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Edgy MD Jul 04 2014 08:50 PM

Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel go from the Cubs to the A's. BOOM! A's send big shot shorstoppin' prospect Addison Russell.

Frayed Knot Jul 04 2014 08:57 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin' Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 04 2014 09:04 PM

That deal's a Wow and a half!! The pre-season polls ranked Russell, a SS, as the 12th (Mayo @ MLB), 3rd (Keith Law), 14th (BA), 7th (BP) & 5th (John Sickels) best prospect in all of baseball IOW, he's considered to be pretty good. Had recently been moved up to AA Midland in the Texas Lg.

Edgy MD Jul 04 2014 09:02 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Details are still spilling out. Don't know the whole package. But Oakland really jacks up there, don't they?

bmfc1 Jul 04 2014 09:03 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Not that I expect Sandy to do anything but theoretically, what would it take to get Starlin Castro?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 04 2014 09:06 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Do we even want Starling Castro? Some dope on wfan said we should trade Muffy Niese and Montero to get him, Joe and Evan were like, good deal.

Frayed Knot Jul 04 2014 09:08 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin' Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 04 2014 09:27 PM

bmfc1 wrote: Not that I expect Sandy to do anything but theoretically, what would it take to get Starlin Castro? Young pitching most likely. Theo's going to want some arms to replace the two he just lost and the Chicago system is just the opposite of ours: not many arms, lotsa bats. As Gary mentioned, the Cubs now have three potentially good young SS: their incumbent Castro, the more power hitting (though having a tough year to date) Javier Baez in their own system at AAA Iowa, and now Russell from Oakland.

Frayed Knot Jul 04 2014 09:14 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin' Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 05 2014 10:52 AM

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Do we even want Starling Castro? Some dope on wfan said we should trade Muffy Niese and Montero to get him, Joe and Evan were like, good deal. Certainly not an 'At any price' kind of guy. As Keith mentioned, occasionally and lackadaisical and erratic defensively. Only 24, but a Sub-.300 OBA last year, and is signed thru 2020 (which could be a good or bad thing depending on how he plays). Joe & Evan are idiots. Benigno in particular thinks whoever ISN'T here now is the shit - and he spent years trying to get rid of Reyes & Beltran when they were here.

bmfc1 Jul 04 2014 09:20 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Castro is far from perfect but the Mets don't have a major league SS so I say Viva Castro!

Edgy MD Jul 04 2014 09:24 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I certainly disagree that the Mets don't have a Major League shortstop. He may not be the best and you can always improve, but he's been every bit a major league shortstop.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 04 2014 09:42 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Of course. Anyone who plays for the Mets is good. If it's us, it's always good. If it's them, then it's bad.

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2014 07:05 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Full details of the A's/Cubs blockbuster seem to be Samardzija & Hammel for * Addison Russell -- SS, 1st round draft pick 2012 (11th overall) out of Fla HS, 20 y/o, Top-10 in all of baseball prospect, currently in AA * Billy McKinney -- OF, 1st round draft pick 2013 (24th overall) out of a Texas HS, 20 y/o next month, currently at A+ * Dan Straily -- RHP, 25 y/o, pitched in parts of the last three seasons w/Oakland, currently at AAA * PtbNL or cash Samardzija is 29 y/o and under club control thru 2015 Hammel will turn 32 in September and can be FA at the end of this season Pretty clear that this is a classic 'Go For it NOW!!!! cuz who know when things will ever look this good again' move by Beane

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 05 2014 07:17 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Of course. Anyone who plays for the Mets is good. If it's us, it's always good. If it's them, then it's bad. That was kind of obnoxious.

bmfc1 Jul 05 2014 10:06 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Let me rephrase so as not to slight the abilities of Ruben Tejada... if you want Mets to pursue Starlin Castro, what do you think it would take to obtain him in a trade? Noah S. too much?

Benjamin Grimm Jul 05 2014 10:31 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I don't think now is a good time to trade Syndergaard. He's been struggling and his value at the moment probably isn't what it was in March and (hopefully) what it will be in the future. Unless the Mets feel that he's in decline and won't bounce back, they shouldn't sell low on him.

Ashie62 Jul 05 2014 10:53 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

bmfc1 wrote: Not that I expect Sandy to do anything but theoretically, what would it take to get Starlin Castro? Less than Addison Russell...

Ashie62 Jul 05 2014 10:55 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I found it odd the Mets talked about Murphy and Astros SS Jonathan Villar... That would likely be an underselling of Murphy...

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2014 11:11 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Ashie62 wrote: I found it odd the Mets talked about Murphy and Astros SS Jonathan Villar... That would likely be an underselling of Murphy... The Mets talked about Murphy & Villar, or leaked notes suggested the Astros speculated about Murphy & Villar?

Edgy MD Jul 05 2014 05:40 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Of course. Anyone who plays for the Mets is good. If it's us, it's always good. If it's them, then it's bad. According to whom?

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2014 05:58 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

bmfc1 wrote: Let me rephrase so as not to slight the abilities of Ruben Tejada... if you want Mets to pursue Starlin Castro, what do you think it would take to obtain him in a trade? Noah S. too much? Yes. NS > SC, IMO

Ashie62 Jul 05 2014 06:38 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Starlin is firmly on Chicago's s--t list.. I'll take Tejada....

