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Knicks suck / 2014-2015

d'Kong76 Apr 21 2014 08:37 AM

#?Knicks? president Phil Jackson announces the coaching staff has been relieved of its duties.

d'Kong76 Apr 21 2014 08:39 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

From Knicks site: “I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mike Woodson and his entire staff,” Jackson said. “The coaches and players on this team had an extremely difficult 2013-14 season, and blame should not be put on one individual. But the time has come for change throughout the franchise as we start the journey to assess and build this team for next season and beyond. “Everyone in this franchise owes a great deal of gratitude to what Mike and his staff have done. We wish him the best.” In parts of three seasons with the Knicks, Woodson compiled an overall record of 109-79 (.580) that included two consecutive NBA Playoff appearances and an Atlantic Division title – the team’s first in 19 years. On Mar. 19, 2014, he became just the seventh coach in franchise history to reach the century mark in victories. Initially named Knicks interim head coach with 24 games remaining in the 2011-12 season, Woodson completed his ninth season at the helm of an NBA franchise, posting a record of 315-365. The search for a new coaching staff will begin immediately.

Vic Sage Apr 22 2014 02:00 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

why would Steve Kerr want to take this job? MSG is a quagmire. The roster is locked up tighter than a drum... a big, expensive, badly constructed drum that isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The team is owned by a major asshole with control issues. Phil is his boss (which he may think is just grand), but is he a GM who can work miracles? I don't think Jackson can get any big-time FAs here (or even re-sign Melo) unless he agrees to coach too, so where would that leave Kerr? Caretaker of a bad team for 1 year, installing Phil's triangle offense, and getting bumped aside so Phil can take the reins and lure some big-time talent to the Garden? Particularly when there may be some GOOD teams who might fire their coaches if they get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round (Houston, OKC, GS, Indy), any of which would be better opportunities for Kerr than Phil's Phollies. I'm beginning to think Melo won't be re-signed. He may not be Phil's kind of player (whatever that is) and Phil may be looking to tank 2014-15; let all the bad Ks expire, get a good pick next year, and plan for 2015-16. In which case, one has to wonder why he fired Woodson? He could've just let him steer the Titanic 1 more year and then fire him. Now, he has to hire somebody to man the wheel short-term, until the ship is righted, and then take over once we're back on course. So who is going to be that sacrificial lamb? His buddy Kerr? I don't think he'll do that to him. Maybe somebody desperate to finally get a head coaching job no matter the circumstances, and to whom Phil owes no allegiance? Ladies and gentlemen, i introduce to you the next head coach of the NYKnicks.... PATRICK EWING! [DOH!]

d'Kong76 Apr 22 2014 06:20 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Seems to me that Kerr is better suited to be Vice President of Basketball Operations before coaching, but I guess we'll see.

Nymr83 Apr 22 2014 11:24 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Vic Sage wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, i introduce to you the next head coach of the NYKnicks.... PATRICK EWING! [DOH!] It all makes sense except for one thing: If Jackson needs a "fall guy" after tanking for a season or three, it won't be Ewing, because the Knicks fans will still see Ewing as The Man and Jackson as the evil Bull/Laker guy who did a bad job as GM giving Ewing talent to work with. The fall guy needs to have less ties to NY (and less loyalty from Knicks fans) than Phil has, not more. My guess is he goes with a re-tread coach desperate to get back into he league

Vic Sage Apr 24 2014 02:18 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Phil Jackson is already greasing the skids beneath Melo. He's put it out there that he expects Melo to give the Knicks a discount on a new deal. Jackson: "I'd like to appeal to his better nature about winning. That's the beginning of team play." And "you've got to have people making sacrifices financially. So we hope Carmelo is true to his word ... and we'll present that to him at that time." Here's the problem: the only thing the Knicks have to offer Melo over teams like Chicago or LA is that they can pay him $34M more. If he's asked (no, EXPECTED now) to take less, then they're diminishing their advantage and Melo will more seriously consider other places, where he may view the competitive situation to be better, or potentially better. Actually, that's only 1 problem. The other is that Uncle Phil has started negotiating in the media, putting it on Melo to accept less... and now if Melo doesn't, he isn't a "team player" or "true to his word" (i.e, he's a loser and a liar). Except `Melo never said he'd take less to stay (he only said he'd consider it; but i'm sure he'll consider everything), and he might not appreciate this tactic of setting him up to be demonized. The only thing this does is allow Phil and the Knicks to let Melo walk away without any recriminations, since it's all Melo's fault, and he doesn't really want to win, and he isn't a team guy, and wasn't true to his word. So if i'm Melo, i'm furious now. Which must've been PHil's intent, because he's the Zen Master and we're all just pawns in Phil's game. Get ready folks, we're in full "tank" mode for 2014-15.

Nymr83 Apr 24 2014 06:48 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Tanking without draft picks?

Vic Sage Apr 25 2014 11:03 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

The Knicks still have their 2015 1st round pick; they traded the 2nd round pick to Houston in Camby trade. And they have no picks in 2016 (1st rounder to Toronto for Barfnani, conditional 2nd r to Sac (protected for 1st 7 picks in 2nd R) so tanking this upcoming year could net them a lottery pick. It's the perfect time to tank, what with that pick and all the expiring contracts (chandler, Stats, Barfnani). In that scenario, Phil's best move is to not only let Melo walk but to escort him out of the building, so we don't even sniff the playoffs. Then to get a lottery pick to match with 2 max contracts, along with Hardaway. They'll still be stuck with Felton and Smith, but hopefully Phil will find takers for them. Prigs will still be an adequate low-cost backup. But unless Shump turns it around next year, his contract will expire, too. Murry and Aldrich are FAs this year, and Tyler and Brown after next year, but some of them might be re-signed as useful and cheap bench players in limited minutes.

Nymr83 Apr 25 2014 10:42 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

That's the closest thing I have heard to a PLAN since the summer of Lebron.

Vic Sage Apr 28 2014 11:14 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

SHOW US THE PLAN, PHIL!

Nymr83 Apr 28 2014 09:15 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Vic Sage wrote: SHOW US THE PLAN, PHIL! I meant your post was a plan. The Knicks dont have a plan.

