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Yancy Street Gang
Jan 12 2006 11:15 AM

These are the 138 players who currently don' t have mug shots on the UMDB. That doesn't mean that each one of them has been elusive. There are some for whom I've only seen inadequate photos. Others I probably haven't even looked for. The sequence is in order of priority.

For those of you who may have forgotten:

ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 11:24 AM

Here's Jaime Cerda, with a young fan -

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2006 11:26 AM

C.J. Nitkowski.



The only man to report that God didn't want him to be a Met.

Elster88
Jan 12 2006 11:30 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2006 11:30 AM

MiniKnight is probably far and away the most photographed individual on this forum.


Ty Walker:

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 12 2006 11:30 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
C.J. Nitkowski.
The only man to report that God didn't want him to be a Met.


Nobody else did, either.

ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 11:36 AM

Does a B-Mets cap count? lubitul took this photo of Eric Cammack -


ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 11:37 AM

Matt Watson, as a B-Met (again, a lubitul shot) -

ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 11:39 AM

Pat Strange -

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 12 2006 11:44 AM

Nope, B-Mets don't count, but thanks anyway.

I'll use the Cerda picture (don't be offended if I edit out the red hair near his neck!) and maybe the Nitkowski. The Walker picture is too grainy, however, and on an artificial background, something else I prefer to avoid.

But thanks, though. I appreciate all of the pictures, even the ones I can't or don't use.

ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 11:49 AM

Edit away Yancy.

Cerda was very nice to my kids on a couple of occasions. This was one of them - I was trying to snap a picture while he was signing for MK, and Cerda suggested that they pose for the photo.

The other time was when we were in Milwaukee in 2002. We were in front of the Mets' hotel when they were coming out to go on the bus to the stadium. Cerda was on his cell phone, and couldn't handle juggling the phone and trying to sign autographs for the kids, so he told the person on the phone that he was busy and that he'd have to call him back. He was a nice guy with kids.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 12 2006 11:53 AM

]You can't go wrong with cocktail weenies. They taste as good as they look, and they come with this delicious red sauce. It looks like ketchup. It tastes like ketchup. But brother, it ain't ketchup!


That sounds like something that Randy would say on My Name is Earl.

Is that where that's from?

ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 11:55 AM

No - it's from The Simpsons' Black Widower episode, from Season Three. Aunt Selma marries Sideshow Bob in the episode - one of my favorite Simpsons episodes ever. Plus, considering how bogged down I am in party details at the moment, I couldn't resist using that tag line for a while.

Meanwhile, this photo of Mike Bacsik is better than the one you have on your site, IMO -

OlerudOwned
Jan 12 2006 11:57 AM


Bottalico
(The first link I saw on google (when I spelled his name wrong) called him Blowtalico and suggested he was "the worst Royal ever".)

OlerudOwned
Jan 12 2006 12:07 PM

Danny Garcia

ScarletKnight41
Jan 12 2006 12:20 PM

Here's Rick White -

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 12 2006 12:22 PM
Edited 9 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2006 12:47 PM

Can't help you with a blue hat, but here's a couple Guthrie's. Don't ask me why I have two photos of Mark Guthrie.



Snead:



Jersey Jones:



White:



Kane:



Cerda:



Thomson:



Brady Clark:



Strange:



Middlebrook:



Steve Reed:

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2006 12:29 PM

MLB.com has a lot of the back-end 2005 mets guys. Not blue caps or anything, Or does their history of phtoshoppage ban all thier photos? The Mets were the only teams these guys played for, so they should be real hats.

Andy Hernandez



Mickey DiFelice



Juanito Padilla



The awesome nostrils of Josito Santiago

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2006 12:33 PM

Felicity:

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 12 2006 01:09 PM

It's mainly the glassy-eyed look and the solid grey background that keeps me from using such photos. I figure if I'm patient I'll find something better.

