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I.G.T 5/16 Mets at Nationals Niese v Roark

Ashie62
May 16 2014 10:03 AM

Divisional opponent....

We need this series and cannot afford to go 5,6,7 under with this offense....

David Wright..step up...

Duda...step up..

C Young...step up...

OK... Now go win!!!

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 10:10 AM
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Got to be a lot of pressure on Terry to commit --- commit to his outfield, commit to his bullpen favorites. This will be a narrative of the series.

Just around the corner is a new conflict --- whether to stick with deGrom in deRotation, or to push him to the dePen as dePlanned.

The team is mutating RIGHT NOW and there's got to be a lot of internal squabbling about which way it's gonna go.

Ceetar
May 16 2014 10:29 AM
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The Mets need 22 wins to get to 41 on the season and 4000 as a franchise. Let's get back on track.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 10:35 AM
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This is the guy that pronounces it "ROW-ark," right?

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 10:59 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
This is the guy that pronounces it "ROW-ark," right?

Rye-ight

Ceetar
May 16 2014 11:10 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
This is the guy that pronounces it "ROW-ark," right?

descended from the guys Noah used to get his ark to go.

TransMonk
May 16 2014 11:11 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Got to be a lot of pressure on Terry to commit --- commit to his outfield, commit to his bullpen favorites. This will be a narrative of the series.

Just around the corner is a new conflict --- whether to stick with deGrom in deRotation, or to push him to the dePen as dePlanned.

The team is mutating RIGHT NOW and there's got to be a lot of internal squabbling about which way it's gonna go.

Agreed. This is Terry's time to shine..or not shine.

In the past he may have had the excuse of not having options. Now he has the options (maybe none ideal, but options) and we'll see if he can make the best of them.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2014 11:48 AM
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TransMonk wrote:
Edgy MD wrote:
Got to be a lot of pressure on Terry to commit --- commit to his outfield, commit to his bullpen favorites. This will be a narrative of the series.

Just around the corner is a new conflict --- whether to stick with deGrom in deRotation, or to push him to the dePen as dePlanned.

The team is mutating RIGHT NOW and there's got to be a lot of internal squabbling about which way it's gonna go.

Agreed. This is Terry's time to shine..or not shine.

In the past he may have had the excuse of not having options. Now he has the options (maybe none ideal, but options) and we'll see if he can make the best of them.

I hate hate hate that he bailed on the Flores thing so fast. Hate it! Sure Tejada gave us a few good at-bats with his reprieve, but we've known for years that Tejada was capable of giving us a few good at-bats. I think this team need to evolve and not mutate, necessarily.

That said I am OK sticking with C Young for another ~75-100 plate appearances (he has 99 now). He obviously needs to show more than he has so far, but the potential is there with this guy, and I see why they're doing it. We need guys who can do what he (potentially) does. Obviously, Grandy gets an even bigger runway to success but he's actually been getting there, as we know. Also, more trips than CY so far.

I am almost as wishywashy as Terry has been on EYoung. He makes good things happen but not often enough. I way prefer a team that has Lagares out there in CF every day but he's not going to hit like Grandy or CYoung when they're going well, and he's not the spark EYoung is.

Not to repeat myself for the millionth time, but if we could somehow solve the Shortstop Problem AND the Leadoff Problem together this team might really take off. (cough cough.... Gregorious! .... 290/387/445 in AAA ... ahem). Then we could trade EYoung or use him to pinch-run.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 12:05 PM
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I like four man outfields, but I think this one isn't working for whatever reason. Terry seems confused about it.

I like Young and I hate trades. Hate 'em like they made my undies wet with salt water. But I think if they're going to trade E-Why, they ought to do it ASAP. The guy has a ton of burning, burning desire, and he seems to stew when he's on the bench. His skills are also pretty poorly designed for a bench player. He's a defensive downgrade with almost no pop and modest OBP ability. If he's not starting, he's a pinch-runner.

