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Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ...
batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2014 10:05 PM |
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Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because he's my new favorite Met.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/c ... cob-degrom
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2014 10:10 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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DeGrom showing command, composure
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Zvon Jul 18 2014 10:11 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I move that this belongs in this thread as well, courtesy of seawolf17.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2014 10:15 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2014 10:15 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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I was just doing that!
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2014 10:17 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Was that poster a giveaway? I want one of those.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 18 2014 10:20 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Zvon Jul 18 2014 10:23 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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I like that poster. I want four.
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themetfairy Jul 19 2014 07:37 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Ashie62 Jul 19 2014 10:39 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
The pitch location charts above look exactly like the MRI of my shoulder...
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themetfairy Jul 22 2014 10:22 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
The kid is awesome!
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MFS62 Jul 23 2014 07:22 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
He deserves his own thread because he has earned it.
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Centerfield Jul 23 2014 07:37 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
deGrom kind of illustrates how little I understand about scouting and labeling prospects.
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Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 07:44 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Makes it fun, though. Forecasts are forecasts.
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Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 08:02 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Also worth noting is that, what prospect watchers didn't know --- and largely couldn't know --- is that deGrom would be learning and eventually mastering a changeup taught to him by Johan Santana. Now a big pitch in his arsenal that helped him a lot last night against a lefty-stacked lineup.
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Ceetar Jul 23 2014 08:08 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
NL Rookies, fWAR
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Frayed Knot Jul 23 2014 08:11 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Part of that is age - Wheeler is two full years younger so compare, say, where he is now vs where deGrom was two years ago (single-A); part is the age at which they were drafted - college senior vs HS, meaning that Wheeler has been on the radar longer; part is small sample size - deGrom being better NOW!!!! doesn't mean he will be for the next 5 or 10 and the long term is what forecasters are trying to project part is a scouts tendency to drool over readings on the radar gun and other such talents that fall under the general category of 'Stuff' And, yeah, the scouts and touts who follow this end of the business do also get things wrong more than occasionally.
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TransMonk Jul 27 2014 04:25 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
NL Pitcher of the Month for July?
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Edgy MD Jul 27 2014 04:31 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
NL Rookie of the Year for 2014?
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 27 2014 04:50 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Edgy MD Jul 27 2014 05:08 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Strong case for Tyler Ross as well.
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metirish Jul 27 2014 08:08 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Mark Simon
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Ceetar Jul 28 2014 07:35 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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We might have to get a Billy Hamilton smear campaign going though.
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Edgy MD Jul 28 2014 07:41 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Well, the best way to hurt Hamilton's campaign is to catch and pass his currently tanking team in the standings.
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Ceetar Jul 28 2014 07:42 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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ooh, and can we have deGrom pick him off on 9/5 or something?
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smg58 Jul 28 2014 09:04 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
DeGrom has certainly earned the right to be part of the rookie discussion. Hamilton has a .717 OPS in a pitchers' park, so while his speed and defense are big plusses, I'm not conceding anything to him in July.
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Ceetar Jul 28 2014 09:14 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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I was just referencing the fWAR, which he's way ahead in, though clearly that's not how a lot of these guys make their decisions.
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Lefty Specialist Jul 28 2014 03:15 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I'm just waiting for his first Pantene commercial.
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2014 09:12 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Mets rookie pitcher Jacob deGrom named National League player of the week
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... -1.1883102
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batmagadanleadoff Jul 29 2014 09:34 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Agreed. I'd give it to Hamilton right now in a slight edge over deGrom, although I'm sensing that deGrom would pass Hamilton in my book soon enough so long as he maintains his effectiveness. A team imposed pitch limit would hinder deGrom's chances of winning this award.
