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Rookie of the Year Talk

batmagadanleadoff Aug 02 2014 07:14 PM

Here's a list of each team's last Rookie of the Year Winner: 2013 Rays Wil Myers 2013 Marlins Jose Fernandez 2012 Angels Mike Trout 2012 Nationals Bryce Harper 2011 Braves Craig Kimbrel 2010 Rangers Neftali Perez 2010 Giants Buster Posey 2009 A’s Andrew Bailey 2008 Cubs Geovany Soto 2007 Red Sox Dustin Pedroia 2007 Brewers Ryan Braun 2006 Tigers Justin Verlander 2005 Phillies Ryan Howard 2004 Pirates Jason Bay 2003 Royals Angel Berroa 2002 Blue Jays Eric Hinske 2002 Rockies Jason Jennings 2001 Mariners Ichiro Suzuki 2001 Cardinals Albert Pujols 1999 Reds Scott Williamson 1998 D’Backs -No D'Back ever won this award- 1996 Yankees Derek Jeter 1996 Dodgers Todd Hollansworth 1995 Twins Marty Cordova 1991 Astros Jeff Bagwell 1990 Indians Sandy Alomar, Jr. 1989 Orioles Gregg Olson 1987 Padres Benito Santiago 1985 White Sox Ozzie Guillen 1984 Mets Dwight Gooden

Zvon Aug 02 2014 07:19 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

'84? I guess I knew that but still. Wow.

TheOldMole Aug 03 2014 07:49 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

It's been a while for the Dodgers, hasn't it? With no more Tommy LaSorda.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 03 2014 08:07 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Well, it's not as if they've been lacking for good young talent. It's just that the breakout seasons for those guys have been in Year 2 or 3 of late (or run concurrent with an even bigger rookie year, as with Puig/Jose Fernandez).

Benjamin Grimm Aug 03 2014 08:09 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Are there any strong rookies in the NL this year? Or do deGrom and perhaps, d'Arnaud, have a legitimate shot? I think d'Arnaud needs to get his batting average up above .250, which won't be easy at this point, to really get into the conversation. DeGrom's handicap is that the innings limit will likely prevent him from finishing the season.

Ceetar Aug 03 2014 08:53 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Are there any strong rookies in the NL this year? Or do deGrom and perhaps, d'Arnaud, have a legitimate shot? I think d'Arnaud needs to get his batting average up above .250, which won't be easy at this point, to really get into the conversation. DeGrom's handicap is that the innings limit will likely prevent him from finishing the season. we had this going in another thread. Not that voters use fWAR mostly, but Billy Hamilton had built quite a lead. Billy Hamilton 3.2 Chris Owings 1.9 Jacob deGrom 1.7 .. Travis d'Arnaud 0.6 Eric Campbell 0.5 Jeurys Familia 0.5

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 11:24 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

It's been a while for the Dodgers, hasn't it? With no more Tommy LaSorda. Though the Dodgers haven't produced a ROY since 1996, Hollandsworth, their last winner, was the fifth of five straight Dodger ROY's, a major league record: 1996 Todd Hollandsworth 1995 Hideo Nomo 1994 Raul Mondesi 1993 Mike Piazza 1992 Eric Karros During Lasorda's managerial stint, the Dodgers also ran off a four straight ROY streak from 1979-1982: 1982 Steve Sax 1981 Fernando Valenzuela 1980 Steve Howe 1979 Rick Sutcliffe Dodgers also won the ROY in four of the award's first seven seasons: 1953 Jim Gilliam 1952 Joe Black 1951 1950 1949 Don Newcombe 1948 1947 Jackie Robinson Here's a list of each team's next to last ROY winner: 2011 Rays Jeremy Hellickson 2009 Marlins Chris Coghlan 2005 A's Huston Street 2000 Mariners Kazuhiro Sasaki 2000 Braves Rafael Furcal 1999 Royals Carlos Beltran 1998 Cubs Kerry Wood 1998 Dbacks -No D'back ever won the ROY 1997 Phillies Scott Rolen 1997 Red Sox Nomar Garciaparra 1995 Dodgers Hideo Nomo 1993 Angels Tim Salmon 1993 Rockies -franchise has just one ROY winner 1992 Brewers Pat Listach 1991 Twins Chuck Knoblauch 1988 Reds Chris Sabo 1986 Cardinals Todd Worrell 1983 White Sox Ron Kittle 1983 Mets Darryl Strawberry 1982 Orioles Cal Ripken, Jr. 1981 Yankees Dave Righetti 1980 Indians Joe Charboneau 1979 Blue Jays Alfredo Griffin 1978 Tigers Lou Whitaker 1977 (Nationals)/Expos Andre Dawson 1976 Padres Butch Metzger 1975 Giants John Montefusco 1974 Rangers Mike Hargrove 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has just one ROY winner 1947* Pirates -franchise has just one ROY winner * first year of award

