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KC
Jan 07 2006 09:35 AM

I thought wolfie or someone started a thread, I can't find it. Maybe it fell off
the end of the forum in one of the archive thursdays.

Anyone have any experiences in getting cards graded? I have about 25 cards
from the 50's, 60's, and early 70's of HOF players. Years ago, I went through
a faze where I bought a nice card of a HOF player every month or so just to have
one on eBay and stuff (kinda bargain hunting) and start a collection up. I'm thinking
of re-starting and would like to get what I have so far slabbed and graded. I know
it's expensive to do small amounts and if anyone knows a place where one can
get a signifcant discount for bulk, maybe I would get the best my sixties Mets team
sets graded as well.

seawolf17
Jan 07 2006 10:17 AM

It was me, but I can't find it either. Regardless...

I haven't had anything graded. I'm a relatively small-time collector; I'm more interested in building a personal collection than preserving anything of real value. That's why I collect guys like Keith Hernandez and Kevin McReynolds; guys who have value to me, but maybe not to dealers down the road.

That said, there are a lot of grading services out there. PSA is the biggest, I think, but there's a membership fee to get cards graded. You could also find a local card shop or dealer who has a membership and ask them to send them in for you -- you'd probably just pay the grading costs.

From what I've read, BGS (Beckett Grading Services) tends to sell well; they're pretty well-regarded. There are a half-dozen others, some of whom have various specialtes (autograph authentification, pre-war vintage, etc.). If you're looking at regular vintage cards just to preserve them, I think you can probably go with any of the services and you'll be fine.

And you can send any leftover 1980s cards you have my way. :)

KC
Jan 07 2006 11:35 AM

I'll probably use Beckett, I don't like card shops and what they've become
and I don't want them to get a nickel of mine.

I was more wondering if anyone had any horror stories or suggestion of things
to watch out for. I'm not a very trusting soul of the card industry.

What kind of 80's stuff is seawolf looking for?

seawolf17
Jan 07 2006 02:29 PM

I'd say if you're looking to preserve cards for posterity, then your best bet might just be to buy a bunch of screw-down holders online ([url=http://www.bcwsupplies.com/]BCW Supplies[/url] is very reasonable) and store 'em.

If you want to display them, BCW has display cases also. I'd only spend the money on grading if your plan is to use them as some sort of financial investment. I know there are online places you can search to see how many of a particular card have been graded (at least by whatever company's site you're on), and you can get a feel if your cards are worth grading. If you have what you think are a bunch of 8s & 9s, and your search doesn't bring up that many, then I'd say go for it. If there are hundreds of well-graded cards out there, it might or might not be worth the cost of grading. Check eBay for searches with the year, brand, player, and "BGS" or "PSA" and see what the going rate is. Beckett removed their free online card price guide a few weeks ago, unfortunately.

My updated card site is in my CPF profile. I sold off the bulk of my collection five years ago to pay bills, and with infinite regret, I'm going back now and piecemealing it back together -- at least the pieces I want. Mostly I'm looking to finish the sets I collected when I was a kid: 1980-1991 Topps.

80: need about 200
83: need 5
84: done
85: need 1 (George Brett)
86: need 2 (commons)
87: done
88: done
81, 82, 89, 90, 91: haven't started reassembling yet

Plus I'm looking to complete the Kevin McReynolds, Keith Hernandez, and Jim Rice collections. (My favorite players as a kid.) I'll pop into the occasional card show around here -- when Ms. Wolf lets me go -- and spend a few bucks picking up odds and ends. But very few dealers sell what I'm looking for these days, unless I go to bigger shows, which for one reason or another, I never do.

Most of the industry is higher-end now; game-used cards, autographs, other relics. There is really some neat stuff out there now, but it's just way out of my price range. If I was living anywhere else in the world and didn't have the expenses I have, I'd have a bigger card budget, because I love doing it. But as it is, I'll buy little lots on eBay and current packs now and then.

At least soon I'll get to use the kid as an excuse to buy cards. We bought one of those 20-card display cases at Michael's last weekend, and I put cards in there to hang in the baby's room:

Row 1 - Mookie, Mex, Kid, El Sid, McReynolds
Row 2 - Reyes, Wright, Pedro, Beltran, Floyd
Row 3 - Kranepool, Buddy, Seaver, Ryan, Mazzilli (don't have any Koosmans, or he'd replace Maz)
Row 4 - Leiter, Piazza, Dykstra, Alfonzo, McEwing (John Franco will replace Super Joe eventually)

I'll probably swap guys in like Wagner and Delgado once Met cards of them exist.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 07 2006 02:36 PM

I can prolly help ya out with some 90s and 91s.

My bb card heyday was 72-78, and I've got billions of em (all dinged, defaced and very much loved) in cardboard boxes.

Starting in 89-90 and going to 92 I had a relapse related to the fact I was writing about 'em for work. I don't have the same emotional attachment to those cards, EXCEPT for the debut "Studio" set in 89 I think which I liked and gathered all but 4 cards from and would like to save. Maybe I can pull out that collection and see what I'm missing, maybe we can make a trade.

Methead
Jan 07 2006 03:10 PM

I sent in a couple batches of cards (44 cards, to be exact) to get graded a few years ago. I used Sportscard Guaranty (SCG). I was impressed with their service and their 100-point grading scale, but disappointed in some of the grades my cards were given.

Thing is, it's easy to look at a card and convince yourself it's better than it really is, unless you start inspecting them under magnification and all that jazz. Once it's sealed in plastic with that big number stamped on it, there's no going back.

Seawolf - I bet you could get late '80s / early '90s sets for next to nothing on Ebay, no problem.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 07 2006 03:16 PM

]Once it's sealed in plastic with that big number stamped on it, there's no going back.


That's gotta be the gayest thing you can do to a baseball card. I can see tucking them in looseleaf mylar sheets for display purposes, but AFAIC, as soon as you lose the ability to make a fort out of them baseball cards lose 70% of their value.

KC
Jan 07 2006 04:21 PM

Gayest? I guess I shoulda not asked and not told.

The cards I'm talking, like I said, are fifty and forty years old. I swear to ya'll
I ain't building no fort with them or closed-pinning 'em to my bikes' front tire
to make varooom sound. Most of them were bought on the cheap and most
are worth like four times what I paid for them not all that long ago. I haven't
done it a awhile, but if you pick a HOF player you want a nice card for on
eBay and know the card values and bid with some luck you can pick up
some quality cards cheap.

I'm just soliciting opinions of what to do with them. I think they should be graded.

I hope the thread turns to discussion of Mets' cards which I know a lot more
about than 1960 Whitey Fords.

Frayed Knot
Jan 07 2006 04:26 PM

"Years ago, I went through a faze"

I like this word.
If you go through a phase when you're involved in a fad, it should be described as a Faze.

I'd call the folks at SCRABBLE except that it's already a word under a different definition than my/KC's new one.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 07 2006 04:34 PM

Sorry. Difficult not to slip into the perspective of 10-year-old Johnny Dickshot when discussing bb cards. Pay no attention to that poorly behaved homophobic child.

Edgy DC
Jan 07 2006 04:46 PM

Faze has both fad and craze embedded.

KC
Jan 07 2006 04:48 PM

Nah, your response was funny. When I was ten I was flippin' baseball cards
at day camp - though I can't remember the rules today - it was a colors thing.

Methead
Jan 07 2006 04:52 PM

I build forts out of the plastic slabs. They're a lot more structurally sound than the cardboard forts. Waterproof, too.

seawolf17
Jan 07 2006 08:37 PM

="KC"]Nah, your response was funny. When I was ten I was flippin' baseball cards at day camp - though I can't remember the rules today - it was a colors thing.

