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Bye-bye Bartolo?

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 14 2014 11:34 AM

Several reports that the Mets are taking calls on Colon. He's 41 and will be paid $9 million this season, and $11 million for next season. Questions: 1) What would you want in return? 2) Would this be a sign of throwing in the towel? 3) Or, is this a sign that our young hurlers are ready to step up? 4) Would you then have a rotation of Niese, Wheeler, Gee, de Grom, Matsuzaka? Do you give Snydergaard or Montero a shot instead? Does Hafner get a shot at reclaiming his roster spot? 5) If you decide not to deal, do you see a place for Colon on team next season? 6) Is there the potential for a better deal in the off-season?

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 11:38 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

It certainly wouldn't be throwing in the towel. His job was always to hold down a slot in the rotation until it fills with younger arms. It's filling.

seawolf17 Jul 14 2014 11:42 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I'd trade him in a second if we can get a usable part or two for him.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 11:46 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I imagine we can get something more than a usable part. A solid and effective part, I would conject.

Ceetar Jul 14 2014 11:48 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Questions: 1) Good stuff. Quality LFer? low-level (non-40 man ready) high-ceiling prospects? 2) no. 3) more likely. 4) Hefner won't be ready this season. Niese, Gee, deGrom, Montero, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matsuzaka, even Mejia. take your pick. 5) yes. always room for pitchers. pitching depth is key. Of those potential rotation guys, I'd probably take the over on at least one of them needing surgery between now and next year. 6) Potential yes, but you never know.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 11:57 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

That's the first I've heard that Hefner won't appear in 2014. No way is Mejia being pulled from the pen.

Ceetar Jul 14 2014 12:01 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Edgy MD wrote: That's the first I've heard that Hefner won't appear in 2014. No way is Mejia being pulled from the pen. I don't have the exact dates, but Harvey had the surgery mid-October and Hefner early September. While no one cares as much about Hefner's arm, there's little extra incentive for him to rush back either, and the same 14-16 month optimal recovery period puts him into the offseason as well. I doubt Mejia is pulled from the pen either, but he could be, and probably should be, given the respective value of starters to relievers.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2014 12:09 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

- aside from the caveat that you can't trade a player you sign to a FA contract for the first half-season (without his permission anyway), I think the Mets have been willing to listen to offers for Colon since about five minutes after signing him. IOW, I doubt there's any new news here, only that it's the time of year for this sort of speculation. 1) I think, and Sandy has more or less specifically said, that the mode of the Mets right now is not to deal vets for down-the-road types of prospects but rather more ready to plug in pieces, or at least something closer to that end than the two+ years away Wheeler or Syndergaard were at the times of their trades. IOW, adjust your trade wants toward that way of thinking if you're trying to predict what comes back. 2) Not if #1 is achieved 3) deGrom's emergence certainly helps you cover the hole that trading Colon would blow in the rotation, but I don't think it's a direct link 4) Matuszaka for now, Sydergaard and/or Montero and/or Hefner if/when they show they're ready. 5) It's not like there are only two extremes here: trade him now or keep him through 2015. If not traded this month he'll have a spot on the roster as long as he proves worthy of one or until a better offer shows up 6) Yes ... or no. One or the other.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2014 12:12 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Hef's already making rehab appearances, not that I necessarily believe he has the stuff to crack our starting 5 even before he was hurt. That said he could easily part of a post-Colon rotation solution, along with some of the younguns mentioned. I think Niee's health might wind up dictating how many of these guys they move ultimately. Metsblog with typically confused perspective speculating that the Cubs might want a 41 year old pitcher so badly they'd give up Starlin Castro, and that Castro would be "perfect" for the Mets.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 12:13 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Ceetar wrote: I doubt Mejia is pulled from the pen either, but he could be, and probably should be, given the respective value of starters to relievers. That implies that there are five capable pitchers. There are more. That's the point. I don't doubt that Mejia will be pulled. I believe that we will see Jeff Francouer start a game for the SHaMs before we see Mejia do so. Such is the nature of my deep and abiding faith.

Gwreck Jul 14 2014 12:20 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I was not a fan of the Colon deal when it happened and any chance we have to avoid paying him $11 million next year seems like a good idea to me. I bet there are a lot of better uses for that money in the offseason. I guess it could be seen as "giving up" but even after a great homestand we have a 16% chance of making the playoffs. I doubt Hefner pitches any meaningful innings in the majors this year. And yes, I am fine with promoting Syndergaard or Montero.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2014 12:26 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I'd keep Colon but we have the depth to trade him if something like an MLB level power bat came about... Hefner pitched one inning of a simulated game the other day.. think 2015..

