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Mets – Willets Point Aug 24 2014 08:38 PM

What happened to our Doctor Who thread? I think we need to make it regenerate!

metsmarathon Aug 24 2014 09:02 PM Re: TV Party 2014

yabbut, its gonna come back with the most unruly eyebrows...

Mets – Willets Point Aug 25 2014 09:37 AM Re: TV Party 2014

metsmarathon wrote: yabbut, its gonna come back with the most unruly eyebrows... Do you think Capaldi improvised the dialogue in that scene? He seemed to be on a roll.

metsmarathon Aug 26 2014 08:18 AM Re: TV Party 2014

Mets – Willets Point wrote: metsmarathon wrote: yabbut, its gonna come back with the most unruly eyebrows... Do you think Capaldi improvised the dialogue in that scene? He seemed to be on a roll. i think maybe he did. there were a few other spots of dialogue that seemed like they might've been the actors riffing off a cue, but that one scene in particular would be a challenging and awkward one to write, that's for sure. i wasn't sure at first if i would like capaldi; as the ep opened, i definitely was on the fence. i was intrigued by him, and wanted to be pulled in, and then ultimately he won me over. its all pretty much by design, i'm certain, as clara faced the same tumultuous emotions, only perhaps moreso. if we're done avoiding spoilers for hte most part, what are the opinions in the room about the woman at the end? i think they're calling her 'missy'. who, or what, or maybe where, is she?

Ceetar Aug 26 2014 08:32 AM Re: TV Party 2014

metsmarathon wrote: if we're done avoiding spoilers for hte most part, what are the opinions in the room about the woman at the end? i think they're calling her 'missy'. who, or what, or maybe where, is she? Can we split? Haven't quite seen it yet. (something something crying babies) I have not yet referred to my daughter (middle name is Amelia) as "The girl who waited" though.

seawolf17 Aug 26 2014 08:55 AM Re: TV Party 2014

metsmarathon wrote: if we're done avoiding spoilers for hte most part, what are the opinions in the room about the woman at the end? i think they're calling her 'missy'. who, or what, or maybe where, is she? Has to be The Master regenerated, no?

Mets – Willets Point Aug 26 2014 09:56 AM Re: TV Party 2014

seawolf17 wrote: metsmarathon wrote: if we're done avoiding spoilers for hte most part, what are the opinions in the room about the woman at the end? i think they're calling her 'missy'. who, or what, or maybe where, is she? Has to be The Master regenerated, no? That's the leading theory. I expect that's what Moffat wants us to believe. Of course, he could be trying make us think that if he makes it obvious it's The Master, then we will think it's not The Master, and then the big reveal will be that it's The Master. I personally think it's Mary Poppins gone evil.

Zvon Aug 26 2014 10:22 AM Re: TV Party 2014

725 for FXX here. I hardly ever go up past 114 (BBC-amer). Well, I guess every time I hit the HD icon it takes me somewhere up there. Loving all this Simpsons. Yea, the pruny lady at the end of Who. Who? I'd be disappointed if they bring back The Master and we don't get to see Simms regen into her. That be kool. I'm not sure where we left off with The Simms Master though. Dying on the flying aircraft carrier?

Mets – Willets Point Aug 26 2014 10:38 AM Re: TV Party 2014

The last Master appearance was in The End of Time. He was sent back to Gallifrey with Rassilon into the final days of the time war.

Zvon Aug 26 2014 03:22 PM TV Party 2014

Simms is still around (he's in that new Intruders series- 1st ep was okay-creepy-plodding). Would be a shame not to use him as a bridge. And that's if she is The Master. A female master would be kinda kool. Another show you should be watching is The Strain. Some implausible scenes here and there (like New Yorkers would just stroll about during a gunfight between a cop and an alien with a large appendage shooting from it's mouth), but on the whole convincing and enjoyable. The old man vampire hunter is connected to Doctor Who. He was the nemesis in the Dinosaurs On A Spaceship ep. and played William Hartnell, the 1st Doctor, in a pretty good bio-pic that just aired recently on BBC-Amer.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 26 2014 05:42 PM Re: TV Party 2014

Rampant character inconsistencies and people acting more than a little funny just to service the plot? Check. Archetypes instead of actual characters? Check. Strained melodramatic beats instead of actual drama? Oh, check. Tell-not-show characterization? Hammering the hell out of the one or two parlor tricks that have actually worked (juxtaposition of children's music and violence, e.g.)? Unintentional comedy that isn't all THAT funny? Check, check, check, and check, please. In short, on the topic of The Strain, I respectfully-- and strenuously-- disagree. After six episodes, I'm out.

Ceetar Aug 27 2014 07:13 AM Re: TV Party 2014

seawolf17 wrote: metsmarathon wrote: if we're done avoiding spoilers for hte most part, what are the opinions in the room about the woman at the end? i think they're calling her 'missy'. who, or what, or maybe where, is she? Has to be The Master regenerated, no? Maybe? What did Matt Smith say in his phone call about the next doctor? "I think it's going to be a..woman?" or whopper? The woman calls the Doctor her 'boyfriend' right? wait..is it Clara somehow? Somehow _also_ the Doctor?

metsmarathon Aug 27 2014 07:20 AM Re: TV Party 2014

is it possibly the psychic echo of some long-ago companion (or adversary), retained by the tardis all this time?

seawolf17 Aug 27 2014 07:52 AM Re: The Doctor

Regenerated this thread so we're all in one place here.

Zvon Aug 27 2014 12:23 PM Re: TV Party 2014

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Rampant character inconsistencies and people acting more than a little funny just to service the plot? Check. Archetypes instead of actual characters? Check. Strained melodramatic beats instead of actual drama? Oh, check. Tell-not-show characterization? Hammering the hell out of the one or two parlor tricks that have actually worked (juxtaposition of children's music and violence, e.g.)? Unintentional comedy that isn't all THAT funny? Check, check, check, and check, please. In short, on the topic of The Strain, I respectfully-- and strenuously-- disagree. After six episodes, I'm out. I kinda agree with you on all of that (except the tell-not-show char.- I think they dwell too much on the showing side) at this point in it's run. I'm still enjoying it. I look at it as light comic book fare. I'd much rather see something like this than any reality show ever made. Mets – Willets Point wrote: The last Master appearance was in The End of Time. He was sent back to Gallifrey with Rassilon into the final days of the time war. So the three Doctors now have Gallifrey frozen in time and the war over. If she isn't The Master, that will be surprising.

Zvon Aug 31 2014 07:00 PM Re: The Doctor

Very solid second ep. All the right ingredients, touched all the right marks. The new Doctors personality begins to emerge. Clara keeps getting better and better character and performance wise. New guy looks like he'll enjoy the trip he's about to go on. Some classic scenes in this one, Dalek wise. I won't say more in case all are not caught up. I have a new theory about the mysterious dark haired lady but the more I think about it the more I think it's crazy, creepy, and weird.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 04 2014 08:08 AM Re: The Doctor

Not the best script or story, but I do like Capaldi and Coleman's performances. I'm not a big fan of Dalek stories, but if they're going to do one it may as well be a weird one and get it out it of the way early in the Capaldi run.