Frayed Knot Jul 05 2014 07:04 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I don't know about any shitlist (he may have been last year but his bounce back this season tends to make 2013 look like the outlier rather than the start of a downward spiral), but this deal just gives the Cubs another potential replacement for him -- Russell, Javier Baez (probably not a SS in the long run), Arismendy Alcantara (at AAA Iowa) -- which means the Cubs are likely to be open to dealing him. So for those reasons, plus the shaky defense, plus the lengthy contract (which the current mgmt didn't negotiate but inherited), I don't think it would take a top prospect like Syndergaard to pry him loose. A lesser pitcher maybe as the Cubs system is very light on arms, but not our top guy.

Edgy MD Jul 05 2014 07:06 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

And the Mets might well find some of those other options more appealing.

smg58 Jul 06 2014 06:32 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I think you have to be careful about overpaying for a career year in Castro's case, especially since he was awful last year. The Cubs just got a prospect of comparable value to Syndegaard for two starting pitchers, one of whom (Samardzija) is more valuable than Castro right now. Having said that, Castro is 24, his career norm is an improvement over what we've got, his contract is lengthy but not burdensome, and he could probably switch to second and do just fine if you don't like his glove at short (which has been consistently below average but not brutally so). I wouldn't go all in for him, but I'd talk to the Cubs for sure.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 06 2014 08:36 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

His career norm is something like 3 wins per season, even with the iffy defense... and he's done at least that level of production for four of the past five seasons, including this one. Pitching something serious for him-- like Montero and some low-level stuff-- in the last offseason would have been incredibly ballsy... and smart. If you're dealing Syndergaard (close AND good-to-great AND with strong command), though... you want something like Russell or Baez (or Stanton, or Trout) in return. OE: On further review, if you consider last year as an aberration, that power-- as measured by ISO-- has been climbing pretty steadily (.108, .125, .147, .102, .180) over the last five years. The walk rate's gone roughly the same direction. And he's 24; if the Cubs didn't have a backup of prospects behind him, there wouldn't have been nearly as big a kerfuffle over last year's perceived regression. Maybe he IS worth a Syndergaard.

bmfc1 Jul 06 2014 09:37 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I agree with smg58 and would go "all in" on Castro. And the sooner the better so we can have something to watch as the Mets plod through the summer. John Harper agrees but he and his anonymous sources think that it will take two young pitchers: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1856497

bmfc1 Jul 06 2014 09:38 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

The MFYs obtain Brandon McCarthy from Arizona for Nuno.

Frayed Knot Jul 06 2014 10:57 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

bmfc1 wrote: The MFYs obtain Brandon McCarthy from Arizona for Nuno. Rearranging deck chairs.

Edgy MD Jul 06 2014 12:42 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

The Yanks have also DFA'd Alfonso Soriano, who has had the good grace to be outhit this year by Chris Young. And Eric Young. And Ruben Tejada. And Jacob deGrom.

Benjamin Grimm Jul 06 2014 12:57 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Keith Hernandez says he wants nothing to do with Castro. He wants the Mets to get players who aren't "lackadaisical."

Edgy MD Jul 06 2014 01:30 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Go, Keith. If I'm trading Syndergaard for a shortstop, his name better rhyme with "You-no-quit-ski."

Edgy MD Jul 22 2014 11:36 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Chase Headley, coming to the Bronnix.

seawolf17 Jul 22 2014 12:17 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

For Yangervis Solarte, who hit .299 in April and May and .133 in June and July, and a minor leaguer.

Edgy MD Jul 22 2014 12:23 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Tough break for A-Rod.

Frayed Knot Jul 22 2014 01:11 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

More like poor Kelly Johnson. For a two-month rental--and that's all Headley is at this point, can be FA at end of year--he helps the Yanx more than either of the guys they swapped for him but I doubt he's in their plans beyond that. Solarte, as noted above, was a two-month wonder at the beginning of this season after winning the job by out-playing Eduard Nunez in ST. That got some YLDBs all excited over his future prospects but many of them failed to notice that he's already 27 y/o with a lengthening list of mediocre results in the minors and not really a position to call his own. The pitcher de Paulo also had some pin-striped, prospect watchers all agog after a good season in Low-A ball in 2012, but that trend didn't carry through to A+ or AA in the two years since.

Ashie62 Jul 22 2014 02:13 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Rubinoo just tweeted that the Giants are looking at Colon...all of him Two years ago they would not part with OF Gary Brown.... Brown has stalled at this point and might me a nice flier for us...

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 22 2014 11:30 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Not a bad thought... but two years running-- like, FULL years-- of bad-to-iffy results in a favorable hitting environment (PCL) at a somewhat-advanced age (for prospects) do give one pause.

seawolf17 Jul 23 2014 07:34 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Headley arrives at YS3 midgame, enters in the 8th, gets the walk-off GWRBI in the 14th. That's actually pretty cool.