Definitely a colors thing, at least when I was a kid. The best cards were the 85 Topps. You'd each have a set of ten or twenty or whatever cards, face down, and you had to match the color called by the card in front of you. For instance, let's say I flipped my first card:



My choices are red and grey. I'd call "red." You'd then flip:



Which would not match. You'd call "blue." (Well, you'd call "orange," because there was very little orange in that year's set, but let's say you called blue.) I would then flip my second card:



That's a match, and I'd get that stack of cards. Then you would flip your next card, and the game would continue.

That's the way we played.

Methead: I know... that's where I've been filling most of my needs.

seawolf17
Jan 07 2006 08:45 PM

KC wrote:
The cards I'm talking, like I said, are fifty and forty years old. I swear to ya'll I ain't building no fort with them or closed-pinning 'em to my bikes' front tire to make varooom sound. Most of them were bought on the cheap and most are worth like four times what I paid for them not all that long ago. I haven't done it a awhile, but if you pick a HOF player you want a nice card for on eBay and know the card values and bid with some luck you can pick up some quality cards cheap.

Then I'd grade 'em.

Zvon
Jan 07 2006 08:52 PM

At one time, back in the early 90's, I had a collection of every Topps Met baseball card ever printed.1962 to 1994. (Fleer and Donruss too, and started on Upper Deck but the hobby went out of control around that time,imo)
Took quite afew years to assemble.It was my pride and joy.

Most of it was lost in what Ill only refer to as 'the unfortunate purge'.

I was fortunate to have had the oldest and most expensive cards of the collection seperate from the bulk of commons, which were kept in binders.
Any card worth over $100 bucks was stored in a fireproof safebox.

I still have those cards, all in great shape and in hard plastic.

Great story behind the '67 Topps Seaver rookie.
But you'd really have to know and appreciate what a dozen '84 Mattingly Donruss rookie cards were worth in around '87/'88.
Good story behind the Ryan too. Got that card for 45 bucks.
(I can scan these if u wish to see--they are in awsum shape)

I dont sell cards, just collect them, and I can see what kind of shape a cards in easily enough.
And thats all that matters to me.
I would NEVER mail any card I value away to be graded.
(I would do it if I was allowed to stand right there with the person grading it until it was done. But to what end? Im not interested in selling them and their value is what I put on them>IE-I think Seavers hi-number '67 rookie should list at a higher price than Ryans more common '68 rookie)

Two of my brothers dabble more in buying and selling of baseball cards, and did mail some cards to be graded years back. Id have to refresh my memory with the details from them, but they did not enjoy the experience.

Bret Sabermetric
Jan 07 2006 08:53 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
the gayest thing you can do to a baseball card.


Somebody (not me) remarked on another messageboard that when you're a kid, you're collecting baseball cards. Once you past your teens, you're just collecting pictures of men.

Zvon
Jan 07 2006 08:59 PM

="seawolf17"]





This card may have had more to do with my resurgence into the hobby and the hobby becoming serious than anything else..

I collected as a kid,....70 to,mmmmmm 77ish.
And started again when the Mets had some awsum rookies like Gooden come up.
Getting his 84 Fleer traded set rookie was a quest.
I guess its just a common card anymore.:(*sob*
I havent looked at price guides for many years.

seawolf17
Jan 07 2006 09:06 PM

Coulda bought eight of 'em for [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-OF-1985-topps-DWIGHT-GOODEN-rookies-qty-of-8_W0QQitemZ8743603663QQcategoryZ26364QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]three bucks[/url].

The Clemens rookie from that year was one of the ones I was missing; it killed me to have to buy one, but I got one on eBay for six bucks, including shipping. I thought that was a pretty sweet deal.

Anyone who has any of the cards on my need list, please feel free to drop me a line.

Zvon
Jan 07 2006 09:10 PM

seawolf17 wrote:


That's a match, and I'd get that stack of cards. Then you would flip your next card, and the game would continue.

That's the way we played.



thats the great thing about the cards we grew up with, and why they are the real deal and the golden age of baseball cards.

We stuck our favorites in our spokes,...flipped em, tied em up with rubber bands and stuck in our pocket to go down to the playground and play colors.

Thats why the cards from the 50s,60s,70s,..and yea,..even alot of the 80s are the cards that should REALLY be worth something. All of em.
Cause people werent aware of what they were worth.

Today people are just TO aware.

Baseball cards these days?
Theres a different mindset.
Its more like a mini stock market.

Zvon
Jan 07 2006 09:14 PM

seawolf17 wrote:
Coulda bought eight of 'em for [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-OF-1985-topps-DWIGHT-GOODEN-rookies-qty-of-8_W0QQitemZ8743603663QQcategoryZ26364QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]three bucks[/url].

The Clemens rookie from that year was one of the ones I was missing; it killed me to have to buy one, but I got one on eBay for six bucks, including shipping. I thought that was a pretty sweet deal.

Anyone who has any of the cards on my need list, please feel free to drop me a line.


That '85 Gooden was always a tuff one to find a real nice print of.

Clemens was also in that '84 Fleer traded set, but he wasnt a Met so im sure I used that card to fund my Met collection. last time it was in my hands it may have been worth $100 in the priceguide.
Im afraid to look what its listed for now.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 07 2006 09:58 PM

I have that Clemens asshead rookie card, and prolly in decent shape too.

I'd sooner set it on fire than collect whatever it's worth, cuz the former would be more satisfying. Maybe I'll go scan a few.

seawolf17
Jan 07 2006 10:06 PM

Well, crap. You could have sent one to me and saved me six bucks. :)

Willets Point
Jan 08 2006 12:26 AM

The original baseball card thread is archived here. Didn't much action, in fact this new baseball card thread surpassed the original in less than six hours.

Zvon
Jan 08 2006 12:46 AM

I love that Sidd Finch card.:)

And Im not a fan of the current hack up stuff and stick em in cards trend.
They are hackin up fine collectables to make smaller collectable bits.

My brothers like em though. They like when they find a Met one that has part of the logo or uni number or ets.

Edgy DC
Jan 10 2006 04:36 PM

Great glasses, great portrait, great name = great card.

Willets Point
Jan 10 2006 04:58 PM

He looks about 50 years old and more like a guy who works in a hardware store than a baseball player. Cool card though.

Edgy DC
Jan 10 2006 05:05 PM

Yup. Gene Brabender, among his other remarkable achievements, predicted the rise of Drew Carey by about 20 years.

seawolf17
Feb 10 2006 04:47 PM

LOVE the '06 mlb.com fantasy preview graphics.



Old skool, baby.

seawolf17
Feb 15 2006 01:50 PM

Two random thoughts while looking through a random lot of late 80s-early 90s Mets cards I picked up this weekend:

** On the back of Mackey Sasser's 1991 Score card, you'll find the following blurb:
]Along with the surge in Mackey's hitting was an all-around improvement in his play behind the plate. Strong-armed, with a quicker release than previously, he threw out eight of 17 would-be base stealers at one point. To cap his defensive resurgence, Mackey became the first Met catcher to throw out Vince Coleman in 58 tries.

** One of the forgotten guys in the Whitehurst/Tapani deal in 1987 was Jack Savage. He spent '88 as a swingman in Tidewater, going 5-8, 3.18 with 13 saves. But for some reason, he has a 1989 Donruss Mets baseball card. It's too bad he never made it to Shea, because he has a good shifty-eyed blue-hatted photo.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 15 2006 02:23 PM

I'm always happy to find shifty-eyed blue-hatted photos.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 15 2006 02:24 PM

="seawolf17"]LOVE the '06 mlb.com fantasy preview graphics.



Old skool, baby.


I like those, too, but to me, this is old school:

RealityChuck
Feb 15 2006 02:33 PM

I started collecting seriously in 1961 and kept at it until 1994. Best thing is that I have them all.

