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Mike Piazza Update

Edgy DC Jan 05 2006 03:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 05 2006 04:12 PM

Where's he going? What's he worth? To whom? Is he done? Things have been quiet regarding the new ex-Met, but some media outlets are staying on the case to get the most recent poop. He's a traitor to his country. He's a big fat pig.

Bret Sabermetric Jan 05 2006 04:03 PM

Well, there is one deep thinker who compares him, and not unfavorably, to Jesus Christ. http://catholicspirit.com/stories/2004/august/aug1letter.html

Yancy Street Gang Jan 05 2006 04:07 PM

]Having already been hit in the head, Piazza would have been well justified in charging the mound after Clemens threw the bat, yet he chose to walk away. At possibly the most emotionally charged moment of his life and on the biggest public stage imaginable, Mike Piazza chose to turn the other cheek, putting the good of his team ahead of any personal need for vengeance. Instead of being applauded for this act of selflessness, stemming from one of the tenets of his own Catholic upbringing, Mike Piazza has been soundly villainized to this day; called every name in the book and had his manhood questioned. "Soundly villainized?" Wow! How did I miss that?

cooby Jan 05 2006 04:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 05 2006 04:14 PM

Good heavens, this idolizes him even more than that OTHER article that Bret dug up

cooby Jan 05 2006 04:13 PM

Oh, wait a minute. I just read who wrote it

vtmet Jan 05 2006 07:41 PM

On this rendition of the CPF, I've lost track of "Who is who they used to be"...I know that I am me...cooby is cooby...soupcan is soupcan...and a few others... I'm starting to "guess" that Bret is "Sal"....based on the last 2 Piazza links that he provided...

cooby Jan 05 2006 07:44 PM

Hey vermont, how are ya? This might help, the thread itself is on page 4 of the Non Baseball Forum http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=307

vtmet Jan 05 2006 07:55 PM

not bad cooby...it's been warm but snowing today...how snow sticks when it is almost 40 degrees, I don't get but it's sticking and melting at the same time...We had something weird 2 days ago, called "Frozen Fog" according to the radio...it was foggy and then it got cold before the fog disapated so the trees looked like giant icicles...not looking forward to tomorrow morning when it's supposed to be about 10 degrees and the driveway will probably be a sheet of ice... Thanks for the link of who's who...I'll check it out in a minute...first I want to try to figure out a few in my head before finding out the real answers...

vtmet Jan 05 2006 07:57 PM

wow...I'm surprised...I made the original list back in June...and I didn't think that I post enough to be remembered...Thanks Rockin' Doc...

cooby Jan 05 2006 07:58 PM

vtmet wrote: Thanks for the link of who's who...I'll check it out in a minute...first I want to try to figure out a few in my head before finding out the real answers... I tried that for awhile too, but was very glad when Rockin Doc/Hottie made up this chart

Zvon Jan 05 2006 08:13 PM

lol @ the [u:0dcd175a1a]hes a big fat pig[/u:0dcd175a1a] link. we all have to be thinking it.... feeling it. (brets excused) How when next season starts, and Piazza isnt there, we have begun a new chapter in Met history.

vtmet Jan 05 2006 08:15 PM

I might have missed it...but weren't there 2 different posters at metsonline that used a derivation of "jb"? I know the one was "old original jb" or "original jb"...but wasn't there someone using "jb" who was actually someone else?

old original jb Jan 05 2006 10:23 PM There was another jb

There was another jb with whom I got into some stupid argument which I now don't even remember what it was. I also have the vague sensation that it might have been someone here or someone who is still on the mofo under another name. Maybe it was you vt. Anyway, I added "original" to jb, (just as we have Ray's, Original Ray's, Famous Original Ray's and Ray Bari--all of which don't hold a candle to real brick oven pizza.)

Frayed Knot Jan 05 2006 11:51 PM

Is Bret turning into stalker?

Rockin' Doc Jan 06 2006 11:34 AM What a surprise....

Ms. Kelly's selective memory seems to have conveniently overlooked Piazza's altercation with the Dodgers Guillermo Mota in the spring of 2003.

Bret Sabermetric Jan 06 2006 11:58 AM Re: What a surprise....

Rockin' Doc wrote: Ms. Kelly's selective memory seems to have conveniently overlooked Piazza's altercation with the Dodgers Guillermo Mota in the spring of 2003. "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

sharpie Jan 06 2006 12:04 PM

Will she transfer her allegience to Paul LoDuca?

duan Jan 06 2006 12:43 PM

if i was one of "mike piazza's people" I'd have her picture issued to everyone and a big indelible inked mark of "be very afraid"

Edgy DC Jan 06 2006 04:28 PM

Long time, no duan.