Frayed Knot Jul 24 2014 06:33 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Texas closer Joakim Soria heads to Detroit for two pitching prospects: 1st round pick (39th overall) in 2013 Corey Knebel, and Jake Thompson (2nd round - 2012) Seems as if the Tiggers have spent this entire AL Central dominating run of theirs looking to solidify the back end of their bullpen. At the moment word is that Soria will set-up for Joe Nathan although it probably wouldn't take too much to nudge Nathan and his near-6.00 ERA and 1.5 WHiP out of the 9th inning. On the other hand, Soria's last act for the Rangers was blowing the save in the 13th inning against the Yanx late Tuesday night.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 24 2014 11:26 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

It's not just me, right-- that's a LOT for a bullpen arm (even one with an okay team option/buyout for next year) in a market with a lot of arm-sellers, yes?

MFS62 Jul 24 2014 01:02 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Dave Sims @TheDaveSimsShow Kendrys Morales obtained from Minnesota for reliever Stephen Pryor. Expected in Seattle Friday. Later

Frayed Knot Jul 24 2014 01:14 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

It's not just me, right-- that's a LOT for a bullpen arm (even one with an okay team option/buyout for next year) in a market with a lot of arm-sellers, yes? Hard to say. Never heard of either one of these guys until just now. Cribbing from John Sickels: Corey Knebel, RHP: ... saved 37 games over three seasons for [U-Texas], posting a 2.06 ERA in 170 innings with a 180/50 K/BB ratio ... moved through the minors very quickly, posting a 1.62 ERA this year in 33 innings between Double-A Erie and Triple-A Toledo, with a 43/17 K/BB. He's already pitched 8.2 big league innings with the Tigers, with 11 hits and seven runs allowed but an 11/3 K/BB. 6-3/195 - 22 y/o. He has classic bullpen stuff with a 93-98 MPH fastball, averaging 95, and a power breaking ball. He has a changeup as well and scouts report that his arsenal is diverse enough for him to start, but funky high-effort mechanics make him a better fit for bullpen work. His command is generally good and he has the mindset needed to be a successful closer. Jake Thompson, RHP: ... [has] been quite successful as a pro and has been effective in 2014, posting a 3.14 ERA in 16 starts for High-A Lakeland with a 79/25 K/BB in 83 innings. Recently promoted to Double-A Erie, he's made two starts in the Eastern League and held his own, with three runs in 11 innings and a 7/4 K/BB. 6-4/235 - 20 y/o. A four-pitch starter, he features a low-90s fastball, a slider, a curveball, and a circle changeup. Although none of his pitches are outstanding, none of them are bad, either, and everything plays up due to solid command. The Tigers managed his workload cautiously but he has the build to be a durable inning-eating starting pitcher. ANALYSIS: I like this for the Rangers but it makes sense for both teams. The Tigers (as usual) are in win-now mode and Soria provides a helpful stretch-run boost for the bullpen. The Tigers use their farm system aggressively for such trades each year, which is what it is there for. From the Rangers point of view, Knebel and Thompson are more likely to be part of the next good Rangers team than Soria is. Knebel should be ready to contribute in the major league pen very soon and Thompson is a very solid prospect who deserves more attention than he's received. The fact that they are both from Texas adds some home state propaganda value. If it all works out, Thompson could be a number three starter and Knebel a closer.

Frayed Knot Jul 24 2014 01:19 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

MFS62 wrote: Dave Sims @TheDaveSimsShow Kendrys Morales obtained from Minnesota for reliever Stephen Pryor. Expected in Seattle Friday. Did Morales even unpack in Minneapolis? They didn't sign him until the 2nd week of June (he was one of those draft/compensation cases). Seattle importing a DH and the Yanx continually looking for pitching are added reminders of just how poorly the seemingly huge (at the time) deal of Michael Pineda for Jesus Montero has turned out for both sides. Lots of injuries, suspensions, and just plain suck!

Edgy MD Jul 24 2014 01:36 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

The Tigers and Rangers seem to like making high-profile deals with each other. They're like the more muscular version of the Mets and Pittsburgh.

bmfc1 Jul 24 2014 01:38 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Frayed Knot wrote: MFS62 wrote: Dave Sims @TheDaveSimsShow Kendrys Morales obtained from Minnesota for reliever Stephen Pryor. Expected in Seattle Friday. Did Morales even unpack in Minneapolis? They didn't sign him until the 2nd week of June (he was one of those draft/compensation cases). Seattle importing a DH and the Yanx continually looking for pitching are added reminders of just how poorly the seemingly huge (at the time) deal of Michael Pineda for Jesus Montero has turned out for both sides. Lots of injuries, suspensions, and just plain suck! The Twins got a AAA pitcher for less than two months of Morales' salary. Seems like good management to me... so why didn't Sandy do it? He didn't have room on the bench for Morales? He'd have to sit Lucas or keep Campbell in AAA?

