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NFL Playoffs
cooby Jan 07 2006 10:15 AM |
For those of us who do care
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metirish Jan 07 2006 10:25 AM |
I'm pulling for good games and the Giants.
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holychicken Jan 07 2006 10:50 AM |
Giants, damnit! Although, my confidence in them isn't all that high. . . but I will still be pulling for them.
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KC Jan 07 2006 11:24 AM |
I guess I don't care who wins - but I'll root for Santana Moss just to have
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Yancy Street Gang Jan 07 2006 12:13 PM |
I don't plan on watching (although you never know) but I hope the Giants win.
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Frayed Knot Jan 07 2006 12:27 PM |
I'll generally watch a good chunk of the playoffs and, while I'll pull for the Gints to do well, it's not like I have a ton of edge-of-seat rooting interest. If a game's good I'll hang with it, if not ...
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ABG Jan 07 2006 12:48 PM |
Edge of my seat, no more fingernails, high blood-pressure rooting for the Giants.
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soupcan Jan 07 2006 01:04 PM |
Had a ticket to the Giant game but can't make it.
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cooby Jan 07 2006 01:16 PM |
Oh yeah, have fun at that!
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TheOldMole Jan 07 2006 01:17 PM |
GIants all the way.
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PatchyFogg Jan 07 2006 02:10 PM |
Here's the interview/Giants Playoff Preview that we did with Beat Writer Ralph Vacchiano on Thursday night:
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Elster88 Jan 07 2006 03:04 PM |
I'm on the Giants bandwagon for the playoffs. I kind of don't want the Colts to win it all.
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metirish Jan 07 2006 04:45 PM |
I hate this TV crew that are doing the Redskins game....
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cooby Jan 07 2006 05:05 PM |
At least you can hear them. The sound on our TV is out
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OlerudOwned Jan 07 2006 05:15 PM |
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Theisman: [The crowd] knows it's the first round of the playoffs! Where the hell would they have heard that?
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KC Jan 07 2006 05:38 PM |
Oh, I forgot ... I will always root for Peyton Manning and his calling plays
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Nymr83 Jan 07 2006 06:49 PM |
i guess i'm rooting for the Seahawks (my preseason pick to win it all) just to be right. I'd like to see the Bears win though as i love good D.
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Willets Point Jan 07 2006 11:55 PM |
Go Patriots.
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metirish Jan 07 2006 11:57 PM |
It's a pleasure to listen to two pros like Michales and Madden do a game, especially after enduring the BS from the other crew.
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KC Jan 08 2006 11:03 AM |
Saw four guys at the Mobil Mart this morning gassing up a fully tailgate
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TheOldMole Jan 08 2006 01:26 PM |
Lawrence Taylor on the sidelines. The way the Giants' linebacker corps is going (already lost one today) we may be seeing him before the game is over.
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TheOldMole Jan 08 2006 01:30 PM |
Giants are gonna have to establish the passing game.
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KC Jan 08 2006 02:34 PM |
That was ugly half a football game for the Giants. They're lucky to only be down 10.
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KC Jan 08 2006 03:00 PM |
Funny how two blown non-fumble calls cancel each other out. As good as
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TheOldMole Jan 08 2006 03:19 PM |
How many of Eli's passes have been tipped today?
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metirish Jan 08 2006 03:31 PM |
Terrible performence by the Giants, what happened the defence today?..horrible.
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metirish Jan 08 2006 04:52 PM |
Bad news for the Bengals, Palmer taken out after a big hit on his second snap..
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KC Jan 08 2006 06:33 PM |
Palmer needs surgery, they hope he can make camp in July - Bonnie Hottie
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Johnny Dickshot Jan 08 2006 06:59 PM |
NICE razzle-dazzle by the Steelers.
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cooby Jan 08 2006 07:25 PM |
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Don't you just love her? I do too...
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Edgy DC Jan 08 2006 08:10 PM |
That Giant game was supposedly the last for Bob Sheppard.
