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Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread
| Mex17 May 04 2014 06:26 AM |
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If last night taught us anything it is that Matsuzaka and Mejia need to switch roles. One blew up after the third time around the order (for the second game in a row) and the other could not get ready fast enough to come in and limit the damage.
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| LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 04 2014 08:01 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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He's had enough time; he's obviously not suited for this role.
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| d'Kong76 May 04 2014 08:19 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Waiting until boarding the plane and snuffing him out with
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| Mets Guy in Michigan May 04 2014 09:56 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Didn't he have a number of really good starts before the two bad ones?
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| Frayed Knot May 04 2014 11:13 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Yes but nothing counts beyond the most recent.
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| smg58 May 04 2014 11:23 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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It's not like our other starters at Coors Field looked any better, and for four innings Mejia fared a lot better than either Wheeler or Colon did. I didn't catch the game, but from what I've seen of Mejia he can get rattled if things start to go wrong. That's something he'll need to work on. But I'm all for him working on that here, in the rotation.
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| Frayed Knot May 04 2014 11:57 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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And if 'rattled when things start to go wrong' does turn out to be the correct diagnosis, it's not like that has 'Make him a closer' written all over it.
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| Benjamin Grimm May 04 2014 01:13 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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I'd consider switching Mejia and Matsuzaka, but for a different reason: to conserve Mejia's innings so that he can last longer into the season. I'd still like to see Jenrry as a starter long-term, although if everything goes well (which virtually never happens!) there will be several pitchers who will be squeezed out of the Mets rotation over the next couple of years. Time will tell if Mejia is one of them, and if so, if his exit is to the bullpen or to another club.
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| Edgy MD May 04 2014 03:45 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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I'd totally consider switching them --- but not with the notion that Mejia has necessarily failed or anything. Matsuzaka has been effective as a long reliever, but shown a challenge with warming up. His history and success is as a starter. Independent of everything else, I'd totally consider giving that guy a chance to start if a position became open.
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| Ashie62 May 04 2014 06:25 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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The Mets have Degrom and Montero working out of the pen is Vegas... A solution may arise from the farm...
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| metirish May 04 2014 06:30 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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I think he has too much gel in that mane of his , get that hair cut, that will help.
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| Nymr83 May 04 2014 07:01 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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I'm not ready to bounce Mejia from the rotation yet, maybe after a few more bad starts in a row. I'd rather watch a young guy grow on the job when he's at least had some success as Mejia has. I'd rather not see another old guy who may not pitch any better get "rewarded" for being unable to warm up quicker. If Matsuzaka can't warm up effectively as a reliever then CUT him, he's not important enough to displace Mejia under the circumstances
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| Edgy MD May 04 2014 07:55 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Well, of course he may not pitch any better. Then again, he may. Nothing is guaranteed. That's why smart people are asked to make tough decisions.
The notion isn't to reward him for not warming up quicker. The notion is to recognize that he's been effective and to seek to improve the team, possibly by giving him a starting role.
Do you realize he leads the team in ERA? WHIP? K/9? H/9? Cutting him would rightfully be a scandal.
Neither was the likes of R.A. Dickey, until he was. At what point do you recognize that a retread playing well has become an asset?
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| Nymr83 May 04 2014 08:23 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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my point is only that i'm not moving someone from the bullpen to the rotation, when a more deserving/better pitcher is in the rotation, based on the reliever's inability to get warm quickly.
He's thrown 10 innings, lets not let the crazy small sample size fool us. If you want to get technical about things he leads the team in NONE of those rate stats as the minimum number of innings to be considered the leader in any rate stat is 1 per team game. But since you actually want to use small sample sizes, lets not forget that he has walked 6 batters in 10 innings. that is a bad rate that will lead to many more runs when the hits start falling if he doesnt get it under control
this makes no sense, do you want examples of all the guys who WERE given more playing time but didn't do well? my point/argument is that, right now, the full picture for Mejia(Mejia's potential value to both the present and future of the team at 24 years old, Mejia's past performance, Mejia's performance so far this year) looks to me like continuing to use him in the rotation instead of Matsuzaka is the right move for the Mets, with the higher upside.
