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Cry For Help

G-Fafif Apr 29 2014 01:41 PM

Mets attempt to sell tickets and True New Yorker t-shirts that are probably piling up given Curtis Granderson's .129 batting average by pulling on the ol' heartstrings. No better time to rally support than when you're several games above break-even. To True New Yorkers - The victory you earn is sweeter than the victory you're given. When we won in '69 and '86, we, the players, didn't do it on our own. We made history together -- players and fans -- through a gritty, even stubborn, belief in this club against all the odds. When we've won, we've proved through the way we did it that true New Yorkers are Mets fans. So today we're issuing a call to all Mets fans: Show your New York Mets pride -- stand up and say you're a true New Yorker. As players, we can tell you that what happens in the clubhouse and what happens in the stands -- players and fans together, believing in each other -- makes a tremendous difference with what happens on the field. Your support matters; we wouldn't have won without you. So we're calling on you to give today's club the same chance we had. If you agree that the fans have a role to play in making amazing things happen, add your name to this letter: Mets.com/TrueNewYorker One fan -- maybe you -- will present the signatures on this letter and the messages from fans to the team, before the Mets' first Subway Series game at Citi Field. If you add your name, it could be you. We'll see you there. Let's Go Mets! -- Keith Hernandez, Ron Darling, Cleon Jones, Ed Charles, Jerry Koosman, and Doc Gooden

batmagadanleadoff Apr 29 2014 01:47 PM Re: Cry For Help

Gwreck Apr 29 2014 03:43 PM Re: Cry For Help

I saw the email come in and I was left wondering if there was something wrong or something that I had missed. As if somebody did something to disgrace the name of the Mets (no Wilpon joke intended here) that I missed, and was this an attempt fix things by rallying support from good people. I guess it's an effective campaign, as it got me to stop and read the email all the way through, the way a "come see the Mets on their next homestand" email wouldn't. But now that I understand it, I'm left feeling more cynical than before. Relax, guys. I support the team just fine, and still well more than the average Joe. If you want the people beyond me (and others similarly situated), you just need to keep winning.

themetfairy Apr 29 2014 04:07 PM Re: Cry For Help

A loyalty oath?

d'Kong76 Apr 29 2014 04:29 PM Re: Cry For Help

They're unbelievable some days.

Frayed Knot Apr 29 2014 04:43 PM Re: Cry For Help

I'm also not sure it's too wise to have two current, and therefore supposedly unbiased, announcers acting as cheerleaders. I mean, I think we all know that home team announcers are NOT akin to Cronkite & Brinkley, but the idea that they're being morphed into part announcer/part pr flack smacks as a bit dicey. Having Cleon, Kooz, Ed Charles, etc., saying things to rally the troops if fine ... even if it all comes off as, at worst, somewhat desperate, and more than a bit silly at best.

Ashie62 Apr 29 2014 07:09 PM Re: Cry For Help

Does Mookie know his name is on this?

Fman99 Apr 29 2014 07:25 PM Re: Cry For Help

What the fuck?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 29 2014 07:36 PM Re: Cry For Help

I think maybe this is the work of that boy wonder revenue whiz they hired from the Pirates last season.

Edgy MD Apr 29 2014 07:39 PM Re: Cry For Help

Youse guys gots to quit putting songs in my head. [youtube:23s29f8i]C2xel6q0yao[/youtube:23s29f8i]

metirish Apr 29 2014 07:46 PM Re: Cry For Help Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 29 2014 07:47 PM

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metirish Apr 29 2014 07:46 PM Re: Cry For Help

I imagine this is something a low minor league team would do....got the email too......read it a few times to fathom it.

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 07:21 AM Re: Cry For Help

They send out emails all the time. They're just mixing it up a bit. That's fine.

metsmarathon Apr 30 2014 07:25 AM Re: Cry For Help

well... um... at least they're trying... ... right?

Centerfield Apr 30 2014 07:29 AM Re: Cry For Help

I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to (Manila, Philippines) for a short vacation unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash,credit card and cell were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the embassy they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in less than few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the Idiot hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills,I'm freaked out at the moment.I need you to lend me some money to sort my self out of this predicament, will pay back once I get this over with. Hope to hear from you soon. Your New York Mets

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 07:35 AM Re: Cry For Help

Like it or hate it or whatever, it's going to get talked about. Attention and interest in the Mets is good. It's also probably an attempt to ramp up Subway Series talk (less than two weeks) and is a play off Granderson's comments. I like that, It paints Granderson, who is hopefully hitting better by then, as a Met rather than some sort of awkward reunion thing. He'll probably get booed worse than Cano, although it'll be hard to tell because there will actually be fans in attendance. And the attendance is a thing. Both teams have struggled with it since the series became a mid-week thing. So increased attention on the Subway Series is valuable.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2014 07:39 AM Re: Cry For Help

Let's just say that I don't know much about marketing, but jus' because it don't work for me doesn't mean it doesn't work for the fourth grader that gets his dad to buy him tickets. I mean, it seems a big part of social media marketing is to get folks to sign this or that, which I guess kinda pushes vulnerable minds into making a psychological commitment to the brand, and also harvests names and e-mail accounts for future marketing pusches --- moves them from the "Brand-Aware Prodigals" to the "Personally Connected Advocates" among the marketing segmentation groups, or from the "Personally Connected Advocates" to the "Cultural Disciples." I mean, Texas State Senator Wendy Davis has some marketing firm put something in my FB feed EVERY DAY asking me to sign this letter or that petition demanding redress against the latest offensive comment to her womanhood. I'm neither a Democrat nor a Texan, and I'm certainly not naive enough to believe her complaint is about answering the offense in question, but rather advancing her campaign for governor, but clearly somebody who knows something more about marketing than me knows this is how you advance a brand.