Vic Sage Apr 29 2014 01:24 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Nymr83 wrote: Vic Sage wrote: SHOW US THE PLAN, PHIL! I meant your post was a plan. The Knicks dont have a plan. no, i got it. i was just using your post as inspiration to quote our old friend from our old forum, for whom that was a battle cry.

Nymr83 Apr 29 2014 01:39 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Vic Sage wrote: Vic Sage wrote: SHOW US THE PLAN, PHIL! I meant your post was a plan. The Knicks dont have a plan. no, i got it. i was just using your post as inspiration to quote our old friend from our old forum, for whom that was a battle cry. Forgot all about him.

d'Kong76 May 14 2014 06:38 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

According to some retweets, Kerr is off to Warriorland.

Nymr83 May 14 2014 09:23 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

d'Kong76 wrote: According to some retweets, Kerr is off to Warriorland. Jackson can't even get the coach he wants, his friend, to take Dolan's money. I wonder how that'll go with players

Vic Sage May 15 2014 01:56 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Time to get Mark Jackson.

d'Kong76 May 15 2014 04:13 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Nymr83 wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: According to some retweets, Kerr is off to Warriorland. Jackson can't even get the coach he wants, his friend, to take Dolan's money. I wonder how that'll go with players Well, it's been spun both ways. Jackson couldn't and Dolan wouldn't... Ride a painted pony, let the spinnin' wheel spin...

Ashie62 May 15 2014 06:09 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Mark Jackson? ughh

d'Kong76 May 15 2014 07:17 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Action Jackson

d'Kong76 May 16 2014 02:26 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Scottie Pippen? Seriously.

Ashie62 May 18 2014 06:34 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Would you prefer Rodman?

d'Kong76 May 18 2014 07:14 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Do we want to know how you connected those dots? Probably not.

d'Kong76 Jun 10 2014 05:47 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

A Veteran Becomes a Rookie Phil Jackson and the Knicks Hire Derek Fisher as Coach By SCOTT CACCIOLA JUNE 9, 2014 In his nearly three months as team president, Phil Jackson has made it very apparent — in word and deed — that he wants to rebuild the Knicks by relying on his own network of associates and alliances. He has gone so far as to underscore the importance of his “inner circle,” although it might make more sense to refer to his inner triangle. During a protracted coaching search that stretched from mid-April to mid-June, Jackson focused on two candidates with whom he had strong relationships. After a much-publicized whiff on his first candidate, Steve Kerr, Jackson on Monday finally connected with his second, hiring Derek Fisher to help steer the Knicks toward championship contention. How long that may take is hardly clear. Fisher, 39, has never been a coach and was just nine days removed from the end of his playing career when he accepted the Knicks’ offer to become the new man in charge on the sideline, according to a person briefed on the negotiations. The Knicks announced that they would make a “major announcement” at a news conference Tuesday morning at the team’s training center in Greenburgh, N.Y. See more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/sport ... .html?_r=0

Vic Sage Jun 10 2014 02:20 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

no reason to think Fisher would do any worse than Steve Kerr. I think there is a growing number of successful coaches who came into the job with no prior managerial experience. It ain't rocket science, particularly on the Knicks, where the prior coach ran an offense called "give the ball to Melo and clear out".

Frayed Knot Jun 10 2014 02:26 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Nice to see some entry level jobs paying so well these days.

Nymr83 Jun 25 2014 09:05 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Chandler and Felon to Dallas for Calderon and some other stuff.

Vic Sage Jun 26 2014 12:42 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

looks like Chandler and Felton to Dallas for: Dalembert (c), Calderon (pg), Shane Larkin (pg) [Barry's kid], and Wayne Ellington (sg) PLUS: 2 2nd-round picks in this year's draft (#34, #51) This is a good deal for the Knicks, IMO. They shed dead weight (and i mean a LOT of weight) in Felton and, lets face it, Chandler was dreadful last year. He probably has something left and he may well help Dallas, but he was a dog last season and i'm happy to see him go. Dalembert is a barely adequate backup C at this point (they may just cut him to save some money), but Calderon is a legit PG and can make a real difference for us this season. Also, the kid Larkin is a mighty mite, a 1st round pick last year that was hurt this past season but is incredibly talented, despite his diminutive size, and quite young. He could be a real player at some point. Ellington is 26, and if he works hard, he may one day soon be 27. But he can shoot, at least. And since we had no picks in this draft, 2 2nd rounders at least gives us something to work with, either to draft or trade. I don't know how this deal affects Melo. It may not. The deal saves us a little cash but not enough to get under the cap so we could sign a big FA (other than Melo), so we're not going to bring in a superstar to play with him this year. And if Phil continues his stance of "Melo has to take less than the max", Melo will be seriously looking at Chicago, maybe Cleveland, maybe Dallas, maybe even Miami (if LeBron leaves), or possibly with either LA team, possibly even teaming up with LeBron and Kobe. The Knicks only leverage, really, is their max deal, and if they aren't going to give it, then Melo may look for the best situation to win, and that may not be here. And Phil may be okay with that, because this deal with Dallas is more about rebuilding than winning now. Hopefully they use their new picks this year to get some defensive size on this roster; we only have guards signed past this season. If Anthony doesn't re-sign, the roster looks like this (with the player's last year in [brackets]; if no brackets, then player signed thru 2015): 1st - Calderon [17] / Smith [16] / Shumpert / Bargnani /Stoudemire 2nd - Prigioni [16] / Ellington / Hardaway [17] / Tyler / Dalembert Bench: Larkin [17] / Brown reserve: Odom, _____, _______ FA (2014): Anthony / Murry / Aldrich / Martin + 2 2nd round picks (2014) + 1 1st round pick (2015)

Vic Sage Jun 26 2014 12:52 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Big men ranked in the range of the 34th pick in this year's draft: #28: Jarnell Stokes / PF (Tennessee, Jr) 6-8, 260 #29: Jusuf Nurkic / C (Bosnia) 6-11, 280 #33: Walter Tavares / C (Cape Verde) 7-2, 265 #34: Mitch McGary / PF-C (Michigan, Soph) 6-10, 255 #41: Johnny O'Bryant / PF (LSU, Jr) 6-9, 256 #44: James McAdoo / PF (N.Carolina, Jr) 6-9, 230 Anybody know anything about any of these guys? Although, i'd be happy if we got Shabazz Napier, because my nephew works for UConn and he raves about the kid.