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 01:37 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Quiz Rules: One guess per post, and NO CONSECUTIVE POSTS. If you guess, you wait until somebubby else posts, then you come in. One point per correct guess. Minus one point per incorrect guess. Three incorrect guesses and you're done. Oh, and no peeking. Honor system. Question: Since Dwight Gooden was the NL Rookie of the Year in 1984, the Mets have had 13 players garner ROY votes for them. Name those 13.

Frayed Knot Aug 03 2014 01:40 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Gregg Jefferies ... TWICE!!

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 03 2014 01:44 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Kaz Matsui

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 01:46 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

I'm going to give FK two points for your one guess there. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 2 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 3 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay Frayed Knot: 2 Mets Guy: 1

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 03 2014 01:49 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

David Wight?

Zvon Aug 03 2014 01:50 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

All those rules and FK just goes: pow,pow. 2 points on one. Jose Reyes?

Frayed Knot Aug 03 2014 01:54 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Matt Harvey

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 01:58 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Neither David Wight nor David Wright managed to finish in the money, putting up a rookie year that was only a third of a year. Matt Harvey (10 starts) similarly watched the RotY action from the sidelines. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 2 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 3 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 4 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) Zvon: 1 Mets Guy: 0 (1 X)

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 03 2014 02:01 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

How about Ike. Remember when Ike had potential?

Zvon Aug 03 2014 02:02 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Rey Ordonez

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 02:09 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

You don't get RotY for potential, but performance, and Ike exhibited performance. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 2 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 3 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 4 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 5 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 6 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey Zvon: 2 Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) Mets Guy: 1 (1 X)

Zvon Aug 03 2014 02:23 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Wiggy!

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 03 2014 02:24 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Got to go with someone from Gen K. Izzy?

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 02:36 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Sorry, Zvon. Force to unallow that answer and flag you for technically posting twice in a row. X OH!! No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 2 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 3 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 4 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 5 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 6 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 7 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X)

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 04:07 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Because too much of a good thing is even better, here's a list of every team's next to next to last ROY winner: 2008 Rays Evan Longoria 2006 Marlins Hanley Ramirez 2004 A's Bobby Crosby 1998 D'Backs -franchise has no ROY winners 1994 Royals Bob Hamelin 1994 Dodgers Raul Mondesi 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1990 Braves Dave Justice 1989 Cubs Jerome Walton 1985 Cardinals Vince Coleman 1984 Mariners Alvin Davis 1979 Twins John Castino 1977 Orioles Eddie Murray 1977 Blue Jays -franchise has two ROY winners- 1976 Tigers Mark Fidrych 1976 Reds Pat Zachry 1975 Red Sox Fred Lynn 1973 Giants Gary Matthews 1972 Mets Jon Matlack 1971 Indians Chris Chambliss 1970 Yankees Thurman Munson 1970 (Expos)/Nationals Carl Morton 1969 (Pilots)/Brewers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1966 White Sox Tommie Agee 1964 Phillies Richie Allen 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 (Senators)/Rangers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 04:24 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 05:19 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 2 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 3 1994 Jones T8 3 0 2% Mondesi 4 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 5 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 6 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 8 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) batmagadanleadoff: 1 Five more rookie sensations out there.

