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IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 12:36 PM

Lets make it three! Alvarez is tough but we have seen him before.. Squish the Fish!!!

G-Fafif Jun 20 2014 01:45 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

[u:3l4o6g79]Mets [/u:3l4o6g79] Eric Young Jr., lf Daniel Murphy, 2b David Wright, 3b Curtis Granderson, cf Bobby Abreu, rf Lucas Duda, 1b Anthony Recker, c Ruben "The Winner" Tejada, ss Daisuke Matsuzaka, rhp [u:3l4o6g79]Marlins [/u:3l4o6g79] Rafael Furcal, 2b Adeiny Hechavarria, ss Giancarlo Stanton, rf Casey McGehee, 3b Jarrod Saltalamacchia, c Garrett Jones, 1b Marcell Ozuna, lf Jake Marisnick, cf Henderson Alvarez, rhp

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 02:02 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

That lineup's gonna mash.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 02:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I went to get that preview I do and this is what I found instead of the links to go there. Server Error in '/' Application. Object reference not set to an instance of an object. Probably Wilpon's fault. I'll try again later.

Ceetar Jun 20 2014 02:30 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

d'Kong76 wrote: I went to get that preview I do and this is what I found instead of the links to go there. Server Error in '/' Application. Object reference not set to an instance of an object. Probably Wilpon's fault. I'll try again later. well, SOMEONE missed a "If Object is not null then" line.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 02:33 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

That's totally Jeffy's MO. Guy wouldn't know a null object if it hit him between the eyes.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 03:48 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Jeff has a null object behind his eyes!* Agnes get me Sportsdirect on the horn pronto. *And he's cheap and broke too!

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 04:01 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

NY Mets at Miami When: 7:10 PM ET, Friday, June 20, 2014 Where: Marlins Park, Miami, Florida SportsDirect Inc. The Miami Marlins have lost a dominant home-field edge over the past month and can drop below .500 overall for the first time since April 30 when they continue a four-game series with the visiting New York Mets on Friday night. Miami suffered a 1-0 setback to the Mets on Thursday to lose for the 10th time in 15 home games after starting the season 19-6 at Marlins Park. The Marlins have scored once in back-to-back losses to fall to 2-5 on their 10-game homestand. New York put an end to an eight-game road losing streak at St. Louis on Wednesday and now is looking to win three in a row for the first time since May 31-June 2. The Mets have managed to split their last six games despite scoring a total of 11 runs in that span. David Wright provided the only offense with a solo homer in Thursday's victory, extending his hitting streak to four games following a disastrous 12-game stretch in which he was 2-for-39. TV: 7:10 p.m. ET, SNY (New York), FSN Florida (Miami) PITCHING MATCHUP: Mets RH Daisuke Matsuzaka (3-0, 2.81 ERA) vs. Marlins RH Henderson Alvarez (3-3, 2.56) Matsuzaka went one inning in his last start after exiting with a stomach issue but came back to toss a scoreless frame in relief at St. Louis on Tuesday. He has made only four starts in his 21 appearances this season and the best one came against Milwaukee on June 10, when he permitted one run on three hits over six innings. He had a rocky relief outing at the Marlins on May 5, giving up three runs and not retiring a batter. Henderson gave the Marlins a scare when he strained his left hip at the Chicago Cubs on June 8, but he bounced back to hold Pittsburgh to two runs over seven innings last time out. Alvarez, who has inherited the role of ace following Jose Fernandez's injury, is 1-0 in his last five starts despite giving up three runs in that span. His last outing against the Mets was a game: a six-hit shutout at home on May 6. WALK-OFFS: 1. Marlins RHP Kevin Gregg pitched a scoreless ninth in his season debut Thursday. He notched 61 saves with Miami in 2007-08. 2. Wright is batting .319 in 164 career games versus Miami. 3. Marlins 3B Casey McGehee has hit safely in 13 of his last 14 games.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 06:20 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Salty's 2 run homer is reversed.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 20 2014 06:24 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Pheeyew. That half-inning turned out okay.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 06:48 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

6th inning. Wright with a 1 out double, down 1-0. GRANDY, TIE THIS GAME!