A bunch of good photos among those above. I'll certainly use the Thomson one, and I like the Steve Reed.

Can anyone track down a Mauro Gozzo? For the Other Bob Gibson, I think the only possibility would be from a WWOR or SportsChannel screen capture from the one game that he pitched in.

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2006 01:24 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2006 04:00 PM

Maybe you can put a sub-optimal photo in there for some guys, but create a column of code in your database to remind you to keep looking for a better photo.

G = Good photo, more or less

H = need blue Hat.

C = need Color photo

B = just need Better photo.

That way guys don't get neglected while you stand on ceremony. And you can continue to approach 100%, if never perhaps quite reaching it. but I bet you thought you'd never get a Larry Bowa.

Heck, the Wifey Watch wouldn't get anywhere if I waited for good pictures.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 12 2006 01:49 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 12 2006 03:18 PM

Here's some in-action alternates, with fewer glassy eyes and grey backgrounds:

Springer:



Velandia (in orange!):



Mark Little:



Jersey:



Guthrie:



Esix:

Edgy DC
Jan 12 2006 02:03 PM

Jersey looks mighty stoned.

Guthrie should have been released just for striking that pose.

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 12 2006 03:21 PM

Grey background unfortunately, but he's got a blue hat at least.

The other Glavine:

seawolf17
Jan 12 2006 03:23 PM

And there ain't gonna be too many "action" photos of him.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 12 2006 03:49 PM

Wow, is that really Mike Glavine? I didn't even know he had ever been photographed.

Yes, that's a usable picture. Thanks!

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 12 2006 04:22 PM

Here's the article where I found that Glavine shot.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nym/news/nym_news.jsp?ymd=20030925&content_id=543736&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp

Elster88
Jan 12 2006 04:28 PM

Middlebrook in a spring training hat:

Elster88
Jan 12 2006 04:31 PM

BAM



(if it's him)

Elster88
Jan 12 2006 04:33 PM

Here's a couple that are definitely him for comparison:



Elster88
Jan 12 2006 04:42 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
MLB.com has a lot of the back-end 2005 mets guys. Not blue caps or anything, Or does their history of phtoshoppage ban all thier photos?


I think those get deleted each year, so hurry up and save them to your site if you're going to use them!

OlerudOwned
Jan 12 2006 06:57 PM

Jeremy Griffiths, with a blue hat

OlerudOwned
Jan 12 2006 07:05 PM

and Pat Strange sportin' the blue cap

OlerudOwned
Jan 12 2006 07:14 PM

It'll need to be blown up to the point where it's probably worthless, but I found Espinoza

No need for multiple posts
Allen Watson at the metliest I could find him


I need a life

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 13 2006 09:52 AM

Thanks everybody. I've used twelve of the above photos (and may come back for more.) The Ultimate Mets Database now has photos of 645 of the 771 Mets, or 83.657587548638132295719844357977 per cent. (I decided to round the number to 30 decimal places.)

A few of those photos, I noticed, were from a site called hackwilson.org. I was curious, and visited its home page, which didn't tell me much: http://www.hackwilson.org/

Anyone know anything about this site? The name intrigues me.

ScarletKnight41
Jan 13 2006 11:07 AM

The Jaime Cerda photo looks great. I'm thrilled to have contributed something to the UMDB :)

Bret Sabermetric
Jan 13 2006 11:26 AM

You already contributed plenty, Scarlet, when you were the ringmaster behind that whole Billy Wynne scheme.

ScarletKnight41
Jan 13 2006 11:34 AM

I was more like Hoover in Animal House - "We can't have a toga party. We're on double secret probation, whatever that is."

Bret - "TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!"

Willets Point
Jan 13 2006 11:43 AM

Billy Wynne, unusually popular Met. Hee, hee!

Bret Sabermetric
Jan 13 2006 11:44 AM

Would you girls like to see my imitation of a zit?

