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batmagadanleadoff
Jul 18 2014 10:05 PM

Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because he's my new favorite Met.

Rookie deGrom will stick with starting

July, 13, 2014

By Adam Rubin | ESPNNewYork.com

NEW YORK -- Terry Collins’ recent suggestion that Jacob deGrom temporarily might find himself in the bullpen to open the second half to conserve innings was a false alarm.

After the Mets entered the All-Star break with a 9-1 win against the Miami Marlins that included seven strong innings from the 26-year-old rookie, Collins confirmed deGrom would remain in the rotation as Jonathon Niese returns from the disabled list.

DeGrom will start in Seattle during the second series of the second half, meaning Daisuke Matsuzaka is headed to a bullpen role.

DeGrom is 3-1 with a 1.65 ERA over his past five starts. And although the Mets typically are conservative with innings counts for their young pitchers, deGrom logged 147 2/3 last season in the minors. So Sandy Alderson has said he is comfortable with deGrom reaching 185 innings this season.

DeGrom is at 112 innings right now between the majors and minors. He would have 13 more starts during the regular season if he took the ball every five games.

“We’re not going to take Jacob deGrom out of the rotation,” Collins said postgame Sunday, after deGrom limited Miami to one run on five hits and two walks in seven innings. “I say that now, but we might look up in a month where he is starting to run out of gas a little bit, where we have to make a decision. He’s pitched very, very well. He didn’t even have his best stuff today. He did a great job.”

No pitcher feels perfect at this point in the season, but deGrom indicated he has plenty of petrol remaining.

“I feel really good,” he said. “I think working on my mechanics and getting back to where I wanted to be with [pitching coach] Dan [Warthen] has helped my arm recover. I haven’t really been sore this year.”

DeGrom certainly has earned the respect of teammates. He initially was scripted to have a bullpen role. But Dillon Gee’s side-muscle injury lingered for two months and deGrom outperformed Rafael Montero to solidify a spot in the rotation for the long haul.

“He’s one of guys that was a little under the radar,” captain David Wright said. “You heard about the Syndergaards. You heard about the Wheelers. [Steven] Matz has been getting a lot of attention. And Montero. But you never really hard too much about deGrom. And he was actually slated to be in the bullpen when he first got called up and something happened and he got a start and really has seized that opportunity. He’s got a live arm and throws strikes. It’s fun to play defense behind those guys.”

Wright had some fun with deGrom in recent days. After deGrom nearly smoked a stretching Wright with a foul ball while the pitcher was taking batting practice, Wright cut a lock of deGrom’s floppy hair and affixed it to a poster hanging in the clubhouse between their adjacent lockers. The poster had been created by the Mets’ social media team, with a silhouette of the rookie’s mane and the hashtag “#HAIRWEGO.”

“I let him do it,” deGrom said about Wright playing barber. “That’s the second one I almost hit him with, too. I guess I kind of deserved it.”

DeGrom said he has matured as a pitcher since arriving in the big leagues. An effective sinkerballer, he has learned to elevate four-seam fastballs to get batters to chase upstairs for strikeouts.

“And if they don’t swing at it then maybe go to the curveball in the dirt. Just raise their eye level and then try to get them out with something down,” deGrom said.

Overall, he is now 3-5 with a 3.18 ERA. The floppy hair he has not cut in six months and his hitting are giving him notoriety, too.

DeGrom broke a 1-all tie Sunday with an RBI single after a two-out intentional walk to No. 8 hitter Ruben Tejada in the fourth inning. DeGrom has seven hits in his first 12 major league games. That is tied with Matt Harvey for second-most in franchise history. Rick Aguilera had eight.

After the 1-for-3 performance that included his first career RBI, deGrom was asked if he could sustain his current .280 batting average if he were an everyday player.

“I have no clue,” deGrom said. “That’s a tough question.”


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/c ... cob-degrom

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 18 2014 10:10 PM
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DeGrom showing command, composure
June, 5, 2014
Jun 5
11:00
AM ET
By Mark Simon | ESPNNewYork.com


Jacob deGrom has been very tough to hit, particularly down in the strike zone.

As a kid growing up in Florida, Mets starter Jacob deGrom got a lesson in pitch command at an early age.
Jacob deGrom
Jacob deGrom
#48 SP
New York Mets

2014 STATS

GM4
W0
L2
BB12
K25
ERA2.42

When he would play catch with his father, Tony, his dad would yell at him to hit a target right around the center of his chest. If Jacob’s throws were askew, his dad would make Jacob chase the ball down himself.

That was the story that deGrom told ESPN baseball analyst Rick Sutcliffe before his start against the Dodgers a couple of weeks ago, when Sutcliffe asked him where he learned to hit his target as well as he does.

DeGrom’s pitch precision is the primary reason he’s been so successful in the first four starts of his major-league career. He’ll be trying for his first win when he starts against the Cubs tonight.

The numbers
DeGrom is one of five pitchers to open his career with four straight quality starts for the Mets, but only the second (along with Mets broadcaster Ron Darling) to go winless in those four games.

Jacob deGrom
1st 2 starts Last 2 starts
IP 13 13
Swings-and-Misses 16 30
Hard-Hit Balls 12 1
DeGrom’s 25 strikeouts are one shy of the most by a Mets pitcher in the first four games of his career (Matt Harvey, Dwight Gooden and Dick Selma had 26) and his 1.08 WHIP matches Tom Seaver for second-best among Mets pitchers to throw at least 20 innings in their first four games (Dennis Ribant had an 0.88 WHIP in his first four in 1964).

DeGrom struck out 11 Phillies in his fourth start. He’s one of seven pitchers in the past 10 seasons to have an 11-strikeout game that early in his career. That bodes well when you consider that the other six are Felix Hernandez, Stephen Strasburg, Mike Minor, Matt Moore, Matt Harvey and Chris Archer. In other words, no flukes in that group.

What’s working?
We’ve heard a lot of rave reviews about deGrom’s approach. A couple of long-effective pitchers shared their thoughts.

“I thought deGrom was impressive,” said former Met and Yankee David Cone, who broadcast deGrom’s debut on YES. “Plus fastball. Good change. Couple of different breaking balls. He looks like a keeper to me.”