Tom Seaver's rookie card, for instance, showing Tom and the immortal Bill Dennehy*. Paid about 1 cent for it.

I've got a couple of Mets from 1962. No hats, of course.

Alas, it's no fun anymore. A baseball card shouldn't be glossy on the back, and having to keep some in a safe deposit box really takes the joy out of it.

We did flip cards -- you just called odd or even. Two head or two tails = even. But no one thought they were valuable. Best example:

You would often have special rookie cards that had two players from different teams. At the time, my brother kept his cards organized by team. So for these, he'd split the card -- peel the front from the back, then cut the card in half and paste it to card stock. So you would have the player's picture on one side of the card stock, and his stats on the other.

I have a Rod Carew rookie card that was treated this way. (Luckily, I also have an intact version.)

*Best known for being traded to Washington so Gil Hodges could manage the Mets.

Edgy DC
Feb 15 2006 03:38 PM

Wow. Sometimes you wondered if they deliberately put out those combined cards just to make little kids go nuts trying to come up with an organizational logic.

seawolf17
Feb 15 2006 04:10 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 15 2006 04:11 PM

Wouldn't it be cool to be Bill Denehy, or Bob Bonner (one of the "other guys" on Cal Ripken's rookie card), or Ken McMullen (Pete Rose), or John Hilton (between Ron Cey and Mike Schmidt)? Not only did you get to be a professional ballplayer, but you can brag that your rookie card sells for a couple hundred bucks.

seawolf17
Feb 15 2006 04:11 PM

edit: double post

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 15 2006 04:12 PM

metsmarathon
Feb 15 2006 04:22 PM

am i alone in thinking that reads as "mnets"?

Johnny Dickshot
Feb 15 2006 04:28 PM

Now do Victor Zambrano on a 1974 Topps.

Zvon
Feb 15 2006 04:40 PM

="seawolf17"]LOVE the '06 mlb.com fantasy preview graphics.



Old skool, baby.

LOVED THAT PREVIEW!
I went and screen grabbed every Met in that set seawolf.

Did you see the Piazza?
Met picture but Padres border.


And Lo Duca, Marlins pic and Met border.
Jacobs still pictured as a Met.
I always loved stuff like that(opposed to how they used to poorly draw the new hat on the player).
They had two versions of Nady, one OF and one 1B (maybe the only player done up so) and a card for Milledge.

I never realized how much I really liked that '85 design until I saw that preview thing. At the time I found the '85 Fleer set to be superior in design and focused on collecting that one. But the '85 Topps, its simplicity and the inclusion of the team logo.......it was a great pure baseball card, looking back.
It brought back memories.

Yancy...are there more Met cards available from the 2 types youve posted?

Zvon
Feb 15 2006 04:43 PM

One of the pride and joys of my remaining collection isnt even a player card.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 15 2006 04:46 PM

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 15 2006 04:49 PM

Zvon wrote:
Yancy...are there more Met cards available from the 2 types youve posted?


Not sure what you mean.

seawolf17
Feb 15 2006 04:50 PM

I do enjoy how Topps brings back the old designs. They did a few "archives" sets, where they reprinted older cards. Then there's the "Fan Favorites" sets, where they use old designs, with old photos, for new cards:



The last few years, they've released "Heritage" sets, with '50s-era designs for current players:



This is the '05 Bowman Heritage, which mirrors the '51 Bowman set.

Zvon
Feb 15 2006 05:17 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
="Zvon"]Yancy...are there more Met cards available from the 2 types youve posted?


Not sure what you mean.


I mean whered ya get em?
What are the from?
Are there more?
I collect Met images.
If theres more just steer me in the right direction. <^>

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 15 2006 05:42 PM

I Photoshopped them this afternoon.

Zvon
Feb 15 2006 05:51 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I Photoshopped them this afternoon.


no shit.
GREAT WORK!

Zvon
Feb 15 2006 06:00 PM

Those years were 3 of my PRIMO collecting years.
I loved those cards.

Ill never forget the 1st time i saw an IN ACTION card in the '72 set. I was like KOOL!
(I think the '71 set was the 1st to use some action shots for player cards)

This is a photoshopped one, but they looked just like this:


Yancy Street Gang
Feb 17 2006 09:57 AM

More fun with Photoshop:







Johnny Dickshot
Feb 17 2006 10:21 AM

Greeat work.

Now show me Cliff Floyd on one of those hideous 1975 Topps cards (the ones with dual-colored borders)

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 17 2006 10:39 AM

Johnny Dickshot
Feb 17 2006 10:44 AM

Excellent. Now a challenge: Get me a current Met on a 1974 horizontal.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 17 2006 10:59 AM

Johnny Dickshot
Feb 17 2006 11:10 AM

This is great.

Carlos Beltran: 1977 Topps

1976 Topps: Heath Bell

1970 Topps had the guy's name in script and the team name floating on top of the image. Your challenge: Steve Trachsel.

Edgy DC
Feb 17 2006 11:24 AM

Seventy five was awful. Like hideous paneling on a basement re-finished in 1973.

seawolf17
Feb 17 2006 12:12 PM

But '75 had two great rookie cards:



I'd include Jim Rice and make it a trio, but he's a personal fave and not Met-related.

Edgy DC
Feb 17 2006 12:15 PM

Not a whole lot of Dutch boy cuts on big-league baseball cards. Nice job, Tom Veryzer.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 17 2006 12:24 PM

seawolf17
Feb 17 2006 12:24 PM

Bob Sheldon is a member of the Bill Denehy Club also:

Garner -- 16 seasons, .260 (plus 11+ seasons as a manager)
Hernandez -- 17 seasons, .296
Veryzer -- 12 seasons, .241
Sheldon -- 3 seasons, .256 (in 262 total AB), 0 HR, 17 RBI, 0 SB, 4 CS

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 17 2006 12:46 PM



I'm gonna pass on Heath Bell, at least for now. Thanks for the challenges, Johnny, I enjoyed meeting them.

Amazingly, my PC has the exact font that was used for the script on those 1970 cards. (I matched it up with Don Cardwell's card and it was a perfect match.) The font is called Kaufmann, for any would-be 1970 Photoshoppers out there.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 17 2006 08:33 PM

In case you're wondering, I'm also posting these to the memories pages of the players on the cards.

mlbaseballtalk
Feb 17 2006 10:23 PM

Okay Yance, pick your favorite "League Leader" card year from the 70's and do all the All-Time Mets in those cateories

IIRC they were just Average, HR and RBI for the hitters, either Winning Percentage per 10 wins or Victories, ERA and Ks for pitchers

Zvon
Feb 19 2006 09:50 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]
Amazingly, my PC has the exact font that was used for the script on those 1970 cards. (I matched it up with Don Cardwell's card and it was a perfect match.) The font is called Kaufmann, for any would-be 1970 Photoshoppers out there.


I was gonna ask cuz that was the perfect font.

I really have enjoyed viewing these cards you made Yancy.
Especially because of the nod to the 70s layouts.

I did a series of LEADERS cards for that set I made back when.

seawolf17
Feb 20 2006 02:27 PM

And the 2006 Topps set has hit the stores. Bought a couple of boxes at Walmart -- one for me right now, one for the baby when he gets here. First card on top of the first pack I opened... Pedro Martinez.

edit: Side note... in an update of the old airbrushing days, apparently, players like Delgado, Wagner, LoDuca, and Johnny Damon are pictured -- in action -- Photoshopped in their new uniforms. Didn't get any of them, but some of them are up on eBay. Interesting.

Zvon
Feb 20 2006 07:48 PM

="seawolf17"]And the 2006 Topps set has hit the stores. Bought a couple of boxes at Walmart -- one for me right now, one for the baby when he gets here. First card on top of the first pack I opened... Pedro Martinez.

edit: Side note... in an update of the old airbrushing days, apparently, players like Delgado, Wagner, LoDuca, and Johnny Damon are pictured -- in action -- Photoshopped in their new uniforms. Didn't get any of them, but some of them are up on eBay. Interesting.