A Boy Named Seo
Jan 13 2006 12:54 PM

Yancy, that domain's one of mine. I had all those pictures stored on a computer and just pushed them to that site. I've got to dress it up now that peeps are peepin'.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 02:03 PM

Ah, Billy Wynne.

That right there is one high-quality thread: Discussion of a Beastie Boys video & lyrics, Jim Carroll lyrics, a visit from my favorite Cranepooler, Purveyor of Pomposity IV, all wrapped up in a completely worthless yet time-consuming pursuit of Met history. I see SI Metman still uses the avatar I loaned him, and all turned out OK as an angry database guy turns out to be a forgiving Yancy Street Gang.

As I recall it, I was interested in who Billy Wynne really was, and was inspired to do the ranking thing by an article in the New Yorker in which the author bought several copies of the same book from Amazon to experiment with how its "most popular" rankings were affected.

Elster88
Jan 13 2006 02:28 PM

That's a great Middlebrook pic. I don't think you'll be finding much better in terms of background or blue hat.

OlerudOwned
Jan 13 2006 04:43 PM

Tony Castillo


Eric Cammack


Hinchliffe, his 2 innings and 8 earned runs


Jorge Velandia


Do you need to see the front of the cap? If not, Bob Gallagher



Danny Garcia, this time in blue


DeJean looking DeJected

Willets Point
Jan 13 2006 04:48 PM

I just looked up Billy Wynne for old-time's sake. Looks like YSG found a picture for him at last.

cooby
Jan 13 2006 04:53 PM

I predict a surge of Billy Wynne lookups. I just did

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 13 2006 04:56 PM

Only four missing faces from that 1967 team.

Hey! Tom Seaver got large again.

cooby
Jan 13 2006 04:59 PM

He got invisible over in the book forum, I just posted as a guest

Edgy DC
Jan 13 2006 05:06 PM

He still looks medium-sized form my seat.

Brad Clontz, from the fraternity of Met sidearmers.


IN a switcheroo, his insignia is photoshopped off. His cap looks a little dark, and this may be him at Shea, but pitching for the Braves or somebody.

Edgy DC
Jan 13 2006 05:16 PM



Bob Rauch.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 05:41 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
Only four missing faces from that 1967 team.


And Bob Johnson, who really rocked the casbah that year, is one of them.

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 06:49 PM

Joe Nolan:

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 07:03 PM

These aren't looking too good.

Brock Pemberton:

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 07:11 PM

Joe Grzenda:

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 07:17 PM

Ike Hampton:

Johnny Dickshot
Jan 13 2006 07:21 PM

Bob W. Johnson (1967)

seawolf17
Jan 14 2006 08:56 PM

A blue-hatted Mike Bordick

seawolf17
Jan 14 2006 08:59 PM

A clearer Alejandro Pena

seawolf17
Jan 14 2006 09:02 PM

Big enough Jerry Martin? And a floating-headed Don Rowe?

Edgy DC
Jan 14 2006 09:04 PM

Is Peña the most confident looking pitcher or what?

Zvon
Jan 16 2006 06:27 AM

Hey, great response here from the board.

But no photoshoppin?!
aww, thats my specialty.
I figure we could definately close out that list with a little of that.

Like this Bob Johnson:


Ill look thru my image library and see what i can find.
Some may be group pictures where im not to sure who the 'ell is in it,lol.
And more likely B&W.
Your doin good here tho Yancy.
Youve picked up alot. :)

Zvon
Jan 17 2006 01:18 AM

="Johnny Dickshot"]Joe Grzenda:



you have Paint Shop pro or Photoshop, Yancy?
These pics can be sharpened and seem to look better shrunk.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 17 2006 08:02 AM

Photoshop. My version is a few years old, though.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 17 2006 02:53 PM

Another new feature, statistics broken down by month:

http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0701&tabno=9&vMonth=ALL&vYear=2005

Elster88
Jan 17 2006 04:04 PM

Cornelius had a filthy June.

seawolf17
Jan 17 2006 04:06 PM

Not only that, but June's been his best month as a Met by far. All three years, he's been healthy and whacking the crap out of the ball.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 17 2006 04:06 PM

Schaefer Mets Player of the Month.