Elster88 Jan 06 2006 04:29 PM Re: What a surprise....

Rockin' Doc wrote: Piazza's altercation with the Dodgers Guillermo Mota in the spring of 2003. My favorite SportsCenter highlight of all time. $5 per copy. Burnitz nearly caught that little bitch.

Centerfield Jan 06 2006 04:59 PM

What other player can say they have had a ball, bat and glove thrown at them from the pitchers' mound....

ScarletKnight41 Jan 06 2006 05:03 PM

I remember that fight. D-Dad didn't feel like watching spring training, but I was baseball starved and we kept the TV on. That was surreal - Piazza looked like he was possessed or something!

Rockin' Doc Jan 07 2006 06:10 PM

Centerfield - "What other player can say they have had a ball, bat and glove thrown at them from the pitchers' mound...." Yet oddly, no punches have been thrown at him.

metirish Jan 07 2006 10:07 PM

From Bob klapisch. ] NEWS ITEM: Where is Mike Piazza? That's the question a lot of GMs are asking this week. The assumption was he would have signed somewhere by now, but the Met catcher turned free agent is still looking for a job with spring training just six weeks away. Piazza's best hope is with the Orioles, who are looking to trade Javy Lopez or else move him to first base. That would create an opening at the DH spot. The A's also are considering Piazza, but their first choice at DH is still the rehabbing Frank Thomas. News Item from me: Where is Sam Champion? I've not seen him on ABC news doing the weather in a while.

Yancy Street Gang Jan 07 2006 10:12 PM

Carlos Beltran didn't sign last year until January 11, so I think it's a little too early for the tongues to be wagging about Piazza not being signed yet. I bet that girl that Bret has been stalking is hoping that he's still unsigned on May 1.

cleonjones11 Jan 08 2006 03:19 PM Shawn Estes

To this day the sound of his name makes me sick. No balls...Yankee fans that still diss Mike simply prove that the Y- are the MFY's and are anti just about anything I beleieve in Cleon Jones 11 P.S. Donald Grant..I want my damn van back!

vtmet Jan 08 2006 08:37 PM

so what team takes a chance on him with a $500K minor league spring training invite?

Zvon Jan 08 2006 08:51 PM

vtmet wrote: so what team takes a chance on him with a $500K minor league spring training invite? Im really surprized he's still just danglin in the wind.

vtmet Jan 08 2006 10:13 PM

I'm not surprised...I couldn't believe how many posters at various forums that I go to, thought that Omar should have offered Mikey 2 years for $10-12 Mil total...IMO, after the past 3 seasons, he's not even close to that value...JT Snow just signed for 1 year at 2 mil, while JT never had the power that Mikey had/has, right now, IMO he brings more value to a team...other than dingers, what does Mikey really offer? Before Mikey went on the dl, there was about a 6 week stretch where we had a much better winning percentage when Shrek was our starting catcher over when Mikey was our catcher...and it wasn't because Shrek was the world's greatest complete catcher, just that he had less "achillies heels"....

metirish Jan 08 2006 10:16 PM

How easy we forget what Mikey did for this team, JT Snow should never be mentioned in the same breath as Piazza.

vtmet Jan 08 2006 10:23 PM

We aren't talking about a 30 year old Mike Piazza...we're talking about a 37 year old catcher that was weak defensively when he was young and healthy...and hasn't been healthy enough in over 3 seasons to be productive offensively, other than hitting HRs...

metirish Jan 08 2006 10:25 PM

True,Snow is no health freak either though, I agree he's a good pick up for Boston though.

Edgy DC Jan 08 2006 10:33 PM

J.T. Snow will be 38 next season himself. And earned fewer win shares than Piazza, health or no. I don't know who advocates offering Piazza $20-24 million, but that's not been going around here.

cooby Jan 08 2006 10:34 PM

Prolly Ms. Kelly

metirish Jan 08 2006 10:34 PM

Hell maybe Piazza goes to play in Italy or goes to Japan and plays for Bobby V.

vtmet Jan 08 2006 10:37 PM

Edgy, that was $10-12 over 2 years, not $10-12 per season over 2 years...but still, IMO, way too much money...especially when based on his last 3 years production, I can't say that he earned that $45 mil that he made in that timeframe...

vtmet Jan 08 2006 10:40 PM

cooby wrote: Prolly Ms. Kelly I like said poster, but it's funny...she labeled Omar as evil for stringing Mikey and Al "digger" Leiter along, pretending to show interest in keeping both...where's the loyalty...

cooby Jan 08 2006 10:43 PM

Vermont, you're not serious, she thought they should saddle themselves....er...resign Leiter?