Ceetar Sep 04 2014 08:39 AM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Not the best script or story, but I do like Capaldi and Coleman's performances. I'm not a big fan of Dalek stories, but if they're going to do one it may as well be a weird one and get it out it of the way early in the Capaldi run. I thought the Dalek Antibodies bit to be fascinating. The next episode is called Robot of Sherwood which sounds promising.

Zvon Sep 04 2014 04:12 PM Re: The Doctor

I thought the whole being inside a Dalek thing fascinating. And the bit with how it saw the star being born and it changed him. And that one of the things it picked up from the Doctor was his extreme hate. I thought this was a good story, good script. I'm also not a big fan of the whole Dalek scene. But I've come to appreciate them. Like with Star Trek: TNG, loved the whole series but when it was airing first run I was not a fan of the Worf episodes. When one of those came up I was: "Oh, a Worf episode. Crap." But now I watch the series in re-runs and I totally enjoy the Worf eps. I guess I appreciate them more now because that series is a thing of the past. Worf was really a great & consistent character. The Daleks are too. Especially since so much has been added to their backstory since the re-boot. It took awhile before I no longer thought: "Crap, a Dalek episode." My theory on the dark haired lady is wacky. I no longer think she is the Master regenerated.

seawolf17 Sep 04 2014 05:42 PM Re: The Doctor

Have at it, then, Mister Wacky Theory. Let's hear it.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 04 2014 09:28 PM Re: The Doctor

Something about Missy's eyebrows reminds me of the smilers in The Beast Below.

Zvon Sep 05 2014 12:27 PM Re: The Doctor

seawolf17 wrote: Have at it, then, Mister Wacky Theory. Let's hear it. It's just too weird. What if there was a place where everyone who ever died while associated with the Doctor (or by his hand) went to, or ended up. Maybe they are being collected for some reason. In any case, they end up in this place that the lady calls heaven. This still does not explain who the lady is, only that she is not the Master. I don't think the Master would spend time doing this. I guess that's less of a theory and more of an observation. Are there any other characters from the early days that this could be?

Zvon Sep 11 2014 09:13 PM Re: The Doctor

The Robin Hood episode was cute. The banter between Robin and the Doctor was a little over the top, but it does further the development of the new Doctor's personality. I did enjoy the performance by the guy playing Robin Hood and got a kick out of the laughing business. Again Clara playing a big part, and playing it very well. The bit at the end with Maid Marion was a nice touch. IIRC there was nothing in this one about the Collector Lady™.

seawolf17 Sep 12 2014 04:23 AM Re: The Doctor

Yes, there was. The ship's destination was the Promised Land.

Ceetar Sep 12 2014 07:31 AM Re: The Doctor

seawolf17 wrote: Yes, there was. The ship's destination was the Promised Land. So maybe she is The Master? or some other enemy harvesting an army to fight the Doctor?

Valadius Sep 12 2014 10:00 AM Re: The Doctor

Well, "Missy" for "Mistress." That's what I'm going with, anyway. I thought the Robin Hood episode was great.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 13 2014 09:45 PM Re: The Doctor

I'm going to dream about Jenna Coleman under my bed tonight.

Zvon Sep 14 2014 12:28 AM Re: The Doctor

This was a really great ep IMO. So many neat things weaved into LISTEN I'm going to have to watch it again before I comment. I will say some great scenes defining Clara and the Doctors relationship as well as Clara and the Pink guys. I re-watched the Robin Hood one and it was even better on second viewing. And I did catch the reference to The Promised Land this time.

Ceetar Sep 14 2014 07:42 PM Re: The Doctor

yeah, lots of stuff there. I think I need it explained to me. Really enjoyed it though. The visit to the previously locked down? time lords bits was interesting. I've got some interesting theories too, but I just realized i don't think I saw that 5-part 'end of time' (or was it 2 part?) Tennant arc just before Smith showed up. I need to go actually watch them.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 14 2014 07:57 PM Re: The Doctor

That episode knocked my socks off. So unlike anything "Doctor Who" has done before, and yet so many connections to other stories. I'm going to have to watch it again too. And what the heck was under that blanket!

Zvon Sep 15 2014 01:43 AM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: And what the heck was under that blanket! Seriously. I just re-watched it (spoilers) and they just swept the blanket business under the rug. You even see the blanket come off what/whoever it was. Creeeeeepy. Classic Moffat misdirection. You get so swept up in the scenes following you forget all about it. Also classic Moffit misdirection: You don't for a second, or at least I didn't, think the kid in the bed (near the end) was the Doctor (everything in the episode made you think it would be young Pink again) until the moment Clara did, when the guy (who were those two?) mentions "Time Lord". Then it still took a tic before I realized she was under the bed. She was the thing under the bed, she was going to recreate "the dream" by instinctively reaching for his foot. The barn reveal: I even had goosbumps the 2nd time I saw it. Freakin' awesome. Then after all of that we see the toy soldier. Clara gave the boy Doctor the Soldier Dan with no gun. I can't say I understand what the significance of that is. Unless that ends up being the reason why the Doctor never uses guns. The thing about the end of the universe with Orson Pink (a time traveler related to Danny Pink? Another neat reveal) and the thing out there behind the locked door....again, swept under the rug. But it perfectly sets up the barn scene. I was still trying to figure out wtf was going on. Just when the doors start to open Clara loses the view from in the Tardis and we don't get to see what happened. So when Clara moves the Tardis & enters the barn I was busy thinking of what the hell just happened? The "do as your told" bit between the Doctor and Clara was a real nice turn around when she uses it on him. They are developing a trust and much different relationship than Clara had with the 11th. I love the way Danny Pinks story is being weaved in. We know a bit about his past, a bit about his present, and a bit about his future. That guy is very good in his role. Peter Capaldi has been great. Jenna Coleman has been better.

seawolf17 Sep 15 2014 07:31 AM Re: The Doctor

Zvon wrote: And what the heck was under that blanket! Seriously. I just re-watched it (spoilers) and they just swept the blanket business under the rug. You even see the blanket come off what/whoever it was. Creeeeeepy. Classic Moffat misdirection. You get so swept up in the scenes following you forget all about it. Also classic Moffit misdirection: You don't for a second, or at least I didn't, think the kid in the bed (near the end) was the Doctor (everything in the episode made you think it would be young Pink again) until the moment Clara did, when the guy (who were those two?) mentions "Time Lord". Then it still took a tic before I realized she was under the bed. She was the thing under the bed, she was going to recreate "the dream" by instinctively reaching for his foot. The barn reveal: I even had goosbumps the 2nd time I saw it. Freakin' awesome. Then after all of that we see the toy soldier. Clara gave the boy Doctor the Soldier Dan with no gun. I can't say I understand what the significance of that is. Unless that ends up being the reason why the Doctor never uses guns. The thing about the end of the universe with Orson Pink (a time traveler related to Danny Pink? Another neat reveal) and the thing out there behind the locked door....again, swept under the rug. But it perfectly sets up the barn scene. I was still trying to figure out wtf was going on. Just when the doors start to open Clara loses the view from in the Tardis and we don't get to see what happened. So when Clara moves the Tardis & enters the barn I was busy thinking of what the hell just happened? The "do as your told" bit between the Doctor and Clara was a real nice turn around when she uses it on him. They are developing a trust and much different relationship than Clara had with the 11th. I love the way Danny Pinks story is being weaved in. We know a bit about his past, a bit about his present, and a bit about his future. That guy is very good in his role. Peter Capaldi has been great. Jenna Coleman has been better. I agree with every bit of this. Now that Capaldi is finding himself a bit, this has been an excellent season.