Frayed Knot
Jan 17 2006 04:38 PM

]Another new feature, statistics broken down by month


Pitchers' W-L stats don't seem to be breaking out per month

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 17 2006 04:54 PM

Huh! I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 17 2006 05:06 PM

Fixed:

http://ultimatemets.com/profile.php?PlayerCode=0151&tabno=9&vMonth=ALL&vYear=1969

Zvon
Jan 17 2006 09:18 PM

ya know, Ive visited the UMDB for many yrs, kinda on a hit and run basis when im looking for a stat or fact. Never really just spent time there.

More recently I have, and I have to say the depth of the site is really amazing.
But you guys all know that already.
Just a nod to Yancy.
*Z tips his hat*

Edgy DC
Jan 18 2006 12:21 PM

Wow, when did Wally Backman crack the top 20?

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 18 2006 06:56 PM

He's been there since November 2004, when he had that Diamondbacks thing.

He's pretty close to falling off, though.

Edgy DC
Jan 18 2006 07:54 PM

I guess I only notice some of my guests when they show up at the party and when they leave.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 18 2006 08:14 PM

Zvon wrote:
ya know, Ive visited the UMDB for many yrs, kinda on a hit and run basis when im looking for a stat or fact. Never really just spent time there.

More recently I have, and I have to say the depth of the site is really amazing.
But you guys all know that already.
Just a nod to Yancy.
*Z tips his hat*


Thanks, Z! Now that the UMDB has a full set of box scores, I plan to slice and dice and present the data in a few additional ways. Stay tuned.

Zvon
Jan 22 2006 12:22 AM

I found a Butch Metzger.
Hes in a Met jersey, but no hat.:(

Bret Sabermetric
Jan 22 2006 05:04 AM

I hat Metzger.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 26 2006 01:46 PM

Another new feature:

Enhanced ballpark page

One thing that surprised me was who the Mets all-time Astrodome batting average champion was.

Edgy DC
Jan 26 2006 02:00 PM

I don't have time to check this out, but I'm enticed by it. We know (or have a good idea of) which Cardinals and Dodgers regularly destroyed us, but instinctively it's not as clear who were the Mets all-time Giant-slayers, Cub-clubbers, Cardinal-rulers.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 26 2006 02:07 PM

This is only by ballpark. So you'll see which Mets did well at Three Rivers, but not overall against the Pirates.

That's still to come. Stay tuned.

Edgy DC
Jan 26 2006 02:47 PM

And Phillie-busters.

Willets Point
Jan 26 2006 02:50 PM

Remember the Cub Busters t-shirts from 1984?

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 27 2006 04:29 PM

More new stuff:

http://ultimatemets.com/oppteams.php?ThisTeam=08&tabno=E

http://ultimatemets.com/oppteams.php?ThisTeam=08&tabno=F

Edgy DC
Jan 27 2006 05:06 PM

Darryl Strawberry, Pirate Hunter.

Yancy, you're doing a great yob. I think streamlining the features you currently have, though, is just as important as introducing new features.

For instance, when one clicks the transactions link, we get a thirty-foot page of every transaction, rather than a drop-down menu to select a year. Other chronological features come out that way also (such as game memories vs. the Pirates).

And columns on the hitting stat profiles for OBP and OPS would be very welcome.

But big applause for the revelation that the all time Phillie-Buster was... Wally Freaking Backman!

Zvon
Jan 27 2006 11:53 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
More new stuff:

http://ultimatemets.com/oppteams.php?ThisTeam=08&tabno=E

http://ultimatemets.com/oppteams.php?ThisTeam=08&tabno=F


that is fanominal stuff Yancy!