Nymr83 Jun 27 2014 08:11 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

We took Frederick Weiss part2!

Vic Sage Jun 27 2014 08:52 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 27 2014 09:15 AM

Knicks #34 pick: Cleanthony Early, SF (Wichita St, Senior) / 6-8, 219 (from Middletown, NY) http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Cle ... kdown-4461 Early was projected as a 1st round talent, so I guess we went for best available over positional need, which i am totally fine with in principle. And he's got a great name! But his projection may be inflated by the fact that he played in a weak conference and had a great NCAA tournament, so i'm not sure they did get value here. And from what i read about this guy, he's just a scorer... a 3-pt shooter who's also strong and athletic enough around the basket to finish, but without the ball-handling skills or court sense to create his own shot off the dribble, or the passing skills and vision to keep an offense flowing, and he doesn't play much D. While Early could certainly develop these other aspects of his game, he's not a young rookie (at age 23, Early isn't early), and may be as good as he's going to get, more or less. Which means he may just be a rotation player who comes in to hit a 3 once in a while, then sits down. I'm not excited. Knicks #51 pick: Thanasis Antetokounmpo, SF (Delaware, D-League) / 6’7”, 210 (Greece, Age 21) http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... nmpo-4382/ Knicks used this pick on a D-League player they could've signed without drafting; I guess they thought he'd get drafted by somebody and didn't want to lose out on him. Like Early, he's an athletic small forward, but this guy is more defense-oriented, and a slasher, not a shooter. Reportedly, he's got high energy but low BB IQ (the basketball equivalent of a labrador). With the Knicks using their 2 picks on SFs, when they still have JR Smith, Shumpert, Hardaway and Brown on the roster, and with Anthony out there as a FA, indicates that some of those guys may be moved and/or that they are seriously considering not re-signing Anthony. But size matters, and we don't have much. Yet here's what they did about the available bigs: These guys were picked before Knicks turn: [crossout]#29: Jusuf Nurkic / C (Bosnia) 6-11, 280[/crossout] #19 (Denver) [crossout]#34: Mitch McGary / PF-C (Michigan, Soph) 6-10, 255[/crossout] #21 (OKC) These guys were still available (going right after the Knicks pick at #34): #28: Jarnell Stokes / PF (Tennessee, Jr) 6-8, 260 (went #35, Memphis) #41: Johnny O'Bryant / PF (LSU, Jr) 6-9, 256 (went #36, Milwaukee) This guy went later: #33: Walter Tavares / C (Cape Verde) 7-2, 265 (Atlanta, #43) [i would've hoped we had taken a shot on him] This guy went undrafted: #44: James McAdoo / PF (N.Carolina, Jr) 6-9, 230 [-kid came out early and went undrafted; sucks for him -] But instead of drafting any of these guys, Knicks bought an additional pick, #57, from Indiana and got this guy: Knicks #57 pick: Louis Labeyrie, PF/C (France) 6-10, 210 http://www.nbadraft.net/players/louis-labeyrie Labeyrie is a skinny young French center who has played in European leagues for a few years. There isn't much info out there about his game. They may keep stashed in Europe for a while. Again, not exciting and unfortunately evocative of Fredric Weis. I don't think any of these guys will have much impact on the NBA, but whose to say at this juncture.

Vic Sage Jun 27 2014 09:02 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015 Edited 4 time(s), most recently on Jul 12 2014 08:02 AM

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d'Kong76 Jul 04 2014 08:02 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I dunno, not sure he's worth all the money and bother ... Interweb: The New York Knicks met with free agent Carmelo Anthony just hours after the coveted small forward held meetings with the Los Angeles Lakers and offered a contract that could further make him one of the highest-paid players in the NBA. With the Knicks in a better position to bid more money than any other team pursuing Anthony, they did just that by offering him a maximum contract worth $129 million over five years, according to ESPN's Chris Broussard and Ian Begley. Anthony reportedly did not give the Knicks an answer when the meeting concluded. The Knicks' offer comes after Anthony's two-and-a-half hour meeting with the Lakers where he was offered a four-year, $96.8-million proposal which is the most they and other teams can offer. Kobe Bryant was supposed to attend the Lakers' meeting with Anthony, but was unable to join because the time of the meeting was changed while he was en route back to Los Angeles from a European vacation. A meeting with Bryant later in the day was reported but Anthony, when asked by reporters about a possible discussion with the Lakers superstar, said "We'll see." The $129-million contract offered by the Knicks roughly breaks down to an annual average of $25.8-million, compared to the annual average of $24.2-million he could make with the Lakers. He wouldn't even be the highest-paid player on the Lakers if he accepted, as he made just over $9 million less than Bryant ($30,453,805) last year. Anthony made $21,388,953 last season with the Knicks. Anthony has now heard pitches from five teams interested in obtaining/retaining his services. He met with the Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks and Houston Rockets earlier in the week.

Vic Sage Jul 08 2014 11:10 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

what the hell is he waiting for? Either he wants to take more money to stay in NY, waiting at least a year for Knicks to have the ability to turn things around in the Easy East, or he wants to go play 2nd fiddle to a fading Kobe, for less money out in La La Land in the dominating West. Or he'll take a serious pay cut to play in Houston with Howard and Harden, but even that doesn't guarantee a "winner". Take the money, Melo.

HahnSolo Jul 08 2014 11:54 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Nymr83 wrote: Chandler and Felon to Dallas for Calderon and some other stuff. I see what you did there.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 11 2014 10:57 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Looks like LeBron's headed back to Cleveland. I didn't see this one coming.

Frayed Knot Jul 11 2014 01:48 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Looks like LeBron's headed back to Cleveland. I didn't see this one coming. If only there were somewhere you could have gone over the past two weeks to hear all the possibilities and ramifications discussed.

Ashie62 Jul 11 2014 06:55 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Ex- Knick Jeremy Lin will likely be a Laker very soon...

