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IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 03:15 PM

Remember that it's 7:00 tonight (I have no idea why the 6 PM local start time). We need this one. Losing 2 of 3 in Chicago is a lost opportunity, getting swept would be an embarrassment. Muffy gets the day off which is probably good ... but not if it results in our worst hitter leading off. Hell, I'd bat deGrom there before Cy Oung. Plus Terry misses the chance to put the three little d's in the same lineup. C Young - CF Granderson - RF Wright - 3B Campbell - 1B Brown - LF Flores - 2B Tejada - SS d'Arnaud - C deGrom - P Buddy Carlyle has been DFA'd to make room for the return of Brown - so we've not only got a bigger bench as of now but also 3 LHPs in the pen.

RealityChuck Jun 05 2014 04:19 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

FYI, I'm at the game. Behind the Cubs dugout in the third section back in the shade.

Ashie62 Jun 05 2014 04:26 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Weird lineup for us...

Ceetar Jun 05 2014 04:31 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

RealityChuck wrote: FYI, I'm at the game. Behind the Cubs dugout in the third section back in the shade. have a poppy seed bun for me. we've been batting one of our worst hitters leadoff almost daily all season, why change it now?

Zvon Jun 05 2014 05:12 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

I want deGrom to get a win. Yea, now's a great time to field that line-up. [ /]sarcasm meter Line-up, please make a fool out of me and score a dozen runs for the kid.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 05:32 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

I coulda caught that, Mr. CYoung. Tsk tsk.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 05:38 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Wow. He may have been safe. Great throw Brown but only if he stays out. Man advances to 2nd on the throw.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 05:40 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Could get reversed, but I think the glove brushed his wrist as he reached across.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 05:41 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Crapcicles. Called safe. I would have wanted to challenge the DP thing but that did look too close to risk. And Wood takes deGrom yard. YOW!

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 05:42 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Nope says the ruling. Do you think the evidence says he was conclusively safe? And the homer suddenly makes it a three-run reversal.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2014 05:42 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Cubs announcers were surprised that Terry didn't challenge the safe call at first base on the attempted double-play. On replay it did look like it should have been an out call. If that call had been reversed, the Cubs wouldn't have scored any of their three runs.

RealityChuck Jun 05 2014 05:44 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Bummer.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 05:45 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Edgy MD wrote: Nope says the ruling. Do you think the evidence says he was conclusively safe? And the homer suddenly makes it a three-run reversal. I was a little surprised because it looked like he avoided the tag from the views available, but there was no definitive view, imo. In other words, a perspective showing some space between the glove and the guy. I didn't see that so I didn't think they'd reverse it.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2014 05:46 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

The replays I saw on the Chicago telecast looked very much like the runner's hand touched the plate before there was any tag. I was fully expecting that reversal.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 05:47 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

It's a pitchers' hitting exhibition. Losing ballz in the ivy like Dave Kingman.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 05:47 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Cubs announcers were surprised that Terry didn't challenge the safe call at first base on the attempted double-play. On replay it did look like it should have been an out call. If that call had been reversed, the Cubs wouldn't have scored any of their three runs. One replay looked safe, the other out (only saw two). It would have been a risk. It was a crucial DP tho. One of those possible game changers for a pitcher. deGrom doubles, lol. I love this kid.

RealityChuck Jun 05 2014 05:50 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

They've been using Lucas Duda's photo for deGrom on the scoreboard. Looks like he's hitting and pitching like it.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 06:10 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Flores is a couple inches away from 4 RBIs here tonight.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 06:23 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Shit. I missed whatever happened that inning. It does not read well.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 06:37 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

What does that Campbell K make it now, 1 for their last 91 w/RiSP or something like that?

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 06:45 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Frayed Knot wrote: What does that Campbell K make it now, 1 for their last 91 w/RiSP or something like that? Close. 22-for-116 over their last 10 games (.190) Five of those hits were garbage time hits in the blowout win at Philly, and because a large chunk of our hits are singles, not all of the hits w/RiSP actually plate a run.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:20 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Should we be letting Campbell bat here?

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:22 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Well, that puts the stupid to my question. Should we be letting Brown hit here?

smg58 Jun 05 2014 07:24 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Does that answer your question?

Fman99 Jun 05 2014 07:24 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 05 2014 07:24 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

DOWNTOWN! Keep the stupid coming, please.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:25 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

How AWESOME!!! Follow me, guys! Should we be letting Flores bat here?

Zvon Jun 05 2014 07:25 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Edgy MD wrote: Well, that puts the stupid to my question. Should we be letting Brown hit here? Yes. Easy to say now,hehe. Graphically speaking, I was not prepared for this eventuality. BrownBoom!

RealityChuck Jun 05 2014 07:27 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Someone started a little "lets go mets" this inning. Seems to have helped a bit.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:29 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Second City cast members sing better than most.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:34 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Never really trust guys who wear eye black for night games.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:34 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

See?

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2014 07:35 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

They shouldn't have let Rizzo hit there. This series is sucking the life out of me.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 07:35 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

That didn't last long. I told ya to keep Rizzo down boys. Didn't mean downtown.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 05 2014 07:36 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Edgy MD wrote: Never really trust guys who wear eye black for night games. They will mug you. Apparently. Black didn't leave it up, either-- he golfed it.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:46 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Let's get it back. I wanna make love to you under the Strop light!