Clendenon legged out 10 triples against the Mets?!
Who knew?

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 30 2006 09:33 AM

Here's a list of the website that have referred the most traffic to the UMDB in January. Some familiar sites, and some that I'm not so familiar with. I haven't checked them out yet, but I thought I'd share them here. Maybe there's some undiscovered gem of a site out there.

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 30 2006 09:39 AM

Edgy DC wrote:
Yancy, you're doing a great yob. I think streamlining the features you currently have, though, is just as important as introducing new features.

For instance, when one clicks the transactions link, we get a thirty-foot page of every transaction, rather than a drop-down menu to select a year. Other chronological features come out that way also (such as game memories vs. the Pirates).

And columns on the hitting stat profiles for OBP and OPS would be very welcome.


I'd love to do OBP, but getting all of the components of OBP during the season has been problematical. If I can figure out a way to do it that doesn't involve investing a lot of my time, I would like to add it. (And then OPS would easily follow.)

I have been gradually making the site less "vertical." Before the addition of the blue tabs on various pages, all the information was presented on one long page, from top to bottom. That will probably continue. Doing that on the transactions page, though, would simply replicate what's on the various pages for the individual seasons. (You can see all 1985 transactions on the Transactions tab of the 1985 page, for example.) Maybe the big long page with the 900+ transactions has outlived its usefulness. I'll have to think about that one.

You're right about the game memories page; maybe I'll split that into decades if not seasons. If someone were to print out all Pirates game memories, it would be 47 sheets of paper! That's a page that's definitely too vertical.

Zvon
Jan 31 2006 04:07 PM

I dont know if you picked these up yet thru the thread or not, but they were on the pg1 list.
I have old backup CDs from my old PC with many Met images, and I found these on one of those.
Scans from the 2000 yeabook, i think.

Velandia

Cammack


(i dont mean to be a noodge but if your list was in alphabetical order it would be much easier and faster to reference)

Yancy Street Gang
Jan 31 2006 04:22 PM

It's in order of lookup popularity. The theory is that the guys who are looked up more frequently are in greater need of a mug shot.

Zvon
Jan 31 2006 04:52 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
It's in order of lookup popularity. The theory is that the guys who are looked up more frequently are in greater need of a mug shot.

I hear ya.
Its just whenever I find a pic I have to go thru the whole list to see if you need it.
No biggy tho.
What Ill do is go straight to the site, look em up, and see if they have a pic.

mlbaseballtalk
Feb 01 2006 07:12 PM

The whitest of all whales is still "The Other" Bob Gibson

As I said in my fan memory comment on the site, when the Mets did their "Every Met To Play In A Game" card set in 1991, they had a card of everyone, except for Bob Gibson. Why? Because the fellow on the card was in fact the 1981 pitching coach, the HOFer, Bob Gibson!

TOBG had a pretty mediocre run in Milwaukee though and wound up on a number of early 80's cards as a Brewer so he is not "cardless" though

Even most other "count the number of games played on one handers" can be found through various means, but Gibson didn't even stay in the organization long enough to be snapped for a media guide/yearbook photo!

You find TOBG and I'm sure Yancy will be forever in your debt!

Edgy DC
Feb 01 2006 07:33 PM

Fruster-ating.

He was cut out of camp by the White Sox, but the Mets didn't sign him until April 7, with camp over and media guides and yabbuks printed. Mine is revised yearbook, but he didn't get in there either (but a12-year-old Preston Wilson --- in a blue cap --- did).

Yancy Street Gang
Feb 01 2006 07:33 PM

The only hope is probably one of those guys who trade in videos. It might be possible to capture a screen shot from that one game.

Edgy DC
Feb 01 2006 07:37 PM

It's only right that the card set got him wrong. The only reason he's hit so much at UMDB is because he's confused with the OBG.

You down with OBG?