Topps messed up bigtime when they stopped putting the new years cards out right b4 Xmas.
Cuz my bros and I would buy each other boxes for Xmas and have what we called pack parties over the holiday.
Im curious to see those new photoshopped cards.
*Z goes surfin~~~~

mlbaseballtalk
Feb 20 2006 08:53 PM

Heeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr's JOHNNY!



The NEW YORK lettering looks off, probably because it appears more like their pre mid-70's style sans that very white trim

Delgado's on the lower left:

[list=]

By the way, nifty thing Topps is doing is, they are reissuing # 7 and doing #7 cards retroing back to the first year of the "retirement" Well they are all Mantles

I think they rested the use of Mantle's image from its exclusivity with Upper Deck so I think thats part of the reason for the Mantle Mania this year[/list]

Frayed Knot
Feb 20 2006 10:16 PM

I was just reading about that Damon card the other day.
They started producing that about 10 minutes after the singing and said they used the NYY road uni because it's easier to fake than the pinstripes.

Johnny Dickshot
Feb 20 2006 11:13 PM

It's obviously not at MFY Stadium, so there's that too. But looks like Delgado's in a home uni at ProPlayer.

Edgy DC
Feb 20 2006 11:31 PM

Is Clemens even under contract to play?

metirish
Feb 20 2006 11:34 PM

I don't think he is, form what I read he will make his mind up about playing after the WBC, and if you believe what is in the papers then several teams are after him, Sox, yanks, Rangers and Houston, his kid is in the Astro system so they might be favorites to sign him.

Zvon
Feb 20 2006 11:48 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
But looks like Delgado's in a home uni at ProPlayer.


still, thats great photoshop work.
A far cry from the old painting the hats on em.

The '06 cards look great!
Gonna have to get me a box.

mlbaseballtalk
Feb 20 2006 11:56 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
It's obviously not at MFY Stadium, so there's that too. But looks like Delgado's in a home uni at ProPlayer.


Yeah! They couldn't photoshop out the Marlin guys in the dugout?

LOL

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 21 2006 10:08 AM

Zvon wrote:
="Yancy Street Gang"]
Amazingly, my PC has the exact font that was used for the script on those 1970 cards. (I matched it up with Don Cardwell's card and it was a perfect match.) The font is called Kaufmann, for any would-be 1970 Photoshoppers out there.


I was gonna ask cuz that was the perfect font.

I really have enjoyed viewing these cards you made Yancy.
Especially because of the nod to the 70s layouts.


Thanks, Zvon. I'll probably do more when the spirit moves me. My favorite is the 1971 Mike Piazza. It reminded me of how exciting it was, as an eight-year-old, to find a 1971 Tom Seaver in a 15 cent pack of cards. My favorite Topps years are from 1971 through 1973; it was the peak of my baseball card frenzy. I like the 71's the best. They're simple and elegant. The 1972's are wonderful in that they're so hideous. And they don't even include the player's position on the front of the card. Finally, anyone who visits any UMDB player page can see my affection for the 1973 cards.

As for that Kaufmann font, I think I spotted it again yesterday afternoon when watching David Letterman. On the marquee outside the Ed Sullivan Theater, Dave's name on the Late Show with David Letterman logo appears to be in that same font as the 1970 Topps cards. I'll have to search Google to see if I can find a history of that font.

seawolf17
Feb 21 2006 11:22 AM

Wow! Yancy's TV gets David Letterman in the afternoons! He must be in the Pacific Ocean somewhere.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 21 2006 11:23 AM

TiVo.

Zvon
Feb 21 2006 10:20 PM

="Yancy Street Gang"]

Thanks, Zvon. I'll probably do more when the spirit moves me. My favorite is the 1971 Mike Piazza. It reminded me of how exciting it was, as an eight-year-old, to find a 1971 Tom Seaver in a 15 cent pack of cards. My favorite Topps years are from 1971 through 1973; it was the peak of my baseball card frenzy. I like the 71's the best. They're simple and elegant. The 1972's are wonderful in that they're so hideous. And they don't even include the player's position on the front of the card. Finally, anyone who visits any UMDB player page can see my affection for the 1973 cards.

I started around the same time,70, and collected regularly until about 77.
'71 was also the 1st set I collected to completion.
Damn, I loved those cards. The black border.
Of couse, getting all the Mets was my favorite thing, and
the World Series cards.
The one with Brooks, it was such an awful picture of the catch off Bench,
but I still thought it was the koolest WS card ever when I first saw it.
Well, not as kool as Agee's, I guess.(the Mets '70 WS cards should have been in color!)



Even in after i stopped collecting on a regular basis i made a point to try
and get the Mets cards and if they had em in the set,
the World Series cards.

Methead
Feb 22 2006 08:58 AM

The 1971 Topps Nolan Ryan is one of my favorite cards ever... although I didn't acquire it until a few years ago.

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 23 2006 09:43 AM

A couple of more 1973's:

Edgy DC
Feb 23 2006 09:45 AM

I keep wanting to turn those over and read the back.

Willets Point
Feb 23 2006 11:59 AM

Brooks Robinson looks like he's crawling across the desert in search of water.

Edgy DC
Feb 23 2006 01:10 PM

The grounds crew that had to drag that desert did a great job though.

mlbaseballtalk
Feb 26 2006 05:04 PM

Oh this is a cool photoshop of Billy Wagner in Home Pinstripes!

Zvon
Feb 27 2006 01:10 AM

mlbaseballtalk wrote:
Oh this is a cool photoshop of Billy Wagner in Home Pinstripes!



wowzers!

seawolf17
Mar 04 2006 11:27 AM

Hey, check out this cool limited edition 2006 Topps card I pulled from a pack today!

ScarletKnight41
Mar 04 2006 11:53 AM

That should be his birth announcement! :)

seawolf17
Mar 04 2006 01:10 PM

And indeed, that's exactly what it is.

ScarletKnight41
Mar 04 2006 02:15 PM

What are his stats?

Zvon
Mar 04 2006 08:13 PM

He's gonna start a whole new fashion with the wool cap under the hat.
Im gettin me one a those wool caps.

Yancy Street Gang
Apr 05 2006 06:29 PM

From the Philadelphia Inquirer:

]
Baseball trying again to play its cards right
Refreshing your memorabilia.
By Don Steinberg
Inquirer Staff Writer


The billboard that appeared Saturday outside AT&T Park, home of the San Francisco Giants, said "Trade Barry." It looked like one of those message ads paid for by concerned citizens, in this case by fans wanting the Giants to dump embattled slugger Barry Bonds.

If it wasn't immediately apparent that the big sign was the launch of a commercial campaign - to promote collecting and trading baseball cards - that may be because few people really think about baseball cards these days.

The Bonds billboard is part of an intense and perhaps desperate effort to save the baseball card from irrelevance. Yesterday, a second billboard went up with the punch line: "Trade Barry's Cards with Topps!"

Baseball card sales have been declining by about 15 percent annually for nearly a decade, and Major League Baseball says its licensing revenue from cards today is about one-third of what it was in 1991. The slide has come during a period when nearly everything about baseball's finances - TV revenues, jersey sales, team values - has exploded.

The baseball card "business has gone from being a $1 billion business in the U.S. 10 years ago to about $120 million now," said Robert Routh, an industry analyst at Jefferies & Co.

In February, the Topps Co. announced layoffs (it also will move its Bazooka gum manufacturing to Mexico), and the company's chief executive officer stated a new imperative to try winning back the customers it allowed to wander away.

"There is no question about it," Topps chief executive officer Arthur Shorin told stock analysts. "We've got to bring kids back."

