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Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 02:11 PM

The 2014 accounts and travails of Matt Harvey being the most publicized Met outside of the sports pages, while not actively being a Met. Like today, when Matt created a dustup tweeting a photo of him flipping the bird on Twitter, and deleted his Twitter account shortly after, and Generation Tweet (and barely legit sports sites like SBNation and bleacherreport) just can't shut up about it. Maybe his goal in life is to drive Jay Horwitz over the edge. [fimg=500]http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/assets/4340595/Harvey_middle_finger_medium.png[/fimg]

Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2014 02:12 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I think I found a clue! Now, what would Blue want to do with a hospital gown? I'd better get my handy dandy notebook…

Ceetar Apr 22 2014 02:16 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I'm not sure why SBNation is 'barely legit' There is no story. Mets fans (really, fans in general, and people) are bad nasty people online and say mean things and overreact.

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 02:31 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure why SBNation is 'barely legit'. Because wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability.

Ceetar Apr 22 2014 02:36 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure why SBNation is 'barely legit'. Because wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability. For that matter, bleacher report comprises a lot of different people too. Silly to paint broad strokes. I'm not sure what your sentence full of buzzwords even means. Amazin' Avenue is one of the better places to get Mets news/talk/analysis that's out there.

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 02:47 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

How dis-spiriting to enter into this conversation at 4:44 Ceetar wrote: For that matter, bleacher report comprises a lot of different people too. I spoke about the standards of the source. Not the people. Ceetar wrote: Silly to paint broad strokes. I mentioned two specific sources. That isn't broad. Ceetar wrote: I'm not sure what your sentence full of buzzwords even means. I wrote pretty plainly. Which words (not buzzwords, but real words with actual concrete meanings) would you like me to elaborate on? Ceetar wrote: Amazin' Avenue is one of the better places to get Mets news/talk/analysis that's out there. Again, I spoke about the standards of the these sources, not about any and all who use them as a platform. I have no doubt they have many good people doing their best trying to provide interesting and unique content, and not a few succeeding (OE: if not necessarily getting paid for further enriching Ted Turner).

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 22 2014 02:53 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Foolish of the Mets to pick a fight with such an arrogant dumb employee.

Ceetar Apr 22 2014 03:01 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

your "two specific sources" encompass hundreds if not thousands of writers and dozens of sites. Their standards seem to be higher than say the New York Post or the Bergen Record from where I sit. wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability. I don't know what wildcat journalism is and I have no idea what you mean by diminishing fact-finding capacity. accountability? why? Because they can't be fired? Well, maybe not in the traditional sense, but a lot of those sites on SB Nation have a bunch of writers and those writers can absolutely be 'let go' if they're not up to snuff. And it's all a subsidiary of Vox Media. Whatever "Can't shut up about it" means, these people aren't the ones going up to Matt Harvey and asking him the specifics of a photo his mom took of him recovering from surgery.

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 03:11 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Ceetar wrote: your "two specific sources" encompass hundreds if not thousands of writers and dozens of sites. How many times do we need to return to discussing the fallacy of the part and the whole? Ceetar wrote: Their standards seem to be higher than say the New York Post or the Bergen Record from where I sit. That's just fine. Ceetar wrote: wildcat journalism sources have diminishing fact-finding capacity and accountability. I don't know what wildcat journalism is and I have no idea what you mean by diminishing fact-finding capacity. A wildcat enterprise is generally one lacking in authority or regulation of its industry's generally established standards. I have difficulty believing you have no idea what a diminishing fact-finding capacity might mean. But I mean that to suggest that, not having many reporters with credentials and budgets and time to devote professionally to pursuing their stories, they don't really report, but re-report the findings of more established journals. (Or each other.) Ceetar wrote: accountability? why? Because they can't be fired? Well, maybe not in the traditional sense, but a lot of those sites on SB Nation have a bunch of writers and those writers can absolutely be 'let go' if they're not up to snuff. And it's all a subsidiary of Vox Media. Because the operators demonstrably don't really care about maintaining journalistic standards. That doesn't mean that some writers haven't absolutely hit homeruns. Ceetar wrote: Whatever "Can't shut up about it" means, these people aren't the ones going up to Matt Harvey and asking him the specifics of a photo his mom took of him recovering from surgery. It means there are a lot of redundant stories to sort through, each amounting to little more than the previous one. I'm sorry if my opinion hit personally in some way. I just meant to suggest that there was a proliferation of journalism platforms to sort through (and yes, with diminishing returns) that respond to this sort of thing and disproportionately blow it up while offering little new, helpful, or meaningful. There are. For the record, I've enjoyed a lot of work published at SBNation, and even a little from Gawker sources.