DocTee Aug 03 2014 06:21 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Kevin Mitchell?

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 06:52 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Because too much of a good thing is even better, here's a list of every team's next to next to last ROY winner:... ...1972 Mets Jon Matlack Darryl Strawberry ain't stone soup.

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 06:56 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Kevin Mitchell? Good call. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1986 Mitchell 3 22 1 18% Worrell 2 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 3 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 4 1994 Jones T8 3 0 2% Mondesi 5 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 6 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 7 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 8 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 9 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) batmagadanleadoff: 1 DocTee: 1 Four more Mets rookies to go.

DocTee Aug 03 2014 06:59 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Dave Magadan .

Centerfield Aug 03 2014 07:21 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Jeff Kent.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 07:34 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Because too much of a good thing is even better, here's a list of every team's next to next to last ROY winner:... ...1972 Mets Jon Matlack Darryl Strawberry ain't stone soup.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 08:05 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's fourth most recent ROY winner: 2003 Marlins Dontrelle Willis 1998 A's Ben Grieve 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'Backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Dodgers Mike Piazza 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1978 Braves Bob Horner 1977 Mariners -franchise has three ROY winners- 1977 Blue Jays -franchise has two ROY winners- 1974 Cardinals Bake McBride 1973 Orioles Al Bumbry 1972 Red Sox Carlton Fisk 1969 Royals Lou Piniella 1969 (Pilots)/Brewers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 (Expos)/Nationals -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1968 Yankees Stan Bahnsen 1968 Reds Johnny Bench 1967 Twins Rod Carew 1967 Mets Tom Seaver 1963 White Sox Gary Peters 1962 Cubs Ken Hubbs 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 (Senators)/Rangers -franchise has two ROY winners- 1957 Phillies Jack Sanford 1955 Indians Herb Score 1953 Tigers Harvey Kuenn 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 08:31 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Oh, sorry, I missed a "next to.' Dave Magadan had a heckuva half season in 1987, punchless as it was, but came up empty. Jeff Kent split his rookie season between the AL and the NL... and got no RoY votes in either. My scoring system has turned this into a war of attrition. Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) batmagadanleadoff: 1 DocTee: 0 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X)

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 08:44 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

You know who I'm saying got some ROY votes. You know what I'm saying?

Edgy MD Aug 03 2014 08:49 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Yes to Payday, no to Mann. I generally make it a habit to say no to menn, in fact. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1986 Mitchell 3 22 1 18% Worrell 2 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 3 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 4 1994 Jones T8 3 0 2% Mondesi 5 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 6 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 7 2000 Payton 3 37 1 23% Furcal 8 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 9 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 10 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) DocTee: 0 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) Come on.... THINK back to the scintillating Rookie of the Year races of yestertimes.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 03 2014 08:56 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

This has been an educational thread because I'm gonna adopt some of Edgy's new rules in my next quiz and an hour ago, I had no idea what stone soup was.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 03 2014 10:08 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Nobody's mentioned Baby Rey?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 04:15 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Baby Rey has been tagged already. Number six above. batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) DocTee: 0 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) LWFS: -1 (1 X) Should have credited correct answers with two points, like I used to.

