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1) You do nothing. It's unknown whether shutting a guy down is helping him and you or just denying yourself of his talent when he's healthy. Enough with the kid gloves!

6 votes

2) You do nothing. Look, I get the whole regime of care, and you don't want him pitching 276 innings like Gooden '85, but this guy is 26, not 21.

9 votes

3) Shorten his starts

2 votes

4) Shorten his starts, but from the front end. Start his games with a middle reliever and then insert him in the third.

0 votes

5) Pitch him out of the bullpen down the stretch.

0 votes

6) Pitch him out of the bullpen in August, and then re-launch him as a starter down the stretch.

0 votes

7) Pick a limit, and shut him down when he reaches that limit. He's a precious commodity for the future. The present means nothing!

3 votes

Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 08:19 AM

Mets, caught up in the culture of the times, continue to wring hands over their marginal success, torn in internal (but leaky) discussions over limiting Jacob deGrom's innings. Wheeler's too. And among their potential replacements, Rafael Montero and Noah Syndergaard would be looking at eventual shutdowns too, under the general philosophy. You saw that coming. Please pick a selection [crossout]below[/crossout] above that best represents your general attitude. Feel free to elaborate below.

Ceetar Jul 23 2014 08:29 AM Re: deShutdown

Edgy MD wrote: Please pick a selection below that best represents your general attitude. Feel free to elaborate below. but but the selections are ABOVE Don't do anything. These situations often resolve themselves in some ways. And if the Mets don't actually climb into a pennant race, you can do whatever you want in late August/September. 6-7 man rotations, bullpen, early shutdowns for some, etc. Especially if he/they starts to look gassed.

Edgy MD Jul 23 2014 08:31 AM Re: deShutdown

They were below when I typed it. I should have included an "expand the rotation" option.

Centerfield Jul 23 2014 08:33 AM Re: deShutdown

Also, I thought I read someplace that deGrom has already had TJ surgery. Did I make that up?

HahnSolo Jul 23 2014 08:44 AM Re: deShutdown

I don't know really whether the innings limit accomplishes what it sets out to do... which I guess is not overworking arms so that they don't break down? Much as I would like to vote "do nothing" I realize that is not just a DeGrom decision; that would have to be an organization-wide mandate and I don't think the org will do that. I'm not sure if they should either...again I'm not really sure whether it accomplishes anything or not. Lots of young guys with innings limits still come down with arm injuries. I'm very much intrigued by 4, and would love to see a team try that. But I suspect it will be either: 3, which I don't really like; 7, which I guess I can live with if the org is going to stick to its limits; or the write in candidate of expanding the rotation. I'd go with expanding the rotation

MFS62 Jul 23 2014 08:52 AM Re: deShutdown

HahnSolo wrote: I'd go with expanding the rotation That's the option I was looking for. And, yes, he has already had TJ surgery. Later

d'Kong76 Jul 23 2014 09:10 AM Re: deShutdown

I took de#2

seawolf17 Jul 23 2014 09:20 AM Re: deShutdown

I took de#2 also, although #1 is really the same to me.

TransMonk Jul 23 2014 09:31 AM Re: deShutdown

I see no need to shut him down. If anything, I agree that there are plenty of arms for the innings left. The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it.

themetfairy Jul 23 2014 09:48 AM Re: deShutdown

TransMonk wrote: I see no need to shut him down. If anything, I agree that there are plenty of arms for the innings left. The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it. I like this option the best.

TransMonk Jul 23 2014 09:57 AM Re: deShutdown

TransMonk wrote: The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it. After reading this again, I guess it should be "whomever needs it", right?

themetfairy Jul 23 2014 10:25 AM Re: deShutdown

TransMonk wrote: TransMonk wrote: The Mets should get creative using a rotation of more than 5 starters to give work and/or rest to whoever needs it. After reading this again, I guess it should be "whomever needs it", right? No, actually. "Whoever needs it" is correct.

TransMonk Jul 23 2014 11:31 AM Re: deShutdown

Thanks...as much as I try, I can never keep that straight in my head!

themetfairy Jul 23 2014 12:18 PM Re: deShutdown

You would use whom the same way you would use him Who needs it? He needs it. To whom? To him.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 24 2014 11:34 AM Re: deShutdown

Post-TJ? Age 26? Gimme #2. (Although both the start-with-middle-reliever-then-deGrom option and the off-the-menu expanded-rotation option intrigue, because, hey, Fun With Optimizin'-Strategemizin'!)

TheOldMole Jul 24 2014 01:12 PM Re: deShutdown

MetFairy has it. Substitute he and him, and it's easy. And pitchers should pitch. Rather than limit innings, or count pitches, both of which are ridiculous if you're not a little leaguer, teach pitchers to pitch with some respect for the human arm, and teach them to be smart (can you do that?)

Ceetar Jul 24 2014 01:24 PM Re: deShutdown

TheOldMole wrote: MetFairy has it. Substitute he and him, and it's easy. And pitchers should pitch. Rather than limit innings, or count pitches, both of which are ridiculous if you're not a little leaguer, teach pitchers to pitch with some respect for the human arm, and teach them to be smart (can you do that?) You're up 2-1. 8th inning. You're at 90 pitches, with a runner on second and a slugger at the plate. What pitching _isn't_ pushing through any fatigue there? maybe subconsciously dropping their arm angle, pushing through a little pain?

Zvon Jul 24 2014 03:04 PM Re: deShutdown

themetfairy wrote: You would use whom the same way you would use him Who needs it? He needs it. To whom? To him. Great tip TMF :) I picked shorten his outings, and I mean that with possible exceptions. Use something that is rarely used anymore. Discretion.

seawolf17 Jul 24 2014 04:00 PM Re: deShutdown

Cerrone's got a hairbrained double-start idea where deGrom and Syndergaard go four innings each on a designated day. Why not just go to a six-man rotation?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 24 2014 05:25 PM Re: deShutdown

seawolf17 wrote: Cerrone's got a hairbrained double-start idea where deGrom and Syndergaard go four innings each on a designated day. Why not just go to a six-man rotation? The half-start thing-- as I've heard it-- puts them on target to throw every 2-3 days (as they do most of the season, throw days inclusive), only instead of start/throw days, you've got two long-relief stints. The six-man rotation spreads out that routine a bit, to the extent that it might throw off routine-reliant pitchers (read: ALL of them).