exact same virus on my computer. i can't get rid of it. I had a friend, a tech guy, clean it off (twice so far), and it is good for a week or so, but it all comes back. I think, though, its only happening now when i use Firefox as my browser; its not there when i use google chrome or aol, so that's what i've been doing. But i think its just a matter of time for it to re-assert itself there too. And don't tell me about how to fix it myself; i've read this thread and i don't know what any of it means. I know how to turn this instrument of the devil on and off; beyond that i need technical support. Usually my 13-year old can handle most of my technical issues, but this is beyond him. And my tech friend is not reliably available, and i feel bad about imposing on him constantly anyway (i did give him a pretty big cash card as a "xmas present" over the holidays, to show my appreciation [and to compensate him for his time in an unstated manner], but i still feel awkward about it). I just bought the computer last year, and i'm loathe to replace it. I think i need a local professional. Any recommendations for where i can take it in the Westchester vicinity? And how much it would cost? And how do i get that anti-malware program you're talking about? I won't download it; i won't download ANYTHING anymore. (this all happened when i reinstalled ITUNES for chrissakes). Can you actually buy it on a disk?

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 08:51 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Sorry to hear this. Obviously, I know exactly how annoying these viruses are. They take all the joy out of the browsing experience. How long have you had it?

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 09:40 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

it's annoying to have to re-get whatever programs you have installed, but I'd probably say just nuke it all. backup whatever you have stored locally and reformat. or ask your friend to reformat when he has time. It's pretty simple and painless in almost all cases, you probably have a backup or restore drive already set up, most computers come with them these days and it's usually not much more complicated then right-clicking on that drive and clicking 'restore'.

Vic Sage Mar 11 2014 10:48 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Sorry to hear this. Obviously, I know exactly how annoying these viruses are. They take all the joy out of the browsing experience. How long have you had it? its been a few months. it drove me to the point where i had my friend try to fix it remotely (thru LogMeIn), then within a few weeks, it was back. He did it again, but that time i dropped the box off with him. After he was done, within a week it was back, and its getting worse. I discovered that if i don't use Firefox its less of a problem, but its not totally gone. it's annoying to have to re-get whatever programs you have installed, but I'd probably say just nuke it all. backup whatever you have stored locally and reformat. or ask your friend to reformat when he has time. It's pretty simple and painless in almost all cases, you probably have a backup or restore drive already set up, most computers come with them these days and it's usually not much more complicated then right-clicking on that drive and clicking 'restore'. I'M not going to nuke anything; my friend can do that and backup whatever files we have. But don't the files have a chance of being corrupted in some way, too? How do i know that when i restore my stuff after the computer's been wiped that i'm not just putting the virus back in?

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 11:03 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Vic Sage wrote: I'M not going to nuke anything; my friend can do that and backup whatever files we have. But don't the files have a chance of being corrupted in some way, too? How do i know that when i restore my stuff after the computer's been wiped that i'm not just putting the virus back in? depends what you're backing up. You're not going to save installers or anything like that. Generally you back up your pictures folder and any like spreadsheets or word docs you use if you use them. Most of those aren't usually files that get infected.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 11:22 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Vic Sage wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Sorry to hear this. Obviously, I know exactly how annoying these viruses are. They take all the joy out of the browsing experience. How long have you had it? its been a few months. it drove me to the point where i had my friend try to fix it remotely (thru LogMeIn), then within a few weeks, it was back. He did it again, but that time i dropped the box off with him. After he was done, within a week it was back, and its getting worse. I discovered that if i don't use Firefox its less of a problem, but its not totally gone. it's annoying to have to re-get whatever programs you have installed, but I'd probably say just nuke it all. backup whatever you have stored locally and reformat. or ask your friend to reformat when he has time. It's pretty simple and painless in almost all cases, you probably have a backup or restore drive already set up, most computers come with them these days and it's usually not much more complicated then right-clicking on that drive and clicking 'restore'. I'M not going to nuke anything; my friend can do that and backup whatever files we have. But don't the files have a chance of being corrupted in some way, too? How do i know that when i restore my stuff after the computer's been wiped that i'm not just putting the virus back in? I was going to suggest a system restore -- it seems to have worked for me. But I don't know if system restore goes back a few months. It's very easy to implement. You won't have to click your mouse more than five or six times. The "system restore" function resets all your computer system settings to some point (a calendar date) that you select -- hopefully some point prior to when you downloaded the malware. The system restore doesn't affect your documents -- any text you created in a word processing program, or spreadsheets, etc. It merely resets your system settings. It's in control panel. Click control panel, then "System and Maintenance". Then "Backup and Restore Center". Then use system restore to choose a date. Hopefully, the function will allow you to choose a date that preceded the date of infection.

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 11:27 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

depends how your system restore is set up. And how your data is setup too.

Vic Sage Mar 11 2014 11:31 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Most of those aren't usually files that get infected. "usually"... now THERE'S a scary word. oh and i don't have to worry about pictures... they're all gone. somehow, before all this even started, all the pictures we had saved on the computer got wiped away. My tech friend said i must have hit the wrong button at some point (which is why i'm not going to hit any buttons or click any clicks to do a "system restore" or anything else at this point). So most of my kids' childhood memories memorialized in those photos... puff, gone. Of course, all those old-fashioned pix i took long ago in prehistoric times, where i dropped film off at the drug store, and then they gave me 2 prints of each and the negatives, and if i wanted more, i gave them the negative and they'd print more? all those archaic remnants of our quaint 20th century past? Those pix i still have; some in albums, some in envelopes, some in shoeboxes... many i even have TWO of. And every story i've written that i have saved hard copies of in this thing called a "file drawer"? Them i still got, too, and i don't have to worry that putting them back on my computer will render the infernal box unusable. Ah, progress! Frankly my dear, it can go fuck itself.