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cooby Jan 08 2006 08:47 PM |
The Steelers game was fun to watch. We were eating supper for the first quarter, but once we arrived in the TV room, they put on a show for us.
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KC Jan 08 2006 09:07 PM |
>>>Don't you just love her? I do too...<<<
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Iubitul Jan 08 2006 09:29 PM |
Anyone but the Steelers is what I'm preachin'
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cooby Jan 08 2006 09:34 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 08 2006 09:35 PM |
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I always check to see what scarf she's wearing. When they said it was 62 in Cincinnati today, I was disappointed, but she was still wearing one! :) I'm not a Peyton Manning fan either, but I still laugh everytime I see that ad he's in
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Elster88 Jan 08 2006 09:35 PM |
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I'm down with that.
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Elster88 Jan 08 2006 09:35 PM |
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Nice. Some admin must really not like football, American style.
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KC Jan 08 2006 09:43 PM |
The red bar is me ... I watched all four games this weekend.
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cooby Jan 08 2006 09:44 PM |
So did I...but guess what, I didn't watch a minute of the Rose Bowl
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Frayed Knot Jan 08 2006 11:19 PM |
"Funny how two blown non-fumble calls cancel each other out. As good as the replay rule is most times, there's nothing worse than waiting for a booth review when the football gods can make things work out even in the end most times it seems."
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Elster88 Jan 09 2006 12:06 AM |
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Incorrect conclusion on my part then. Also didn't mean to imply that I don't like the football-style countdown.
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MFS62 Jan 09 2006 07:49 AM |
For the fans who don't root for Big Blew, their loss will result in us now having to suffer through more of "All Tiki, All the Time".
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metirish Jan 09 2006 02:59 PM |
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Elster88 Jan 09 2006 04:42 PM |
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I must be watching all the wrong channels. I haven't seen him interviewed once this year.
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Elster88 Jan 10 2006 11:03 AM |
There are only 3 games left that I care about. With the Giants out of it, I don't give a crap who wins the NFC because that team is going to get obliterated in the Super Bowl.
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cooby Jan 10 2006 11:18 AM |
Yeah, sucks for the Colts
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Willets Point Jan 10 2006 11:21 AM |
Ha ha. Cooby said sucks.
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Elster88 Jan 13 2006 09:02 AM |
Reason #4,589,046 why sportswriters are scum.
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Edgy DC Jan 13 2006 09:13 AM |
The writers don't typically write the headlines. And the editors that do are typically comfortably anonymous.
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Elster88 Jan 13 2006 09:34 AM |
Grrr. I'm trying to take a totally unwarranted shot at writers, can't you tell? Thanks for ruining it for me. j/k
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Willets Point Jan 15 2006 12:23 AM |
Let the unending bitching and whining throughout New England commence at once. We're loserville again!
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cooby Jan 15 2006 09:29 AM |
Why, thank you, Willets!
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metirish Jan 15 2006 04:23 PM |
Now this is a game of football, amazing , Cooby were you celabrtating when Bettis had the ball but then got whacked and then wondering if they had fumbled the game away?, that was a great game, what a miss by the kicker though.
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 15 2006 04:37 PM |
Congrats cooby - what an exciting finish!
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MFS62 Jan 15 2006 04:44 PM |
I wondered if Indy had come back and won they were going to call Bettis' funble the Immaculate Rejection.
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cooby Jan 15 2006 05:22 PM |
Thanks all!
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Frayed Knot Jan 15 2006 05:34 PM |
The biggest play of the day turns out to be Roethlethberger's tackle
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cooby Jan 15 2006 05:53 PM |
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Between that, and Bettis' fumble, I was beginning to think that God doesn't love the Steelers after all. Now I know he does!
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Elster88 Jan 15 2006 09:19 PM |
I'm so glad that Vanderjagt missed that kick. He talks too much.
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Willets Point Jan 16 2006 12:49 AM |
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I was actually refering to one of my best friends who is a Steelers fan, but you're my buddy too.
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Frayed Knot Jan 16 2006 09:26 AM |
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I wonder if he was "all liquored up"?