Ashie62 Jul 14 2014 12:31 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Here is the rumor link [url]http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/439492/mets-have-made-sp-bartolo-colon-available

TransMonk Jul 14 2014 12:34 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

1) A quality major-leaguer (preferably SS or LF) who is younger and cheaper. 2) IMO, signing BC was throwing in the towel. 3) To some extent, the young hurlers have already stepped up. There are enough arms for the innings that the Mets have left this season (and next) without BC. 4) I'm not sure Snydergaard or Montero are ready yet, but everyone should get a shot when they are. 5) To me, BC on the 2015 roster would be a bad sign unless he is just an innings eater behind Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, et al...and $11M is a lot for an innings eater. 6) Doubtful. Unless he can pitch like he did in June for the remainder of the season, I have to think is value is higher now.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 12:37 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Why was signing Colon throwing in the towel?

Ceetar Jul 14 2014 12:38 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I doubt Mejia is pulled from the pen either, but he could be, and probably should be, given the respective value of starters to relievers. That implies that there are five capable pitchers. There are more. That's the point. I don't doubt that Mejia will be pulled. I believe that we will see Jeff Francouer start a game for the SHaMs before we see Mejia do so. Such is the nature of my deep and abiding faith. Yes, and Mejia was one of those capable pitchers for the Mets this season. People get hurt. shut down. shuffled around. I already saw a post (Times i think) about Mejia and Parnell competing for the closers job next year. Great problem to have if it comes to that. But for now, the Mets are still starting the mostly effective but not part of the future Matsuzaka. Niese has been battling injury. Someone could get traded. Mejia should be at least on the depth chart for starters. Particularly above non-40 man guys like Lannan who might show up again.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 12:48 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

But for now, the Mets are still starting the mostly effective but not part of the future Matsuzaka. The idea is to win, right? Mejia should be at least on the depth chart for starters. Particularly above non-40 man guys like Lannan who might show up again. Mejia starts in 2014: 7 Lannan starts in 2014: 0 The team has solved problems and here we are fabricating problems they don't have. There is a surfeit of quality young pitchers. More than five. Some will necessarily be needed to staff the pen. That's a reality.

TransMonk Jul 14 2014 01:17 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Edgy MD wrote: Why was signing Colon throwing in the towel? Sorry...not exactly what I meant. I know you and I have differing views on this, but I realistically threw in the towel when it was clear Harvey was going to miss 2014. Management tried to sell Colon as capable for filling in for Harvey...but Colon (as good as he was in 2013) is not Harvey. For me, the Colon signing was Mets management picking up the towel I had thrown and saying "Wait, wait...but, we signed Colon...he's good! Buy some tickets!". If management really had intentions on winning a division in 2014, I would have thought they would have been more creative on offense and not spent $20M on two seasons of a post-40 year old pitcher.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2014 01:42 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Mejia is the closer..... I like Colon...he's cute.... We are going to challenge Washington for first.. play to win... relax!

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2014 02:50 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

And yet Colon has been quite necessary for 2014 and quite capable.

Mets Guy in Michigan Jul 14 2014 02:54 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Frayed Knot wrote: And yet Colon has been quite necessary for 2014 and quite capable. Absolutely. I wasn't trying to give him the boot. I just was wondering if he was at potential peak value and if the benefits of trading outweighed the benefits of keeping.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 14 2014 03:06 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Colon and Dice K are that much more expendable with the sudden emergence of deGrom.

batmagadanleadoff Jul 14 2014 03:11 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Colon and Dice K are that much more expendable with the sudden emergence of deGrom. I'd look to trade Colon as soon as I can. He's old and very overweight. And even though he's effective, relying on a pitcher like Colon is like driving on a bald tire: you might get to where you're going but the tire can just the same, blow out at any second.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2014 03:19 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: And yet Colon has been quite necessary for 2014 and quite capable. Absolutely. I wasn't trying to give him the boot. I just was wondering if he was at potential peak value and if the benefits of trading outweighed the benefits of keeping. I was more addressing some of the recent posts that Colon's original signing was a bad or a give-up move. Look, whether the raw numbers offend us or not, $10 million/year is more or less the going rate for middle of the rotation starters on the open market - and Colon has been every bit the solid starter to date: made all his starts, avg of nearly 7 innings/start, sub-4.00 ERA, 1.18 WHiP. IOW, I'm not buying that this was some kind of white towel signing nor do I think it was sold as a Harvey replacement. Of course it was partly done because Harvey was going to be out, but that doesn't mean he was there to duplicate Harvey. Hell, if Harvey were never injured his 2014 season was unlikely to duplicate what he did in 2013. That doesn't mean you don't listen to or even troll for offers as obviously he has a limited shelf life. But I think it's clear that it wouldn't be some sort of addition by subtraction move that you want to make as soon as possible.