Sutcliffe broadcast his second start against the Dodgers, shared the father-son catch story with his viewing audience and said this as deGrom warmed up:

“He has a good, clean delivery and a nice arm angle. He looks like Bronson Arroyo to me. For him to be successful, he’s got to live down in the strike zone. The changeup has to be a plus pitch to make his fastball more effective. What impresses me is that he can maintain 94-95 miles per hour when pitching out of the stretch.”

Let’s take a closer look at some of the points they brought up.

Fastball command
The best thing that deGrom has going for him is that he is getting misses on swings against fastballs thrown in the strike zone at a well-above average rate (20 percent).

When he throws his fastball within the lower half of the zone, opponents are 4-for-25 against it. And he does that often, as this image shows:



“In our system, we try to identify what the low strike is, and we work on it every day,” said Mets pitching coordinator Ron Romanick, who has watched deGrom closely since taking that position in 2012. “He took to it right away.”

When deGrom gets a little extra on his pitches, he’s very tough. He’s hit 94 mph or faster with his fastball 95 times, getting 23 outs and allowing one hit at that velocity. Among those who struck out on pitches at that velocity: Brett Gardner, Mark Teixeira, Marlon Byrd and Chase Utley.

One last stat: The folks at Sportvision/BAM use video technology to evaluate how close a pitcher comes to hitting a catcher's initial target. DeGrom's fastball, on average, comes within 11 inches of the target, a number that rates among the 10 best in the majors. The average pitcher throws one about 13.5 inches from the target.

That's the sort of thing for which the Mets are looking.

The changeup
The pitch that has been deGrom’s most consistent through four starts is the changeup (in which he uses the grip taught by Johan Santana), one he throws 10 to 12 mph slower than his fastball.


Jacob deGrom has located his changeup well too.

Opponents have two hits and a walk and have made 21 outs against the 61 he’s thrown. They’ve missed on 17 of the 37 swings they’ve taken against it, a 46 percent rate.

Phillies hitters were 0-for-17 with 10 strikeouts against the fastball-changeup combo.

“The first contrast pitch we teach is the changeup,” Romanick said. “We prioritize that over the breaking ball. Jake has a swing-and-miss changeup.”

Romanick also noted that deGrom doesn’t leave too many hangers.

“When he misses, he misses in good spots,” Romanick said.

Poise
Opponents are 3-for-27 with men on base against deGrom and 1-for-13 with runners in scoring position, with the only hit being Ryan Howard’s three run home run on Saturday.

“The composure has been there,” Romanick said. “He’d always had that polish at the minor league level.”

Looking ahead
DeGrom has a sense of self-awareness. He is still trying to find his ideal breaking ball. The home run by Howard came on a hanging curveball. Lefties are 4-for-4 against his hook so far. The slider has been good sometimes, but not consistently.

Remembering Jacob deGrom
"I was the athletic director (at his school) and head boys basketball coach. (Jacob) was a kid who I could put on any team because he was such a natural athlete. He has great hand-eye coordination. I hear him doing his post-game interviews and it still sounds like (the kid I knew)."
-- Ryan Knernschield
“I’ve struggled with my slider a little bit,” deGrom said on Tuesday. “I’m working on that in the bullpen. My curveball has come a long way, but I would say probably fastball, changeup have been the best two for me."

The Mets have also stressed that deGrom needs to be aware of his pitching patterns. Romanick thought that Howard knew what was coming based on what he'd seen in previous at-bats.

“Those type of hitters make pretty good adjustments,” Romanick said.

The other thing to keep in mind is that his abnormally-low BABIP (.206) and the good numbers with men on base and runners in scoring position aren’t going to last forever. Zack Wheeler learned that this season, as his batting average in the latter situations has jumped from .173 as a rookie to .349 in 2014.

The various ERA-estimating stats peg deGrom as being someone whose ERA should be one to two runs higher than it currently is. But in fairness, deGrom is still very much a work in progress. His 4.52 FIP (an ERA estimator based on strikeouts, walks and home runs allowed) is skewed a bit by the three homers he allowed to the Dodgers.

As such, Romanick is not worried. DeGrom learned pitching relatively late in his scholastic career. He primarily was a shortstop in high school and college, which might explain why he can hit a little bit. There is still upside, even for a 25-year-old first-year big leaguer.

"I think he can handle anything thrown his way," Romanick said.

Zvon
Jul 18 2014 10:11 PM
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I move that this belongs in this thread as well, courtesy of seawolf17.
*bangs gavel?

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 18 2014 10:15 PM
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MLB Shootaround (the Horn): The Most Intriguing Second-Half Story Lines

Grantland sez deGrom is intriguiing. Excerpt:

The Glorious Mane (and Aim) of Jacob deGrom

Sean Fennessey: Here’s a brief history of young Mets pitchers I’ve gotten excited about:

1995: Generation K (deceased)
2004: Scott Kazmir (vanished)
2012: Dillon Gee (worst beard of all time)
2013: Matt Harvey (maimed)

So that tends to happen. I was 2 years old when Doc Gooden strode upon the bump at Shea Stadium for the first time, eventually striking out a record 276 batters in his rookie year. (Context: It’s been 10 years since a National League pitcher struck out as many as 276, and Doctor K was just a seedling when he did it.) I don’t need to explain how things turned out for Gooden in later years.

So it is with grave reluctance and also unfathomable glee that I present this bro:

go to link for gif
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mlb-s ... ory-lines/

That second guy is Jacob deGrom, the 26-year-old rookie who’s holding down the fifth spot in the — surging(!), scrappy(?), solvent($) — Mets rotation. DeGrom, a converted infielder who has already undergone Tommy John surgery, is a bit old at 26, but he’s doing things few rookies have ever done:



And while his velocity is strong and his aim is true, deGrom’s hair is his calling card. He’s got good hair, hair worthy of Fidrych, young Lincecum, and Coco Crisp. It’s not easy having head charisma when your skull is covered in New Era. But deGrom’s is catching on.

And while the Mets’ future is full of promising arms (Thor coming!), deGrom is the least heralded, and therefore the most enjoyable. Considering recent history, he’s also very likely falling into a ditch and breaking both arms right now. But until then, #hairwego.