Ashie62 Apr 22 2014 04:25 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Why does Harvey have to flip the bird when he knows he is being photographed? I'm not sure if he is a jackass or an attention whore... or both...

dgwphotography Apr 22 2014 04:32 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I'm just tired of his act. He had a great half-season, and baseball history is littered with hundreds of players who can claim the same. Until he can show that he can sustain that greatness over an extended period of time, he should just STFU and show a little more humility and class.

metirish Apr 22 2014 05:20 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Agree with both posts above me.....he's a dick but he's our dick doesn't even cut it anymore .....won't see Parnell doing that carryon abroad in Duffy's Bar ....

d'Kong76 Apr 22 2014 05:22 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Twitter is an evil drug for those in the limelight, sort of in the limelight, those in good limelight that don't want to be in bad limelight ... he needs to learn. At least he didn't caption it, "guess where this just was!"

seawolf17 Apr 22 2014 05:26 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I've said it a million times -- I don't know why anyone wants to play in this city. Our fans are bunch of assholes.

metirish Apr 22 2014 05:34 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

seawolf17 wrote: I've said it a million times -- I don't know why anyone wants to play in this city. Our fans are bunch of assholes. I think Matt just wants to be seen in the City ......there was though a whole lot of faux outrage on Twitter.....which is what that place does best I think.

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 05:37 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I couldn't click on too much or I would have died, so I don't know how much outrage, faux or otherwise there is. I'll take your word for it. Whatever your reaction to the photo, would it somehow be applauded if he played for San Diego or Texas? Is this really that much a reflection on New Yorkers? Are the outraged all alleged Mets fans?

d'Kong76 Apr 22 2014 05:42 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

seawolf17 wrote: I've said it a million times -- I don't know why anyone wants to play in this city. Our fans are bunch of assholes. Mets' fans and Yankees' fans or just in general? It's a changed world, one has to be responsible for what gets posted on the internet. I can't believe I'm saying this, but Matt idolizes Jeter so much? That's why Jeets makes everyone turn off their phone/device when at his place. Follow suit, big guy.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 22 2014 07:03 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD wrote: I couldn't click on too much or I would have died, so I don't know how much outrage, faux or otherwise there is. I'll take your word for it. Whatever your reaction to the photo, would it somehow be applauded if he played for San Diego or Texas? Is this really that much a reflection on New Yorkers? Are the outraged all alleged Mets fans? The reaction among most fans seems to be that this lame joke by Harvey isn't illustrative of idiocy but "personality." They are also convinced that having been asked to take it down is proof that he'll sign with the Yankees (who really indulge this stuff). I'm not sure whom Seawolf is referring to by the "assholes" remark. My read is a strong majority are very indulgent of his dumb-jockiness. It's an issue of course because a) the Mets were dumb enough to ask him to take it down; b) he did so only with a lame take-my-ball-and-go-home act and then an arrogant sorry-not-sorry explanation. It was a dumb fight to pick.

metsmarathon Apr 22 2014 07:18 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

he's a dumb kid who posted a dumb photo. if he'd tweeted "6 months since TJS. Fuck You, surgery!" would anybody even bat an eye or clutch their pearls? all the time, in interviews, and on the field, and in public, athletes utter obscenities. are they all classless attention whores? its nonsense. stupid fucking nonsense. not the picture - the offense-taking. its all stupid nonsense. yeah, i get it - he's a public representative of his employer. what-fucking-ever. he's still not the official voice of the mets. (and if he was, he might do a better job than jay horowitz.) he's a dude with a twitter account who uttered a visual obscenity. move along. what it directed at anybody? was it meant to detract from anybody or degrade anybody? did it represent deviant or dangerous or destructive or illegal behaviour? no, of course not. it's a big fat pile of nothing.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 22 2014 07:22 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

it's a big fat pile of nothing. Agreed. So why react by nuking your entire account and defiantly saying there was nothing to apologize for. As far as we know nobody asked him to apologize. He's a drama queen with no concept of knowing how to act appropriately.

d'Kong76 Apr 22 2014 07:24 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I probably wouldn't have even know about this except for this thread until maybe a day or two from now. He should sell the picture for an album cover.

seawolf17 Apr 22 2014 07:27 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: it's a big fat pile of nothing. Agreed. So why react by nuking your entire account and defiantly saying there was nothing to apologize for. As far as we know nobody asked him to apologize. He's a drama queen with no concept of knowing how to act appropriately. He's a fucking 25-year-old kid who we've spent the last four years fellating as the future of the franchise. Now, because he does one douchey thing, he's a drama queen and we overcriticize this whole thing. Fuckin' hell. metsmarathon wrote: he's a dumb kid who posted a dumb photo. if he'd tweeted "6 months since TJS. Fuck You, surgery!" would anybody even bat an eye or clutch their pearls? all the time, in interviews, and on the field, and in public, athletes utter obscenities. are they all classless attention whores? its nonsense. stupid fucking nonsense. not the picture - the offense-taking. its all stupid nonsense. yeah, i get it - he's a public representative of his employer. what-fucking-ever. he's still not the official voice of the mets. (and if he was, he might do a better job than jay horowitz.) he's a dude with a twitter account who uttered a visual obscenity. move along. what it directed at anybody? was it meant to detract from anybody or degrade anybody? did it represent deviant or dangerous or destructive or illegal behaviour? no, of course not. it's a big fat pile of nothing. This. Everyone leave him the fuck alone, let him recover, and fucking applaud and yell your fucking faces off when we see him on Opening Day 2015. Frig.

metsmarathon Apr 22 2014 07:29 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

he's fed up with the needless and pointless criticism. i see it as a "more trouble than its worth, fuck this shit" reaction/overreaction. if he's fed up with twitter, and "done" with it, why not delete it?