Edgy MD Jul 24 2014 01:45 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

You really want Kendrys Morales? He's a DH and occasional first baseman in the midst of a disastrous season.

bmfc1 Jul 24 2014 01:59 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Edgy MD wrote: You really want Kendrys Morales? He's a DH and occasional first baseman in the midst of a disastrous season. What? The Mets are averse to having players in the midst of disastrous seasons (see C. Young)? I was thinking that it worked out nicely for the Twins to pick him up for less than two months and then trade him for a prospect.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2014 02:24 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Yes, I think they are averse to players playing terribly. And I think they are doubly averse to paying them $7.25 million (the prorated share of $12 million) to hit terribly. And triply averse to paying them $4 million for two months of dreadful production, whether or not they get a reliever. If the Mets want a reliever, I think they would just sign a reliever. Of all the things to bait the GM over, I wouldn't tout not signing Kendrys Morales. It hasn't turned out well for the Twins at all. He's a DH who has hurt the team as they sunk to last place, and it's cost them real money for the honor.

bmfc1 Jul 24 2014 03:29 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

We can disagree but to me, this was a clever move by the Twins GM.

MFS62 Jul 24 2014 07:03 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

MFYs purchase old pal Chris Capuano. This could have been in the Dynasty Crumbles or Continuing Careers of ex-Mets threads, too. Later

Ashie62 Jul 24 2014 07:20 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Kendrys Morales was becoming a monster for the Angels when he destroyed his ankle. He just hasn't been able to make it back... He is a mediocre option...

Ashie62 Jul 25 2014 04:27 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

So I read Tutlowitzki and Cargo maybe to the Mets...really?

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2014 06:09 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

bmfc1 wrote: We can disagree but to me, this was a clever move by the Twins GM. I dunno, they essentially paid about $2.2 million* for 7 weeks of nothingness from Morales and about 1/3 of a season for a middle reliever who walks nearly 5 per/9 innings. Now if this Pryor guy goes on to be a significant reliever in the future then it becomes a different story, but it's not exactly the way I'd hope my GM goes fishing for bullpen help.. * approx 1/4 of the season of Morales at $10 mil plus a pro-rated portion of the ML minimum for the pitcher

Frayed Knot Jul 25 2014 06:10 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Ashie62 wrote: So I read Tutlowitzki and Cargo maybe to the Mets...really? Mets have apparently told the Rox that if they're of a mind to move those guys then they'd be willing to talk. Not even to the rumor stage yet.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2014 06:40 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I like how Ash comes here for confirmation.

bmfc1 Jul 25 2014 07:51 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I see your point FK, well said, but I think that it was a good risk and I'd like to see Sandy take more risks.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2014 08:51 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Frayed Knot wrote: bmfc1 wrote: We can disagree but to me, this was a clever move by the Twins GM. I dunno, they essentially paid about $2.2 million* for 7 weeks of nothingness from Morales and about 1/3 of a season for a middle reliever who walks nearly 5 per/9 innings. Coming off a serious injury, too.

Edgy MD Jul 25 2014 09:17 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I'm suddenly having strong reservations about Tulo.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2014 01:11 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Jake Peavy suddenly gets real Gigantic -- aka: dealt to SF along with a suitcase full of cash in exchange for two pitching prospects. Matt Cain going on the DL during a tight race with the hated Dodgers has a tendency to light a fire under the GM's seat in the city by the bay.

Frayed Knot Jul 26 2014 01:15 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Edgy MD wrote: I'm suddenly having strong reservations about Tulo. Missing 200+ games over the last three seasons, and being on the DL again now, will tend to do that - and that's even before one factors in the silly haircut

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 26 2014 01:40 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Maybe it's a sign of his extreme focus on the Right Things-- he's so locked in on baseball that he neglects to pay attention to what the barbers are doing on his head.

Frayed Knot Jul 28 2014 12:44 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Speaking of Tulowitski, although he's currently on the DL, he sat in the stands in YSIII on Sunday afternoon while his Rockies were back in Denver hosting the Pirates. An odd move to say the least (both his being in NYC and him choosing to spend the day watching a baseball game) and of course, when you combine that along with his #2 wearing tribute ass, it now has Yanqui fans wondering if it all means a trade is imminent. Speculation as to which marginal minor league relievers they can foist off on Colorado in exchange is now commencing while they recoil at the mere mention of the word Bettances.

sharpie Jul 28 2014 01:53 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Darwin Barney to the Dodgers for PTBNL.

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2014 06:44 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

sharpie wrote: Darwin Barney to the Dodgers for PTBNL. It was a natural selection.

metirish Jul 29 2014 08:16 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Frayed Knot wrote: sharpie wrote: Darwin Barney to the Dodgers for PTBNL. It was a natural selection. well played Sir. Tulo is signed for like what ten more years?, fuck that

Mets – Willets Point Jul 29 2014 08:50 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Edgy MD wrote: I'm suddenly having strong reservations about Tulo. Is it because his eye black absorbs all light and it looks like there are holes in matter on his cheeks?

Frayed Knot Jul 29 2014 09:41 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

metirish wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: sharpie wrote: Darwin Barney to the Dodgers for PTBNL. It was a natural selection. well played Sir. Actually I'm not even sure it was a natural selection (I just couldn't resist the joke). But with Barney not hitting a lick before being DFA'd by the Cubs and with Dee Gordon already at 2B in LA, I'm not really sure what the Dodgers want with Barney except maybe to keep his superior defense away from the rival Giants. SF recently picked up Dan Uggla and he's already made 3 errors in 3 games there bringing him to 12 on the year in just 36 game starts (an annual pace of 54 for an everyday starter). He's also 0-for-8 w/4 Ks since being picked up. I'd make fun of him some more but we have to play the Giants soon and I'm always convinced that Uggla will hit 4 or 5 HRs in the series.