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 18 2014 10:15 PM
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Zvon wrote:
I move that this belongs in this thread as well, courtesy of seawolf17.
*bangs gavel?


I was just doing that!

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 18 2014 10:17 PM
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Was that poster a giveaway? I want one of those.

[fimg=444:2h0kqgz3]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp4pmSFCUAAIu_K.jpg:medium[/fimg:2h0kqgz3]

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 18 2014 10:20 PM
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[fimg=444]http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/screen-shot-2014-07-13-at-6-57-39-pm.png?w=320[/fimg]

Zvon
Jul 18 2014 10:23 PM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Was that poster a giveaway? I want one of those.

[fimg=444]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp4pmSFCUAAIu_K.jpg:medium[/fimg]


I like that poster. I want four.

themetfairy
Jul 19 2014 07:37 AM
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Ashie62
Jul 19 2014 10:39 AM
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The pitch location charts above look exactly like the MRI of my shoulder...

themetfairy
Jul 22 2014 10:22 PM
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The kid is awesome!

MFS62
Jul 23 2014 07:22 AM
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He deserves his own thread because he has earned it.

Later

Centerfield
Jul 23 2014 07:37 AM
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deGrom kind of illustrates how little I understand about scouting and labeling prospects.

For instance, Zack Wheeler is as highly touted as they come. They say he has front-of-the rotation potential. Zack throws his fastball around 96, but his secondary pitches are not great, and lack consistency. Wheeler struggles with his control.

deGrom, on the other hand, sits at about 94 with his fastball, but has plus secondary pitches, including a great changeup he can throw even when behind in the count. deGrom has good control and limits his walks. Despite this, he was a fringe prospect. From what I read about him, I expected him to be Pat Strange or Kevin Mulvey.

Edgy MD
Jul 23 2014 07:44 AM
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Makes it fun, though. Forecasts are forecasts.

Besides, people grow in fits and starts. Wheeler may still pass him. Syndergaard may pass 'em both. But that's certainly not where the trend lines are going. Where the hell did David Cone come from?

Edgy MD
Jul 23 2014 08:02 AM
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Also worth noting is that, what prospect watchers didn't know --- and largely couldn't know --- is that deGrom would be learning and eventually mastering a changeup taught to him by Johan Santana. Now a big pitch in his arsenal that helped him a lot last night against a lefty-stacked lineup.

Ceetar
Jul 23 2014 08:08 AM
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NL Rookies, fWAR

Billy Hamilton 3.2
Chris Owings 1.9
Jacob deGrom 1.3
..
d'Aranud 0.7
..
Eric Campbell 0.4
Jeurys Familia 0.4

Frayed Knot
Jul 23 2014 08:11 AM
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Centerfield wrote:
deGrom kind of illustrates how little I understand about scouting and labeling prospects.

For instance, Zack Wheeler is as highly touted as they come. They say he has front-of-the rotation potential. Zack throws his fastball around 96, but his secondary pitches are not great, and lack consistency. Wheeler struggles with his control.

deGrom, on the other hand, sits at about 94 with his fastball, but has plus secondary pitches, including a great changeup he can throw even when behind in the count. deGrom has good control and limits his walks. Despite this, he was a fringe prospect. From what I read about him, I expected him to be Pat Strange or Kevin Mulvey.


Part of that is age - Wheeler is two full years younger so compare, say, where he is now vs where deGrom was two years ago (single-A);
part is the age at which they were drafted - college senior vs HS, meaning that Wheeler has been on the radar longer;
part is small sample size - deGrom being better NOW!!!! doesn't mean he will be for the next 5 or 10 and the long term is what forecasters are trying to project
part is a scouts tendency to drool over readings on the radar gun and other such talents that fall under the general category of 'Stuff'

And, yeah, the scouts and touts who follow this end of the business do also get things wrong more than occasionally.

TransMonk
Jul 27 2014 04:25 PM
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NL Pitcher of the Month for July?

Edgy MD
Jul 27 2014 04:31 PM
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NL Rookie of the Year for 2014?

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 27 2014 04:50 PM
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TransMonk wrote:
NL Pitcher of the Month for July?


Edgy MD
Jul 27 2014 05:08 PM
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Strong case for Tyler Ross as well.

metirish
Jul 27 2014 08:08 PM
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Mark Simon
?@msimonespn
Jacob deGrom's final July numbers

4-1
1.39 ERA
1.05 WHIP
38 K, 7 BB
.518 opp OPS
7.4% hard-hit rate #allthosearereallygood

Ceetar
Jul 28 2014 07:35 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
NL Rookie of the Year for 2014?


We might have to get a Billy Hamilton smear campaign going though.

Edgy MD
Jul 28 2014 07:41 AM
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Well, the best way to hurt Hamilton's campaign is to catch and pass his currently tanking team in the standings.

Gotta get deGrom's fraction of an offensive WAR into the arithmetic when we measure him, though.

Ceetar
Jul 28 2014 07:42 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Well, the best way to hurt his campaign is to catch and pass his currently tanking team in the standings.



ooh, and can we have deGrom pick him off on 9/5 or something?

smg58
Jul 28 2014 09:04 AM
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DeGrom has certainly earned the right to be part of the rookie discussion. Hamilton has a .717 OPS in a pitchers' park, so while his speed and defense are big plusses, I'm not conceding anything to him in July.

Ceetar
Jul 28 2014 09:14 AM
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smg58 wrote:
DeGrom has certainly earned the right to be part of the rookie discussion. Hamilton has a .717 OPS in a pitchers' park, so while his speed and defense are big plusses, I'm not conceding anything to him in July.


I was just referencing the fWAR, which he's way ahead in, though clearly that's not how a lot of these guys make their decisions.

Lefty Specialist
Jul 28 2014 03:15 PM
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I'm just waiting for his first Pantene commercial.

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 29 2014 09:12 AM
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Mets rookie pitcher Jacob deGrom named National League player of the week
Mets rookie deGrom went 2-0 last week, posting a 0.68 ERA with 11 strikeouts and just three walks in two starts to share the award with Marlins' closer Steve Cishek.
BY Jason Rubinstein
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Monday, July 28, 2014, 4:17 PM

The accolades are finally coming for Jacob deGrom.