DocTee Aug 04 2014 05:25 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Mike Jacobs

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 06:19 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Good guess. Mike Jacobs may have only played 30 games in 2005, but .310 / .375 / .710 // 1.085 is a heckuva line. No votes, though. batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) LWFS: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X)

HahnSolo Aug 04 2014 06:54 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Roger McDowell?

metsmarathon Aug 04 2014 07:08 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

does ron darling count?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 07:25 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

While the judges in New York state that "Since Dwight Gooden was the NL Rookie of the Year in 1984," should be clearly understood to mean post-1984, they've graciously sympathasized with the notion that you saw ambiguity there, and will not dock you a point. The world is imperfect; we can't ask language to be perfect. Point for McDowell. Two rookie Mets remain. One was almost gotten. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1985 McDowell T6 2 0 2% Coleman 2 1986 Mitchell 3 22 1 18% Worrell 3 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 4 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 5 1994 Jones T8 3 0 2% Mondesi 6 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 7 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 8 2000 Payton 3 37 1 23% Furcal 9 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 10 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 11 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 1 Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) LWFS: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 04 2014 07:30 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Coney?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 07:33 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Baloney. batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 1 Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X) LWFS: -2 (2 X)

HahnSolo Aug 04 2014 07:48 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Kevin Elster

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 07:53 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

So close. batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 0 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X) LWFS: -2 (2 X)

Benjamin Grimm Aug 04 2014 07:56 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Has anyone guessed Edgardo Alfonzo?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 08:01 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

EA came up sort of in a utility role. It wasn't until year three that he began to show his beauty. batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 0 (1 X) Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X) LWFS: -2 (2 X)

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 04 2014 09:56 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Myers?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 10:14 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Good call. Randall K.'s 1997 generated meaningful enough interest to garner a third-place vote. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1985 McDowell T6 2 0 2% Coleman 2 1986 Mitchell 3 22 1 18% Worrell 3 1987 Myers T6 1 0 1% Santiago 4 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 5 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 6 1994 Jones T8 3 0 2% Mondesi 7 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 8 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 9 2000 Payton 3 37 1 23% Furcal 10 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 11 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 12 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 0 (1 X) Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X) LWFS: -1 (2 X) Last guy DID come up, but the judges didn't allow it as a guess on a technicality.

Nymr83 Aug 04 2014 10:19 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Jae Seo?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 10:22 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

It's perhaps a headscratcher, as he gave 32 solid starts, but Jae Neo. batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 0 (1 X) Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) Nymr83: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X) LWFS: -1 (2 X)

Nymr83 Aug 04 2014 10:25 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Edgy MD wrote: It's perhaps a headscratcher, as he gave 32 solid starts, but Jae Neo. wow, i had to go look that up now... Seo got no votes in 2003 for for 32 starts, 188 1/3 innings of a 110 ERA+, but Jerome Robertson (who?) got a vote and finished 7th despite pitching 160 2/3 innings to the tune of an 86 ERA+ (5.10 ERA and a 1.519 WHIP) racism!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 04 2014 10:28 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Wiggy?

Edgy MD Aug 04 2014 10:34 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

The Notorious W.I.G. completes our quiz. No. Year Player Place Pts. First Pl. Votes Share Winner 1 1985 McDowell T6 2 0 2% Coleman 2 1986 Mitchell 3 22 1 18% Worrell 3 1987 Myers T6 1 0 1% Santiago 4 1988 Jefferies T6 3 0 2% Sabo 5 1989 Jefferies 3 18 0 15% Walton 6 1994 Jones T8 3 0 2% Mondesi 7 1995 Isringhausen T4 4 0 3% Nomo 8 1996 Ordòñez 5 7 1 5% Hollandsworth 9 2000 Payton 3 37 1 23% Furcal 10 2003 Reyes T8 1 0 1% Willis 11 2003 Wigginton T8 1 0 1% Willis 12 2004 Matsui T6 1 0 1% Bay 13 2010 Davis 7 2 0 1% Posey batmagadanleadoff: 2 Mets Guy: 2 (1 X) Zvon: 1 (1 X) Frayed Knot: 1 (1 X) HahnSolo: 0 (1 X) LWFS: 0 (2 X) Benjamin Grimm: -1 (1 X) Centerfield: -1 (1 X) Nymr83: -1 (1 X) DocTee: -1 (2 X) Congratulations to co-leaders BML and MGiM. Here's a tiebreaker just for those two --- name the former Met who managed to finish second in RotY voting one season during this period.