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Elster88 Jan 16 2006 02:16 PM |
M&MD made the same point I made yesterday. Manning looked terrified of getting hit all day yesterday, right from the first pass play.
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HahnSolo Jan 16 2006 02:23 PM |
What's with FG kickers in the divisional round against Pittsburgh? Last year, Doug Brien missed two game-winners, and now Vanderjerk.
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Elster88 Jan 16 2006 02:25 PM |
For all of Vanderjagt's skill, his streak, and the indoor stadium, a 46-yarder to tie the game is no chip shot. Neither was Brien's second kick last year. Kickers miss big kicks all the time, except Vinatieri. It's not limited to the teams facing Pittsburgh.
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HahnSolo Jan 16 2006 02:53 PM |
I know. I just thought it was interesting that the Steelers have basically survived three late kicks in the same divisional round the last two years.
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Elster88 Jan 16 2006 02:56 PM |
True. It's even weirder because people look at the Steelers as an unlucky franchise because of all the AFC Championship games they lost.
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cooby Jan 16 2006 08:12 PM |
My only regret is that Tony Dungy had to go home to such a sad situation.
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Rockin' Doc Jan 16 2006 08:46 PM |
Congratulations to the Steelers on their win against the Colts. Their were few outside of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area that gave the Steelers much of a chance of winning in Indianapolis. A great win for Pittsburgh, their defense was amazing. Bettis made it exciting in the end.
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PatchyFogg Jan 16 2006 10:03 PM |
So, we had “The Fight Doctor” Ferdie Pacheco on with us the other night on my totally commercial-free, absolutely no one makes a dime from it, Long Island Sports Talk radio show.
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Frayed Knot Jan 16 2006 10:25 PM |
Pacheco's an interesting guy for sure but I didn't believe a word of what he was saying about NFL fixes. Once upon a time maybe when the league was smaller and money was scarce. But the money's too high these days to the point where there's no logical way to make it happen and still be able to turn a betting profit on it which, of course, is the only reason to fix something.
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seawolf17 Jan 17 2006 09:38 AM |
I agree, but boyohboy did that whole INT/not INT thing look shady in the Colts-Steelers game.
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 09:57 AM |
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Few enough rational minds inside the Pittsburgh metropolitan area gave them a chance. No one, myself included, expected Peyton Manning to take a huge dump all over himself in the playoffs again. All due respect to the Pittsburgh defense, they fooled the hell out of Manning with their different looks (More than enough evidence in my mind that no QB should be in charge of play calling. It's not Peyton's fault, each team has twenty different guys with binoculars studying the field. It looked like Pittsburgh had one guy who's only job was to pull the pictures out of the printer as they were developed.) But Manning was playing like a scared rabbit all game.
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cooby Jan 17 2006 09:59 AM |
Gotta admit, going for it on fourth down was the right call though. Even I thought so, and I'm a Steelers fan
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 10:00 AM |
That wasn't Peyton's choice, they called that in from the sideline. Heard Dungy on the radio yesterday.
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cooby Jan 17 2006 10:01 AM |
Aaahhh, a fakeout then. I wondered at the time. Makes for good drama
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 10:02 AM |
I was surprised to hear it too. Manning is often seen waving the punter off the field and I just always figured he was doing it in an attempt to be a stud.
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Johnny Dickshot Jan 17 2006 10:04 AM |
IMO, going for it on 4th down is almost always the right play, it's just that NFL coaches are too wussy to try it. At least, if you're at your own, say, 40 or closer.
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cooby Jan 17 2006 10:06 AM |
Well that's just it, it's not like the Colts offense is pathetic. In a playoff game, you've gotta go for it, especially when you've got time left.
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 10:06 AM |
I have to disagree (in general, not with this particular play). Field positioning can be a huge part of the game. Stick the other team on the five yard line.
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Johnny Dickshot Jan 17 2006 10:24 AM |
BORRRR-ING!