Trading him now would show the commitment to Laggy that could help him unleash his game with all it's creative flourish, and do so without fear. It might additionally give an added incentive to Nieuwehnuis and den Dekker, either of whom is probably as useful a player as EY overall and a better fit as a fourth outfielder.

I didn't even think to mention the Flores thing.

This team is a butterfly, struggling to burst forth from its cocoon. It's a stallion colt, floundering in the mud. This team is Sylvester Stallone taking porno work in the months before Rocky was greenlit. Gotta push, gotta commit, gotta move on fast before you get stuck in that crap.

This series begins that narrative.

Ceetar
May 16 2014 12:08 PM
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I want to see Flores more but I'm also not convinced he's going to be better than Tejada. I'm fine with Ruben, for now, if he's going to OBP 330+. Don't make out. that's fine. Give Flores PH opportunities and DH him at YS..wait, missed that opportunity. and start him once a week, maybe twice, at SS and maybe it's time to give David a breather day?

It's the EYJr stuff that bothers me. He has his uses. Just not as a starter. EVERYTHING we've seen this year has Lagares as the better hitter, a much much better fielder, and besides stolen bases, which you need to get on to do, he's not far off in terms of speed/baserunning either.

I'd almost excuse these last two games as Tanaka and just bad luck if there weren't so many other offensive ineptitudes.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 12:11 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
I want to see Flores more but I'm also not convinced he's going to be better than Tejada.

You don't have to be convinced to try something new. Curiosity, competitiveness and trust in your own wisdom should be enough.

If you had to be convinced before making a change, things would rarely ever change.

Ceetar
May 16 2014 12:18 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
I want to see Flores more but I'm also not convinced he's going to be better than Tejada.

You don't have to be convinced to try something new. Curiosity, competitiveness and trust in your own wisdom should be enough.

If you had to be convinced before making a change, things would rarely ever change.

yes, but right this moment Tejada is contributing.

You don't have to try something new just because you've soured on the option you have.

Oh, and another one. Terry needs to stop over-platooning Lucas Duda. And when he does, he absolutely needs to get Duda back in there as soon as the lefty starter is out. He's one of the best hitters on the team.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 12:25 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
You don't have to try something new just because you've soured on the option you have.

No, but it beats doing pornos.

Ceetar
May 16 2014 12:29 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Ceetar wrote:
You don't have to try something new just because you've soured on the option you have.

No, but it beats doing pornos.

depends who I'm co-staring with.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 12:32 PM
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Flores's problem was getting sick at the exact wrong time then watching Ruben get hot (or his version of hot) during his time in sick bay.
But that only explains a day or two's absence for Flores, not the five or six or whatever it's been since he last saw daylight.
It almost sounds like there's something going on -- internal discipline? bad BP habits? -- that we don't know about, especially seeing as how he hasn't even gotten off the bench as a decoy PHer!

metirish
May 16 2014 01:31 PM
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#FreeJuanLagares is now a thing on twitter......

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2014 01:41 PM
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I don't really believe Lagares is what's going to be the thing to help us out of the offensive troubles we've been having, other than his presence tends to assure Eric Young won't be popping out to the shortstop with a man on third and one out after getting ahead 3-0.

I'll bet Twitter thinks C Young is the guy who's got to sit, and as said above I'm not down with that, yet.

Ceetar
May 16 2014 01:45 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
I don't really believe Lagares is what's going to be the thing to help us out of the offensive troubles we've been having, other than his presence tends to assure Eric Young won't be popping out to the shortstop with a man on third and one out after getting ahead 3-0.

I'll bet Twitter thinks C Young is the guy who's got to sit, and as said above I'm not down with that, yet.

Every little bit helps. You can't just sub guys in and project, but EY made an error costing the run on Wednesday and made out in all the key spots yesterday. Lagares taking those swings and we may win both.

But when the offense is struggling you gotta play the better guys, and Abreu in three games out of six is not that.

I'd be okay with Lagares sitting this one game,or Chris Young this one game, if it was an excuse to get Abreu a start once in a long while and Niese is a GB guy more so than others. Facing a righty. Fine. Get EY in there against the crappy Yankees defense. fine, that makes sense.