seawolf17 Apr 30 2014 07:42 AM Re: Cry For Help

Centerfield wrote: I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to (Manila, Philippines) for a short vacation unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash,credit card and cell were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the embassy they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in less than few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the Idiot hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills,I'm freaked out at the moment.I need you to lend me some money to sort my self out of this predicament, will pay back once I get this over with. Hope to hear from you soon. Your New York Mets /wires the Mets ten thousand dollars immediately /#truenewyorker

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2014 08:20 AM Re: Cry For Help

seawolf17 wrote: Centerfield wrote: I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,my family and I came down here to (Manila, Philippines) for a short vacation unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed,all cash,credit card and cell were stolen off us but luckily for us we still have our passports with us. We've been to the embassy they're not helping issues at all and our flight leaves in less than few hours from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the Idiot hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills,I'm freaked out at the moment.I need you to lend me some money to sort my self out of this predicament, will pay back once I get this over with. Hope to hear from you soon. Your New York Mets /wires the Mets ten thousand dollars immediately /#truenewyorker That's great. In the meantime we really do need to do something for Lucas Duda. You don't think Ike was messed up in this do ya?

metsmarathon Apr 30 2014 08:33 AM Re: Cry For Help

i love that he had a knockoff breitling watch.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2014 09:09 AM Re: Cry For Help

That really is SUCH a classic New York robbery report item. "They stole my knockoff high end watch!" Johan should buy him an authentic one, but it just would never suit Duda.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2014 09:39 AM Re: Cry For Help

Doodoo by the way cannot move without experiencing calamities. You may recall he broke his wrist moving furniture a couple years ago.

A Boy Named Seo Apr 30 2014 09:47 AM Re: Cry For Help

I love that he had a checkbook. If it wasn't for my rent, I would've written my last check in, like, 2k4. Wonder if he bought that shitty watch with a starter check from his new account?

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 09:55 AM Re: Cry For Help

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I love that he had a checkbook. If it wasn't for my rent, I would've written my last check in, like, 2k4. Wonder if he bought that shitty watch with a starter check from his new account? I imagine being on the move away from home so much (and unmarried with a wife to do that stuff) necessitates carrying around some of that stuff. Thought I can't remember the last time I wrote a check for a non-gift type thing besides the um, scary 5 figure one I brought to the house closing.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2014 10:33 AM Re: Cry For Help

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Wonder if he bought that shitty watch with a starter check from his new account? And because it went along so well with the free toaster.

G-Fafif Apr 30 2014 10:36 AM Re: Cry For Help

Rubin directly (as opposed to passive-aggressively) provides his take. Mets marketers apparently are alarmed. With Citi Field mostly empty in April and a Facebook study suggesting Mets fans are even outnumbered in Queens, team personnel awkwardly sent out an email blast asking “True New Yorkers” to sign a letter supporting the team. Fans were asked to write a positive note that may be presented to the players. It was signed, presumably under duress, by members of the '69 and '86 Mets. Forget the minor league stuff. Want to build a fan base? Here are five simple steps: 5. Stop embarrassing yourselves. The letter might have yielded some new contacts for ticket salesmen, but it came off as amateurish. Which is how the Mets come off far too often. By insisting Matt Harvey was not a story, the Mets made Matt Harvey a story. Hopefully they’re not pushing Harvey toward the Bronx when he’s a free agent during the 2018-19 offseason, too. Feel secure and stop overreacting to little things. 4. Embrace your history. Mookie Wilson clearly opened a nerve within the organization when he described himself as a “hood ornament” in his newly released memoir. At first blush, Mookie’s criticism might seem ridiculous. After all, Tim Teufel is the third-base coach, Ron Darling, Keith Hernandez and Bobby Ojeda work for SNY, Wally Backman manages the Triple-A team, Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden have at least casual presences, and Mookie himself twice served on the coaching staff. But it long has been a criticism of the '86 Mets that they’re held at arm’s length, even if their visibility has increased and that chatter mostly has receded. We all know the Mets had to be dragged kicking and screaming into adorning Citi Field with blue and orange and into adding a team museum after the first season in the new ballpark. The Mets recently wore seven different jerseys in seven games, including military fatigues. No one is saying don’t honor the military, but you wouldn't see the Yankees eschewing their tradition to wear camouflage. Many fans cynically viewed it as a money grab. 3. Spend money to make money. Want to energize your fan base? Spend some damn money. That doesn’t mean doling out six- and seven-year contracts. How much better would the current team be with the likes of even modest additions, such as Stephen Drew, Joel Hanrahan, LaTroy Hawkins and others who would only bring the payroll to a still-modest $110 million or $120 million rather than its current $86 million? 2. Play the kids. This is not a slam against 40-year-old Bobby Abreu. He may very well help the Mets win games. But there was a myth forever in these parts that you couldn't build from within. Play Juan Lagares. Bring up Jacob deGrom. Stop looking at arbitration clocks and give the fans what they want to see. 1. Win. If you're a kid growing up now, sure your parents may indoctrinate you into the family tradition of being a Mets fan. But for the independent thinkers, the Mets are losing a whole generation of followers because of their lack of success. The Mets entered 2014 with consecutive collapses, then five straight losing seasons. That is tied with the Houston Astros for the longest active streak of losing seasons. Want young fans? Win. Say it three more times: Want young fans? Win. Want young fans? Win. Want young fans? Win.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2014 10:44 AM Re: Cry For Help

Mets marketers apparently are alarmed. So I did my job and called up a Mets marketer and spoke at length with him. Wait, I didn't do that at all. Instead, I published this screed which looks twice as amateurish as any Mets marketing campaign.