Major League Baseball on Monday named the rookie righthander the co-National League Player of the Week along with Marlins closer Steve Cishek.

DeGrom has shown no signs of being a rookie of late, limiting opponents to just two runs in his last 271/3 innings pitched over his last four stars. More so, he hasn’t given up a home run in his last 59 innings and is four homerless innings away from matching the Mets’ franchise record set by Mark Bomback in 1980.

DeGrom has posted a 0.66 ERA in his last four starts, all wins, proving to be one of the Mets’ most reliable pitchers.

But for Mets fans, seeing deGrom on the mound every five days for the rest of the season is unlikely. Before the Mets’ recent road trip, general manager Sandy Alderson said the team would roughly cap deGrom’s innings at 185. To date, including his innings in the minors, deGrom has tossed 125.1. That’s roughly nine more starts before he hits it.

And with the Mets (51-55) surging of late, it could be a tough pill to see deGrom shut down. So will Alderson worry about deGrom’s cap later in the season because of how the Mets are playing?

“I think that’s one possibility,” Alderson said. “The other possibility is to maybe skip him a start when we find a right spot to do it. So I think we have a couple of different ways of approaching that. Right now, we don’t want to interrupt the flow he has going, the success he’s had.”



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1883102

batmagadanleadoff
Jul 29 2014 09:34 AM
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smg58 wrote:
DeGrom has certainly earned the right to be part of the rookie discussion. Hamilton has a .717 OPS in a pitchers' park, so while his speed and defense are big plusses, I'm not conceding anything to him in July.

Agreed. I'd give it to Hamilton right now in a slight edge over deGrom, although I'm sensing that deGrom would pass Hamilton in my book soon enough so long as he maintains his effectiveness. A team imposed pitch limit would hinder deGrom's chances of winning this award.

Frayed Knot
Aug 01 2014 03:47 PM
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NY Post talks about how Jacob got his groove on
The article is as much about scouting as it is about JdG

The somewhat ironic part here is that certain Met fans in the Omar era (some of whom had derided the team he inherited as "too old, too slow, and too white") heard his stated aim for getting more "athletes" into the system and read into it a stealth program to create an all-Black/Hispanic team, aka: 'no more white guys allowed'. And now lookie at what it produced!

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 04 2014 10:18 AM
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deGrom's a real timetable changer, ain't he?
__________________________________________






The 30: deGreat Debate

Have the Mets, Nats, Royals, and Twins positioned themselves for success following relatively quiet trade deadline showings?
by Jonah Keri on August 4, 2014

excerpt:



Baseball’s non-waiver trade deadline has passed, and the winners and losers have been toasted and chided.

Much to the Phillies’ chagrin, however, not every team that stood pat joined Ruben Amaro’s squad in earning the “loser” label. Today, I’ll look at four teams that avoided our ridicule despite failing to make major moves, and assess how well positioned they are — either for the stretch run or the future.

So pop your head in:

[***]

2015’s the Charm?

These teams will likely fall short in 2014, but look dangerous for next season.

21. Chicago White Sox (54-58, -25, LW: 21)
20. New York Mets (53-58, +3, LW: 20)
19. Miami Marlins (54-57, -26, LW: 19)
18. Cleveland Indians (56-55, +17, LW: 18)
17. Tampa Bay Rays (54-57, -1, LW: 15)
16. Cincinnati Reds (56-55, +17, LW: 17)

Here’s a fun futures bet for you: Which Mets starter will lead the majors in ERA in 2015? Consider where the team’s rotation stands at the moment, and how it’s shaping up for next season, and that’s not as crazy as it might seem.

Matt Harvey, the linchpin of next year’s rotation, threw off a mound on Friday for the first time since Tommy John surgery and appears to be on track to go through a normal winter and spring regimen. Before injuring his elbow last season, Harvey posted a 2.27 ERA and totaled more strikeouts (191) than baserunners allowed (170), so if he’s back to 100 percent by Opening Day 2015, he’ll be one of the best pitchers in the league. Maybe someday, someone might even recognize him.

Zack Wheeler, meanwhile, is constantly enhancing Mets fans’ appreciation for the 2011 trade that sent two months of Carlos Beltran to the Giants for the young hurler. Another power right-hander, Wheeler has improved across the board this season after showing occasional flashes of brilliance last year. He’s boosted his strikeout rate (to about one per inning), trimmed his walk rate (by about half a walk per nine innings), and hiked his ground ball rate (to 52.7 percent, ninth among qualified NL starters). He’s still got work to do, as he’s carrying the sixth-highest NL walk rate despite his year-over-year improvement, and has generally struggled with his command at times. Still, his fastball-slider combination has been devastating against right-handed hitters from day one, as they’ve hit just .217/.287/.327 against Wheeler during his brief MLB career. He’s an improved changeup away from rising into the NL’s top pitching tier.

Jon Niese has struggled with injuries, making only 44 starts since Opening Day 2013. However, the 27-year-old lefty has been a steady performer when healthy, doing a particularly good job of limiting extra-base hits, with just 19 homers allowed in 265.1 innings during that span. That’s helped suppress his ERA — which sits at a tidy 3.24 this year — despite mediocre strikeout rates. Niese is signed cheaply through 2016, with club options that could keep him in town through 2018.

Noah Syndergaard has yet to throw a pitch in the big leagues, but he’s shined in the minors, punching out 436 batters in 395.2 innings during his five-year minor league career and putting up shiny surface stats prior to playing in the preposterous home environment of Las Vegas this year. He’s 6-6 and 240 pounds. He can dial his fastball into the high 90s and has a curveball that’s going to give major league hitters nightmares. And he doesn’t turn 22 until the end of this month. Baseball Prospectus and MLB.com rated him as baseball’s 11th-best prospect entering this season, and he’s widely expected to be big league–ready next spring, if not sooner.

And then there’s Jacob deGrom, the biggest surprise of the bunch.