TransMonk Jul 30 2014 12:27 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Justin Masterson heading to Cards The Cleveland Indians have agreed to trade veteran right-hander Justin Masterson to the St. Louis Cardinals, team sources confirmed to ESPN Baseball Insider Jim Bowden. In return, Cleveland will acquire minor league outfielder James Ramsey from the Cards. Masterson, a free agent after this season, is 4-6 with a 5.51 ERA this season for Cleveland. Ramsey, 24, was the 23rd overall pick in the 2012 draft out of Florida State. He's a .266 hitter with a .368 on base percentage in 235 minor-league games. Baseball America ranked him as St. Louis' No. 8 prospect going into this season.

Frayed Knot Jul 30 2014 01:09 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Looks like Ramsey is in the midst of a good year so he's likely moved up a bit in prospect-land since those pre-season ranks. On the other hand he's a 24 y/o in AA so probably not a phenom. Bottom line here is that I'm for any deal where a decent-to-good pitcher does NOT wind up on the Yanquis.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2014 08:03 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Jon Lester to A's, Yoenis Cespedes (!!!) to Red Sox.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 08:16 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

seawolf17 wrote: Jon Lester to A's, Yoenis Cespedes (!!!) to Red Sox. HOLY SHIT!!! I had heard that Beane was still after pitching despite the two starters acquired last month. Lester just a two month rental. Cespedes can be FA after 2015 despite it being only his 4th ML season.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 31 2014 08:16 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Probably against the rules, but it would be nice if there was a conversation like this: "Okay Jon, go win World Series with the A's and then resign with us in it the offseason. Deal?"

HahnSolo Jul 31 2014 08:17 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

BLOCKBUSTER!

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 08:22 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Probably against the rules, but it would be nice if there was a conversation like this: "Okay Jon, go win World Series with the A's and then resign with us in it the offseason. Deal?" Lester has already said that he'd be willing to talk to the Sawx in the winter even if they dealt him away so a return to Beantown is certainly possible. Which isn't to say that there's a formal or even informal deal because they could have all the wink-wink conversations they want but neither side would ever be able to enforce such a thing.

seawolf17 Jul 31 2014 08:25 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Frayed Knot wrote: Probably against the rules, but it would be nice if there was a conversation like this: "Okay Jon, go win World Series with the A's and then resign with us in it the offseason. Deal?" Lester has already said that he'd be willing to talk to the Sawx in the winter even if they dealt him away so a return to Beantown is certainly possible. Which isn't to say that there's a formal or even informal deal because they could have all the wink-wink conversations they want but neither side would ever be able to enforce such a thing. If you're happy where you are -- family, whatnot -- and your team sucks, then I don't see why you wouldn't do that. Go to your GM, say "hey, go get some useful pieces for me, and I'll be back in November."

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 08:32 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Why not? Mike F. Bordick did it. And it was certainly reported down here in the mid-'Lantic, from the time he got dealt, that he went with the hope of resigning with Baltimore in the offseason. Open secret-like. After seeing the heart of Cespedes defensive game being misplaying caroms and redeeming himself with torrid throws, one is excited to see what kind of show he can bring to Fenway.

Vic Sage Jul 31 2014 08:49 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Sure Lester would be willing to go back, if the BoSox will pay him what the FA market values him at this off-season. But Lester has already had substantial discussions with BoSox about an extension, so if the Sox and Lester agreed on his value, they would've extended him instead of trading him. And his price will not go down when he hits the open market.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 09:08 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Vic Sage wrote: But Lester has already had substantial discussions with BoSox about an extension, so if the Sox and Lester agreed on his value, they would've extended him instead of trading him. Unless they're feeling risky and want to have their cake and eat it too.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 09:28 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

btw, the Lester/Cespedes deal also includes Jonny Gomes and cash going to Oakland, with one of those 'competitive balance' draft picks heading Boston's way. It also triggered a side deal where the A's send pitcher Tommy Milone--who was sent to the minors despite pitching really well at the time of the Samardzija trade and had since demanded a trade because of all that--to Minnesota in exchange for OF Sam Fuld. Fuld hasn't been playing too much this year but he's one of those guys that makes the nightly high-light reel on defense whenever he does play.

Ceetar Jul 31 2014 09:30 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

The interesting thing about Fuld is he was claimed by the Twins off waivers earlier this year.....from the As

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 09:33 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Competitive balance picks can be traded. And traded to Boston, of all teams. How absurd is it that these things even exist?

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 10:09 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Edgy MD wrote: Competitive balance picks can be traded. And traded to Boston, of all teams. How absurd is it that these things even exist? I still don't understand exactly how they do work. The one thing I do know is that 'The Competitive Balance Picks' are opening later this summer in a festival headlined by 'Florida-Georgia Line' and 'Government Mule'

seawolf17 Jul 31 2014 10:34 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Vic Sage wrote: Sure Lester would be willing to go back, if the BoSox will pay him what the FA market values him at this off-season. But Lester has already had substantial discussions with BoSox about an extension, so if the Sox and Lester agreed on his value, they would've extended him instead of trading him. And his price will not go down when he hits the open market. But IF there was a wink-wink agreement ("we'll pay you what you want, but let us go get Yoenis Cespedes to play left field for you too and you can spend a two-month vacation playing for a playoff spot") between Lester and the Sox... unenforceable, I know, but certainly not impossible.