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 10:51 AM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: Mets marketers apparently are alarmed. So I did my job and called up a Mets marketer and spoke at length with him. Wait, I didn't do that at all. Instead, I published this screed which looks twice as amateurish as any Mets marketing campaign. It's not a screed, it's a cover letter.

Edgy MD Apr 30 2014 10:57 AM Re: Cry For Help

Good luck with that, Rube.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2014 11:05 AM Re: Cry For Help

He's obviously right about several of these things that we've been pointing out for years -- namely the internal paranoia and lack of courage in their convictions; their inauthenticity; and their willingness to undermine whatever message they're trying to get out if some crass revenue grab arises. Some of this stuff, like fucking up Citi Field form the start, is the kind of thing fans like me might not ever get over.

Frayed Knot Apr 30 2014 11:13 AM Re: Cry For Help

I'm betting that a lot of this is a (over) reaction to that Facebook stuff. They probably don't believe that Met fans are out-numbered--at least not in as large a ratio and in certain areas--as that survey shows, but that fewer of them are willing to publicly announce their fandom. So they trot out some hastily thrown together letter complete with the stamp of approval from past heroes spanning several eras in an attempt to buck up the troops and get some of them out from hiding. And, as usual, NYM mgmt retains a unique talent for looking worse pr-wise after their pr move then they did beforehand.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2014 11:54 AM Re: Cry For Help

Frayed Knot wrote: I'm betting that [crossout]a lot[/crossout] all of this is a (over) reaction to that Facebook stuff. Fixed.

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 12:01 PM Re: Cry For Help

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I'm betting that [crossout]a lot[/crossout] all of this is a (over) reaction to that Facebook stuff. Fixed. In the sense that it's their own click-bait in response to that click-bait? yes.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2014 12:08 PM Re: Cry For Help

[fimg=733]http://mlb.mlb.com/nym/images/fan_forum/y2014/1070x1456_true_ny_letter.png[/fimg] Here's the reaction from the NY Yankees front office. [fimg=433]https://31.media.tumblr.com/be3d42678483d6eb1f11915d12c53056/tumblr_inline_n1ickge8VU1rn347n.gif[/fimg] [fimg=332]http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2009/specials/emmys/party-gallery/john-krasinski-660.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=333]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/24/article-2283784-183FAB57000005DC-504_634x603.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=333]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/7/23/anigif_enhanced-buzz-5546-1389156780-6.gif[/fimg] [fimg=333]http://lovelynat.free.fr/NatRireChamp.jpg#uncontrollable%20laughter%20559x669[/fimg] [fimg=333]http://www.nocturnar.com/imagenes/ha-ha-nelson-nelson_haha.gif[/fimg]

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 12:15 PM Re: Cry For Help

How can they laugh when they're on their knees in front of Derek?

Benjamin Grimm Apr 30 2014 12:36 PM Re: Cry For Help

It's bad enough that people laugh at the Mets, but now even dogs are laughing at the Mets? When I first got the e-mail from the Mets, the 14-year-old in me was about to unthinkingly sign up. But then this seemed too similar to the recent stories about Jews being forced to register in the Ukraine. Sure that turned out to be a hoax (I hope!), but it sounded scary and nefarious. So after giving this a quick second thought, I saw this as more desperate and creepy than "patriotic." So, no, I'm not going to "register" as a Mets fan.

batmagadanleadoff Apr 30 2014 12:43 PM Re: Cry For Help

Meanwhile, don't look now but if the season ended today, the Mets would be hosting the Rockies in the single elimination Wild Card play-in game.

Mets Guy in Michigan Apr 30 2014 01:11 PM Re: Cry For Help

I don't have a problem with it. Nothing wrong with a little "rally around the troops" kind of thing. They're using former stars and not the current guys, which is interesting because the team is forever being accused of not recognizing its own history. Bleep Rubin and his "the Yankees wouldn't wear seven jerseys" crap. They can't even get the NY on the jersey to match the NY on the cap. We're not the Yankees and their boatload of former and current roiaded and otherwise rule-breaking players. (Anybody heard from their third baseman in a while? When was the last time a Mets player was suspended for applying a substance to the ball?) A Yankee version of this would start out with "BOW DOWN TO YOUR GODS" and get worse from there, and charge you $10 for the honor of reading it. Seriously, I don't care if they laugh. They're going to laugh at us no matter what we do. Bleep them and their billion dollar Death Star bandbox ballpark with its billboard-sized plaque that pays tribute to a guy suspended for trying to screw over his biggest star. Hey, Cleon, Jerry, Ed, Keith, Ron and Doc: I got your back and I signed your petition. (Some true New Yorkers can live in Michigan.)