The long decline can be at least partly blamed on the rise in other forms of entertainment available to children, such as Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards, video games, and computers. But Major League Baseball itself has had a hand in losing its youngest fans, and card companies have methodically watered down their own product.

There was a time when baseball cards mattered. Every spring brought the thrill of tearing open that first, pristine wax wrapper, releasing a plume of sugary gum-powder and a whiff of fresh-cut cardboard, and there they were inside: Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton, AL RBI Leaders, Andy Etchebarren, Vic Davalillo, Manny Mota.

There were a few hundred cards per year, and when you got the Pete Rose card, you had the Pete Rose card.

Then, like most pure and good things, the world of baseball cards was spoiled.

Collect 'em all today? No flipping chance. Last year, there were 200,000 different baseball cards issued, in nearly 100 different sets, most of them aimed at adult collectors and investors.

"Take a guess how many different Alex Rodriguez cards there were in 2004," said Colin Hagen, vice president of licensing at Major League Baseball. His unfathomable answer: There were 1,900 unique A-Rod cards in 2004.

The statistics get more incredible. Sixty percent of all baseball cards ever issued were released from 1999 to 2005. That's counting the entire history of baseball cards, which date from 1867.

"In the late '80s, people started realizing that the old cards were valuable, and adults became involved in collecting," said Warren Friss, Topps' vice president of sports. Prices of vintage cards for Mickey Mantle and other stars skyrocketed. New cards got pricey, too - some as high as $10 or $100 per pack.

Cards were produced with foil stamping and UV coating, some bearing player autographs. Some had tiny pieces of memorabilia - swatches of uniforms or slivers of bats - embedded in them like holy relics. Cards became investments to be protected in Lucite casing, not to flip and play with.

"Adults wanted all sorts of different cards, so we produced some of that," Topps' Friss said. "The leagues licensed more people to make cards. We were getting fewer kids buying, but the market was still growing."

Actually, the market was flooding.

"Which leaves you with no shelf life for the product, no inherent value as a collectible, and just too much for anybody to get," MLB's Hagen said. "A fan would try to collect a set, come back into a store three weeks later, and there would be 15 new items - but the set they started collecting wouldn't even be there anymore."

So a lot of traditional customers decided not to be there anymore, either.

"We've been telling them for 10 years" that the hobby was losing young collectors, said Bill McAvoy, 58, a retired podiatrist from Omaha, Neb., who travels to one memorabilia show per month selling vintage cards. Last month, he was at the Philadelphia Sports Card and Memorabilia Show in Fort Washington, Montgomery County, where the aisles were crowded with 50-ish men.

McAvoy sat behind his museum-quality display of early- and mid-20th century cards. He said he still owns some of the cards he collected as a boy, and knows which ones they are.

"I wrote my initials on the back," he said.

Rich Budnick, a dealer of vintage cards from Fair Lawn, N.J., laid some of the blame for the loss of young collectors on Major League Baseball.

"The problem is kids can't watch the most important games because they're on too late," he said. "It would go a long way if they would just make the playoffs and World Series games a little earlier."

That isn't planned. But this spring, Major League Baseball has launched an ambitious effort to rescue baseball cards. The league has licensed only two companies, Topps and Upper Deck, to produce 2006 cards. (When Mount Laurel-based Fleer went out of business last spring, it actually helped the industry.) The move will reduce the number of baseball card sets from 90 in 2004 to, gulp, 40.

"You're going to see more marketing dollars spent on baseball cards in 2006 than in the last 25 years combined," MLB's Hagen said.

Card companies this month will begin to advertise on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network, and Topps has launched a Card Club with Sports Illustrated For Kids magazine. The companies have promotional deals with Little League and Cal Ripken Baseball. They will have giveaways and retail kiosks in nearly every major-league ballpark. Cards in some 2006 Topps packs contain video game tips, and points accumulated for buying Upper Deck cards can be used toward buying music on iTunes.

The challenge is to make baseball cards "more meaningful and relevant" to kids, Friss said. "It's not like the 2.5-by-3.5-inch card is foreign to them. They've been buying them, it's just been Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon."

Jack Meehan, a fifth grader at Quarry Hill Elementary in Yardley, Bucks County, agrees.

"Probably even 75 percent of our school likes Yu-Gi-Oh better than sports cards," he said.

Still, there is hope. He used to be "obsessed" with Yu-Gi-Oh. Now, the 10-year-old, who loves the Phillies and Sammy Sosa, has a collection of more than 500 baseball cards.

"If you go to a store and get the cards, then you go in the car, you're so excited when you open up the cards," he said. "If you get this really good card, you call up all your friends and say, 'I can't believe it.' "

That's exactly what baseball card companies want to hear.


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Contact staff writer Don Steinberg at 215-854-4981 or dsteinberg@phillynews.com.

GYC
Apr 05 2006 06:51 PM

My dad has tons of cards, boxes and albums full, but mostly of football. My favorite card, though, is one he gave me, an autographed rookie card of Tommie Agee.

Elster88
May 03 2006 09:05 AM

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2429888&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos2[/url]

Ballplayer's card trading for $2,550 because it's not supposed to be out yet.

Updated: May 2, 2006
This card costs 'cause you aren't supposed to have it
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

Alex Gordon has yet to play a single game in the major leagues and yet his rookie card is the hottest in all of baseball, selling for as much as $2,550 in recent weeks.

Is Gordon the Kansas City Royals' next great player? Could be. But that isn't why his card, which is No. 297 in Topps' 2006 set, is worth that kind of money.

The piece of cardboard is worth that much only because it never should have been produced in the first place.

Last year, in part to reduce confusion in the marketplace, the Major League Baseball Players Association ruled that card manufacturers could make rookie cards only of players who either made the 25-man roster or played in a major league game the season before. Gordon didn't qualify either way. After he led Nebraska into the College World Series, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2005 draft didn't sign his contract -- including a $4 million signing bonus -- until late September.

"At the last second, we realized we had made a mistake, so we pulled the cards, destroyed them by cutting out the photo and then destroyed the plates," said Topps spokesman Clay Luraschi.

But a fan named Jeremy Troutman pulled five of Gordon's cards on a shopping trip in his hometown of Wichita, where, coincidentally, Gordon is playing Double-A ball for the Wranglers this season.

"I went to Wal-Mart, bought two boxes, and got two in the same pack," Troutman said. "So I bought seven more boxes and got another three in the same pack."

Troutman, whose story first appeared in the Wichita Eagle, opened 1,000 packs to find his five cards. He sold all five of them to different collectors for a total of $5,761.79.

Troutman had the right idea. The Gordon cards are believed to exist only in the earliest shipped packs, many of which went to Wal-Marts across the country.

But before you raid your local Wal-Mart in search of a bonanza, you should know that the odds of a payday like Troutman's aren't in your favor. Fewer than 20 of the Gordon cards have shown up for sale on eBay, leading some in the collectibles industry to believe that the card is as rare as they come. Luraschi is confident that fewer than 100 cards got out.

A few weeks ago, Jason Mauk, owner of the card store "In The Zone" in Hagerstown, Md., purchased one of the cards from the wholesaler who provides boxes for his store. After hearing the story, Mauk paid $1,000 for it. He then put it up on eBay and sold it for $1,425.

"I've sold thousands of cards online and I've never had 2,000 hits on one auction like I did in this case," Mauk said. "I've never had 100 people put a single auction on their watch list like I did with this card."

John Schulteis, a 28-year-old from Mission, Kan., bought one of the Gordon cards from Troutman for $895. Schulteis, who buys to sell, currently has the card up for auction.

"The fact of the matter is that Topps is the most collected brand out there, and this card ruins it for people in that they won't be able to have it in their set," Schulteis said.