The ninth-round 2010 draft pick arrived in the big leagues with a modest pedigree and even more modest numbers: a 3.62 ERA, 333 hits in 323.1 innings, and a so-so 267 strikeouts over that span (though with parts of two seasons spent in the aforementioned Vegas League). Despite not boasting the blazing fastball that Harvey, Wheeler, and Syndergaard possess, deGrom’s early MLB returns have been terrific. Though he didn’t make his big league debut until May 15, deGrom has inserted himself into the NL Rookie of the Year discussion, fanning 90 batters and allowing just five long balls in 94.1 innings while flashing a 2.77 ERA and 2.97 FIP.

Back in early June, ESPN’s Mark Simon wrote about deGrom’s pinpoint fastball control and his ability to change speeds and fool hitters with his secondary pitches. The 26-year-old righty has improved since then, and actually seems to be getting better with every start. In his last eight starts, he’s posted a 1.52 ERA and has limited opposing hitters to a .212/.269/.249 line, and on Saturday he was perfect through six before losing his no-hit bid with two outs in the seventh. He held on for the win, becoming the first Mets rookie to win five consecutive starts since Dillon Gee did so in 2011.

That Gee and veteran Bartolo Colon aren’t even worth mentioning among the projected top five for 2015 speaks volumes about the Mets possessing something every other team longs to have: too much starting pitching. And that brings us back to trades: The Mets failed to convert any of that young pitching talent into hitting help at this year’s deadline, but some have speculated that the team could pursue a deal in the offseason, perhaps even targeting Rockies star Troy Tulowitzki. Acquiring Tulo probably isn’t going to happen, because the Mets would likely need to include peak Seaver, Strawberry, and Gooden in the deal to pull it off, but whether or not the Mets look to make a move, one thing is clear: They’ll be well armed in 2015.

Bank on it:


http://grantland.com/features/the-30-ml ... -deadline/

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 06 2014 10:07 AM
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I didn't even know this award existed.

Jacob deGrom of the New York Mets voted National League Rookie of the Month for July

New York Mets starting pitcher Jacob deGrom has been voted the National League Rookie of the Month for July.

The 26-year-old went 4-1 last month and posted a Major League rookie-best 1.39 ERA (5 ER/23.1 IP) and 38 strikeouts while tying for the overall N.L. lead in wins. His ERA was the League's third-lowest mark overall and ranked fifth among all Major League pitchers. deGrom held opposing hitters to a .225 batting average, which was the lowest mark among qualifying N.L. rookies, while walking just seven.

On July 8th, deGrom tossed 7.0 shutout innings while tying a career-high with 11 strikeouts (also May 31st) as the Mets defeated the visiting Atlanta Braves, 5-2. The Stetson University product followed that performance with another 7.0-inning gem on July 13th, helping the Mets cruise to a 9-1 victory over the Miami Marlins at Citi Field. deGrom allowed just a single earned run in the contest and fanned eight en route to his third win of the season. On July 22nd, deGrom was similarly effective, allowing a single run across 7.0 innings of work as the Mets took a 3-1 decision against the Seattle Mariners at Safeco Field. The youngster fanned seven in the outing while issuing one free pass. deGrom capped his stellar month with his fourth consecutive victory on July 27th at Milwaukee, going 6.1 shutout innings in a 2-0 win over the N.L. Central leaders.

In doing so, he became the first rookie in franchise history to record a win in four straight starts while pitching at least 6.0 innings and allowing no more than one run. The streak broke a record set by Jerry Koosman, who had three such starts from April 11-23, 1968. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, since 1982, only three other Major League rookie pitchers have won four straight such starts (6.0 innings with one earned run or less) in one season: Houston's Roy Oswalt (2001), L.A. Angels of Anaheim right-hander Jered Weaver (2006) and San Francisco's Matt Cain (2005). This is deGrom's first career Rookie of the Month Award.

Other rookies receiving votes included Arizona's David Peralta (.314, 11 R, 27 H, 4 2B, 4 3B, 12 RBI); Atlanta's Tommy La Stella (.309, 29 H, 6 2B, 10 RBI, .381 OBP); San Diego's Jesse Hahn (3-1, 2.08 ERA, 18 SO, 26.0 IP); Philadelphia's Ken Giles (0-0, 0.66 ERA, 18 SO, 13.2 IP); and Kolten Wong (.284, 13 R, 19 H, 5 HR, 9 RBI, .567 SLG) of the St. Louis Cardinals.

The National League Rookie of the Month for July, Jacob deGrom, will receive a specially designed trophy, suitably engraved, to commemorate his performance.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 06 2014 10:31 AM
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One previous Met was NL Rookie of the Month: Justin Turner in May 2011.

Lefty Specialist
Aug 10 2014 10:58 AM
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Back to NY to be examined for shoulder soreness.

Ahhh, crap.

d'Kong76
Aug 10 2014 11:11 AM
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¡deCrapFart!

G-Fafif
Aug 10 2014 11:23 AM
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Good night 2014 Mets and thanks for playing!

(Not really, but I was to have my first up close and personal look at de young man on Tuesday, so I'm bummed beyond the requisite bummedness.)

Edgy MD
Aug 10 2014 12:51 PM
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deGromeo scratched from his next start.

No announcement yet of who gets the call.

batmagadanleadoff
Aug 10 2014 01:38 PM
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Harvey wasn't as dominant as we'd come to expect in his last few starts right before the injury announcement. Just remembering.

Mets Guy in Michigan
Aug 10 2014 03:26 PM
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Sometimes I think this team is completely cursed.

Edgy MD
Aug 10 2014 03:38 PM
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That's a trap that'll drive you crazy. Pitching is simply awful business.

Seaver, about a third of the way through 1969 was dealing with sore arm and was beginning to plan for his next career, when he suddenly found himself. Who know the mysteries of the human arm.

Ashie62
Aug 10 2014 04:06 PM
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Mets Guy in Michigan wrote:
Sometimes I think this team is completely cursed.


Citi was built on an Indian burial ground...

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 11 2014 09:09 AM
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If that's true, then so was Shea, and a lot of good things happened there.

Centerfield
Sep 10 2014 08:44 AM
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I heard Jacob deGrom.

He is awesome and not douchy.

Trachsel My Tears
Sep 10 2014 09:48 AM
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We may be overly formal here. I heard TC after the game referring to him as "Jake" deGrom.