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 07:49 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Does d'Arnaud have any hits this season? Cuz, if so, I don't remember any of them.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:51 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Oh, great the overshift against Granderson.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 07:52 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Wow, he found a spot! Go Wrightage.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 05 2014 07:53 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Say what you will about Dopey Terry's lineup choices, but, well, Chris Young has been on base three times tonight.

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2014 07:54 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

A little more than some warning-track power here from Wright would be really nice.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 07:55 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Come on Dave. Wait for your pitch & poke it.. UGH. That was not your pitch.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 07:55 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Does Wright have any RBIs this season? Cuz, if so, I don't remember any of them?

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2014 07:57 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Strandin' strandin' strandin' Mets just keep on strandin'

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2014 08:02 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

The ol' triangle of death play adds salt to the hurts...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 05 2014 08:02 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Waitwaitwait... struggles or no, did we just see SugarPants double-switched out?

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 08:03 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Strandin' strandin' strandin' Mets just keep on stranding' Because they can not hit the Cow-hiiiiiiide

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 05 2014 08:10 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

We're going to be fucking swept by the fucking Cubs.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 08:11 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14 Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 05 2014 08:14 PM

Y'know, I was just about to say that this game has the feel of one where we give up two insurance runs and then score twice in the 9th to fall just short (with the go-ahead runners left on base of course). Well, we fulfilled the first half of that prediction.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 08:14 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

It has to be said. Recker got the tag down and d'Aranud did not, and that has made all the difference.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 08:15 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: We're going to be fucking swept by the fucking Cubs. Pretty sad. Frayed Knot wrote: Y'know, I was just about to say that this game has the feel of one where we give up two insurance runs and then score twice in the 9th to fall just short (wight eh go-ahead runners on of course). Well, we fulfilled the first half of that prediction. We are conditioned for this. Campy does not agree.

Frayed Knot Jun 05 2014 08:15 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

It has to be said. Recker got the tag down and d'Aranud did not, and that has made all the difference. Not remotely close to the same play.

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2014 08:17 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

And right on cue, Gary says, "the Cubs have not swept a series all year."

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 08:21 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

This is quite the test here.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jun 05 2014 08:25 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

It seems like whenever we come off a great series, we come crashing down right away. I don't want to hear things like "the Phillies series took a lot out of them." That's crap. They gave these Cubs games away.

d'Kong76 Jun 05 2014 08:31 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Edgy MD wrote: This is quite the test here. What the hell does that mean? The series sucked. If it was a test ... they failed miserably.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 08:33 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

I meant for me, dear d'Kong.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 08:34 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Yea, this "tired" business. Was it Gary who touched on it? I've seen a lot of tired and sorry Met teams but I don't remember any of em going around telling everyone how tired they are. That's a bunchAbullshit.

Edgy MD Jun 05 2014 08:35 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Wait... have the Mets been going around and telling folks how tired they are? I was getting the Cubs feed.

Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2014 08:41 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: We're going to be fucking swept by the fucking Cubs. The good news is they'll next be visiting two first-place teams.

Zvon Jun 05 2014 08:51 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Edgy MD wrote: Wait... have the Mets been going around and telling folks how tired they are? I was getting the Cubs feed. Gary mentioned something in passing. I assume it was something TC said. Might have been Mex who said you shouldn't let the other team know that.

RealityChuck Jun 05 2014 09:24 PM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

I did enjoy the game at Wrigley; the 'Friendly Confines" is not just hype. The fans gave only minor ribbing to Mets fans and there was a lot of chatting (one girl asked me how many innings in a game!). And it's a beautiful ballpark.

Ceetar Jun 06 2014 07:08 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Watching the Miracle Of Life last night instead. Looking at the boxscore I'm unsure which is worse.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2014 07:39 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Frayed Knot wrote: It has to be said. Recker got the tag down and d'Aranud did not, and that has made all the difference. Not remotely close to the same play. Well, I think it's remotely close, in that they're both tag plays at the same remote base, and one was successful and the other missed.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2014 07:44 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

I just means to make a point that a missed tag cost us big. Obviously, less than perfect defense and pitching wouldn't matter so much if the team would hit a little.

MFS62 Jun 06 2014 08:21 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Why pitch your closer in a non-save situation, especially when losing? Later

RealityChuck Jun 06 2014 08:26 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

Actually, I think the key play was Valbueno's double in the second. If den Decker (or Lagares,alas) were in center, it's an out and the runs don't score.

Edgy MD Jun 06 2014 08:30 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

MFS62 wrote: Why pitch your closer in a non-save situation, especially when losing? Later Because using save situations to dictate when to use your closer is succumbing to a false hierarchy of values. He had already missed three days while pitchers of lesser status toiled. It was the Mets last best hope to win a game, and saving their allegedly best available pitcher for a save opportunity would have been counter-productive.

RealityChuck Jun 06 2014 08:34 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

MFS62 wrote: Why pitch your closer in a non-save situation, especially when losing? Later In theory, to keep the other team from scoring more runs and to give your team a chance to win. It didn't work this time, but the strategy is sound.

MFS62 Jun 06 2014 08:37 AM Re: IGT - Mets @ Cubs -- 6/5/14

I guess another reason is that he hadn't pitched for a while (didn't realize that) and they wanted to keep him sharp. Later