metirish Apr 22 2014 07:31 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I don't disagree with that Wolf, Matt should likely heed that advice too though....

themetfairy Apr 22 2014 07:32 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

metsmarathon wrote: he's a dumb kid who posted a dumb photo. if he'd tweeted "6 months since TJS. Fuck You, surgery!" would anybody even bat an eye or clutch their pearls? all the time, in interviews, and on the field, and in public, athletes utter obscenities. are they all classless attention whores? its nonsense. stupid fucking nonsense. not the picture - the offense-taking. its all stupid nonsense. yeah, i get it - he's a public representative of his employer. what-fucking-ever. he's still not the official voice of the mets. (and if he was, he might do a better job than jay horowitz.) he's a dude with a twitter account who uttered a visual obscenity. move along. what it directed at anybody? was it meant to detract from anybody or degrade anybody? did it represent deviant or dangerous or destructive or illegal behaviour? no, of course not. it's a big fat pile of nothing. This. Well stated mm.

d'Kong76 Apr 22 2014 07:33 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Oh please, guys ... the guy has been a media and attention whore since he had some success. This is different, and not.

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 07:43 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Speaking for myself, I haven't fellated anybody. Why? What are they saying?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 22 2014 07:44 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

metsmarathon wrote: he's fed up with the needless and pointless criticism. i see it as a "more trouble than its worth, fuck this shit" reaction/overreaction. if he's fed up with twitter, and "done" with it, why not delete it? As far as I can tell the only people criticizing the act are those who (rightly) pointed out it was vain and dumb, but you guys can't be confusing me for someone who's offended by simulated salty language. That's not it at all. Maybe I missed the part where the outraged citizenry bullied Matt Harvey into deleting his account.

Edgy MD Apr 22 2014 07:52 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Hard to believe most PR guys wouldn't ask you to take that photo down. Right or wrong, clearly, responding by shutting down his shop was about playing the part of a victim. Guess he's just never not competing. Even if it's a battle of PR pride with an old man.

metirish Apr 22 2014 07:57 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Odds that he is back on Twitter by the weekend?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 22 2014 07:58 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

@HattMarvey? He's a dumb, slightly-petulant jock without too much self-awareness. That this has become a kerfuffle-- or even a discussion beyond "That happened? Huh."-- is far dumber than posting that "obscene" Instagram image was.

Ashie62 Apr 22 2014 07:58 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Like Gamblers they always come back...

Mets – Willets Point Apr 22 2014 08:29 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I think I found a clue! Now, what would Blue want to do with a hospital gown? I'd better get my handy dandy notebook… This is golden, and should not have been overlooked by other posters in this thread.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 22 2014 08:39 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Thanks! (I assume not everyone got the reference.)

themetfairy Apr 22 2014 08:40 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Blue's Clues? My kids were never quite the right age for that - it wasn't one of our staples.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 22 2014 08:44 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Thanks! (I assume not everyone got the reference.) Yeah, that was good.

metirish Apr 22 2014 08:58 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Blue's Clues with Steve obviously , not the other impostor

Centerfield Apr 22 2014 09:15 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Blue is getting Tommy John surgery? Worst news ever.

vtmet Apr 22 2014 10:36 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Mets fans, media and the Front Office are going to "shocked" when Harvey bolts at the first opportunity in Free Agency...Every thing this guy has done since getting surgery (that he didn't want to do to begin with) has been condemned by somebody...Just let the kid be, he's not even old enough to rent a car yet and everyone is acting like he's doing something wrong for enjoying life a little...

vtmet Apr 22 2014 10:38 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Centerfield wrote: Blue is getting Tommy John surgery? Worst news ever. hopefully they keep Mr Salt out of the O.R. until he's sown back up...

vtmet Apr 22 2014 10:40 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

metirish wrote: Blue's Clues with Steve obviously , not the other impostor isn't that kind of like Pee Wee's Playhouse without Pee Wee Herman?

Edgy MD Apr 23 2014 05:17 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

vtmet wrote: Mets fans, media and the Front Office are going to "shocked" when Harvey bolts at the first opportunity in Free Agency...Every thing this guy has done since getting surgery (that he didn't want to do to begin with) has been condemned by somebody...Just let the kid be, he's not even old enough to rent a car yet and everyone is acting like he's doing something wrong for enjoying life a little... Harvey is 25. Last I checked, you can rent a car on your left and another one on your right. In New York, you can rent as young as 21, with an added fee. I refuse to believe he had un-necessary surgery because the Mets coerced him. Everyone is not acting like anything. I'm not sure where this magic place is where you get to do stupid stuff and everybody ignores it but gives you all the shiny publicity that you want when you are seeking it. If he's expecting to go to there, he can tell me how it is. I don't care about his finger, but anybody anywhere would expect their team to ask them to remove it. "Ha, ha, oops, I guess so," is a perfectly sound response. Blowing up your account --- the choice of stupid athletes doing stupid stuff since the dawn of Twitter --- just seems so petulant.