Sounds more like a ballplayer. Jacob deGrom sounds like a Dutch baroque oil painter.

batmagadanleadoff
Sep 20 2014 03:02 PM
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Fangraphs breaks down deGrom's eight straight K's. Rookie of the Year ain't nuthin'. deGrom's already one of the best half dozen pitchers in the NL.

Excerpt:

I’d like to believe that Jacob deGrom started out as hair. Just hair. Over time, that hair grew into much more than just hair, eventually sprouting a full human figure and developing world-class athletic ability. The hair would go on to play middle infield in college before transitioning into a pitcher and getting drafted by the New York Mets. The hair would then have Tommy John Surgery and never crack a top-1oo prospect list, but nevertheless the hair would reach the majors by age 25. And the hair would dominate....

And, aside from the eight straight whiffs, those numbers aren’t even that shocking when you consider what deGrom has done so far. His ERA actually went up after Monday’s start, from 2.62 to 2.68. His FIP dropped from 2.88 to 2.72. You’ll notice those are both exceptionally low figures. Of all starting pitchers who have thrown more than 130 innings, his ERA ranks 14th, right behind Zack Greinke and a few spots ahead of Jordan Zimmermann. His FIP is ninth, better than that of Jon Lester, David Price and Adam Wainwright. I could go on with more examples like this, but the point is, deGrom will soon finish the season with a sample of work that – while smaller than most – is not small enough to be insignificant. And over that four-month sample, he has been one of the 15 best starting pitchers in baseball.


http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jacob-de ... t-batters/

Edgy MD
Sep 20 2014 04:32 PM
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As much as the ship has sailed a listing course the last three years, we've strangely had an unexpectedly remarkable pitching season in each of them.

Frayed Knot
Oct 05 2014 08:13 PM
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Frayed Knot wrote:
Centerfield wrote:
deGrom kind of illustrates how little I understand about scouting and labeling prospects.

For instance, Zack Wheeler is as highly touted as they come. They say he has front-of-the rotation potential. Zack throws his fastball around 96, but his secondary pitches are not great, and lack consistency. Wheeler struggles with his control.

deGrom, on the other hand, sits at about 94 with his fastball, but has plus secondary pitches, including a great changeup he can throw even when behind in the count. deGrom has good control and limits his walks. Despite this, he was a fringe prospect. From what I read about him, I expected him to be Pat Strange or Kevin Mulvey.


Part of that is age - Wheeler is two full years younger so compare, say, where he is now vs where deGrom was two years ago (single-A);
part is the age at which they were drafted - college senior vs HS, meaning that Wheeler has been on the radar longer;
part is small sample size - deGrom being better NOW!!!! doesn't mean he will be for the next 5 or 10 and the long term is what forecasters are trying to project
part is a scouts tendency to drool over readings on the radar gun and other such talents that fall under the general category of 'Stuff'

And, yeah, the scouts and touts who follow this end of the business do also get things wrong more than occasionally.


A little background on how deGrom was seen (by one person anyway) prior to this season.
John Sickels had named him a "sleeper candidate" a year or so back - and sometimes those predictions work out in spades.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 10 2014 07:18 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Was that poster a giveaway? I want one of those.

[fimg=444]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp4pmSFCUAAIu_K.jpg:medium[/fimg]


This poster's a lot bigger than the one above. Where does one get one of those?

G-Fafif
Oct 10 2014 07:55 AM
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They were handed out to fans within camera range the two times I sat in 1B field level seats not far from the dugout. I guess the Mets wanted to create the illusion of hysteria over deGrom and hoped everybody would wave them in unison. Problem was even in those very nice seats, there wasn't much of a poster-waving frenzy (or that many fans) -- but when Jake went on his strikeout roll in September, the customers were properly engaged.

You can give away goodies, but you can't manufacture passion.

Ceetar
Oct 10 2014 07:58 AM
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G-Fafif wrote:

You can give away goodies, but you can't manufacture passion.


well, unless you're a Gatorade commercial.

G-Fafif
Oct 10 2014 07:59 AM
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Ceetar wrote:
G-Fafif wrote:

You can give away goodies, but you can't manufacture passion.


well, unless you're a Gatorade commercial.


DI2MAY

Edgy MD
Oct 20 2014 11:12 AM
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Jacob deGrom wins the once-and-perhaps-again highly prestigious Sporting News Rookie of the Year.

Also earns himself a sexy rock star portrait illustration:

d'Kong76
Oct 20 2014 01:42 PM
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Lazy Q, do the SN awards usually mirror the MLB ones?

Edgy MD
Oct 20 2014 01:53 PM
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Certainly in the RotY results, but unfortunately for Jerry Coobysman, not in 1968.

Ashie62
Oct 20 2014 03:34 PM
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I grew up thinking the Sporting News was the official for ROY and Johnny Bench could go &*(^

G-Fafif
Oct 20 2014 06:41 PM
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Kooz won Rookie Pitcher of the Year, Bench ROY, which was how TSN delineated for decades. The year before, they picked Dick Hughes over Seaver.

So they need to pick deGrom 10-20X to make up for that nonsense.

Zvon
Oct 20 2014 09:41 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Kooz won Rookie Pitcher of the Year, Bench ROY, which was how TSN delineated for decades. The year before, they picked Dick Hughes over Seaver.

So they need to pick deGrom 10-20X to make up for that nonsense.


I was like, who the fuck is Dick Hughes? So I looked him up.
The kid had a good year. 16-6 for the Cards in 1967 (Tom was 16-13). Had a league leading 0.954 WHIP. Allowed only 6.6 hits per 9, also tops.