Zvon Jun 20 2014 06:49 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Curtis with a sac fly gets David to third. 2 out.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 06:52 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Gah. I thought Abreu was gonna dunk one in to left but it stayed up and is the third out.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 07:03 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Hey Saltalamacchia, don't sell your hair to a wig shop.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:07 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 07:08 PM

OO, Gary was a little pumped there. 'Lil bit. Great job by The Edge.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 07:08 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Josh, he's got an Edgin.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 20 2014 07:08 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

EDGIN 4 PRESIDENT OF THIS INNING

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 07:09 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I didn't think pulling Dice-Met was way to go, but that worked out nice with Edgin and a DP.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:10 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

d'Kong76 wrote: I didn't think pulling Dice-Met, but that worked out nice with Edgin and a DP. Dice had some real wicked movement on his curve and slider tonight.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:15 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Goodbye Alvarez, & good riddance. Hello Marlins bullpen.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:18 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Ramos matches Edgen. 1 batter, 2 outs.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:24 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

This is so winnable. Or tie-able. Very tie-able.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 07:30 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Two runs feels steep

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:31 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Ant'ny messed up there, but I'm not sure why Young quit on the play so early.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:32 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Well, that took the wind out of my sails.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 07:36 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

BOOT!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 07:36 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Booooooooo

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 07:37 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

David wtf???

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:37 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

That sunk my battleship.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:37 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Lots of defensive stupidity. Stop pressing, men.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:38 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

lol. no Gary, that's an error, plain and simple.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:40 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

God gave you a glove for a reason, boy.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:46 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Chris Young, that walk was a monument.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:48 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Ha. Are you kidding me? They changed the Wright error to a double!

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:49 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

That was a double in no ways known to man. Eric Young, you probably shouldn't have been swinging 2-0, but now the tying run is up, and I'll take it.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 07:49 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Zvon wrote: Ha. Are you kidding me? They changed the Wright error to a double! That's nuts, and the second correction of the play according to the booth.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:52 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Dammitt Muffy.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 07:53 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Cmon David!!

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 07:54 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

YABBA!

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:54 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Niiiiiiiice David! And EYoung makes it to third.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:57 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

So Wright got out of an error by going for it with his bare hand? I didn't see any view that showed the guy was gonna beat it out and I will have to be convinced that he HAD to bare hand it. Wacky play.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 07:59 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I like this Dunn guy. Dunn Dunn-Dunn.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 07:59 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Campbell: Gutsy call here by Terry.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:00 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Dunn looks stunned.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:00 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

The only evidence he could beat it out was Wright going foir it barehanded. Whatevery, we didn't make that play and it's mostly the fault of putting baserunners on in the first place.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:01 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Do we have a more fearsome righty pinch hitter out there or is Soupy it?

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:01 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Lousy call on 2-0.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:03 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Lol, Wright out on the bases.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:03 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Oh, dear. He was so utterly out.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:04 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Gah, I was screaming GO WRIGHT so I won't assess any blame. I'll even take the blame. Gary has a point there.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:04 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

BUT ....

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:04 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Dumbest challenge of the year.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 08:04 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Oye, never had a shot

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:04 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Uh, good job, Soupcan. Now to the dumb appeal at the plate...

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:06 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 08:07 PM

Wright shoulda lowered the shoulder and BAMM

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 08:06 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Cohen is turning into a pain in the arse homer gomer..

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:07 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Do we have a more fearsome righty pinch hitter out there or is Soupy it? How do you feel about Flores for Duda?

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:07 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Wow. That would have been amazin' if they overturned that. And they could have, by the wording of the rule.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:08 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I have no idea what they were appealing other than the fact that no one seems to know what the correct interpretation of these new plate-blocking rules.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 08:08 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 08:08 PM

That blown op hurt...