Vic Sage Jul 12 2014 08:04 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Knicks released Lamar Odom, making the following statement: "Unfortunately, Lamar was unable to uphold the standards to return as an NBA player," Jackson said. "We found it necessary to free up the roster spot." I guess the drug abuse hasn't stopped. Too bad. They used the roster spot to re-sign Aldrich, which is a good thing. The guy has some ability, and has size. Meanwhile, some are reporting that Anthony has decided to come back, while others say he's still considering the Bulls. Also, the Summer League is starting, in Vegas. ROSTER Current Knicks roster: Tim Hardaway Jr.(G/F, 6-6, 205) Shane Larkin (PG, 5-11 176) Jeremy Tyler (PF/C, 6-9, 250) Cole Aldrich (PF/C 6-11 245) Shannon Brown (SG, 6-4, 205) This year's draft picks: Cleanthony Early (F, 6-8, 219, Wichita State/NCAA) Thanasis Antetokounmpo (F, 6-7, 215, Delaware/D-League) Undrafted rookies: Langston Galloway (G, 6-2, 202, Saint Joseph’s/NCAA) Will Sheehey (SF, 6-7, 200, Indiana/NCAA) Jordan Vandenberg (C, 7-1, 245, North Carolina State/NCAA) D-League players: Zane Johnson (SG, 6-6, 210, Canton/D-League) Jordan Henriquez (C, 6-11, 250, Rio Grande/D-League) Foreign League players: Brandon Triche ( G, 6-4, 210, Trento/Italy) Cameron Moore (PF, 6-10, 230, Casserta/Italy) They're fielding a young roster, unburdened by older vets trying to catch on with an NBA team, which is a good thing. But Knick vet Shannon Brown may be playing to keep his roster spot. The 2nd round pick, Labayrie (the French center) is not there; presumably he'll stay in Europe for a while.

Vic Sage Jul 12 2014 09:35 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

1st game, an easy win over Dallas, 76-64. Knicks led after each quarter. http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/NYKDAL/gameinfo.html [u:2pejvx4k]game highlights:[/u:2pejvx4k] -Hardaway, as expected, dominated the game, scoring 25pts in 25min, on 15 shots [he's going to be a key player this season]; -Aldrich, the FA PF/C they just re-signed, played 30m and got 15 reb with 3 blocks, and tossed in 9 pts for good measure [useful depth at the 4 & 5]; -Shane Larkin, the 2nd year PG from Dallas, filled up the stat sheet with 10pts (9shots), 5re3b, 5ass, 4 stl [if he stays healthy, could be a sleeper]; -Cleanthony Early, rookie SF, hit 3-4 on 3pt shots, scoring 13pts (10 shots), and going up for a monster jam over 2 guys [but i don't know about him yet; i fear he may be 1-dimensional]; -Antetokounmpo, the other rookie, is a defensive guy, but didn't do much on offense and committed 7 fouls; [he better learn NBA-style defense or he has no value]; and speaking of fouls... -Tyler had 5 fouls in 13min, but chipped in 6pts and 3reb [he could be a valuable 2-way big man, but he's only useful if he can stay out of foul trouble] Cameron Moore (Alabama-Birmingham) started at Center but didn't do much, and neither did Shannon Brown, nor non-roster guys Henriquez, Galloway and Sheehey who all played limited minutes. The other non-rosters didn't play: Vandenberg (big guy from NCState), D-league G Zane Johnson and Italian league G Brandon Triche.

Ashie62 Jul 12 2014 03:58 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Vic Sage wrote: what the hell is he waiting for? Either he wants to take more money to stay in NY, waiting at least a year for Knicks to have the ability to turn things around in the Easy East, or he wants to go play 2nd fiddle to a fading Kobe, for less money out in La La Land in the dominating West. Or he'll take a serious pay cut to play in Houston with Howard and Harden, but even that doesn't guarantee a "winner". Take the money, Melo. Bulls?

Vic Sage Jul 16 2014 10:07 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

So Melo signs for a soupcon less than the max, a "home town discount" that drops his average annual salary from nearly $26m/5yrs to nearly $25m/5yrs (with a player option after 4, + no trade clause). Since that $1m/yr difference will have almost no impact on the team's overall cap situation, it seems more a symbolic gesture to say "see, i said i'd take less to help the team", and Phil willing to give Melo that claim. Whatever. He's back. And they have also signed Jason Smith, a backup PF/C who can rebound, block shots and hit an outside jumper now and then. But he's coming off Knee surgery in January, and has a history of injuries. Still, if healthy he can be useful depth, pushing Aldrich back to the reserve pool. [u:hm8oi3om]Depth chart:[/u:hm8oi3om] PG: Calderon, Prigioni, Larkin SG: JRSmith, Shumpert, Hardaway, Ellington, Brown SF: Melo, JRSmith, Shumpert, Hardaway, Early (r), Antetokounmpo (r) PF: Stats, Melo, Barfnani, J.Smith, Aldrich, Tyler, Labeyrie (r) C: Dalembert, Stats, Barfnani, J.Smith, Aldrich, Tyler They're going to have to cut some folks or make some trades, to make room for their draft picks this year. I'm guessing Brown and/or Ellington are goners, since they just re-signed Aldrich and they'll probably want to see Larkin get some minutes once in a while, maybe in a 2-PG offense with Prigioni off the bench. But I'd hate to lose Tyler; he's a big man with talent, despite being foul-prone. Brown is awful and Ellington has no role and no upside. I'd love to be rid of Barfnani, but i don't see that happening. They'll probably leave the big Frenchman, Labeyrie, over there for a while. But i do hope they'll re-sign Murry as a combo guard, for depth. he can play PG, and he plays D. [u:hm8oi3om]projected rotation:[/u:hm8oi3om] 1st - Calderon / JR.Smith / Anthony / Stats / Dalembert 2nd - Prigioni / Shumpert / Hardaway / Barfnani / J.Smith Bench: Larkin, Aldrich reserve: Tyler, Ellington, Brown draft picks: Early, Antetokounmpo, Labeyrie FAs: Murry, Martin

Vic Sage Jul 17 2014 09:26 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Knicks summer league: Knicks went 3-0 in the summer league, and the playoff tourney starts tonight. Hardaway has looked great (averaged 20pts, became a vocal team leader, also looks bigger and stronger), and Tyler and Aldrich showed good stuff too, as did newcomer PG Larkin. Also showing pro potential was draft pick Cleanthony Early, at least as a shooter. the D-league rookie, "Tenacious" Antetokuampo has shown great defensive energy, and has become a team favorite, but he's averaging 7 fouls per 17min and has no offensive game, so he'll likely end up back in the D-League or in Europe. The only non-roster invitee to make any impact was Langston Galloway, the little PG out of St. Josephs, who showed a little something slashing to the basket. I doubt he'll make the roster, but they may want to put him on a D-league team.

