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The Best of Mork

Edgy MD
Aug 11 2014 09:22 PM

Your mileage may differ. In fact, I hope it does. Take this with the usual caveat of "based on what I've seen... ," along with a healthy realization that I haven't seem much of his from the last 15 years, during which he's scarcely slowed down.

[list=1][*]The Fisher King (1991)[/*:m]
[*]Dead Poet's Society (1989)[/*:m]
[*]Awakenings (1990)[/*:m]
[*]Aladdin (1992)[/*:m]
[*]The World According to Garp (1982)[/*:m]
[*]Moscow on the Hudson (1984)[/*:m]
[*]Good Morning, Vietnam (1987)[/*:m]
[*]The Birdcage (1996)[/*:m]
[*]Club Paradise (1986)[/*:m]
[*]Toys (1992)[/*:m][/list:o]

Supporting Roles
[list=1][*]Good Will Hunting (1997)[/*:m]
[*]Dead Again (1991)[/*:m]
[*]The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988)[/*:m]
[*]Hamlet (1996)[/*:m]
[*]Jumanji (1995)[/*:m]
[*]Nine Months (1994)[/*:m][/list:o]

I thought my choice inclusion of personal favorite Moscow and guilty pleasure Club Paradise would look pretty controversial, but there just isn't a lot of quality from the beginning of his career. And then, smack in the middle, he pulls down four best actor Oscar nominations in four years (Vietnam, Dead Poets, Awakenings, and Fisher King). He was considered a real contender all four years, but somehow got shut out, finally winning his lone Oscar in a supporting role. I don't know what it means, probably nothing. Just a funny time to be a young adult for me and mine, to see the funniest TV actor from our childhoods suddenly an unstoppable force for carrying weighty and ambitious films. Could you imagine, I dunno, Jonathan Winters suddenly asked in the early seventies to do Jane Eyre or Save the Tiger or something?

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 11 2014 09:35 PM
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I admired what he could do -- the manic energy he gave every role -- but was never all in on him as an actor. It was just like he plays "an eccentric _________ ."

Doctor!
Teacher!
Writer!
Actor!
Genie!
Alien!

Edgy MD
Aug 11 2014 09:48 PM
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Well, two things you need in assessing Robin is the hyphenated noun "man-child," and a specially designed scale built for balancing madcap comedy with pathos. He was bearing all of our sins in a lot of films.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 11 2014 10:04 PM
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Laughing while just on the verge of crying-- or, as in One Hour Photo*, creeping the living shit out of someone? Yeah, lots of that.

As far as actual performances as a real-type person go, for my money, he's probably best in Awakenings. Restrained, but not, like, crazy-under-there-if-only-he-weren't-so-buttoned-up restrained.

*Or Insomnia? No place for these in your top tenner?

Vic Sage
Aug 11 2014 10:30 PM
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My Top 10 (in order):
Fisher King
World According to Garp
The Birdcage
Good Morning, Vietnam
Aladdin
Good Will Hunting
Dead Poets Society
Moscow on the Hudson
Mrs. Doubtfire
Awakenings


The next 10 (some personal faves):
Happy Feet
Jumanji
What Dreams May Come
Bicentennial Man
one hour photo
Insomnia
World's Greatest Dad
Baron Munchausen
Toys
Popeye


The Robin Williams film festival: 12 weeks of double features!

FISHER KING
GOOD MORNING, VIETNAM
- The impact of radio on the worlds of Mr. Williams

THE BIRDCAGE
MRS. DOUBTFIRE
- He's a gay man and a cross dresser, trying to get his kid's approval

GOOD WILL HUNTING
DEAD POETS SOCIETY
- He inspires us,as a doctor and a teacher

WORLD ACCORDING TO GARP
WORLD'S GREATEST DAD
- In both, he's a writer whose son meets a tragicomic end

WHAT DREAMS MAY COME
BICENNTENNIAL MAN
- Triumph of the human spirit over non-human circumstances (either dead or a robot) in these SF/Fantasies

JUMANJI
HOOK
- Trying to recover his lost youth in this pair of fantasies

MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON
AUGUST RUSH
- He's a musician in NYC

AWAKENINGS
PATCH ADAMS
- He's a doctor, working miracles

ALADDIN
POPEYE
- Williams sings as cartoon characters

ONE HOUR PHOTO
INSOMNIA
-Williams in psycho-thrillers

TOYS
BARON MUNCHAUSEN
- Whimsy runs amok

HAPPY FEET
ROBOTS
- supporting roles in animated features

themetfairy
Aug 12 2014 05:55 AM
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Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 12 2014 07:26 AM

What I love about The Birdcage is that it's the only American remake of a French comedy that is as funny, if not funnier, than the original (La Cage aux Folles). Generally the French humor doesn't translate, but Williams and Nathan Lane were fabulous.