The last major error of this magnitude in the trading card industry happened in 1989, when a Fleer card featuring Billy Ripken was released that carried an obscenity clearly written on the knob of the bat Ripken was holding. Fleer's attempted cover-up created more than six versions of that card, but the original remained the hottest property, selling for hundreds of dollars at the time. Today, that card can be had for $5.

Some think the price of the Gordon card is worth more than other error cards because of his great potential as a player. In his first full season as a pro, Gordon is batting .326 with 6 home runs and 12 RBI with the Wranglers.

"If he turns out to be a superstar, the price can be sustained for a long time," said Rich Klein, price guide analyst for Beckett, a collectibles publisher. "If he's a flash in the pan, people will still remember it, but they won't care as much."

But Schulteis doesn't agree that Gordon's star potential is much of a factor in the frenzy.

"The fact of the matter is that Topps is the most collected brand out there, and people won't be able to have a complete set without getting this card," Schulteis said. "The scarcity of the card means much more than the caliber of player this guy is or does become."

Like the Ripken card, other versions of the Gordon card have emerged. One version has the photo missing and so just includes the thin card borders, and it has been selling in the $30 to $50 range. A full Gordon card that just has his name on the front and a blank on the back has sold in the $100 to $200 range.

What does Gordon himself think? He was shocked when he first heard about the value of his card.

"One of my buddies said he searched the card online, just as a joke to see how much I was worth," Gordon said. "And he told me, 'Your card is selling for hundreds and hundreds of dollars.' I thought he was joking. It blew my mind."

So far, Gordon hasn't come into possession of any of the valuable cards, but he says he does a double-take every time he signs an autograph to make sure he stays on the lookout for one.

And he certainly isn't complaining about the error.

"Topps is helping to get my name out there," Gordon said. "I should send them a thank you card or something."

BASEBALL CARD ERRORS
• 1969 Topps Aurelio Rodriguez: picture of team batboy Leonard Garcia
• 1981 Fleer John Littlefield: picture is reversed
• 1985 Topps Gary Pettis: picture of Pettis' younger brother
• 1987 Donruss "Opening Day" Barry Bonds: picture of Johnny Ray
• 1985 Donruss Tom Seaver: picture of Floyd Bannister
• 1988 Topps Al Leiter: picture is Steve George
• 1989 Upper Deck Dale Murphy: picture is reversed
• 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken: obscenity on bat knob
• 1990 Donruss John Smoltz: picture of Tom Glavine
• 1990 Donruss Juan Gonzalez: picture is reversed
• 1990 Topps Frank Thomas: has no name on front

Elster88
May 03 2006 09:06 AM

]1989 Fleer Billy Ripken: obscenity on bat knob
Haha

Lots of Mets and Met fathers in there. What no-good organization can't even get their cards right?

Edgy DC
May 03 2006 09:19 AM

Donruss was clearly screwing up on purpose to boost sales. Who doesn't notice when Seaver isn't Seaver?

The seller's market on that card is absurd (and further boosted by that article plus the presence of e-bay). The the value is going to seriously depress in a few months, unless Alex Gordon debuts on fire.

I wonder how many people paid thousands for a first printing of Primary Colors only to see the bottom drop out of the market.

seawolf17
May 03 2006 09:25 AM

This story's actually been around a while in the card community; it just hit the major media because of the guy who pulled five of the cards. I'm hoping the market bottoms out on this one, because I was hoping to complete the set for MiniWolf, and it's got a big Card #297-sized hole in it right now.

Topps knew what they were doing here; this kind of "mistake" seems too obvious. FWIW, Topps screwed up a lot in this year's set; lots of typos, mixed-and-matched Photoshopped team uniforms and card border colors, halfassed card selection, screwed up photos, etc. Somewhat of a disappointment, methinks. But hell, I bought it anyway.

Edgy DC
May 03 2006 09:37 AM

]This story's actually been around a while in the card community; it just hit the major media because of the guy who pulled five of the cards.


Right, which should bring out a whole lot of new demand from bidders less than experienced with the market.

When Eddie Murray hit his 500th homer, a neo-rich guy who made a ton of money with the Psychic Friends Network (Michael Laskey) got caught up in the hype (he was from Baltimore) and paid $500,000 for it. The market value, and the next highest bid, was more like $30,000.

Edgy DC
May 03 2006 09:43 AM

"That was done out of hype," said Jimmy Spence, president of PSA/DNA vintage authentication services, a division of Collectors Universe, Inc. "We have a saying in the hobby: Things can sell for a tremendous amount of money if all the moons are aligned exactly. If you have one guy who is really hot for something, it means nothing. You need two psychos out there. If you're paying half a million dollars for an Eddie Murray ball, you're a psycho."
Maybe there was another.

SteveJRogers
May 03 2006 12:54 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
]This story's actually been around a while in the card community; it just hit the major media because of the guy who pulled five of the cards.


Right, which should bring out a whole lot of new demand from bidders less than experienced with the market.

When Eddie Murray hit his 500th homer, a neo-rich guy who made a ton of money with the Psychic Friends Network (Michael Laskey) got caught up in the hype (he was from Baltimore) and paid $500,000 for it. The market value, and the next highest bid, was more like $30,000.


My all time favorite example of the lack of any understanding about the card market is still the 10.00 (or whatever it was) Nolan Ryan/Jerry Koosman rookie card!

True story, sometime in the early 1990's right when Ryan-Mania really was running wild (Ryan was a Ranger by this point) some card shop clerk, who clearly had no clue who Nolan Ryan was, put a grossly under valued price sticker on the Ryan/Koosman card based on his error, book value was in the 1,000 range and he put a decemil point in instead of a comma and the card's sticker price turned into 10 bucks!

So some kid, who clearly was a hobby follower, comes in, sees the card and asks if the price is right, dumb clerk says yes it is, and viola a 10 dollar Ryan rookie card!

Kid then proceeds to trade the card for a Seaver rookie and some other vintage high end stuff so he couldn't even return the card!

Willets Point
May 03 2006 01:03 PM

seawolf17 wrote:
I'm hoping the market bottoms out on this one, because I was hoping to complete the set for MiniWolf, and it's got a big Card #297-sized hole in it right now.


Of course you could insert the "Robert" card as #297.

Adorable picture by the way.

seawolf17
May 03 2006 01:08 PM

When we made the cards, I thought about numbering it #297 on the back and slotting it in there, but nobody would get the joke except me. So I numbered it as card #1 instead.

Edgy DC
May 03 2006 01:24 PM

]When we made the cards, I thought about numbering it #297 on the back and slotting it in there, but nobody would get the joke except me.


And Willets, apparently.

Centerfield
May 03 2006 01:28 PM

Great job with the photoshops guys. Isn't it funny how our perception of baseball cards depends on the year we started watching the game?

To me, baseball cards will always look like this:

Yancy Street Gang
May 03 2006 01:32 PM

You're right, CF. 1971 was my first year as a fan, and to me the essential baseball card looks like this:

Willets Point
May 03 2006 01:32 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
]When we made the cards, I thought about numbering it #297 on the back and slotting it in there, but nobody would get the joke except me.


And Willets, apparently.


I only get the joke now, but seawolf made the cards two months ago.