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Nymr83 Jan 17 2006 11:37 AM |
i think when you're losing by more than 8 in the 4th quarter you'd be crazy NOT to go for 4th and short anywhere on the field and 4th and anything past the 40 or so.
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cooby Jan 17 2006 11:43 AM |
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I forgot about that...it was weird that there was no penalty for either side on that.
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 11:52 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jan 17 2006 11:55 AM |
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*sigh* Who shot Kennedy? My favorite idiot conspiracy theory is that the driver turned around and shot Kennedy in the face. _________________ Anyway. I think the Polamalu play is very interesting. The interception being overturned was actually the correct call as stated in the rule book. His knee was still down when he lost the ball so it was an incomplete pass. Even though it looked like an interception, and by common sense should have been an interception, the officials have to go by the book. I know the NFL has issued a statement saying the call was wrong. Smells of damage control to me, as they're just trying to end the discussion now that the outcome wasn't affected. I imagine the rule on the books will be changed in the offseason. I reiterate: If the Colts had won there is not one chance in a million that the NFL would have issued that statement that the call was wrong. They would've defended the refs to the death with the (correct) reasoning above. But instead, the NFL front office is throwing the refs to the wolves instead of admitting that they have a faulty rule on the books. ______________________________ This post had the designation 82) Terry Leach
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 11:52 AM |
This is another reason to thank the almighty football gods that Pittsburgh won, becuase otherwise for the rest of eternity thousands of bandwagon-jumpers would be crying about this. (Think the way Oakland fans cry about the Tuck Rule----another rule interpereted correctly according to the rule book at the time----times 1,000 to account for the "die-hard" Steeler "fans" across the country.*)
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cooby Jan 17 2006 12:00 PM |
No offense taken :)
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 12:07 PM |
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MFS62 Jan 17 2006 12:11 PM |
Last Saturday night, wifey, daughter and I were in a Mexican restaurant in Brookfield, CT and the family at the table next to us was all wearing Steelers' jerseys.
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cooby Jan 17 2006 12:14 PM |
Now, THAT might be bandwaggoning.
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Frayed Knot Jan 17 2006 01:07 PM |
"I know the NFL has issued a statement saying the call was wrong. Smells of damage control to me, as they're just trying to end the discussion now that the outcome wasn't affected."
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Willets Point Jan 17 2006 01:26 PM |
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My favorite is the "Aristotle Onassis killed Kennedy to get Jackie" theory.
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Centerfield Jan 17 2006 04:53 PM |
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2005/01/17/bc.fbn.heart.stoppingst.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
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Elster88 Jan 17 2006 04:58 PM |
So at what point should you let someone know they take sports too seriously?
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cooby Jan 17 2006 05:00 PM |
I think we can safely say that he's not a bandwagoner...
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HahnSolo Jan 18 2006 12:34 PM |
"The Steelers won the game and I'm still alive, so I guess I'm doing pretty good."
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Elster88 Jan 19 2006 11:36 PM |
Mike Vanderjagt is on Letterman tonight.
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cooby Jan 20 2006 10:57 AM |
What did he have to say?
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Elster88 Jan 20 2006 11:02 AM |
Not much. They talked over the game a little bit. They reenacted the 46 yarder on 53rd(?) street. Letterman took the snap from the long snapper. Pretty mundane.
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cooby Jan 22 2006 01:38 PM |
Today's halftime menu:
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KC Jan 22 2006 01:41 PM |
Perogies ... mmmmmm
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metirish Jan 22 2006 04:28 PM |
Cooby it's halftime, I bet you'll enjoy them even more with this score, Steelers are killing Denver...
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KC Jan 22 2006 04:36 PM |
Steelers up by three touchdowns at the half on the road are looking like
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Iubitul Jan 22 2006 05:28 PM |
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not at all - he's a freaking Steeler. Steelers are one figure to the right of Yankees on the evolutionary scale.
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KC Jan 22 2006 05:47 PM |
>>>Steelers are one figure to the right of Yankees on the evolutionary scale<<<
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cooby Jan 22 2006 06:17 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 22 2006 08:36 PM |
lubitol's the guy who likes girls basketball, right? heheh
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cooby Jan 22 2006 06:20 PM |
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Cool indeed, KC! I wish he were a Met...