RealityChuck
Aug 12 2014 06:50 AM
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The Fisher King
Aladdin
Good Will Hunting
Moscow on the Hudson
Good Morning Vietnam
Popeye
Baron Munchausen
Dead Again
Hook


Williams had his misfires (including some of his best-known films, though the fault was usually due to the scripts, not Williams) and could go too deeply into pathos, but when given the right role and a good director, he was wonderful.

Frayed Knot
Aug 12 2014 07:02 AM
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Fisher King on the top of my list too.

The strong director thing is something I always thought was key.
We often hear about movies with gratuitous sex or gratuitous violence. Well some movies suffered from gratuitous Robin Williams, where the lack of reining him in could throw the whole flick into a mash-up between coherent film and RW stand-up routine.

Edgy MD
Aug 12 2014 07:11 AM
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Of course, Hook had an appropriate role (another man-child) and a good director and it still missed.

It's real alchemy, the filmmaking business. Sometimes all (or most of) the elements can be there, and they just won't mix.

Ceetar
Aug 12 2014 09:20 AM
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Was in The Crazy Ones tv show last year. Watched the first couple of episodes and enjoyed it but it fell off my DVR due to timing.

Edgy MD
Aug 12 2014 10:50 AM
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For nine fucking innings?!

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Mets – Willets Point
Aug 12 2014 11:30 AM
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Isn't one of the problems with Hook that they got Robin Williams to play the straight guy surrounded by eccentrics?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 12 2014 05:51 PM
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My Top Ten:

Fisher King
The Birdcage
Good Morning, Vietnam
Awakenings
Baron Munchausen
Good Will Hunting
Dead Poets Society
The World According To Garp
What Dreams May Come (mess of a movie, but Williams is heartbreaking)
One Hour Photo


Near misses:
Moscow on the Hudson
Insomnia
Mrs. Doubtfire
Hook
Aladdin

Edgy MD
Aug 13 2014 08:14 AM
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The Robin Williams film festival: 12 weeks of double features!

Dead Again
Good Will Hunting


He's a psychiatrist... at a crossroads. And he's never had a case like this!

Frayed Knot
Aug 13 2014 08:46 AM
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THE BEST OF TIMES has gone unmentioned here. Certainly not a great movie but one that's better than that type of movie usually is.
Robin Williams convinces his friend and HS star Kurt Russell to organize a replay of 'The Big Game' 20-some years after the fact so that William's character can at least partially erase his big HS failure and, in the process, those of his small home town in the years since.

Vic Sage
Aug 13 2014 08:57 AM
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The problem with DEAD AGAIN and MUNCHAUSEN, in this context, is that they're not really Robin Williams films. Williams isn't even giving a supporting performance in these movies; his roles are little more than glorified cameos. But he does make a big impact in them (or, as he says in ALADDIN: ""Phenomenal cosmic power...itty bitty living space"), so they are certainly worth mentioning.

As for BEST OF TIMES, i had originally included it among my double feature list with CADILLAC MAN, as pedestrian comedies about a guy desperately trying to overcome one bad day. But neither of these movies is very good, nor were they particularly successful or acclaimed, so i ignored them, along with comedies like NINE MONTHS, CLUB PARADISE, JACK, FATHER'S DAY, FLUBBER, RV, and MAN OF THE YEAR, and the dramas BEING HUMAN,NIGHT LISTENER, THE FINAL CUT and the uncategorizable DEATH TO SMOOCHY.

Edgy MD
Aug 13 2014 09:22 AM
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Yeah, I included Dead Again and Munchausen on a secondary list, but these Cranepoolers, they cheat. They cheat like hell.

Sheesh, nobody's even touched on Jakob the Liar. It's like it doesn't exist. I haven't seen it, but it seems like just the most lost decision-making process ever.

> Robin, I know this is big, but only you can do it. It's a film about finding our humanity... in the midst of the Holocaust.

>>> What do you mean only I can do it? Roberto Begnini just did it, and it won a pile of awards.

> But this will be... KINDA different... and...

>>> And The Pianist. They gave an Oscar to Roman Fucking Polanski!

