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John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 07:38 AM

A new game inspired by Wolfy's remarks in the Fred Wilpon Thread. I throw out a combination of teams, you give me the "Ultimate" example of such (for example: Met-Dodger: you guess Mike Piazza). You answer, you ask for a new combo. Like that. Let's begin with discussion of the Ultimate Met-Mariner.

Gwreck May 21 2014 07:39 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

John Olerud. Ultimate Met-Tiger?

Edgy MD May 21 2014 07:40 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Ol' Rude.

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2014 07:41 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Gwreck wrote: John Olerud. Ultimate Met-Tiger? Rusty Staub. Ultimate Met-Brewer?

sharpie May 21 2014 07:47 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Jeromy Burnitz Ultimate Met-Yankee

Frayed Knot May 21 2014 07:50 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

I'm going with David Cone for ultimate Met-Yank Met - Giant?

Edgy MD May 21 2014 08:09 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Joel Youngblood. Marlin Met?

d'Kong76 May 21 2014 08:21 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Piazza's hours with the Marlins were quite memorable. Expomet? (too easy)

HahnSolo May 21 2014 08:21 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Cliff Floyd. Astro-Met?

HahnSolo May 21 2014 08:22 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

HahnSolo wrote: Cliff Floyd. Astro-Met? Sorry My Cliff response was to the Marlins, though I guess he does fit as an expo-met.

Mets Guy in Michigan May 21 2014 08:24 AM Re: ComboMet Combat Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 21 2014 08:26 AM

Gary Carter would be the proper Expo-Met, though there certainly could be a strong argument for Le Grande Orange as well! Wait! Rusy could edge out Mike Scott or Nolan Ryan as the Astro Mets! White Sox-Met? I can think of two solid ones!

Edgy MD May 21 2014 08:25 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

HahnSolo wrote: Cliff Floyd. Astro-Met? [fimg=450]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZIIJvG-4Lww/T4DSXGmzoBI/AAAAAAAAAek/QxrWIAGLscY/s1600/astronuat+baseball.jpg[/fimg]

seawolf17 May 21 2014 08:25 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Mr. Mays would like to challenge "Joel Youngblood, GiantMet."

HahnSolo May 21 2014 08:25 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Robin Ventura. Still waiting on an Astro-Met.

seawolf17 May 21 2014 08:26 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

HahnSolo wrote: Still waiting on an Astro-Met. Nolan Ryan. PhillyMet?

Edgy MD May 21 2014 08:27 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

seawolf17 wrote: Mr. Mays would like to challenge "Joel Youngblood, GiantMet." Well, then, perhaps he can un-retire and add to his 1.6 Metly WAR. We have to make cold, hard choices here at ComboMet Combat.

Mets Guy in Michigan May 21 2014 08:28 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

seawolf17 wrote: HahnSolo wrote: Still waiting on an Astro-Met. Nolan Ryan. PhillyMet? Tug's gotta be the PhillyMet. IndianMet?

Edgy MD May 21 2014 08:28 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

AstroMet is Crusty Staub. OE: Indian Met is Jeff Kent. (Or Joel Youngblood, who was part American Indian.) RangerMet?

Mets Guy in Michigan May 21 2014 08:30 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: AstroMet is Crusty Staub. OE: Indian Met is Jeff Kent. (Or Joel Youngblood, who was part American Indian.) RangerMet? I'd throw Nolan out there again!

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 08:55 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Answer - ask

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 08:59 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Answer - ask Time's up. I'll raise the stakes now: Ultimate Met-Astro-Pirate

Edgy MD May 21 2014 09:04 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Wow! Rick White? Met-Cardinal-Brewer?

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 09:13 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Ray Sadecki. Met-Yankee-Phillie

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2014 09:14 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Dallas Green. Met-Blue Jay-Cub.

G-Fafif May 21 2014 09:22 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Dallas Green. Met-Blue Jay-Cub. Brian McRae. Met-Pirate-Indian.

Edgy MD May 21 2014 09:32 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

G-Fafif wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Dallas Green. Met-Blue Jay-Cub. Brian McRae. Met-Pirate-Indian. Ralph McPherran Kiner. Met-Blue Jay-Expo?

Mets Guy in Michigan May 21 2014 09:45 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

John Candelaria Mets-White Sox-Reds

Frayed Knot May 21 2014 09:46 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Mets-White Sox-Reds GT Seaver of course: Majority of career, 300th win, lone no-hitter Met-DBack-Marlin? ... and do not lie!