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Iubitul Jan 22 2006 06:46 PM |
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You forgot about the Roger Staubach factor, which pulls the rest of the dreck up...
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ScarletKnight41 Jan 22 2006 07:13 PM |
Carolina is looking pretty bad in the first quarter in Seattle.
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Rockin' Doc Jan 22 2006 08:35 PM |
They didn't look much better in the second quarter, either.
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metirish Jan 22 2006 08:38 PM |
Cooby if the Steelers win the Super Bowl you might have to put those velvet pants for sale on EBAY, them being the lucky ones and all...
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cooby Jan 22 2006 08:39 PM |
lol...that's a good idea!
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Rockin' Doc Jan 22 2006 08:47 PM |
I'm sure they wouldn't fit me.
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TheOldMole Jan 22 2006 09:48 PM |
What kind of a name is Randle El?
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MFS62 Jan 23 2006 08:31 AM |
Its the answer to the question by an ex-Met infielder named Lenny, who asked "What subway line do I take to Yankee Stadium?"
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metirish Jan 23 2006 09:15 AM |
Kobe scored 81 points for Lakers yesterday....and very few people care.
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Elster88 Jan 23 2006 09:29 AM |
Especially in the NFL thread. [/threadcop]
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Frayed Knot Jan 23 2006 09:50 AM |
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Actually, ESPN led off it's morning 'SportsCenter' with Kobe, pushing those two football game things back 5 minutes or so. Of course if I were a cynic I might think that had something to do with ESPN having rights to NBA hoops and their desire to hype Kobe as the star of their programming for the next 4 months ... but far be it from me to accuse the ESPN/ABC/Disney crowd of slipping into crass self-promotion.
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MFS62 Jan 23 2006 11:05 AM |
Weird stuff I was thinking about driving to work today:
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sharpie Jan 23 2006 11:47 AM |
MFS, earlier you wrote that you went for teams nearer to NY. This makes the Steelers the don't-think-about-it favorite.
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MFS62 Jan 23 2006 11:56 AM |
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I believe that was in a college sports thread (basketball or football). But it makes sense here, too. Thanks. Good memory. Later
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cooby Jan 23 2006 12:53 PM |
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Yeah, but when Cowher is mad, he sticks that ol' jaw out there and it is very funny. But you're right, he really seems to enjoy his job and his players
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Elster88 Jan 23 2006 12:56 PM |
The AFC 6 seed beating the NFC 1 seed in the Super Bowl would probably drive home the disparity between the two conferences.
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Willets Point Jan 23 2006 01:04 PM |
Wasn't it just a few years ago when people were saying that the NFC championship game decided the Super Bowl winner? I guess the change came with the Broncos back in '98.
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cooby Jan 23 2006 01:07 PM |
The other day when I was dusting, I came across a little book of pictures that my son took at Heinz Field a couple of years ago when he and his dad went out to a game for his birthday present.
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Elster88 Jan 23 2006 01:57 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 23 2006 02:21 PM |
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I think the NFC had won 14 in a row prior to that game. (Raiders in '84?) Edit: grammar
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Centerfield Jan 23 2006 02:15 PM |
I think Mike Shanahan kinda looks like a smart version of George Bush.
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Frayed Knot Jan 23 2006 02:24 PM |
Yeah and the AL has won 6 of the last 8 WS too (4 times by sweeps) but I don't think that alone makes them the better league.
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Elster88 Jan 23 2006 02:27 PM |
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I wasn't making the analogous conclusion about the NFL conferences either. My conclusion is: The AFC is better in 2005-2006 because the six teams that made the playoffs are all better than any team in the NFC.
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cooby Jan 28 2006 09:13 AM |
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cooby Feb 02 2006 09:51 PM |
And the final week winds down in Pennsylvania with daily reports on Jerome Bettis and his parents' activities in Detroit.
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Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:16 PM |
Bettis is a fat pig.