Vic Sage Jul 18 2014 09:32 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Knicks beat the D-League All-stars in the 1st round of summer league playoffs. After falling behind early, they came back in the 2ndQ, then blew by them in the 3rd. Hardaway dominated again, with 25pts; he looks like he can be an impact player this year. And Larkin filled the stat sheet, with 14 pts (including a couple of 3s), 5 steals and 5 assists. Early got hurt (literally fell on his face), but came back after getting stitched up and played OK. They play Charlotte in the quarterfinals tomorrow.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2014 08:05 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Knicks lost to Charlotte and are done now. So is Shannon Brown, who was just released by the Knicks. He did nothing much in the summer league, and they had to make room for the new draft picks. Also, they had to cut him by the end of July or his contract would be guaranteed. While he was a veteran familiar with Jackson's triangle offense (having played for Phil and with Fisher), he just didn't bring enough to the court to warrant keeping him around. Tim Hardaway was the summer standout. I think they're looking to move either Shumpert or JR and give more minutes to TH.Jr this year.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2014 08:13 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

projected rotation: 1st - Calderon / JR / Anthony /Barfnani / Dalembert 2nd - Prigioni / Shumpert / Hardaway /Stats / J.Smith Bench: Larkin, Aldrich reserve: Tyler, Early, Ellington Overseas/D-League: Antetokounmpo, Labeyrie FAs: Murry, Martin

Vic Sage Aug 07 2014 10:35 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015 Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Nov 03 2014 08:04 AM

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d'Kong76 Oct 29 2014 05:35 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

CPF R&R Enshrinement Gal to sing National Anthem to- night at the home opener. Should be interesting.

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2014 06:45 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

How 'bout, it was splendidly awful? [youtube:1aqqrf2m]DudYU6Hb65c[/youtube:1aqqrf2m]

MFS62 Oct 30 2014 07:51 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

They are putting in the Triangle Offense. Their success will depend on if 'Melo can count to three. How confident are you with that? Later

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2014 08:08 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

If the resident Nets' fan wants to find some 'melofaults, you can do better than claiming he's ignant.

A Boy Named Seo Oct 30 2014 01:45 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I don't know if this was in a TV thread, but was Melo the tall gangster on SOA Tuesday night?? If so, slightly better performance than vs. the Bulls last night...

MFS62 Oct 30 2014 02:08 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

d'Kong76 wrote: If the resident Nets' fan wants to find some 'melofaults, you can do better than claiming he's ignant. Oh, you mean the local team that made the playoffs last year? And I didn't gloat here then. Ignant? No, just on a basketball court. The offense involves ball movement with three options (hence the name "triangle"). But even the biggest fans of that team have criticized his unwillingness to pass. I don't know how smart he is off the court. Later

A Boy Named Seo Oct 30 2014 02:48 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I don't know if this was in a TV thread, but was Melo the tall gangster on SOA Tuesday night?? If so, slightly better performance than vs. the Bulls last night... Melo/Gangster = true, btw. https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/here-s-carmelo-anthony-as-a-quiet--creepy--knife-handling-henchman-on-fx-s--sons-of-anarchy---video-164029248.html

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2014 03:13 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Their success will depend on if 'Melo can count to three. [fimg=200]http://bubblechild.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/does-not-equal.gif[/fimg] Oh, you mean the local team that made the playoffs last year? And I didn't gloat here then. Ignant? No, just on a basketball court. The offense involves ball movement with three options (hence the name "triangle"). But even the biggest fans of that team have criticized his unwillingness to pass. I don't know how smart he is off the court.

MFS62 Oct 30 2014 04:04 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Three sides to a triangle. Three passing/ shooting options in that offense. When it comes to passing, Melo has historically had problems counting to one pass. Meantime, my team has its own problems this year, the most obvious being lack of rebounding and the ages and injury histories of key players. Time will tell. Later

d'Kong76 Oct 30 2014 04:07 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Uh, I was responding to you saying he couldn't count to three. Never mind.

d'Kong76 Oct 31 2014 06:30 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

“There’s no place like home,” James said as the Humongotron spewed flames that licked the rafters. [fimg=425]http://www.kcmets.com/CPF/james.jpg[/fimg] I'll take, "one of the biggest sporting events ever!” for one thousand please, Alex.

Vic Sage Nov 03 2014 08:05 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

That was the kind of game we would have lost last season. Close, down the stretch, and we find a way to win. Fisher used Melo judiciously, giving him some rest to start the 4th Q, so he had his legs at the end when he made some key plays... rebounding, D and shooting. Amare looked really strong, Prigs was a tough veteran presence with the ball, Shump made some big contributions, Acy and Dalembert provided D up front, Larkin showed the talent in his bloodlines, Aldrich and Jason Smith lengthened the bench and JR... well, he's still JR, for good and ill. I'd like to see Hardaway get more of JR's minutes, but i guess Fisher is trying to make a point about accountability on defense, which is fine for now. I'm glad to see Aldrich get some run; he looks like a clod but he can play. And Acy's effectiveness has surprised me. But he should never take another 3...his range is about 6 inches. I have to say, that first game wipeout in Chicago made me fear the worst, but beating LeBron's Cavs and then the Hornets the way we did, with everybody contributing, everybody playing D (more or less), and finding a way to win at the end, makes me hopeful for a middle seed this season. [u:3srsct1x]current rotation:[/u:3srsct1x] 1st - Larkin / Shumpert / Anthony / Acy / Dalembert 2nd - Prigioni / JR / Hardaway /J.Smith / Stat Bench: Aldrich, Early, Wear Injured reserve:Calderon, Bargnani

d'Kong76 Nov 12 2014 08:07 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Six in a row!