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 09:50 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Heath Bell Mariner-Brave-Met

G-Fafif May 21 2014 09:53 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Heath Bell Mariner-Brave-Met Aaron Harang. Met-Padre-Oriole.

Edgy MD May 21 2014 09:54 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Yogi Berra was a WWII Navy Vet who was part of D-Day. That makes him a brave mariner Met.

Frayed Knot May 21 2014 09:58 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

G-Fafif wrote: Met-Padre-Oriole. Roberto Alomar Met - Oriole - Expo? Stay local my friends.

Edgy MD May 21 2014 10:06 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Singelton? Rocky Diamondback Met?

Frayed Knot May 21 2014 10:07 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: Singelton? Mt Vernon's own.

metsmarathon May 21 2014 10:12 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

the top philamet should be dykstra, no? dykstra had 16.5 WAR as a met, and 25.7 as a phil mcgraw had 12.8 WAR as a met, and 8.2 as a phil i assume the criteria we're looking for here is a high level of performance, evenly split between two teams, right? to that end, allow me to suggest a perfectly outrageous idea... pending any yet to be performed investigation, your expomet should be... not gary carter... but... ron hunt (?!) gary carter is not an expomet. he is an expo, who also played well as a met. his work was not close to evenly shard between the two team, much as we love him as our own. he tallied 55.6 WAR as an expo, compared to 11.3 as a met. ron hunt, on the other hand, had 8.2 WAR as a met and 12.7 as an expo. i thought long and hard about this. well, for a few minutes this morning at least. gary carters' average of WAR between mets and expos was 33.45, however, the delta between his met and expo totals was 44.3 WAR. subtract the delta from the average, and you get -10.85 as his shared-teamliness-score, or STS. i need a better acronym. ron hunt's STS is 5.95. for comparison, wayne garret is a -3.5 and rusty staub is a 0.95. i think this metric best captures what it is to be a player shared by two teams. willie mays (-74.9 STS) is not a metgiant. angel pagan (3.85 STS) is. but ron hunt (7.45 STS) (him again?!), is THE metgiant, with his 8.2 metly WAR and 9.7 giantly WAR. until i find somebody better, that is... i've yet to identify a metindian... kent is a -3.15 STS. nolan ryan may be an astroranger, or an astroangel, but nobody's going to share him with the mets.

Edgy MD May 21 2014 10:18 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Joel Youngblood's WAR as a Met: 9.3. Joel Youngblood's WAR as a Giant: 3.6. Average. 6.45 Delta: 5.7 Average Minus Delta: 0.75. BOOO!!!!!!!!

G-Fafif May 21 2014 10:22 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

And Ralph Kiner talked a good game with the Mets but never hit a damn thing for them.

seawolf17 May 21 2014 10:30 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

In case any of all y'all need help on these: http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ ... hise.shtml Edgy MD wrote: Rocky Diamondback Met? Armando Reynoso, I guess. MetDodgerGiant?

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 10:34 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Duke Snider. White Sock-Cub-Met

Edgy MD May 21 2014 10:45 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Uh... Darrin F. Jackson? Met-Orix Buffalo?

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 10:49 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Duke Snider. White Sock-Cub-Met Darryl Strawberry.

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 11:11 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: seawolf17 wrote: Mr. Mays would like to challenge "Joel Youngblood, GiantMet." Well, then, perhaps he can un-retire and add to his 1.6 Metly WAR. We have to make cold, hard choices here at ComboMet Combat. Dave Kingman wants to challenge Youngblood, too.

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 11:13 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Duke Snider. White Sock-Cub-Met It's your favorite Met, in the ultimate Combo Mets/White Sox baseball card

Edgy MD May 21 2014 11:16 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Dave Kingman wants to challenge Youngblood, too. Dave Kingman's WAR as a Met: 3.0 Dave Kingman's WAR as a Giant: 4.3 Average. 3.65 Delta: 1.3 Average Minus Delta: 2.35 Better than Youngblood. Not as good as Hunt.

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 11:18 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: Dave Kingman wants to challenge Youngblood, too. Dave Kingman's WAR as a Met: 3.0 Dave Kingman's WAR as a Giant: 4.3 Average. 3.65 Delta: 1.3 Average Minus Delta: 2.35 Better than Youngblood. Not as good as Hunt. Could we get a formula here?