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cooby Feb 02 2006 11:19 PM |
Mr. Perfect was very large, too. Ahem.
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Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:24 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 02 2006 11:35 PM |
Perfect is all muscle, baby. You know why? Because he's perfect.
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cooby Feb 02 2006 11:31 PM |
That's MISTER Perfect, punk
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Frayed Knot Feb 02 2006 11:32 PM |
I'm sorry but I don't even see how football fans can listen to all the nonsense surrounding this game. There's just simply not that much to talk about but no one it seems can resist trying. I mean these shows have a parade of guests on to "breakdown" a game that hasn't happened yet and there's only so many ways you can ask different people the same things:
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Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:33 PM |
I don't imagine I'll ever read another football article in the two weeks prior to the Super Bowl unless the Jets are in it. Then I'll be reading everything and cursing the name of anyone with the audacity to talk trash to the Jets.
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Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:34 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 02 2006 11:35 PM |
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Yes!! cooby's posting-approval rating: 100%.
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cooby Feb 02 2006 11:35 PM |
It's good natured as it gets this year. But my lucky pants are ready for the action
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Elster88 Feb 02 2006 11:37 PM |
It's all good, my post calling Bettis fat was merely a completely unjustified swipe at all of the hype around Bettis. But it is a better story than you usually get in the sporting world.
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cooby Feb 02 2006 11:39 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Feb 02 2006 11:39 PM |
No hard feelings, if you lived in PA, you would adore him too. We all do. There is nothing but Jerome in our paper, and we live 125 miles from Pittsburgh
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Frayed Knot Feb 02 2006 11:39 PM |
Oh, and I heard somewhere that Jerome Bettis is from Detroit and he likes to bring his parents to his games.
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cooby Feb 02 2006 11:41 PM |
lol, yeah, I think I"ve heard that
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MFS62 Feb 03 2006 09:27 AM |
I wonder if Aretha Franklin will have a clothing malfunction.
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cooby Feb 06 2006 08:30 PM |
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ScarletKnight41 Feb 06 2006 08:32 PM |
Congrats cooby!
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cooby Feb 06 2006 08:39 PM |
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GYC Feb 06 2006 08:41 PM |
Any word on the size of the check that went to Leavy?
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cooby Feb 06 2006 08:43 PM |
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cooby Feb 06 2006 08:44 PM |
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Hmmm a Seahawks fan
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ScarletKnight41 Feb 06 2006 08:52 PM |
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LOL - I'd have some 'splaining to do if I'm holding that when my in-laws fly in from Washington later this week. Oh what the heck - send it over! ;)
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cooby Feb 06 2006 08:55 PM |
Oops, forgot about them heheh
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GYC Feb 06 2006 08:57 PM |
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Nah, just playing with you. As much as the refs called a one-sided game, the Hawks killed themselves and would have lost regardless.
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cooby Feb 06 2006 09:12 PM |
You know, for the life of me I do not remember that play and I only remember leaving the room once, to go clean my glasses.
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metirish Feb 06 2006 09:20 PM |
Cooby do you know anything about this item I found on EBAY? :)
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cooby Feb 06 2006 09:21 PM |
Those pants looks like they'd fit Jerome...
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TheOldMole Feb 06 2006 09:24 PM |
Did this Super Bowl set the all-time record for most letters in the names of the two starting quarterbacks?
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GYC Feb 06 2006 09:24 PM |
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Which play?
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cooby Feb 06 2006 09:26 PM |
Some Seahawk touchdown that got called back And then they got a field goal. Missed it all.
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metirish Feb 06 2006 10:12 PM |
Great pic here....Willie Parker makes his great run
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Frayed Knot Feb 06 2006 10:17 PM |
Mediocre game at best.
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cooby Feb 06 2006 10:51 PM |
Whatever, dude
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 09:54 AM |
It's a good thing for the Steelers that the Bus is retiring.
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Johnny Dickshot Feb 07 2006 10:12 AM |
I told you guys it was all about the razzle-dazzle.