Gwreck Jul 31 2014 11:11 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

The Red Sox apparently also traded John Lackey today; to the Cardinals.

Gwreck Jul 31 2014 11:12 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Edgy MD wrote: Competitive balance picks can be traded. And traded to Boston, of all teams. How absurd is it that these things even exist? Not really. It was part of the last CBA with the players' union, right?

smg58 Jul 31 2014 11:54 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Gwreck wrote: The Red Sox apparently also traded John Lackey today; to the Cardinals. The main piece in return was Allen Craig. I kind of like the Red Sox grabbing major league players on down years. Craig might have been worth a look on our end, but Colon isn't pitching as well as Lackey (nor does he have a contact that pays him 500k in his last year -- I can see why that would be enticing for St. Louis).

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 11:57 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Not really. It was part of the last CBA with the players' union, right? Well, yes, I understand that, as they were bargained for under the last agreement, taking that as the only relevant fact, it isn't absurd that they exist. But in light of the federal law's broad condemnation of anti-competitive behavior, the notion that baseball is allowed to act as a cartel to the extent of establishing agreements that in their very name promise to "balance" competition is absurd, if merely a variation on old news.

Ashie62 Jul 31 2014 11:57 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

smg58 wrote: Gwreck wrote: The Red Sox apparently also traded John Lackey today; to the Cardinals. The main piece in return was Allen Craig. I kind of like the Red Sox grabbing major league players on down years. Craig might have been worth a look on our end, but Colon isn't pitching as well as Lackey (nor does he have a contact that pays him 500k in his last year -- I can see why that would be enticing for St. Louis). The Red Sox get Joe Kelly also.... Part of me believes in time Kelly is better than Lackey anyway...

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 12:12 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

HRs in 2014 Cespedes = 17 Entire Boston OF = 14

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 12:25 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

seawolf17 wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Sure Lester would be willing to go back, if the BoSox will pay him what the FA market values him at this off-season. But Lester has already had substantial discussions with BoSox about an extension, so if the Sox and Lester agreed on his value, they would've extended him instead of trading him. And his price will not go down when he hits the open market. But IF there was a wink-wink agreement ("we'll pay you what you want, but let us go get Yoenis Cespedes to play left field for you too and you can spend a two-month vacation playing for a playoff spot") between Lester and the Sox... unenforceable, I know, but certainly not impossible. Lester might get a $100 million deal this winter. To believe that such an agreement is in place he'd have to pass up that opportunity to sign that now in favor of playing 1/3 of a season elsewhere while hoping that injury, bad performance, or Boston mgmt changing their minds/being replaced won't cause the offer to change and/or go away. That the two sides may have parted on good terms with promises to speak again after the season? ... Sure. That it's a done deal? ... Not a chance.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 12:33 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I don't understand why there has to be anything "wink-wink" about it. If he's their property before the deal, they are free to talk about anything they want and agree in principle to anything they want. And naturally, even if they arrive at a figure he'd be willing to jump at in the offseason --- after the Sox have gotten their healthy package and Lester has gotten his post-season $$ --- if his performance changes post-trade, neither party would be particularly bound by whatever the theoretical understanding was.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2014 12:49 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

What's not to understand about wink-wink? Wink- wink makes the earth spin every day?

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 01:04 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Deadline is 4:30, right?

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2014 01:11 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Not sure about the time. I try not to get consumed by all this bbbyyy.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 31 2014 01:23 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I hope Allen Craig and Will Middlebrooks can avoid falling over one another.

Ceetar Jul 31 2014 01:23 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

4pm eastern daylight time. Nats did some sort of SS swap to play the uh..great..Asdrubal CAbrera at 2B.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2014 01:23 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

4:00, I think.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2014 01:25 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin' Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2014 01:28 PM

They're reading tweets by people in the know that contain no real news like it's news! GET CONNECTED, SAY STUFF, FOLLOW MEEEE!

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 01:27 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I hope Allen Craig and Will Middlebrooks can avoid falling over one another. Good one!

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 01:37 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Cleveland SS Asdrubal Cabrera to the Nationals for Zach Walters. Cabrera almost certainly to play 2B for the Nats while Rendon mans 3B as Zimmerman is likely out for the majority of the season w/a serious hamstring issue. It also moves Danny Espinosa to the bench. Walters is younger (24) and more of an all-purpose guy with some pop but wasn't hitting this year and had been up and down between DC & Syracuse.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 01:42 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Hopefully Rendon won't find the game too boring back over at third.

d'Kong76 Jul 31 2014 01:43 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Marlon Byrd #nogoing #byebyebyrdy #collusion

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 31 2014 02:05 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Seeing bulletins here that the Tigers are getting David Price in a three-way deal. More to come.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 31 2014 02:07 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Sounds like Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly are involved in the deal.

Ceetar Jul 31 2014 02:10 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Sounds like Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly are involved in the deal. And Nick Franklin as the grease.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 02:17 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

I figured that Price was going to stay as long as the Rays were streaking - but I guess we'll have to see how all the chips land on this one.