He may have gotten the SN one but Seaver got 55% of the vote for the ROY (to Dick's 30%-good for second) . Dick received 17 MVP votes. Seaver, 22. Hughes was all done in 1968.
No indication what happened to him.

dinosaur jesus
Oct 20 2014 10:25 PM
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Dick Hughes is an interesting story. He wasn't a kid. He was 29 years old, and he'd been in the Cardinals organization since 1958. He never really showed that much, but in 1966 the Cardinals loaned him to the Yankees, and he was terrific for them in AA. So the Cardinals called him up in September, he pitched well, and he made the team in 1967. And he was great--he kept them in the pennant race when Ray Washburn and then Bob Gibson went down. (Basically, while Gibson was out, Hughes pitched like Bob Gibson.) And then--rotator cuff. A few games in 1968, and that was it. The Cardinals fans still think he was robbed in the Rookie of the Year voting. That isn't exactly true, but they're not totally wrong. He was awesome. Plus he looked like Stork in Animal House, or a skinnier Billie Sol Estes.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 21 2014 12:05 AM
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Dick Hughes wouldn't have been a crazy pick for ROY. That race was close. Hughes set the Cards rookie record for most K's in a game (13), later tied by Scipio Spinks against the Mets. I thought Hughes sustained his rotator cuff injury in Spring Training '68, but I could be wrong on that. In 1968, that injury was the kiss of death for a pitcher, and so Hughes was essentially done.

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 21 2014 12:12 AM
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The team thrives on adversity. When the Cardinals lost the services of Bob Gibson with a broken leg (suffered on July 15 when he was hit by a line drive from the bat of Roberto Clemente), their uncertain pitching was supposed to cave in. Gibson, who was throwing batting practice on Aug. 28, may not get back into the rotation until the middle of September, but his absence enabled Nelson Briles, a 24-year-old right-hander with a discouraging record of 4-15 last year, to start, and Briles has done splendidly. Briles uses the no-windup style that Pitching Coach Billy Muffett teaches so well—as do Relief Pitcher Ron Willis (three earned runs in his past 19 appearances) and Starter Dick Hughes. Early in the year Hughes appeared in 10 games as a relief pitcher, but since he became a starting pitcher his record is 13-4. At the age of 29 he could win the league's Rookie of the Year award.


G-Fafif
Oct 21 2014 06:07 AM
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Also, TSN picked Marichal over Seaver as its RHP in 1969 (as every other pack I opened in 1970 informed me). Such anti-Seaver bias!

MFS62
Oct 21 2014 07:22 AM
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Wow!
Billie Sol Estes and Scipio Spinks mentioned in the same thread.
I love this place.

Later

batmagadanleadoff
Oct 21 2014 09:37 AM
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Topps awarded their trophy to Seaver. So it's Seaver 2 - Hughes 1.

Frayed Knot
Oct 21 2014 10:03 AM
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7 extra starts and 50-some more innings pitched is a good argument in Seaver's favor and enough to make up for minor differences in WHiP.

Zvon
Oct 21 2014 10:25 AM
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batmagadanleadoff wrote:
Topps awarded their trophy to Seaver. So it's Seaver 2 - Hughes 1.



Hughs certainly deserved a cardboard rookie award. If he was a Metropolitan I'd make him one.
But he's not.

Edgy MD
Oct 21 2014 10:44 AM
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I'm guessing the Mets could get... three... of those trophies next year?

Edgy MD
Nov 04 2014 10:16 AM
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NL Players Choice for the Outstanding Rookie.

Zvon
Nov 04 2014 11:20 AM
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Nice. Keep rackin' em up.

t-minus 6 days?

Ceetar
Nov 04 2014 11:25 AM
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Do athletes, at least the better ones, have two trophy cases? One for the 'real' awards and one for the random ones? Little trophies and plaques for things like NL Players Choice can't go next to like, NL Cy Young can they?

Same goes for movie stars. I bet they don't put their MTV awards next to their Oscars.

Lefty Specialist
Nov 04 2014 11:55 AM
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So I guess the NL Players Award is kind of like the People's Choice Awards, then.

Centerfield
Nov 04 2014 12:28 PM
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Edgy MD wrote:
NL Players Choice for the Outstanding Rookie.


Do you mean next year meaning this next year's cards for this year's rookies (d'Arnaud, Familia, deGrom) or next year meaning our three outstanding rookies next year (Herrera, Syndegaard, some yet to be determined phenom)?

Edgy MD
Nov 04 2014 12:43 PM
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I think you meant to quote my adjacent post.

I meant to suggest that the 2015 Topps All-Rookie Team for 2014 could potentially include fwee Mets: d'Arnaud, d'Grom, and d'Familia (though I don't even know if they explicitly set aside a spot on the team for a reliever).

Centerfield
Nov 04 2014 02:44 PM
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Yup. And next year there will be three more.

G-Fafif
Nov 04 2014 02:48 PM
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Though R.A. Dickey accepting the Cy Young news was less than two years ago, seeing Jacob deGrom smiling and offering thanks for the Players Choice felt like the first time in a long time I'd seen a Met win a merit-based award. Maybe it was because R.A. was gone not long after the Cy. In any event, it was fun. I hope there's more fun next week. And for that matter, tonight Gold Glove-wise.

Edgy MD
Nov 04 2014 02:51 PM
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KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AT THE CHRISTMAS PARTY JACOB!!

Frayed Knot
Nov 04 2014 03:23 PM
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G-Fafif wrote:
Though R.A. Dickey accepting the Cy Young news was less than two years ago, seeing Jacob deGrom smiling and offering thanks for the Players Choice felt like the first time in a long time I'd seen a Met win a merit-based award. Maybe it was because R.A. was gone not long after the Cy. In any event, it was fun. I hope there's more fun next week. And for that matter, tonight Gold Glove-wise.


Yeah, at least we know deGrom will be here for a while ... or at least until he gets shipped to Anaheim in the Trout trade.

Edgy MD
Nov 04 2014 10:49 PM
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Rookie of the Year finalists announced.

Jacob deGrom
Billy Hamilton
Kolten Wong

I don't know what this finalist stuff is about, but a big BOOOO!!! from the Familia and d'Arnaud camps.

Zvon
Nov 05 2014 12:54 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
Rookie of the Year finalists announced.

Jacob deGrom
Billy Hamilton
Kolten Wong

I don't know what this finalist stuff is about, but a big BOOOO!!! from the Familia and d'Arnaud camps.


That is new, isn't it? This finals stuff?