But he's taken it way too far.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 01:48 PM
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No Lagares, no Flores.

New York Mets =#FF0000]Washington Nationals
[list=1][*]Eric Young, LF[/*:m]
[*]Daniel Murphy, 2B[/*:m]
[*]David Wright, 3B[/*:m]
[*]Curtis Granderson, CF[/*:m]
[*]Bobby Abreu, RF[/*:m]
[*]Lucas Duda, 1B[/*:m]
[*]Anthony Recker, C[/*:m]
[*]Ruben Tejada, SS[/*:m]
[*]Jon Niese, SP[/*:m][/list:o] [list=1][*]Denard Span, CF[/*:m]
[*]Anthony Rendon, 3B[/*:m]
[*]Jayson Werth, RF[/*:m]
[*]Wilson Ramos, C[/*:m]
[*]Ian Desmond, SS[/*:m]
[*]Scott Hairston, LF[/*:m]
[*]Tyler Moore, 1B[/*:m]
[*]Danny Espinosa, 2B[/*:m]
[*]Tanner Roark, SP[/*:m][/list:o]

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 02:13 PM
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Dang but that Nationals lineup gets pretty hungry-lookin' after number three.

Benjamin Grimm
May 16 2014 02:16 PM
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Maybe they should go to the Shake Shack.

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 02:34 PM
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An undisclosed Shake Shack!

Zvon
May 16 2014 02:34 PM
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Ceetar wrote:
The Mets need 22 wins to get to 41 on the season and 4000 as a franchise. Let's get back on track.

4000. wow.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 02:37 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Dang but that Nationals lineup gets pretty hungry-lookin' after number three.

As does ours after number two.

Ashie62
May 16 2014 02:49 PM
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Chris Young complicates things in that he makes just enough money to sit him very often....

The Mets do have a number of pitching pieces where they could one and try to do something by trade...

John Cougar Lunchbucket
May 16 2014 02:54 PM
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Twitter is on fire with this lineup shit. Fans mad at Terry, and, by extension at the media guys who pretty much all seem to like Terry.

Terry's explanation that Lagares is slumping only adding fuel to the fire.

Ashie62
May 16 2014 04:33 PM
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Certainly so..

TC is a piece of shite.. etc...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 16 2014 05:21 PM
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For those of you scoring at home-- and if you are, your loneliness saddens me-- that's your ex-Gold Glove finalist in left there missing the cutoff man/opening the door to a couple more easy Nat runs the day after handing the eventual game-winning run to the MFYs.

Zvon
May 16 2014 05:46 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
For those of you scoring at home-- and if you are, your loneliness saddens me-- that's your ex-Gold Glove finalist in left there missing the cutoff man/opening the door to a couple more easy Nat runs the day after handing the eventual game-winning run to the MFYs.

I like EYoung in the mix, but not if he's gonna be giving back the runs he nets us. I like aggressive but I dislike stoopid. He has been aggressively stoopid lately.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 05:54 PM
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So other than the misplays from Wright, Murphy, Tejada, and E Young, coupled with the walks and hits given up by Niese, and that the Mets have just one bloop hit, I think the first two innings have gone rather well otherwise.

Gwreck
May 16 2014 05:57 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
He's a defensive downgrade with almost no pop and modest OBP ability. If he's not starting, he's a pinch-runner.

Holy shit! You make it sound as if Eric Young isn'tone of our best players! If only we could get this through the manager's thick head.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 06:02 PM
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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote:
Twitter is on fire with this lineup shit. Fans mad at Terry, and, by extension at the media guys who pretty much all seem to like Terry.

Terry's explanation that Lagares is slumping only adding fuel to the fire.

It was a big topic on FAN during my hour or two of not-sleeping early this AM.
And not that I don't think it's a legit topic for discussion, but some fans have fallen way too in love with Juan Lagares. I mean, even if you want to compare him to Willie Mays defensively, I think we're got a ways to go before we start down the same road on the offensive side too.