Centerfield Apr 23 2014 07:41 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I found myself waffling back and forth in this debate, then I realized why. Everyone sucks. Everyone involved here shares some of the blame. Matt Harvey Sucks Sure. He's a 25 year old kid and some of these guys do stupid things. But not every 25 year old does it, and it doesn't excuse Harvey just because he's young. David Wright doesn't conduct himself this way. Even as goofy as Reyes was, he didn't do it either. Neither have Wheeler, Niese, Gee, Duda, or well, everyone else. He can certainly handle himself better. Come on, you put a picture of yourself on Twitter flipping everyone the bird. How would you expect your employer to react? Edgy is right, blowing up the Twitter account is a tantrum (even if it's one that might be beneficial later on). He will be back on before the end of the year "because so many of my fans told me how much they missed me on Twitter." The Mets Suck But we knew this. Twitter has been around for a long time. I would like to see an organization that has a policy and enforces it beforehand rather than being reactionary. An organization can approach Twitter a few ways: 1. ban Twitter for your players 2. ask that all players screen tweets with PR before posting 3. Set a very clear set of rules as to what can and cannot be posted, with a right to ban twitter for those who violate 4. Do nothing. Hope that young, self-important athletes who are used to locker room talk will not post anything dumb. React after something happens. So far, the Mets have subscribed to #4. I'd like to see them try #3. It's astonishing how incompetent the Mets come out looking time and time again. Native American appreciation day. The Harvey-Martino incident. Jeremy Hefner's Chick-Fil-A tweet. The anonymous digs on players. It's pretty clear to me that Jay Horowitz is out of touch and needs to be replaced. A new PR approach could do wonders for improving the organization's image. And a young athlete coming across as douchy is one thing. It's inexcusable for an organization to come across as this idiotic. The Fans Suck Us included. For making this a big deal. For boo-ing Granderson this badly 3 weeks into a season. My god. Keep the boos on the shelf until May. Is that too hard? If some other team offered the same terms as the Mets, I can't imagine why on earth a free agent would want to sign here.

metsmarathon Apr 23 2014 08:18 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Centerfield wrote: ...I can't imagine why on earth a free agent would want to sign here. they all come here to wear the same uniform and share the same field as mr. met. can there be any higher honor?

Vic Sage Apr 23 2014 08:31 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

All this, CF, and a bag of chips. But i am kind of sick of people calling a 25-year old man a "kid". It's not true, and all it does is deflect his own culpability. In fact he's not a "kid"; he's a jock who has apparently lived in a bubble of entitlement since he became a BMOC for giving swirlies to his middle school nerd classmates and then went out and won the "big game". We all know the type. We all went to school with guys like him; for all i know, some of us HERE were guys like him. Not all the rules of civilization apply to this kind of guy; when they suddenly do, he takes umbrage and acts, as Edgy quite rightly characterized it, petulantly. But here's the thing... I DON'T CARE. He can be fucking supermodels in pairs, flipping off fans, tweeting pictures of his dick, and living the high life all he wants, as long as he takes the ball every 5th day, puts up big numbers, and beats the Braves like a fucking gong. I don't have to like him. I just want him to be great and to help my team win. Is it nicer to root for a guy like David "Captain America" Wright? Yes, it's nicer. But it ain't a necessary condition of my support. Will all the gnashing of teeth over this drive him away in free agency? who can say? But I'd guess that the Wilpons economic circumstances at that time will have a hell of a lot more to do with it than whining fans. On a side note, i completely agree with Edgy's view of internet "journalism" which in my view is (as Hunter Thompson said of objective journalism) a pompous contradiction in terms. When journalism serves a societal function, it's because people can trust the news they are getting. That trust is borne out of professional standards, codes of conduct that journalists took seriously for centuries because they were potentially liable for libel if they didn't. Multiple sources, fact checking, attempts at balance, and consequences for failing to meet those standards. None of this exists with any consistency in the wild wild internettian west. People post rumors as if they were facts; they get reposted by aggregating sites without comment, they get referenced as support for subsequent reports denying the original reports, and its all an echo chamber of bullshit deafening everyone and drowning out real journalism in a deluge of unchecked facts, unverified quotes, unidentified sources. And then the professionals, increasingly irrelevant as professionalism is trumped by amateurism, rush to paddle over the same waterfall out of desperation to keep an audience and a job. But the jobs are going away; print is being swept into the dustbin of history, along with the standards of professionalism they maintained for generations. And we are abandoned to an unintelligible cacophony of contradicting and baseless white noise, all sound and fury signifying nothing more than our disinterest in distinguishing what is true from what is entertaining. If we were still living in a democracy, i'd be concerned. But for an oligarchy, we're right on schedule, because all they need to provide us with is bread and circuses.

Benjamin Grimm Apr 23 2014 09:38 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Centerfield wrote: It's pretty clear to me that Jay Horowitz is out of touch and needs to be replaced. I think that's right on the money. Jay has an affable public persona, but I think we've seen enough evidence that he's really an asshole. I think the Mets are (or should be) more embarrassed by the way they react to events than by the events that they've been reacting to. As for Harvey, I don't mind that he has a touch of the spirit of '86. Maybe they need a little more of that. (Andy Martino made a similar point in this morning's Daily News.) And as for Harvey's middle finger, I think it's ridiculous that a middle finger is offensive if it doesn't have another finger next to it, but it's inoffensive if it does. And that an index finger or a ring finger or a pinkie can stand alone inoffensively while a middle finger can't.