> So, you'll be, like... the third in four years to... you know... go there!

>>> What kind of money are we talking?

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr
Aug 13 2014 09:34 AM
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I forgot he was in Dead Again, and I liked Dead Again a lot. (Admittedly, I haven't seen it in just about 20 years, but still.)

I never forget he was in Munchausen.

I interviewed him once-- by phone, with 3-4 other collegiate wannabe-journalists-- after Death to Smoochy. Between the others, his barking dogs (it was something like 8 or 9 am, California time), and the RobinWIlliamsness of him... the conversation was a little bumpy. (He was-- or seemed-- remarkably gracious considering the situation, and some of the questions he got from the Temple U. kid.) Whether or not he actually bought it-- and judging from the enthusiasm of the junket-putter-onners, few people associated with the movie outside of Devito seemed to buy it-- he did sell the hell out of the movie.

RealityChuck
Aug 13 2014 11:45 AM
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The problem with Williams is separating him from his films. I don't think he had a fully satisfying starring role in a first-class movie (other than The Fisher King and Aladdin). Of those I've seen, his starring vehicles were usually flawed in one way or another (sometimes terribly so); the first-class movies he was in all had him in a supporting role, and he was a far better supporting actor -- where he could be controlled -- than a lead.

Vic Sage
Aug 13 2014 12:08 PM
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Robin Williams selected filmography:

The 80s ---------------

Popeye (1980)- Williams 1st major film role was a total flop musical adaptation of the comic strip, mis-directed by Robert Altman, with somber songs by Harry Nillson. the movie's general weirdness, and Nilllson's songs, have developed a bit of a cult reputation for it.

The World According to Garp (1982) - Williams shines in this tragicomedy, beautifully adapted from the picaresque Irving novel by George Roy Hill, earning Oscar nominations for Glenn Close and John Lithgow.

The Survivors (1983) - This comic misfire by Michael Ritchie teamed Williams with Walter Matthau to less than spectacular results.

Moscow on the Hudson(1984) - Williams got a Golden Globe nomination as a Russian musician defecting in NYC in this sweet Paul Mazursky film.

Club Paradise (1986) - This Harold Ramis "comedy" is a blight on the career of Peter O'Toole.

The Best of Times (1986) - Williams teams with Kurt Russell in a comedy about guys trying to rewrite their high school football failures with one last big game. Pedestrian, but the Ron Shelton script gives it a whiff of authentic jockitude.

Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) - Williams's biggest critical and commercial hit to this point, he won a Golden Globe and got an Oscar nomination for his performance as an irreverent Vietnam War Armed Forces DJ, directed by Barry Levinson. Its the first time a director figured out how to let Williams be Williams on screen, and it relaunched Williams' career as not only an actor but as a movie star.

The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988) - Terry Gilliam's surreal fantasy features a great cameo by Williams as the king of the moon in an otherwise earthbound piece of whimsy.

Dead Poets Society (1989) - Peter Weir directed this old fashioned "inspiring teacher" tale that earned big BO and a pocketful of awards, including Oscar and Globe nominations for Williams; it's not my favorite Weir or Williams film and is too polite by half, but its a solid entertainment despite the hollow platitudes of its Oscar-winning script.

The 90s --------------------

Cadillac Man (1990) - Williams teams with Tim Robbins in this unfunny comedy about a car salesman trying to talk a gun-toting biker, insane with jealousy, out of shooting up the car dealership, and so redeem his crappy life.

Awakenings (1990) - Williams got a GGlobe nomination opposite Robert DeNiro, playing it straight in this medical drama based on a true story, directed with heavy-handed obviousness and piety by Penny (Laverne) Marshall. Her brother Gary had originally launched Robin's TV career with HAPPY DAYS and MORK.

Dead Again (1991 ) - Williams is great in a small part as a doctor involved in Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson's comic noir about reincarnated lovers. It came and went, but has evolved a solid critical and cult rep.

The Fisher King (1991) - Re-teaming with Terry Gilliam, Williams got a GG award and an Oscar nomination opposite Jeff Bridges, as a man driven insane by tragic loss who inspires a cynical, broken radio shock jock into committing an act of faith. A story of friendship, trauma, love and redemption, and the best film of his career. Gilliam, working from an Oscar winning script by Richard LaGravenese, made his second look at the Grail legend into his most coherent and moving film.