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 06:05 PM
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This game is kinda sucking!

metirish
May 16 2014 06:05 PM
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It's all going pear shaped Terry and Sandy

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 06:05 PM
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Third straight series where slow, fat guys are scoring from 1st on hits against us.

And, let's face it, the odds of this team scoring 5 runs [u:2ileuivg]this weekend[/u:2ileuivg] are probably less than 50/50

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 16 2014 06:09 PM
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It's okay, guys-- we'll make our comeback later, when they're 1000% better, run-differential-wise.

Ashie62
May 16 2014 06:10 PM
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Need to find the TC hot seat thread...

metirish
May 16 2014 06:13 PM
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Somehow hearing Gary say the Mets last scored a run Tuesday is worse than hearing his say it's been 21 innings .....they way this is goign he'll be saying Mets last scored a month ago.

Zvon
May 16 2014 06:34 PM
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A run. Yay!

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 06:46 PM
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Nats wisely pitch around Murphy to get to Wright and thus get out of the inning without further damage.

Zvon
May 16 2014 07:08 PM
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Gary does a good Tim :)

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 07:22 PM
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Campbell has some chowder on his swing.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 07:39 PM
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Campbell should get a start (or two) at 3B sometime this weekend.
The incumbent there seems like he needs a break.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 07:40 PM
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Clippard is a nice guy to beat.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 07:49 PM
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Abreu is a modest revelation, isn't he?

Ashie62
May 16 2014 07:50 PM
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Cmon Duda...

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 07:51 PM
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This game is still kinda sucking!

Zvon
May 16 2014 07:53 PM
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Ugh. At least he made good contact.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 07:56 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Abreu is a modest revelation, isn't he?

Yeah, but why wasn't Lagares pr-ing for him there?
On a gapper that potential run was important and don't you want him for defense?

I guess Terry is saving him for PH duty in the 9th: Lagares & Flores for Tejada & the pitchers slot.

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 07:58 PM
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Zvon wrote:
At least he made good contact.

That's not gonna help in the morning.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 08:04 PM
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The good news is that we kept the strike-outs in single digits tonight
The bad news is just about everything else.

Zvon
May 16 2014 08:05 PM
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damnshit. Reck got allAthat.

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 08:09 PM
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That's not gonna help in the morning.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 08:12 PM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 16 2014 08:12 PM

We could try drinking more but I don't think that's gonna help in the morning either.

Fman99
May 16 2014 08:12 PM
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Muffy up as the tying run. I like it.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 08:12 PM
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Tying runnie!

Fman99
May 16 2014 08:13 PM
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FUCK JAYSON WERTH AND HIS BEARD.

Zvon
May 16 2014 08:13 PM
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OMG. Only the Mets can end a game like that.

Edgy MD
May 16 2014 08:13 PM
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Holy shmoly.. Ghost of Willie Harris.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 08:14 PM
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I hate 6' 5" right fielders!

d'Kong76
May 16 2014 08:16 PM
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Felonious grab, suck-ass end to a bad game.

Frayed Knot
May 16 2014 08:21 PM
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The bigger problem was the suck-ass way they started the game.
Take away those fumbles in the opening frame and the game was pretty much even the rest of the way.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 16 2014 08:37 PM
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I mean, if you're going to lose, you want to lose on a play like that, right?

Zvon
May 17 2014 01:47 PM
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For future reference:

He didn't even have to jump. Weak catch.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
May 17 2014 04:04 PM
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He jumped. That picture caught him on the way down, methinks.

Zvon
May 17 2014 04:12 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
He jumped. That picture caught him on the way down, methinks.

Yea, his feet got off the ground (photo don't show it). But he didn't jump two feet over the fence. He just hopped-skipped like a gurl (no offense to all u gurls out there). Paybacks are a beeeeeatch Werth!

Zvon
May 17 2014 04:26 PM
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Better pic. Yea, okay, it was a nice catch. Not Lagares nice, but nice.