Vic Sage Apr 23 2014 09:47 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

don't get started on the arbitrary and hypocritical nature of obscenity. The Bible has multiple references to folks riding an ass, but if you ride somebody's ass today, Bible thumpers get all up in arms. And, as Carlin noted, you can prick your finger in public, but don't finger your prick!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 23 2014 10:59 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Vic Sage wrote: All this, CF, and a bag of chips. But i am kind of sick of people calling a 25-year old man a "kid". It's not true, and all it does is deflect his own culpability. In fact he's not a "kid"; he's a jock who has apparently lived in a bubble of entitlement since he became a BMOC for giving swirlies to his middle school nerd classmates and then went out and won the "big game". We all know the type. We all went to school with guys like him; for all i know, some of us HERE were guys like him. Not all the rules of civilization apply to this kind of guy; when they suddenly do, he takes umbrage and acts, as Edgy quite rightly characterized it, petulantly. But here's the thing... I DON'T CARE. He can be fucking supermodels in pairs, flipping off fans, tweeting pictures of his dick, and living the high life all he wants, as long as he takes the ball every 5th day, puts up big numbers, and beats the Braves like a fucking gong. I don't have to like him. I just want him to be great and to help my team win. Is it nicer to root for a guy like David "Captain America" Wright? Yes, it's nicer. But it ain't a necessary condition of my support. Will all the gnashing of teeth over this drive him away in free agency? who can say? But I'd guess that the Wilpons economic circumstances at that time will have a hell of a lot more to do with it than whining fans. On a side note, i completely agree with Edgy's view of internet "journalism" which in my view is (as Hunter Thompson said of objective journalism) a pompous contradiction in terms. When journalism serves a societal function, it's because people can trust the news they are getting. That trust is borne out of professional standards, codes of conduct that journalists took seriously for centuries because they were potentially liable for libel if they didn't. Multiple sources, fact checking, attempts at balance, and consequences for failing to meet those standards. None of this exists with any consistency in the wild wild internettian west. People post rumors as if they were facts; they get reposted by aggregating sites without comment, they get referenced as support for subsequent reports denying the original reports, and its all an echo chamber of bullshit deafening everyone and drowning out real journalism in a deluge of unchecked facts, unverified quotes, unidentified sources. And then the professionals, increasingly irrelevant as professionalism is trumped by amateurism, rush to paddle over the same waterfall out of desperation to keep an audience and a job. But the jobs are going away; print is being swept into the dustbin of history, along with the standards of professionalism they maintained for generations. And we are abandoned to an unintelligible cacophony of contradicting and baseless white noise, all sound and fury signifying nothing more than our disinterest in distinguishing what is true from what is entertaining. If we were still living in a democracy, i'd be concerned. But for an oligarchy, we're right on schedule, because all they need to provide us with is bread and circuses. That's like a $5 million post.

metsmarathon Apr 23 2014 12:32 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

here's the thing. while i agree that harvy is a big dumb jock doing big dumb jock things, living in his own world where he is the rightful and true center of its universe, around which hte moon and sun and stars all revolve, and damn the mathematics behind it all... his transgressions have been incredibly mild. incredibly mild. for a guy who kinda oozes douchebagginess (he grew up a yankee fan, right?), what has he really done wrong, other than living in the hype? he publicly drove a blinged out large SUV to spring training last year. who are we to care how he spends his money and how he gets to spring training? do we expect him to drive a beater '97 civic? good heavens he posted it to twitter! bfd. he dated a supermodel, and even took her to a rangers game. i guess he should start out dating waitresses from denny's, and only take them to the olive garden, or maybe to a park. but definitely nowhere where they could be noticed, or worse, televised for just being there. he posed naked for a magazine. the same magazine that jose reyes posed for two years prior. and, really, the photos are less of an embarrasment than the preposterous fully clothed david wright / jose reyes GQ spread from so many years ago. he wanted to exercise his right to rehab with the team, instead of in the back corner of the middle of nowhere, florida, and publicly argued with the team over it. he posted a "obscene" gesture regarding his feelings towards tjs, and reacted "petulently" when the organization (probably) reacted negatively. hte obscenity was not directed at or against anybody, and was done out of uniform, far from the playing field. am i missing anything? man, what a jerk. run him out of the game already. seriously. these are his transgressions. what am i missing? you tell me. what has he done that's so godawful? is he disrespectful towards women or minorities? is there any direct evidence that he is now and/or has been a bully, other than his assumed jockiness? is he abusive, either physically or sexually? is he a drunk, a lecherous lout? is he on drugs? is he selling drugs? does he drown kittens and electrocute puppies? is he still a yankee fan? i don't fucking get you people.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 23 2014 12:33 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I could care less about this story. I couldn't give a shit if Harvey tweeted a picture of his asshole or his cock or his wisdom teeth either. It'll entertain me for about 20 seconds, and it might affect my opinion of Harvey, and I might post a snarky comment here if the mood strikes me, but I'll mostly move on. This story says less to me about Harvey than it does about today's new world, where cameras are as accessible and ever-present as ball point pens and everyone under 25 is conditioned to announce every breath they take and every fart they make.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 23 2014 12:45 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

And everyone's expected to have an opinion about every one of those farts and breaths, quickly and loudly and without consideration or moderation. There are no more unsent letters in this world, and that's a damn shame.