TransMonk Jul 14 2014 05:03 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I'm not sure he is necessary...especially with less than 70 games left in 2014. He may be capable, but look at the other Mets starters' ERAs. Colon's being the worst among them gives me hope for the future. I hope the Mets can get as much for him as they can. But I'm not convinced he was a value signing.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 05:31 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Fangraphs says he's already given 'em $6 million in value.

Zvon Jul 14 2014 05:34 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

TransMonk wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Why was signing Colon throwing in the towel? Sorry...not exactly what I meant. I know you and I have differing views on this, but I realistically threw in the towel when it was clear Harvey was going to miss 2014. Management tried to sell Colon as capable for filling in for Harvey...but Colon (as good as he was in 2013) is not Harvey. For me, the Colon signing was Mets management picking up the towel I had thrown and saying "Wait, wait...but, we signed Colon...he's good! Buy some tickets!". If management really had intentions on winning a division in 2014, I would have thought they would have been more creative on offense and not spent $20M on two seasons of a post-40 year old pitcher. I totally agree with this assessment in that I felt exactly the same way. To me Colon was a stop-gap and not a go-for-it type of move. I fully expect him to be gone before next season. When? I don't care. I only hope we get something good that we need out of it. Granted, he has given us some great innings, big wins, etc. But the blown tire theory Batmags brought up is a good analogy as to how I feel about him over the full 2 yrs.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 06:43 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

What would have represented a go-for-it move? Tanaka?

Ashie62 Jul 14 2014 06:46 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Wtf is wrong with Bartolo Colon??? He is still very effective, durable and cheap, yes, cheap.

TransMonk Jul 14 2014 06:52 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

There's nothing wrong with Colon...but nothing great either. I don't think he is the future...so I'd get something for him now if they can.

Lefty Specialist Jul 14 2014 07:03 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Ashie62 wrote: Wtf is wrong with Bartolo Colon??? I would miss this.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2014 07:20 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

That tire is certainly not bald.

Ashie62 Jul 14 2014 07:31 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Ok.. I guess he eats more than innings... More than a few boilers on this board also lol...

Zvon Jul 14 2014 08:26 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Ashie62 wrote: Wtf is wrong with Bartolo Colon??? He is still very effective, durable and cheap, yes, cheap. Nothing wrong with him. And I'm thrilled with what we have gotten out of him. Just not a guy that excites me in the long run. A go-for-it move would have involved not going the cheap route.

Edgy MD Jul 14 2014 09:23 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

There was nothing cheap about the route. I don't understand. They invested, and it's paying off. Which move was preferable? I mean, he's not a guy that excites you in the long run. Well, me neither, but great, because they didn't sign him for the long run.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2014 09:59 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

"Cheap route" is not terribly descriptive. But I think he's saying we could have been in it for the presumed high-ceiling difference makers (Tanaka, Ellsbury, etc... or a high-stakes-gambling sort of trade) instead of for solid role-fillers.

Centerfield Jul 15 2014 07:52 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I didn't like the second year at the time. I would have preferred to give more money (say $12 million) for a shorter commitment. But in fact that second year may be the reason we get some value for him now. If they are able to turn Colon into a good LF or SS, they should jump at it now. And if they do that, this will have been a great move. Not a good move, a great move. It is exactly the type of maneuvering I was hoping for when Alderson was hired.

d'Kong76 Jul 15 2014 08:21 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Centerfield wrote: If they are able to turn Colon into a good LF or SS Now THAT would quite the feat!

seawolf17 Jul 15 2014 08:23 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

He's already a better hitter than Rey Ordonez. HEYOOOOOOOOOOO

d'Kong76 Jul 15 2014 09:02 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Buh dum ching!!