Vic Sage Nov 13 2014 08:43 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I have to say, that first game wipeout in Chicago made me fear the worst, but beating LeBron's Cavs and then the Hornets the way we did, with everybody contributing, everybody playing D (more or less), and finding a way to win at the end, makes me hopeful for a middle seed this season. HAH! what an idiot...

Nymr83 Nov 13 2014 09:40 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Maybe they look respectable when Calderon gets back?

Vic Sage Nov 14 2014 11:31 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Nymr83 wrote: Maybe they look respectable when Calderon gets back? I do think that when they've integrated Calderon's game, and get more experience with the "triangle", they'll look better than they do right now. Of course, they couldn't look much worse.

d'Kong76 Nov 14 2014 08:17 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I'm gonna have to start DVR'ng these.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 14 2014 08:21 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Why would you subject your poor recorder to this?

metirish Nov 14 2014 10:41 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Went to St. John's season/home opener tonight , tough defence on display , great to watch . I try and tune into Knicks games but already I am tuning out .....

Vic Sage Nov 17 2014 12:22 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

A win, finally. JR decided to play for a change.

batmagadanleadoff Dec 23 2014 11:24 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

The future is not now. Or tomorrow. Nate Silver at 538.com calculates each NBA team's chance of winning the title in the next five years. The teams that are the least likeliest to do so: Lakers, Knicks, T-Wolves, 76ers. excerpt: I can see Madison Square Garden from my Manhattan apartment. This year, the arena installed LED lights along the exterior columns of the building — blue, red and white for New York Rangers games; orange and blue for New York Knicks games. They outshine everything else along a drab stretch of Eighth Avenue. When the Knicks colors shine, I’m reminded that there’s a dreadful basketball team playing a few blocks from me. The Knicks are 5-22 on the year, on pace for their worst season in the not-exactly-glorious history of the franchise. But unlike a lot of bad teams, the Knicks are not yet in rebuilding mode. Their only players to have performed at an above-average level so far this season1 are 30-year-old Carmelo Anthony, 32-year-old Amar’e Stoudemire and 37-year-old Pablo Prigioni. They have a few (not many) good players and a few (not many) young players, but there’s almost no overlap on the Venn diagram. Just how dire is the Knicks’ situation? Are they worse off than the Los Angeles Lakers? Than the Philadelphia 76ers, who very much are in rebuilding mode and are 2-22? Let’s take a longer view. What are the chances any of these franchises will field a championship-caliber team over the next five seasons....

Vic Sage Jan 06 2015 09:02 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

New York Knicks trade JR Smith and Iman Shumpert to acquire Lance Thomas, Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk, 2019 second-round pick, $5.9 million trade exception, $2.6 million trade exception. They waived Dalembert, too. So Phil is in full dump mode, paying Cleveland to take JR off their hands by giving them Shumpert, too. They pick up veteran big man Lou Amundson (who'll undoubtedly be waived) and undrafted youngsters center Alex Kirk and swingman Lance Thomas, and get to clear the salaries of Smith, Shumpert (and Dalembert) but all the Knicks really get back is more cap room going into next season, and a 2nd round pick in 2019. I guess they held onto Shump too long. It wasn't so long ago they were talking about him in packages for real players. But his ongoing injury history has continued, and his once explosive game had aged quickly. Where he once slashed effectively to the basket, he now relies on jump shots he can't make; on defense, his diminished quickness makes him less effective one-on-one, so he gambles more for steals, and is beaten by his guy too often to be the "good defender" he is still thought to be. Still, i'm sorry to see him go for nothing, but he was the price we paid to dump JR. And JR? I'll drive him to the airport. As the white flag has now gone up, `Melo should get whatever surgery his knee requires immediately, so he's fully ready for next season because, not only is there no point for him to risk further damage playing for this disastrous team, any wins the Knicks get now only hurt their draft position. As for the rotation for the rest of this season, bring up a few of their D-leaguers, like Langston Galloway and Thanasis Antetokounmpo, cut Bargnani, and play all the kids on the roster. Larkin / Hardaway / Early / Acy / Aldrich Galloway / Thomas / Wear / Antetokounmpo / Kirk Bench: Calderon, J.Smith, Prigioni DL: Stats, Melo Cut: Bargnani

Edgy MD Jan 06 2015 10:06 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I love that trade.

Vic Sage Jan 06 2015 10:44 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

with regard to JR, addition by subtraction, yeah. and i don't think shump is ever going to be the guy they hoped, whether due to chronic debilitating injuries or his inability to hit jump shots with any consistency. still, i would have hoped they turned him into something more than a 2nd round pick 4 years from now.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 06 2015 11:16 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

And, conversely, taking JR is the price for the Cavs' getting Shump. You have to clean house before you can redecorate, right?

Vic Sage Jan 06 2015 11:52 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

except JR could be of real use to them; the Cavs are in total "win now" mode, and JR is a bigger, stronger,tougher version of Dion Waiters, when he feels like playing. It shouldn't have had to cost us Shump to dump him. But i guess it did.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jan 06 2015 12:10 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

"When he feels like playing" being the operative phrase.

Vic Sage Jan 06 2015 03:49 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

i think "LeBron James" and "contending team" are also key phrases in that regard, as proven by this former "6th man of the year".

Frayed Knot Jan 22 2015 07:09 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

This two wins in the same week explosion threatens to screw up a very quirky confluence between suck and statistical oddity that the Knicks have going on here. I haven't independently confirmed myself, but someone pointed out the other day that NYK losses have squared their wins at each possible point this season. IOW, six games into the season they were 2-4, after 12 games were 3-9, then hit points where they were 4-16, then 5-25, and, prior to yesterday's win vs Philly (which probably shouldn't count anyway), 6-36. Now, with their seventh win already under their belts, they've put themselves in a position where they have to lose 13 straight in order to keep this 'streak' going. I think they can do it!! - at which point it's only a matter of time until 8-64 and then it's a ten-game sprint to see if they can notch those 9th & 10th wins to keep from turning in the worst NBA seasons EVAH!!!