SteveJRogers Apr 30 2014 04:32 PM Re: Cry For Help

Vaccaro calls it an affront to Real Met Fans and calls out the revisionist labeling the 108 regular season game winning 1986ers as gritty underdogs. [url]http://nypost.com/2014/04/30/clueless-mets-loyalty-letter-is-an-affront-to-real-fans/

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2014 04:44 PM Re: Cry For Help

Don't they have some young internet/social media guy now that's running some of this stuff? If he is, uh .. this episode has kinda backfired. An email response to all the backfire would be LOADS of fun!!!

Zvon Apr 30 2014 04:51 PM Re: Cry For Help

d'Kong76 wrote: Don't they have some young internet/social media guy now that's running some of this stuff? If he is, uh .. this episode has kinda backfired. An email response to all the backfire would be LOADS of fun!!! I feel for that guy. That's a tuff gig these days. Almost a no-win situation. It would have had to be perfect to cover all current Mets fans. Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message?

SteveJRogers Apr 30 2014 05:00 PM Re: Cry For Help

Zvon wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Don't they have some young internet/social media guy now that's running some of this stuff? If he is, uh .. this episode has kinda backfired. An email response to all the backfire would be LOADS of fun!!! I feel for that guy. That's a tuff gig these days. Almost a no-win situation. It would have had to be perfect to cover all current Mets fans. Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message? I wouldn't have, and let the "organic" nature of The7Line and such do that for me. I'd emphasize all that the franchise does in community outreach programs as our way of building a fanbase and brand loyalty as the team is grossly underachieving and causing much apathy among those who go to games or like an official social media page/account.

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 05:30 PM Re: Cry For Help

Zvon wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: Don't they have some young internet/social media guy now that's running some of this stuff? If he is, uh .. this episode has kinda backfired. An email response to all the backfire would be LOADS of fun!!! I feel for that guy. That's a tuff gig these days. Almost a no-win situation. It would have had to be perfect to cover all current Mets fans. Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message? The 'perfect' message, and really the only message, is "It's September 17th and we've just clinched the NL East."

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 30 2014 05:53 PM Re: Cry For Help

I really think the heart of it is that between the incompetence and inattention when they had money and the ineffectual results now that they're broke, just about any and all efforts to look better are going to be met with skepticism. The owners in particular haven't any equity with the fans at all so all the fruit is rotten. I think this particular stunt is a little patronizing and probably, intended more to sell tickets and collect emails and demographics than an honest attempt to define themselves. That said as always people overreact. It's just another sales pitch. There will be more.

Gwreck Apr 30 2014 06:37 PM Re: Cry For Help

Ceetar wrote: In the sense that it's their own click-bait in response to that click-bait? yes. I think you are not accurately using the term "click-bait." It was a New York Times story and map. That's not "click-bait." It's an interesting story with actual data to support it.

Lefty Specialist Apr 30 2014 06:54 PM Re: Cry For Help

Zvon wrote: Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message? "You know, we've sucked for the last few years. We'll admit it. But we're working hard and getting better. Come out and see." Or some variant thereof.

MFS62 Apr 30 2014 07:00 PM Re: Cry For Help

Referring to that other thread, did the Mets really fire their long-time PR Director? Was it because of this campaign (it was too late to pull the plug on it) or is this an example of their attempts at PR after he's gone? This wasn't shooting themselves in the foot. It was shooting themselves 2 feet higher. Later

Edgy MD Apr 30 2014 07:32 PM Re: Cry For Help

Lefty Specialist wrote: Zvon wrote: Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message? "You know, we've sucked for the last few years. We'll admit it. But we're working hard and getting better. Come out and see." Or some variant thereof. [fimg=400]http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/no-people-angry-ceo-8564040.jpg[/fimg]

d'Kong76 Apr 30 2014 07:56 PM Re: Cry For Help

Zvon wrote: I feel for that guy. That's a tuff gig these days. Almost a no-win situation. It would have had to be perfect to cover all current Mets fans. Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message? Come on out to Citifield this Thursday night as the Mets take on the Fishsticks. First 25,000 fans in attendance will receive a Mets Microwave Fishsticks tee shirt courtesy of Mrs. Paul's and cranepoolforum.net? That works! I don't mind the advertising emails, but this one was over-the- top and they deserve the interflufferflack they got over it.

themetfairy Apr 30 2014 08:25 PM Re: Cry For Help

It was the equivalent of those emotionally manipulative Facebook posts that say things like, "Cancer is horrible and we all hate it, but most of you are too cruel and unfeeling to post this as your status." I don't need to sign a loyalty oath in order to be a Mets fan. But the fact that they asked is annoying.

Lefty Specialist Apr 30 2014 08:31 PM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: Lefty Specialist wrote: Zvon wrote: Can anyone here come up with what would have been the perfect message? "You know, we've sucked for the last few years. We'll admit it. But we're working hard and getting better. Come out and see." Or some variant thereof. [fimg=400]http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/no-people-angry-ceo-8564040.jpg[/fimg] Okay, then free beer for the rest of the season.