Ceetar Sep 15 2014 08:00 AM Re: The Doctor

Yeah, it's definitely one I need to watch again I probably shouldn't have deleted it. There was so much going on I couldn't retroactively keep track of it. (There was probably a ton of stuff Danny said in the first date conversation that was relevant that I ignored) I know the answer is probably "nowhere, timey wimey stuff" but what's the timeline for the soldier? Orson gives it to Clara clearly seeming to recognize her as his grandmother? or something? Clara gives it to the Doctor as a kid and the Doctor gives it to Rupert? Is there anything to the Clara being woven into all the time lines thing? When they went back to when she was supposed to have had the dream I almost expected them to show up to the Clara from the Christmas/Snowman episode.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 15 2014 12:25 PM Re: The Doctor

I wouldn't say "swept under the rug" so much as "deliberately ambiguous." Steven Moffat leaves a lot of room in his stories for the audience to make their own interpretations and he's not interested in telling us which interpretation is correct.

Zvon Sep 15 2014 01:40 PM Re: The Doctor

Yeah, it's definitely one I need to watch again I probably shouldn't have deleted it. There was so much going on I couldn't retroactively keep track of it. (There was probably a ton of stuff Danny said in the first date conversation that was relevant that I ignored) I know the answer is probably "nowhere, timey wimey stuff" but what's the timeline for the soldier? Orson gives it to Clara clearly seeming to recognize her as his grandmother? or something? Clara gives it to the Doctor as a kid and the Doctor gives it to Rupert? Is there anything to the Clara being woven into all the time lines thing? When they went back to when she was supposed to have had the dream I almost expected them to show up to the Clara from the Christmas/Snowman episode. Yikes. I forgot all about Clara and the "all time lines" thing. I guess that could pop up any time. That didn't appear to be a factor but.....lol, I'll have to watch it again to confirm that. Aside from showing how uncomfortable they were with each other (at times) I don't think anything that was said between Clara and Danny at dinner mattered much early on. It just set up the tension between them, imo. There was the mention of Pinks experience as a soldier, I'll get to that in my timeline. My soldier timeline:: 1) Clara gives Rupert (who is young Danny, if I got it right) the soldiers she found in a cupboard in his room at the home. She starts setting them up under his bed. Clara say the boss soldier will keep a special eye out for him. Pink asks why the boss soldier has no gun. Clara: "He's a soldier so brave, he doesn't need a gun. He can keep the whole world safe. What shall we call him?" Rupert: "Dan. Dan the soldier man." (Rupert mentioned to Clara when they exchange names how he hates his name, and plans on changing it.) Instead of reading Rupert a bedtime story the Doctor beans the kid, knocking him out and scrambling his memories. But did he scramble them? During the dinner Danny does mention how he tried to not shoot and save whole towns & people during his time (I don't know what "wells" are? A tour?) as a soldier. Anyways, Rupert falls back to sleep with the soldier in his hand. 2) The toy soldier falls out of Orson Pinks bag. Orson shows Clara the soldier and says it's a family heirloom. He says time travel "runs in the family"(interesting). He give's the soldier to Clara, who says "no, it's a family heirloom." and Pink says,"yea", in what might be considered a knowing way (as you noticed Ceets). Does he know more than he is telling? We don't find out. So Clara takes the soldier from him. 3) The barn: Clara gives the soldier to the boy Doctor. She's about to leave, but then she turns around and goes back to him and says,:"Listen...." And then tells him about how to channel his fears. Fear is a superpower....she repeats just what the doctor said to Rupert back in the "thing in the bed" scene save for the fear is a companion part. She leaves the soldier on the Doctors windowsill. ________________________________ And Clara hooked up w/Danny at the end, it looks like, and that's an interesting step. First date, huh? You go girl. It's refreshing to me for there to be no sexual tension between the Doctor and a female companion. Recalls the real early Hartnell days of Who. _________ My new Collector Lady™ theory: Somehow Clara grows to be old, ugly, and insane. ;) Parting thought: Somehow Moffat will turn around the scene of the boy Doctor in bed. Could THAT have been the master? Nah, that doesn't seem to fit.

Zvon Sep 15 2014 01:44 PM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I wouldn't say "swept under the rug" so much as "deliberately ambiguous." Steven Moffat leaves a lot of room in his stories for the audience to make their own interpretations and he's not interested in telling us which interpretation is correct. Somehow he respects our intelligence and toys with us at the same time. "Deliberately ambiguous" is a better way to put it. He knows people will bring it up so he dismisses it with a line: "yea, it could have been another kid at the school, but that's not the right question..." and then off we go.

seawolf17 Sep 15 2014 01:54 PM Re: The Doctor

Zvon wrote: Parting thought: Somehow Moffat will turn around the scene of the boy Doctor in bed. Could THAT have been the master? Nah, that doesn't seem to fit. I hadn't thought of that. Moffat wants us to think that's The Doctor, but I suppose it might not be.

Ceetar Sep 15 2014 01:56 PM Re: The Doctor

Zvon wrote: Parting thought: Somehow Moffat will turn around the scene of the boy Doctor in bed. Could THAT have been the master? Nah, that doesn't seem to fit. Perhaps it's Clara. What did she say? "Trust me, you don't want to meet yourself"? Again I missed the end of times episodes, need to watch. But the Master was at the end of time. And here we are again. Wasn't there something about an ex wife? Could the boy time lord have been him? but how'd the Doctor get the toy then? But there's definitely something to Danny and the Doctor. The first scene with the toy very clearly has the doctor on screen behind the action as Clara says "He's so brave he doesn't need a gun" And then Rupert grows up to BE that soldier. who is the doctor.

Vic Sage Sep 15 2014 02:03 PM Re: The Doctor

I hated this episode. my son and i were like "wtf?" It was incomprehensible and, more to the point, unengaging. I don't like Clara, and never have, but i used to love Matt Smith, so if he saw something in her, then i would give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, Capaldi plays the doctor as a prick, which would be fine if he had a sympathetic companion, but now with the two of them being so offputting, and with her love interest, Mr. Pink, being a total dork, i'm now at the point i was when i watched the Yanks play the Braves in the world series... i'm rooting for injuries. I didn't care for the last few episodes either, but this was the lowpoint. I can take either this doctor or this companion, but not both.