Frayed Knot Jul 15 2014 09:30 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

OK, when I say that Bartolo was necessary it didn't mean specifically that HE was necessary, only that somebody was and he was one of a short list of somebodies - the Bartolo Bunch if you will despite the fact that this winter's group admittedly aren't as outwardly similar as the 'Benson Bunch' of years gone by (even considering Bronson Arroyo's hair of gold) But this was the crew (chime in if I've missed any) who were available via FA-gency last winter, so chances are if the Mets didn't sign Bartolo they were going to have to sign someone. So far things have worked out fairly well with the one we did sign, starting with the fact that Colon has made all of his starts--something Niese & Gee haven't been able to do, Mejia was pulled from doing, Matsuzaka hasn't done that well, and Montero, Syndergaard, or deGrom weren't ready to do. And by looking at the other contracts, I don't quite get the "going cheap" comments; only Tanaka was substantially more expensive and I think we all knew the Wilpons weren't going there (and maybe that's a good thing based on this week's developments) and it's tough to complain about Bartolo representing the cheap route and being overpaid at the same time. So here's the Bartolo Bunch with contract outlines and Y-t-D starts, ERA & WHiP (bold numbers show where the numbers are superior to Colon's 3.99 ERA, 1.18 WHIP) PITCHER AGE YRs $$/Yr TEAM GS ERA WHIP UBALDO JIMINEZ 30 4 12.50 BALT 18 4.52 1.54 HIROKI KURODA 29 1 16.00 YANX 19 4.10 1.21 HIRO TANAKA 25 7 22.14 YANX 18 2.51 1.01 ERVIN SANTANA 31 1 14.00 ATL 17 4.01 1.26 TIM HUDSON 38 2 11.50 SFG 18 2.87 1.10 JOSH JOHNSON 29 1 8.00 TOR 0 —- —- DAN HAREN 33 1 10.00 LAD 19 4.23 1.27 RICKY NOLASCO 31 4 12.25 MINN 18 5.90 1.62 PHIL HUGHES 28 3 8.00 MINN 19 3.92 1.21 SCOTT KAZMIR 30 2 11.00 OAK 19 2.38 0.98 SCOTT FELDMAN 31 3 10.00 HOU 16 4.33 1.37 MIKE PELFREY 30 2 5.50 MINN 5 7.99 1.99 MATT GARZA 30 4 12.50 MILW 19 3.69 1.18 BRONSON ARROYO 37 2 11.75 ARZ 14 4.08 1.29 AJ BURNETT 37 2 11.25 PHIL 20 3.83 1.33 So the ones clearly better so far are -- Tanaka - although the elbow injury throws all that into question; Hudson - although not much younger and coming off a broken ankle was at least as big a risk; Kazmir - virtually the same deal by the team that let Colon go, he's certainly younger and fitter although arguably less durable and one of the rumored reasons Oakland was so keen on the Samardzija deal was due to questions about Kazmir's durability; or about the same -- Hughes - so far anyway, and yet still the counter will be made about how he wouldn't have been able to do this in New York Garza - for twice the length .. plus, do you want to look at that facial hair for the next four years?!? Burnett - ummm. whatever Meanwhile Josh Johnson never got out of ST and will miss the entire season, Pelfrey's been a disaster, Arroyo just went down to TJ surgery, Jimenez has been markedly worse, Santana would have cost a draft pick on top of the money, and none of those signings look as bad right now as Ricky Nolasco's.

metirish Jul 15 2014 11:19 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-looki ... via-trade/

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 15 2014 12:06 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-looking-for-ss-and-lf-help-via-trade/ Yes that's the dumb article I referred to above combining various press reports and opinion columns out of context, making unlikely scenarios look logical. I goptta say I tip my hat to the "effort" they make over there but the lack of a perspective and the tendency of aggregated content to give the same weight to any topic no matter how dumb makes Metsblog one of the worst places to go if you want to understand what's happening if one of the best to know what's out there.

Frayed Knot Jul 15 2014 12:11 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

metirish wrote: http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-looking-for-ss-and-lf-help-via-trade/ All MetsBlog is doing there (Hell, all they EVER do really) is merely repeating and linking the original Adam Rubin line which I'm sure is the one that got this thread started in the first place: - namely that as we approach the July 31st deadline the Mets "will listen on trade proposals involving Bartolo Colon" (no surprise there) ... - and that they "MAY ultimately end up dealing him" (or maybe not) ... - and that if they do deal him they'd be looking for close-to-ready type players (Sandy has said as much publicly) - and that their preference would be either a SS upgrade or a bat for LF (logical assumptions).