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Edgy DC Feb 07 2006 11:01 AM |
As risky as such plays are, in a league where many coaches have more job security than their players, why not try high-risk-high-reward plays?
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metirish Feb 07 2006 11:44 AM |
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 12:38 PM |
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Because very few of them have a wide receiver or running back who can throw even half as well as Randle-El.
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Edgy DC Feb 07 2006 12:40 PM |
Well, other types of risky plays then. Dickshot is right.
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seawolf17 Feb 07 2006 12:43 PM |
Maybe it's just the old-skool-Madden-99 player in me, but I love going for it on fourth and short, fake punts, flea-flickers... keeps the other team on their toes.
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HahnSolo Feb 07 2006 01:05 PM |
Tom Landry ran trick plays all the time. It worked out pretty well for him.
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seawolf17 Feb 07 2006 01:10 PM |
Nuts. Hahn discovered my real identity.
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 01:44 PM |
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I think history has shown that going for it on fourth and short as opposed to punting it does not work out. And a defensive struggle in football is just as interesting as a high scoring game. I equate being able to appreciate a field position game in football with appreciating a pitcher's duel. The reason that field position battles SEEM so boring is because every punt is used as an excuse for a ten minute TV-timeout. Remove that and the game has the same flow whether there are 20 punts or 2 punts in the game. As for Madden, it's much more fun to go for it on fourth down because playing defense sucks on Madden. Even when you don't make it, that means your opponent is going to score quicker and you'll get the ball back faster.
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Johnny Dickshot Feb 07 2006 01:50 PM |
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Really? I'd guess NFL coaches are such wusses that there's not nearly enough data to confirm it one way or the other.
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 02:19 PM |
I have only anecdotal evidence to supply. I'd be interested in a full study.
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Nymr83 Feb 07 2006 02:31 PM |
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agreed that the TV-timeouts are what ruin punting-centric games. As for madden, your % chance of getting the first on 4th and under 2 seems to be about 80%, if it was that high in real life they'd go for it too. also, try changing the camera angle so that you can see everything past the line of scrimmage and then take control of the MLB or FS in a zone... trying to pick passes off is alot more fun than playing the boring D-line.
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metirish Feb 07 2006 02:47 PM |
What made the gadget play great apart from the throw and all that was that we knew it was coming at some point, Madden told us so, and if he knew and we knew it had to be frustrating for Seattle who probably knew too but couldn't stop it.
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 02:54 PM |
To be fair to the Seahawks, it was going to be hard to stop that play. IIRC, they ran the reverse and it got stuffed by the corner. So he came flying up again when he saw the reverse, but instead the pass was thrown. And obviously, the safety was beaten, but enough so that it took an almost perfect ball to make the play. I've seen plenty of quarterbacks who haven't made as good a throw: on the run, hitting Ward in stride over the sideline shoulder.
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Frayed Knot Feb 07 2006 03:28 PM |
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There was a piece a month or two back in that NYTimes "Keeping Score" column, their stats-oriented column that appears each Sunday in the sports section. Their claim was that the number crunching indicates NFL coaches are far too conservative in 4th-&-short situations and would benefit in the long run by "going for it" more often ... though obviously not every time. Personally I've always had a big problem with the ultra-conservative mindset that seems to inhabit most NFL coaches. It's not just that gadget plays are 'fun to watch', or even a case of low vs high scoring, it's just that it represents the "play not to lose" attitude that I find boring in just about any sport and much of it, I fear, stems from not wanting to be second-guessed if/when these slightly exotic plays fail. Coaches kept the 2-pt conversion out of the NFL for decades for that very reason. Seattle running ridiculously conservative plays (and taking their sweet-ass time doing so) while down in a final game with time running out in both halves is just the primo example of it all.
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 03:40 PM |
I think the last was due to stupidity more than to a deliberate adherence to a conservative mindset.
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Frayed Knot Feb 07 2006 04:32 PM |
Agreed, but they were also throwing 5-yd outs (and often failing to get out-of-bounds but that's a seperate problem) during the last drive as if ball control were the way to go there rather than risk something out of the ordinary even as they were down at least 2 scores in the closing minutes of the championship game.