Zvon Sep 15 2014 05:09 PM Re: The Doctor

Perhaps it's Clara. What did she say? "Trust me, you don't want to meet yourself"? I think that she said this because she (and setting up us) believed that the young Rupert Pink would be out there. Even though Orson is not Rupert. I dunno, I could be wrong. That was an odd thing to say. I'm not sure if she said that before or after she saw herself walking away from the restaurant (it could be a reference to that). Lots of questions can come up after you watch a Who ep, esp on repeated viewings, but I don't think that matters much as long as they don't distract you during the first time you view it. Like, for instance, why did the Doctor tell Clara that seeing her young self could be "potentially catastrophic"? Hasn't it been established in past episodes that this is no big whup? Cripes, Amy and her childhood self hung out together. Again I missed the end of times episodes, need to watch. A question involving that "end of times" story arch. Before John Simms became The Master (in the 3 parter--Utopia / The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords < these are important to see before you see Tennants finale in The End of Time), he was played by Derek Jacobi. He was building a ship to save the remaining people. He was going to take them to "Utopia". Could "Utopia" & "The Promised Land", be the same place? Wasn't there something about an ex wife? If you mean John Simms Master and his wife when he was Prime Minister I don't understand how she factors in to now. but how'd the Doctor get the toy then? I don't recall anything that led me to believe that the current Doctor has that toy soldier in his possession, if that's what you mean. Other than that :Clara gave the soldier to the boy ( Doctor, we are led to believe) in the bed at the end after Orson gave it to her. ______________________ Vic Sage: Matt Smith may turn out to be the best Doctor ever (is in my book so far) but you have to close the book on him. If its any consolation [possibly major spoiler below] :::: I have read that Jenna Coleman will depart the series in this years X-mas episode.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 16 2014 01:46 PM Re: The Doctor

Zvon wrote: Instead of reading Rupert a bedtime story the Doctor beans the kid, knocking him out and scrambling his memories. But did he scramble them? During the dinner Danny does mention how he tried to not shoot and save whole towns & people during his time (I don't know what "wells" are? A tour?) as a soldier. "Wells" are holes in the ground that you draw water out of. Danny is saying that he dug wells - presumably in isolated places in Iraq or Afghanistan - to help the local people have a fresh supply of water. As opposed to shooting them.

Zvon Sep 16 2014 04:18 PM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Zvon wrote: Instead of reading Rupert a bedtime story the Doctor beans the kid, knocking him out and scrambling his memories. But did he scramble them? During the dinner Danny does mention how he tried to not shoot and save whole towns & people during his time (I don't know what "wells" are? A tour?) as a soldier. "Wells" are holes in the ground that you draw water out of. Danny is saying that he dug wells - presumably in isolated places in Iraq or Afghanistan - to help the local people have a fresh supply of water. As opposed to shooting them. Wow. Thank you for the heads up on that. Hmm, most interesting. I imagine we will see more of that part of his life. Danny's okay by me so far. A socially awkward guy. But there's something about him. Like when he was arguing with Clara I thought his anger---the look was like hatred, was a bit extreme for the circumstances. Maybe that was just Moffat misdirection at it again. Or maybe there is more going on there than meets the eye. ooOOO0000eeEEEooOO00OOoo

Mets – Willets Point Sep 16 2014 07:36 PM Re: The Doctor

One interesting theory re: Moffat misdirection that I've read is that while it's being set up that Clara & Danny will be a romantic pairing, the real story is that Danny will be the Doctor's next companion, in place of Clara.

Ceetar Sep 17 2014 08:50 AM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: One interesting theory re: Moffat misdirection that I've read is that while it's being set up that Clara & Danny will be a romantic pairing, the real story is that Danny will be the Doctor's next companion, in place of Clara. ooh, I could see that.

Zvon Sep 21 2014 02:52 PM Re: The Doctor

One interesting theory re: Moffat misdirection that I've read is that while it's being set up that Clara & Danny will be a romantic pairing, the real story is that Danny will be the Doctor's next companion, in place of Clara. ooh, I could see that. I hope that doesn't mean that Clara ends up in Who Heaven. :( spoilers Good ep this week. I liked the whole bank heist build up. Half way thru I was thinking, wow, a lot of people are dying around the Doctor lately- I expected to see more of WhoHeaven but then it turned out those two didn't die. Kinda figured at one point that the Doctor was the mastermind. A happy ending. Nice, enjoyable episode.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 22 2014 08:55 AM Re: The Doctor

I was thinking that this was the second straight episode in which no one dies, but then I remembered the man who had his head flattened, one of the most disturbing visual images I've seen on Doctor Who. I like that they're trying new ways of sticking the Doctor into any kind of story, and the production was well-done, but I'm just not too excited by bank heist stories. Still, it was a good "meat & potatoes" episode in what's shaping up to be an excellent Series 8.

Vic Sage Sep 22 2014 01:49 PM Re: The Doctor

good solid episode. Much better than the last. I still have had enough of Clara, but if Danny is next, that doesn't thrill me, either. He's like a poor man's "Mickey", with no Rose Tyler around to make him palatable. At least Jenna Coleman is hot.

Zvon Sep 27 2014 03:18 PM Re: The Doctor

Just came across this on tumblr and thought to share it. I love how they even make fake folds in the movie type poster. [fimg=555:1k6nmena]https://38.media.tumblr.com/c8db12f674d655284920363f6503504a/tumblr_nckhcw7dqX1qijoeyo1_1280.jpg[/fimg:1k6nmena]

Zvon Sep 27 2014 11:33 PM Re: The Doctor

Good ep. I'll watch it again before the next one, just cause I usually do to see if I missed anything. Don't really like the animosity between Danny and The Doctor. It is a bit too much like Micky in the early days as mentioned already. If this is it, and the end of it (cause he figured out the Doctor is only like a father to Clara and he saved them both-pretty awesome scene with the P.E. jump) then I'll let it slide by, but if they can't get along I'm not going to enjoy that. If Danny has to prove his worthiness to The Doctor I hope that he did that and that's all over with. And the scene when Pink was acting all soldiery yelling in the TARDIS made him look like a bit of a nutter. The whole robot story was pretty kool. I imagine by now we have all picked up on the thing about "it's a thing". Very recurring thing, this "thing" thing. Oh yea, at the end. Have no idea what to think of that. Except what I've already said. But the cop who died...he wasn't associated with the Doctor. Or maybe cause the Robot killed him it counts. I dunno. The white area where the cop ended up..& then that Collector Lady walks out. Pretty bizarre.

Vic Sage Sep 28 2014 07:34 PM Re: The Doctor

this season continues to suck. my son and i are seriously ready to write this series off until there's either a new companion or a new doctor. And if the new companion is Mr. Pink, I'll continue to give it a pass. I knew that following david tennant and matt smith was going to be hard, and following River and Amy was going to be even harder, but this is shiite.

Mets – Willets Point Sep 29 2014 10:10 AM Re: The Doctor

Forget Danny Pink, I'm on Team Courtney Woods for the new companion. I thought this was another great episode in a very strong season and look forward to what's coming next. Capaldi and Coleman continue to impress. The one thing that rubbed me the wrong way is that the Doctor continually calling Danny a PE teacher came across as racial stereotyping, although I don't think the writers intended that. Missy is looking really tired form doing whatever it is she's doing. "Kill the Moon" looks like it will be a real cracker.