Ceetar Apr 30 2014 08:45 PM Re: Cry For Help

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: In the sense that it's their own click-bait in response to that click-bait? yes. I think you are not accurately using the term "click-bait." It was a New York Times story and map. That's not "click-bait." It's an interesting story with actual data to support it. no it wasn't. it was click bait. The New York Times is not above that. it was 'actual data' only in the the sense that it involved numbers. It was about as factual as asking tailgaters at MetLife stadium what their favorite sport is and then claiming baseball is dying. (And yes, I'm aware plenty of places basically do that too) It's Facebook likes grouped by arbitrary boundaries. It's not a secret that the Yankees have been better in the Facebook era. You don't need to break it out by zipcode. The Yankees have 7.46 million likes. The Mets have 911,895 likes. It's not particularly meaningful data. This is not a sample of X New Yorkers and studying who likes who. This is a sample of X people who are engaged with their team, and clearly Yankees fans are more engaged. But this isn't measuring '% of fans' or anything like that. Other reason for this include people liking both teams because A. They're really Mets fans first but prefer to root for good teams, B. Keeping tabs on the 'little brother', C. Red Sox fans in the area liking the Yankees for things like ticket giveaways (they do play the Sox 9 times at home..) Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific. Maybe Mets fans don't feel the need to like the Mets on Facebook. Nothing the Mets do, PR wise, is going to be 'a hit', but they've gotten everyone talking about them, and beyond criticism about how it was done, there isn't really anything embarrassing about it. Oh no, they want you to give them your email to enter a contest? big whoop, that's PR 101. No one's walking away from the team because they wrote a silly email. But some fans will engage. some will be curious about the letter and it's presentation, and it certainly seems like the media is going to cover it. This was really a no-lose situation for the team. I'd be surprised if anyone's opinion of the team really changed. This email didn't put anyone that previously didn't think the Mets were poorly run over the edge, and everyone else is just chirping 'business as usual'. Really, it boils down to one thing. winning. The Yankees have done it, and the Mets have not. Therefore perception reflects that. Give the Mets a playoff berth and a competitive winning team next year and the Yankees missing the playoffs again and this will change so fast you'll have tens of thousands of Mets fans at Citi Field saying things like "Jose Reyes? Did he play for the Mets?"

Mets – Willets Point Apr 30 2014 08:47 PM Re: Cry For Help

You all know this is just a sweepstakes to win tickets to a game versus the Yankees, right?

Zvon Apr 30 2014 09:10 PM Re: Cry For Help

If they want to know what kind of a fan I am all they have to do is google "Zvon Mets". And as loyal as I am to the team, that does not make me loyal to the owners. Ever since Fred's crack about Wright not being up to snuff with other all-star caliber players, they have gotten the minimal amount of $$ support from me. And I will continue my own personal stand until the owners make me feel otherwise (I am more than willing to forgive). If everyone did this for an extended period of time I imagine they would have to sell the team. I personally don't demand for them to sell. I don't hate them because I really don't know them. I just want them to be better owners. And time is telling me they may never be.

seawolf17 May 01 2014 09:09 AM Re: Cry For Help

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Hey, Cleon, Jerry, Ed, Keith, Ron and Doc: I got your back and I signed your petition. (Some true New Yorkers can live in Michigan.) I'm glad to know I'm not the only one here who signed on immediately.

Mets – Willets Point May 01 2014 09:42 AM Re: Cry For Help

seawolf17 wrote: Hey, Cleon, Jerry, Ed, Keith, Ron and Doc: I got your back and I signed your petition. (Some true New Yorkers can live in Michigan.) I'm glad to know I'm not the only one here who signed on immediately. I did too, and I've never even lived in New York.

metsmarathon May 01 2014 12:03 PM Re: Cry For Help

i'm a true new jerseyan and am therefore ineligible to sign the letter.

Ceetar May 01 2014 12:52 PM Re: Cry For Help

metsmarathon wrote: i'm a true new jerseyan and am therefore ineligible to sign the letter. many New Jerseyians are truer New Yorkers than many New Yorkers.

Edgy MD May 02 2014 11:15 AM Re: Cry For Help

I'm a true New Yorker, therefore I resent being marketed to! I demand the team change its colors to gray and grayer, choose as next year's slogan "Come on out! Or don't... whatever... ," and change all giveaway days to "What? The Game Isn't Enough for You?" days!

d'Kong76 May 02 2014 02:11 PM Re: Cry For Help

I just got a personal email from John Franco!!

Gwreck May 02 2014 06:01 PM Re: Cry For Help

Ceetar wrote: It's Facebook likes grouped by arbitrary boundaries. It's also broken down by County, if you zoom out. These are actual geographic boundaries that exist. They weren't created arbitrarily. It's not a secret that the Yankees have been better in the Facebook era. You don't need to break it out by zipcode. First, the map was about more than the Mets and Yankees. Second, time and proximity is always going to be a part of any data collection. Nobody asks (or expects to receive accurate answers) otherwise. The answer you get is for NOW. This is not a sample of X New Yorkers and studying who likes who. Nobody said it was. Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific. Irrelevant --- You don't have to like the data presented but it doesn't make it inaccurate. The Mets are not popular. I have no problem understanding that. Your point about "it all comes down to winning" is the right pone. The Mets would do well to worry less about who is a true fan and more (much, much more) about winning.

d'Kong76 May 02 2014 06:24 PM Re: Cry For Help

Gwreck wrote: The Mets would do well to worry less about who is a true fan and more (much, much more) about winning. Amen, brother.