Ceetar Jul 15 2014 01:33 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Plenty of other sites do it too, and it's even worse without the ESPN in the headline because it's so easy to let it scroll by not realizing you've just seen two instances of the same story rather than multiple reports about a story.

Frayed Knot Jul 15 2014 09:26 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Ceetar wrote: Plenty of other sites do it too, and it's even worse without the ESPN in the headline because it's so easy to let it scroll by not realizing you've just seen two instances of the same story rather than multiple reports about a story. A long ago site that some of us here used to belonged to long ago had its share of, shall we say, over-anxious teenage types who just scarfed down every rumor as if chiseled in stone fact. So when a trade possibility was floated, by say, the Daily News, many of them expected that trade to be completed by the end of the day and acted as if they had been lied to if it didn't come off. It then got even worse if ESPN's website picked up on that "report" as most then acted as if this was Woodward and Bernstein's vaunted "second source" without ever noticing that this was nothing more than ESPN saying that the Daily News said ... And for what it's worth, Metsblog is citing various reports saying that the Yankees, A’s, Blue Jays, Angels, Orioles, Brewers, Indians, Pirates and Mariners as those possibly on the Colon trail. So if y'all want to contemplate what any of those teams have in trade return, go nuts.

MFS62 Jul 15 2014 09:37 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

I'm not going to speculate or contemplate. But if they do trade ol' Jelly Belly, I'll kinda' miss him. He looks like a slow pitch softball player out there. Later

Ceetar Jul 16 2014 07:12 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

The problem here is that it's not a problem to most. There are legitimately fans out there that will have more fun this season discussing single A prospects and debating these sorts of trade rumors. It's not an accident that these sports shows/ESPN so often focus on polarizing debates of menial topics, though which is the chicken and which is the egg I don't know.. And to each his own certainly, but all these adherents to minor leaguers and process seem to be missing the point, which is the Mets themselves, on the field. Or spend endless hours analyzing each rumor and trade prospect. Seemingly spending more time thinking about and discussing what Colon can get for us in trade than actually watching him get us wins. I dunno, watching each guy like he's a commodity in the stock exchange just seems a little disconnected from the emotions and human aspects of the game that make it so great. I want to root for Colon to beat the Braves because they're the dreaded enemy on the field and need to be vanquished, not because a win pushes up his trade value. Seems a bit like spending hours crafting a great beer recipe, organizing the ingredients, adding them to the wort..and then having little interest in actually drinking the beer. Of course, a lot of that is people tricking themselves so they don't get hurt by investing emotions in a team that's got a higher percentage chance to fail than most. You don't hear quite as much about prospects and random trade projections on teams that are really in the thick of things.

Edgy MD Jul 16 2014 07:20 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Ceetar wrote: I want to root for Colon to beat the Braves because they're the dreaded enemy on the field and need to be vanquished, not because a win pushes up his trade value. I certainly agree.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 16 2014 11:32 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I want to root for Colon to beat the Braves because they're the dreaded enemy on the field and need to be vanquished, not because a win pushes up his trade value. I certainly agree. Fuck all y'all and that noise. I live for Sportscenter-highlight-makin' trade value.

Ceetar Jul 16 2014 11:46 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I want to root for Colon to beat the Braves because they're the dreaded enemy on the field and need to be vanquished, not because a win pushes up his trade value. I certainly agree. Fuck all y'all and that noise. I live for Sportscenter-highlight-makin' trade value. When I was looking for the HRD the other night I had to consult the guide to figure out which station ESPN was.

Centerfield Jul 16 2014 02:14 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Frayed Knot wrote: http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-looking-for-ss-and-lf-help-via-trade/ All MetsBlog is doing there (Hell, all they EVER do really) is merely repeating and linking the original Adam Rubin line which I'm sure is the one that got this thread started in the first place: - namely that as we approach the July 31st deadline the Mets "will listen on trade proposals involving Bartolo Colon" (no surprise there) ... - and that they "MAY ultimately end up dealing him" (or maybe not) ... - and that if they do deal him they'd be looking for close-to-ready type players (Sandy has said as much publicly) - and that their preference would be either a SS upgrade or a bat for LF (logical assumptions). Wait, so you are looking for a Mets-related blog that does not re-link others' material, and offers, instead, original, entertaining, sometimes heartfelt material about our beloved team? Good luck with that. And if you do happen to find such a site, also find me a site that lists all the numbers ever worn by any Met, or better yet, a site that has every Met statistic ever, including the box score of every game in Met history.