SteveJRogers
May 03 2006 06:12 PM

This would be from my first set to ever put together

SteveJRogers
May 03 2006 06:15 PM

Though I have a real softspot for the stuff that came out a year later:




I have a framed wall mounting of that years Mets set, I believe they managed to get most of the 24 man postseason roster, I'll have to double check

Willets Point
May 03 2006 06:18 PM

My first baseball cards were inherited from my uncle who gave me about 350 of the 1978 Topps set:

SteveJRogers
May 06 2006 01:27 AM

This is a pretty darn good card, and you can get it pretty cheap. Really, thanks to overproduction of base sets and the High End craze of paraell (sp) sets and memorabillia/autograph cards and Lord knows what else, you can find this first apperance in a Topps base set of one of the top 5 catchers of all time as well as a borderline HOFer



Also an ex-Met for 4 games before becoming another nameless and faceless backup backstop and a fellow drafted by the Yanks who never played a single MLB game!

seawolf17
May 16 2006 01:53 PM

Bought two boxes of 1991 Donruss wax packs for a buck each this weekend. There wasn't anything of any real value in this set, but I opened one box just for the heck of it. Two quick observations:

** The Mets' "Diamond King" in that set? Dave Magadan. Yikes.



** Always weird to see Gary Carter in a Giants uni.



note: This is not the regular-issue card, it's from one of the subsets they produced that year -- but you kinda get the point. The photo on the card above was taken at Shea, though, which is funny. Actually, I think the vast majority of baseball card photos from that era were either taken in New York or Chicago. Interesting.

A Boy Named Seo
May 16 2006 02:02 PM

That's Shea? It kinda looks like turf and red seats? Busch maybe?

SteveJRogers
May 16 2006 02:08 PM

Yeah, no way is that Shea, the back of the dugouts were never that blue and if that is the wall, its a bit too short. Its Busch

seawolf17
May 30 2006 03:51 PM

Bump for all the recent baseball card discussion.

RealityChuck
May 30 2006 09:23 PM

Baseball cards? The first baseball cards I bought predated the Mets: I started in 1959. I do have several original Mets: Bob Miller, Chris Cannizaro, Jay Hook, and Roger Craig. I got Miller in '62, but picked up the rest later.

I also have Tom Terrific's rookie card. Rod Carew's rookie card. Maury Wills's first card (Wills refused to let himself be on a card until he was traded to Pittsburg in 1967. When he was in the minors, Topps didn't sign all players and when they asked the Dodgers if Wills would make the club, they said he had no chance. Once Wills made the team, he turned down Topps for ignoring him. He did appear in a Dodgers uniform on a card in 1970, when he was traded back to them. I have that one, too.) These, and many others are in my safe deposit box.

I stopped collecting in 1994. At that point, I had at least one representative sample of every Topps issue except the 1952 blue back. I never started up; once the back of the card was in color, they lost all interest for me.

Zvon
May 30 2006 09:31 PM

RealityChuck wrote:

I stopped collecting in 1994.


I stopped collecting at just about the same time.
Ill buy a pack here and there over the years since, but just for the old jones of openin a pack.

I think for me, it was the amount of card companys and the average price per pack that turned me off.
I could afford it, but I didnt think it was right to pay like 3 dollars a pack.
Baseball cards should be affordable for the kids, even if it means toneing down the flashy stock and graphics.

seawolf17
Jun 14 2006 12:07 PM

I have to put a plug in for The Bench, which is, hands down, the best active baseball card community I've found. I'm almost done completing my old sets (still need seven 1980s and nineteen 1981s) making trades on this site... so if anyone's interested in trying to work out baseball (or other sport) card trades, I highly recommend it.

[url=http://www.thebenchtrading.com/thebench/index.php?referrerid=3495][/url]

soupcan
Jun 14 2006 12:43 PM

1975 was the year I really started collecting



It seemed like I got a Nolan Ryan in every pack.

I have a big tupperware container in my attic with a crapload of cards from a million different years.

If the junior soupcans want 'em, they're theirs.

seawolf17
Jun 20 2006 01:24 PM

Hurry, hurry... step right up and get your Alay Soler rookie cards...



Sold for [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Topps-Ser2-Rookie-SP-RC1-Alay-Soler-Mets_W0QQitemZ8831695841QQihZ005QQcategoryZ20876QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]$80[/url]
Sold for [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/Alay-Soler-2006-Topps-Series-2-SHORT-PRINTED-ROOKIE-RC1_W0QQitemZ8829640651QQihZ005QQcategoryZ20876QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]$63[/url]
Up to [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Topps-Series-2-ALAY-SOLER-Short-Print-RC_W0QQitemZ8830160728QQihZ005QQcategoryZ638QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]$58.51[/url] as of this post

This pricing has nothing to do with Soler's current or future success; apparently, Topps short-printed the card in their Series 2, which came out this week. It's not even on the checklist. Why they chose Soler to short-print is beyond me.

RealityChuck
Jun 20 2006 10:24 PM

I decided to use one of my cards for my avatar. I had to cut off part of it to fit.

cleonjones11
Jun 20 2006 10:41 PM

I am a professional card dealer on ebay only at seller moops-baseball

Mets are selling again.. Wright is gold...Reyes is hot...not much market for Pedro..Milledge scalding hot!!!!

Edgy DC
Jun 20 2006 11:22 PM

]The Mets' "Diamond King" in that set? Dave Magadan. Yikes.

Who is and isn't a Diamond King is a source of controversy back at the Dugout.

SteveJRogers
Jul 03 2006 05:28 PM

="seawolf17"]Hurry, hurry... step right up and get your Alay Soler rookie cards...



Sold for [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Topps-Ser2-Rookie-SP-RC1-Alay-Soler-Mets_W0QQitemZ8831695841QQihZ005QQcategoryZ20876QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]$80[/url]
Sold for [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/Alay-Soler-2006-Topps-Series-2-SHORT-PRINTED-ROOKIE-RC1_W0QQitemZ8829640651QQihZ005QQcategoryZ20876QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]$63[/url]
Up to [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-Topps-Series-2-ALAY-SOLER-Short-Print-RC_W0QQitemZ8830160728QQihZ005QQcategoryZ638QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]$58.51[/url] as of this post

This pricing has nothing to do with Soler's current or future success; apparently, Topps short-printed the card in their Series 2, which came out this week. It's not even on the checklist. Why they chose Soler to short-print is beyond me.


Loses are a burning thing
And they make a firey ring
Pitched, in a wild fire
My card value fell into a ring of fire

It fell into a buring ring of fire
Price went down down down
Rasing Met fan's ire
And it burns burns burns
Here in Norfolk, here in Norfolk...

All apologies to Mrs. June Carter-Cash and Mr. Merle Kilgore!

ScarletKnight41
Jul 03 2006 05:31 PM

If I got a Soler card, I'd put it in my kid's bicycle spokes.

seawolf17
Jul 03 2006 08:36 PM

No, you'd sell it on eBay. (Or you'd send it to your dear friend who would love to have one for his card set for his newborn son.)

ScarletKnight41
Jul 03 2006 09:36 PM

True - that's an option :)

Willets Point
Aug 02 2006 11:03 AM

Bump.

seawolf17
Aug 13 2006 10:18 PM

Topps just released another "retro" set, this time updating the old Allen & Ginter's set. The Allen & Ginter tobacco company issued a set of 50 sports cards in [url=http://www.wclynx.com/burntofferings/adsallen_and_ginter.html]1887[/url] titled The World's Champions, Series One. This N28 set included ten baseball players, plus oarsmen, wrestlers, pugilists, rifle shooting, billiard players, and pool players. Besides the hard to find baseball cards, Miss Annie Oakley and Buffalo Bill Cody are favorites among cigarette card collectors. These wonderful cards were inserted into Richmond Straight Cut slide-in-shell packets of ten cigarettes.



Topps brought back the old design and the old concept, putting together a beautiful 350-card set.



All the major players are there, as well as celebrities like Takeru Kobayashi (the hot dog eating guy), Jennie Finch, and Mike Tyson. In addition, the set features historical figures, such as the Wright Brothers, Kaiser Wilhelm II, and a handful of presidents.

I dig the hell out of this set; the cards are gorgeous, and in four packs I've pulled a Beltran, a Wagner, and a Ryan Howard autograph:

SteveJRogers
Aug 14 2006 10:54 PM

Sweet stuff.