Edgy MD Apr 23 2014 12:48 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Yeah, I apologize for posting it. I found it interesting only insofar as it underscored the comic hopelessness of the insistence back in camp that Matt Harvey would NOt be the story. Naturally, the only way to keep banal stuff like his soiled underwear and pungent aroma from being a lede is for the team to start careening toward the division championship.

themetfairy Apr 23 2014 01:24 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

metsmarathon wrote: seriously. these are his transgressions. what am i missing? you tell me. what has he done that's so godawful? is he disrespectful towards women or minorities? is there any direct evidence that he is now and/or has been a bully, other than his assumed jockiness? is he abusive, either physically or sexually? is he a drunk, a lecherous lout? is he on drugs? is he selling drugs? does he drown kittens and electrocute puppies? is he still a yankee fan? Exactly! Whatever jockiness/douchiness he may or may not exhibit, nothing that he has done publicly seems malevolent. Are people mad at him for getting injured?

d'Kong76 Apr 23 2014 01:42 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

One amusing thing about this (story) is how everyone turns into a judge. Judge the photo, or judge the reaction, or just the people who don't react how you react. Judge, judge, judge. I stand by the stuff just shouldn't be posted on the internet. Can someone find The Great Bong thread? And to people who smoked out of a bong one time or another did you 'pose' for pictures with it? It's just stupid ... like this (story). I also think some are trying to defend use of twitter without saying so. But we can talk about that in some other thread.

metsmarathon Apr 23 2014 01:52 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

oh, i think that twitter, and, to a lesser and sometimes greater extent, facebook, is for narcissists and brands, and narcissits who think that they are brands. i myself like to overeact to collective overreactions by calling for less of a reaction. this should be a non story and a non issue. but it became a story and an issue, and, well, we're mets fans who like to talk about mets stories and mets issues.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 23 2014 02:02 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

am i missing anything? The Qualcomm radio interview. I don't think this would be a story* if Hovvey hadn't nuked his twitter account; that drew passions of the fans who at some level were relying on him to entertain them and recast he and the team on opposite sides again. *-At least, not as much of a story, and even then, it's not much.

Ceetar Apr 23 2014 02:10 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: am i missing anything? The Qualcomm radio interview. I don't think this would be a story* if Hovvey hadn't nuked his twitter account; that drew passions of the fans who at some level were relying on him to entertain them and recast he and the team on opposite sides again. *-At least, not as much of a story, and even then, it's not much. It's not a "story". it's a one-liner if anything. volume != importance. But Harvey nuking his account is the right answer imo. It's a "fuck this noise" response. There's no need to cast him in some epic battle with the organization to fit some narrative and he's choosing to just withdraw from part of it. He became a bit of a lightning rod and thus has been used as a cog in that sort of story. It clearly wasn't worth the hassle to him, which is a shame. He wasn't a particularly interesting guy to follow, but it's sorta sad that he's found it a hassle to engage with the fans at that level.

metsmarathon Apr 23 2014 02:21 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: am i missing anything? The Qualcomm radio interview. I don't think this would be a story* if Hovvey hadn't nuked his twitter account; that drew passions of the fans who at some level were relying on him to entertain them and recast he and the team on opposite sides again. *-At least, not as much of a story, and even then, it's not much. right. that. sorry, i'm not here to talk about qualcomm. is it really the fans making a big deal out of this story, or the media, or the fans making a big deal about the media making a big deal about it?

d'Kong76 Apr 23 2014 02:32 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Facebook Twitter Instagram Snapchat Notice the lazy, lazier, laziest trend ... We need to invent something even more lazy and pronto and get it to an IPO before it's too late!

Zvon Apr 23 2014 02:46 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I like the analogy in todays news comparing Harvey to Namath of the early 70's (in NYC). The only difference is Namath played it smart and had style.

metirish Apr 23 2014 06:29 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Can I just say , this is a great thread for the opinions it has generated, Harvey as a force for good.

Edgy MD Apr 23 2014 09:16 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Weird, isn't it? I just thought it might be a good parking spot for empty-calorie Harvey celebrity stories during the season.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 26 2014 09:36 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Matt Harvey is not the story! Uh, I like sports bars and name-brand suits, and explosions and trucks and stuff.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2014 10:40 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Wow, he really isn't the story.

Ceetar Apr 26 2014 02:40 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Matt Harvey is not the story! Uh, I like sports bars and name-brand suits, and explosions and trucks and stuff. I walk around the city and talk to my family on the phone!

Ashie62 Apr 26 2014 04:04 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

This is hilarious... mostly at Matt's expense...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 26 2014 04:24 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

It kind of figures that such a tremendous, easy-chafing dick would find himself accumulating so much cheese.