Vic Sage Jan 22 2015 08:17 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

By winning the "Tank Bowl" against the 6ers, they have, of course, lost it. Unlike football, however, tanking has a chance to not help very much as the top pick doesn't necessarily go to the worst record. As long as they stay in the bottom 3, they still have a shot at the #1 pick.

Nymr83 Jan 22 2015 08:25 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

its 25% to pick 1st with the worst record, 20% with the 2nd worst record but it all doesn't matter if the envelope is frozen

d'Kong76 Feb 11 2015 07:57 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

http://www.knicks4sale.com/ The Wall of Shame page is hard to re-live.

Nymr83 Feb 11 2015 10:47 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

thats from the same guys behind the "Fire Idzik" bill boards, i hope they got 2 for 2 here but this is a much taller mountain to climb

Vic Sage Feb 11 2015 11:28 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

yeah, it's one thing to have some small influence on an owner to encourage him to fire a gm or coach, quite another to get an owner to fire himself.

Edgy MD Feb 11 2015 08:22 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Mase, fighting for his life following a heart attack.

Nymr83 Feb 11 2015 09:40 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Just read that, terrible news. get well Mason! at 48 years old he'd probably still be better than the current knicks

TheOldMole Feb 15 2015 04:01 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

The Communications Workers of America organized Dolan’s Cablevision workers. The workers voted to join a union, which is a fundamental American right. Except not really. Dolan hangs out baseline at the Garden and slaps palms with his wealthy unionized athletes. In the low-rent precincts of his empire, where broad-shouldered men and women climb poles and crawl through basements, he prefers nonunionized sorts. His officials labored to break the union. Last year, a judge with the National Labor Relations Board ruled that Cablevision officials had threatened to reduce workers’ benefits and deny training if they unionized. The company unlawfully fired 22 technicians in Brooklyn who supported the union. This struggle appears to have a happy ending. On Friday, the union announced, after more than three years, it had reached a tentative contract settlement with Cablevision. The fate of a union leader, fired for challenging management, remains uncertain. The union declined to comment.

d'Kong76 Feb 16 2015 11:30 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Stat no longer a Knickerbocker... http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ree-buyout

d'Kong76 Feb 17 2015 10:05 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

NY NY what a beautiful city A place where you can hang out with Anna, JayZ & Diddy Its a place absent of excuses and patience If your smart, you can meet leaders of every nation NY NY big city of dreams Everything in NY isnt always what it seems In the land where the jungle is concrete The money flows Dow Jones and Wall Street Home of #STATcity and the #Knickstape Orginator, Shalom to all my fans, Salute to all my haters. Peace and Love Amar’e Carsares Stoudemire Sr.

Vic Sage Feb 17 2015 12:43 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Stats' contract was a disaster, and his injuries greatly reduced his impact over the last few years, but i must admit to my affection and respect for Amare. It wasn't his fault that we gave him a huge contract to be a consolation prize for LeBron, even though his physical condition rendered him uninsurable. And when he was on the court, he invariably played hard and (more often than not) well. I hope he wins with Dallas.

Edgy MD Feb 17 2015 12:50 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

His real future is in poetry.

Ashie62 Feb 18 2015 12:28 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Phil Jackson must be lovin life. I believe the Knicks are worse that the Sixers.

Nymr83 Feb 18 2015 07:17 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I'm sure Phil is actually thrilled that he got to blow up the mess sooner than expected and can now begin building the roster his way.

d'Kong76 Feb 18 2015 07:45 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Absolutely!

Ashie62 Feb 19 2015 12:21 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Nymr83 wrote: I'm sure Phil is actually thrilled that he got to blow up the mess sooner than expected and can now begin building the roster his way. He'd be coaching the Lakers if not for the Buss kid.

Nymr83 Feb 20 2015 07:15 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

From an ESPN article evaluating NBA trades... For all the craziness that went down prior to the trade deadline, the biggest surprise to me is that the Knicks did not get under the luxury-tax line. Instead, by trading a player making $1.7 million for one making $3.3 million, they actually added to their tax bill. Factoring in the difference in remaining salary, the Knicks spent about $3 million to pick up a pair of future second-round picks, which is on the expensive side but not abnormally so. The real cost will come down the line. Dodging the tax this year might have kept New York out of the repeater tax an extra year down the road, which would mean millions more in savings. Of course, it's not my money, and if Jim Dolan is comfortable paying the tax for a couple of second-round picks, that's his right. The Knicks also did add a marginal amount of cap space this summer, since Prigioni's contract included $290,000 guaranteed salary for the 2015-16 season. For all the negativity surrounding Dolan (and justifiably so), you can at least say that he wont let money get in the way of trying to even marginally improve the team. if only the Wilpons felt that way.

Nymr83 Apr 14 2015 07:31 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Knicks win last night to jeopardize their draft position with only 1 game left to play. fucking knicks!!

d'Kong76 Apr 14 2015 09:04 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Knicks gonna Knicks "I'm sure people are upset with us tonight," Knicks coach Derek Fisher said after the game, "but I don't think you can ever go out there and basically try and not play your best."

Vic Sage Apr 14 2015 12:51 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

they can't even suck properly

Frayed Knot Apr 14 2015 12:56 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Doesn't being the suckiest team to ever suck only marginally increase the odds of landing the #1 overall draft pick over just merely sucking the big suck? I mean I understand the logic behind tanking and all (although why anyone actually pays money to attend a game of a team who has all but admitted to tanking escapes me) but it's not like uber-tanking guarantees you anything.

d'Kong76 Apr 14 2015 12:59 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Frayed Knot wrote: Doesn't being the suckiest team to ever suck only marginally increase the odds of landing the #1 overall draft pick Yeah, but it's fun to kvetch sometimes.

Nymr83 Apr 14 2015 02:50 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Being the suckiest of all suckers does gaurantee you a pick no lower than 4th however. If you are the 3rd suckiest you can fall as far as 6th.

Vic Sage Apr 16 2015 02:14 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

So they lose the "suck off", coming in 2nd suckiest, behind Minny. which means they could end up with the 5th pick in a 4-man draft. Sure hope that the "winning streak" over Orlando and Atlanta the last week of the season was worth it. And by "I hope it was", i mean it wasn't at all.

d'Kong76 May 19 2015 07:48 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Everyone sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for this, here it is... https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/stat ... 89/photo/1

Nymr83 May 19 2015 09:13 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Well, that sucks.