batmagadanleadoff Aug 04 2014 02:57 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's fifth most recent ROY winner: 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners- 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1992 Dodgers Eric Karros 1988 A's Walt Weiss 1971 Braves Earl Williams 1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners- 1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1966 Reds Tommy Helms 1965 Orioles Curt Blefary 1964 Twins Tony Oliva 1962 Yankees Tom Tresh 1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners- 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Red Sox Don Schwall 1961 Cubs Billy Williams 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners- 1958 Giants Orlando Cepeda 1956 White Sox Luis Aparicio 1955 Cardinals Bill Virdon 1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

Frayed Knot Aug 04 2014 05:00 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

NYM also-rans who went on to better careers than the actual NL ROY winner Kevin Mitchell over Todd Worrell Gregg Jefferies over Jerome Walton Gregg Jefferies over Chris Sabo Jose Reyes over Dontrelle Willis

batmagadanleadoff Aug 04 2014 08:12 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's sixth most recent ROY winner: 1987 A's Mark McGwire 1982 Dodgers Steve Sax 1963 Reds Pete Rose 1960 Orioles Ron Hansen 1959 (Twins)/Senators Bob Allison 1958 Cubs Harry Ackerman 1958 White Sox Claudio Guzman 1957 Yankees Tony Kubek 1954 Cardinals Wally Moon 1951 Giants Willie Mays 1950 Red Sox Walt Dropo 1950 Braves Sam Jethroe 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners- 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners- 1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners- 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners- 1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

batmagadanleadoff Aug 04 2014 09:55 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Let's see how far back we have to go to find each team's seventh most recent ROY winner: 1986 A's Jose Canseco 1981 Dodgers Fernando Valenzuela 1958 (Twins)/Senators Albie Pearson 1956 Reds Frank Robinson 1954 Yankees Bob Grim 1949 (Orioles)/Browns Roy Sievers 1948 Braves Alvin Dark 1998 Rays/Devil Rays -franchise has three ROY winners- 1998 D'backs -franchise has no ROY winners- 1993 Marlins -franchise has four ROY winners- 1993 Rockies -franchise has one ROY winner- 1969 Royals -franchise has four ROY winners- 1969 Brewers/Pilots -franchise has two ROY winners- 1969 Nationals/Expos -franchise has three ROY winners- 1969 Padres -franchise has two ROY winners- 1962 Mets -franchise has four ROY winners- 1962 Astros/Colt .45's -franchise has one ROY winner- 1961 Angels -franchise has two ROY winners- 1961 Rangers/Senators -franchise has two ROY winners- 1947* Red Sox -franchise has six ROY winners- 1947* Giants -franchise has six ROY winners- 1947* Cardinals -franchise has six ROY winners- 1947* White Sox -franchise has five ROY winners- 1947* Cubs -franchise has five ROY winners- 1947* Indians -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Tigers -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Phillies -franchise has four ROY winners- 1947* Pirates -franchise has one ROY winner- * first year of ROY award

batmagadanleadoff Aug 05 2014 01:34 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Edgy MD wrote: Congratulations to co-leaders BML and MGiM. Here's a tiebreaker just for those two --- name the former Met who managed to finish second in RotY voting one season during this period. [fimg=555]http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111222140534/uncyclopedia/images/b/bf/Audience-clapping.gif[/fimg] [fimg=555]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SFJ3A5BB--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rqdvz92smd0gif.gif[/fimg] [fimg=555]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--o9TTjA5f--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/17rqdl6k6wuhpgif.gif[/fimg]

batmagadanleadoff Aug 05 2014 01:40 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

I just finished looking up Moises' Mets stats. I knew he was good, but I had to re-remember just how damn good he was.Did the Mets ever have any 40 year olds better than Moises and Rickey? They were better than most 25 year old Mets.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2014 05:08 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Premature fireworks. Moises Alou is incorrect (1 X!). I'm looking for a guy who finished second in RoY voting AS A FORMER MET.