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Frayed Knot Aug 01 2014 03:47 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
NY Post talks about how Jacob got his groove on
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 04 2014 10:18 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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deGrom's a real timetable changer, ain't he?
http://grantland.com/features/the-30-ml ... -deadline/
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 06 2014 10:07 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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I didn't even know this award existed.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb
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Benjamin Grimm Aug 06 2014 10:31 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
One previous Met was NL Rookie of the Month: Justin Turner in May 2011.
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Lefty Specialist Aug 10 2014 10:58 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Back to NY to be examined for shoulder soreness.
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d'Kong76 Aug 10 2014 11:11 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
¡deCrapFart!
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G-Fafif Aug 10 2014 11:23 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Good night 2014 Mets and thanks for playing!
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Edgy MD Aug 10 2014 12:51 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
deGromeo scratched from his next start.
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batmagadanleadoff Aug 10 2014 01:38 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Harvey wasn't as dominant as we'd come to expect in his last few starts right before the injury announcement. Just remembering.
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Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 10 2014 03:26 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Sometimes I think this team is completely cursed.
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Edgy MD Aug 10 2014 03:38 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
That's a trap that'll drive you crazy. Pitching is simply awful business.
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Ashie62 Aug 10 2014 04:06 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Citi was built on an Indian burial ground...
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Benjamin Grimm Aug 11 2014 09:09 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
If that's true, then so was Shea, and a lot of good things happened there.
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Centerfield Sep 10 2014 08:44 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I heard Jacob deGrom.
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Trachsel My Tears Sep 10 2014 09:48 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
We may be overly formal here. I heard TC after the game referring to him as "Jake" deGrom.
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batmagadanleadoff Sep 20 2014 03:02 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Fangraphs breaks down deGrom's eight straight K's. Rookie of the Year ain't nuthin'. deGrom's already one of the best half dozen pitchers in the NL.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/jacob-de ... t-batters/
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Edgy MD Sep 20 2014 04:32 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
As much as the ship has sailed a listing course the last three years, we've strangely had an unexpectedly remarkable pitching season in each of them.
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Frayed Knot Oct 05 2014 08:13 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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A little background on how deGrom was seen (by one person anyway) prior to this season. John Sickels had named him a "sleeper candidate" a year or so back - and sometimes those predictions work out in spades.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 10 2014 07:18 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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This poster's a lot bigger than the one above. Where does one get one of those?
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G-Fafif Oct 10 2014 07:55 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
They were handed out to fans within camera range the two times I sat in 1B field level seats not far from the dugout. I guess the Mets wanted to create the illusion of hysteria over deGrom and hoped everybody would wave them in unison. Problem was even in those very nice seats, there wasn't much of a poster-waving frenzy (or that many fans) -- but when Jake went on his strikeout roll in September, the customers were properly engaged.
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Ceetar Oct 10 2014 07:58 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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well, unless you're a Gatorade commercial.
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G-Fafif Oct 10 2014 07:59 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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DI2MAY
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Edgy MD Oct 20 2014 11:12 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Jacob deGrom wins the once-and-perhaps-again highly prestigious Sporting News Rookie of the Year.
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d'Kong76 Oct 20 2014 01:42 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Lazy Q, do the SN awards usually mirror the MLB ones?
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Edgy MD Oct 20 2014 01:53 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Certainly in the RotY results, but unfortunately for Jerry Coobysman, not in 1968.
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Ashie62 Oct 20 2014 03:34 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I grew up thinking the Sporting News was the official for ROY and Johnny Bench could go &*(^
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G-Fafif Oct 20 2014 06:41 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Kooz won Rookie Pitcher of the Year, Bench ROY, which was how TSN delineated for decades. The year before, they picked Dick Hughes over Seaver.
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Zvon Oct 20 2014 09:41 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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I was like, who the fuck is Dick Hughes? So I looked him up. The kid had a good year. 16-6 for the Cards in 1967 (Tom was 16-13). Had a league leading 0.954 WHIP. Allowed only 6.6 hits per 9, also tops. He may have gotten the SN one but Seaver got 55% of the vote for the ROY (to Dick's 30%-good for second) . Dick received 17 MVP votes. Seaver, 22. Hughes was all done in 1968. No indication what happened to him.