Ceetar Sep 29 2014 10:16 AM Re: The Doctor

Enjoyed Danny seeming to know what the Doctor was thinking. Further hints that their is some link between them? Was the other professor that the Doctor thought was Clara's boyfriend supposed to look like Matt Smith's doctor? Surprising to me in that he seems to disapprove of the bowtie in his prior form but would approve of said boyfriend looking like that.

seawolf17 Sep 29 2014 01:37 PM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: Was the other professor that the Doctor thought was Clara's boyfriend supposed to look like Matt Smith's doctor? Surprising to me in that he seems to disapprove of the bowtie in his prior form but would approve of said boyfriend looking like that. Thought that was a funny touch. I loved this episode -- I think Capaldi's killing it right now.

Zvon Sep 29 2014 03:40 PM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: Enjoyed Danny seeming to know what the Doctor was thinking. Further hints that their is some link between them? Was the other professor that the Doctor thought was Clara's boyfriend supposed to look like Matt Smith's doctor? Surprising to me in that he seems to disapprove of the bowtie in his prior form but would approve of said boyfriend looking like that. Hmm. And how at first he didn't seem to recognize Pinks last name. Hmmm. I thought he looked like Smith's Doctor but it was a bit of a stretch. Thought it was just a coincedence until I saw the scene with Capaldi's Doctor and his reaction. Still full of himself, lol. Oh, about THE STRAIN. I recommended it a while back, and LWFS panned it (& he was right). I jumped off a few weeks ago when it became a Walking Dead wanna-be. I expected these new vampires to be fast & climbing walls like Spiderman and shit. They just get like zombies , so far. I binged the last three eps and it's gone from "comic book fare" to "coloring book fare". And the lead guys wife just happens to be the masters new squeeze? Plaaaaaease. I'm still going to watch for a few reasons: 1. It's not reality TV 2. I like the Van Helsing type guy from his performances in Doctor Who. He's a good actor. He may only be able to play a crotchety old man, but he's great at it. He's me if I last 20 years and become crotchety. 3. The old rich guy who wants immortality really looks like & reminds me of Fred Wilpon. So I'll watch to see him get his comeuppance.

Zvon Oct 05 2014 12:01 AM Re: The Doctor

Excellent episode. Kind of reminded me of a typical script/story from the Tom Baker days. I like how The Doctor is now just a regular character walking around the school with the TARDIS in a closet. I like how he took the young girl along, but I have to question certain aspects, like how is Courtney not going to tell everyone about who he is? Sheesh, she already posted a picture of him on the moon, on tumblr (in the future, I guess). She was good though and I'm glad she was included. I like Courtney Woods. The whole moon story was kool. Literally, kill the moon. Interesting..usually a Who story would have the human race do the right thing at the big moment, and this one didn't. I'm pretty sure it was Clara who pushed the button (fast scene, I'll view again). I would have liked more it if Courtney did it. Very powerful scene at the end with Clara and The Doctor. Jenna C, once again, great performance. I like her more and more. More Capaldi performances like this and I will be able to do more than just accept him as the new Doctor. I can say I accept him, and that I'll go with it, but I can't say I embrace him. But Capaldi's Doctor has already made it very clear. He does not like to be hugged.

Vic Sage Oct 06 2014 09:17 AM Re: The Doctor

First great episode of this disappointing season. Classic Who... the future of the human race hangs on a moral question. And the companion, as the best of our humanity, makes the right call, even if the rest of humanity does not. And we are left in awe of our wondrous universe. Capaldi's nasty doctor is fun and unpredictable, and I didn't hate Clara this episode. Also, there was thankfully little of Mr. Pink. I liked Courtney. she reminded me of a young River Song, when she was a badass schoolgirl.

metsmarathon Oct 06 2014 11:23 AM Re: The Doctor

i'm very much expecting there to be some tie-in between courtney and river song. i'm not surehow it would be worked in, or if it would be a good idea at all, but i still expect it to be there. (alternatively, is there a chance she's related to mr. pink?) she's definitely setting up to be the next companion, unless i'm simply terrrible at reading tea leaves. this was a terrific episode, although i do wonder how the moon bactiria developed into web-spinning single-celled spiders. that seems a little dodgy. convenient of courtney to carry around windex with her though. i think the cinematography of having hte moon baby fly away and lay a new egg completely off screen, just slightly above our field of view, was brilliant. mostly because trying to CGI that would've been an epic fail. i liked the way they handled it. i wonder if that was the plan all along, or if it was originally shot to include showing the moon baby laying a new moon, and then they realized the effects were terrible and just cropped hte shot, as it were...? is this the first time we've seen doctor-as-clairvoyant? i don't necessarily recall that bit being used before, though i'm admitteldly a neophyte.

seawolf17 Oct 06 2014 11:58 AM Re: The Doctor

metsmarathon wrote: i'm very much expecting there to be some tie-in between courtney and river song. i'm not surehow it would be worked in, or if it would be a good idea at all, but i still expect it to be there. (alternatively, is there a chance she's related to mr. pink?) she's definitely setting up to be the next companion, unless i'm simply terrrible at reading tea leaves. We saw her parents talking with Danny, so I'd say probably not.

seawolf17 Oct 07 2014 05:29 PM Re: The Doctor

Finally caught up on this episode. Enjoyed the final Doctor/Clara scene. Read online that the mummy is so scary next week that they moved the episode later in the night in the UK.

Zvon Oct 12 2014 12:42 PM Re: The Doctor

Watch after this weeks ep. Mostly highlights from the entire season but some scenes from Mummy are included, including (of course) this song. Nothing like some Queen on the Orient Express. [youtube]FxLR6cP1_Q8[/youtube]

Ceetar Oct 12 2014 04:39 PM Re: The Doctor

I enjoyed that one.

RealityChuck Oct 14 2014 06:21 PM Re: The Doctor

I just discovered that "Missy" is played by Michelle Gomez. She was hilariously surreal in the British comedy Green Wing and excellent in a more serious role in The Book Group (That's her on the banner, though most US viewers would find the lead actress of the show far more familiar*). *I had a tremendous shock of recognition with that, especially since it shows why she was cast in her US role.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 14 2014 08:35 PM Re: The Doctor

Another excellent episode that defies the expectations I had going in. Not sure if Clara's decision to continue with the Doctor was really clearly demonstrated, but then again, I'm thinking Clara's not quite sure why she's doing it either.

Vic Sage Oct 15 2014 07:52 AM Re: The Doctor

yes, another good episode... 2 in a row! The more of the doctor i see, the more the doctor i like... but with Clara, vice versa.

Zvon Oct 15 2014 01:39 PM Re: The Doctor

Clara's turn around was a bit of a surprise. I expected them to drag that out a bit. Good solid episode with all the right ingredients. This episode, IMO, cements my NEW theory, in which we lose Clara in the form of her death and The Doctor moves heaven(& earth, possibly) to get to her. That would tie in Missy, The Collector Lady™. For some reason this ep just says to me:Clara is a dead duck. And it's at that point where we get more of a focus on Danny Pink, and what happens between Danny and the Doctor, which I have to imagine goes really bad before it gets any better.