Benjamin Grimm Aug 05 2014 05:10 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Preston Wilson?

metsmarathon Aug 05 2014 06:41 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

jason bay

Edgy MD Aug 05 2014 09:24 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Thank you for participating, but the question was to be tiebreaker for our two finalists.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 05 2014 11:21 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Did this person actually play for the Mets before heading to the other team, or are we talking guys who were traded out of the Mets system?

Edgy MD Aug 05 2014 11:22 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

He or she was a New York Met.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 05 2014 11:32 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

That rules out Kazmir. I have two guesses, which breaks the rules. I know Kevin Tapani had a cup of coffee then got decent with the Twins, and Terrance Long had a Starbucks stop and went to Oakland. (Was that part of the disastrous Izzy/Billy Taylor deal? Picking one, I'm going to guess Long.

Edgy MD Aug 05 2014 11:47 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Terrence Long is not the answer I was looking for, but it IS CORRECT! I declare you Mets RotY Voting Support Champion. Congratulations. The guy I was looking for was indeed 1999 RotY runner-up Preston Wilson (Marlins). But Terrence Long pulled it off again the very next year in the AL with the Athletics. Ex-Mets at the time were both.

Mets Guy in Michigan Aug 05 2014 11:57 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

This was fun! Baseball card collecting and its rookie emphasis pays off once in a while. I thought about Preston, but I thought he spent more time with the Mets and wouldn't qualify. I also was thinking about those Marlins trades -- I seem to remember we made a number of them -- and a bunch of young players went south. I was wondering about some of the pitchers -- Burnett, Yanrall, Peterson.

batmagadanleadoff Sep 23 2014 12:32 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

It's been a long time coming: 2014 Projected ROY winners. Here's a list of each team's last Rookie of the Year Winner: 2014 Mets Jacob deGrom 2014 White Sox Jose Abreu 2013 Rays Wil Myers 2013 Marlins Jose Fernandez 2012 Angels Mike Trout 2012 Nationals Bryce Harper 2011 Braves Craig Kimbrel 2010 Rangers Neftali Perez 2010 Giants Buster Posey 2009 A’s Andrew Bailey 2008 Cubs Geovany Soto 2007 Red Sox Dustin Pedroia 2007 Brewers Ryan Braun 2006 Tigers Justin Verlander 2005 Phillies Ryan Howard 2004 Pirates Jason Bay 2003 Royals Angel Berroa 2002 Blue Jays Eric Hinske 2002 Rockies Jason Jennings 2001 Mariners Ichiro Suzuki 2001 Cardinals Albert Pujols 1999 Reds Scott Williamson 1998 D’Backs -No D'Back ever won this award- 1996 Yankees Derek Jeter 1996 Dodgers Todd Hollansworth 1995 Twins Marty Cordova 1991 Astros Jeff Bagwell 1990 Indians Sandy Alomar, Jr. 1989 Orioles Gregg Olson 1987 Padres Benito Santiago [crossout]1985 White Sox Ozzie Guillen[/crossout] [crossout]1984 Mets Dwight Gooden[/crossout]

Edgy MD Sep 23 2014 06:24 AM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

A 10th win would sure help to push the voters over any psychological hump. You know what else would help? This gif of deGrom's slider.

Edgy MD Sep 23 2014 12:00 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Mets announcing that deGrom won't make his final start.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 23 2014 01:17 PM Re: Rookie of the Year Talk

Edgy MD wrote: Mets announcing that deGrom won't make his final start. It's not so much that he won't make his final start as he has already made his final start.