Rockin' Doc May 02 2014 07:21 PM Re: Cry For Help

I guess it is official, not only am I not considered a true New Yorker, but apparently I'm not considered a Mets fan either since I didn't receive a plea for me to express my loyalty. Probably just as well. For whatever reason, my enthusiasm for the Mets has faded considerably during the past year.

d'Kong76 May 02 2014 07:30 PM Re: Cry For Help

Doc, you need to take a road trip and come visit. We have a special kool-aid to make you see the light again!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 02 2014 09:08 PM Re: Cry For Help

Seriously. This stock is about to trend upward; this is not the time to go short, friend-o.

Ceetar May 03 2014 07:30 AM Re: Cry For Help

Gwreck wrote: First, the map was about more than the Mets and Yankees. Second, time and proximity is always going to be a part of any data collection. Nobody asks (or expects to receive accurate answers) otherwise. The answer you get is for NOW. Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific. Irrelevant --- You don't have to like the data presented but it doesn't make it inaccurate. The Mets are not popular. I have no problem understanding that. Your point about "it all comes down to winning" is the right pone. The Mets would do well to worry less about who is a true fan and more (much, much more) about winning. No, it's precisely about the Mets and Yankese (as are the open letters). In a one-team town you don't have this problem, because the sample of "Facebook users who like baseball teams" are unlikely to have a significant percentage of other teams therefore represent a higher percentage, even though the 80% in the Denver area probably represents less fans than a 15% in a North Jersey county. I'm not saying the data is inaccurate so much as meaningless. You can't draw any inferences from it, but it's certainly easy to use it to support a pre-conceived notion. I mention the blogs because one of the main reasons to like the Mets facebook page would be to follow the team. But with quality other sources, Mets fans might not be as likely to bother. Luckily the overlap between people working on open letters and people working on making a winning team is roughly 0. If anything, winning will make this sorta stuff go away, because the marketing dept will have to try less hard to get fans to sign up, and if the Mets had made the playoffs last year you'd have roughly 3 million people signing up to win the tickets and properly treating the letter like the marketing gimmick it is.

Rockin' Doc May 03 2014 10:18 AM Re: Cry For Help

d'Kong76 wrote: Doc, you need to take a road trip and come visit. We have a special kool-aid to make you see the light again! I would like that. Maybe I can find a long weekend for a road trip. I think actually being able to take in a game again would do wonders for my psyche and fandom. Besides, the company is always great.

Rockin' Doc May 03 2014 10:25 AM Re: Cry For Help

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Seriously. This stock is about to trend upward; this is not the time to go short, friend-o. Thanks for the encouragement. I know I need to hang in through the lean years, as they make you appreciate the good years that much more. Unfortunately, living almost 500 miles from Citi Field and spending less time on the internet than I did in the past, makes it difficult to follow the team as closely as I would like.

SteveJRogers May 03 2014 11:14 AM Re: Cry For Help

Ceetar wrote: Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific... I mention the blogs because one of the main reasons to like the Mets facebook page would be to follow the team. But with quality other sources, Mets fans might not be as likely to bother. Out of curiosity, in the vast wasteland of anyone with an internet email account can throw up a blog page, how can this actually be measured in any fashioned? Obviously you are not venturing into the depths of the Evil Empire's Internet Fan Community to see who promotes their sites, podcasts, and whatnot, on social media accounts, message boards and so on, so in general it is kind of hard to judge one fan community's blogosphere (and social media communities) when you are just active in only one team's fan community. And I mention the vast wasteland, because just like with Met blogs, just because the blog writer(s) or podcast hosts aren't harping about their stuff on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Reddit, YouTube, Tout, Instagram, MySpace, Friendster, Pintrest, Foursquare or whatever social network(s) you think works best to promote your stuff, doesn't imply quality or quantity as compared to fans of other teams. Nor should it imply that just because you like/follow/whatever they call it in places the official team account that you are more likely to drown out non-official fan based sources for news, information, opinions and community.

d'Kong76 May 03 2014 12:20 PM Re: Cry For Help

That was deep, Steve-o.

Fman99 May 03 2014 07:39 PM Re: Cry For Help

SteveJRogers wrote: Ceetar wrote: Mets blogs are generally accepted to be much better and more prolific... I mention the blogs because one of the main reasons to like the Mets facebook page would be to follow the team. But with quality other sources, Mets fans might not be as likely to bother. Out of curiosity, in the vast wasteland of anyone with an internet email account can throw up a blog page, how can this actually be measured in any fashioned? Obviously you are not venturing into the depths of the Evil Empire's Internet Fan Community to see who promotes their sites, podcasts, and whatnot, on social media accounts, message boards and so on, so in general it is kind of hard to judge one fan community's blogosphere (and social media communities) when you are just active in only one team's fan community. And I mention the vast wasteland, because just like with Met blogs, just because the blog writer(s) or podcast hosts aren't harping about their stuff on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, Reddit, YouTube, Tout, Instagram, MySpace, Friendster, Pintrest, Foursquare or whatever social network(s) you think works best to promote your stuff, doesn't imply quality or quantity as compared to fans of other teams. Nor should it imply that just because you like/follow/whatever they call it in places the official team account that you are more likely to drown out non-official fan based sources for news, information, opinions and community. This made me want to start my own Mets-and-pornography based Pinterest page. If only they had not taken down the last four attempts of mine to do so.