By the way, I swear I think a set exists but I can't find verification of it, but sometime early in the Mets HOF run (probably the year the original broadcast trio got inducted) they had a set of cards of all the Met HOFers up to that point (Joan Payson, Bill Shea, Stengel, Weiss, Hodges, Murphy and may or may not also the broadcasters) given away at Shea.

The only reason I ask is this would be clearly the only known card of Payson, and Shea, and probably the only known card of Johnny Murphy as a GM (MFY cards of the Fireman plenty available) and could be the only known card of Lindsey Nelson (Murph and Kiner got on cardboard in the 2002 All Amazin Team set by Fleer)

Anyone know anything about this set?

Willets Point
Aug 15 2006 04:09 PM

Steve exists again!!!

cooby
Aug 15 2006 04:10 PM



This is lovely

KC
Aug 20 2006 11:51 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 20 2006 01:01 PM

Re: the cards they gave out last night, are they generally available or was it
only a Shea give-away? How many cards are there in all. I'd like a set and am
willing to trade my dupes to complete one.

My inventory:

Gooden 2
D Johnson 2
Mazzilli 2
Mitchell 3
Straw 3

SteveJRogers
Aug 20 2006 12:11 PM

This is the same stuff we got as well

For those interested, here the cards are on an ebay auction:



I like the fact that Maz's return was from 1986-1989 yet Topps chose an early 1980's picture for Maz's card

Starting to wonder if the reason Straw was pressured into coming was that Topps didn't want the embarrasment of Kevin Mitchell being the only guy represented in the pack to be at Shea =;) SC = 1986

In the promo on the Mets website they made it seem there were much more cards availiable, this would be like the Mothers Cookies sets (SK, is THAT where you got your old handle from? =;) ) handed out on the West Coast and Texas teams (company was taken over by Keebler and no longer exists) throughout the 1980's up to the early 2000's.

Essentially you got a pack that included extras and had to trade with other fans, ect. I'm not sure of the mechanism that could get you the full set though, as I do see complete sets packaged in the Mothers/Keebler packages pop up on eBay

SteveJRogers
Aug 20 2006 12:19 PM

Okay, it appears Mothers Cookies still is in buisness, just they haven't done the Stadium Give Away sets in a long time, and Keebler took over the mantle during the last few years of the style's history, stopped sometime in the early 2000's

Zvon
Aug 20 2006 01:55 PM

I really hated the 86 topps card style.
But they were black and white borders--making the black part blue was a nice touch.

SteveJRogers
Aug 20 2006 01:58 PM

Kind of had a 1971 retro look. The next year I think they were going for the 61 retro look with the wood grain border

Zvon
Aug 20 2006 02:02 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:
Kind of had a 1971 retro look. The next year I think they were going for the 61 retro look with the wood grain border


Yea-
but the two tone look in 86--it made off center cards stand out like 10 times worse looking. They should have gone with just one color like the 71 cards.
I loved that years style.
Firts set I ever collected to completion.

SteveJRogers
Aug 21 2006 11:23 PM

Quote from the "Cards Lost their luster" thread

Edgy DC wrote:
I clipped this from... somewhere.

The New York Mets are teaming up with Topps and Hyundai to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the 1986 team that won a World Series title. On Aug. 19, the first 25,000 fans to enter the stadium will receive a set of cards in the style of 1986 Topps cards. The set includes Darryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, Ray Knight, Davey Johnson, Gary Carter, Kevin Mitchell, Keith Hernandez, Sid Fernandez, Ron Darling, Howard Johnson and Roger McDowell.


Hmmm, Davey check, Gooden check, Mitch check, Straw check.

List does not mention Mazz (Davey's card is a check list back and only lists the aforementioned 5 out of 5) so wheres Knight, Gary, Keith, Sid, Darling, HoJo and Roger?

Zvon
Aug 22 2006 04:46 PM

SteveJRogers wrote:

Hmmm, Davey check, Gooden check, Mitch check, Straw check.

List does not mention Mazz (Davey's card is a check list back and only lists the aforementioned 5 out of 5) so wheres Knight, Gary, Keith, Sid, Darling, HoJo and Roger?


....In a different pack?

ScarletKnight41
Aug 22 2006 05:03 PM

Zvon wrote:
="SteveJRogers"]
Hmmm, Davey check, Gooden check, Mitch check, Straw check.

List does not mention Mazz (Davey's card is a check list back and only lists the aforementioned 5 out of 5) so wheres Knight, Gary, Keith, Sid, Darling, HoJo and Roger?


....In a different pack?


MK opened three packs (his, mine and D-Dad's), and all three of them had identical cards.

seawolf17
Aug 23 2006 06:26 AM

All six of us got the same cards too. Very odd, considering a Carter card was the image they used to promote the giveaway!

seawolf17
Aug 29 2006 01:09 PM

So I've decided to put together a binder of Mets history for MiniWolf, featuring Topps baseball cards through the years. I spent a few days selecting nine cards from each set, trying to get a balance between representing the stars multiple times and getting as wide a variety of players as I can. Working through eBay and through [url=http://www.thebenchtrading.com/thebench/index.php?referrerid=3495]The Bench[/url], which is where I spend most of my time that isn't spent here, I've done pretty well; I only need about 130 more cards (!!). It's a crazy project, but I'm having a lot of fun putting it together... and it's something we can build together every year as he grows up.

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 29 2006 01:16 PM

It's really not my intention to be a party pooper. But it's as I said in Steve's thread in the other forum, don't make any assumptions about what your kid's interests are going to be. Don't set yourself up for too big a letdown if he doesn't give a damn about the Mets, or baseball, or whatever else.

And more importantly, don't ever put yourself in a position where your kid will feel that he's disappointing you if he doesn't share your interest.

seawolf17
Aug 29 2006 01:16 PM

(Don't tell my wife; it's an excuse for me to buy baseball cards. It really has no bearing on the kid whatsoever... he's six months old.)

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 29 2006 01:18 PM

(I'll keep my mouth shut!)

(Can you send me your wife's e-mail address and phone number? Thanks!)

ScarletKnight41
Aug 29 2006 01:25 PM

Only my third is a baseball fan. But it's a fandom that makes up for his siblings' lackings.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 29 2006 11:06 PM

Yancey - "And more importantly, don't ever put yourself in a position where your kid will feel that he's disappointing you if he doesn't share your interest."

Well said, but a little brainwashing while their impressionable doesn't hurt.

MFS62
Aug 31 2006 03:46 PM

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=228&p=2&c=562951

Later

Willets Point
Oct 03 2006 06:04 PM

Looking forward to the 2007 cards commemorating the great Mets moments in the upcoming NLDS.

seawolf17
Oct 03 2006 09:48 PM

I love Willets' creative bumps.

Another Topps turn-of-the-century design set hit the market this week, the 2006 Turkey Red. Modeled after the old T3 Turkey Red set from the early 1900s, the set features very cool old-style artwork.


An original T3 Cy Young and a somewhat newer original 2006 Turkey Red card

I'm still working on the Allen & Ginter set mentioned earlier in this thread, so I don't know that I'll spend a lot of time or money on this one, but I did buy a pack just for kicks today and I pulled a Billy Wagner "white variation" (instead of the grey border like on the Wright above, the border is white -- they have red and black variations in varying degrees of short-printings as well), so that was nice.

SteveJRogers
Oct 06 2006 07:31 PM

Man, Topps is definatly going all out with their retro kicks.

Funny, they kind of played around with it when they relaunched Bowman in 1990 (or maybe it was 89, IIRC) but then scratched that and pretty much let Bowman be just another high end set loaded with Rookie Cards

I guess the success of the Mickey Mantle Archives set really "set the tone" for the whole retro and retired player craze thats been around for about 10 years now.

See thats what I mean with Mickey Mantle is the Elvis of baseball!