Edgy MD Apr 26 2014 04:49 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD wrote: Weird, isn't it? I just thought it might be a good parking spot for empty-calorie Harvey celebrity stories during the season. Thank you, Lunchbucket, for obliging. An empty-calorie story about Matt Harvey and his empty calories.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 26 2014 05:23 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

batmagadanleadoff wrote: This story says less to me about Harvey than it does about today's new world, where cameras are as accessible and ever-present as ball point pens and everyone under 25 is conditioned to announce every breath they take and every fart they make. After reading that NYT piece, I'm changing my mind on what I wrote about Cheesy McHarvey's middle finger tweet. Harvey is a 25 and under conditioned by social media to announce every breath he takes and every fart he makes.

d'Kong76 Apr 26 2014 05:49 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Next week, hopefully Kathleen does a piece on what museums he likes to visit on Saturdays.

metirish Apr 26 2014 06:02 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I love that article, it's so funny.....

Edgy MD Apr 26 2014 06:35 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Sometimes I can't find a place to park, and I have to drive around the neighborhood a little. That can be tricky. #ADaywithHarvey

Vic Sage Apr 30 2014 09:04 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Vic Sage wrote: All this, CF, and a bag of chips. But i am kind of sick of people calling a 25-year old man a "kid". It's not true, and all it does is deflect his own culpability. In fact he's not a "kid"; he's a jock who has apparently lived in a bubble of entitlement since he became a BMOC for giving swirlies to his middle school nerd classmates and then went out and won the "big game". We all know the type. We all went to school with guys like him; for all i know, some of us HERE were guys like him. Not all the rules of civilization apply to this kind of guy; when they suddenly do, he takes umbrage and acts, as Edgy quite rightly characterized it, petulantly. But here's the thing... I DON'T CARE. He can be fucking supermodels in pairs, flipping off fans, tweeting pictures of his dick, and living the high life all he wants, as long as he takes the ball every 5th day, puts up big numbers, and beats the Braves like a fucking gong. I don't have to like him. I just want him to be great and to help my team win. Is it nicer to root for a guy like David "Captain America" Wright? Yes, it's nicer. But it ain't a necessary condition of my support. Will all the gnashing of teeth over this drive him away in free agency? who can say? But I'd guess that the Wilpons economic circumstances at that time will have a hell of a lot more to do with it than whining fans. On a side note, i completely agree with Edgy's view of internet "journalism" which in my view is (as Hunter Thompson said of objective journalism) a pompous contradiction in terms. When journalism serves a societal function, it's because people can trust the news they are getting. That trust is borne out of professional standards, codes of conduct that journalists took seriously for centuries because they were potentially liable for libel if they didn't. Multiple sources, fact checking, attempts at balance, and consequences for failing to meet those standards. None of this exists with any consistency in the wild wild internettian west. People post rumors as if they were facts; they get reposted by aggregating sites without comment, they get referenced as support for subsequent reports denying the original reports, and its all an echo chamber of bullshit deafening everyone and drowning out real journalism in a deluge of unchecked facts, unverified quotes, unidentified sources. And then the professionals, increasingly irrelevant as professionalism is trumped by amateurism, rush to paddle over the same waterfall out of desperation to keep an audience and a job. But the jobs are going away; print is being swept into the dustbin of history, along with the standards of professionalism they maintained for generations. And we are abandoned to an unintelligible cacophony of contradicting and baseless white noise, all sound and fury signifying nothing more than our disinterest in distinguishing what is true from what is entertaining. If we were still living in a democracy, i'd be concerned. But for an oligarchy, we're right on schedule, because all they need to provide us with is bread and circuses. That's like a $5 million post. I'm still waiting for my check!

Edgy MD Jul 22 2014 04:51 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Got to hand it to Harvey. I thought this thread was gonna be a lot more active.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 22 2014 05:10 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

"Who the hell is Matt Harvey? Let's go, Jakey!" [fimg=544]http://michaelstvtray.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/harvey-korman.jpg[/fimg]

Ashie62 Jul 22 2014 08:07 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Maybe the grind of a long season sucks some of the life out of someone on rehab...

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2014 10:32 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD wrote: Got to hand it to Harvey. I thought this thread was gonna be a lot more active. There was something in one of the on-line newspaper sites in the last day or two about Matt and Katy Perry meeting up somewhere ... but I didn't read it so I'm sans details on this one.

themetfairy Jul 22 2014 10:35 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Got to hand it to Harvey. I thought this thread was gonna be a lot more active. There was something in one of the on-line newspaper sites in the last day or two about Matt and Katy Perry meeting up somewhere ... but I didn't read it so I'm sans details on this one. Katy Interrupted Matt's Kareoke Not exactly the story of the century.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2014 10:37 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

You can put up all the links you want I'm still not going to read it.

themetfairy Jul 22 2014 10:42 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

You don't have to. I gave you the Reader's Digest version.

Ceetar Jul 23 2014 07:08 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Matt was with Shannon Rusbuldt and others in a private karaoke room. Katy shouted hi to them and Matt got flustered or broke concentration or something. Just scathing stuff. Whoever ran to the press to report that tidbit has a bright career in journalism ahead of them.

seawolf17 Jul 23 2014 07:16 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I clicked it because I knew there would be a picture of Katy Perry, and pictures of Katy Perry are always worth a click.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 07:33 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Ceetar wrote: Matt was with Shannon Rusbuldt and others in a private karaoke room. Katy shouted hi to them and Matt got flustered or broke concentration or something. Just scathing stuff. Whoever ran to the press to report that tidbit has a bright career in journalism ahead of them. Try and dodge that, Frayed Knot! HA!