Hook (1991) - Overproduced, underwhelming Peter Pan sequel by Spielberg was a hit, with Williams as a grown up Pan who has forgotten who he is, Dustin Hoffman chewing the scenery as Captain Hook, and Julia Roberts as Tink. The movie isn't directed, it's art directed. Neverland is a candy-colored theme park, and the action is slapdash. Still, there is something that resonates about a father who has to reclaim his youthful spirit in order to save his children.

Toys(1992) - Another triumph of art direction over narrative, this time Williams re-teams with Barry Levinson in an over-stylized, incomprehensibly allegorical example of lead-footed whimsy. It does have a good soundrack, though, and i always like Joan Cusack.

Aladdin (1992) - Williams' genie is a special effect that launched this otherwise mediocre Disney cartoon into the stratosphere on the wings of a few great Alan Menken songs.

Mrs. Doubtfire (1993) - Williams won a Golden Globe for this cross-dressing TOOTSIE-style comedy about a divorced dad trying to spend time with his kids and keep a job. It was a mega-hit, the biggest of Williams' career. But the film, by hackmeister Chris Columbus, lacks the teeth to deal with divorce honestly, and it overly sentimentalizes everything. Still, it's entertaining in its own manipulative way.There was a sequel being written but that project is now likely cancelled with his death. But there is still a Broadway musical adaptation being developed.

Being Human (1994) - Terrific Scot director Bill Forsyth (LOCAL HERO) couldn't execute the ambition of his own screenplay in this disappointing film with Williams as a single soul reincarnated throughout history.

Jumanji (1995) - This family fantasy adventure about a magical board game is almost overwhelmed by its effects, but it retains its heart, thanks to Williams and Bonnie Hunt.

Nine Months (1995) - Chris Columbus strikes again, with a Hugh Grant romantic comedy that is neither romantic nor particularly comic, except for Williams in a supporting role as a mad Russian obstetrician.

Jack (1995) - Francis Ford Coppola crashed and burned with this comic drama about a child with premature aging who becomes Robin Williams, in the style of BIG-type body-switching comedies. The problem was the comedy wasn't funny and the drama wasn't dramatic, and Coppola clearly had no interest in this crap.

The Birdcage (1996) - This Mike Nichols remake of the French comedy LA CAGE AUX FOLLES is a hilarious adaptation, teaming Williams with Nathan Lane as a gay couple running a drag nightclub in south beach, pretending to be straight married couple when they host their son's fiance and future in-laws (conservative politician played by Gene Hackman). Its funny and poignant, and was a huge hit. Williams is actually the "straight man" for Lane's amazingly over the top yet touching drag queen. Hank Azaria's houseboy is a comic gem of a performance.

Good Will Hunting (1997) - Williams finally won an Oscar for his supporting performance as the psychologist to Matt Damon's southie savant. The Damon-Affleck script and performances offer surprisingly strong context for Williams' sort of working-class headshrinker.

Flubber (1997) - Disney remake based on a John Hughes script; it was a hit, but just awful on every level.

Fathers' Day (1997) - If one French adaptation with Williams worked, why not another? Here, Williams and Billy Crystal remake LES COMPRERES in a film by Ivan Reitman, and it doesn't work at all.

Patch Adams (1998) - Williams got another Globe nomination for this mediocre dramedy about a doctor who challenges the medical establishment and wants to heal through humor. Ugh. Even the real Patch Adams hated it.

What Dreams May Come (1998) Based on a classic story by legendary SF/fantasy writer Richard Matheson, this deeply affecting story of love after death offers a ravishing vision of the afterworld that won Oscars for its art direction and visual effects. I know some have a problem with this movie, but it left me bawling like an infant.

Bicentennial Man (1999) - The ineluctable Chris Columbus pops up once more to nearly ruin this Asimov story of a robot on his journey towards personhood, but Williams snatches it away and steers it safely to harbor within the human heart. Like WHAT DREAMS MAY COME, many view this as mawkish and overly sentimental, and i cannot argue. But it worked for me.

Jacob the Liar (1999) - wow, was this a bad idea. If LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL, then JACOB is decidedly not.

The new millenium ---------------

Insomnia (2002) - Chris Nolan adapted a Norwegian thriller, with Williams as a serial killer in Alaska and Al Pacino as a corrupt cop in pursuit. The film was well received, and Williams was a chilling psycho, but it felt lethargic and meandering to me.

Death to Smoochy (2002) - Danny DeVito's black comedy about a corrupt and murderous kiddie show host was a total disaster on every level, but its undiluted and uncompromising misanthropy has made this something of a cult film over the years.