Mets – Willets Point Oct 15 2014 01:45 PM Re: The Doctor

I wonder if Gus somehow ties in with Missy and the Nethersphere or if that's a thread to picked up somewhere down the line (or not).

Vic Sage Oct 27 2014 08:47 AM Re: The Doctor

This one wasn't as bad as the awful ones earlier this season, but not my fave either. I liked the whole fairy tale subtext, and the notion that the Earth will protect itself (and us) despite what we do to it is kind of uplifting. But basically the story renders the Doctor and Clara and everybody else utterly superfluous; the Earth saved itself despite their interference. And the continuous romanticizing of mental illness in our storytelling, portraying it as a kind of purity ("they just can hear the trees talking to us"), is an irritating narrative device.

Ceetar Oct 27 2014 09:02 AM Re: The Doctor

I accidentally watched the previews for next week (I hate doing that) seems like things are gonna get crazy.

Zvon Oct 28 2014 05:52 PM Re: The Doctor

Another nice, simple episode. A straightforward adventure, more like an original oldie type, which I like. Except for Missy showing her face and saying mystic stuff, nothing much else has been going on. So I imagine this half series finale will be a...I'm gonna say, a "royal stunner". The 11th Doctor stated he was getting to well-known, to "big" and that had to stop (with his staged death). Maybe he was referring more to the entire universe as opposed to his favorite planet, Earth. This Doctor does not seem to concerned about what anyone see's or knows here on terra firma. Oh, and yea, I like how Danny and Clara are in such a fog of love that they can't keep track of the kids they are in charge of. If I was the principle I'd fire em both. This business with Clara being so sure that The Doctor will always save them...that's what's gonna get her killed.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 01 2014 09:57 PM Re: The Doctor

So, Missy is exactly the most obvious person for Missy to be. More importantly, Capaldi and Coleman knock it out of the park acting wise. Death in Heaven promises to be a real corker.

Zvon Nov 01 2014 11:37 PM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: So, Missy is exactly the most obvious person for Missy to be. More importantly, Capaldi and Coleman knock it out of the park acting wise. Death in Heaven promises to be a real corker. I was royally stunned. I agree about their performances. Especially Capaldi. Danny and Missy were also well played. It's funny. I knew the Cybermen were going to be in it cause I saw the stupid commercial. And watching the episode I saw the door windows at 3W were all Cybereye looking, I saw the similarity between the old "cyberhive" and the area where the skeletons were sitting, and I payed attention when they talked about the "dark water" and what it does in terms of flesh...yet I was still surprised when the water drained and it was Cybermen in there. I feel kinda stupid and I wonder why I didn't put it together. Maybe because there were skeletons in the tanks, and I didn't think the cybermen retained that much of a person. I guess I thought it was only the brain or the head or something. So I'm either a dummy or Moffatts a good writer. Or both. So now let me get it straight. Danny's dead mind was downloaded and put in that sphere thing? And we find out a bit about his wartime experiences, with the killing of the boy. That was sad. And interesting. Why would that happen-his meeting the boy? I know it was said that if he killed anyone that he could run into them. I mean, are thing's being orchestrated by Missymaster in there or are these things he's seeing a result of his own imagination? This is another ep I'll have to watch again and recap. So The Doctor made out with The Master. I don't know if I like this turn or not. I was stunned, and I really like that The Master is back, in any form, but I'll have to see how it rides out next week before I pass judgment.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 02 2014 09:51 AM Re: The Doctor

I found that the revelations about Missy and the Cybermen were so heavily signposted so that the audience would feel they're ahead of the Doctor, but then we got the carpet pulled out from under us by Danny's death and the lengths Clara will go to save him, which was both brilliant and terrible.

Ceetar Nov 02 2014 11:57 AM Re: The Doctor

Zvon wrote: And we find out a bit about his wartime experiences, with the killing of the boy. That was sad. And interesting. Why would that happen-his meeting the boy? I know it was said that if he killed anyone that he could run into them. I mean, are thing's being orchestrated by Missymaster in there or are these things he's seeing a result of his own imagination? This is another ep I'll have to watch again and recap. Is that part of the cyberman profile to strip them of emotions? dredge up all the stuff and burn it out? Was the whole 3w thing and Don't Cremate me bit orchestrated by Missy, or co-opted? Is the founder, the cyberman alone right now with Clara, somehow different?

Zvon Nov 02 2014 12:47 PM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: Is that part of the cyberman profile to strip them of emotions? dredge up all the stuff and burn it out? It always has been but what's going on in this episode is different, because now they are using dead people. Something in this one about his mind having to voluntarily detach himself from his body. Ceetar wrote: Was the whole 3w thing and Don't Cremate me bit orchestrated by Missy, or co-opted? Is the founder, the cyberman alone right now with Clara, somehow different? The "don't cremate me" stuff was creepy. Actually, this was a pretty good ep for Halloween-with the skeletons and all. The "don't cremate" leads me to believe that, like Danny Pink could feel the chill because his body was in a cold place, a cremated person will suffer extreme heat. That is such an obvious conclusion that it can't be right, if Moffatt wrote it. I think the 3w thing was set up by MissyMaster. We are led to believe that the skeleton inside the room Clara was in was some VIP who was involved in the creation of 3W. Some bigwig (The guy who discovered "dark water"?--not sure). Like I said, I have to watch this one again before next weeks finale. And I think I'm starting to embrace Doctor #12.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 02 2014 05:09 PM Re: The Doctor

I think we'll look back at "Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" as the defining moment of the Capaldi era.

RealityChuck Nov 02 2014 05:34 PM Re: The Doctor

I did like the episode, but Michelle Gomez's performance was so much like the character of Sue White from Green Wing (especially in the first scene with the Doctor) that I kept breaking out laughing. It was a great cliffhanger episode, though.

Zvon Nov 02 2014 06:48 PM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I think we'll look back at "Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?" as the defining moment of the Capaldi era. That was such a great line.

seawolf17 Nov 04 2014 02:08 PM Re: The Doctor

Finally caught up. Whoa.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 08 2014 10:18 PM Re: The Doctor

Permission to SQUEEEE!