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2014 08:14 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Well if they're going to run pictures of that blonde I'll check things out. Katy Perry, on the other hand, does nothing for me.

Centerfield Jul 23 2014 08:32 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Nothing? Come on FK. I can understand the music is not for everyone, but wow, she would be tough to take pass on if she were sending eyes your way.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 08:34 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I'm with the Knot on this one.

seawolf17 Jul 23 2014 09:21 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

Frayed Knot Jul 23 2014 09:33 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Not only do I think she's not all that hot* but I get the opinion that there's an even bigger gap between her public 'face' and her un-made-up one than there is for your average celebrity. She always looks kind of plastic to me. As for talent, I haven't heard enough to form much of an opinion except to say that what I have heard sounds like tween-age pop fluff * and, yes, 'not hot' is a relative term here to the extent that if she were totally ugly she wouldn't be within a Giancarlo Stanton HR of show biz in the first place

Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 09:43 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Yeah, the problem isn't the person but all the paint on the person.

themetfairy Jul 23 2014 09:51 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

seawolf17 wrote: I clicked it because I knew there would be a picture of Katy Perry, and pictures of Katy Perry are always worth a click. This on's for you seawolf (and for CF) -

Vic Sage Jul 23 2014 01:53 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

i went to the Katy concert at MSG with my daughter; it was a nice daddy/daughter date. I enjoyed the show; it's quite a spectacle. And she's hot.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 24 2014 05:49 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD wrote: Yeah, the problem isn't the person but all the paint on the person. I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin'...

Frayed Knot Jul 24 2014 06:09 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Dressing up like Cleopatra and putting pinwheels on your tits ... I tells ya talent like that just doesn't come along every day.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2014 06:52 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Who's the sleep-deprived 12-year-old?

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2014 07:54 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

"Local" news just ran a tease blurb, that the Mets may have an ace up their sleeves this season in Mr. Harevelous. Permission granted to throw off mound next week.

d'Kong76 Aug 09 2014 07:14 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Mets announcers mock SNY's coverage of Matt Harvey NY Daily News by Bob Raissman On this occasion Gary Cohen and Ron Darling believed the coverage of Harvey, or at least SNY’s planned coverage of his Port St. Lucie session, was gratuitous and over the top. For two voices usually in tune with the fan base, they were not exactly pitch-perfect. Matt Harvey is still the No. 1 attraction for Mets fans, so his rehab in Port St. Lucie is a big story to cover, but Mets broadcasters don't seem to think that way. So much silence followed his few seconds of airtime, one might have surmised Jonas Schwartz delivered words altering the course of the free world — not just the world according to Matt Harvey. By no means was Schwartz’s soliloquy poetic or prophetic. It was a straight-up promo, a step-right-up pitch designed to plug fans into the next leg of Harvey’s rehabilitation tour. “He takes his throwing program to Florida tomorrow,” Schwartz crooned Monday during a break in the sixth inning of Giants-Mets. “We (SNY) will have a camera crew there to take you every step of the way. Full coverage throughout the day.” Then came the silence. Next came the voice of Gary Cohen. “I don’t even know what to say," Cohen, incredulously, said. “I know what to say,” Ron Darling said. “After the (Harvey) throwing, bloomin’ onions all around.” For a moment forget Cohen and Darling had just verbally bum-rushed Schwartz, an innocent bystander here. The analyst and play-by-play man knew Schwartz had delivered a pure promotional pitch. They’ve heard a million of them, articulated some themselves, but still elected to make light of this particular one. The larger issue here is narrow and defined: On this occasion Cohen and Darling believed the coverage of Harvey, or at least SNY’s planned coverage of his Port St. Lucie session, was gratuitous and over the top. For two voices usually in tune with the fan base, they were not exactly pitch-perfect. “What does full coverage throughout the day mean?” Cohen asked. “He (Harvey) only can throw for five minutes,” Darling said. “Then you are going to analyze his throwing? Did he use his secondary pitches? No, he just threw a fastball. Did he throw 60%? 70%?” Well, yeah. What’s wrong with that kind of analysis? Mets fans are interested in anything Harvey does, whether it’s who he’s smooching in the back of some club or what events he’s attending. And they are most interested in seeing Harvey throwing a baseball with his surgically repaired arm. They want to see how he is progressing and even hear some analysis too. For Cohen and Darling, this session might not have provided much to analyze. With Harvey, that’s cool. The media seals covet any analytical or social crumbs he feeds them.

Edgy MD Aug 09 2014 07:35 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Matt Harvey not not being the story is NOT the story! Anyhow, notice how the same sentence appears twice in that report? Nobody copyedits anymore. Nobody.

metirish Aug 09 2014 07:36 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

I didn't hear that but that is funny , and I think in tune with a lot of Mets fans, is Bob still a guest on SNY shows?

d'Kong76 Aug 09 2014 07:37 PM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Edgy MD wrote: Nobody copyedits anymore. Nobody. That was probably my fault.

d'Kong76 Sep 11 2014 11:49 AM Re: Matt Harvey Is NOT the Story

Cool, bring your clipboard and you can chart deGrom's pitches! http://metsblog.com/metsblog/harvey-is- ... ening-day/