MFS62 May 19 2015 09:17 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

An honest NBA draft? What is this world coming to? Later

Edgy MD May 20 2015 06:25 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

A lot of WAAAH! this morning. Oh, we sucked for nothing! Put your faith in basketball, not draft lotteries.

Frayed Knot May 20 2015 06:37 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Edgy MD wrote: Put your faith in basketball, not draft lotteries. They would, except that they're Knicks fans. Heard a stat this morning that only 2 #1 overall picks from the (30 years?) of the 'Lottery Era' won championships for the team that originally drafted them - and they did it together: David Robinson & Tim Duncan, drafted 10 years apart by the Spurs. Others did get to finals (ex. Iverson - Sixers), others won but not w/their original team (Shaq), and others are still active so could crack this club (even this year) like Kyrie Irving and LeBron (although for him it's his second time around with his original team, so score that however you want).

d'Kong76 May 20 2015 07:14 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

They may very well trade the pick anyways, but at least the number two would have been nice. The whole process is so freakin' silly... (unless it's rigged and you get a Patrick Ewing out of it)

Nymr83 May 20 2015 09:04 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

WHO FORGOT TO FREEZE THE PING PONG BALLS?? HEADS WILL ROLL!!

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2015 10:10 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Put your faith in basketball, not draft lotteries. They would, except that they're Knicks fans. Heard a stat this morning that only 2 #1 overall picks from the (30 years?) of the 'Lottery Era' won championships for the team that originally drafted them.... I wonder how many "top three or four" overall picks won NBA titles, and how many times? If the point of that person you heard quote that stat is to show that high NBA draft position is insignificant, it's an extremely silly point to make. I stopped following the Knicks closely years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks getting the 4th pick isn't the best thing that happened to the franchise in all those years.

Frayed Knot May 20 2015 10:29 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Well, let's see now ... maybe the point is that -- even in basketball where the incoming players are supposedly known quantities because of the popularity of college basketball and where star players skew younger than in other sports and therefore are expected to make the biggest splash in the shortest amount of time -- that getting the #1 overall isn't always the guaranteed golden ticket to Willie Wonka's factory. I have no idea how someone would interpret that to mean that high draft picks are insignificant.

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2015 10:40 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Frayed Knot wrote: Well, let's see now ... maybe the point is that -- even in basketball where the incoming players are supposedly known quantities because of the popularity of college basketball and where star players skew younger than in other sports and therefore are expected to make the biggest splash in the shortest amount of time -- that getting the #1 overall isn't always the guaranteed golden ticket to Willie Wonka's factory. I have no idea how someone would interpret that to mean that high draft picks are insignificant. I dunno. Maybe because if he thinks the 1st pick ain't all it's cracked up to be, then he thinks the 2d or 3d picks ain't ain't all they're cracked up to be, either. There's one interpretation. Want some more? 'Cause I can up with more. Is he knocking the first pick, because maybe he thinks that picking, say, seventh or eighth, is better than picking first. 'Cause I've read some so called pundits spout something along those lines, as well.

HahnSolo May 20 2015 12:05 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

I went back through the last 20 years of the NBA draft and looked at the #2 and #3 picks from each draft. My unscientific (ie likely wrong) results: since 1995 three players drafted either 2 or 3 went on to win an NBA championship. Two of those were players who did it with a team other than the one that drafted him: Chauncey Billups and Pau Gasol. One did it with the team that drafted him: Darko Milicic, with the Pistons.

batmagadanleadoff May 20 2015 02:36 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

It's a dumb, pointless quote. The #1 overall pick is, beyond naturally, the most coveted pick in the draft. To state that not all draft picks pan out is a revelation only to an elementary school aged fan, and not worth repeating, quoting or posting. Also, some teams make bad choices. Flop? Or inept scouting? To minimize that #1 pick based on the number of NBA titles #1's played on misses the point colossally, mainly because NBA teams are built through the draft more than through any other mechanism, and because, for the most part*, it takes a lot more than one star to win a title in the NBA. Even Michael Fucking Jordan's Bulls weren't Michael Fucking Jordan's Bulls until they acquired Scottie Pippen. *"Beyond naturally","for the most part", yada yada yada. I have to stick in all these furshlugginer qualifiers because someone will find an NBA team that won the crown with just one star, and take pleasure in posting that info as a response, as if that would change anything. Probably.

Ashie62 May 20 2015 03:45 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Yinka Dare dammit!

Vic Sage May 21 2015 08:55 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Is it possible the 4th pick will end up having a better career than the 2nd or 1st? of course. Scouting is more art than science, and shit happens. And nothing is guaranteed. And there are more things on heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy... yyybbb. But this is really just a BS rationalization for the fact that the ONLY deviation in the lottery from the draft order this year was the Lakers flip-flopping picks with NY, with the Knicks dropping from 2nd to 4th. The fact is, the team with the most losses got the top pick. And that would've been us, but for a bad "good" final weekend, where the Knicks won 2 out of 3. So the lesson here isn't that this is karmic payback for tanking; after all, Minny and LA and Philly tanked, too, yet they received no metaphysical backlash. The Knicks just didn't tank WELL enough. Because they don't do anything well enough, and haven't since 1972. Will they get a good player at 4? Yes, probably. But it won't be a center, of which they have literally none. And they may NOT get a good player at 4, because i think it's likely that they'll trade down a bit and try to pick up a #1 for next year as well (of which they have none). Denver is picking at 7, and they have our #1 for next season. Maybe they give it back to us to swap picks, if there is somebody there at 4 that they're desperate to have. then we can still end up with a porzingis, winslow, Cauley-Stein and also have a #1 next year. Is that better than Mudiay this year? probably.

Edgy MD May 21 2015 02:38 PM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Which one of you assholes rationalized?

Vic Sage May 22 2015 09:10 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

talk radio assholes.

Vic Sage May 28 2015 08:20 AM Re: Knicks suck / 2014-2015

Cleveland = JR Smith Shumpert Mozgov Go [crossout:vw1ludch]Knicks,[/crossout:vw1ludch] um, Cavs!