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:08 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Edgy MD wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Do we have a more fearsome righty pinch hitter out there or is Soupy it? How do you feel about Flores for Duda? Less good. Flores should be starting. Duda should be Duuding.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:10 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

d'Kong76 wrote: Wright shoulda lowered the shoulder and BAMM If he did it might have supported the point that the catcher was not giving him a clear lane. That would have been interesting too. Maybe more-so.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:11 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Teufel needs to answer for that call. Wright, though... did he slide past the plate because he quit on the play or because he was deferring to his understanding of the noo rools or something?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:12 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 08:13 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Teufel needs to answer for that call. Wright, though... did he slide past the plate because he quit on the play or because he was deferring to his understanding of the noo rools or something? He was out by a mile so yeah the send was ill-advised. He basically had to quit on the play.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 08:12 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Recker Tejada C Young up

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:13 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Wow, what a play by Mr T.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:13 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Recker/Tejada/Nieuwenhuis in the ninth.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:14 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 08:15 PM

I'm having trouble switching to sensible mode. He blocked the plate. The rule will never work. Make the catcher wear blow-up bubble wrap that can be executed from the bench or the umps in Video Central.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 08:14 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Edgy MD wrote: Recker/Tejada/Nieuwenhuis in the ninth. maybe

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:15 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 08:15 PM

Edgy MD wrote: Wright, though... did he slide past the plate because he quit on the play or because he was deferring to his understanding of the noo rools or something? Like I said, there seems to be no common understanding of how this rule is supposed to work. The Pirates lost a force play at home a couple days ago because Russell Martin was standing on the plate and this somehow got interpreted as illegal blocking ... ON A FORCE PLAY! ... WHEN HE HAD THE BALL!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:15 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Wifey Bucket on Saltalamacchia: His beard makes his face look stupid.

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:16 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Edgy MD wrote: Teufel needs to answer for that call. Wright, though... did he slide past the plate because he quit on the play or because he was deferring to his understanding of the noo rools or something? Only he knows that. I imagine he'll be asked that after the game. It looked to me like his priority might have been not to make any contact with the catcher. But he had his foot there in front of the plate before the ball arrived. I believe David was well within his rights to run him over.

Ashie62 Jun 20 2014 08:18 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I'm glad he did not

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

NICE NEWY! BIG!

seawolf17 Jun 20 2014 08:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Well. Didn't see that coming. GET HIM IN, FELLAS.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Nieuwy is magic in these late innings.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Knieuwie knows late-inning drama.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

So they just showed the MLB decision video ... he didn't totally block the plate. Can someone not totally slide into the catcher. It's crazy.

seawolf17 Jun 20 2014 08:22 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

DO NOT STUPID BUNT TERRY

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:23 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Cishek seemingly throwing harder than the last time I remember him.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:24 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Bi-HIG at-bat here.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:25 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Let's go all bunty now and squeeze him home

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:25 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

The major league way to do it here is a hit or a fly ball, but with CYoung up I'm rooting for the wild pitch.

seawolf17 Jun 20 2014 08:27 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

WOW.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:27 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Holy crap

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:27 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Wow.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:28 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

THAT ONE I question a bit.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:28 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

well, that will do it for this season.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:28 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

God, fellas, somebody touch the plate tonight. Ozuna, you're the PotG.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:29 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

SLIDE TO THE FUCKING BASE!!!!!!

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:29 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I can't believe I'm waving the white flag on June 20.

Edgy MD Jun 20 2014 08:30 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Stupidest difference in the game has to be the bare-handy crap.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:31 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

One for their last 786 w/RiSP has something to do with it too - and even when we do get hits there it doesn't always score runs!!

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:33 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Frayed Knot wrote: SLIDE TO THE FUCKING BASE!!!!!! Yes, and if it's blocked you'll be vindicated. (rule still sucks)

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:33 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Plus we make a fuckofalotta outs on the base paths -- caught stealings, GiDPs, tag outs, doubled-off, etc.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:34 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Frayed Knot wrote: Plus we make a fuckofalotta outs on the base paths -- caught stealings, GiDPs, tag outs, doubled-off, etc. Someone should answer for it

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:34 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

d'Kong76 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: SLIDE TO THE FUCKING BASE!!!!!! Yes, and if it's blocked you'll be vindicated. (rule still sucks) I can't tell anymore if the rule suxx or not because I don't know what it is. I thought I did originally but now I'm not so sure and, what's worse, no one else seems to be sure either.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:38 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I guess it's an experiment ... not going well so far