Ceetar Mar 11 2014 11:37 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

see, Google backups every picture I take automatically to Google+ (well, on the phone) see? Cloud. You're just not ..progressed.. enough. Every picture I take off the camera I transfer onto the netbook and then copy to my main computer. (and when I remember, to the external hard drive). duplicity. documents as well, in Google Drive. but I digress. If there's nothing you are worried about losing on the computer there is literally nothing you can do, software-wise, that could ruin the computer. Have your friend reformat (or system restore a couple of months back if that's an option so you don't have to reinstall winzip, chrome, or whatever you use) and you'll be fine. You'll find your computer running faster too.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 04:52 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: I have to wonder… is Burger King actually paying for these ads? I'd have to think that they wouldn't want to send advertising dollars to virus distributors. It can only make them look bad, right? The virus ads might've been connected to my browsing history. I know that I was browsing Burger King for a CPF post in the Liverpool Contest thread. they pay the adservice that then provides ads. The 'virus' probably creates a Google adsense account (the same one a blogger would use) or something similar to get ads from the adservice and creates code to display those ads in a web box. They get paid per view and per click, so by spreading around a billion of the ads into hacked together sites, they get lots and lots of views. One of the viruses I had was called JollyWallet, not JoyWallet, as I had previously written. According to the info out there on the web, these viruses do study your browsing history to determine which unwanted ads get pushed onto the webpages you're browsing. Anyways, viruses still gone over here. I also read that these viruses are capable of stealing your log-on data. If so, then I suppose that in a worst case scenario, a victim could have his or her identity stolen, have his accounts hijacked, etc.

batmagadanleadoff Mar 11 2014 05:08 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Vic Sage wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: ....How long have you had it? its been a few months. it drove me to the point where ... I can't believe you've had it that long. Because, as you already noted, the viruses seem to intensify with time. When I first noticed them on my PC, they were a very mild annoyance, that I thought I could ignore until I got around to dealing with them at my leisure. But by the fifth or sixth day, the Plus HD ads were coming at me from all sides on virtualy every web page I was visiting. Some of those ads actually rearranged the layouts of the pages I was browsing. As an example, during this phase of the virus, when I was logged in to this forum to post a message, the window for composing messages was scrunched into a tiny quarter on the southeast (bottom right) part of the web page, all to accomodate a large ad in motion, that was sliding all over the page. Plus, every other mouse click, and I'd get redirected to a new tab or page that would try to get me to download something. At times, I couldn't keep up with the redirects. I'd close one tab and three or four more would open. I was like Lucy working the chocolate conveyor belt. If I was 20 years younger, I think that I would've picked up my computer and thrown it out of a high floor window. And this was only after about a week of those viruses. So if you've had this for months, and they continue to intensify, I can't imagine how you can do any browsing at all.

RealityChuck Mar 11 2014 09:01 PM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I think I fixed it. I did a system restore about 45 minutes ago, and so far, the viruses are all gone. I was hesitant to do a system restore, because the last time I thought I needed one, I ended up having to buy a new PC, and then reload a lot of software. That took about two or three days and hours and hours of my time. In my mind, I connect my last PC's breakdown with the simultaneous system restore. well, you should never have to buy a new PC from that, but as long as the last system save was successful a restore should work. hopefully it's pre-advertising and you're good now. I don't know because I'm always too lazy to set up all that stuff. I like to live dangerously. System Restore is a good but underrated way to clean these viruses, especially since viruses no longer deactivate it these days (they used to delete all the restore information, but for some reason stopped bothering). Another tool to use is Super AntiSpyware, which does a good job and finds things Malwarebytes doesn't (though many of those are harmless). Hijackthis was the go-to software about five years ago, but it rarely can find the virus these days. (The developer quit working on it and sold it. He wanted to get some training to improve his job prospects. All I could think of was that all he had to say, "Hi. I invented hijackthis" and the interviewer would reply "What salary would you like?"

Ceetar Mar 12 2014 07:10 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

RealityChuck wrote: Another tool to use is Super AntiSpyware, which does a good job and finds things Malwarebytes doesn't (though many of those are harmless). Hijackthis was the go-to software about five years ago, but it rarely can find the virus these days. (The developer quit working on it and sold it. He wanted to get some training to improve his job prospects. All I could think of was that all he had to say, "Hi. I invented hijackthis" and the interviewer would reply "What salary would you like?" Good to know. I've been lucky for a while with viruses so I haven't had to really dig to get one out recently so I'm out of practice I guess. I feel like you need to relearn this stuff every time, because things change. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more legitimate and advertised businesses to take care of this stuff that don't sound like spam and viruses themselves. But maybe the time commitment to clean a machine thoroughly is too large and the to charge for that amount of time wouldn't get paid. I think I have Lavasoft adaware on my computer but that's probably an older one too. whatever it is has been annoying me with notification popups in the bottom right to do this or do that. bugger off and stop bothering me.

Ceetar Mar 12 2014 07:12 AM Re: The Ads Everywhere Virus

relatedy, I stole my brother's email password once via a virus he'd gotten on his computer. It was a keylogger of sorts but the file got saved to the computer and I managed to find it when I was cleaning it. big huge text file of mostly junk. I used his signup as an extra email address in the Mets playoff lottery i think.