Gwreck Jul 31 2014 02:21 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

They pulled Jackson from the field in the middle of an inning so he's definitely going.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2014 02:24 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Smyly and Franklin is a pretty decent haul for a walk-year Price.

Gwreck Jul 31 2014 02:26 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin' Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2014 02:27 PM

Price is [crossout:2ebx0fyd]under contract for 2015 as well.[/crossout:2ebx0fyd] not eligible for free agency until after 2015.

Edgy MD Jul 31 2014 02:27 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Seeing bulletins here that the Tigers are getting David Price in a three-way deal. More to come. Perverts.

Ceetar Jul 31 2014 02:31 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Also getting some Tigers SS prospect, Adame or some such. Kelly Johnson (BOS) is presumably now on a plane with the Yankees to travel to Fenway Park where Stephen Drew (NYY) is waiting naked in a hallway where they ripped off all his Red Sox stuff.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 02:47 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Ceetar wrote: Kelly Johnson (BOS) is presumably now on a plane with the Yankees to travel to Fenway Park where Stephen Drew (NYY) is waiting naked in a hallway where they ripped off all his Red Sox stuff. Whoa, can't say I saw that one coming. I don't suspect L'il Willets can be too happy here. I suspect it'll be Kelly Johnson to 3B and the Sox will slide Bogaerts over to SS, and we already know there's no way that Drew is going to play SS in the Bronx; not this year anyway. Yanx also get Martin Prado from the Snakes in exchange for one of their catching prospects.

Ceetar Jul 31 2014 03:01 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Prado hasn't been real good and that catching prospect HAS looked good. Of course, they have McCann and two more years of Texiera at 1B so I guess they can spare him.

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 03:08 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

So with the deadline and hour or so in the rearview mirror, unless there are uncounted votes still coming in from some of the rural precincts, I guess Bartolo will get to try for career victory #200 in a Met uniform after all ... and Muffy gets to try for the single-season NYM doubles mark.

themetfairy Jul 31 2014 03:35 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Yanx also get Martin Prado from the Snakes in exchange for one of their catching prospects. The Devil Gets Prado. Martin Prado to the MFY's from the D'Backs in exchange for AA level home run hitting catcher/first baseman Peter O'Brien.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 31 2014 04:03 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

themetfairy wrote: Yanx also get Martin Prado from the Snakes in exchange for one of their catching prospects. The Devil Gets Prado. BRILLIANT!

themetfairy Jul 31 2014 04:24 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Thanks :)

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 04:52 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Ceetar wrote: Prado hasn't been real good and that catching prospect HAS looked good. Of course, they have McCann and two more years of Texiera at 1B so I guess they can spare him. Yanx always seem to have highly touted catching prospects but none ever seem to blossom. Dioneer Navarro, originally a MFY prospect, has carved out an OK career for himself but he's the only one since Posada and Jorge was an infielder during much of his minor league career.

Mets – Willets Point Jul 31 2014 06:03 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

The Red Sox bring WATP to life!

Frayed Knot Jul 31 2014 08:01 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

So how many have left the Sox just in the last few days? -- Doubront, Lackey, Lester, Gomes, Miller, Drew, plus the always popular Mr. Cash ... I think that's it, but that's enough for one week. Last one out kill the lights. On the flip side, one would think Cherington et al plan on a very active off-season.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2014 06:51 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Good thing the Phils priced Cliff Lee so high, huh?

Edgy MD Aug 01 2014 07:18 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

That's a whole lot of salary the Phils are going to be laying out for past performances over the next few years. We kinda needed Cliff Lee to help the Phils pick off teams ahead of the Mets.

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2014 11:03 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Ceetar wrote: Prado hasn't been real good [career worst 686 OPS Y-t-D in fact] Well then it's a good thing he's not signed for the next 2-1/2 seasons and owed some $25 million or anything ... oh wait! The bad news for the DBacks on Prado is that they bought high (was a main cog in the Justin Upton deal right after Prado's All-Star season for Atlanta), then overpaid him with a 4-year/$40 mil contract, and now are selling low (a minor league "catcher" w/power but no real position). The good news is that they got some other team to absorb more than 60% of that deal and give them a professional ballplayer in return.

Edgy MD Aug 01 2014 12:38 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Not a "deal" per se, but the suddenly stacked-with-pitchin' Oakland Athletics released Jimmy Johnson outright, eating a third of this $10 million deal. The guy had saved 101 games the last two years. Reason number 29 in why you don't invest big in closers.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 01 2014 02:54 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Gwreck wrote: Price is [crossout]under contract for 2015 as well.[/crossout] not eligible for free agency until after 2015. I take back the kudos then. Weird move, especially considering how well they've been playing for the last two months.

Mets – Willets Point Aug 01 2014 06:11 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Frayed Knot wrote: I suspect it'll be Kelly Johnson to 3B and the Sox will slide Bogaerts over to SS, and we already know there's no way that Drew is going to play SS in the Bronx; not this year anyway. Drew would be good to bring in as a late-inning defensive replacement for Jeter. I know that's heresy in Bronx. "But Jeter is a Gold Glove shortstop. He's got five rings, baby!"