Mets – Willets Point May 03 2014 07:41 PM Re: Cry For Help

Fman's first pin:

Edgy MD May 03 2014 07:51 PM Re: Cry For Help

Lunchbucket gave me some praise (I'm trying to figure out how ironically) for taking on FB dopes over the complete loss of perspective over this campaign, but it's not even the marketing department's biggest blunder of the last 12 months. How soon folks forget Cougargate.

d'Kong76 May 05 2014 04:39 PM Re: Cry For Help

Curtis emailed me! It's so exciting!!!

Ceetar May 06 2014 12:41 PM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket gave me some praise (I'm trying to figure out how ironically) for taking on FB dopes over the complete loss of perspective over this campaign, but it's not even the marketing department's biggest blunder of the last 12 months. How soon folks forget Cougargate. Still pissed they shut that down. That was cool.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 06 2014 12:53 PM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: Lunchbucket gave me some praise (I'm trying to figure out how ironically) for taking on FB dopes over the complete loss of perspective over this campaign, but it's not even the marketing department's biggest blunder of the last 12 months. How soon folks forget Cougargate. Well, it wasn't really ironic and it wasn't only this situation I was talking about. It's just that, I used to live for hammering Ms. Met but lost most of my interest in arguing with ignoramuses years ago so I'm surprised to see someone in the msg board game as long as me still going after it. So I admire that on the one hand but couldn't imagine doing it anymore. I might really go nuclear if I did. I don't even respond to no-account nonsense here. By the way, I wouldn't ever "like" a big corporate, money-hungry thing like the Mets on facebook, when all it gets you are commercials jamming up the timeline. So it's my fault 11222 shows up so badly.

batmagadanleadoff May 06 2014 01:19 PM Re: Cry For Help

"I'll betcha a Lear Jet that if Facebook took their poll today, we'd have gained back a coupl'a counties." [fimg=544]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1007686.1326862143!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/fred-wilpon-jeff-wilpon-bernie-madoff.jpg?enlarged[/fimg]

Benjamin Grimm May 06 2014 02:12 PM Re: Cry For Help

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I used to live for hammering Ms. Met I totally misinterpreted that the first time I read it.

d'Kong76 May 06 2014 02:35 PM Re: Cry For Help

"I'll betcha a Lear Jet that if Facebook took their poll today, we'd have gained back a coupl'a counties." [fimg=544]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1007686.1326862143!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/fred-wilpon-jeff-wilpon-bernie-madoff.jpg?enlarged[/fimg] Jeff: Leased plan time on a Lear jet, Pop ... but I know what you mean.

Edgy MD May 06 2014 02:39 PM Re: Cry For Help

Poor Jeff doesn't have a lanyard with an access badge.

Ceetar May 06 2014 02:46 PM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: Poor Jeff doesn't have a lanyard with an access badge. "Badge? You don't need to see my badge. DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM!?"

metirish May 08 2014 07:18 PM Re: Cry For Help

Darling brings the hammer to the Mets Ron Darling embarrassed by Mets' cringe-worthy 'True New Yorkers' campaign The former Mets pitcher and current SNY analyst said he did not do his due diligence when the Mets' marketing department asked to use his name and likeness on the campaign that has been roundly criticized by fans and media. MIAMI -- Ron Darling said he was blind-sided by the "True New Yorkers" marketing letter from the Mets that had his name on it. The former Mets pitcher said on WFAN that he did not do his due diligence when the marketing department asked to use his name and likeness on a campaign that has been roundly criticized by fans and media. The SNY analyst was one of 10 former Mets players to sign the asking fans to pledge their support as they head into the Subway Series. "It's on me. It's not on anyone else," Darling told the Joe and Evan Show. "I put my name on it. I put my likeness on it. I have to live with it." Darling added that the Mets need to reevaluate and work on their relationship with the team's loyal fans. "What is happened now - and I'm not saying it's rightfully so - but it seems like everything that comes out from the Mets is looked at poorly" said Darling, who admitted that spending and winning would help the relationship. "When you're looking at something where you feel like you're Charlie Brown and Lucy keeps taking the ball out, and you keep kicking because you're such die-hards, I just think that there has to be a re-evaluation of the disconnect and how to reconnect to how (fans) feel and what (the team) is trying to do," Darling said. "And I think that's an obvious thing." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... z31B2RQaC4

d'Kong76 May 08 2014 07:55 PM Re: Cry For Help

from Ron wrote: "When you're looking at something where you feel like you're Charlie Brown and Lucy keeps taking the ball out, and you keep kicking because you're such die-hards, I just think that there has to be a re-evaluation of the disconnect and how to reconnect to how (fans) feel and what (the team) is trying to do," Darling said. "And I think that's an obvious thing." Amen

Frayed Knot May 08 2014 09:09 PM Re: Cry For Help

That he never read much less approved of the text of that thing comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

d'Kong76 May 08 2014 09:14 PM Re: Cry For Help

I know, and it's in everyone's contracts I'm sure that they can do whatever they want with their names, etc.

Frayed Knot May 08 2014 09:20 PM Re: Cry For Help

Well it doesn't sound like the team used Darling's name without his OK so it's not like we can blame the team on this one (aside, y'know, from concocting the lame-ish letter in the first place). Ronnie just seems like he was lazy in giving his permission then regretted it afterward when the heat started pouring in and he realized what he put his signature to.