Nymr83 Jan 08 2006 10:45 PM

]there was about a 6 week stretch where we had a much better winning percentage when Shrek was our starting catcher over when Mikey was our catcher...and it wasn't because Shrek was the world's greatest complete catcher, just that he had less "achillies heels"... six weeks is a small sample size in that regard, besides which it might have helped that Piaza was catching Ishii while Castro was our best pitcher's personal caddy.

Edgy DC Jan 08 2006 10:46 PM

Yup, you did say total. But whether Piazza lived up to his last few year's salary is a very different question from what is a good price to offer him in 2006.

vtmet Jan 08 2006 10:48 PM

she's not the only poster that I argued with over Leiter's & Franco's (lack of) value last year...between the buyout money and the Marlin's money, he was so far overpaid last year...especially when the season before he was talking about how shot his shoulder was and that doctors recommended surgery but he said he was too old for that...and then surprise, surprise Digger threw with the accuracy of a blown out shoulder...

vtmet Jan 08 2006 10:51 PM

Nymr83 wrote: ]there was about a 6 week stretch where we had a much better winning percentage when Shrek was our starting catcher over when Mikey was our catcher...and it wasn't because Shrek was the world's greatest complete catcher, just that he had less "achillies heels"... six weeks is a small sample size in that regard, besides which it might have helped that Piaza was catching Ishii while Castro was our best pitcher's personal caddy. actually last time that I went thru that sample group, Piazza was catching Pedro much more often than Castro was (and those were the games that the Mets were losing, despite Pedro pitching)...

cooby Jan 08 2006 10:53 PM

Two points: 1) I am not about to start a Ms. Kelly bashing discussion, so calm down Edgy 2) I know I hate Al Leiter more than anybody else on this board does, for reasons even I can't pinpoint (except his pitching) but anybody who championed for Leiter to return to the Mets after last season is just deranged. Piazza, whatever, whether he stayed or left was okay with me.

Edgy DC Jan 08 2006 10:54 PM

You got the wrong cat.

cooby Jan 08 2006 10:54 PM

Oh. Well then, never mind

Edgy DC Jan 08 2006 10:55 PM

Those six weeks are almost irrelevant if it can't be demonstrated what Castro and Piazza actually contributed to those wins and losses.

metirish Jan 08 2006 10:55 PM

Who is Ms. kelly?

cooby Jan 08 2006 10:57 PM

She's the nun that wrote that article in Catholic Digest

metirish Jan 08 2006 10:59 PM

Ok, so what is Sister Kelly doing on this board, it seems I missed quite a bit while in Ireland.

Edgy DC Jan 08 2006 11:00 PM

Former poster. Last I heard, not actually in religious life.

vtmet Jan 08 2006 11:25 PM

Edgy DC wrote: Those six weeks are almost irrelevant if it can't be demonstrated what Castro and Piazza actually contributed to those wins and losses. merely coincidence? It's next to impossible to prove what results a pitcher would have had if a different "thought process" was behind the dish calling the pitches...one thing that I like about Castro and even when Jason Phillips would catch, is that their pitch calling wasn't as predictable as Piazza's was...I get so frustrated watching a Mets pitcher get a head in the count 0-2 or 1-2 and then Piazza would just keep calling for pitches low and away, at least 6 inches off the plate, until the count was full...whereas, Castro/Phillips would come after the batter a little more, calling for some inside pitches before going outside to keep the batters at a disadvantage...I don't know if you still have Pedro's opening day start from last year, but I just watched it about a month ago...in that first inning where Pedro gave up 3 runs, he was ahead in the count either 0-2 or 1-2 to all 3 batters that got hits that inning (and scored), and then after the bomb by Dunn, Pedro appeared to started throwing what he wanted instead of what Piazza wanted...

metirish Jan 08 2006 11:29 PM

Pedro calls his own pitches, no matter who caught him he had problems with what they were calling.

vtmet Jan 08 2006 11:40 PM

I seem to remember Jason Varitek doing Pedro's pitching in Boston...I think that first inning in Cinci., woke his ass up though...