One Hour Photo (2002) - Like INSOMNIA, Williams again plays a psycho stalking a family he thinks he is a part of. Reminiscent in some ways of TAXI DRIVER, it was a low budget indie thriller that made some money and has earned a critical reputation.

The Final Cut (2004) - This European SF drama raises issues of privacy, surveillance and memory, but doesn't dramatize them, and is just dull and obscure.

Robots (2005) - An amusing CGI-animated SF feature, with Williams in a solid supporting role as a broken down robot.

Man of the Year (2006) - The third time is not the charm for Williams as he re-teams with Barry Levinson for this wan political satire that lacks bite and loses its focus.

Night at the Museum (2006) - This hit family fantasy with Ben Stiller features Williams in a solid supporting performance as Teddy Roosevelt. Not memorable, but not bad. Williams reprises the role in the film's 2 sequels, which are even less memorable and much less "not bad".

Happy Feet (2006) - Williams is great as a latin penguin in George (The Road Warrior) Miller's CGI animated conservation movie and its sequel.

RV (2006) - mildly amusing family comedy by Barry Sonnenfeld, with workaholic Williams learning the value of "family" on a disastrous vacation.

August Rush (2007) - Williams as a Fagin-like figure, exploiting the musical talents of runaways, including a savant orphan who believes his parents are alive and looking for him in NYC. Like many Williams dramas, its schmaltzy and sentimental, but its supposed to be, so your tolerance for that will dictate your reaction. But our human interconnectedness through music is a compelling theme regardless.

World's Greatest Dad (2009) This underrated and overlooked black comedy by Bobcat Goldthwait about a father exploiting the death of his own son is a perverse little gem of social satire.

Old Dogs (2009) - Instead of 3 MEN AND A BABY, it's 2 IDIOTS AND SOME TWINS, with Williams and John Travolta in as bad a movie as Williams ever made.

John Cougar Lunchbucket
Aug 13 2014 12:19 PM
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That's an awful lot of not-great flix.

Vic Sage
Aug 13 2014 12:25 PM
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and i left out a bunch, too.

Vic Sage
Aug 14 2014 11:38 AM
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Edgy MD wrote:
For nine fucking innings?!

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Ellis is So High on the Diamond
(To the tune of “Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds” by Lennon / McCartney)

Picture him now on the mound at Three Rivers
With two base-runners starting, and threatening skies
The umpire calls him, he answers quite slowly
He’s the guy with 2 pinwheels for eyes

With the sweat soaking through the yellow and black
Wiping his brow, he looks in for a sign
He stares like a guy with the sun in his eyes
He's so gone

Ellis is so high on the diamond
Ellis is so high on the diamond
Ellis is so high on the diamond
Aaaahhhhhh.....

He stands in the dugout, takes a sip at the fountain
He got out of the inning to his great surprise
His teammates all grin as he drifts past them, smiling
He is so incredibly high

Newspaper writers appear at his stall
Anxious to drive him away
They tear at him, frenzied, blood in the water…
He’s gone.

Ellis is so high on the diamond
Ellis is so high on the diamond
Ellis is so high on the diamond
Aaaahhhhhh.....

Picture the man on a train leaving Pittsburgh
With the sealed plastic cups packed in with his ties
Suddenly something is there by the turnstile
But the drug-sniffing dog lets him by

Ellis was so high on the diamond
Ellis was so high on the diamond
Ellis was so high on the diamond
Aaaahhhhhh.....

Zvon
Aug 14 2014 08:32 PM
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*MOVIE SPOILER=GARP*





I remember that the end of Garp was very upsetting to me. It was shortly after Lennon was killed and I didn't expect the flick to end that way, even though IIRC you kind of saw it coming. Great movie but not sure of my fav. I've never seen Dead Poets Society.

What Dreams May Come= this movie pulls at your heartstrings throughout. Beautifully acted, fantastic cinematography and amazingly colorful at times--were they sets or CGI?- I don't know. One of the saddest movies Ive ever seen. I would recommend it.



In a recent commercial what he said, and his quote from Whitman, struck a major chord with me, every time I heard it.
We don’t read and write poetry because it’s cute. We read and write poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering – these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love – these are what we stay alive for.

To quote from Whitman,

“O me, O life of the questions of these recurring. Of the endless trains of the faithless. Of cities filled with the foolish. What good amid these, O me, O life? Answer: that you are here. That life exists and identity. That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.”

“That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.”

What will your verse be?