Edgy MD May 21 2014 11:35 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Apparently it's [list:5v2zaphu]STS = { [ Abs ( MetsWAR + OtherTeamWAR ) ] / 2 } - [ Abs ( MetsWAR - OtherTeamWAR ) ][/list:u:5v2zaphu] Or somesuch.

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 11:42 AM Re: ComboMet Combat Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 21 2014 11:51 AM

Edgy MD wrote: Apparently it's [list]STS = { [ Abs ( MetsWAR + OtherTeamWAR ) ] / 2 } - [ Abs ( MetsWAR - OtherTeamWAR ) ][/list:u] Or somesuch. Ouch. You're making my head hurt. Why don't you apply Bill James's power-speed formula, modified for 2 team WARS? Bill James invented the Power/Speed Number, a single figure to quantify the idea expressed in the "40-40 club" or the "30-30 club" and other combinations of stolen bases and home runs. The formula is 2(HR x SB)/(HR+SB)

Edgy MD May 21 2014 11:48 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

It's marathon's conception. I'm just applying it to Kong.

metsmarathon May 21 2014 12:26 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: Apparently it's [list]STS = { [ Abs ( MetsWAR + OtherTeamWAR ) ] / 2 } - [ Abs ( MetsWAR - OtherTeamWAR ) ][/list:u] Or somesuch. you probably don't want the absolute value of the average of the two WARs, as a player with a negative average WAR would end up positive here. i really wish that bbref frivolity listed the players by WAR in addition to the games, hits, homers, and stolen bases. it would make this so much easier. the best diamondmet i can find is elmer dessens, at 1.2 STS. chris young has a chance of topping that, i suppose, but will need about 6 WAR in his metly career. i doubt that he does it this season...

Edgy MD May 21 2014 12:29 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

BuffaloMet!

Edgy MD May 21 2014 01:24 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

OK, fine. The greatest Orix Buffalo/New York Met was Jae Weong Seo. Gimme the top Met-Brave-Royal.

G-Fafif May 21 2014 01:48 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: OK, fine. The greatest Orix Buffalo/New York Met was Jae Weong Seo. Gimme the top Met-Brave-Royal. Bruce Chen. Met-Diamondback-Red Sock, por favor.

Frayed Knot May 21 2014 02:07 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

G-Fafif wrote: Met-Diamondback-Red Sock, por favor. Stephen Drew ... oh wait!

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 03:03 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: OK, fine. The greatest Orix Buffalo/New York Met was Jae Weong Seo. Gimme the top Met-Brave-Royal. I only know this from all the cards I post here -- don't know if he's the best, though.

Mets – Willets Point May 21 2014 03:10 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

G-Fafif wrote: Met-Diamondback-Red Sock, por favor. Carlos Baerga. Switch this up and gimme the best Mets-Cardinals battery!

batmagadanleadoff May 21 2014 03:11 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Mets – Willets Point wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Met-Diamondback-Red Sock, por favor. Carlos Baerga. Switch this up and gimme the best Mets-Cardinals battery! Carlos Beltran pitching to Keith Hernandez.

Mets – Willets Point May 21 2014 03:16 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Taint no thing.

Edgy MD May 21 2014 04:01 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Ray Sadecki throwing to Clint Hurdle. Best Mets-Tigers outfield.

SteveJRogers May 21 2014 04:19 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Edgy MD wrote: Ray Sadecki throwing to Clint Hurdle. Best Mets-Tigers outfield. Staub, Granderson, Cedeno Best Mets-Cardinals infield.

Benjamin Grimm May 21 2014 05:03 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Keith Hernandez, Tom Herr, Garry Templeton, Joe Torre. Best Mets-Phillies starting rotation.

DocTee May 21 2014 05:21 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Jerry Koosman--Nino Espinosa--David West--Sid Fernandez--Robert Person Best Giants-Mets bullpen

John Cougar Lunchbucket May 21 2014 07:03 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

I got Cook and Ramon Ramirez.

DocTee May 21 2014 07:27 PM Re: ComboMet Combat

Benitez!

Edgy MD May 22 2014 07:29 AM Re: ComboMet Combat

Aaaaaardsma. Aybar. 'Erbel. Guillermo F. Mota.