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Elster88 Feb 07 2006 05:33 PM |
I guess, but I thought the 5 yard outs were the safety valve in case the play broke down. That's why I blame those on the QB. If nothing's open, don't throw it to the last option at the end of the game; throw it into the stands.
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Rockin' Doc Feb 07 2006 11:51 PM |
I believe it was reported during the game that Shaun Alexander had been 16 of 16 on third and one or fourth and one conversions on the season. Yet, when Seattle had an opportunity to go for such a play, Holmgren opted to punt it away to the Steelers. I know the Steelers have a tremendous defense, but you have to be willing to take some chances. With the Seahawks history in such situations, it actually doesn't seem like it would have been too big of a gamble.
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Elster88 Feb 08 2006 07:51 AM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Feb 08 2006 03:42 PM |
I don't see how making them full-time refs helps. When no games are going on, how are they supposed to get better?
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Edgy DC Feb 08 2006 07:57 AM |
Holmgren is coming off rather pissy still contesting the officiating. What particular calls are still being contested? The pushoff in the endzone was the right call from my eyes. They were also given an over-rule on a dubious call on the fumble from the ground.
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cooby Feb 08 2006 08:12 AM |
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He is, isn't he? I'd be embarrassed to be a Seattle fan.
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Elster88 Feb 08 2006 08:37 AM |
This was the first Super Bowl that I actually believe that if two of four calls go the other way the losing team wins. One of those four (the holding penalty on Locklear) was definitely a mistake. The others were at least fifty-fifty.
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MFS62 Feb 08 2006 12:54 PM |
During the victory parade in Pittsburgh yesterday, three penalties were called on Seattle.
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HahnSolo Feb 08 2006 01:09 PM |
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Not sure you can make that leap. The Jackson PI call, which as Edgy points out was correct, only cost them four points, as they kicked a FG anyway. The Big Ben TD was impossible to overturn anyway you look at it. And they still would have had a fourth down to try to punch it in. The Locklear call was bad, however it would have set them up first and goal. There's no guarantee of a touchdown there, though, and even if they did get a TD, they would only have had a 17-14 lead with a lot of time left.
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Nymr83 Feb 08 2006 01:44 PM |
the penalty on Hasselbeck was clearly the biggest mistake, you are ALLOWED to hit the ball carrier low, just not the blocker. he didnt touch the blocker and got flagged for doing so.
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Frayed Knot Feb 08 2006 03:04 PM |
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I also think giving the refs their own float in the parade was a bit too much. Count me in the camp where the full-time refs idea is all wet. There are those who'll claim that the reason the NFL doesn't want full-timers is that the refs will go all union on them and they'll have to pay them more than they are now. But just what are these guys going to do for the other 6 days in the week and the other 7 months of the year? It's not like watching film ad infinitum is going to change things. Besides, the sometimes goofy NFL rules are as big a culprit here as is bad judgement. The "tuck rule" call, the Palomalomalomalo non-interception call, the "football move" calls, these "break the plane" or "hit the pylon" calls, and so on are all examples of where the refs are interpreting correctly (at least potentially) the rules as they're written. That the public doesn't like the results of these calls is only sometimes the fault of the zebras. And don't get me started on the effects or the replay ...
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Edgy DC Feb 08 2006 03:06 PM |
If the Stones had asked me, I'd have advised them to reference the 1981 tour, and put Mick back in the Wilbert Montgomery getup he appeared in the concert film (Let's Spend the Night Together) in for the portions of the film shot at the Vet. The other thing from that tour/film they could have reprised was Keith Richards tomahawking the trespassing fan. That's always good for entertainment.
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metirish Feb 14 2006 12:59 PM |
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45304
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cooby Mar 02 2006 01:51 PM |
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I blame Scarlett's inlaws:
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ScarletKnight41 Mar 02 2006 03:16 PM |
Like my in-laws would pay for a long distance call <rolling my eyes>
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