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dinosaur jesus Oct 20 2014 10:25 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Dick Hughes is an interesting story. He wasn't a kid. He was 29 years old, and he'd been in the Cardinals organization since 1958. He never really showed that much, but in 1966 the Cardinals loaned him to the Yankees, and he was terrific for them in AA. So the Cardinals called him up in September, he pitched well, and he made the team in 1967. And he was great--he kept them in the pennant race when Ray Washburn and then Bob Gibson went down. (Basically, while Gibson was out, Hughes pitched like Bob Gibson.) And then--rotator cuff. A few games in 1968, and that was it. The Cardinals fans still think he was robbed in the Rookie of the Year voting. That isn't exactly true, but they're not totally wrong. He was awesome. Plus he looked like Stork in Animal House, or a skinnier Billie Sol Estes.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2014 12:05 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Dick Hughes wouldn't have been a crazy pick for ROY. That race was close. Hughes set the Cards rookie record for most K's in a game (13), later tied by Scipio Spinks against the Mets. I thought Hughes sustained his rotator cuff injury in Spring Training '68, but I could be wrong on that. In 1968, that injury was the kiss of death for a pitcher, and so Hughes was essentially done.
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2014 12:12 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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G-Fafif Oct 21 2014 06:07 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Also, TSN picked Marichal over Seaver as its RHP in 1969 (as every other pack I opened in 1970 informed me). Such anti-Seaver bias!
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MFS62 Oct 21 2014 07:22 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Wow!
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batmagadanleadoff Oct 21 2014 09:37 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Topps awarded their trophy to Seaver. So it's Seaver 2 - Hughes 1.
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Frayed Knot Oct 21 2014 10:03 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
7 extra starts and 50-some more innings pitched is a good argument in Seaver's favor and enough to make up for minor differences in WHiP.
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Zvon Oct 21 2014 10:25 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Hughs certainly deserved a cardboard rookie award. If he was a Metropolitan I'd make him one. But he's not.
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Edgy MD Oct 21 2014 10:44 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I'm guessing the Mets could get... three... of those trophies next year?
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Edgy MD Nov 04 2014 10:16 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
NL Players Choice for the Outstanding Rookie.
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Zvon Nov 04 2014 11:20 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Nice. Keep rackin' em up.
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Ceetar Nov 04 2014 11:25 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Do athletes, at least the better ones, have two trophy cases? One for the 'real' awards and one for the random ones? Little trophies and plaques for things like NL Players Choice can't go next to like, NL Cy Young can they?
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Lefty Specialist Nov 04 2014 11:55 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
So I guess the NL Players Award is kind of like the People's Choice Awards, then.
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Centerfield Nov 04 2014 12:28 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Do you mean next year meaning this next year's cards for this year's rookies (d'Arnaud, Familia, deGrom) or next year meaning our three outstanding rookies next year (Herrera, Syndegaard, some yet to be determined phenom)?
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Edgy MD Nov 04 2014 12:43 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I think you meant to quote my adjacent post.
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Centerfield Nov 04 2014 02:44 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Yup. And next year there will be three more.
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G-Fafif Nov 04 2014 02:48 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Though R.A. Dickey accepting the Cy Young news was less than two years ago, seeing Jacob deGrom smiling and offering thanks for the Players Choice felt like the first time in a long time I'd seen a Met win a merit-based award. Maybe it was because R.A. was gone not long after the Cy. In any event, it was fun. I hope there's more fun next week. And for that matter, tonight Gold Glove-wise.
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Edgy MD Nov 04 2014 02:51 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AT THE CHRISTMAS PARTY JACOB!!
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Frayed Knot Nov 04 2014 03:23 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Yeah, at least we know deGrom will be here for a while ... or at least until he gets shipped to Anaheim in the Trout trade.