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| Frayed Knot May 04 2014 08:31 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Some may have a bad impression of Matsuzaka on account of his first three games for the Mets - although in fairness they threw him right into the fire having not pitched in the majors in nearly a full year and only 80-some ML innings for all of 2011-13.
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| Edgy MD May 05 2014 04:31 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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And the alleged deservingness/betterness is certtainly debatable.
That's hardly the sum of the argument.
Well, we also have the numbers closing out last year as noted above. We also have his extensive history as a starter. When do you get "carried away"? I tried to ask that above and got no answer Is recognizing any of things about his performance truly getting "carried away"? Or is advocating for his release getting carried away? And please note that WHIP includes walks. So it has more than come out in the wash.
Of course it does. It's in plain declarative prose with one sentence leading to another and building an argument on a rational basis of facts.
You're welcome to do that, as part of your argument, as you advocate for this player's release. I'm certainly not suggesting success is guaranteed. Are you?
Sure, but that doesn't mean you get to distort anybody else's argument, or pretend that the case at hand isn't based on real data, or advocate for the senseless release of a successful pitcher just to underscore yourself. Let's take another retread. A guy named Seaver. Let's take another young pitcher with an upside trying to establish himself in the rotation. A guy named Aguilera. Back in 1985, the Mets were hanging tight in a pennant race, and Frank Cashen sat down next to Davey Johnson and said, "I've got a chance to get Seaver." Johnson saw Cashen trying to correct his own public relations gaffe of fumbling away Seaver after the 1983 Season, and wanted no part of the deal. He had his rotation in place for next year and beyond. Five handsome and talented pitchers working on their game and their mullets ready to be the envy of baseball for years. I don't know what the White Sox were asking for Seaver. Maybe a lot, but... [list][*]Seaver would go 7-4 / 3.21 in 101 innings in a hitter's park the second half of 1985. [/*:m] [*]Aguilera, kept in the rotation until the end of the decade would never fully establish himself as a starter. [/*:m] [*]Aguilera, upon moving to the pen in 1990 with another team not so caught up in their vision, but trusting the evidence before them, blossomed into an All-Star. He, in fact, made three all-star teams as a reliever, and his mullet was beautiful. [/*:m] [*]Those Seaver-less 1985 Mets won 98 games and finished three games out of first place. [/*:m] [*]Their glaring weakness, besides secondbase against lefties, was widely considered to be depth in the pen. Doug Sisk, so effective at keeping the ball down previous three years, was trying to pitch through an elbow injury and brought a can of gas with him every time he went out there. He is widely derided as the reason the team lost 1985. [/*:m] [*]Seaver in the rotation, and Aguilera in the pen might have been the difference that season, and possibly Johnson (excellent, but not perfect) had a commitment to one version of the future that blinded him to the needs and opportunities of the present in the case of 1985. [/*:m] [*]If Seaver broke down in the future, as he did in 1986, Agulera wasn't going anywhere and he might have gotten another crack at the rotation with a little bit of experience and perspective behind him. LESSONS LEARNED! [/*:m] [*]So might your commitment to one version of the future blind you to the needs and opportunities of the present in this case.[/*:m][/list:u] Just maybe.
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| Nymr83 May 05 2014 07:30 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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back to back walks from the walk-happy Matsuzaka, a scorching line drive right by his head, an error on Q (on a hard liner that went off his glove), and then a scorched double in the gap... This is exactly what I was saying about Matsuzaka, the walks always come back to bite you and the hits will eventually fall in line with league-BABIP while the walks keep on coming, his hot start was an ILLUSION
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| Nymr83 May 05 2014 07:44 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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edit - the post i was responding too disappeared.
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| Edgy MD May 05 2014 07:46 PM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Sorry. You were right. You apparently did make something of that argument while I was sequestered in jury. Missed it.
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| G-Fafif May 13 2014 10:12 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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Mex17: Like Jerry Manuel, demi-prophet without honor in his own time.
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| Edgy MD May 30 2014 11:20 AM Re: Official "Mejia needs to go to the bullpen" thread |
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