Zvon Nov 09 2014 02:51 AM Re: The Doctor

Watching this for the second time. First off, this Master creeps me out. Big time. Secondly, if you're gonna kill people off, have some balls and keep em dead. Danny being able to fight his cyberness was one thing, but if the Brigadier can buck the program too, then why couldn't every Tom, Dick, and dead Harry who really loved someone be a little more assertive. That was pushing it. I think if they left his daughter dead it would have been more effective, but only in retrospect. Because I definitely thought she bought it and felt the intended menace that went with it. I was surprised they would have done that. Of course the poor geek girl also killed off had no one to somehow save her. I wasn't that surprised she was written off (didn't she die already?) and her demise is what made the Brigs daughters falling out all the more surprising. Master Poppins: creeeeepy. Missy being the mysterious phone lady (forgot all about that business) was pretty kool, and nice to see 11 again. Oh, the Cybermen flying. Pretty kool. So the world gives itself to the Doctor to defend, and then Missy gives him an army?...was that all just for that nice lil Doctor speech? Or to get the wrist band to Danny? Danny. Poor Danny. A great send off, but for some reason I wasn't all that emotionally involved. I guess cause he was relegated to being just a mope. Even when he died last week, I wasn't feeling it. Since it happened right at the start I knew there was more to Dannys story. I didn't really care. I found his future relative a more interesting character. Of course he is the strong human hero at the end (and then they had the Brig trump him) and it was a nice touch to come around again to the kid he killed. But having that back 2 back with the Brig catching his daughter was just too schmaltzy. And did the Brig kill the Master or did she transport away? The very end:Why wouldn't she tell the Doctor that Danny didn't come back? Danny did a very noble thing that was to be proud of and alladatshit. If that's all for Clara, Danny got a better send off. I hope I don't sound like I'm trashing the finale, I did very much enjoy it. The peek at the Christmas special was great. Ha, Santa. I thought it was Father Christmas or something like that over the pond.

Ceetar Nov 09 2014 09:50 AM Re: The Doctor

who was the kid at the end, the promise?

Zvon Nov 09 2014 01:53 PM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: who was the kid at the end, the promise? That was the child that Danny accidentally killed when he was a soldier. Last week he requested to meet Danny. Pink giving the kid his one way ticket back was a nice touch but somewhat diluted among all the other faux climaxes. If written well, acted well, with fully developed characters, that would have brought a tear to my eye. I was meant to. It didn't. Close but no cigar. It was written well enough. The acting was superb. Danny just wasn't a deep enough character to care all that much about. All I got from his storyline was don't text and walk.

Zvon Nov 09 2014 02:09 PM Re: The Doctor

Permission to SQUEEEE! Look at her face, lol. I like how she looked right at us as if to say:"Okay, we've all had enough of this guy". She really was great. And as I said, creeeeepy.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 09 2014 08:52 PM Re: The Doctor

I'll have to watch it again, but I found the last episode less than satisfying. The emotional arc of Clara & Danny and Clara & the Doctor was played out pretty well, and Missy was entertainingly psycho, but there just seemed to be a lot set up in the first part (and over the course of the season) that is unfinished. I'm also bummed that Osgood was killed, especially after teasing her as a future companion.

RealityChuck Nov 09 2014 09:04 PM Re: The Doctor

As I've mentioned, Michelle Gomez was in the comedy Green Wing and she was definitely channeling Sue White in her playing the master. Watch her here: [youtube]47zbDBbzQho[/youtube] [youtube]op3VWN5dEd0[/youtube] [youtube]q3WdbDjT7rQ[/youtube] In any case, I loved the episode and think it was the best one since "Blink." It worked just fine on all levels.

metsmarathon Nov 10 2014 08:10 AM Re: The Doctor

the end, with teh parting of the ways, was rather unsatisfying. i kept thinking "that's it? there has to be more" the story of clara and the doctor cannot end on such a flat note. besides, what of future pink? so, are the cracks in the wall the reason that there's not massive panic throughout the whole of the world at the reappearance of the cybermen, because shouldn't everyone remember when they came through the dimensional shifty thingy after pretending to be ghosts? surely the news casts would have mentioned the similarity between the metal dudes climbing out of all the graves and the metal dudes that appeared out of thin air a few years ago. or did we not see hte panic because everyone we saw was from UNIT? i'm still unclear on whether or not the events that all happened to the world in 10's reign were erased from history due to the cracks in time, or if it was just amy pond who couldn't remember them. or were they wiped when the universe was reset? or is eveyone in the world so blase about all the wierd alien shit happening of late that zombie cybermen doesn't phase them all too much? santa claus, eh? he's gotta be a time lord, right? i mean, that would explain so much, right?

Ceetar Nov 10 2014 08:30 AM Re: The Doctor

Zvon wrote: Ceetar wrote: who was the kid at the end, the promise? That was the child that Danny accidentally killed when he was a soldier. Last week he requested to meet Danny. Pink giving the kid his one way ticket back was a nice touch but somewhat diluted among all the other faux climaxes. If written well, acted well, with fully developed characters, that would have brought a tear to my eye. I was meant to. It didn't. Close but no cigar. It was written well enough. The acting was superb. Danny just wasn't a deep enough character to care all that much about. All I got from his storyline was don't text and walk. Ahh. That's sorta disappointing. Is Clara supposed to take care of him now? Ties back to her role of governess? I assume Clara's decision to not tell the Doctor was in some way her honoring Danny's wishes about running off with him. Maybe I'm just dense, but what was with Galifrey that made him so angry? and he hid that from Clara too right? Plus another allusion to the Doctor as a woman. "Maybe I'll be Queen"

seawolf17 Nov 10 2014 08:39 AM Re: The Doctor

metsmarathon wrote: santa claus, eh? he's gotta be a time lord, right? i mean, that would explain so much, right? My wife and I have had that discussion. It makes complete sense, on every level.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 10 2014 08:46 AM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: Maybe I'm just dense, but what was with Galifrey that made him so angry? and he hid that from Clara too right? Plus another allusion to the Doctor as a woman. "Maybe I'll be Queen" Gallifrey wasn't there. Missy lied. The Doctor lied about finding Gallifrey because he didn't want Clara to worry about him being alone, and thus be able to be happy staying on Earth with Danny. Except that Clara lied about Danny because she didn't want the Doctor to worry about her loss (it looked like she was about to tell the Doctor that Danny sent the Afghan boy back in instead, but the Doctor interrupted her assuming that she was going to say she was staying with Danny). Anyhow, it ends with them both telling "white lies" to spare the other one's feelings. It's kind of like O'Henry's "The Gift of the Magi" in that way.

Ceetar Nov 10 2014 09:20 AM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: Ceetar wrote: Maybe I'm just dense, but what was with Galifrey that made him so angry? and he hid that from Clara too right? Plus another allusion to the Doctor as a woman. "Maybe I'll be Queen" Gallifrey wasn't there. Missy lied. status quo then, he just seemed abnormally pissed off about it.

Zvon Nov 11 2014 03:57 PM Re: The Doctor

RealityChuck wrote: In any case, I loved the episode and think it was the best one since "Blink." It worked just fine on all levels. Very high praise. I can't agree. I mean, it was good, but not that good. I knew the gifs would start popping up. So did she transport out or get cybershot? metsmarathon wrote: the end, with teh parting of the ways, was rather unsatisfying. i kept thinking "that's it? there has to be more" the story of clara and the doctor cannot end on such a flat note. besides, what of future pink? so, are the cracks in the wall the reason that there's not massive panic throughout the whole of the world at the reappearance of the cybermen, because shouldn't everyone remember when they came through the dimensional shifty thingy after pretending to be ghosts? surely the news casts would have mentioned the similarity between the metal dudes climbing out of all the graves and the metal dudes that appeared out of thin air a few years ago. or did we not see hte panic because everyone we saw was from UNIT? i'm still unclear on whether or not the events that all happened to the world in 10's reign were erased from history due to the cracks in time, or if it was just amy pond who couldn't remember them. or were they wiped when the universe was reset? or is eveyone in the world so blase about all the wierd alien shit happening of late that zombie cybermen doesn't phase them all too much? santa claus, eh? he's gotta be a time lord, right? i mean, that would explain so much, right? They do that a lot in Who. Like with the forest that covered the planet. He says we'll forget. I don't think so. Kinda weak when they go that way. And then there are other times people clearly remember specific incidents from past Who adventures. I'd have to go back and see how the cracks in time would relate to current happenings. And that brings up something that I'm not enjoying with Doctor Who. These long periods between each series. It seems like this seasons shows just started and they are over until Christmas.

metsmarathon Nov 13 2014 10:05 PM Re: The Doctor

Novel theory: (and it may just be a lack of sleep talking) The osgood killed by missy was the zygon from the day of the doctor, still working for unit. Another novel theory... Slightly more loopy.... Osgood. She has a prettier sister that she's jealous of. That sister is Clara. Somewhere along the line she changed her name.