Frayed Knot Aug 01 2014 06:21 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

No doubt Drew is a better glove man than St Derek of Jeteria and will start at SS on the odd Jeter day off/DH start, but the Yanx don't really swap out Jeter mid-game. He doesn't run as well as he used to but he still moves better than most of the Clydesdales they have on that squad; it's the AL so you don't ever double-switch; and if they want to improve their 'D' there are several guys they'd move before him. Plus Jeter has never played an inning in his entire career at a position other than SS (and the occasional DH) and, although no one there will say so, I suspect he desperately wants to retire with that on his record.

Ashie62 Aug 01 2014 08:32 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Texeira Drew Jeter Headley?

Frayed Knot Aug 08 2014 03:04 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Post-deadliney deals: Marlins deal RHP Jacob Turner to the Cubs in exchange for two Class-A relievers. Turner is a former #9 overall pick (Tigers - 2009) out of a St Louis HS and was consistently a Top-25 prospect over the 2010-2012 period. The Cubs will mark the 23 y/o Turner's 3rd organization, having been dealt to Miami in the Anibal Sanchez deal in mid-2012, and they plan to use him in their ML rotation starting immediately.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2014 02:53 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Jon Heyman reporting that Jon Niese and Curtis Granderson have cleared waivers. No word (yet) on whether Bartolo Colon has cleared. This very likely means nothing at all, but, for whatever little it's worth, there you have it.

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2014 03:19 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Granderson definitely means nothing. Niese probably means nothing as, even if the Mets were inclined to deal him in an attempt for an SS or LF, I suspect that would be more an off-season type of thing than a stretch-drive move. Colon would mean something as it would expand the pool of trading partners. He could still be dealt w/o clearing waivers but only to the claiming team and that claiming team might just be pulling a blocking move.

Edgy MD Aug 11 2014 06:22 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Frayed Knot wrote: Plus Jeter has never played an inning in his entire career at a position other than SS (and the occasional DH) and, although no one there will say so, I suspect he desperately wants to retire with that on his record. Back when Omar Vizquel was one of the four or five best defensive shortstops ever to take the field, Joe Torre was forced to put together an all-star team with four shortstops. Of course, Vizquel was the one he played at second.

Frayed Knot Aug 11 2014 06:26 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Josh Willingham from Minnesota to the Royals. Only batting .210 now at age 35 (.253 lifetime) but still knows the strike zone (.345 OBA) and still packs some punch (18 XBH including 12 HRs out of his 47 hits)

Ashie62 Aug 11 2014 06:33 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Granderson Niese clear waivers... [url]http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24656463/mets-vets-granderson-and-niese-clear-waivers-and-can-be-traded-now

John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 12 2014 12:06 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Verlander goes down for Tigers. Wonder if Colon would interest them?

Frayed Knot Aug 12 2014 04:58 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

No damage to Verlander's shoulder, "only 1 to 2 starts" missed ... at least as of now. IOW, more deGrom than Santana so far. The bigger problem for Detroit is that Verlander wasn't that good prior to this problem. And that Anibal Sanchez is DL'd. And that the just acquired Jochim Soria is DL'd. And that Joe Nathan is 64 y/o and blows about as many saves and he saves. And ...

Ashie62 Aug 13 2014 10:04 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Anybody want Granderson???

Ceetar Aug 13 2014 10:09 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Ashie62 wrote: Anybody want Granderson??? a lot of people I'd imagine. But on the other hand, there are other guys out there to get under your own contract terms too.

Edgy MD Aug 13 2014 10:11 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Sheesh, I'd like two of them.

Edgy MD Aug 21 2014 04:03 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Gordon Beckham goes from the Whities to the Angels for cash and a PtBNL.

Frayed Knot Aug 21 2014 07:17 PM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Beckham was an 8th overall draft pick back in 2008 as a SS out of Univ of Georgia*. But he didn't stay at SS and now nearly six full seasons of .244/.306/.374 later it was probably time for the ChiSox to cut ties. What I remember when he first came up was his big, blondish mop of Kennedy-esque hair. Maybe cropping as he got older is what became his undoing, who knows. * although oddly enough was not the first SS from the state of Georgia or even the first Beckham picked that year. The unrelated Tim Beckham, a SS out of a Georgia HS, was the 1/1 pick that year by Tampa and, until looking him up just now, I had thought he was among the rare few 1/1 picks never to play in the majors. But it turns out he did get a cuppa coffee (7 ABs) late last year. He's just now getting back to minor league work after a lengthy injury rehab but is almost certain never to be the star you'd want out of a top pick.

Edgy MD Oct 24 2014 08:13 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Hey kids, grab a deadline deal in this thread and find out how it worked out! Kendrys Morales down the stretch for the Twins: 162 PA: .234 / .259 / .325 // .584. Gulp!

MFS62 Oct 24 2014 08:21 AM Re: Deadliney Dealin'

Edgy MD wrote: Hey kids, grab a deadline deal in this thread and find out how it worked out! Kendrys Morales down the stretch for the Twins: 162 PA: .234 / .259 / .325 // .584. Gulp! Josh Willingham going from the Twins to the Royals has worked out just fine for Willingham. Later