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:38 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

d'Kong76 wrote: So they just showed the MLB decision video ... he didn't totally block the plate. Can someone not totally slide into the catcher. It's crazy. Running down the third baseline the view looks a bit different, and that's twice our guy slid to the right to avoid contact with the catcher. He was definitely partially blocking the plate, and I think the rule says no blocking at all without the ball. Under the guise of discretion that call could have been perceived differently, and it was a good challenge IMO.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:39 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 20 2014 08:45 PM

In the meantime, this was just another one of these 8-1/2 inning, low-scoring, 3-1/2 hour game -- and it still was quicker than the Yanqui game (which is still ongoing)

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:40 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I've already waffled on this, ZZZ haha

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 08:44 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Part of the problem is that these players have gotten so used to that off-center slide that they use it almost automatically. And now the new rules have just pushed them towards it even more. Had Nieuwenhis slid straight in there's no question in my mind that he would have been safe - but he seemed to intentionally avoid doing so. That Terry seems confused about the whole deal isn't helping, but in Terry's defense, a lot of people seem to be confused.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 08:48 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Beltran hits a motherfucking 3-run walkoff HR for the MFYs.

seawolf17 Jun 20 2014 08:48 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

And Beltran just hit a walkoff game-winning homer for the Yankees. This was a very Metsy night of baseball.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:49 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Certainly Wright too ... my lower the shoulder comment on another page withdrawn ... woulda been closer.

seawolf17 Jun 20 2014 08:50 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

HOLY HELL SCREW THE FUCKING LANE. Wright was out by fifteen feet. There's not even a fucking call there. edit: Just realized I might be the only person actually sitting here watching the stupid postgame because I'm still too stunned to go to bed.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:51 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I just watched the replay five time, no HOLY HELL

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:52 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Not saying I would have sent him

seawolf17 Jun 20 2014 08:54 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I don't know. I want to pillory Teufel for it, but don't at the same time. Did we know Ozuna had a great arm? I'd rather have the bases loaded with one out there and the tying run at third, but I wonder if that's only obvious in retrospect. This team can't score runs for nothing; I think you've got to send him there. And you obviously have to send Kirk in the 9th. So I don't know if I'm mad at Teufel or not.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:55 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Let's go with Teuf!

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:55 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Well, what was a boring loss became an exciting loss, and that's something. Wright was out by a mile, true, but the rule says what it says and, like the force play call the other day, could be interpreted differently. One could say that if the catchers foot blocked any part of the "lane" to the plate he was in obstruction and all that happens after is moot. It would have been a horrendously bad reversal but it could have been reversed, as things stand now.

d'Kong76 Jun 20 2014 08:57 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

I'm gonna stop, or we'll be mocked in the morning. Let's Go Mets!

Zvon Jun 20 2014 08:58 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

seawolf17 wrote: This team can't score runs for nothing; I think you've got to send him there. Bingo. That was my feeling there. Don't know if I was viewing the entire layout of the play if I would have thought differently, but as it was happening I thought he had a fair chance to make it. But he was out by a mile.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 20 2014 09:04 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

It was dumb to send to send Wright; one reason we don't score runs is because we make way too many stupid outs on the basepaths. Tuefel can suck me, that was a dumb call. Neiuwy I'll bet got a poor start or left too late, to me it seemed he was still too far up the line when they cut to that shot before the throw arrived; that was when I realized a good throw could get him. Credit to Ozuna for making it but yes, we have to go after it harder there. If TT was dumb enough to send Wright to his death he coud have failed to alert Nieuwy when to go. Obviously I'm framing a suspect but what the fuck. I can live with us having less firepower than other teams but to be so foolish on top of that is a sin we cannot commit.

Frayed Knot Jun 20 2014 09:20 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Wright should NEVER have been sent. Even if there were two outs that would have been a shaky call. With less than two it was just dumb. Nieuwenhuis had to go -- that throw was from at least 30 feet further away than the one that nailed Wright -- and he would have been safe had he made a straight-in slide. And of course the biggest culprit is 2-10 w/RiSP and one of those 2 hits led to a run while the other just led to another out.