Mets – Willets Point May 09 2014 12:58 AM Re: Cry For Help

Darling probably thought it was a promotion to get people interested in a contest to win tickets to a game against the Yankees, because that's what it actually is. But then some wound-lickers decided that it was actually evidence of the failure of the Mets ownership or something.

d'Kong76 May 09 2014 04:53 AM Re: Cry For Help

One day, we'll all be as smart as Willet. Until then, I don't care what the function of the letters were ... lame is lame.

d'Kong76 May 09 2014 04:58 AM Re: Cry For Help

Never noticed how muscular Jeff is. His forearm in that picture looks like a loaf of braided bread for chrissakes.

Mets – Willets Point May 09 2014 07:54 AM Re: Cry For Help

d'Kong76 wrote: One day, we'll all be as smart as Willet. Until then, I don't care what the function of the letters were ... lame is lame. That's exactly what someone who isn't a True New Yorker would say.

d'Kong76 May 09 2014 07:59 AM Re: Cry For Help

Lol

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 09 2014 06:38 PM Re: Cry For Help

d'Kong76 wrote: Never noticed how muscular Jeff is. His forearm in that picture looks like a loaf of braided bread for chrissakes. One would expect nothing less from someone who spends so much time wanking and making the fingers-rubbed-together money gesture.

d'Kong76 May 09 2014 06:50 PM Re: Cry For Help

I can't even joke about that ... yuck

Edgy MD May 09 2014 06:57 PM Re: Cry For Help

[fimg=500:2piwemwi]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1027822!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/madoff24s-1-web.jpg[/fimg:2piwemwi] "Look at these pythons! Bam Bam Bigelow better watch out! I'M COMING FOR YOU, BABY! YOU WANT TO TAKE THE FOOD OFF MY TABLE?!! These arms will CRUSH YOU!! CRUSH YOU LIKE A PEANUT, BAM-BAM!!"

Mets – Willets Point May 10 2014 06:19 AM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: [fimg=500]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1027822!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/madoff24s-1-web.jpg[/fimg] Original Gangstas.

Edgy MD May 11 2014 07:50 PM Re: Cry For Help

Now that the most recent monkey is off the team's back, I have to say, I couldn't help linking their play this last week to "Real New Yorkers" hullabaloo, as little sense as it that might make.

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 11 2014 07:52 PM Re: Cry For Help

It was an embarrassing thing, it really was. The Mets don't need me to tell them I like them. Obviously they think I'm some kind of tool.

d'Kong76 May 11 2014 07:58 PM Re: Cry For Help

They gotta stop that stuff, they never learn.

Edgy MD May 12 2014 04:42 AM Re: Cry For Help

Yesterday I was asked to sign a Mother's Day card for Michelle Obama. I'm telling you, "' 'Sign' this stupid made-for-social-media thing which then gets launched from your account out to your friends" is absolutely the current wave of marketing.

Ceetar May 12 2014 07:25 AM Re: Cry For Help

Edgy MD wrote: Yesterday I was asked to sign a Mother's Day card for Michelle Obama. I'm telling you, "' 'Sign' this stupid made-for-social-media thing which then gets launched from your account out to your friends" is absolutely the current wave of marketing. Sure, but you didn't get in a contest for two tickets to the state of the union address or anything for that did you? I still don't get why a silly over-enthusiastic contest is getting so much coverage. Especially by media guys who are going to spend the next four days with their own interpretation of "real New Yorker/real New York Team" etc. I suspect the desire for more brand loyalty is formed out of companies increasing need to separate themselves from their competitors when they generally just blend in. Watch NBC or Fox? how about I DVR whatever and watch the best shows? Post or the Daily News? How about I just read the articles that interest me from each online? Toyota or Ford? How about I read reviews and focus on the features that _I_ prioritize and make an informed decision? Of course, companies seem not to reward loyalty anyway. My 'loyalty' rate for car insurance was still more than switching. Fios and Optimum give you gifts for signing up new, but nothing for sticking with them. Most of the cellphone companies discount the phone ($400+ off) if you re-commit to a new contract, but the 'loyalty' reward for Verizon is $50 for the primary phone on the account towards a new phone. I'm subjected to way more offensive marketing schemes on a daily basis and on SNY commercial breaks than a silly "please say you like us!" call to arms.

Mets – Willets Point May 12 2014 09:22 AM Re: Cry For Help

When are they going to notify me that I've won the tickets? I have flight or train reservations to make.

SteveJRogers May 12 2014 09:27 AM Re: Cry For Help

Ceetar wrote: I'm subjected to way more offensive marketing schemes on a daily basis and on SNY commercial breaks than a silly "please say you like us!" call to arms. Well in an odd way, it is pretty much expected out of anything trying to sell you products, even how and where you consume information. I think its the expectations of certain forms of entertainment and certain positions of authority (i.e. Michelle Obama tweeting #BringBackOurGirls) to be above, or evolved to a point where they don't need such unprofessional gimmicks and come ons that one would expect a minor league team to do, or something that is targeting a younger audience (i.e. I could see this being something a competitor to the WWE doing to try and cut into the WWE's teen-college aged audiences).

metirish May 12 2014 09:32 AM Re: Cry For Help

I get I would say several (3 or more) emails a day from the Mets, I don't unsubscribe as I have gotten some good ticket deals from them.