seawolf17 Jul 16 2014 02:37 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Centerfield wrote: http://metsblog.com/metsblog/mets-looking-for-ss-and-lf-help-via-trade/ All MetsBlog is doing there (Hell, all they EVER do really) is merely repeating and linking the original Adam Rubin line which I'm sure is the one that got this thread started in the first place: - namely that as we approach the July 31st deadline the Mets "will listen on trade proposals involving Bartolo Colon" (no surprise there) ... - and that they "MAY ultimately end up dealing him" (or maybe not) ... - and that if they do deal him they'd be looking for close-to-ready type players (Sandy has said as much publicly) - and that their preference would be either a SS upgrade or a bat for LF (logical assumptions). Wait, so you are looking for a Mets-related blog that does not re-link others' material, and offers, instead, original, entertaining, sometimes heartfelt material about our beloved team? Good luck with that. And if you do happen to find such a site, also find me a site that lists all the numbers ever worn by any Met, or better yet, a site that has every Met statistic ever, including the box score of every game in Met history. And if you DO find those sites, well, invite those guys to join the Pool, because anywhere those guys are posting is probably a pretty sweet place to be.

Frayed Knot Jul 16 2014 02:38 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Centerfield wrote: Wait, so you are looking for a Mets-related blog that does not re-link others' material, and offers, instead, original, entertaining, sometimes heartfelt material about our beloved team? No, I'm merely warning peeps not to treat this Bartolo "news" as if anything has really changed. I certainly don't resent MetsBlog for what they do. I only go there occasionally myself but (as far as I know anyway) they're not pretending to be real journalism or anything other then just a clearinghouse for other already-published stuff, all of which is fine and has its place. It's just that when they repackage something and stick it under a puffed-up headline devoid of any context they wind up skewing the original intent rather than illuminating it.

Nymr83 Jul 16 2014 03:02 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

There is an article on espn.com speculating about where different guys could get traded one of which is Colon. One of the destinations is the Bronx and the nauseating reasoning is that they owe it to Jeter to try! edit- the puke-inducing line: Colon is a good short-term fix for the Yankees, and a bandage they should test out, if only for the sake of Jeter.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2014 09:26 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

This is going to get interesting. You've got to think a gaggle of teams were watching this game closely to determine whether Colon actually came up sick in the San Diego start or was just bad and losing it. Alderson is going to have a mini-auction in his office the next couple of days. He clearly doesn't want to weaken the team down the stretch, but Colon's contract's value is probably never going to be higher than it is this morning. One imagines Sandy'll be torn two ways and maybe more.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 24 2014 09:39 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Colon has had just enough poor outings -- just a few, but those where he hasn't given the team a real great chance to win -- for me to be able to convince myself I'll be relieved if and when they move him. Nice work, Bart. Now, beat it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 24 2014 11:30 AM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

He's an old guy; stuff like the flu/nagging body weirdness is going to nag a little more loudly than it might for Gee, I suspect. This is one of those rare trade-bait situations where the potential return intrigues, but I'd honestly be pretty okay either way.

Vic Sage Jul 24 2014 01:25 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Move him... MOVE HIM NOW! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

TransMonk Jul 24 2014 01:57 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Yeah, the closer we get to the deadline, the more urgently I want him to go. If he's not moved, I may be as much concerned as I would be frustrated. It could mean that there are undisclosed doubts about Harvey's recovery or Syndergaard/Montero's progress. If everyone is healthy, I don't see the reason for a 42 year old, $11M redundancy in 2015.

Edgy MD Jul 24 2014 02:00 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Well, there'll be redundancy either way. I would imagine if he doesn't get dealt, it won't be doubts about Harvey so much as Alderson not getting the deal he wants.

Ceetar Jul 24 2014 02:27 PM Re: Bye-bye Bartolo?

Edgy MD wrote: Well, there'll be redundancy either way. I would imagine if he doesn't get dealt, it won't be doubts about Harvey so much as Alderson not getting the deal he wants. And the thing about the contract is..he can put him on waivers and see if they get a deal that way in August. They can trade him in November. December. Spring of next year. early in the season next year if everyone they want to be in the rotation above him stays healthy and effective. in other words, we may be reading about Colon trade rumors for another full year.