Mets – Willets Point Nov 13 2014 10:53 PM Re: The Doctor

I've seen someone else float the idea of Osgood's Zygon duplicate coming to work for UNIT. I'm not sure I get your second theory. Wouldn't Clara recognize Osgood when they met?

metsmarathon Nov 14 2014 07:26 AM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I've seen someone else float the idea of Osgood's Zygon duplicate coming to work for UNIT. I'm not sure I get your second theory. Wouldn't Clara recognize Osgood when they met? remember that i'm sleep deprived. and also netflixing doctor who late at night whilst washing entirely too many bottles for hungry little ­΅me's. i'm seeing a number of possible connections flying by fast and furious-like in my sleed-deprived mind, like in the one with the ghost where the doctor states that love is forever or somesuch. and in my degraded mental state, i've devised that somehow osgood is clara's sister, but clara somehow doesn't know she's her sister. possibly a half-sister she's never met, or scarceley met and therefore deosn't recognize. or perhaps she's her stepsister, and for reasons unknown they don't let on about it. perhaps clara disapproves of her father re-marrying, and therefore disapproves of her sister. i admit it may be a stretch too too far. but there's a lot of stretching going on. and it would tie in nicely to her doctor fascination.

Zvon Nov 14 2014 01:51 PM Re: The Doctor

metsmarathon wrote: Mets – Willets Point wrote: I've seen someone else float the idea of Osgood's Zygon duplicate coming to work for UNIT. I'm not sure I get your second theory. Wouldn't Clara recognize Osgood when they met? remember that i'm sleep deprived. and also netflixing doctor who late at night whilst washing entirely too many bottles for hungry little ­΅me's. i'm seeing a number of possible connections flying by fast and furious-like in my sleed-deprived mind, like in the one with the ghost where the doctor states that love is forever or somesuch. and in my degraded mental state, i've devised that somehow osgood is clara's sister, but clara somehow doesn't know she's her sister. possibly a half-sister she's never met, or scarceley met and therefore deosn't recognize. or perhaps she's her stepsister, and for reasons unknown they don't let on about it. perhaps clara disapproves of her father re-marrying, and therefore disapproves of her sister. i admit it may be a stretch too too far. but there's a lot of stretching going on. and it would tie in nicely to her doctor fascination. I'd try some Advil PM. That might cure that. I kid. Very interesting stuff and with Doctor Who, sometimes it pays to go out on that limb. You could be on to something, you never know. I think I know what Ceets wants for Christmas....... A buck fiddy for 18 cool brews. Easy to carry? Sure, it's got a handle. [url]https://www.bbcdoctorwhoshop.com/en/doctor-who-large-tardis-fridge?utm_source=social&utm_medium=dwfacebook&utm_campaign=largedtardisfridge

Ceetar Nov 14 2014 01:55 PM Re: The Doctor

please forward that to my wife. But It's not bigger on the inside. fail. I actually don't have much use for a cooler that size. Or maybe I do. Can probably fit a couple of bottles of milk and a few cans of beer for a trip to the beach.

Zvon Nov 14 2014 02:37 PM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: But It's not bigger on the inside. fail. Ha!

Zvon Nov 20 2014 05:27 PM Re: The Doctor

This is either a preview or a "Children In Need" special, maybe both. Makes the Christmas special look most interesting. There is a thing or two that could be considered spoilers if you want to watch the special with a blank slate. I personally didn't consider them spoilers. [youtube:3hdu8i7u]MsxEenCBRG0[/youtube:3hdu8i7u]

Ceetar Dec 26 2014 10:09 AM Re: The Doctor

really enjoyed the Christmas episode, even if for some reason I was anticipating a non-happy ending.

Zvon Dec 26 2014 11:49 AM Re: The Doctor

Vic Sage Dec 26 2014 02:14 PM Re: The Doctor

Ceetar wrote: really enjoyed the Christmas episode, even if for some reason I was anticipating a non-happy ending. The return of Jenna Coleman WAS a non-happy ending. They had done a nice job of ending her run; now, they've made that whole episode pointless. This is another disappointing episode from the current doctor/companion team, made even more disappointing in its role as the annual xmas episode.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 26 2014 05:27 PM Re: The Doctor

I'm not convinced that they're not still dreaming.

metsmarathon Dec 30 2014 08:32 PM Re: The Doctor

i was really expecting her to turn up pregnant at the end. and concur that they may still be dreaming. do they have any visible owies from where the dream crabs poked into their noggins?

Ceetar Dec 30 2014 08:41 PM Re: The Doctor

Mets – Willets Point wrote: I'm not convinced that they're not still dreaming.

Mets – Willets Point Dec 31 2014 07:27 AM Re: The Doctor

metsmarathon wrote: i was really expecting her to turn up pregnant at the end. and concur that they may still be dreaming. do they have any visible owies from where the dream crabs poked into their noggins? Watch as they wake up for real in the Series 9 finale. And then we see Clara is pregnant.

metsmarathon Dec 31 2014 07:35 AM Re: The Doctor

certainly possible. although i'm kinda hoping there's not another drawn out "pregnant but nobody really knows, and not really there, either" thing. one episode would be fine. a whole season long arc, less so. it would be interesting to see a pregnant companion. so much extra drama, tension, emotions, etc. maybe too much. i don't know how much stomach audiences might have for imperiled moms- and babies-to-be.

Zvon Dec 31 2014 12:47 PM Re: The Doctor

I wanted to see this one again before bringing this up. Wasn't Clara still hugging Santa and in the dream when it ended? I got the impression she wanted to stay in there and go join Danny Pink. On a side note I do not like how BBC-Amer cuts up these episodes.

Zvon Dec 31 2014 05:06 PM Re: The Doctor

Watching the Xmas ep again. Girl: Reindeer can't fly. Santa: Of course not, it's a scientific impossibility. That's why I feed them....magic carrots.

Zvon Dec 31 2014 06:08 PM Re: The Doctor

So I recalled the end out of order. How Whoish. Could still be in a dream. The ending was kinda sudden. How many times have we said G-bye to Clara, just to see her return, and how many times have we seen Pink die?