Ceetar Jun 21 2014 06:12 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Young's sac fly seemed to hang up there too, which allowed Ozuna to take more than a couple steps in and really build momentum. It looked like Nieuwenhuis left well, but didn't see any side by side shots. Perhaps if we didn't gave a way a third of the remaining game on the play before.. Wright was clearly going to be out, but that's completely irrelevant. Under the old rule Wright should've lowered his shoulder and tried to clobber the catcher, and i'm 100% on board with trying to alleviate collisions and head injuries. So when Salty CLEARLY stepped in the lane between the plate and Wright in a very distinct blocking motion, with the ball still in the air by third base, he should've been ruled in violation of the new rule. That's EXACTLY what the rule is for. Not that they enforce it accurately there either, but wouldn't he have been called for obstruction of he blocked second base like that? or first?

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2014 06:48 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

The rule, as I interpret its intent, is simply that the catcher can block the plate only if he has the ball and that the runner can hit the catcher only if he he's given no path to the plate. It doesn't mean blocking the plate isn't allowed, and it doesn't mean steamrolling the catcher isn't allowed, only that there are specifics as to when each party can legally do what. Where the confusion seems to be--and apparently what had Sandy, who was on the rules committee that devised all this, raving mad last night*--is that some read the rule as if the catcher can never be in the baseline at any time prior to receiving the ball. If that's truly what they meant, and Sandy himself seems confused as he carefully said after the game that the rule isn't necessarily what the rules committee decided but rather a later compromise involving the union, then Wright was essentially safe the moment Salty planted a foot in the path no matter if David was 5 feet or 50 feet away from home when the throw came in. I certainly don't see it that way - although at this point NO ONE seems to know what's going on: not announcers, not umps, not managers, not players, not the guys who had a hand in making the rule (see my comments about the Pirate game from the other night earlier in this thread). To me it's only illegally blocking the plate if he actually blocks Wright from reaching the plate. But by the time David got there Saltalamacchia had already caught the ball, smoked a cigarette, and made a few phone calls, before calmly putting down the tag. What's the difference if you don't "have a lane" when you're 30 feet out? And if you don't have a lane then either slide or crash into him and you'll automatically be safe. But calling a catcher for obstruction because he set himself in a position where he'd be obstructing if a runner were actually there seems beyond silly and Terry came off last night like someone looking for a loophole in order to negate a bad decision. * although it's unclear how mad he was at the rule and how mad at just another frustrating loss

d'Kong76 Jun 21 2014 10:31 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Beltran hits a motherfucking 3-run walkoff HR for the MFYs. I didn't realize it was a SHOT and righty until just now see re-run of SNY SN. Now a true Yankee.

Ashie62 Jun 21 2014 10:37 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Ceetar wrote: Young's sac fly seemed to hang up there too, which allowed Ozuna to take more than a couple steps in and really build momentum. It looked like Nieuwenhuis left well, but didn't see any side by side shots. Perhaps if we didn't gave a way a third of the remaining game on the play before.. Wright was clearly going to be out, but that's completely irrelevant. Under the old rule Wright should've lowered his shoulder and tried to clobber the catcher, and i'm 100% on board with trying to alleviate collisions and head injuries. So when Salty CLEARLY stepped in the lane between the plate and Wright in a very distinct blocking motion, with the ball still in the air by third base, he should've been ruled in violation of the new rule. That's EXACTLY what the rule is for. Not that they enforce it accurately there either, but wouldn't he have been called for obstruction of he blocked second base like that? or first? Young's ball did seem to die in the air setting Ozuna up...

Frayed Knot Jun 21 2014 11:02 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

"Wright was clearly going to be out, but that's completely irrelevant." --- I don't think it's irrelevant at all. "Under the old rule Wright should've lowered his shoulder and tried to clobber the catcher," --- And as far as I know (although I'm getting more confused by the day) he still can. The new rules merely state that a runner can't go out of his way to bowl over a catcher who's giving him another option, aka: access to the base. "So when Salty CLEARLY stepped in the lane between the plate and Wright in a very distinct blocking motion, with the ball still in the air by third base, he should've been ruled in violation of the new rule. That's EXACTLY what the rule is for." --- I'm not sure how we define "a distinct blocking motion" here. Salty's foot was in front of the base which would have given Wright the right to slide/barrel through it/him and, if said foot/other body part were still there prior to him having the ball, the ump should be calling Wright safe even if the tag is applied in time. But the foot (or entire leg, or lying down across the path, or whatever) is no longer illegal once he has the ball and, in this case, the ball got to home about 5 minutes prior to the runner. "Not that they enforce it accurately there either, but wouldn't he have been called for obstruction of he blocked second base like that? or first?" --- Again, as with any other base, if the fielder has the ball he also has the right to be in front of the bag. The only real difference with home is that the tradition of barreling over the catcher grew because there's no penalty for over-running.