Frayed Knot
Nov 05 2014 07:11 AM
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They've been doing it for the GG awards for the last 2 years or so but this year is the first time I remember seeing it for RoY, CY, MoY & MVP.
I don't like it. Not that it's a huge deal or anything since all they're really doing is telling you the top three finishers in advance, I just don't see the point of it all.
I guess they think it somehow builds intrigue but I don't agree.

Ceetar
Nov 05 2014 07:33 AM
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I went

deGrom
Hamilton
d'Arnaud

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 05 2014 11:35 AM
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Yeah, I didn't realize how great d'Arnaud's second half really was until I took a look at his season numbers last week. I'd have him-- and maybe Panik-- ahead of Wong.

Edgy MD
Nov 05 2014 11:40 AM
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You know, it's like you forget that Jeurys is YOUR OWN SON!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 05 2014 11:52 AM
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If I'm not pushing him, THEN WHO ELSE WILL, CONSARNIT?

Ceetar
Nov 05 2014 11:55 AM
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and what about ERIC CAMPBELL?

Zvon
Nov 09 2014 02:04 PM
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T-minus 24 hours.

Edgy MD
Nov 10 2014 12:57 PM
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The promise of Jacob deGrom and the Mets



That pitcher struck out about seven batters for every nine innings he pitched in the minors, right around the league average at every stop. He was a ninth-rounder who was hit hard by teenagers in Rookie League for five starts before he underwent Tommy John surgery, and he started the year in the minors because the Mets figured they had five better starting pitchers. Look at the video again. Back to the first two sentences of this paragraph. Back to the video. Back to -- how did an arm that good produce such underwhelming numbers in the minors? How did an arm that good not break camp with a Mets team having open auditions for fifth starter?

It doesn't matter. The straw is gold now.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 10 2014 01:18 PM
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I like that the Mets have become all about stealth prospects. Both deGrom and Lagares have shocked based on their pro careers to the point at which they joined the game. Even Harvelous has been more marvelous than you would have guessed. I'm certain these flukey successes will be balanced out by surprise flops along the way but its fun and encouraging after so many years of relying on other teams to develop Met talent to see some of these guys come along so unexpectedly. Who's next?

Edgy MD
Nov 10 2014 01:29 PM
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I guess, in a sense, Plawecki has snuck up on things.

But among guys who never did in the minors what they would eventually do in the majors, how about Jayce Boyd? Or Logan Verrett?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Nov 10 2014 02:54 PM
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Dominick Smith who?

Frayed Knot
Nov 10 2014 05:28 PM
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BUSH(y hair) WINS!!!! *

26 of 30 1st place votes. Hamilton 2nd, Wong 3rd






* a decreasing amount of people here get that joke

Zvon
Nov 10 2014 06:03 PM
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WOOHOO! Quite a news day for our Mets.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Nov 10 2014 06:43 PM
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He's on SNY for a "Day of deGrom" thing, in-studio for about a half-hour of chatting. Appearances can be deceiving, granted, but there's a strong aw-shucks good-guy waft around this one.

He could use a better conditioner, though.

Fman99
Nov 10 2014 08:14 PM
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote:
Yeah, I didn't realize how great d'Arnaud's second half really was until I took a look at his season numbers last week. I'd have him-- and maybe Panik-- ahead of Wong.


Fboy asked if we could watch the live presentation of the award tonight and jumped up and down when they announced DeGrom as the winner. He said, "Now, at least, I know I'll be able to get a DeGrom jersey shirt next year!" as he wanted one this past summer but we could not find them at Citi.

Also, he was wondering why D'Arnaud wasn't a finalist and I told him, incorrectly, that he didn't qualify because he had played too many games in the pros in 2013. Like I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Centerfield
Nov 10 2014 08:16 PM
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deGrom is really likeable and awkward in this SNY special. He's like the anti-Harvey.

If I get a jersey during my adult life, there's a good chance it will be deGrom.

Edgy MD
Nov 10 2014 08:27 PM
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Fman99 wrote:
Fboy asked if we could watch the live presentation of the award tonight and jumped up and down when they announced DeGrom as the winner.

This is why these things should be done at a big, dumb corny awards show.

bmfc1
Nov 11 2014 05:55 AM
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Booooo!:
Phil Rogers, MLB.com (CHI): Hamilton DeGrom Wong
Fred Mitchell, Chicago Tribune (CHI): Hamilton DeGrom Wong
John Erardi, Cincinnati Enquirer (CIN): Hamilton DeGrom Inciarte
Brian Golden, Antelope Valley Press (LA): Hamilton DeGrom Wong

Edgy MD
Nov 11 2014 06:16 AM
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1. deGrom 26-4-0-142
2. Billy Hamilton 4-23-3-92
3. Kolten Wong 0-1-11-14
4. Ken Giles 0-2-2-8
5. Ender Inciarte 0-0-4-4
6. Joe Panik 0-0-3-3
T7. d'Arnaud 0-0-2-2
T7. Familia 0-0-2-2
T7. Kyle Hendricks 0-0-2-2
10. Chase Anderson 0-0-1-1

WtF is Ken Giles? Is he based on a real player or is he completely computer generated?

Frayed Knot
Nov 11 2014 06:37 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
WtF is Ken Giles? Is he based on a real player or is he completely computer generated?


I know, right?
You'd figure that a guy within our own division scoring ROY points and who shut us down four times (4 G vs NYM, 4 IP, 2 hits, 5 K) while having a hand in half of the six Philly wins against us would at least have his name ring a bell, but I guess that underscores the phutility of the Phillies this past year. They didn't even garner enough passion to hate this year, instead they were just ignored.

The only thing to admire about the 2014 Phils is that they were able to win their season series vs the Nats (10 wins - 9 losses) while we were going a pitiful 5-14

Edgy MD
Nov 11 2014 07:19 AM
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Oh, now he's ringing a bell. I guess.

Is he related to the Warren Giles family? Or perhaps the Brian Giles family? How about the other Brian Giles family?

MFS62
Nov 11 2014 07:30 AM
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And while we're at it, WTF is the Antelope Valley Press and why does one of their writers get a vote for ROY?
It sounds like if it were a New York City paper, they's be giving it out free at subway stations.

Later

Mets – Willets Point
Nov 11 2014 04:49 PM
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Palmdale, California: http://www.avpress.com/