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Edgy MD Nov 04 2014 10:49 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Rookie of the Year finalists announced.
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Zvon Nov 05 2014 12:54 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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That is new, isn't it? This finals stuff?
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Frayed Knot Nov 05 2014 07:11 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
They've been doing it for the GG awards for the last 2 years or so but this year is the first time I remember seeing it for RoY, CY, MoY & MVP.
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Ceetar Nov 05 2014 07:33 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I went
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2014 11:35 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Yeah, I didn't realize how great d'Arnaud's second half really was until I took a look at his season numbers last week. I'd have him-- and maybe Panik-- ahead of Wong.
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Edgy MD Nov 05 2014 11:40 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
You know, it's like you forget that Jeurys is YOUR OWN SON!
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 05 2014 11:52 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
If I'm not pushing him, THEN WHO ELSE WILL, CONSARNIT?
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Ceetar Nov 05 2014 11:55 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
and what about ERIC CAMPBELL?
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Zvon Nov 09 2014 02:04 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
T-minus 24 hours.
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Edgy MD Nov 10 2014 12:57 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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The promise of Jacob deGrom and the Mets
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 10 2014 01:18 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I like that the Mets have become all about stealth prospects. Both deGrom and Lagares have shocked based on their pro careers to the point at which they joined the game. Even Harvelous has been more marvelous than you would have guessed. I'm certain these flukey successes will be balanced out by surprise flops along the way but its fun and encouraging after so many years of relying on other teams to develop Met talent to see some of these guys come along so unexpectedly. Who's next?
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Edgy MD Nov 10 2014 01:29 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
I guess, in a sense, Plawecki has snuck up on things.
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John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 10 2014 02:54 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Frayed Knot Nov 10 2014 05:28 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
BUSH(y hair) WINS!!!! *
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Zvon Nov 10 2014 06:03 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
WOOHOO! Quite a news day for our Mets.
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LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Nov 10 2014 06:43 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
He's on SNY for a "Day of deGrom" thing, in-studio for about a half-hour of chatting. Appearances can be deceiving, granted, but there's a strong aw-shucks good-guy waft around this one.
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Fman99 Nov 10 2014 08:14 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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Fboy asked if we could watch the live presentation of the award tonight and jumped up and down when they announced DeGrom as the winner. He said, "Now, at least, I know I'll be able to get a DeGrom jersey shirt next year!" as he wanted one this past summer but we could not find them at Citi. Also, he was wondering why D'Arnaud wasn't a finalist and I told him, incorrectly, that he didn't qualify because he had played too many games in the pros in 2013. Like I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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Centerfield Nov 10 2014 08:16 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
deGrom is really likeable and awkward in this SNY special. He's like the anti-Harvey.
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Edgy MD Nov 10 2014 08:27 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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This is why these things should be done at a big, dumb corny awards show.
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bmfc1 Nov 11 2014 05:55 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Booooo!:
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Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 06:16 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
1. deGrom 26-4-0-142
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Frayed Knot Nov 11 2014 06:37 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
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I know, right? You'd figure that a guy within our own division scoring ROY points and who shut us down four times (4 G vs NYM, 4 IP, 2 hits, 5 K) while having a hand in half of the six Philly wins against us would at least have his name ring a bell, but I guess that underscores the phutility of the Phillies this past year. They didn't even garner enough passion to hate this year, instead they were just ignored. The only thing to admire about the 2014 Phils is that they were able to win their season series vs the Nats (10 wins - 9 losses) while we were going a pitiful 5-14
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Edgy MD Nov 11 2014 07:19 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Oh, now he's ringing a bell. I guess.
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MFS62 Nov 11 2014 07:30 AM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
And while we're at it, WTF is the Antelope Valley Press and why does one of their writers get a vote for ROY?
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Mets – Willets Point Nov 11 2014 04:49 PM Re: Jacob deGrom deserves his own thread because ... |
Palmdale, California: http://www.avpress.com/
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