d'Kong76 Jun 21 2014 11:13 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

The only thing that is clear, is that the new commish will be overseeing a review and revision of instant replay and the catcher thing -- and not the inevitable expansion of MLB to 32 teams.

smg58 Jun 21 2014 11:56 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Frayed Knot wrote: I can't tell anymore if the rule suxx or not because I don't know what it is. I thought I did originally but now I'm not so sure and, what's worse, no one else seems to be sure either. Unfortunately, I agree wholeheartedly with this.

smg58 Jun 21 2014 12:01 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Saw both replays. The Wright play was a really bad send with one out. That should be the topic of conversation where that play is concerned. As for the last play, I do agree that Nieuwenhuis could have slid like he meant it, but give credit to Ozuna for a fantastic throw.

Edgy MD Jun 21 2014 08:26 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

My main problem is wondering if both runners slid past the catcher and the plate in exactly the same manner due to some sort of strategic instruction, whether coming down from Goodwin, Collins, Jeffpon, or whoever --- either in deference to the new rule somehow or in deference to the culture of risk consciousness that helped launch the rule. Because I'm no contact-monger, but those slides were unsatisfying to watch, from this fans perspective. The most dramatic time of the game, and I'm watching players playing like redshirts in a practice game.

Zvon Jun 21 2014 09:31 PM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

smg58 wrote: Saw both replays. The Wright play was a really bad send with one out. That should be the topic of conversation where that play is concerned. That conversation is kinda boring because even I, who thought from what I saw on TV that he should have gone, think that a coach with more of the play visible should not have sent him. He was out by a mile. Blame Tim? Who else? This is a much more interesting conversation we are having about the plays at the plate because it's an issue that remains unclear. The thing about Wrights rights. I believe he could have run him over, but he could not put his elbows out in front like a linebacker. So, how does one run over a catcher now? Waving his arms in the air like he just don't care? Wright could have run him over, but in a way that...I can't exactly imagine. And I could be wrong about this. I have no doubt that if Wright slid super hard feet first into the catcher he would not have been penalized on review. But the collision with the catcher, where the upper body of the runner is moving forward for contact is what they really want to curtail. So maybe it should be a more simple thing. Like its okay for a catcher to block the plate as he sees fit but the runner can only slide into him feet first. Wouldn't that be what they want and solve the whole dilemma? Personally I don't like what they are doing with this rule. I think it's good for the game if it addresses what really needs to be addressed. I think as it stands now it's not. It's muddying the waters.

Ceetar Jun 22 2014 07:03 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

Edgy MD wrote: My main problem is wondering if both runners slid past the catcher and the plate in exactly the same manner due to some sort of strategic instruction, whether coming down from Goodwin, Collins, Jeffpon, or whoever --- either in deference to the new rule somehow or in deference to the culture of risk consciousness that helped launch the rule. Because I'm no contact-monger, but those slides were unsatisfying to watch, from this fan's perspective. The most dramatic time of the game, and I'm watching players playing like redshirts in a practice game. I think it's the "in deference" thing. At least to my eyes, more and more guys have slid like that over the last few years, predating this rule. And I fully support _a_ rule, and trying to weed out the rest of the machismo "take one for the team" attitude of the handful of guys that go barreling into the catcher like they don't have a head on their shoulders to concuss. But geeze, figure out how exactly it's going to work before tossing it willy nilly to the umps.

Zvon Aug 03 2014 11:35 AM Re: IGT 6/20/14 Mets @ Marlins Dice-Met v. Alvarez

This is the thread with the other block the catcher discussion. I imagine it would be a bitch to merge just selected posts from this one into the other.